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that’s my method in a nutshell it’s the most Junior lesson you’ve ever taken that’s what I give to tour players what I give to coaches it’s what I give to scratch players and beginners thanks for watching everybody really excited to have Martin arys back on the channel a couple days ago we did a video with Martin that was really popular on the channel where we were talking about his philosophy of the golf swing and in general Martin it seemed there’s a really great engagement on this video and there’s lots of people that see said I love what he’s saying it he seems like a really like there’s some kind of Genius in there but they just don’t know what to do with that really interesting information so and then other people were saying hey I tried this and it was all just basically like an academic exercise but nothing that I could any meat that I could grab into yeah so I wanted to address that straight away like are you like a golf swing philos ier or is there’s some stuff in here that people without seeing you directly could actually sink into and start because I think the the intoxicating part about this is that there is actually a switch that can be flipped and if you change this perception your golf game will improve like not over the course of like a year like you’re just talking about like over the course of a range session and and also on and ongoing so think of it as a trajectory okay because if you’re doing the right things then you will be in a in a positive feedback loop with your golf game day on day on day shot on shot on shot even though of course you’ll hit bad shots you’ll make mistakes but if you’re thinking the right things and your approach is the right approach you will be engaged in a positive feedback if you’re willing to contend with the game of golf which changes from shot to shot to shot and day to day to day then you ought to be willing to contend with some ideas that are a little bit of a challenge you know it’s just like you you’re not going to learn anything meaningful if I just advertise to you right and that’s like I’ve got a good swing I know this I’ve got a good swing people I don’t need anyone to tell me that actually but if I wanted to just make money right then I’d just I’d just sell some thing that hey this is what I’m doing and this is how I’m swinging and they can easily understand it and then they buy the thing and then five minutes later they’re like it didn’t work for me well some of the some the contention is that some people were saying that they think that you are being intentionally obtuse order to like sell something yeah absolutely incorrect on that on that note like if they can find an advertisement for me advertising my golf instruction then by all means have at it you can say that but you know I’ve never advertised golf lessons the closest thing I’ve done to that is I’ve said if you if you like if you want to reach out to me you want some here’s my email like here’s how you can get in touch I’ve not said any I’ve not made any claims I’m not seeing you saying you you’ll lose five shots of it I’m not I’ve never done that okay it’s not about that um what it’s about is that if you have a this is how I would frame what I’m going to do the rest of my life I’m going to give people a first class education in what the goal swing is how it works what to do in the goal swing the how to do it once you understand those things the how to do it isn’t that big a deal that’s why 5-year-olds can do it a 5-year-old can do it we’ve all seen we remember Jaden song have you remember seeing Jaden song Swing when he was 5 years old that kid yeah for sure yeah he he us up in this area oh well there you go okay so that guy when he’s 5 years old and I know you say well he’s talented okay but there’s a lot of 5-year-old kids who can swing it good and they didn’t they didn’t need to be told how is my point and so what I aim to do is give you a junior lesson in the practical application of it because you’ve got a first class education in what it is that you’re doing and adults need that what it is you’re doing if they don’t have that they will abandon the junior pure feel as soon as they hit a bad shot they will just say that mistake is unacceptable to me I need to fix that mistake even though it was just simply they screwed it up so let’s get real clear and big picture first uh reiterate the big picture is your contention that people are looking at the golf swing backwards what’s the main contention is it it’s something to do with there’s motion and then you have to you have to keep your swing contained trailing that motion the entire way until a certain point is or it’s it’s well there’s there’s an interaction is the key the thing that cuts through everything you just said there you and the golf club are involved in this okay and most most instruction deals with the go swing as though it’s purely what the player is doing to the golf club creates the GOL swing as if the what the golf club does to the player is is ignored right okay whereas you have to look at it at least as a 50/50 proposition we just think about the physics of you’re saying like once the golf club Gets In Motion you know at at the start it’s two or three miles an hour then it starts to get you know in the back swing about 20 then it’s zero and then again near the bottom it’s at like 100 you’re saying that creates incredible forces that have to be dealt with that people are not taking into account that’s right and and it’s it’s more than that in a sense though because it doesn’t really Return To Zero ear in transition is the point so gu it’s not merely what what the camera sees as momentum you you want to think of it this way Scotty Sheffer is a great example of this okay okay because he might even be the best example of this for for the reasons that will become obvious to people in a second is that you are responsible in this interaction with the club you are responsible for basically the way in which that club the direction and force and momentum and everything that that club takes off okay then at a point later in the back swing for all players that are really good the club more or less takes over the show now it doesn’t mean the player disappears but it’s an interaction so you think of it like a teeter totter okay the person that that is on the way down is pushing the person up but now the person who’s up who’s been pushed up they’re in the position of Leverage whichever person is the force that’s lowering one is is what is Fighting Gravity for the other right it’s the one side than the other and that’s what I’m trying to portray here is that you you set the tone for the club and then the club sets the tone of the downswing now that in itself is a radical idea for me I understand that but the reason I’m the reason I’m proposing such a radical idea is because it is what the best players are doing and there is absolutely no question in my mind that that’s what’s happening now the reason that that’s preferable is that it is more predictable because you all you have to do is set the tone once and ride the show to the end and then they come to 18 and now got three iron for to win and I got over that thing and that was when that’s when everything becomes automatic and I just kept saying to just just take it away if I can just get it moving if I can just get the club to there just get it and I took it away right which is a hell of a lot better than you setting the tone one way stopping setting the tone the other way and then timing the whatever you’re going to do down the bottom this is available to anyone who’s willing to contend with the ideas you know if you’re not if you’re not interested in contending with the ideas and you want to dismiss it out of hand that’s okay with me too I really don’t care cuz I’m not trying to sell you anything I’m just pointing out that what’s available to you is a lot better than what you’re currently producing and the reason you’re unable to produce it is because you’ve got the wrong idea and one of those ideas I wanted to bring up that I think is super important that I want to talk about again if we didn’t get it on our last time is that right now all the the hottest thing in golf instruction in both golf instruction and also like there’s a a small Niche field of golf of scientists to study the golf way is ground reaction forces and they’re they’re crucial and important but you said you you said probably even more important are the club reaction forces which although right now with the swing Catalyst and some other things we can really measure in higher level what’s going on into the ground yes but these CL which I support I I support that that uh research I love the whole ground reaction forces stuff I’m I’m into that myself like I don’t talk about like what what is Club reaction forces and then how how could we feel that to start utilizing that to hit better golf shots okay so there’s there’s a there’s a drill I use and I unashamedly use this with professional golfers and people who’ve never picked up a golf club in their lives and I call it the Baton twirl drill and the reason I call it the Baton twirl drill is that the idea is that you get the two ends of the club swinging around each other like a baton and then you you just get it swinging end over end like that and that you then respond to that once you set the tone and the club takes over your role is to respond to the club and people will respond to a swinging club in a motion that’s much better than the one they’re trying to produce okay now unfortunately most of instruction tells you how to move in the downswing let’s say if it’s talking about the downswing when I believe the whole downswing is a pure reaction to a club that’s already on its way to the end of the swing and doesn’t need any help it doesn’t need to be squared it does doesn’t need to be manipulated okay it’s already it’s already doing what it needs to do swinging it just needs to keep swinging without you messing it up this is a drill I’ve got called the Baton twirl drill the reason for this is to feel the sequence and the ease with which you can follow the club okay so I’m going to get the club swinging okay so I’m just going to let it swing end over end I’m not going to move it okay see I’m not moving it I’m swinging it end over end now end over end attached to me does not mean it spins in place right obviously it covers more ground than this doesn’t it yeah cuz I’m hanging on to it so it covers more ground end over end becomes a whole swing end over end end over end now if I let it go end over end first and then I I follow it you can see how easy this gets and I’m not making any effort to move this thing I’m just letting it swing end over end and you see how consistently I can do that well what do you think about that what does that say to you how am I managing to hit these positions so consistently I’m not going any end over end and once it starts swinging end over end what I’m going to do is I’m going to go with it right and then it’s end over end and I’m with it is it possible for us just to like kind of panim behind you know step back and and kind of show us what the batra would look like cuz this was a something specifically that Lee asked me was saying that if we’re going to start to feel this main point that you’re making of getting the golf club and your and your body in more inbalance throughout the entire swing we’re going to be doing this through drills and exercises so if could you kind of show us how the Baton drill would work um I’m going to use uh I brought a golf club but I don’t actually have much room to swing so i’ rather to to simulate a golf club we’ve got a head and a handle this is going to mimic a golf club and the whole idea of this exercise is if you get this thing swinging so that it’s swinging end over end like so and you just learn to react in motion and sequence with that thing get the club moving and then you move with the club and you can see I could do this for 24 hours even though I’m not in very good physical condition I could probably do this so that is that’s kind of it you would take you would take a a club with just just your right hand and turn it from end over end to end over end both ways in motion then once I’ve got the feel of that and what this is is look what I’m doing I’m not going anywhere the reason you know I’m not going anywhere is because I’ve been doing this for a while now and I’m still where I started if you do something for a long time and you’re still where you started you’re not moving and so just like in the transition when the club goes again the feet instantly respond okay it’s a very atic thing you know the ball ball and the feet and throw it okay so it’s it’s like the club and the feet then everything between the club and the feet is the rest of you responding Club let your feet respond Club let feed respond okay now I’ve got a swe now the personalization you should be able to do this one hand then two okay now I’ve got two hands right I’m going to get the the club moving okay like this and I could do this all day happily back and forth with the golf club here back to the top back to the Finish back to the top just keep going and I’m sequencing myself with the swing of the club the personalization of that is like Rory like Justin Thomas like Ricky fower like all these guys they’re trying to figure out what do I got to do okay so it’s how long do you delay your sense how long did you delay for your body before it takes over and then how long do you delay the sense of it coming on the other side it’s you learning to balance the golf club to understand that your main role is to let the clubs swing and you swing with it that’s your main role in this game and that’s my that’s my method in a nutshell it’s the most Junior lesson you’ve ever taken and I think that that Junior lesson that’s what I give to tour players it’s what I give to coaches it’s what I give to scratch players and beginners if you understand how goal swing works then that drill is enough for you to find your way Within that my question about the Baton Dr Drill and similar to this G drill or whatever it would would be that baton droll is a continuous motion and then you kind of join it but in the golf swing we’re going from like basically dead static to moving but we’re trying to make that more reactionary athletic and that’s no it is it is tough no it’s a great look again this is why I’m I’m enjoying our collaboration because you you do ask you ask all of the questions that I’m dying to answer but I don’t have in my mind to just answer them straight up right so this thing is that what you just said is how do you create that from nothing right well this is where it’s great to have the two ends which it is folded over because I can get that end going one way and as soon as I get that end going one way I can dynamically go the other way from the other end and now I’ve created that same thing without going anywhere and that’s where the rubber meets the road you just pointed you pointed to exactly where the rubber meets the road and that’s what the first video in my hidden fundamentals is about I said Sam I don’t care what Hogan’s secret was I really don’t the guy’s a genius he had it all figured out he didn’t really tell us but I can’t blame him cuz who wants to try to explain all this I mean look at me I’m turning myself into knots here trying to explain it you think Hogan would care to do that right so but sne sne deal there is if everyone can figure out how to start the swing like that and I’ve got a video on YouTube how to start the swing Bobby Jones Sam Sneed these guys were the P to resistance of how to start the gos it’s so perfect learn to balance The Swinging tool learn to because you’ve got to use this you want to hit the out of the ball you’ve got to use this tool you have to use it right so learn to use it learn to balance it and then figure out the rest because if you’re just sitting there trying to move it in a particular way you that’s not the answer it’ll never be the answer for anybody yeah okay thanks for watching everybody I have been really working hard putting out a lot of this content with Martin we have talked just over the last seven days or so we have talked for probably about eight or nine hours uh Al together and then a lot of messages and other things uh back and forth and it’s really really an interesting Journey trying to do something uh really simple but you’re trying to break some old habits and things and how to start the swing and then stay in continuous motion the entire time uh I’m I’m uploading all of these talks that we’ve been doing over like uh video calls he was in Australia then he was in a different part of Australia and now he’s in Japan and I’ve been uploading all these these talks and also all my range sessions as I’ve been trying to figure it out I’ve starting to uh uh it’s been a really exciting and interesting Journey for me as I’ve starting to hit shots that I wasn’t able to before in particular a dead solid push that was always the the shot that has plagued me I want to hit it just slightly right at the Target never having a fear of overdrawing and never pulling I want to hit slight pushes and I was able to start doing this using uh kind of this twirl drill the Baton drill I’m not good at that you just saw but I’m trying to get better at um I’ve been doing this other thing called the twirl drill I’m putting all this stuff up on the B better golf member side because it is like the fire hose there this stuff is I know really uh seems very strange to some people but this is what I would recommend just have some of these Concepts in your mind and this is what I did go to the range and don’t think about geometry at all your positions and the angle that you’re bringing the Clum in as well take a lot of Swings with your eyes closed and really just try to keep the force going the entire swing the same way that you do when when you’re doing these continuous swing drills it’s so interesting because Dr Quan who’s done all this physics work about the golf swing the number one thing he recommends is stage X which is continuous swings this is a bit different in how Martin’s telling you to do it but it’s funny that they came to the same conclusion click the Subscribe button if you want to see all this content that that I’ve uh put up on the member side click the join button down there it’s really inexpensive and uh it gives you like a ton of extra cont content especially stuff that’s like I want to put out there but I just don’t want to like edit it but it wouldn’t be healthy for the YouTube channel to put up a two and a half hour talk of this stuff uh but it uh it is really good for the hardcore people that want to get into it all right thanks for watching bye

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  1. I was the Director of Instruction at Mission Hills CC in Palm Springs and I’d been E Mailing back and forth with Martin for a while and he said he was coming to California so I invited him to come out,There was a few members who were outside the box thinkers and I’d told them about him and they watched his videos and were really into it,He came out and played golf with a couple of those members early and then put on a small clinic for 5 of us and In the evening my wife and took him out to dinner,I’m English and him being an Aussie we got on great he’s a great bloke and he absolutely flushes the ball,It was a very good day for all concerned and when it comes to the golf swing yes he’s definitely outside the box but I would say he has a beautiful mind….

  2. I had it then lost it and then shanked a jumbo bucket of balls. After saying the hell with it the next day I starting saying hit and go and I started nailing the ball and I felt the end over end. It’s like I was pressing the club in the ground and doing a whole body press. I have no clue why that was working. Best range session I’ve ever had.

  3. I finally think I understand his philosophy. Let the swing happen and the body react to the golf club (head) swinging. Sounds easy, but hard to do.

  4. Here's a question about the "baton drill". As it does when Mike Malaska performs a similar movement, as Martin Ayres is in what we'd call the "downswing phase" of the drill, as the club begins to pass his trail leg (right), the handle of the club appears to be tilting backwards as the head of the club moves forward. When I do the drill myself, it feels exactly as it looks. In my thinking, this look and feel are polar opposites to what goes on in my head when considering "shaft lean". It seems like the exact opposite to the DST clubs' intent.
    In comparing the "baton drill" to the DST approach, are these two very different ways of describing the same thing, or are these two very different methods for hitting a golf ball?

  5. This all sounds familiar. Another Holy Grail. I checked out his videos and it's a bunch of convoluted and abstract information that is difficult to understand. Of course that is my opinion. I understand some are commenting that they completely understand it. There are just as many, if not more, who are completely baffled. This baton drill seems like great information and, in my opinion, is the only thing of value. It also seems to be different than all of this steering wheel stuff. I'm passing on this series because I already know what the result will be.

    I like to tinker and like to try new things (we all do and that's why we are here), so I've been here before and it's all so de ja vu. I firmly believe that the right instruction has almost immediate results. You should be able to implement the information in a very short period of time without having to watch hundreds of videos. I think Overhand Golf's Holy Grail is in that category. I was able to implement it IMMEDIATELY and I keep coming back to it.

  6. I watched Martin's videos on his channel 1-30. Very philosophical til you get to 12 – The End Game.

    Game changer.

    Thank you, Martin.

  7. I’m a plus handicap, former competitive golfer and longtime student of the game. I’m all for new ideas and creative approaches. But I have no idea what this guy is talking about. He’s like an evangelist who speaks in code. I’ve watched several of his videos and could detect ZERO things I could actually apply to a practice session.

  8. This is quite similar to Malaska’s directing the momentum of the club, the Wisdom in Golf guys hammer 🔨 throw, etc. once you realize the companies who sell golf clubs spend MILLIONS of dollars 💵, every year, for engineers to design golf clubs that don’t need, want, or encourage YOUR HELP to use them you will be way ahead of most other golfers. The club faces WANT to turn over!! If you fight that. You’re fighting physics and you will LOSE.

  9. i believe he has something, but it sounds like gobbly gook. Get him to just talk in plain language on what we should do.

  10. Good God, what in the world? I mean baton twirling, stealing wheel gobble de gook lost me very soon. He doesn’t understand centrifugal force or centripetal. Think he’s so over thought the golf motion. He needs to read or study Earnest Jones, Manual de la Torre, Jim Flick and I think that’s where he’s trying to go. I think he thinks he’s had an epiphany that he can obviously doesn’t have the background to actually explain.

  11. I’m so intrigued that I’ve watched the video several times and while Martin’s philosophy can be hard to follow at times I’m drawn to the conclusion that it’s very much in line with many of the mainstream observations that BBG has brought to our attention over the years. When you break it down I really don’t think that what he is saying is all that different to what Lee is saying in the knuckle drill or Dr K is doing with the rope drills or the shurn drill or how Drew is in such incredible control by managing the forces that he produces by keeping his body one step ahead of the club. The baton drill is just a variation of all of the above so far from being ground breaking its very much mainstream. It’s marching on the spot. You have obviously spent several hours with him so I’m curious to know is there really anything fundamentally different to what all the other greats have been saying. Superb video – Tx.

  12. When I do what he says to do my swing looks ridiculous
    Like no one on the plant who can hit a ball looks like this

    When he does it it looks like I do when I swing the club back and forward like a normal human
    Therefore I’ve decided he isn’t doing what he is saying he does and that everyone should do .

  13. Martin talks the talk but I’m not sure he walks the walk. I’m bothered by the fact that he is steep coming down but his theories would tend to produce a more perpendicular shaft to the spine coming down. Can you play at a high level being steep? Absolutely look at Phil. But when you can’t do what you teach you lose credibility.

  14. He is horrible at explanation is the problem. It seems he believes in a looping approach to the swing like Matt Wolff which is why most good players start with takeaway outside in front of the body and then loop it down inside on downswing. He just tries to make it sound like he's a rocket scientist.

  15. I am realy impressed of YOUR way to figure out the secrests of the golfsving + thank u ^professor^for this interesting video. U never give up

  16. I think the key term to take away is "personalization" of how you start the swing and how you delay the down swing. That really clicked for me. Everyone will be a little different. After watching Martin on his channel and you interview with him on your channel it is starting to click. At first I thought I was doing a major Matt Wolf move. Then I watched myself on video and I wasn't even close to Matt. I almost looked perfect in the takeaway. As they always say feel and real are two totally different things.

  17. The only thing about most golf instruction is Blau Blau Blau… too much talky talk… show drills , show more drill to fill out YouTube no need to explain….

  18. Martin’s language is full of obfuscation. He’s basically advocating handle dragging in the backswing and dropping it under in the downswing. You can swing on a giant loop like Matt Wolf but you don’t have to do so.

  19. I have followed Martin for years. Difficult to understand but so simple once you get it. Basically, the club is in constant motion. If you combine Martin 's golf swing philosophy with David Weck's "Royal Coil" body propulsion method, you'll better understand "motion without movement" and bring that to the ball for every shot.

  20. I came across a random on this channel with Martin Ayers where he’s talking about a bicycle action it was like someone had hit light switch and I’ve played in the open . This guy is possibly golf’s holy grail!

  21. The problem I feel with this pendulum type swing is there's a number of movements and directions the club can freely take. And the head and/or body can move forward and up/down during this. There's much more to it than what he's shows here. The drill itself is great if you keep certain positions in mind, then watching your video to be sure you're not moving around the spot on the ground that the club should repeatedly hit. Half in from your spot on the ground the you're off means you didn't hit it solidly and lost either distance or direction. Maybe he explains more later.

  22. To me, this is very similar to David Lee's gravity golf.He calls it the heave or first release.And after that the club basically is in the state of freefall throughout the swing and the counter fall just clears the swing on the turn. Martin is right with him, just different vernacular and methodology .

  23. The baton drill flicked a switch in my swing and understanding. Im striking it with pure centered strikes, the ball flight is straighter, all without loosing club head speed. I would love to meet Martin to thank him.

  24. Brendon, I sense you are having almost as much difficulty understanding Martin's descriptions as most of us. It would be so helpful if an excellent communicator who understood and believed what Martin is trying to convey would break this down for us! Milo? Malaska? Dana Dahlquist?

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