The Club Fitting SECRET Ben Hogan And Lee Trevino Used For Legendary Ball Striking

Did Ben Hogan and Lee Trevino master this club fitting secret for legendary ball striking? Chad Dietz of Foreward Golf returns to reveal!

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In our 2nd episode with Chad from Foreward Golf we look at the clubs and classic movements presented in the Ben Hogan golf swing and Lee Trevino golf swing, and how they correlated for these two elite ball strikers. What you may not have known is that these two legends played somewhat similarly designed golf clubs, specially designed irons that we estimate 99% of golfers don’t use today. For our discussions we focus on lie angle and sole design. What’s more, these irons created a pathway, and essentially incentivized these great swingers to move in a particular rotational fashion. With this in mind, perhaps this should have been one of the Ben Hogan Five Lessons? We thank you for watching and look forward to your feedback!

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could this be the clubfitting secret that Ben Hogan and Lee trino used for ball striking [Music] greatness so I’m back out here at beautiful Superstition Mountain with Chad Deets from forward Golf and today we’re talking a little bit about Ben Hogan Lee Travino and some of what they did with their golf clubs to strike the ball like almost nobody in history has there’s no two better swings that I can think of that I like to watch on video yeah they’re amazing absolutely tell us a little bit about their golf clubs what was unique about their clubs yeah so some of the studies that I’ve done is it seems that a lot of the guys in that era but specifically them played golf clubs that are very flat L angle and when you look at some of the movement patterns that they do it kind of makes some sense really shallow it in transition have a lot of a heavy pivot in the golf swing handle nice and low an aesthetic that I like to see in a golf swing I know you like that look in a golf swing love it and uh there’s a lot of kind of interesting arguments to you know not only that they played flat clubs but like what is the advantage to a flat golf club we were having an interesting conversation a little while ago and you made a comment you said if golf clubs could talk what would they say yes sir let’s go down that rabbit hole just a little bit so if a upright golf Club could talk what is it telling me yeah I would think an upright golf club is going to cause me to stand closer to the ball hands way more vertical and when I come and hit it I’m going to want to extend and try to get that toe back down into the ground try to get the club to lay flat yeah this kind of a look things that people struggle with all the time when I see a flat Golf Club you know everyone’s a little different but most people are going to stand a little further from it hands are going to sit a little bit lower and they’re going to stay in some sort of flexion and keeping their hand it’s going to promote them to move their body a little different flatter golf club club needs to work a little more around me Absolut Club that’s working more around me requires me to Pivot more and stay down more absolutely things I love in the golf swing 100% so when I you know started following things that I like to see in golf swings I came across this kind of idea and I would say that me changing the specs of my clubs into flatter lle C L helped me achieve some of the Dynamics that I was looking for all right so what I have here is I have a golf club that is 5° upright so this is going to be sitting right around 66° on the L angle and this club right here is 6° flat which is going to be right around 57° line angle so massively different what I want you to do is I want you to hit one shot with the upright one shot with the flat and let’s just see what happens here because there’s a few things that can happen these are seven irons yep standard seven iron now some people will grab this one and they’ll let the toe be way up off the ground okay Chad so I’ve got the five upright in hand let’s just kind of see what happens okay so first thing I notice for me I see that it’s not going to work but I’m just going to hit it and see see where the ball goes absolutely oh I almost shanked it I shanked it left he missed it left which is what we thought might happen now what’s interesting is again I think this has to do with you being a better player is you’re not going to let that club dictate your setup you’re saying Chad I’m going to set up to where I know I’m right and I can just see right away that club looks way too upright I know where I’m comfortable I’m comfortable setting up about right here and to me that it just looks like if I hit this golf ball the ball’s going to go over there yes it will which it does every time well what’s interesting is some people will grab that club and stand much closer to it and change their setup because they think like well isn’t the club supposed to lay flat so again a more uneducated golfer could grab an a upright golf club and kind of set themselves up into kind of a weird situation just to set up for it now here’s a flat Club so this one is six flat that’s six flat so these are 11° different on L 11° different yep okay absolutely so now immediately this one looks better but it looks more flat than what I’m comfortable with okay so I feel like if anything I’ll probably miss slightly right yep or hit it pretty darn straight yeah right at the flag stick so yes at a dress you could see that club just looked like it was hugging the ground there was no tow up off the ground at all but we also know that that shaft is going to have a little bit of tow droop in there so we do want to have a little doesn’t need to be perfectly flat on the ground there’s a little bit of wiggle room there um what we do is we play a simple game of better or worse when we look at the two shots you hit with the upright Club versus the one shot there which one do you think was better better the one that hit the middle of the face and went straight absolutely that’s what we want hitting the middle of the face and getting the good result is going to shed a little bit more light that your Club is performing the proper way now we got the golden ticket tell me a little bit about the golden ticket what is this thing so the golden ticket is a club that I’ve been experimenting with so there’s a few things that I know for sure about my game I’m flat L angle I’m low bounds I’ve been riding some prescriptions for good players who swing really fast for lightweight and not super duper stiff so I want to do my due diligence to make sure that the prescriptions that I’m riding can be played well so this is a club that I made it’s really whippy it’s really light it’s really flat and it’s got low bounce how flat are we talking that’s that’s about six flat so I’ve been playing six flat for you know about 8 to 10 years now and like I said as soon as they get a little too upright I I I get in big trouble let’s see uh that’s Tiger Strike that’s Tiger Strike that is Tiger stri now here’s an interesting concept so how many different ways can you match up a golf swing to produce a good shot infinite infinite I don’t know if it’s infinite but this is a matchup in itself if I give you a shaft that is super stiff and super heavy I might have to go flatter than if I do something light and Whippy because I’m getting so much it’s all about where we are impact with the Dynamics right where are we in that time and space so I’ve noticed that you can actually piece this together a little bit if I go with a real thick grip I might not have to chase it with as much upright again if I put too many things to move your ball to the right then you’ll just flare it to the right if I do too many things to correct your fade now you’ll just pull everything there’s a blend here well I’m two for two with your Club dead perfect makes you wonder right give you one more if he does three he’s going to have to he’s going to have to play ladies Flex or something I don’t know if I do three I’m playing ladies Flex is that what this is it’s pretty dang close what length is it standard length it’s overlength overlength overlength I play all my clubs overlength overlength ladies flex and six flat yes and it’s dead perfect okay well two of them were let’s see if we get one more oh that one went right okay let’s see where the strike was it was same place yes beautiful so there is a very nice strike ball went out to the right a little bit so again it’s just about a fine balance that makes me think well what if you just bent that thing just a hair there’s all kinds of that time I actually Swang full speed and it felt like the shaft wasn’t quite enough to keep I bet you a million dollars that’s the ball flight that you would see if it didn’t so it’s about finding that balance it’s about finding what works so I think what we saw with this golf club is it definitely favored the shot shape that you would prefer to see you know trino played a push cut where you know they both try to eliminate kind of the left- hand side of the golf course and when we’re fitting we’re looking for mismanagement so I think you know even though this last shot wasn’t perfect it did give you the shot shape that we’re expecting you to hit before you hit it so I definitely think that this is closer to being correct than that upright club we tried before Oh way closer y one of the most interesting things that I came I’ve come across is it’s what environment was Ben Hogan El trino playing in they played in a day where the club had designs Maybe didn’t have as much technology we could say maybe the sweet spots were smaller what about the golf ball it was soft and spinny soft and spinny and curved like crazy so you could hit it more crooked the rough was it harder conditions or you know usually the rough was a little bit longer back in the day from the videos I’ve seen the rough was longer the fairways were less manicured nothing was as pristine no not and and you weren’t making 30f Footers cuz you didn’t have rolling on a pool table so everything was suggesting that the score should be higher but yet those guys still figured out how to shoot 65 how do you you shoot 65 when you got no sweet spot on the club a ball that wants to curve the rough is longer and the greens are longer and bumpier you swing it really good you have to swing it better so the environment forced their swings to be better there was a there was more of a prerequisite back in the day to be a have a better golf swing and I think that’s where these flat line angles started to come from because there was just more of an emphasis to control your golf ball and I think that that’s where we started to see a lot of those guys in that generation play flatter Li angles because being being good off the tea and being good into the green was was much more important than it is today it’s not s wasn’t such a bomb and gouge game yeah today’s game has become more power and those guys were more Precision absolutely and I think when it comes to the average recreational golfer I think given him that Precision because we’re not going to play not everyone’s going to go play on TV but to go play better on a personal level to have that level of precision I think is what we’re looking for so the flat line angles inherently um I think produce better golf swings we see them from way back in the day because golf was I think a little harder back then and we’re going to rise to occasion CU that’s who we are as humans the moral of the story is you can talk to that fade but the draw doesn’t listen very well so something I would recommend all of you experiment with is Li angles and maybe a little flatter than you might think because that could feed into making your golf swings even better more rotary more around you keeping you in more flexion so you’re not standing up and having to raise that handle up to hit it straight absolutely if you if you guys are following along with what Milo’s doing and you guys are loving kind of what he’s preaching in the golf swing to really create a passive Club face with a lot of rotation I think you would be doing yourself a huge favor betting those golf clubs a couple degrees flatter because I think it’ll promote that motion itself I got to hit one more with that thing that’s pretty that’s pretty interesting that well so here’s what’s so this club droops so much that it’s actually not as long as you think it is it’s it’s actually becomes a shorter Club when when I hit it though only the toe hit the ground exactly so the heel never touch the grass the heel will the heel does not touch the ground with that golf club now so so so what’s interesting is that’s like if you’re not losing ball speed y angle’s free game yeah if I hit 120 ball speed with the upright one and 120 ball speed with this one just go off the direction of it flat stand wide yeah super flat you stand wider no just hit it normal I work good with FL h a lot of shots like that it’s hard to hit the ground with it try it again you’ll hit a lot of thin ones like that well he his Henry swing is is quicker transition than mine so he he changes I think that one’s my club yeah I would say me and you have a similar more of a similar transitional pattern where we kind of like float it and then let it fall uhhuh yours is just more it’s much more shallow just because of the depth of your arm you get your arm structure more in here and then go this way with it and mine’s up here it shallows out but it’s coming from up high yeah see the the look that you have that I I never get is I like hands out hands out club back yep Carl Peterson’s got my favorite swing ever I love his Golf Tiger Strike that’s the one Tiger Strike Tiger Strike are you kidding me sign them up sign me up for super soft yes sir hope you all like this video if you did like And subscribe come visit Chad and the boys over at forward golf to get you fit up equipment that’s going to be the best you’ve ever had and come visit us at Milo linesg golf.com where we can teach you to swing like an athlete Milo thank you so much for having me out it’s awesome