‘HE DESERVES HIS F*** YOU MOMENT | SPECIAL GUEST SAM JONES – TALK SMART WITH PUGH & McCART EP:30

Andrew McCart & Joe Pugh, with special guest for this weeks podcast, Mr Sam Jones himself discuss the much anticipated rematch between Josh Taylor & Jack Catterall

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Voices Awards categories IFL pod avail able across all major streaming platforms now welcome to episode 30 I think it’s 30 or 31 of talks smart with PE and M that’s Joe Pew I’m Andrew mot and I’m delighted that we finally have a guest on this podcast and it’s

None other than Mr Sam Jones himself the numbers are going to be astronomical this time I’m excited you you’re scraping the barrel with me I I heard a rumor that you’ve asked so many people they’ve all turned you down you just you’ve just got me because I’m reliable I’m reliable I’ve

Dropped what I was doing in a chaos set I’m in at the moment and i’ I’ve come on here for for specifically for for you Andrew Andrew you’re not that reliable Sam you it’s about 20 minutes later than you said you was gonna be a it I never agree to a

Time I said I’d come on I said I’d come on but you never told me what time it kept changing but have three just no any it doesn’t matter anyway Sam the reason we got you on obviously there was a little bit of U not the back and forth again ignited

With Josh and Jack I will touch on that but I always want to get we always on this podcast talk about the weekend’s fights and we break them down now let’s just jump straight into it I’ll ask you straight directly Sam Jones Tas jonius M Maya the right go one

Um you see I watched it I watched it last night and I wasn’t scoring it I wasn’t scoring the fight but if you’re mcaa mayor you’re feeling hard done by do you understand what I mean I thought they were going to give it a draw personally um I thought it was a

Fantastic fight a really really like top level fight I thought it was brilliant um but I thought they were going to give it to Michael La Maya if I’m honest but like like I said like swear on my life I wasn’t scoring the fight so I wasn’t like oh this she but I

Thought I thought it was close fight I really did I thought that like if you give it to Tasha then you give it to Tasha I don’t think it was a robbery like what I’m seeing but like if you’re Michaela mayor today you’re you’re you’re gutted aren’t you you’re

Absolutely gutted and you feel very hard done by I think the right thing to do there is to run it back the thing is when you said run it back sort the question was posed to Tas at the post fight press conference but she seems to

She said that there’s only one belt that she doesn’t have on her mantle piece and it is the WBA and Jessica Masco now it seems like she’s she doesn’t really want that rematch she’s aiming for the other belt that she doesn’t have no you wouldn’t want Andrew you wouldn’t you’re

Not really going to want to do that because Masco is an easier fight for for Natasha Jonas and like if you if you’re managing Natasha Jonas you’re probably going to push her towards the MLL fight which is fair enough I’m just saying it

As a fan as a fan I would like to see the fight again with Michaela again but if you’re if I’m managing Natasha you’re probably going to mea do the uh the mill fight but I still think they slipped up um and not and I’ve told Tasha this I

Think I think a lot of Natasha Jonas she’s a amazing person um but I thought that she should have boxed Harry Harper I thought the fight was there to be had it was for Undisputed as well at the time and um I thought that was the fight to

Make so you never know what Joe Gallagher manages I don’t know what they’re going to do to be honest with you but um Natasha deserves to do what she wants anyway she’s achieved everything there is in boxing now she’s a a a special special woman she’s done

So much for for boxing she does a lot for her community um unbelievable but um yeah I think that she will probably fight masu thing is well there was K Taylor like that that history they have in 2012 and all that she’s not gonna get that fight

Yeah that’s what I was going to say that fight even though Joe gag you go there Sam sorry no I was just saying she’s not going to get that fight it’s not what talking about Katy Taylor is either gonna fight Shantel Cameron next or she’s gonna fight Amanda Serrano simple as that

She’s moved to far up in weight now to come back down to I think to I think so as well I I I I agree I agree Joe I think she’s moved a bit too high wa now to to boil herself that down to to one point and Katy Taylor is definitely not

Going to make to jump up that far and box Natasha because listen in every fight Katy Taylor’s in whether anybody likes it or not she’s the aide Win Lose or drop she is the aide so yeah there’ll be none of that I don’t believe that fight is gonna happen I just think that

Was probably Joe Gallagher getting a bit excited after the fight and thinking yeah let’s run it back and let’s do this but it’s not going to happen Jord did you watch the I know you were at the Misfits card and leads did have you managed to even catch up on anything on

On the Tas Jones Michael last night yeah I’ve watched the highlights I haven’t watched the whole fight in its entirety I’ll admit but from what I’ve seen it looked like a great fight and when they did engage I was shocked to be honest by how much they did engage

Because we know Michaela mayor she slick boxing and at times I thought from what I saw she kind of got bought into Jonas’s game but it looks like mayor for the most part did control what she could well I know you were out the misfit so

Yeah do you ever think that that is it Ellie elbrook that could she come and step into a knockout what knockout that good I don’t really I didn’t watch I don’t I think the last Misfits car box was Fury against the KSI when when KSI was giving it all the this

Um so yeah I’m not watching his but I saw the replay of el Brook knock AJ bunkers out of a trainers what a shot that was by the way she set Credit Credit where is right she set the shot up well as well if you watch it

Back Andre she set the right hand bang what a honestly tremendous I know I know you’re not the biggest fan of miit but there’s another knockout on that card and I promise you now it might just a tiny bit tiny bit make you want to watch one fight maybe

You got to look at this guy called fock the G right he’s some 18 year old kid that people thought was going to get sparked out in about 30 seconds and he put a peach of a shot out the guy was this the other guy was out for five

Minutes luckily he was all right but it was I watch it I do like seeing big brutal knockers my problem probably with Sam’s problem Misfits is the mismatches are so I know you can see there’s no really guy on how good these guys are so it could be a mismatch that’s my problem

I I don’t have a problem don’t get me wrong Joe don’t get me wrong I don’t have a problem with MES at all at the beginning I was like oh this is’s not good but timately I just look at mfit like it’s a different sport like it’s

Just WWE that’s that’s how I I how I look at it like it’s a bit like it’s it’s listen they are 100% scrapping but it’s not it isn’t boxing it’s not boxing and when you get that out of your heads and think it’s not boxing it’s another

Form of like the Zone take a lot of stick with Misfit but does own have the a they have aew now the wrestling I’m sure they do they have I might be wrong I don’t know but they have they have like other forms of entertainment on me app right yeah so

Just look at it as another form of entertainment it’s not boxing and it stays over there that’s just how I look at that’s prob where my mind that’s where my mind probably doesn’t really you have to get your mind like that you have to because then because you’re

Listen Andrew you you boxed yourself and you’ve been you you you you live and breath the sport you’re a coach now you so you’re very boxing boxing this isn’t boxing this shouldn’t be but when you kind separate it and think that’s that this is this is it and once you do that

You kind of you would enjoy it more and but I didn’t watch it but I watched El Brook’s knockout and it was an absolute Peach who would you fight missfits who would you fight on missfits Billy Nelson all day all day all day let’s

Go I reck my dad Le and knock you out mate what’ you say I reckon Le eat knocked you out I’d let le e knocked me out anyway I love le e yeah I know that’s actually a good fight you and Le by the way Lee’s

Put in work I’ve seen him training he’s doing 5K yeah Le listen Lee no Lee I would let I promise you right even if Lee could chin me in a fight I’d let him I’d let him whack me I I couldn’t I could never hit Lee I could never hit

Him why take a DI I think everyone Le I think I think everybody can hit Lee do you remember when Richard latte got hit with that shot from Fabio wardley do you remember yeah yeah do you remember what I’m talking about that’s what I I’d let Lee just land a little clipping right

And just like do a do a a Michael Jackson on Smooth Criminal but just hit the deck you Billy Nelson are you leing man that that that that would be good on a Misfits I scra Billy Nelson on Misfits no problem no problem no problem I’m seeing Billy Nelson on Monday tomorrow

So I I’ll let him know you said that and let’s take a hard segue to some again boxing my side of the the the sort of Street um yeah done a good long lengthy interview with Josh Taylor Sam I don’t know if if you saw it I will talk about

The negotiations and Jack but he did say to me that I said to him because you asked he’s gonna he says he’s gonna um Kick Me in the knackers kick you in the knackers I said listen don’t hit Sam in the face Josh hit him in the body and he

Said I’ll give my swift kick to the boss so yeah response to that yeah listen if if if if Josh wants to do that not a not a problem just let’s get the fight I I I’ll let him I’ll let him do it just just get let’s get the fight I’m

So listen Andrew I’m so sick to death of talking about this fight genu you and me I’ll talk all day every day about boxing about fights but I swear to you I’m genuinely bored of talking about this fight everybody wants to see it even Josh now knows he has to fight Jack Jack

Wants to punch Josh’s head in Jos I’m sure wants the punch Jack’s head they need to settle it it is one of the biggest fights you can make in British boxing right now and that’s just a fact genuine disdain for one another but what what what I said what I got from Josh

Was again he does want the fight does even off camera we driving to get some lunch together he said listen Andrew all right calm down Andy calm down mate you don’t know’s my mate calm down he paid for it he paid for it so it was nice did

He did he of course he oh so you’re taking bribes now Andy is that how it is moving you over like and’s like that I always like I doen I’ve done a few things for Andy but I know he’s off camera telling Josh yeah yeah make sure

You get him in the knockers yeah he’s yeah 100% like ring him up on me like you can even ask you can even ask Josh when you see him if I’ve said anything bad about you I’ve called you a prick once gonna be walk cup I don’t think

Josh will really want to sit there and exchange conversation with me but let’s you never know listen we’ve seen guys like uh what G Ward be friends with later years Haggler Hearns and Leonard and Jan all then beef pal late I don’t think I don’t think they’re GNA be

Sending each other Moon pigs P Moon Pig cards very at all Andy genuinely Al all jokes aside I can’t stress to you enough they genuinely genuinely hate each other I’ve been around Jack and I’ve been around Josh and I’ve been around yourself and uh yeah I know the disdain

That they have for each other but I you it seemed like Jack on the cougan interview said that it was sign steal and delivered but Josh has said have yet to sign so where are we it what listen what Jack meant was is that Jack has

Agreed his side of the deal to fight Josh right right he’s agreed it he’s agreed it like so as far as he was concerned it’s done but a few things have changed but ultimately we have agreed terms to to fight Josh next I talk to Josh’s lawyer Tom Granite right

And we’ve effectively I won’t disclose it on here yet but we’ve effectively agreed terms to the fight when it comes to waight and where we think the fight should being where is fair and there’s not a problem there there isn’t a problem there I get on great with Josh’s

Lawyer so we well I think we do might change if we were if we if we’re at opposite sides of a press conference but we we get on fine we get we get on fine and um it’s just down to it’s just down to the the promoter now Andy I’ve got to

Be honest it’s down to the promoter now to to to get it to get it sorted Ed yeah it’s down it’s down to Eddie that’s Jack’s promoter so yeah it’s down to Eddie to to get the to get the fight done which I’m sure he will do because

If you look at the fights that are this and that that are being talked about definitely for this country because look Jackal I know Josh mentioned that he would prefer to not fight in Saudi Arabia against Jack but listen Jack will fight Josh Anywhere But ultimately um we’d rather have the fight

Happen than not happen and the reason why it would even ever happen in Saudi Arabia is because Josh wants a lot of money Josh wants too much money do you understand so it’s his fault anyway um but look um like when I say you look at the schedule what the potential fights

Have there’s not a better fight than Jack against Josh I agree but I’ll get I’ll bring Joe in at this because Joe you’re an outsider in this because me and Sam we’re quite Sam’s obviously closer to Jack I’m closer to Josh I like Jack I’m sure Sam does like Josh in some

Way um so we we I respect Josh there’s a difference I respect Josh and I respect his achievements I just think the way he handled his uh his winash defeat was ridiculous but I’ve never once talked down about what he’s achieved in boxing I think he’s a I think he’s a British

Boxing he will go down as a as as a great when he retires but right now all he’s known for is getting whooped by [ __ ] catell and getting a gift decision that’s just a fact I know he doesn’t like me saying that but I will always respect Josh’s achievements and

Accolades because it can’t be disputed what he’s achieved but anyway definitely like I said you’re the outsider in this um you you’re looking from the outside in and all this sort of stuff how excited are you for this rematch if it does happen or when it does happen and

Yeah just uh your thoughts on whether it should be in Saudi or the UK well you’d want it to be in the UK but you’d rather it be in and the fight not happen at all correct like that that that goes for any fight at the minute we’re seeing so many

Great fights being made and at the end of the day kind of stop complaining that they’re inside and kind of be grateful that we actually seen them because you seen them on a Telly we’re actually getting the fight so hopefully we do get it but question to you Sam if for

Whatever reason the fight doesn’t happen would you feel like you’ve fouled a little bit because I know how much you want that fight no it’s not that I’ve failed because you can’t if you do everything physically possible like I’ll be honest with you I’ve worked my balls

Off to try and get this fight sorted um for Jack but I know you Josh can take this as patronizingly as he wants but I’m doing it for him as well I’m doing it for him as well and Andrew can can come off camera and I know he’s like

He’s kind of thinking inside what’s he talk but Andrew knows what I’m talking about Josh Taylor this fight if Josh Beats back yeah Josh Taylor deserves his moment his [ __ ] you moment right that’s me talking as a as a as a forget me being Jack’s manag that’s being a

Neutral if Jack catell well when Jack catell beats Josh Taylor he deserves his moment because it’s all all these fans the might there’s some fans that will say oh Jack you need to get over your imagine you’re Jack catell right you’ve worked your whole life getting to that

Point to an Undisputed that that level and Jack should have won that fight and everybody knows it and and then that’s fine you you you you you get on with it you you didn’t get it but imagine every day of his life every day I get it and

I’m irrelevant but Jack Jack gets start oh when you fighting Josh G you need such a it was one of the worst the worst decision in boxing history but Josh with all the belts that he’s won he’s done all this stuff in boxing you four belt

Champion right in the four belt I think it was the first brick since Lennox Lewis to do it I believe I don’t Andy will have to tell me the the uh the actual facts on that cuz obviously with him being a Josh Taylor Fanboy he will

Tell you that but he’s known for getting a gift decision against Jack K and I think that’s unfair on Josh and his career the fight needs happen and it needs happening right now so I’ve done it I’ve pushed or I’ve pushed and I’ve pushed and I’ve fought to get this fight

For both of them so I’m doing a favor for Josh maybe for a lot of fans as well because you go on that Twitter it seems like a fair few fans are B of the back and forth because it seems to be the same thing that they’re reiterating and

Bringing back into the into play if you look yeah correct correct it’s almost like guys we’re not we don’t want to we want to see this settled now like but if you look at the numbers some of the back and force were getting yesterday the numbers up are insane so the fight it’s

A huge fight it is a huge huge fight because this is what as British boxing fans right I don’t know about any fans all over there but British boxing fans we love well I do we love domestic dust UPS especially domestic dust UPS where there’s genuine hatred for one

Another we need to we need to see the fight it needs to happen for both of their sakes to move forward in their careers outside the heavyweights is this the biggest domestic fight that can be made you you’d have to say Eubank Ben but are we ever going to see that fight

But outside of the Eubank Ben um EU Bank Ben Fury but Fury AJ let’s let’s be truthful with ourselves while we’re here AJ is never fighting in the UK ever again s money he’s not nor nor Tyson Fury they’re not fighting in the UK ever

Again so we all need to remove our heads out of our asses and realize that they’re not going to fight in the UK again and why would you when they’re getting paid that much I don’t ever be good boxing as you know Andy you will one is the hardest sport in the world

When you’re getting whacked in the head you should maximize your earnings potential and fans need to do need to realize that when it comes to boxes the camps to go through the time they spend away from their families to to graft to make weight you need rewarding finally

It’s so hard to to tell those guys oh come back to the UK and take a 70% pay cut to to take fights so those fights aren’t but some fights should we we still want to see big fights in the UK because we’re we’re we’re we’re fans of

The sport you I mean otherwise we’re going to be always but like Joe just said there we’d rather fights happen in Saudi than not than not at all but do I think that a that Jackie and Josh is is a bigger fight in the UK

Of course it is of course it is there’s no F out there that has this beef or this animosity I don’t think what I’m trying to say Andy even Eubank Ben Eubank Ben does not have the animosity that these two have for each other and EU Bank Ben um sorry Josh T against

Catel is a higher level fight I’m not saying a bigger fight because commercially it probably isn’t because Eubank Ben of the names and and and is but at fight levelwise this was a this is a rematch of an Undisputed championship this is a very high level rematch between two fantastic

Fighters so that’s just that’s my opinion of it but when it comes to Saudi I I love the fact that Saudis are involved because Fighters are getting paid what they deserve in my opinion they the fighters deserve getting paid a lot of money and turkey alash needs a

Lot of um credit for for delivering that for for for the fight fans and for the fighters because it’s what we’ve needed look it’s brought Frank Warren and Eddie together whoever who on Earth would we have would in what world would we have if we look back a year ago and all those

IFL interviews that you that you we’ve seen of he’s a [ __ ] he’s a green tea boy he’s a he’s a he’s a [ __ ] bag that they’re now together in a room making fights that’s great for boxing it’s great for boxing we still have to remember we can’t neglect the the fights

We can make over here yeah that’s what that’s what I’ll say about it I agree with that Sam and I think me and Joe spoke about this last week when it was announced that we’ll probably end on this segment here um is this match room versus Queensbury five versus 5 and I

Know that me and Joe said last week that we like the idea of this but yeah I just want to get your thoughts on this sort of uh this New Concept now where turkey Al Shake is Excellency has came out and said that he wants a Warren versus ER

Hearn fight card I like it I think Joel likes it as well and uh where you sit on it what’s becoming very very obvious is that turkey alet is obviously a huge boxing fan and he’s kind of sitting there doing kind of football manager he’s control like he’s controlling it on

His on his on his think y I like this I like that this is what the boxing fans like the the the your your di old boxing fans have been wanting for years Frank versus Eddie his side versus it’s like war games in uh in WWE it’s great it’s

Great let’s see see and neither guys is going to want to lose aren’t they because they’re both got enormous egos so they’re not going to want to lose so I’m I’m really looking forward to that I will probably fly over and watch that whoever’s on the card I’d like to get

Mark Dickson on that Mark Dickson what you say I’d like to put Mark fighting’s coming to RI whoever Nathan Heeney Nathan heene was whoever I put Cameron vong what were 135 as as Frank got wait which Jo you think of anyone I don’t think he’s got any has he

He’s got many I like the PS Lady D Smith he’s got he’s got Sam no he’s got um yeah Sam Sam a bit maybe what what you say Andy Sam NOS maybe a little bit too ahead of young Cameron vong just now are you that confident in the maybe

Maybe maybe in fights but I’d put Cameron vong in against anybody at 1335 like domestically I in Cameron vong’s a talent Sam I’m I’m gonna agree with you on that he’s a special special kid um but Cameron’s Cameron’s special kid but yeah I’d get Cameron involved in that in

A heartbeat they should do a prospect versus prospect on that show next gen you can headline it listen right you could headline it against um I don’t know C Smith against Anthony yard yeah that’s the headline then you have Nick ball against Josh Warrington then you have or lee wood

Then you have hamon vong against one of their prospects then you have Hamza shiras against Felix cash some something like that you could that’s the that’s the the way I would look at it but I don’t think you will see like it’s not gonna be Tyson Fury against AJ I think

It’s going to be more yeah yeah I I agree listen Sam I don’t know if Joe’s got anything else you would like as you Jo you’re just arrived home just now so yeah I’ve just arrived back from lead got a nice little lift um yeah better than getting on the train so

Uh did you you yeah yeah luckily I got uh that hand down the and one very quickly last one then uh quick prediction drn Ryder versus ha M this weekend I literally don’t know the I don’t I think John Ryan is capable it h is going to be made a big favorite but

John Ryder can pull it off but I don’t know I can’t call the I’ve not watched enough of ha mongia to kind of give I’ve watched I’ve watched one of one or two of his fights but I’ve not really studied ha Monga that much I think he’s really not been the best promoted

Fighter if I’m honest with you I think if you look at his CV I don’t really there’s not many names he’s really really boxed so you can’t really I don’t know honestly usually you know I don’t give a [ __ ] about predicting boxes I get some right I get some wrong I got Zack

Kelly right yesterday I thought he was going to beat Colin and he um but no I don’t know the answer that question I’m sitting on the fence for that one well no doubt me me and Joel will be discussing that next week at some point

If we can get another guest on I quite like this idea of having someday on but Len Sam you’ve got the ACT absolute honor of being the first guest on this podcast so you should take that I’ve just given your podcast some Viagra haven’t I on a Sunday afternoon is after

Still afternoon I don’t know what time it is I’ve been that’s what happens when you have babies long day that’s what happens when you have babies Andrew oh Andrew honestly it’s uh young Jo’s looking I’m not having any kids trust me Joel it’s hard work son he’s only he’s only 12

Himself yeah how old are you Jo I haven’t even H puberty yet mate how old are you draw 20 you 17 20 you are not 20 you get ID for paracore yeah I actually do as well I actually do facts facts I actually do I

Have to take me passport in if I want a red bll I wish I had that problem I don’t have that problem anymore I don’t have that problem and your beard goes as gray as mine Sam that’s when you you won’t have a problem yeah worse as well and people

Get he dies his beard you’ve not look obviously analyze my hair my I’ve got so many gray hairs it’s ridiculous well that’s why I’ve got a little bit of a shadow going on try to make my beard look a little bit blacker than what it

Is but mine’s as it comes man but anyway Sam I do appreciate your time time on this Sunday morning Jo as always pleasure speaking to your young man and uh I’ll catch you next week Joe and Sam keep in touch brother we’ll speak on the next one take care mate see you later

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