Golf is better with Tiger around!
That’s just a fact and this week Ryan and Mike discuss the PNC Championship with Charlie and Tiger ultimately coming in 5th. We get into the whispers of Tiger leaving Nike…does he sign with Mike’s favorite clothing company? Will he create his own? We shall see!!!
This weeks guest is Golf Course Landscape Painter Jennipher Satterly. Jen is a New Jersey Gal through and through with a long golfing history and classical painting background. These skills blend together into this unique profession. Such a cool perspective and insight from the Monet of the fairway!!!!
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On drop pod people how we doing out there uh hope you had a good week this week want to give you a little recap of what uh what we got going on before we get into the episode today’s Wednesday yesterday Tuesday uh episode two TPI Tuesday came out make sure you go check
That out that’s a uh a YouTube vehicle uh so head over to our YouTube channel the drop golf podcast uh go check that out um again I’m working with Dr Mike it’s going to be all winter um helping me with flexibility Mobility all that kind of stuff uh so go check out that
Video we’re we’re put it out to you there um and we got this episode coming out on Wednesday here um Wednesday the 20th uh that’s really all we got this week guys we got Christmas coming up uh it’s kind of the dead of winter here we’re
We’re a little dry this time of year but um we’re g as far as like our content goes as far as uh you know the stuff that we’ve done all year um you know it’s tough to get out to the golf course in the Northeast here uh this time of
Year so not a whole lot going on uh but again um head over to head over to the YouTube channel check out the TPI Tuesday uh and you can go check out all the other videos go do some scrolling uh we have stuff out from all year last
Week I also put out um three with me at Union League so you can check that video out I thought that was a great video by the way I do want to say if you did not head over to the YouTube channel and check that out like I really didn’t know
What I was going to see when I watch that because I see all the Ryan verses and the Mike verses and I know how they typically go you make a double bogey I make a par that’s kind of how all these will go yes
Um but I was kind of curious to see how you put your voice into that because I really I know I videoed them and I know I was standing in some freaking tough tough spots but I didn’t know how you got your voice to get on that video and
Listen I’ll tell you one thing that stood out so much to me in that video was the sky on the second or third hole where you drove the third hole that third hole that drive the sky was all blue the wers there and then you pipe that down the
Middle yeah bro that was a great great drive with a great picture great everything I don’t know I looked at that I probably rewound that a couple times because I just thought that that little part of it was so good yeah I I I wish that there was like a camera crew
Recording you during that because because as you said like you were standing on that on that t box you were standing like on the backside of a dune and and another foot you’re falling off or if you slipped you’re done for so it was the same thing on the second hole
When you hit that drive into the right roof I’m like basically in a little creek standing there like Rod just hit the ball that’s go just the so uh so yeah I I did keep it kind of a secret for you um as to what I was doing and
And I I’ll be honest I’m glad you liked it because I didn’t know what was GNA be the result of it either um so I’m I’m glad it came out you know uh well I’m glad you like came out really well I did because I’ll be honest when you told me
The idea when we came there that day it was like oh I kind of like that three with me that’s a it it Rhymes it rolls right off your tongue it was cool I didn’t know I was filming was orig nine with Ry yeah it was and that was that was a
Disaster yeah and then when you said to me on the very very first all at Union League we’re like dying to get out there we’re there we’re like so we got the course ourselves like yeah I’m going to start on the first hole I’m like we’re we’re videoing right right out of the
Shoot like right out the you’re like yeah we’re going to video this I’m like oh my God here we go but yeah listen I thought it was really cool so listen I I know Ryan says it a lot but like go subscribe to the YouTube channel the drop golf podcast
You know I I know that you know those numbers can obviously go up with the amount of followers that we have here on Spotify Apple podcast Instagram um so go click that little subscribe button yeah so uh so that that was that was a blast and and again maybe a little
Overzealous there but um but yeah I’m glad uh I was very happy with with the final product and and looking forward to making most you know I I think three with me is going to be something that we can do um I I think it’s a it’s a bigger
Undertaking than the Ryan verses for sure but but I I think that’s something that we’re gonna going into 2024 I think that’s something that we’re going to do do a lot more of yeah I just asked that we don’t start on the very first H yeah
Again that so um let’s let let’s get loosed up a little bit let’s let’s you know put some oil a little bit in that in those tires let’s get that you know nobody would like that more than me cuz how I I I hit all of 2023 I hit four
Balls left and and in the entire year and obviously the first one on the first te is the one that goes left so uh yeah it was uh again a little little overzealous I didn’t know how how difficult that would be recorded but the idea was to record nine holes so to do
The front nine but um but that that’s too much of an undertaking it’s no but I do think I do think the three with me I think a it it rolls the tongue phenomenal I said and I think B it’s like it’s a different thing it’s not the
Same thing that you and I have done it’s not Ryan verse or Mike verse where really just pick a hole it adds a different layer to kind of like this whole podcast idea of what we’ve been doing like not only are we doing this every single week and getting episode
Out after episode with amazing guest and amazing guest but you’re able to add this creative layer to it that it’s not just you and I having these conversations about Hot Topics or New Jersey guests but you’re able to add this different type of content that no
Offense is helpful to us and and I think again that that’s I think that was really good and and I commend you for that thank you uh so uh hopefully something we’ll be we’ll be doing a lot more of so again go over the YouTube page the drop golf
Podcast and uh and give that give that a watch I do also think you know let’s let’s uh Mike let’s lift up the curtain here and show it to him a little bit the we’ve kind of figured out that like the the Ryan verse Mike verse those can be
Um in in doing our research and kind of understanding social media a little bit more those if we keep those to a certain time frame those can go on the reals or the YouTube shorts and they can get more eyes that way which is what we’re which
Is what we’re trying to do but obviously three with me at you know at best case scenario it’s it’s a par three and two par fours so you’re still talking uh 11 shots at at best case scenario uh I’ll go ahead and say 12 even if I go par par
Par but uh that that’s not that’s not going to be in it that’s not going to fit into that YouTube reel or the or the Instagram reel or the YouTube short so so those are going to be more of like um more of like a a
Filmy sort of sort of vehicle which is which is what you is four so uh so that’s why we keep pushing it there to to go there and the same thing with TPI Tuesdays again um you know a physical therapy session doing TPI stuff that’s
An hour hour plus um of a of a session with Dr Mike so it’s tough to squeeze an hour into you know a minute you know down to a minute so uh again a little more I don’t I don’t know if cinematography is the right word but like a little more uh
Um a little more a little more editing and a little bit more of of a watching you know yeah so listen like anything I think it’s it just it’s platforms that we’re looking to to grow the audience to get out there to to continue to Showcase
You know all the good things that we’re doing and all all the you know the guests on the content so it’s just another another area for people to consume us yeah um kind of in that regard as we’re talking about not having a lot going on
Where we just have two things coming out this week uh if you guys have anything for us uh shoot us an email the drop golf podcast gmail.com um shoot us a from the gram standand you got questions you got you got you know a comment to make or a
Point to make or um you know something that you think would be good for us to discuss here uh again you know a question would be nice but it could just be a thought uh shoot it out to us again the drop golf podcast gmail.com and and we’ll we’ll filter
Through them and we’ll we’ll take some and we’ll we’ll do some talking about it but uh but yeah it’s a this is a good time of year for that because again it’s it’s slow Christmas is coming and uh and well we’ll see what we got yeah I mean
Listen if you think about last time when Pat from Sussex County sent us that question about you know would you rather be an elite amateur or mid-level Pro like you and I we we must have talked about that for 15 20 minutes so I mean
Like when we have I know so when we have the opportunity like this downtime especially golfing here in the Garden State with it being so dry like these are a great opportunity for for the audience to shoot us some things to us to digest to to debate talk about and
And add our input because I mean now that everything going on in the golf world whether it’s you know tiger this week at the PNC or if it’s Liv or now it’s you know these these NFL owners now looking to buy a piece of the PGA Tour
Um with their little group or it’s Liv and Rah like whatever the case is like you know these are things that like it’s our way to connect with you the audience so again far those are way I I love seeing them I love debating them and I especially love it when we’re on
Different sides yeah I do think uh Mike we’re very similar in a lot of ways and in in some ways we’re vastly different um I mean again take away the the short tall ugly handsome uh part of it but um and I won’t say which one’s
Which in that second one but uh we we know we know it’s okay uh I I do think that sometimes sometimes when when we do get asked those or when we do you know even off camera right you and I talk about stuff and it’s like yeah 100% that’s how we
See it or or you know when we see it the same way um it it is more fun when we go opposite ways and it’s uh and kind of go the other way there no doubt so again shoot us emails from the grandstand the drop golf podcast at
Gmail.com so I mean go ahead we got to be talking about tiger in the PNC so yeah we’re let let’s get there but I did want to ask I did want to shoot this out before we did um okay so guys over Christmas break uh I’m heading down to Myrtle
Beach um going to visit my mom down there uh if anyone coming too well sticks are always coming when I go down there that’s the reason I’m going down um oh I thought I was to see your mom such a you know you know what I know
You’re going to go see Mom and now we mom mama aula I know you listen I know there’s times you peek in we might need to send you this clip so actually uh I I’ve always give my mom like a jokingly hard time she’s not a big podcast person
So I don’t know if I officially don’t know if she’s ever listened to an episode uh before last week she might have like tried it or whatever but like so I told her I said mom we talked about you on on the podcast this week you should give it
A listen so she gave it a listen last week and she’s like oh she did she gave it a a full listen she listened a whole episode last week so um so yeah maybe maybe we’ll send her this clip but anyway uh yes it’s to it’s to get away
It’s to see Mom you know mom’s doing the the snowbird thing kind of up in New Jersey for part of the year and then down South for another part um so I’m going down I do have some things lined up uh it is actually Mama kot’s birthday
That week so I’ll be there for her birthday birth thank you uh I’ll let I’ll let her know um she’s got to be older than 38 because that’s how old I am so uh gotcha um she looks 21 yes that’s it so she uh so I guess I should
Now that I’m thinking about it I got to get her something still too but uh the uh if there’s any if you guys got any suggestions or if anyone’s down there and is like hey I got a tea time and need somebody uh shoot it out to us
Let me know um I I’m looking to play I’m looking for stuff to do so um if you got suggestions in the Myrtle Beach area or or any connection I’m certainly looking to uh looking to play I got some things lined up but uh but again open to open them more stuff
So so hit me up or hit us up so I did just want to make that little PSA there Mike before we got into tiger uh and the PNC Championship my first thoughts you ready Charlie Woods is yoked up right now I mean did you see the picture of of
Uh anuka and her son tiger and her son and the split screen of it like the 2022 the 2023 oh my God I mean Charlie looks like a different human being he’s mature there ain’t no question about that so how I mean I guess we could look this up pretty
Quickly but how old is Charlie do you know off the top he’s got well he’s a freshman in high school so what he’s got to be 14 years old 14 15 be my no 15’s too old he’s got to be 14 okay that’d be my guess because when I think about it
You know I he’s a freshman in high school typically most freshmen are 14 you know you typically get your license at 17 so you’re either a junior or senior year so my guess is he’s 14 and I’m almost 100% certain I’d probably take that to the bank knowing how much I
Know about the Tiger Woods family I would I would think so as well um because he definitely ain’t you know freshman year is like 13 14 145 156 yeah 16 17 so um I think I I I I was blown away when I saw how how much he looks like a man I
Mean the growth from last year to this year is is absolutely stunning uh and then you know we don’t know you know we’re recording this on Sunday so we don’t know how it finished up today but uh had some work to do after day one which leads me to believe that like the
Other guys are really playing some golf I Know M coer and his son is were so good we’re so good so I mean it’s hard I mean again like you said who knows what happens at the end of today and things like that but you know I think when you wa I mean
I I can’t lie I watched a lot of Saturday I did and again the things that stood out to me were a couple things Tiger’s walk is unreal I’m telling you what I know I said this week’s go to you to make the bet but I’m telling you if
He continues to just get rid is some of this rust here and there the dude’s going to contend in in a in Augusta in April I’m telling you his walk looks unreal the other thing I thought was really cool about the week is how Sam was on his bag the fact that his
Daughter is included in the event is is I think it kind of shows where Tiger’s at because we all know growing up in the in with tiger in the early late 90s early 2000s he was so you know narrow-minded single focused it was golf it was golf
It was golf like there was times you would see randomly a picture of his family and then obviously all his transgressions you know happened and things went sour for a while okay um and then all his his addictions and whatnot but I think in a sense Tiger’s life has
Come full circle to where he’s able to now be a dad to be a you know a a Family Guy watch his kids grow up and to get Sam included in this event um I thought was so cool cool was so cool I I just thought that added a nice little twist
To it and then the last thing I say about the event is I loved how when the rumors are circulating that tiger and Nike are done that after this year the the contract expires December 31st and that they don’t know what’s going to happen next because there’s been a lot
Of Rumblings about how Nike it’s Nike can’t come up with a shoe for Tiger to wear and since he’s come back he’s been wearing foot Joys and how can Nike all they do is make shoes can’t put a golf shoe together for the best golfer ever it’s mindboggling and
Then there’s rumors circulating that a he’s either going to come out with his own brand and if there’s anybody that would get people to buy their Golf Stuff it’d be Tiger Woods right or I and I and I’m gonna love saying this because I can’t wait to see your
Reaction have you noticed the brand that Charlie’s been wearing all week no I don’t I haven’t he’s been wearing okay so if you’ve looked on the neck of his jackets he’s been wearing it says Grayson and there’s rumors circulating that tiger is about to potentially maybe join Grayson as his next clothing
Apparel and if you don’t know do you know his other buddy Justin Thomas do you know what brand he wears Grayson Grayson so we can maybe Connect the Dots here a little bit I’m just saying how when you saw that you you went you went Forgetting Sarah
Marshall you went there’s no way you didn’t go six to midnight so it’s I feel like it’s one of those things that I and I know I know that maybe I just talk a lot and people are like tone me out and don’t listen to me but I feel like when
There’s something really good out there and I and I like it I’m like I’m telling you it’s good stuff it’s good stuff and I’m telling you if jumps on it I mean now people listen a Frank symbol can we get a yeah now people yeah exactly now people say well even though
Mike’s been harping on Grayson for 64 episodes or whatever it is at this point tiger puts on Grayson like yo you have ever heard of Grayson it’s like the best brand ever I’m gonna be like me over here I’ve been talking about it October 12th 2022 just been harping out in every week
Since but yeah listen I I’ve kind of heard that through the through the grape vine but again I don’t I’m I don’t know anything but I just thought it was kind of funny that that’s what Charlie’s wearing this week yeah it yeah that’s uh And the reporter asked the question are you are
You done with Nike after this year he’s like I’m still wearing their gear and the guy followed it up and asked him again like well do that mean you’re going to re up with them and he’s like I’m still wearing their gear and that was it dead serious like stop asking me
That question it was the most Bill bellich answer he could have possibly given like we’re like this is what we’re doing this is we’re adhering to the contract uh I i’ I’ve thought that um I think Nike is an inferior golfing brand I think they for whatever reason I
Never liked their golf clubs I never liked the golf ball um quite frankly I don’t even really like their athletic apparel like I’m I’m more an Under Armour guy over Nike anyway um but the fact that they couldn’t get tiger a shoot like okay maybe maybe the clubs
Fit tiger and he and he really likes that stuff like or whatever that that’s all fine well and good the fact that they can’t get a shoe that fits his that fits his foot properly like how is there not just like some some it’s podiatrist right right how is there not like a
Doctor that’s in there with like okay here’s the mold of his foot this is what he needs his his shoe needs to be a little bit higher or or there needs to be a little more padding or whatever what quite frankly whatever the f it is
How do you not just get it done fix it yeah you’re a shoe company how do that’s what you do so to me I I take that not as they can’t get it done they don’t want to get it done like this has been in the works for a
While I I feel like there’s there’s got to be some kind of out there um again they haven’t made clubs or ball in a while they’ve just been doing golf shoes right if I’m not mistaken they got out of the golf club yeah they got out of the golf club and
Ball business yeah um so I wonder I wonder if they want to get out of of it really not not necessarily all together but like and they just want to go with like I don’t know I I if you can’t make a shoe when you’re a shoe company for
Your face the face of your franchise basically I don’t know that to me that tells me that you just don’t want to you don’t want to be in the Tiger Woods business anymore and and I don’t know th this would not be shocking in the least
To me I would say whoever’s making that decision that is the dumbest decision ever because it’s Tiger Woods we all know tiger to wear Sunday red with a Nike Swoosh symbol on his on his left chest and the black pants and the black shoes like that is so iconic it’s like
Nike saying to Michael Jordan nah we don’t want anything to do with you even after the fact like then tiger needs to make his own brand off of Nike the same way Jordan made Jordan because you would still buy that stuff I would still go buy the tiger stuff with a little Frank
Symbol of the of all that stuff on the hat on the shirt like I love that when he showed up in the Masters and everybody’s like what is that it’s Frank oh and then it never you never heard about Frank ever again even though Frank
Is the head cover of the Tiger on his back like those are things to me that I don’t understand as a businessman and I’m not one so maybe I just don’t get it but when you have a once in a-lifetime athlete like that you’re going to tell me as Nike as the biggest
Brand in the world that people wear all the time from shoes to apparel to everything else that we’re gonna let Tiger Woods go are you out of your mind yeah I I would think so there’s I don’t know why you would do that again that’d be like that’d be like Nike dropping Jordan
When he’s when he’s retiring right and I know tiger is not retiring but like uh the the name of Jordan has lived on Jordan hasn’t played basketball since 20121 so you’re talking 20 plus years and the Jordan brand is is even bigger than it was in the 90s so I
I don’t I don’t know why I I have no idea why they would do that again maybe there’s you know there’s CEOs of Nike for a reason and they they make a lot more money than you and I do so maybe they’re maybe they know something we
Don’t but I don’t know why I I don’t know why or how you just couldn’t get it couldn’t get it fixed right or again then the other thing would be okay tiger likes the foot Joys copy them by buy foot Joy then yeah like copy them give tiger give me the
Shoe and we’re going to make the same damn specs for a Nike shoe yep I um I don’t know again it just feels feels negligent to me it it really does it feels like there was for someone like tiger there’s a will there’s a way and they didn’t seem
To have the will so it didn’t get done it just seems very again that’s why I think this was fractured for a little while because if if they if they really if they foresaw that the contract is ending this you know this December and they were like well no it
Doesn’t do us any good to like put all this money time um you know any of the science into making him a shoe that he’s only going to wear for a couple months to me that that says that this was out a while ago yeah but
People would still buy that shoe is that that’s the crazy thing and you’re still making money off it yeah again listen I don’t I don’t know but the only I mean and I know I tease that with the Grayson thing because I saw Charlie wearing I
Thought that was kind of great but I find it hard to believe that if if tiger does leave Nike that he doesn’t make his own brand like I I find it hard to believe that tiger just doesn’t make his own brand from this point on because he is his own brand he doesn’t
Need to piggy back off somebody else right I just feel like if he wanted to make something and sell things under a Tiger Woods brand the man can do it now do you do you think um do you think maybe that’s what happens with Nike you think that he
Stays with Nike and they make like this own like this contract’s ending but he’s going to reup with Nike and make the tiger brand like Jordan has because we all know that Jordan brand is Nike it just is has the Jordan stuff on it or do
You think or are you saying that he goes with Grayson and Grayson opens up this Jordan line and it’s uh I’m sorry this tiger line and it’s Grayson stuff that just has Frank on it I think I think I think if tiger leaves Nike makes his own brand separate from
All other other businesses okay so he’s going get makes his own he makes his own clothing brand not not with Grayson not with Nike it’s going to be Tiger Woods and he’s going to come up with some name for it it’s just going to be his gear and just like every other clothing
Business company in the world um he’ll come up with the way he likes the shirts things like that I I just feel like it’s a no-brainer because why I guess there’s some why get in bed with somebody else if it’s not Nike well because I think Under Armor is better
But yeah but not when you’ve been with Nike since the early 90s yeah or mid 90s whatever whatever it’s been like it’s to me like they’ve stuck by him through some really really rough times and now the fact that the guy is looking better he’s feeling better he’s playing better
Why would you even attempt to dump him now he’s coming back he’s playing he’s he’s visual he’s out there he’s hitting a golf shot the guy is huge like I don’t know why I don’t know but listen yeah it does it does have that feeling right we you know we don’t know
You and I don’t know we don’t know anything that’s going on behind the scenes there but it does get that feeling that he’s out and why would you do that let let’s let’s talk about the golf though I want to go back to what you said about his
Walk he did look good on his walk now again I’d like to I’d like to say it’s only two days and we only saw one day it’s not four rounds uh and we know it’s not nearly as competitive but it did he did look good walking the the surgery does seem to
Have uh have worked whatever this this uh latest one was but his um his gate looked good he you know he wasn’t like last time we saw him limping around the Masters he he was very clearly hurting there he he looks he does look good he looks like he’s got nice little there’s
No hitch in the giddy up at all so so so yeah he he does look good and we know he’s got the skill it’s just can he walk it we’ve always we’ve always said that everybody says that that’s not breaking news there’s you know there’s people that can that are are reporting
That that that’s that’s that’s not breaking by any means but yeah if he can if he can walk he can play and it does look like he can walk so and if he can play he can win it’s true it’s true did you take it tiger what’s the what are
Tiger’s odds did you take tiger for the Masters yet I don’t I don’t gamble but um I have no idea what they are haven’t looked but I’ve been trying to help my friend AKA you win a few extra bucks so I don’t want to play the I Told You
So game come mid April so uh all right so that’s gonna be it for uh for Mike and I uh we’re going to send you to an interview um that we did with Jennifer sadly uh for those of you that don’t know who uh Jen is she is a
Golf course landscape painter uh I did say that she is a golf course landscaper in the interview uh which she she corrected me which I was glad uh she paints Golf Course Landscapes um she’s uh commissioned by Pebble Beach so she’s uh she’s the only one who’s legally
Allowed to paint Pebble Beach uh St Andrews she’s been commissioned by dozens of other super famous golf courses um and they’re they’re amazing they are beautiful paintings um it was it was really cool to get to talk to her and hear about her process and um you
Know she’s a Jersey girl through and through uh we talked about her time uh down here in in my neck of the woods um at Sun eagles with her grandfather so it was it was really really cool um getting to getting to chatt it up with her and
Hearing her hearing her story again her process uh how she got into this it’s a it’s a very interesting very Niche um uh part of of uh art or or in the golf world it’s just another different angle that she’s doing and it was super super cool
And I just the absolute nicest lady that that I’ve ever talked to I mean just just it was just a doll I mean it was really she was really a whole lot of fun to talk to and again hear all that she had to say so um so here’s our interview
With Jennifer sadly enjoy all right so today’s guest is Jennifer sadly do you prefer Jen or Jennifer actually I there’s either’s fine whatever you’re com uh Jen is an American representational painter and she specializes in Golf Course Landscaping uh she’s from here in New Jersey um and we’re lucky and glad to
Have her on so Jen thanks for joining the show thank you so much I love it um Golf Course landscape painting is different than Golf Course Landscaping but I love that you said that I didn’t even catch that I said that it’s been said before before so yes if you see me uh
Pruning trees out on your golf course with a paintbrush in my hand you’ll know it’s me good that’s that’s good I appreciate the uh the correction there um I I I actually want to start here I always say this about about golf courses specifically it
Is we’ve all been out on the golf course at really any time of day but it does tend to be when the lights’s better you know dusk or Dawn that Golf Course pictures like you’re like oh this is a beautiful picture of of even just whatever hole you’re on it doesn’t need
To be some magical place and it never does it justice when you take the picture and then you’re looking at the live view compared to what you got on the picture it never does it it’s it’s never just it’s never as good you know it’s never as uh doesn’t pop as well or
Whatever it is it just doesn’t C capture that feeling but when I look at your paintings I do get that feeling I think you do capture that that essence of the time that’s being that’s that’s out there how do you how do you do that oh I don’t
Know I I figured I’d start with the hardest question first how do you capture Essence in your paintings no I mean that’s what painting is is for that’s why painting is still relevant um it’s there’s there’s lots of reasons for making art period there’s lots of reasons for making paintings but I think
Within the realm within the genre of golf and its history there is an opportunity to capture those feelings of you know Human Experience when you’re out there you can do that with paint um but you know when you’re taking single shots think of it it’s like putting your
Head into a vice it’s it’s stuck there right you and you hit the button and that’s one angle it’s one moment it doesn’t capture how it feels three you know all the way around however many degrees you’re willing to turn your head right like it’s right yeah the whole experience so
You know that’s that’s kind of what makes it valuable and makes it special is to be able to to do that with paint because you can’t do it with a photograph yeah it’s it’s one of the things that like as as I was going through my research and looking up all
Your stuff and all the all the work that You’ done I I couldn’t help but think that as I’m looking there like like that you see all these pictures that people post and you’re like wow that that must be a beautiful site but it really is
Just like a nice photo but it misses that like feeling it it you know as a kid say it didn’t it didn’t hit you know and and then I look at your stuff and it does I get the feeling of of standing on the tea boox at um at Pebble Beach and
Seeing the waves crash behind behind I can I can Envision that more in my mind I don’t know what you were able to capture something that that moved me quite frankly as I was looking at the at the paintings oh I love that well thank
You yeah so again that was the one thing that I was just I really wanted to know I was I was really interested in in that but let’s let’s go back to the beginning I guess uh you super talented at at both painting and I assume passionate about
Golf as well how did you how did you get to where you are now how did you come down this path of of molding both of these talents well it wasn’t planned for sure I think it found me ultimately um I started painting well I started making art you know as a little
Kid uh and I was on a golf cart at six years old with my grandfather it’s one of my fondest childhood memories actually Grandfather at that point was retired um he jumped out of planes in World War II and he he was a retired military guy you know so I grew up
Sitting next to him uh on a golf cart at Fort Mammoth officer club which happens to be a Tilling House course and he was very quiet he barely said a word um but then he’d say something like don’t hit the pin and inevitably every time I
Would hit the pin so that was fun um I was the only uh descendant that ever was allowed to even play golf with him I played golf with my dad as well who was a scratch golfer too and um I did not grow up going to a club um in fact uh
Lots of family vacations and driveing range and I’ve always loved the game and uh when I got to high school I was the only girl on the then boys golf team so I played golf in high school uh and then I went to art school so no one at the
Time I don’t really know why I mean I I was okay I mean I was decent I was they allowed me to play on the boys golf um in my town which is now just the golf team um but it wasn’t until well gosh that after
That it was a lot of trips you know traveled and played but again it was just here and there and it really wasn’t until years later um more recently I’ve got two boys and my husband and my two boys were out on the course playing and
It was Twilight and it was beautiful and between High School golf really and playing six years ago is when I pivoted my entire career to payt golf I I just I had a moment and I say this all the time but it’s it’s exactly what happened it
Was like an epiphany it’s very difficult when you’re you know come from a family of artists and creative um creative families well my dad was in banking but but surrounded by well I was always able to point is I guess I was always able to paint and draw anything it’s kind of a
Blessing in a curse it’s very difficult when you are you have the facility to figure out what you actually want to make because you can make anything so it was tough um but at that moment it just hit me like oh my gosh this is something I’ve loved my entire life this is
Something that’s been special and meaningful for me throughout my entire life and I didn’t realize because I didn’t know the history of the genre of golf artart I didn’t really know it existed um wow so I have to paint this so I went back to my studio and I kind
Of dropped whatever else I was doing and made a bunch of golf paintings a couple and um people saw them and then I I don’t know a couple months later I ended up at a PGA show so it evolved and then the more I decided wow this is something
I really love I started looking into you know I did a lot of research the US GA was extraordinarily helpful um spent I spent a lot of time the USGA Museum um and in the archives I’ve seen every rare book every first edition every piece of artwork that the USGA has in the
Archives and um that just gets my like Spidey senses tinkling I I I love history and and that’s my that’s my right in my wheelhouse there good we you know you can you can relate I was fully nerding out yeah and and it’s not an
Easy path I mean I did go to graduate school I am I believe I’m the only artist on the globe in the the world that has a master of Fine Arts and painting that paints exclusively in the genre of golf there are others that have been college but I don’t know anyone
With an MFA that that actually does this and and to to go a step further there are very few people that do this exclusively anyway um so it was I don’t know it’s you know it’s scary to do something where you have a successful career and you’re you know I was having
Solo shows and painting other things and doing a lot of private commissions um I’m a trained Portrait Painter too uh so you know it it was it was a crazy move and um but that said I look back and every day there isn’t there’s always something that happens that I look back
And I think oh my gosh like why did I go to graduate school in or why did I like I have all these other experiences I’m a junkie for history I love classic classical architecture um I was doing all this other work that’s led
Me to do what I’m doing now um and I it wasn’t even a year later I got um a call from Pebble Beach to talk about the possibility of becoming a LIC e and that opens so many opportunities for me and um it’s you know basically that happened
And then clubs 90% of the work that I do is Private Client private club commission I put nothing on social media I don’t put anything on my website I have a couple things on the website but I don’t show any of it all of the privacy of all these clubs is maintained
So I don’t even like if someone comes to me and wants a print or something of something that’s not a private club that’s not their Club I don’t sell that to them you have to like be a member and you gotta keep the I’m sure there’s
There’s I don’t I don’t know if you came up with this or the clubs but I’m sure that they want they don’t want their their stuff all over to just some random people that’s not never been there just just has a collection of stuff you know
That’s that makes sense to me they want to keep the the the uniqueness of it um the the exclusivity the priv exclusivity yeah yeah that’s the word I was looking for well and and exclusivity can be good at some time in some at some point but in other times it’s
It’s not you know we want to be inclusive and um now I’m official Fine Art ly for St Andrews links trust so I now able to have Public Work of Pebble Beach legally I’m allowed to I didn’t know this in graduate school no one said you’re going to need to have a license
Agreement with I had no idea and a lot of artists don’t and they’re making work technically illegally they can get cease and desist paperwork from any club that’s got trademarks on their um course so I’m I’m legally allowed to create and sell artwork of Pebble Beach or and and St Andrews those
Are those are two good ones I would say if you’re looking for two those are two of the top ones you’d look to do well for public I mean that’s and that said other clubs don’t have that kind of they don’t worry about that kind of stuff but
In this case um for me that’s enough that’s enough just I can sell that work publicly um and then all the other private work is is private and I’m really private so uh it works for me so this is stepping outside your comfort zone then if you’re ah come
On uh I I love all of that but there was one part really in the beginning that I want to ask you about and it’s Sun Eagles are you did you grow up around sunag uh no oh okay uh cuz Sun Eagles is like right in my backyard and I I’ve played
There for a number of years uh going back all the way to when it was still um commissioned only like like you played with your with your grandfather um my best friend went to West Point so we were able to get on when he was in
College um and it was still private then it went public just a year or two after that but um I I love that place the bones there are terrific Tilly house did a phenomenal job with that course and I’ve been saying for years it just needs some
TLC uh and recently maybe four five six years ago now um the Martelli group bought it they’re doing work to it and building houses in the officers quarters and that kind of stuff so I don’t know if you’ve been down lately but it’s it’s really quite a quite an accomplishment
What they’re doing there oh I’d love to see that actually it’s a it’s uh it’s actually going full private next year um that’s where it’s it’s gone to that that’s like the level that they’ve that they’ve gotten to um but yeah that that’s interesting and what high school did you go to that
There wasn’t a girls um a golf team if you don’t mind me asking no no at the time they were it was just I don’t think it was particularly it wasn’t purposefully segregated just no girls played does that make sense it totally I’m sure there were other were other kids had
Girls and there was a girl after me and I do think I used to think I was the first but um a good friend family friend and and um well he was older than me he said that there were girls that that played I went to Glenn Ridge High School it just
Depends on the location I think a lot of the other PL like warmer climates definitely have girls teams both yeah well that’s what I didn’t know if you were from around here uh like close to close to um Sun Eagles that would have a course or or a te a girls team nowadays
Than that didn’t back then like um like redb Catholic Colt neck uh that that sort of thing my dad taught at redb Catholic for a very short period of time I believe before he went to grad school oh very nice so yeah you’re familiar with you’re familiar with my neck of the
Woods here a little bit just a little a little bit um so that’s that’s amazing that you just kind of had this this like Epiphany and then this this full pivot like the the courage that much take to to say hey I have this successful career that I now
Want to Pivot into this other career that nobody else is doing how confident were you in like the niche that you found and you’re like this is what I have to do like it it that that again that’s that’s scary just even thinking about well yeah I mean our boy
My our boys are 13 and 11 years old so they were really little at the time and uh yeah I was terrified but right anything worth it you know and I think too when something hits you that hard and and you feel that you just know it’s
Like you just so passionate about it that you I don’t know I mean I think it’s the most responsible thing to do is be fearless and get on with it and follow your dream yeah like you I think you were about to say that old adage of
Like anything worth doing is going to be hard and and you know with with hard is going to be scary sometimes so I think with in a mortgage it scary turns into terrifying things like um you know H yeah I mean it’s it’s not an easy pivot uh but that
Said too it’s opened up so many opportunities and um even this summer you know bringing the boys to Pebble Beach for the US Women’s Open and getting having them experience the magic of of seeing what all those women were so psyched to play and be there it was
So special for everyone on so many levels the first time in history that the US Women’s opens at Pebble Beach and you know mom made the official commemorative painting and mom was signing posters like it was nice for them to see that my kids for at least
For my a little for a week that I wasn’t just the mom that does their laundry right yeah like you’re you’re you’re awesome you’re not just Mom you’re also awesome and you’re doing cool stuff and like people are looking at your painting and they’re commenting on it that must
Have been a real a real kick for your whole family there it was good there was good for them I mean they know but it’s still you know like oh God where my last year my younger son I brought him to St Andrews and he’s like oh God Mom oh can
I miss four days of school you know this is he was very but getting out there and doing the field work and like what I mean I lived in Scotland so whatever but you know it was great I’ve been there since but since grad school but it was
Nice so nice to be back and have that experience and see it sort of through a fresh eye my son was 10 you know oh you have a lovely wee boy you have a lovely wee boy was great you know they’re offering him half Point Guinness and
He’s like no no iron Brew I’ll have iron Brew it’s awesome but walking the old course and you know we went through each we went to each bunker and I had him naming every single bunker and you know just really all the little details and stuff it’s it’s magic it’s so magic so
That’s that actually is a great lead in to my to this next question I have for you which is what is your process like like you you get commission you go to the old course you go to Pebble you go to these these places um where you get
Commissioned to do stuff what what’s the process like is it like hey this does pebble say hey come do our seventh hole or or do you decide this is the angle I want to do this is the like give us some insight as as to like how that how that
Process goes well I think I guess when I was first trying to figure out because I have a I mean you really you develop I believe as a painter you develop your painting your professional painting practice through through practice it’s like I well and in doing my research to
Figure out like okay I can do this as a career um I reached out to an artist there are there are other artists not many that do paint golf they have their painting practice and specific rules and I reached out to the artist Linda harto
Who is just she’s just a lovely woman um so kind I um to to find out more information right like see who’s doing it now that said I come from I have a contemporary art background and painting practice I grew up in the Metro New York
Area I lived in New York City I worked for the many painters who were considered part of the movement New York photo realists and uh painterly realists they all studied with Joseph Alber and the early 60s at Yale and I’ve had fellowships and grants and I come from a
Very specific art world I was you know Studio assistant cleaning brushes running around Manhattan um when I was just starting out and I have a painting practice already so to do this was like oh God I have to reinvent a painting practice like what am I going to do you
Know we would never paint from photographs we would never there are things but now I go to a course I walk the course I you know and Linda harto is not a golfer but she knows golf courses because she’s been doing it a very long
Time um I reached out to her and she was super kind and I said hey you know like can I visit you can we have a studio visit I’d love to meet you and she said sure you know so I I flew down to South Carolina and she’s like stay in my guest
House so um we I spent a weekend with her and my husband was like you’re gonna do what you’re G to go stay with a stranger and uh she thought she tell told me later you know said oh you know I’ve have a perfect stranger coming to
Spend the weekend um but it was like we were friends in another life or something like I feel like she’s family and she was very generous in sharing her practice so I’ve used bits from the what she does and times have changed her practice is what it is and but the world
Has changed the golf Market’s changed courses obviously you see this every day are getting renovated and everything everything’s constantly changing but ultimately I have kind of well as any artist would develop my own so I I draw uh I take hundreds and hundreds of photos I have an assistant um that
Sometimes comes with me to get different angles uh and depends on the course spend you need to spend usually a few days doing the field work I mean very that’s the ideal way to do it um take bunch of pictures go back make a composition use the best imagery to jog
Your memory now as a golfer as a lifelong golfer I can walk AC course and I’ll know okay well this is where I would take my Approach shot or this is how I would this is I would use a seven iron here or I would you I think about it in
A different way not all people painting golf have that Vantage Point that’s got to be a huge Advantage oh my gosh Like It Is Well it me because I nerd out and I like to have all of the details I like to know you know for me it’s very
Much about how you feel and how do you feel when you’re going to look at it how does the viewer feel as a golfer you know how does someone who might be a lover of golf but not a golf or lover of art or landscape how do they feel I mean
It’s all about feel and golf is all about feel right you know you feel your shot um I find the process of painting my painting practice and my golf practice they’re they’re both meditative for me they’re intertwined like I could just putt for hours and just practice I
Could go to the driving range and I could could take do all different shots with all different clubs not necessarily any particular order but for me it’s so meditative and um I find that fascinating like just that I can do either I mean making the work so anyway
You make all these you get all you gather all of your nuts right you get all of your information together and you bring it back to the studio and you just look at everything and you think about the experience and you think about okay like where was the best you know like
For Pebble Beach for instance certain holes are going to look better at certain times of day like you wouldn’t have a shot you wouldn’t have the best angle of um well the seventh because it’s at Arrowhead Point you’ve got Sun the sunrise or the sunset you’ve got a very
Beautiful situation but like the 18th um for instance maybe that would be better also so too I checked the tide schedule for PE Pebble Beach because it’s you know along the coast so if you want those big spectacular waves which is not why they call it still water
Cove um you know the other side of that is if you’re there when it’s not full moon or you know the tide schedule you don’t get high tide um for with like the US Women’s Open if it’s so still you can see all the beautiful reflection you know there’s that’s another experience
When you’re out there playing so I try to find something in whatever course that’s going to give you that feeling that that you know what gives it its Pebble beess or its old coess or it’s wherever you know because otherwise it’s just like any golf club any anywhere you know what
Is going to make this course identifiable and special what you know like Somerset Hills you know that row of apple trees you could pick an apple and eat it while you’re walking up the ninth Fairway um it’s so cool so that’s important as well and um I kind of you
Know I won’t take a commission unless I feel like there’s something there to really do um so anyway then it takes a couple of months to make the painting it takes a couple it takes six to eight weeks to order um I I use only Museum grade materials that’s my background so
Archival Museum grade materials I use a guy that does all this stretchers for Moma and the met and everywhere else and um Belgian linen you name it and down everything is is Museum grade and archival takes quite a bit of time costs quite a bit of money before I even start
And then once I have it it takes a couple of months to create the actual painting and then it takes some time to dry and then it goes to image capture and then sometimes it goes to framing um and then all that other fun stuff uh but
It is it’s it is cool you know I didn’t know in grad school that I’d be making a piece of art that would get unveiled and that you know 300 people would be clapping I mean that’s just crazy like I love it it’s just it’s it’s at first I
Was like oh God this is scary but um it’s wonderful that we can celebrate the game in all different kinds of ways it brings people together and it makes me really happy yeah I I I just that whole thing just is there’s so much that’s so fascinating
From like the again like the nerdy history things to even like the little like you talked about how how that Cove sometimes it’s got the wave sometimes it’s flat and you can see the reflection of stuff like that even thinking about that there’s there’s so many little details that I
Don’t think the normal person would understand but then when they see it in a painting it it you like I said to start you bring it to life and that you do such a great job with it it’s really it it’s really impressive for sure is this is the process the same
Wherever you go or do you find that um now obviously like you go to Pebble right you’re looking at the tide schedules and you go to Somerset Hills you don’t have to worry about the tides but is there is there some place that you go like does it matter the level of the
Course or is it the same every time just like I’d imagine again like a putting stroke like hey I got this this 8 in putt my motion my my warmup is the same whether it’s a 8 inch putt 10 foot putt whatever the case is we’re doing the same
Thing well I’m sure we’ve I’m sure you can relate to this I I can certainly you know your putt your timing your Tempo can all be spoton and you might have that practiced you know down to a science but then you get to a course where they’ve just rolled the greens and
Your butt goes flying so you know I’ve come to learn and this has really been quite a short you know I’ve been painting my whole life I professionally i’ entire professional career of creating artwork so from a technical standpoint it’s the painting but golf painting and the experience of this
Fieldwork you know is not new but it’s I’ve been doing it for now six years and what I have come to learn is that every different course has its own unique palette its own voice and I feel like unlike I say this I’m not a hippie but I
Love hippies um but but it’s my job to sort of be the vehicle or the means to pull that out because I I can see right away like oh this is clearly I know the signature hole it’s like looking at a menu and in a restaurant you’ve never
Been to before and finding that thing on the menu that they’re known for for you know like what is that going to be it’s it’s like a game it’s kind of like a game like a puzzle so um there’s always every course will have its own unique
Thing and it’s not about me it’s about finding what that special thing is and then I can help make sure the composition is beautiful and that the scale and proportion of the actual piece goes in the right location and that’s where my um other background uh for years I worked with um
AR classical Architects interior designers um based out of Manhattan I worked for Ralph Lauren home collection for years as well uh I can very easily and and it’s funny I don’t know how this happened but clubs ask me you know well where do you see this going where do you
See how do you see this and at first I was like what why are they asking me they just met me but I get it and I’m very confidently can say yeah you know this is the right composition for this space and this is the the right
Proportion and this is the style of frame it should have and this is I can you know this is the 5-year-old saying I know I was such a little know and all I probably would have been irritated by my five-year-old self I know I know oh I
Knew that already I know but all these years of all this experience I feel like I can really you know it’s been fun and I don’t advertise clubs call me you know they’ve heard and they know that I’m going to respect their privacy and it’s all private and the more private I am
The more calls I get yeah talking about the exclusivity of of something like that’s you know a those those the the upper echelon clubs that’s what they want so that’s they they trust that they’re getting that with you and that’s a huge building that trust if if you come into them and that
Trust has already been built then I’m sure they trust you on so many other things because that’s the thing that they are that they’re looking for yeah I mean that’s that’s awesome but at the same time I feel like art should be accessible to everyone and
I’ve always spel that way so that so this whole exclusivity thing is not necessarily something that I’ve ever championed I’ve always felt like anybody should be able to experience everybody equally should be able to experience art um whether you’re a golfer or not it should be a beautiful
Some a beautiful thing to just see look at and you know we’re human it’s not a screen it’s wonderful there’s texture there’s a physical texture to a painting that and there’s gestures in The Strokes and it’s juicy and it’s and you know we’re human so I like I love the idea of
Making public art and I’m trying to work on all that right now that’s my it’s not a secret anymore I’ve just told you but uh art that’s accessible to everyone you don’t need to be in the upper echelon at a private club to necessarily afford to have it you can experience it publicly
Well once it becomes public you you let us know and I’m sure that Mike and I are going to have a couple in our in our houses somewhere oh I love well no I mean the pebble work I we have actually there’s a lot of work right now um there
Is one shop that has been supportive since the beginning for me the only shop that sells my work uh they’re located at Pebble Beach it’s called golf links to the Past they’re right across from the front door of the Lodge at Pebble and um the actually the manager Chris little
He’s a lovely chap he’s the grandson of the famous Lawson little and he’s very smart guy and he knows Lots about golf history and and they sell my work so Originals they sell prints and they also I mean I people can contact me contact my studio and um set up commissions and
All that fun stuff but golf links to the Past um sells my work so it’s you can buy it actually sometimes sometimes when it’s available yeah yeah on website and I don’t know I can’t that’s where I get lost um well Jenna I I had cut you off
In the beginning about uh you had some kind of surprise or or something to tell me what uh oh what was what was that well I had been doing some homework on you guys and I love what you do and I think it’s it’s um probably not a podcast interview time but a
Conversation over pintes and around hopefully you guys will will come in um play gland Rich at some point uh but I was looking at the picture the little digital picture of the character of you guys with your map and your little collection of balls on the back wall and
The whole thing and um so my request is that at some point you’ll let me make a little digital golf painting uh Jennifer golf painting for your digital wall so it can be on your on your wall I want to put a poster up a th% you can that would be
Amazing I am happy I feel like okay my work is done here what I want but I I think it should be of your favorite Course in New Jersey whatever that is that’s so funny that you say that because when when Mike and I first started this whole this
Whole thing right like so little quick background like him and I went and played around at homy Hill and we start bouncing this idea around and he comes back to me the next day he’s like yeah let’s do it so so then I’m like okay how
Do you start a podcast I have no idea there’s not like there’s not a playbook for it or anything like that H is it just going to be like I didn’t even think at that time we were going to turn this into a business right so that’s how
There’s no there’s no guide map there’s no nothing there so I’m like okay what does podcast have oh podcast have like a little sticker or poster so one day I’m like all right let me work on this so I start working on you know I tell him to
Send me his bit emoji and I start doing that so it’s it’s funny the P the the golf courses in the background Mike’s been a caddy at Manasquan River uh his family’s been a member there you know for for many years so that’s the one
Over Mike in his in this little thing ah and then at that point the nicest course that I had ever gotten to play uh I’ve gotten to play nine holes at balol so uh so it oh no is it balaur or Ridgewood that I have up there it’s it’s one of
Those two but that’s the that’s the one that’s above me but I’m like I take the picture right I crop it I’m I’m like super close to my it thing took me literally an entire day I Must Have Spent Must Have Spent eight hours working on it and and we we don’t ever
We use it for every YouTube to podcast the only thing we use it for it’s it’s not like it’s it’s not like it’s a big player in our rotation of pictures but it’s funny that you so it’s really funny that you mentioned that but a th% you we
I would love that that would be incredible guys well and and maybe I don’t know like this is what I do right I I get so excited and then I’m like I have to do this but yeah may have to make you a new uh backdrop little
Illustration of the two of you guys for sure I could probably I could probably I would do that if you wanted me to as well like when you guys are ready for your you know upgrade I like the don’t get me wrong we we’ll take any and all
Any and all of your stuff we’ll take I don’t know right like you should be allowed I don’t know I could probably work on that too whatever courses if they needed approval maybe they’ let us do a little digital uh rendering of yeah Jersey Jersey oh
Yeah that was so cool yeah thank you that’d be great that’d be great um Jen you started to to say where um where people can find you uh where can we find you what’s your Instagram uh website what’s all that kind of stuff that people can go check your stuff out
According to my 11-year-old I’m an Instagram Noob uh I do have Instagram but I keep it very very light it’s JS golf Landscapes is the Instagram and my website is Jennifer saddle.com and then in 2024 there will be uh Jennifer sadly shop.com so right now there will never
Be an e-commerce component on my actual Fine Art website but there will be uh soon to come Jennifer satly shop in the meantime golf links to the Past at Pebble Beach and they have a website as well they don’t you have to call them um or mosy in the next time you’re playing
Around at Pebble um that that’s how you those are the only ways to find me I do have an 800 number um for private commissions my office it’s um 8 888 208 4560 and um I do want to share a little bit about the New Jersey golf foundation
With you guys as well I think it’s a really good um absolutely yeah it’s a great cause everything that New Jersey do New Jersey golf Foundation does for the state um is have you guys um met with them at all have you um had any I believe Mike yeah
Mike’s been in I believe Mike’s been in contact with them I we haven’t done anything specifically I don’t I don’t believe I hope I’m not forgetting something but um okay but nothing specifically okay well um I’ve had the the really the good fortune and the privilege of being
On the Board of Trustees for the last three years and um they do extraordinary work they have sort of three pillars that they focus on military Special Needs um and youth and all of these programs are amazing um I actually I was at the inspiration driving range this
Morning for the Vets families uh military families vets uh PG hope um we’re working on a project to create a memorial and um there it’s it’s well it’s almost completely in development but on the website you can actually go on the website and donate uh for this particular uh inspiration driving range
They’re going to have you can um there’s four different sizes of bricks and they’re making a path so if you have um you know everyone’s got some military contact for me certainly it’s my grandfather you know uh it’s it’s such a great thing to do for the Vets it’s it’s really um
Important and um you can donate individually uh for you know I guess you can put different uh they can laser into a brick so you can memorialize you can remember some a loved one or you know family member friend um or you can just put your Club logo on a you know donate
And have a logo put on a a brick as well so I love that I think it’s a really good cause um and I love that you know I’m able to spread the word on that one yeah absolutely I uh um my grandfather
As well was uh was in World War II he um he actually he passed away last year at uh we at his it was 104 months or something like that so it was uh yeah so I I felt very fortunate to be connected
To him but um but yeah I have two of my closest friends are in the military so I’m I’m an involved in the tunnels to Tower organization as well so I have I have quite an affinity for the military as well as as it sounds like you do so
Uh that sounds that sounds amazing what a what a terrific cause that brick program I’m trying to think of what they call it like the stenciling or whatever they call it but but yeah they have they have that I’ve seen that at a few places that’s a great that’s a great uh thing
And that’s the that’s is that NJ foundation.org and um NJ golf foundation.org do you know the website there NJ Golf foundation.org and you there’s you know there’s a click button for donate and they I like the idea like you can have a laser engraved the names you know in memory of your
Friends or in memory of your grandfather on a brick either 4 by8 like a classic brick it looks like the vet hospital that’s right there in Lions New Jersey um or an 8 by8 and you can have your Club logo laser engraved into this brick and it’s going to be a pathway that’s
That goes around this Monument with some flags with all the different um uh well the American flag there’s there’s going to be you know each division of the military and represented and stuff like that it’s it’s there’s also the special needs component you know they they work with kids with all
Different types of special needs at this inspiration driving range as well so um yeah no it’s it’s a really good cause I love it and I’m just grateful that I can be involved in in my own way see older you get keep getting more proud Jersey what what can I
Say I love it I mean for going all over the world this even in a short period of time I’ve I’ve just had the Good Fortune Too of being able to travel all over I’ve been I’ve traveled all over the world already but for for golf and for
For golf painting uh I love coming home and I’m very proud of where I’m from yeah that’s that’s incredible well I I just think it’s such a that’s such an awesome cause I I don’t even have the words to like those three pillars there you can’t find three
Better causes for those kind of pillars and that that’s great and and um yeah this has been awesome Jen I really appreciate you coming on I I could bombard you for hours and hours with questions on on stuff that you’ve done or or been to or or just anything I I
Personally I find painting AB like the most fascinating thing I can barely draw St a stick figure so it’s it’s really When I See Art I just I I just I don’t I don’t I don’t feel like I appreciate it like um like the deepness of it always
Especially like I did when I like I saw your your paintings when I was looking at it but I always think to myself like this is just a talented human being because again I I I can’t draw stick figure so it’s it’s really impressive to
Me yeah well that well thank you if it if it helps at all my family teases me because I can’t play Pictionary I can’t draw a stick figure well there we got that in common we both can’t draw stick figures see that they’re like are you kidding me you
Do this for a living like what no no I’m hang man I’m terrible I lose it’s terrible oh man uh well Jed thank you so much for coming on really appreciate it go check out her stuff if if anybody’s interested uh New Jersey golf foundation.org another place to check out um Jen thank
You so much for coming on this was amazing uh sure appreciate it Ron thank you so much thank you take care name a better feeling than buying something you know you can take and wear anywhere money spent on quality products is money well spent even more so when
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Hyping up 2024. I feel like the winter the best time to get content on the golf course. Less people and more freedom. Look forward to watching the rest