Austin Eckroat Talks His Big Year | NLU Pod, Ep 829

Coming off his first PGA Tour win and first Masters appearance, Austin Eckroat joins the pod to recap his trip to Augusta National, competing against Scottie Scheffler as a pro and during his junior career. We also cover his ascension up the rankings, playing into the Tour’s signature events, managing his playing schedule and life on the road, and a ton more.

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ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no langa podcast solah here got an interview coming shortly with Austin eot winner of the cognizant Classic this year just played his first Masters uh played at Oklahoma State secondy year player out on the PGA tour uh good to good to chat with him about his progression as a as a pro golfer getting in the Signature Events playing in his first Masters what it’s like to play Augusta all kinds of really fun stuff in this one been looking forward to to chatting with him for some time we are of course proud to say season 9 of tus sauce is presented by our longtime Partners at Precision Pro Golf new episodes premier every Wednesday night at 9:00 p.m. Eastern on the no Lup YouTube channel we traveled to Australia we will have episode three out this coming week as we make our way back to Melbourne play St Andrews Beach and lawdale lyx uh you guys know about the variety of no laying up designs they offer for the nx10 rangefinder they’re adding another 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nlu get $20 off without any further delay here’s Austin ecro all right I had not seen the little docu series you’ve done for the PGA Tour called the turn it picks you up last fall you’re coming off a miscut at the Shriners hop on a plane to Japan you don’t play great in Japan you’re not playing great at the time uh could you have pictured just a few months later around that time that you’d be a PJ tour winner and you’d be teing up in the Masters yeah it was a wild turn of events for sure yeah series we did in the fall was kind of fun you know the uh got used to a camera falling you around everywhere you went wasn’t as fun whenever they were falling me to the locker room on Friday afternoon after Miss cut but you know it’s just a cool experience and you know to look back and think that you know PJ tour winner like you said and um competed the Masters it’s just been a uh a crazy run you know happened quick but couldn’t be happier but it’s interesting a note I took away from that was you know we as fans you know we don’t get to watch every golf shot right we you know you you see the results and you know you’re trying to think who’s coming next what’s going on you look at you say you see Miss cut you think he’s playing bad he’s playing poor you walked off and you were like honest a positive takeaway like adjustments I’ve made in my golf swing are starting to pay off right and then that would that’s kind of like a I’m just kind of wondering in this learning phase and we we you know we we’ll Zoom back up to when you win a PJ Tour event but how how do you use the the PGA how do you use PGA Tour starts as a learning phase right of learning this new style of golf new competitive uh structure that you’re playing in yeah I mean what you’re saying like coach Bratton my college coach used to always say you know when you’re playing well you’re never that far away from you know struggling a little bit that means the same thing when you’re struggling you’re never that far away you know on camera it’ll look pretty much the same you know the swing everything’s everything’s there it’s just it’s a it’s a funny game during that time period like the game was close it’s what I kept saying you know I’m close you know it’s not everybody always says that though everybody always hear that yeah you do hear it but it’s so true because it’s just you’re you know you’re on a thin line the whole time of playing good golf and playing you know poorly and it’s just you know the difference of feeling comfortable over you know over the ball and stuff but the the swing is never too far away you know obviously sometimes it is but in that case it wasn’t do you adjusting from college to to PGA Tour do you I’m kind of wondering yearby year you know as you’ve worked your way up through uh through through status through the corn fairy tour and all that what do you when when you got out there and you got you had some starts as an Amer in tour events if I remember right as well um as soon as you see what goes on there how do you do you do you go back to the lab and you say all right here’s what needs to change here’s what needs to change like was that was there a wakeup call of any kind either from the comp uh competitive uh structure and and the guys you’re going up against or golf courses that you were playing that you were like okay here’s what I need to succeed going forward yeah I mean luckily I had you know teammates that in college that went out and had a me Med success so I kind of knew where my game stacked at that point um if they would have came out and struggled you know when they turned professional I been I got some work to do but um you know I felt like I played the US Open in 2019 as a sophomore in college you know I played some practice rounds with Dustin Johnson I played with Rory in a practice round I had some incredible practice round experiences and you know you don’t really think of those two guys as great chippers and to watch them chip around the green I mean they’re not considered anywhere near the best chippers and they were incredible around the greens and I think that’s something that you know I’ve gotten a lot better at I struggled when I first came out was just a short game you don’t realize how close those guys hit it from you know very difficult spots you know the way they set up PJ Tour golf courses you’re going to leave yourself awkward chips all the time and you know you’re watching on TV and they chip it to four feet you don’t think anything of it but it’s a lot harder to do than it looks like well how much of that too is is another thing we don’t really see that well in stats is like missing in the right place right I mean it seems like that that you know pins are pins find the corners on the PGA tour right and has there been a learning curve at all in terms of just understanding your shot dispersion and where to miss right yeah I think something that M cat Stone and I have done a really good job over the last year is we’ve kind of came up with a you know a strategy that works for us where when we’re walking a golf course he comes up with a number um you know on a short-sided Miss on the difficulty of the chip basically well what’s the difficulty of the up and down from the short sided Miss cuz sometimes it’s not that bad and you can attack the flag even in a you know if you’re having a longer Club in or anything but you know he’s got a good strategy to where he you know he has a you know it’s not always right you know sometimes it’s harder than than he thought it was but uh it’s worked for us really well over the last year it’s kind of when we started doing it you know I think it’s kind of limited those those just unforced errors that happen out there from the short side misses you know I think everybody comes up with their own their own little method that obviously improving the chipping helps that for sure well it seems like too it’s it there’s there is something to having seen uh Tour golf courses for a year right coming back and just like I’m sure there’s still times you learn a lesson of like gosh I I I I played a practice round I wrote it down I I should have known not to be here but now I’m here and I’ll never I’ll never make this mistake again exactly yeah and it’s just the also the familiarity of coming back to another place you know you know where player registration is when you get on site you know where player dying is you know where the locker room is and it’s just you know that first year it’s kind of stressful you know it’s just you’re not you don’t know where you’re going you don’t know where the putting green is when you get on property you know the so it’s just the the little things like that that you don’t really you know think of when you’re thinking of being a rookie but obviously you can look back on past experience too this year um I I said we were going to get into it later but the cognizant for a good example I missed the cut last year I didn’t play I hit it in all the wrong spots so I knew exactly where not to go going this year so it was a you know just simple things like that looking back you know you try not to think about all the PO shots you hit but you know we not to go anymore so well that’s why I found that that that rewatch interesting is it’s a lot more weeks on tour like that docu series you did are like that than people are going to know you a lot more from from uh watching in the back n of the cognizant well it was a Monday finish I I hope people were still able to watch but I don’t think so it made it challenging for us that that’s work exp they got to work work through the course of the week but so you show up to cogniz the week you missed the cut the week before is it a golf course that you know should I I don’t know how analytic you are about stats and and course fit and things like that should in your mind should it fit your game and and did you walk off last year saying like oh I should play well in this place and just didn’t yeah I mean when I think of my golf game I don’t really try to think of courses that suit it you know I feel like when you’re playing well you’re going to play well regardless where it is you know looking at that golf course it should suit my game pretty well you have to drive it straight you have to the IRS pretty well and um you know it’s what I did all week and but yeah I love that golf course I remember I played a junior been out there I played um I played a few times before and you know I really knew I liked the golf course but I played so terrible the year before but it wasn’t the golf course it was where the status of my game was at that point um so it’s just you know I try not to look into the analytics too much because I don’t want to come in with a negative mindset going into the week it this course just does not suit my game that’s a good point that’s a really good point did it I guess a long week like that rolling into Monday you know you’re in contention the whole time you’re in the lead is that a good thing like that it’s taking this long does it you know do you wake up Sunday thinking like all right well I you know or do you wake up Monday saying like all right well I thought Sunday was going to be the final day now the extra bonus day I got some nerves out I’m just curious if the length of that week would is something you think maybe end up helping you yeah I think it I mean obviously it was difficult on everybody that was trying to win so I think I handled it well so that kind of I guess could have been a benefit to me um it was it was tough though I mean to sleep on a lead technically for two nights in a row and you know I really felt it Monday evening whenever we finished up I was beat it’s funny both times I’ve been in contention on tour the byon Nelson and and um the cognizant I was there was rain delays and I was dealing with all that stuff and both times on the corn Fair tour I was in contention there was a rain delay in the final round so it’s like every time I’ve been in that situation I’ve had you know that experience to draw off I guess was you know having having rain and having weather issues so um it was a really cool experience and I’ll take a Monday finish every time if they go out you know that way but sounds like you like soft golf courses right all your contention is uh is on with in rain delays yeah no joke well there’s something too as well like Pro so much of pro golf is like dude you got you got to pick up your clubs you got to travel you got to like do what’s right in front of you the golf course might not be a perfect fit for you the weather might not be what you want the wind might not be what you want the grass might not be what you want you might not be on the right sleep schedule you might not have the proper rest but like that’s the part that the longer I cover this watching you guys go from spot to spot week to week that again watching you go Shriners to Japan land on Tuesday jet lag no you got to te it up Thursday man like it’s time everybody’s doing it but like it’s time you got to go do it me if if one little thing is wrong if you know if it’s 58 degrees instead of 65 I’m in trouble like you guys just pick it up and you just go that’s what’s been kind of fun I I think that was a hard part transitioning from college you know you just you know in Amateur Golf and and Junior Golf college golf you don’t play that many consecutive weeks in a row versus whenever you’re out here you play you know you’ll get on a run of playing six seven tournaments in a row especially as a rookie you get kind of used to it but it’s not it’s definitely not easy I remember I was playing you know that rookie category you’re the last three time three times out of your wave I started to play well and you get you can move out of that you know category and it was the week after the US Open and we were flying all the way to Connecticut so we’re traveling East and I had the first tea time at 6:10 so it felt like I teed off at like 3:10 in the morning you know it was just like I flew in Sunday night or I think Monday actually and had Tuesday Wednesday of prep and then it felt like I had a 310 tea time on on Mon on Thursday morning so it’s just it’s kind of funny how that stuff works out but you know you get used to it and um obviously it’s just part of the job how do you you you talked about learning some things about chipping what what did you did you go change anything after that do you work with anyone in particular like kind of what how do you improve uh you know in your in your short game and and uh do you feel like you’ve you’ve made strides in your short game for sure and I think statistically it says I have you know I think I was that first year when I was playing on sponsor exemptions if you look at the equivalent statistics I was pretty far back there um it was never a a strike issue you know I was it wasn’t an inconsistency with strikes or you know I caught him solid I hit you know I just wouldn’t hit him close and I think it was just honestly putting in time uh there’s not been a not been a whole lot of fundamental changes I’ve made a couple but nothing nothing dramatic and you wouldn’t even you couldn’t tell a difference the difference between 2020 and you know 2024 now on on camera but you know just the you know I’m putting in time and learning the proper shots and and you know controlling my spin better just the simple things that you know what make all the difference when it comes to you know hitting it to 4 feet rather than 2 feet that’s you know hitting it two feet closer you’re making 99% of your puts versus 90 you know it’s just it’s a huge difference that was one of the biggest takeaways I had from Reading Mark Brody’s book was like chip it close or it doesn’t matter may sound obvious but like there’s almost no point in chipping it to 10 feet of something like no might as well chip to 25 right like yeah over the course of time you’re not going to make very that many more putts from 10 feet compared to if you’re chipping it inside 5 feet like the difference that can make yeah which again come back to where you’re missing too because sometimes 10 ft is a great shot from around the green whereas you’re chipping straight up the hill the you’re just going to be able to leave it in easier spots yeah exactly yeah it’s just I mean that comes down to the course strategy getting the proper prep in you know that’s the hard part you don’t want to overdo the prep you know then be worn out on Thursday it’s just you got to find the good balance and that’s something that you know I think year two on the PJ tour you start to figure it out and I think that’s why you know this season’s just going a lot better than it was last season just you know the golf game’s not much different um it’s just understanding how to play on the PJ tour the most maddening thing too about is the good golf comes from like really boring Golf and like really safe shots into greens and not like it it it’s so frustr it’s not the way anybody wants to play it but it’s so true it really is it is I mean you look at the way scottty Sheffer plays golf it’s very very simple very you know he just hits the Fairway hits the green makes a putt every once in a while and wins the tournament by five Strokes it’s what’s it like to compete against that guy I’ve played against him for a long time my freshman year in high school or every year of high school but my freshman year we would go down to Dallas for our first two events so he was a senior my freshman year and I finished second to him twice in a row and those two events and then played get play together for a year in college um probably similar success he was beaten me by a couple strokes and I was I had Matt and Victor on my team so I was probably finished in fourth at best you know he’s always been fantastic and then I mean he’s hit a different stride over the last you know 12 18 months so that’s what I We’ve joked like we need to come up with like more creative ways to just describe how good he is and I’m struggling with it but it’s like you just you know you ask any any pro like yourself about it too it’s just kind of like yeah man I it’s really hard to describe it’s really this next level though I mean he’s gotten that appreciate almost no people don’t people at your level almost don’t want to admit it of like yeah I don’t know how we’re gonna beat that guy well it’s just crazy I mean I didn’t think he was playing RBC just cuz I had seen the coverage and you know Meredith was close to having a baby and then I see said Scott on nine fairway I’m playing my practice round he was just walking the golf course I’m like what the hell is he doing out here I had no I yeah no yeah now we’re playing for second sick no I’m just kidding but he uh it was funny that week too because he got off to a slow start I think he shot you know round par the first round and nowhere in the lead and then next thing you know four rounds later he’s just you know holding up another another trophy but like we were talking about he’s doing it in a simple way it’s not like he’s doing anything outrageous he’s not you know hitting it to a foot on every hole he’s just you know hitting the Fairway hitting the green and and making a putt every once in a while that’s how you play good golf can I say can you glean anything from that right I mean because he doesn’t he doesn’t possess like overly physical like the way tiger did it was just a way of like dude no no one else has that right and the way Scotty I don’t get that impression that people feel that way about Scotty like can you glean anything even at your level from from somebody that’s outperforming everybody right now at a totally different pace I kind of think that’s that’s what’s so impressive it’s not like he’s doing something that much better than everybody else you know he’s not hitting it way longer than everybody he’s not he’s not dominant in any one category he’s just very good at everything he’s just he does everything right he doesn’t make the mistakes that other guys are making I mean you’re playing four rounds in a row you’re going to make mistakes you’re going to hit it in four spots and he’s just not doing it and it’s just it’s so incredible I mean it’s you know you look back on the week and it’s it’s just you know he’s at 2200 and the rest of the golf course was playing to 17 under it’s it’s incredible the one that blew my mind was over the past 3 six and 12 months he is first in Strokes gain off the te approach and around the green over any period of time in all three things that aren’t putting he’s he’s number one over any stretch of time like it just uh just and now he’s starting to putt good too I know it’s scary it’s getting a little scary no layup is sponsored by FanDuel whether you’re playing golf or betting on it there’s nothing worse than first T Jitters but with FanDuel you can 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restrictions Supply C terms at sports book. fanduel.com back to Austin necro I I’ve heard guys say things like you’re they’re more nervous on a Friday near the cut line than they are on the back nine when they’re in contention now that you know you were in contention you you finished second at the Byron Nelson in 2023 you obviously won the cognizant this year one can you add any perspective into that because I I the color I hear is like yeah you’re playing well obviously when you’re in contention you don’t get as nervous but kind of compare the nerves of of of what that’s what that’s like because uh on TV sometimes it doesn’t look like you guys are nervous yeah I I’ve always thought Fridays afternoons are the most stressful day you know on professional golf Saturday morning you wake up and it’s like you know you get a you get a nice relaxing round you know you can just go play golf especially that rookie year I’d say you know more so for me this year I’ve been a little bit more relaxed on those Fridays just because you know how important those points are you need to make that cut your first year you need to you know when now I’ve got a win under my belt I think you know I’m able to take on more risk on Thursday Friday I can just try to go win golf tournaments now because I have you know status locked up it’s it’s a lot easier to birdie your last hole to win a golf tournament I think than it is to birdie your last hole to make a cut because one you’re playing great if you’re leading a golf tournament and your game’s in a good spot versus where you know when you’re fighting on that cut line something’s off you know it’s not the game’s not perfect that week you know but it doesn’t mean you can’t have a good week but something doesn’t feel great so it’s I mean making a bird in last little make cut is always always so difficult and it’s just a you know it’s just a stressful position to be in you know battling the cut line you know I think a good example is last week Chris C up and I played theer classic the other made the cut on the number I missed a little dinker on the the ninth hole for us to fall to eight under and then you know we ended up having a good weekend and finished 11th Place you know it’s just you know if you make the cut you know you’re in a you have a chance to have a good week and it’s just a Fridays are just stressful I say is there anything too I remember Brooks having a quote way back in the day of like when I was like trying to make Cuts I was right around the cut line when I was trying to top 25 I was right around top 25 when I was trying to top 10 I was right around top 10 like is there an evolution at all for you of like I just heard you say like Fridays are the most stressful like to me that sounds like oh gosh I am thinking about the cut when I te it up first day yeah exactly I mean when you know your game’s in a good spot you’re going to the week trying to win it you know and then but what’s funny about professional golf too it’s I remember playing a I played the myoba the worldwide Technologies event as a senior in high school or senior in college sorry not high school I was in like 10th place on Thursday but I was only two shots ahead of the cut line and it was like that Golf Course is super narrow and this is like one of my first experiences playing professional golf and that Golf Course is super narrow with if you miss it offline it’s it’s lost ball it’s gone forever it’s like man I’m one bad swing away from not playing on Saturday it’s um you know but you got to figure out a way to not think about that stuff and and like I said I think this season having the win under my belt now it’s just you know I’m not as stressed out on Friday afternoons just because I’m gon to be okay if I miss the cut you know it’s it’s it’s just a different mindset I think how long at what point are you thinking about all the all that comes with a PGA Tour win right and what’s like what is the number one thing right what’s when you go sign that car when you make that final putt are you like oh I’m in the Masters o two-year exemption o I’m in signature event like what what what is the thing that you’re like holy crap this comes with a win now let’s go yeah I think the biggest thing is the job security I have you know the rest of this season two years after that that was kind of the biggest thing you know especially just being young on the PJ tour it’s just there’s no you know guarantees in this line of work and and everybody says this like you truly people don’t have like the appreciation for how hard is just to keep your card every year like you’re an injury away from all of a sudden being on medical a couple months of bad swinging away from like wondering if you’re going to stay exempt like it’s so freaking competitive for those spots yeah that’s what I always I played golf with some of the you know veterans out here I played with uh Lucas Glover and Stuart sink and and uh San Antonio a couple weeks ago and Lucas Glover’s played like he’s made like over 500 cuts on the PJ tour it’s like he’s been on tour for over 20 years when I think of stuff like that that’s so impressive you know to have a career that’s that long obviously he’s won a few times and you know that’s given him status you know guaranteed but the maintain status for 20 years and competitive for that long I mean it’s so that’s you know just as impressive as a lot of other things I think that you know but it doesn’t get a whole lot of recognition for sure last thing before we get to the master is what you mentioned some adjustments you made to your golf swing like from you know and the numbers show out in terms of off the tea you’ve gained approach game you’ve gained what what are the specific adjustments and kind of what’s the process like of I’ve got status yet at the same time I want to make some changes to my golf swing and try to compete better how do you how do you go about that because I’m fascinated with the tug and the pull of of those relationships yeah um when I first came got on you know turned professional you know I was kind of a higher swing speed guy than I am now I was probably 119 Club speed you know 178 ball speed in that range if I pushed I could get 120 180 and then I just played so much I wasn’t focusing a whole lot on my body you know I was just you know mainly focusing on Golf and I just kept getting slower and slower and slower you know I got to a point last season where you know I was swinging at 112 miles hour with my driver and pushing barely 170 ball speed every once in a while and that just makes the game so much harder you know there was some errors in my swing the body wasn’t feeling great and I think this season you know starting back to you know the end of last season I really started putting a focus on my body and the speeds have been jumping back up slowly I’m getting closer to where I was obviously there’s been some fundamental changes I’ve made but nothing nothing really that serious it’s just you know with my body feeling better I’m able to you know get in the positions that I you know are able to create some power from the driving stats have gone up I think even last season with hitting slower swing speeds I’ve always been a straight driver of the ball and I was still pretty good driver on tour uh struggled with the irons a lot last season to see that stat kind of coming back that’s always been my strongest point of my game has been you know ball striking and you know I think with that coming back it’s it’s been a huge benefit to my game for sure when you say take better care of your body what’s what’s kind of the split there between say flexibility and strength right it’s it’s I’m guessing it’s not just doing curls in the gym like what’s what’s the relationship with but how you’ve taken better care of your body like translating to swing speed yeah I mean one I got back into the gym some some more curls were being done but not that’s not the main focus you I think that’s something that was great about college is we had such a structured program you know we had when we were on at home we had but you have to go there’s no you know we’re required to go then you turn professional it’s it’s all on your own you know and it’s easy to start getting a little lazy when it comes to that stuff but yeah a lot of flexibility work a lot of strengthening with Mobility but then also just a lot of just your traditional lifting coming back something I always did and I think that you know the strength itself self is a huge Improvement for Speed and then also just the flexibility I went and worked with Greg Rose at TPI facility and we did some evaluations and just to see where my body had you know started to get really tight I had no no mobility in my thoracic spine no mobility in my right ankle no mobility in my right hip no mobility in my right shoulder I had no Mobility last season in the right side of my body and we were able to um kind of diagnose that come up with a program to improve that and a month later I wanted the cognizant after seeing him so it was pretty pretty cool I’ve got a team around me now and we’ve got a good program and it’s funny I so the recovery trailers and the workout trailers at at um on tour that we have and we have access to them and they’re fantastic the first time I ever used them was at the Byron Nelson last year that was when I finished second so I’ve been uh taking advantage of all the all the stuff we have now but when I first got out there I was not I was just you know trying to figure out how to hit the golf ball further without doing anything about it well a few of our guys just did the TPI thing like a couple weeks ago and came back just waving about it four days later they’re like my glutes are still sore and I learned about all my deficien every everything you just described I laugh because it’s like oh yeah wait till you get to your 37 man like there’s a lot less hit Mobility going on on this side of the microphone uh so I can relate to that at least a little bit but gosh that’s that’s incredible that that the payoffs were were that quick and uh it’s got to be good for endurance too I mean in terms of like just weariness from the road and and energy to last all these weeks long like dud I come home from covering one of your guys events and I’m like a ghost the next week I’m so exhausted like how you guys pick up and and go and compete again the next week and then the next week is what uh remains have you have you learned much about that in terms of all right if I’m playing this many consecutive I’m taking this day off even if I’m in town for this event I’m not GNA do anything have you learned anything about that yeah mostly most of the time I take Monday off yeah um you know when I get to a new event unless I feel like I need to work on something maybe I’ll go out and hit some putts but you know for the most part I take Monday off it’s you play I just got off a run of four in a row and I mean it it beats you down I think there was a stretch last season where I maybe did 10 in a row and it’s just it’s a it’s a beat down if you play that much golf you know you don’t think golf is that much of a strenuous sport but just the travel and the wakeup times is something that I think’s kind of not spoke about is you know one day routine off at 1:00 the next day you tea off at 7:15 and you know you got that four o’clock wakeup call and the day before you could sleep in till till 9:30 if you wanted to and it’s just the I think just the inconsistency and your sleep schedule and all that stuff it just it wears you down a little bit so I think like this week I’m taking off it’s just every now and then you gotta you got to take one off and it’s finished second here last year yeah I know I know I was talking to uh lee Hodes about that um we were playing together forget where we were at but he said said um I was like we were talking about the schedule and if I played this week it’ been nine in a row I’m splitting up a two four we run right now I was like man but I really want to play Byron Nelson because I finished second there last year he’s like let me give you some advice just because you played well there in the past does not mean you’re gonna play well there again and I was like you know what it’s a good point so he he said uh I’ve done that before and when I’m three shots outside the cut line on Friday afternoon I was like why the hell did I play this week but that’s the worst place you can be is kind of in half out and then playing B of like oh man I just wasted so much energy with this but what uh so tell me about your first Masters you you uh you know again you win in February you make an do you make an advanced trip there had you been to Augusta you played it before like kind of kind of tell me about your preparation process and uh and I’m curious if you fell in the Trap of playing too many practice rounds at your first Masters like a lot of people do yes so I after I won I think I had I took off Houston and I went to Augusta National played two practice rounds that was my first time on Prop property was that time and um you know it’s an incredible place it’s it truly is you know one of the most surreal feelings when you walk on property so when I got to the week of the Masters I at least had the you know the familiarity of being to a place I’d been to kind of like you know the Comfort level of like I was talking about on year two on the PJ tour I didn’t wear myself out I played 9 n and n I did I did good of going 999 because I had heard of guys you know a lot of people told me don’t don’t overdo it the energy is so high like there’s so many fans out there and like you just it looks like the most fun thing ever you just want to play 36 if you could it’s interesting on like Monday you’re there they sell the same amount of tickets every day you know it’s just it’s like a tournament and what’s I mean on Monday I’m used to you know if I had if I had a terrible shot you know if I want to try out a new swing key for the week on the golf course I feel comfortable doing it if I hit up the the tree 100 yards off the te that’s all right but there it feels like you got to hit good shots off week cuz there’s people there watching and um you know it’s just a different it’s it’s it’s so cool though and I’m really I mean I played so bad just the whole week it was it was just it wasn’t like it was the you know the golf course was too difficult for me I just played terrible and it was just a kind of sucked because it was such a cool experience and I wanted to I wanted to play well so bad but you know I think that was part of the you know there was a fundamental issue that going into that week I was able to manage it and the lower stress moments the then I think kind of you know the anxiety of playing the Masters and I think just kind of exposed that flaw that I had and I was able to kind of get some work done on the week before or you know on Sunday when I left and um and I ended up playing really well at Hilton Head the next week it’s just it’s a funny game and you know it’s kind of I feel like the whole week of the Masters kind of feels like you’re playing the final round in the lead you know driving to the golf course I had that you know kind of not pitting my stom but you know that little anxiety driving the golf course just cuz you know I’m playing the first round at the Masters I’m playing the on Saturday at the Masters it’s just the or not Saturday I didn’t get to play but Friday at the Masters um you missed by one you didn’t play that Miss oh it felt like I missed by a 100 I chipped it so good I hit it terrible and puted it terrible but the chipping kind of gave me a chance so it looks like so much fun to play even I know you didn’t play well but like it honestly looks like Peak fun you could have in competitive golf even not playing your best did you would you classify it as fun oh yeah I had a great time and it’s so interesting how you can it’s unlike anything we play like you can get yourself out of position but then there’s this mound over here somewhere way far away that you can kind of bring it in there and give yourself a chance I mean it’s just it’s so different than our typical golf that we play you know I I’d heard about how how much slope there is out there and how you know TV doesn’t do that justice so I came in with the mindset of that so I wasn’t so much surprised by that but I was shocked when I got on the greens I mean they are I’ve never seen that much slope on a green in my entire life and that’s every hole and then you get to whole 12 and it’s dead flat it’s it’s interesting how it’s just you know you you get on a whole one it’s like man if I hit this beyond the whole by 20 feet long right to the front left pin that looks like it’s right where you want to hit it but now I’ve got a putt that I’m playing 12 feet outside right break and straight downhill once it breaks I mean it’s I think that’s the most difficult part about that Golf Course is the you know obviously people talk about how small the landing zones are because if you miss the landing Zone and you’re still on the green one you’re still out of position it’s it’s so cool that’s what uh I I mean I’ve I’ve you know obviously watched a ton of Masters and I was fortun enough this year I won the lottery to get to play the course on the Monday afterward and it was so uh like I got I I the Sunday pin was like the left side on the third green and I was way out of position off the te but I could barely get one on to the right side of the green and I had this putt that I was like I’ve never seen this before anyway like you know like you’ve played greens that tilt from Back to Front you don’t I’ve never played one that tilted from right to left that hard and just had these elements of of you know I don’t know how to describe it other than like every hole you finished you’re almost like ah I want to do it again because I would know if I was 10 yards further left this spot I could hit it here and I’m now I’m hitting back up the slope and all this and I it was like even only playing it once was like holy crap this is what everyone talks about with like learning this golf course and seeing it in competition and like why the first- timers don’t win like all of it like came to fruition in just one round of like this is exactly why and it felt fun too it’s like the best way of getting your ass kicked yeah like I think three green so cool how that front left section it’s slop so hard right to left you know if you’re right at the pin it’s straight downhill but then also so that’s a little turtle shell right there too like if you get it too far right then it starts breaking away I think you can I think so crazy about that place and so cool is you can hit a putt that is three inches from being a tap in and you can just completely embarrass yourself if it goes on the other three on the other side because it’ll start breaking the other way it’s what I think is awesome too is like on the par FES if you’re out a position you have to lay up like how the fairways are huge on the layup options like 13 and 15 you’ve got 100 yards but you have to hit it the small sliver to have a chance to go out the pen you know like on 15 to that that you know that Center pen you try to lay it up as far left as you can get it as close to those grand stands on the left side but the other time you’re aiming 100 yards right of that to the right side of the Fairway to get the angle into the left pins it’s such a cool place because it’s kind of wide but it plays so small people G I already did a two-hour podcast talking about my whole round but it like the shot I spent the most time on was I was in the left trees on 15 and figuring out where to lay it up and I ended up I had that Sunday pin I played it down the left and it left it in this awesome spot I’m looking right up up it but then it was like all right if I overspin this it’s coming back in the water and if I don’t get the spin I’m expecting it might go long onto that back Fringe and it’s not coming back and that’s death and it’s just and then you’re chipping it in the water exactly it’s just like holy crap the layers upon layers of that place and uh but you can also see like guys like tiger that have learned their way around it and know how to play the slopes and know like the back of their hand and know all four pin positions and know where to miss all four uh you know with just this it’s that’s in your memory you can totally see how you can just gain you can be a horse for course for that place uh for sure yeah it’s interesting like we have the same exact yardage book the same guy makes our yardage book every week you know so we get really comfortable with how our yard book layout is you know we got takes me two seconds to get the number to the front of the grain into the hole and where the the slope is you know every week on tour it and um you get there and the yardage book is very minimal there’s not a whole lot of information on it there’s no slope you know there’s no adjustment for anything and you know you don’t get lines off the tea there’s no run out lines it’s just you get this book with not not much information kind of your job to kind I think keep the same book over the years and and just make sure you have all the same information and get your run out lines and get you know past experience on that book because that book is just doesn’t have much well then it’s also another layer of you tell me do you guys practice this stuff or do you have this information like all right the shot into nine off the down slope it’s coming out of a different window is it going farther CU it’s going also going up the hill shot into two yeah if it’s launching lower is it going to carry farther is that going to all of this and hey if you’re wrong by just a couple yards you’re on the wrong tier of the green and you’re toast like that’s it’s such an exact science someone asked me about you know when I went and played those two rounds before during the week of Houston was what was my like take on the golf course and I thought there was probably four or five holes that were exactly what I thought they were and then the rest of them were completely different than I thought and whole nine was definitely one of them it’s shocking how much that green sits at like you know this angle it’s not it kind of just looks like you’re hitting up up a hill on TV you know that those bunkers are kind of left no you’re you’re taking it over those bunkers off a cut downhill eye so green that wants to take a draw you know it’s just it’s it’s the perfect design it’s you guys puted 40 mph winds in it too that was just yeah I had a constant Sandstorm on 18 when I was putting out it was just blowing straight in my face everything up at that top spot 9 and 18 and the 10 and one T’s was just like holy I know they did a great job on TV like illustrating how much the wind was blowing but even then people’s hats were flying off I mean it was I’ve never oh I’ve never seen at a golf tournament I’ve atted in person I’ve never seen win like that it was insane yeah we were talking about I live in Oklahoma I me we get wind and I I was telling Stone whenever we were playing the on Friday I was like I think if I was at home I probably would have taken today off like I think this is this is borderline too much wins to where I wouldn’t have have gone and even played so is it you know with the win now you’ve played in a masters I’m wonder what your do your goals change for the rest of the year like do you have is there anything that’s dangling that you’re like all right if I get this the rest of this year is going to be pretty good I might have a guess as to what that might be but what what would that be I kind of got two things that I really really want to do I want to make like you know it’s kind of and then you’re 30th right now for the listeners yeah I’m on I’m on the number I’m the I’m the bubble guy right now I I think it’d be really cool to play the resident cup obviously I think that’s I think and I think last Ridder cup kind of maybe helped that case somehow you know taking a young guy that doesn’t have a whole lot of experience you know the European team did that and they had a lot of success and I hope you know kind of you know for my sake I hope they kind of have the same mindset this season and getting involved in those those team EV seems so fun what were your opinions on the uh on the Signature Events both before you were in them and now that you’re in in them what’s your opinion on yeah it that’s changed yeah I was I mean it’s funny I mean I I was kind of against them whenever you know I was on the outside just because you know it seemed like if you were in them how how can you lose your card how can you do any you know there’s more points there’s more you know all that stuff and now obviously when I’m in them hey hey I love them they’re great but but you know I was kind of always where you know I think obviously play for more money that’s fine no big deal I was I was just upset with how much how many more points they got you know just for those events but now that I’ve played in a couple I mean they’re so competitive there’s you know it is the top 70 players in the world I mean they’re like I played pretty well we were talking about it in Hilton Head and I finished 17th I think I was like man I feel like I played kind of like I would have finished 17th in a full field event with a full 156 person field I still felt like that that’s kind of what I would have finished you know you’re just playing against the best players in the world and it’s it’s hard obviously not too hard for Scotty but but hard I was G to say your your case though almost it makes kind of my position on it feel a little stronger and that like hey play good golf you can get in them right I mean like it’s almost every the part that makes it hard is there sponsors exemptions a few sponsors exemptions other than that you’d say like it’s not a pip it’s not a popularity contest it’s if you played great last year and you’re in the top 50 you get you get into all these the next year and you know they’ve modeled it out we’ll see what it ends up shaking out at is how many people fall out how many how many people get in but it would be a problem if you guys like you that were had you know didn’t have great weeks and and play their way into them were not able to to get up into them and and compete in them and uh if it was they still given out what is it 15 spots every event for the guys who were playing well that season that’s a lot of spots yeah you know you got the is it the next 10 and then the swing five is that I think that’s how they they phrase it and you tell me I’m confused sounds right I think that’s how it is I think there’s you know there’s 10 spots for the you know the next 10 guys on the FedEx Cup and then there’s five guys from the most recent events you know so you know there’s still a way into them and if you’re playing well you’re going to get into them and uh it’s uh but they’re really fun and that the events really really are taking good care of the players and I mean it is the best players in the world again this is all this stuff is new to you and you’re kind of entering a very a changing landscape here but the equity that was just doed out to to PGA Tour players and kind of this dangle that out there now to say like $100 million is going to go out annually to to 20 guys and and the the opportunities for future ownership of PJ tour Enterprises you’re young so if that stuff is is you know maybe not I don’t want to say over your head but not on your radar okay I was gonna say like is it on your radar at all or you just like dude let me just play golf we’ll figure the rest out I’ve been that way this whole whole time period really just you know just play golf I it’s it’s over my head I I can understand it but you know I just I don’t think it’s you know it’s I don’t want it to be my main focus you know going out there I just when I get to play play well that’s kind of was always what we said whenever I had conditional status on the corn fairy tour two seasons ago was you know if I get an opportunity to go play well and it’s I’ve just kind of kept that same mindset um obviously there’s a lot of great things going on you know more money being being involved in the game and um you know luckily I’m in a time where I’m going to benefit that and uh the better I play the more whatever you know I’ll gain more and that’s uh you know just kind of keeping that same mindset though for I you know put my head down and play while it’ll work out okay I always wondered this like of how are you are you 25 you’re 25 25 yeah like if I if if I have had uh a million bucks million plus bucks hit my bank account at age 25 I’d have done some dumb stuff I just I just I just would have what what is it like to have you know so early on in your career just like have financial success is it does it Chang anything about your lifestyle have you have you just I’m just always curious how that that works for young guys not really I mean it probably a benefit that I was playing the next week and the next week after that to where I didn’t you know as soon as I finished and when I won I went straight to um I drove Monday evening to honoral Palmer and then you know I wasn’t in the Wednesday pram so I had to play 18 holes on Tuesday to see the golf course so it was uh and it was just a beat down that week that Golf Course was so hard and then I went to the PLAYERS Championship so it was like never really had a moment for it to sink in we had when I got home we had a the Golf Club I play at Oak Tre National had a party for me and it was like uh it almost felt a little too late you know at that point but it was still fun but um yeah just I think that you know obviously it’s great to play a sport and to have it be you know my income and be the way that you know support my family and stuff it’s it’s cool and and all but I try not to focus on that aspect too much yeah yeah no that’s that’s probably the most certainly the right mindset but what uh what’s something something that’s surprised do about tour life I want you to give me one OnCourse thing one off course thing of something that you maybe just didn’t know about tour life uh kind of putting you on the spot with this but I’m sure you come up on the golf course I’d probably say man I have no idea man on the golf you kind of answered it earlier with the chipping like some of the chipping stuff the chipping yeah if I was talking about just like the skill level of the guys and I I’d say main thing is you know how many different games there are yeah you know and a lot of guys like you know when you’re playing college golf you think everybody on PJ tour just stripes the you know absolute [ __ ] out of it and they just you know a lot of guys don’t and they’re just good they just manage their way around the golf course and you know they hit it good enough and they they chip it good enough and put it good enough and it’s i’ I’d say that’s what I was most surprised about is just how many different levels of the game of golf there are and that we all shoot the same scores someone excels in this someone excels in something else and you know there’s just so many different ways to do it and then especially with distance too there’s guys hitting it so far and then there’s guys that just aren’t very long but they’re really good with their long irons and they it’s just a there’s so many ways to play this game do you ever get tempted by other people’s styles of of like gosh I’m making this he makes he does this way more simple you know I’m I’m trying to flush everything here but he’s kind of slapping it around I I’ve heard of guys going through that in early years too of like just almost impostor syndrome of of other other playing Styles yeah I was doing at Hilton Head I I was hanging out with Lucas Clover and he said we’re all we’re all just a bunch of coffee cats and it’s so true and I kind of show with that last season where I kind of like to work the ball both ways and hit it you know hit up bring the flight up bring the flight down try to hit a shot every time and then you’ll see you’ll play with a guy that just cuts it every single time you know Only Hits cuts and I’m like then I start thinking man am I G to be more consistent if I just start hitting one ball flight and then you know then I’ll try it out and you know play well or play terrible but then you know kind of go back to the idea that we all do it our own way um but I think Lucas Clover is exactly right you know we’re all we’re all a bunch of copycats you know you’ll see some guy doing some drill on the putting green and next thing you know you’ll see three guys doing it the next week um because that guy played well it’s pretty funny trying to think of my off the- golf course off the- golf course thing that surprised me I mean obviously the travel I I just have to go you know growing up you college golf you played every once in a while and like I was saying earlier amateur golf you play every once in a while and then you play four weeks in a row and your job starts Monday it’s not like we start on on Thursday when the golf when the tournament starts so it’s a it’s a full week event and um does your wife travel with you too she goes to probably nine out of 10 or I mean she’s she’s there pretty much every week and she’s on the the tour wives board now she’s she’s full she’s full in now well that’s another just element too of just arranging travel for two people when you got to change a flight two people and go to Monday finish everything CH like it it is uh I know they got people that that’ll help with those kind of things but that’s the stuff that uh you know people don’t don’t really think about that often but right what uh kind of working backwards here we didn’t really start with background we had so much recent stuff for you to cover but um kind of give give me an idea of of how you end up at Oklahoma State and kind of what your your Junior career was like and I know a lot of people you know know you from those famous Oklahoma State teams and and who you played with on those teams but uh kind of the the path to getting there and I’m curious kind of what that team environment was like to and contributed towards your pro success right yeah I mean I grew up an Oklahoma State fan me and my dad used to go to pretty much every football game growing up and would go to the you know every time Oklahoma State hosted a regional or something like that we’d go to the event you know I always wanted to play there and you know I was fortunate enough to to be good enough to go and play and then also to have great teams when I was there was just awesome we had a really really close team Matt wolf and I were best friends and we still are now and uh you know Victor and I are really close Zack B and I play golf together pretty much every day I’m home Chris vur haven’t stayed as much in touch with as I’d like but he’s in Florida and I’m in Oklahoma so Sam Stevens who’s now on the PJ tour and you know we got several guys on the corn fairy tour right now trying to battle it out and one of my teammates is now the assistant coach at Oklahoma State we’ve just I’ve got them all over the place and luckily I’ve stayed in touch with most of them but we’re all trying to do our own thing we’re playing all across the world right now and um you know got guys on the challenge tour DP World Tour you know live golf PJ tour it’s just a that team was incredible and it was just such a fun experience to be around I had two great golf coaches and for us to win the National Championship in 2018 at home was one of the you know still probably the highlight of my golf career so far was just because it’s such a cool environment winning winning with your boys and you know just and at home with everybody watching it was it was so cool well yeah it’s it’s it’s wild too just thinking yeah I was I’m cuur I was curious to ask like if you you’re playing with Matt and Victor in college obviously and seeing them like are you know you you beat them plenty of times and but if you end up as the number you know kind of number three guy I guess behind those two there’s there’s an element of them raising your level of play and competitive you see this day in and day out or at the same time like is it discouraging at all to see these freak talents right directly next to you the whole time I’m wonder what that kind of relationship was like I think for me I’ve always felt like I was just one step behind like I wasn’t far I was just one step behind and I knew that once I made that jump I could you know be doing what they’re doing and I think a big Comfort to me too after my sophomore year when they both turned professional was their immediate success if they would have gone out and struggled and they were clearly better than I was in college I would have been you know I would have like I think I mentioned it earlier but I would been like man I got some I got some serious work to do I and um but to see them go and have immediate success and like I knew my game was close to theirs and I just needed to make you know a couple small steps and I would have been there and um you know that was a huge Comfort level for me because I knew I could do it they were doing and it just you know but to see them have success was was the Comfort level for sure but like as you were asking the the Beatdown was getting annoying for sure I think my sophomore season I think Victor won four times Matt won six times and I won once and I won once and Victor wasn’t playing that week so Matt finished second though so I did beat Matt at that age like at that like phase of of like kind of golf development are you learning things specifically from them I know it’s the P copycats like and I’m just kind of curious as to what for me personally like playing with good players is just totally change transform my game over the course of like a two-year period of just like when you watch three dudes just hit these Stripes you do your instinct is just like okay I’m gonna go do that versus there is something to golf of playing down to your competition and uh I’m just I’m I’m curious kind of what those uh what those what some of those things you would have either learned or gleaned from them in those times yeah hey it was fun too because I did it a different way yeah you know two very unique golf swings won you know they they had you know Matt’s the big loop and hits at a mile and then you got Victor who’s just you know very consistent and hit it he hits it further now than he did then you know he’s continued get getting longer and longer cool to see like what I was talking about earlier on the PJ tours you know there’s two they had two completely different ways of doing it and we doing it really well and then you know I I did it a different way from them as well and you know but you learn a lot from playing with them just yeah like you said you play up to your competition and you play to the your competition it seems like you know I’ve gotten in several match play scenarios where it turns into a pillow fight pretty quickly because we’re both playing poorly but you know if you get in a match play situation both guys are 600 you’re just going crazy and winning uh and making birdies but I think every day going out we you know play little matches and you know that was such a big benefit for me for sure I’ve heard you be described as a a very confident person but has no ego I’m I’m wondering what your uh what your relationship is with with like the mental side of golf like a sport that will beat you down this hard how do you stay confident and kind of what your relationship is with with confidence and how that lead leads and breeds to good play right that’s a cool that was a cool exp or not explanation but you know describing feature that’s uh you know I think with the with golf I’ve got a pretty good mindset I think I’ve got a Goode on my shoulders I’ve never really got been a guy who uh loses my mind out there or gets too up I’m never too High never too low and and I think with the confidence level I think you know I put in the time you know I practice you know I I really feel like I put in the proper you know work ethic and preparation and I’m able to get out to a tournament and know that I’ve done the work now it’s just now I just got to perform you know I’ve always felt comfortable in the situation of being under pressure I think that’s whenever you lean back to that preparation and all that stuff and me just not ever losing my cool out there really keeps me in that that same mindset but I’m that way in every aspect of the life too I rarely ever ever get mad and I think that’s kind of a benefit towards you know my mental state all around but you know not on the same side I never get two up so just really mow out there keep it calm and I think it’s cringey when guys throw fist pumps unless they’re winning you know but stuff like that so just different stuff but tell me about Stone uh your your your caddy you’re as I understand a long time longtime best friend is I also understand it stone is his real actual actual name oh yeah yeah St Stone and I have been best friends for shot probably upwards of 10 years now 12 years now and um it’s funny how it worked out we never planned on him cading for me you know it was just he CED for me every once in a while in amateur events and then I played myova that I brought up earlier in my senior year of college and um asked if he wanted a cad we finished 12th so you know I was like oh maybe we should consider doing this you it’s been a really fun fun journey I mean golf’s a lonely sport especially if you don’t have anybody out there with you but you know my wife travels like I said nine out of 10 weeks and I got my best friend on the bag and my dad’s my swing coach so it’s just a a full-blown I think it’s huge for me just with having people around me that I that I trust and and that are supporting me 100% And um you know St and I have got a great relationship he’s might be yall’s biggest fan the no Lup podcast he uh whenever we I think we were at Pebble Beach and we were I think he saw you at Pebble Beach maybe in 2021 or 2022 were you guys out there by chance I uh yeah I got played 2023 and we were here we were there this year I wasn’t there in 2023 maybe it was it might have been a different tour I forget where it was but he he was nervous he saw you guys and got nervous he was goingon to say something couldn’t do it I was like dude you’re around celebrities all day long like we play prams he’s like he’s like yeah but like I listen to those guys all the time so it’s was pretty funny and uh so he you guys are the only guys I’ve ever nervous so I don’t know how that makes me feel that that makes me feel a little uncomfortable but tell us about Sally too you guys are uh as I said you long you’ve known each other for a very very very long time reconnected later in life is that right yeah so Sally and I later in life you’re 25 there is no later in life later in life yeah no so we we went to the same it’s like Mother’s Day out you know when we’re under two years old our families were really close we stayed in touch till we were you know nine or 10 stuff happens you know they moved cities and um I went to public school went to school in in admond and you know our family just kind of grew apart nothing bad happened just you know growing up sure and um we hadn’t talked for 10 years or so and we rekindled between sophomore and junior year college and uh pretty pretty quickly we kind of realized that you know this is going somewhere and um like I said a blessing to have her with me the whole time just cuz it’s a lonely journey and and she’s the best and um it’s just been a really fun Journey for us too fantastic I love it yeah well right we appreciate you spending uh your one off week with us uh you here as you as you get ramped up for for four more and we are are appreciative of uh or congratulations I guess on on all your success and uh keep it going man this is it’s exciting to watch and uh uh at least we know not to not to follow any course history for you for anyone that’s trying to I’ve always you’ve always been in my a lot of my picks as we’ve made over the years I never know when you’re going to play well it’s good to know also it’s just all over you don’t know you don’t either I don’t know either that’s one tick away I’ll have but yeah we make the joke a lot uh I’m either going to have it or I’m not going to have it that’s simple as that that’s a great way to play pro golf though like yeah it is solo Fifth and a Mis cut is better than two t 45s it it really is it is it is it Absol it’s got to be that’s got to be a hard thing to learn I would think of like it mentally it’s a lot better to make a lot of cuts though I’m sure you feel better about yourself yeah but whenever you look back on the season now those those fourth and fifth are the top 10 are really all that matter all right we’ll keep hoovering up those points in those Signature Events now that you’re in them and uh and we look forward to let’s do this get down the road really appreciate your time yeah thanks so much yeah enjoyed it cheers for FanDuel you must be 21 and older 18 and older in DC and present in select States FanDuel is offering online Sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC gambling problem call 1800 Gambler or visit fanduel.com RG in Colorado DC Iowa Michigan New Jersey North Carolina Ohio Pennsylvania Illinois Kentucky Tennessee Virginia and Vermont call 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