Interview pt 2 with Anton Wass, CEO Stark Future

0:01 Gypsy 500

2:30 Racing mode beta

5:58 Subscription model

10:28 Reverse mode

11:22 Customer support in the long run

14:42 Relations with other manufacturers

18:37 MXEP and racing electric

25:32 Factory rider Eddie Karlsson

27:02 Electric clutch and brake

31:44 Brembo rear brake master cylinder

32:40 Question from viewer: Road legal MX model

33:20 Question from viewer: Bike theft protection

35:28 Question from viewer: Throttle tube

35:58 Question from viewer: Safety lanyard

38:31 Question from viewer: Kids bikes
@killianlap

40:30 Question from viewer: Royal Enfield and Dual sport / adventure models
@kensthorne7060

41:19 1 year anniversary since first customer delivery

42:07 Over 5000 bikes delivered

44:10 Question from viewer: New battery technology
@babaaurom

45:34 Question from viewer: Lightweight battery
@crosstrainingenduro

49:30 Any regrets

50:31 Warranty

uh nice to talk to you again Anon what have you been up to since last time we spoke uh a lot good to good to talk to you as well yeah I mean we’ve been working hard here in the in the factory and uh been scaling up the production which has uh you know always is a new challenge every day of course and uh I had the pleasure to go visit um some of our team in us some of our dealers and uh we also participate in a race called Gypsy 500 in Utah so that was really a lot of fun to to ride some barg in the desert in US was a cool experience and uh yeah now back here and uh you know trying to uh continue becoming a little bit better every day together with the team and yeah it’s it’s it’s intense in a good way okay great you have to tell us how did the race go Gypsy 500 it’s pretty cool so uh 500 is is because the race is 500 minutes long and um there then you are four people in every team so so uh I think there were 200 teams in total so around you didn’t have to be four Riders there was actually some crazy guys doing the whole 500 minutes uh themselves uh so that’s eight hours and um there were three V teams actually so one was the Gypsy team which was the uh Gypsy Tales uh guy Jay as well as uh uh his brother and a guy called Steve and me and uh done two customer teams as well and and the remaining 197 teams were gas teams and so it was basically like a 10K or seven or six mile long uh track where of like maybe 80% was just sand in the desert so you know got extremely rough I would say with you know huge breaking bumps and 20% the S the track was like a hard pack motocross track with some nice uh jumps on it so it was uh super fun we did uh like one lap each one lap was 15 to 20 minutes and then we swapped you know every lap and uh it was cool to see that um you know the bike could do it and we charged in between the Heats for everyone and uh yeah we kept on riding for for eight hours so it was super fun and super hard yeah I I guess everyone have seen you pulling a wheelie I hope so CIT as we say in Swedish yeah you know it’s my only skill so I have to use it as as much as I can also uh last Friday You released an updated version of the app and I think it was a bet for U the race mode yeah yeah correct so um you know a huge challenge for us has been to um work with all the federations across the world to allow the electric bikes to race in the same class as combustion and uh you know why is that important well you know mcross uro is really a community sport so you know there’s a lot of sport where it’s only high level like Formula 1 MotoG GP uh and and you know similar sports to that NASCAR and so on where there are quite a few people competing and it’s all you know really high on teams but in Motocross and uro you know the vast majority of everyone competing is just normal guys like you and me that that race for fun and um I think it’s important that you want to be able to continue to race with your friends shouldn’t matter if someone is riding a two-stroke fourstroke or an electric bike you know let’s let’s ride together and uh and have a good time so so that’s been a focus from us since we started the company and um we had discussions with federations quite early on and came to conclusion with some of them that you know the most important thing is to be able to compete at similar terms so yeah you know electric shouldn’t have an advantage but it shouldn’t have a disadvantage either so um what we concluded with these federations uh in know particular ACU in UK FM in France and uh and also the Australian Federation uh was to limit horsepower in each class so in in the 450 class 60 horsepower which is very similar to 450 and the 250 class 48 horsepower which is also very similar and um uh in order to limit the power in a in a good way and controllable way for the Federation we developed this race mode uh so that that the rider or the Federation can lock the bike within a specific power let’s say maximum power for a specific time and then the bike is also clearly communicating this so that you know everyone around the bike can see ah this bike is locked in in the MX2 class or mx1 class so it has been a big development from our side has taken a long time to um to certify this develop this function and finally last week we felt that okay this is R enough to to go out and we released the beta version so um we will continue to improve it of course but now it’s available for all customers globally uh to try and uh yeah it can also beuse then in in racing and it’s quite cool now to see how uh you know every weekend we start seeing some some vgs competing in National Championships all over the world so um you know I hope this will be a good Tool uh that you know more people can enter racing globally and uh and hopefully something that can also Inspire other electric bikes in the future to have a similar function bit uh label what does it mean in this case is it the like stability or is it functionality well I mean it is quite early stage so uh you know we have certain things that we know we can improve that we will continue to improve but um we also want to hear everyone out so uh you know if you try it and if you have feedback something that you would like to improve please let us know and we will we will do so um also right now it’s available for everyone in the future it will only be aail available in the Pro subscription that we will launch um in the next few months yeah and I understand the subscription model has been heavily discussed online since last Friday when you released the news yes so I mean I think there been a lot of interesting comments everywhere you know some people that is you know questioning why is there subscription model and some people that understand why there is one and um you know first of all I think it’s important to just uh mention because that can easily be forgotten that uh we did mention that there will be a subscription model in the launch video when we launch the company in 21 and uh uh it will has also been mentioned on the product page since day one as well so so like it’s not something new but it could have been something that people have forgotten or maybe didn’t notice um you know years ago which which is of course fully understandable then why is there subscription model um you know we have a lot of very talented people working on improving the bike uh so we want to continue doing that so after we sold the bike you know we don’t feel that the relationship has to be over um you know between us and the customer we want to continue to make every single bike better uh but you know all these talented people that we have that are continuing to create new features they they’re not working for free uh and we want to be able to continue expanding those teams and you know make the bike even better and better and better so so therefore a subscription model as an option it’s not it’s not a requirement that’s also important to to mention uh as an option for those people that want all the features that we can create you know it’s it’s really a choice like you want to pay a few Euros per month like it’s not going to be expensive uh in order to you know try new features that has never been available before in the automotive industry and I think that’s a pretty cool choice to have like you’re not forced and I I think I can also you know tell clearly that everything that is available in the bike today will still be available in the free version so we’re not going to remove anything from anyone ex except the race mode which is now just a better version um and actually well also the internet so you know every bike has a SIM card and a a data subscription that we are paying for and unfortunately data isn’t for free I mean there’s no one that has free data because there is no free data unfortunately if you go to a cafe you can free Wi-Fi but when it comes to 4G or 5G um that has a cost and um for everyone to be able to update their bikes with new features you know we we have to pay that data of course globally and we will continue to pay that uh for people that have the free version in order so that everyone can continue to update the bike to make it more efficient or a little bit better or get some some more features um so we will continue to cover that cost from our side but for those that want full connectivity all the features all the belts and whistles there will it will cost a few Euros per month which you know it’s it’s your choice in end uh you know ride Motocross and duro this subscription cost if you decide to have it will be the smallest cost that that you’ll have you know it’s it’s really you know it’s not a it’s quite expensive sport in general to do so we’re it’s going to be very very small cost to cover some of the expenses that we have basically okay yeah but it still cover all the data C and also developing new functionality yeah exactly yeah yeah but but with all new functionality come to the subscription model only or will you have some new functionality for the regular uses as well yeah so I mean we’re working on hundreds of improvements in terms of software so some of those you don’t see it’s just you know we some bug fixes or we slightly improve something make something a little bit faster or more efficient um so all bikes will continue to become better and um we’re very focused on efficiency so you know if we can find more efficiency and give you more range that’s something that will come for everyone of course um then in terms of if you want to be able to adjust your power curve for instance which is like that’s a huge development uh to make that work properly that will only be available for pro subscription um yeah some navigation features and stuff like that what about the reverse mode yeah it’s now in in a trial version so we’re testing it so uh I’m not sure when that will be released yet and uh that that will be also be available for the free version yeah I would love to get my hands on that Trad version because it is so nice actually when you start get used to it you get some Las it’s oh I have to push it now again damn it yeah I also think that it will benefit for like Technical Training riding in Reverse through obstacles and stuff like that well I mean I well that we have a very limited top speed in RSE you know because yeah like of course you can ride reverse but it’s it’s not going to it’s going to be walking speed basically you know so we have to be sometimes not enough I guess you have this work at least so the bike get through obstacles and up over stones and stuff like that yeah I think you’ll like it I look forward to see what you think I have nothing but praise for the support department and I I read that comment several times that the support depart department is actually what makes living with a new bike quite easy to be honest quite quick to reply and they most of the time I I won’t say always but most of the time find a solution for your problems and I also think that as a underdog a new brand coming into the market you have to have some some level of customer support that maybe the other ones uh don’t even bother about uh but is it possible or is it sustainable in the long run to have like the same level of support to the customers or will you eventually be like everyone else and send the customer to the reseller or to the store where they bought a bike and have them fix the problems for you yeah I me think this is super interesting topic and you know I think first of all is like okay why why is there support and um you know I think all vehicle manufacturers have of course um um you know warranties and and stuff like that that happens and um developing new technology you will always learn new things and improve how to make things better what we can see now is our warranty level in terms of you know as a percentage of the business is in line with the big oems today in the world which I think is you know huge huge kudos to our engineering and operations Department to already achieve that um but of course there will still be issues that people have sometimes that something’s wrong with the bike or sometimes that you know someone maybe maybe we haven’t develop something easy enough to understand so you need some guidance in like how are you gonna set something up or what it could be you know um um whatever so we decided from the beginning we want to have the best support in the industry this is really a key Target for us so we have been really focused and I think we been built up a a super strong uh support team I think you know they are amazing and right now we’re working in two shifts so it’s 16 hours per day available and also available on weekends and I don’t think that the level we have now will continue our ambition is to have a higher level of service uh so um eventually we want you wherever you are in the world whatever the time is uh you should always have someone available if you need help with something and you know one of the benefits with our bike is that we have decided to invest in connectivity so we can connect to every single bike globally and uh read you know whatever data and understand if there’s something wrong or maybe you need some help adjusting something or uh maybe there is something wrong you want to charge the bike and there’s something wrong with your outlet or whatever and it’s that can be hard to understand you know where does the problem come from and uh we are continuously trying to improve all our internal tools so that we faster and more easier here can understand and and support everyone uh globally but our ambition is to extend the service uh we’re I think the team has done an amazing job where we are now but we want to continue to make it even better okay uh in the last interview you mentioned that some competitors prefer to be enemies and I I got a lot of questions and I think most people understand which brand it is I don’t know if you should mention their name but can you give us a short backstory yeah I know I don’t think like you know we are not here to make trouble so I don’t want to speak bad about anyone because you know even if our experience is something today uh it does mean that everyone in that company is bad or everyone Associated is that’s for sure not the case in any company or any country or whatever you know the most people are really good people of course so um no I mean uh we have competitors where we have a really good relationship and I think they’re acting you know very professionally and you know we want to inspire the motorcycle industry to sustainability that’s our company values that’s what we defined from the beginning so you know to see other others coming up and you know also now deciding to build electric off-road bikes I think that’s amazing and I’m really really glad to see that um but you know when if you’re playing by the rules you know I don’t think there’s any reason to not like like anyone or be happy but you know when when certain companies are not playing by the rules um and you know threatening people uh or dealers or uh uh making things happen in let’s say a non legit way um you know the I don’t think that’s the right approach yeah I totally respect you don’t want to bad mouth anyone uh but still uh these I these people they they are the ones causing quite a lot of problem for you guys when it comes to the super Endura for instance do you have a dialogue or is it like do they speak to you guys or is it more that they try to stop you in any means necessary I think it’s more the second part you know there’s no dialogue um it’s it’s more trying to stop us or and and Electric in general and yeah you I think it’s um I think electric is an opportunity for everyone in in this industry you know because it’s such a limitation with gas bikes we can only ride in you know very specific places very far away from other people you know very specific hours and you know every other sport is available in so many more places and you know I had I was talking to a friend who’s like so do you mean that that a motocross track is only open like you know twice a week and you know like five hour slots yeah it’s like so so if I wanted to go golf on a Wednesday morning I I couldn’t no no you would have to adapt to you know Sunday between 10 and 3 like what like completely like are you kidding and you know for us obviously that’s normal because we’re used to it but it’s a limitation that we don’t need to have you know we could be able to ride in much more places and we can today already of course you know you and I are are riding electric right now so we do it already but you know many more people can and this is an opportunity for everyone involved in Industry also there are other that if you also develop electric bikes you will have the same benefit that you can give to your customers which can grow the market actually and you know that’s better for everyone working in the industry dealers of course you know clothing brands you know spare part Brands tracks obviously you know so so I think like if you if you try to break if you try to stop the future from happening you I’ve never seen that really working you know maybe there some example of course but like you should embrace a new opportunity if it is better like just because you haven’t done it doesn’t mean you can’t then we also have uh the separate elected class MX I think it’s is IR relevant to this discussion as well um you already released a statement your thoughts about the whole situation have you gotten any feedback from the industry do you have any allies or is it more like David versus goth no so I mean first of all this was something that came from msma which is you know a group of the big oems basically so they they made this decision um and then it was afterwards decided or communicated by mxgp um but it it was a decision from the big Brands um so it didn’t it was not a decision that came from fim or from mxgp you know it was communicated bre in front but it was decided by our competitors basically that don’t even have electric bikes so it’s interesting that you know someone that doesn’t have an electric bike is deciding what electric bikes should do yeah okay that’s I think that’s Highly Questionable uh to start with U but you know I think there’s a lot of support to you know why are why do you want to separate electric we have already proven that we can compete on similar terms and we’re already doing that in most countries across the world right now our customers are you know thousands of people are doing this and it’s working out really well you know there’s there’s no problem with that so I I think you know what is Right will prevail eventually um and I hope that’s what will happen we have um I think right now a quite good dialogue with fim to work together to try to incorporate Electric in in racing and I’m hoping that we’ll find a way with that um so uh yeah I mean we will continue to work we have now huge progress on a national level where you know country after country is is allowing electric to race everywhere even countries that at first was a bit hesitant uh is you know now changing because they see that you know this is what what makes the most sense and um you know I just hope that the remaining countries will continue and uh you know for the um for the guys riding electric in countries that is not allowing it you know reach out to your Federation and ask you know why am I not allowed to race because you know that’s really the question and uh I think we can answer all those question marks that that exist so I mean one one thing that we had is no we cannot Place electric bikes inside stadiums uh but you know why is that our bike is fully certified and you allow electric cars to park inside a stadium uh that has you know batteries 10 times the size of ours or 20 times so that doesn’t really make sense as an argument and if you talk well you know if you would crash a bike and you would penetrate a battery with a rock inside that stadium and and the battery would turn on fire you would have uh fumes toxic fumes coming out and you know the toxic fumes created if you would burn down our bike is less than that of the two stroke bikes riding inside a stum without burning uh so like it’s it’s far less toxic than than that if it would burn which we have never had a bike crash and burn uh so um you know I uh I think there is really no argument it’s just uh politics and I I hope that it I think it’s all moving in the right direction honestly think of course mxgp saying that it would do separate class for us was um not the step in the right direction but uh yeah that’s let’s see but but what do do they expect do they expect that you raise yourselves is there any competitors out there that are already with the bikes for 2026 uh we have seen that Honda have the Prototype and we know that the Yamaha have some some sort of prototype coming we have seen the drawings um but do you expect any competitors to have a bike out 2026 I don’t think in the market no I I I would not expect that but I mean Honda has a prototype clearly of course that they are uh racing in in some places um the level of that bike in ours right now it’s not competitive you know that that’s of course they will continue to make it better but so will also us um so you know we would like to raise our real competition which today is is combustion um I don’t know when Yamaha will have a prototype or a bike um or any of the other brands but yeah I would assume that you know well first of all why would we enter a championship to race ourselves or race competition if if it’s not our actual competition our actual competition is is the gas bikes today you know we that’s that’s the guys want to beat you know imagine if you’re the fastest runner in the world but you’re not allowed to race the other fastest Runners you have to race in a separate run in a separate class like that’s that’s quite weird you know so um I hope that we will be allowed to to compete against our competitors and um I think eventually of course we’ll gonna have some really strong electric competition it’s going to happen um I hope it will happen uh um you know as soon as possible but I I’m not sure if it will happen by 26 do you think that you win in the arena cross in the UK has something to do with it well I think it’s good and bad like I in many cases I think a lot of people were questioning you know you have a lot of comments previously like no electric could never last the race could never compete you know if you don’t have a a clutch you cannot race or you know stuff like that but um uh I think we proved that we were competitive and we raised according to the regulations defined between us and the the federations so you know we had the maximum horsepower limit which was already defined is now available in in the race mode app and um we were competitive we didn’t Crush our competitors uh we managed to win the championship uh by being more consistent uh fewer crushes fewer injuries um you know uh which you know consistency in a championship is the key to winning I think but you know it it was I think a great example of that yeah they belong together we won one out of eight races so we were you know far from you know we we were really yeah we were the best overall but it was a you know good balancing of racing yes so I think that showed many people that yeah well they belong you know and that’s what really makes sense yeah you didn’t overdo it it’s yeah you know we didn’t lap the second guy you know that’s not what happened it was it was racing like it should be it was tight close exciting you know like the whole the whole point uh for the Enduro part I know you have t since I think like a half a year maybe even more and he also signed a deardon which was really nice news for us swedes the Swedish redneck exactly tell us a bit more about that yeah so I mean Eddie you just have the best style on a bike he has an like if you’ve seen his videos like he has an ability to play around on a bike to make it look so damn fun and uh yeah is like a national trial Champion yeah yeah yeah he has the trial background yeah super good trial Rider and uh well as t as well so um yeah I mean we think Eddie is a great addition to the team to of course help us develop develop the bikes but um but also we love his style we love you know his personality and uh yeah we look forward to working with him glad to have him on the team now yeah it’s quite funny because Eddie is like the main persona for I like the smell of two strokey guys and suddenly the the hero rides electric bike so it’s actually it’s a really convenient way to win some people’s trust I guess I mean if you look at the videos he does with bike it’s is mind-blowing like I don’t understand how it’s possible but it’s you know of course he’s on a much higher level than you know as normal people but uh it’s pretty it’s nice inspiration for sure he used to ride super Enduro but what kind of races will he race now yeah so both he and Tedy will race the races where we are allowed basically so let’s hope it will be more and more recently we have seen some previews or early test of the flux Primal uh another bike new to the market um and one of the benefits uh they talk about are is the clutch uh I saw a great comment on uh on YouTube the other day uh um I can’t remember his name but he I think it was a comment on the race mode video Maybe on YouTube but whatever he explained very well like the benefits of simplifying writing like you have to control so many elements at the same time so if you remove a couple of those elements you will become better at the ones that are left and you know I think really that’s simplification for me is our philosophy um so try to make things easier no gears no clutch and these kind of things yeah are there certain situations where clutch would be good you know that’s a of course a very relevant question I don’t know that’s that’s a clear answer so yeah what we can see is that the vast majority of the Riders benefit greatly from not having a clutch They Ride better without it and especially when you instead of foot break swap to a hand bre so you get better rear brake control so which means that you always have rear brake available even when you’re turning right which you know people do quite often um you can have better foot Peg position with your feet and you have better sensitivity in your fingers than your feet through a thick motor cross boot you know of course so like that that’s our general approach but I mean we are also testing U you know electric brake or electric clutch and these kind of things um and we will continue to evalu that and if we come to a conclusion that it’s good uh then we will make it available for the market but um I don’t know if that’s the like we don’t have that result yet um I think it’s interesting to evaluate especially D bra because you know in a hydraulic break you have very limited adjustability and with an electronic brake you can adjust everything you know same as with a power train of course so that’s extremely interesting so if you could have the same precision and the same feeling in an electronic brake as an hydraulic one it will be much better from an adjustability perspective it would also reduce the weight of your bike with more than a kilo uh so more than two pounds which is a a huge value of course uh you never have to change any brake pads you cannot bend the brake disc because there is none uh that’s also interesting uh some argue that your suspension works better when you engine breake then if you break uh with a disc and of course suspension will act differently because with a traditional brake you kind of press up the rear wheel so you compress suspension and when you break with your front sprocket so the engine brake or a knee braake you do the opposite uh but you also you free up your suspension more so theoretically it should work better you know we we will continue to test and evolve these things and and the future we we’ll see what what is the best and we will stay open and uh you know our ambition is to build the best product that we can for our customers and that’s that’s what we’ll continue to do so we’ll we’ll test it of course there’s a lot of interest because you know people are used to something uh I don’t think it’s a good reason to have a clutch because people are used to it should have it if it is better I’ve been riding like during the whole winter and as long as the ground is frozen and I have studs on the tires uh then it’s no problem because it has so much grip but once the I start to melt and it get it really wet and really soft in the ground then I feel sometimes that okay I I would really need a clutch or maybe you need traction control yeah that that could be un but you know I think yeah we don’t know I mean um we will test and evaluate and um time will tell but we will we will try to figure out what’s best and it could be that something is better for some people and and worse for some and then that’s the case and and that’s completely fine of course last time you mentioned that you are developing a new rear break yeah it’s it’s should the production in um not too long period of time and uh I think well it it clearly works a lot better uh I think you know of course formula works okay uh but not perfectly but will it be available before summer or is it later this year yeah before summer yeah and for the people that don’t have it today you of course you can also uh buy it as a spare port and and swap to it if you want um so um yeah it will be available for summer will it have the same diameter in the connector as the Formula One H I actually don’t remember I I hope so but I’m not sure okay then we have some questions from the last discussion that we had uh I received it from viewers and people on different forums the most common one is regards of Road use will it ever be road legal the current MX model or do we have to buy I think theur one or Super Moto one yeah the current bike won’t be uh road legal because it’s not adapted for lights and the features that are required with you know steering lock and and stuff like that um so yeah of course you can always custom build your bike and you know register it as a homeb bu bike or something like that but we we won’t make this bike available you know um then then dur bike with the super mote in the future will be of course when it comes to Stolen Bikes uh can you remotely turn off or shut off the bikes and track them yes we can it’s not super convenient the way we do it today um so uh the the functionality is there it will become better uh we had actually a case last week where a customer bike got stolen I’m not sure uh the status of that today but we we asked the team to look into it of course and um um theoretically we can we can do both those things and um I think this is also interesting where you know for instance why shouldn’t you be able to track your bike yourself like from your iPhone or whatever other Android device that you have so that you can see where it is at all time so you know this is also something that is on our development list and and we want to make that available uh so that you know you you could just track your bike yourself if you want for instance um yeah and then shutting it off is of course extremely sensitive it’s very dangerous shutting a bike off when some someone is writing so that has to be thought through properly so that um you know any I I don’t think that has to be adjustability should be available uh publicly of course but um you know of course we can do it but that’s something that you can do if let’s say my bike gets stolen then I can send you guys an email and you make sure that the thief can’t turn the bike on yeah like if you look at Motocross and uro historically like it’s so annoying that there are so many thefts happening and you I think all of us know people that got their bikes stolen and um you know we that’s also one of the reasons that we integrated all of these features um that that will be of course fully available so that you know hopefully you know if you have a stark bike you know thieves will know well it’s not a good idea to steal that bike because they’re gonna they’re going to find me so so for sure that’s our ambition some hard work questions here uh is there a solution available for providing a throttle tube grip uh similar to what’s offered on the let’s say TM bikes or aluminum frontal tube or something like that something that holds up better than plastic uh we’re not developing that right now we have some ideas how to improve that uh but it’s uh in very early stages so um can’t really say so much about it but um I think there is some opportunity for Innovation there um to make it better than how it’s done today h will stock provide a safety lanyard no and the reason is that we had a lanyard in the beginning of our testing but we realized quickly that it’s more dangerous to have one than to not have one and you know we we probably have more experience riding off-road electric bikes and you know may maybe any other company or anyone else and we have several guys testing every single day um and especially in in a contact sport you know in a race scenario or in an endur scenario where you ride close to trees and branches and stuff if something can pull off your lanyard and kill your bike unexpectedly that’s super dangerous uh and we have had that happening in testing and U we think it is a very very bad idea to put a lanyard on on a Motocross or Aur bike U because of safety so from that for that reason we’re not going to develop something that we don’t deem safe um you know and that’s I think it’s part of the work we’re doing Federation is trying to figure out you know how can we achieve the objectives of what everyone wants um you know in in the best possible way because um of course the lanyard is you know is used in some sports like Speedway for instance um where you don’t have that same risk but you know we have the empiric data that shows us that F it’s more dangerous you know and then then we cannot do it but there are other ways to achieve like if someone crashes how do you make sure that the bike doesn’t keep on running or uh that someone runs up to bike that is laying down and accidentally grabs the throttle these kind of things I think you know of course these are important problems to solve and and we’re focused on them but we do not believe the lanyard is the the way to do it could it be some sort of other sensor that turns off the bike if crash detection or something like that yeah I mean we have all the sensors on the bike so we we can detect the crash it’s very important to like you can’t take that likely because you can never have a situation where you turn off the bike if it has not crashed you know so um apply big development but fully doable for sure yeah I think everyone who has written a suron knows what you’re talking about because you have a sensor in the S side stand and you have I think you have more sensors as well that sends false negatives and turns off the bike more or less that totally different kind of bike but the problem is the same uh okay in regards of other bikes uh is there any plans for kids bikes in the future yeah for sure makes sense to make those electric as well we have some really exciting ideas you know how to how to make those um you know if if you look at the main categories today how can you create something that you know where electric is is is better and of course it’s very similar to the VAR but you know I think for kids it maybe can be even a bigger difference as well and I have many friends that you know when their kids jumped up to you know like a 65 two stroke you know a lot of kids stop riding then because it’s a really scary bike to ride super difficult um so you know like a PW50 like super mellow easy to ride works well like I think all kids love them but then when you jump up to like a 65 TW stroke with a gearbox and clutch like [ __ ] that that’s a really difficult bike to ride and I have a lot of friends kids who stopped riding when they got one those and I think that’s you know if you could develop something that’s easier to ride less scary easier to control Al also less maintenance of course less noise like for sure should help grow the market and and build our sport bigger yeah I think there’s a quite big gap between the really small bikes and like the fullsize bikes for early teens I know I have a CRF 110f for my daughter uh she grew out of the bike for like a year ago but she still St it because it’s semi-automatic and she doesn’t like the idea of having a clutch fun enough yeah wife’s daughter should listen more to her yeah um so actually I’m trying to find a bike for her but it’s mostly I who rides the Honda noway down to the beach and to the store and it’s a nice bike yeah it’s really really mellow and easy to Ride Royal Enfield invested quite a lot of money in your company I think it was like a year ago yeah a bit more than a year ago yeah and they had dual sport and Adventure models uh do you have any plans for those kind of bikes as well I mean they have the Himalayan today which is um their adventure bike which is you know hugely popular of course and U I think they clearly see that electric is the future but um I can’t speak of of their development plans that’s uh uh confidential information and something that they have to decide of course first of all exactly what they will do and when but also how to communicate it but I think it’s clear that Royal Enfield also sees that the future is electric and uh I think you know they have build a lot of exciting bikes in the past so it’s going to be nice to see what they eventually unveil isn’t it like one year ago on the day that you deliver the first bike or let the first customer ride a bike I it could be I mean it was in April so I don’t know which day maybe it was exactly a year ago uh could I remember his name like that ran HK yeah yeah and I think he uploaded the First videos in beginning of April last year so that’s kind of a milestone right yeah that’s true yeah actually I that’s a big deal we should think more about it we’ have been a bit uh busy here lately but yeah that is a huge milestone for sure one year so congratulations that thank you you made it this far at least yeah for sure now let’s continue developing and uh I think next year will be even more exciting you know we we’re only getting started here so last time you didn’t want to mention how many bikes you have sold but I think the VIN numbers tells a little bit about that story at least yeah well they do obviously yeah so I I know for sure that at least 5,000 bikes has been delivered because I I try to keep check in the win list time the time when people want to share that uh and I think that’s uh should also be some kind of Milestone I I know you moving forward and upwards but yeah 5,000 bikes uh in about half a year maybe even like eight months something like that yeah I mean um we are I think we’ve been we are super proud of what we have achieved but we also have super high expectations so we always want through more so yeah I think the team here should be incredibly proud of what they have done you know in in one year uh now on a rolling monthly basis being the biggest electric motorcycle manufacturer in the world if you if you exclude scooters and and kids bikes um you know that that’s incredible so you know I think we have an absolutely amazing team that have made that happen but we’re so hungry for more you know we’re looking you know what’s going to happen in five years oh [ __ ] we got some work to do here so we we try to stay focused on that you know but um yeah I mean super super proud of course of everything that that everyone has has achieved so far I I know it’s really hard to tell right now but do you think that in five years you have a full assortment of bikes at least no I mean like if you really want to develop great bikes it takes time you know so we’re not just going to push out 10 models um you know until we feel that they’re all amazing you know like that that’s really our ambition we don’t want to release a half house product like when we release something it should be mind-blowing this is the ambition for sure we’re working on more bikes but it’s not going to be that fast and also in regards of Battery Technology we know that your supplier is the Molly cell they released a new cell during the Cs Fair uh yeah yeah so they have released a new sell this well it’s I think it’s a communication you know it’s not it’s not in production yet uh so um and it’s it’s it’s far away from production so um you have uh I think some some companies have kind of well some companies that not in production have communicated uh those specs but this so far is only a prototype sell it’s it doesn’t it’s not in mass production and um of course it will be eventually but that’s uh it’s quite far away so um continuously looking into how to make our bike better which you know the battery sell is by far the biggest component that can make the biggest difference so whenever we can use a better sell we will do that but um that’s quite far away for us Enduro Riders I think it’s proven by this point that the range is more than enough uh I rarely use more than 25 30% when training and when I ride hard uro I I noticed that maybe I can use use 15 20% at maximum for a 3 to 4 Hour training session would it make sense to create a battery that’s more lightweight but less capacity yeah it’s it’s an interesting question for sure you know what what do you want you know more range lower weight less range less weight personally I I would do like half the range and I think that will do quite a lot when it comes to the weight of the bike yeah it would make a huge difference of course yeah I mean I think it’s an interesting thought to have um in general I think it’s good to have more range that you need you don’t want to have the range an anxiety you know but if you use 30% okay you’re not close to the anxiety hopefully you 70% even at times I don’t charge the bike when I get back home I just go out in a couple days after and uh maybe ride down to maybe 30 20% something like that then I charge it and then I can back out so I mean same same here I mean it really depends on the writing you do like as was rain Motocross this weekend and then then I use the range quite a bit uh so I I want the capacity but when I go out in the mountains around my house you know I can do one hour of hard and duro and use 10% and um you know this sounds like a you know just a false marketing claim but but that’s the reality because when you ride really really technical you basically don’t use uh energy um because you know maybe because I’m so bad that I’m just you know lifting the bike all the time but that that’s so yeah I don’t I don’t charge it either every single time um because you know if I come back with 90% you know well I know I can ride next time before I need charge this so but yeah I don’t think it has anything to do with skill because I lend the bike to a friend of mine who a really good extreme endural Rider and he didn’t use more battery than I did yeah but it’s an interesting question you know but and I can’t really give you a straight answer but you know for us in general we want to improve both like you know I would prefer to reduce weight and increase range it’s it’s always valuable to receive this kind of feedback and um you know we’re keep our ears to the ground and of course you know a lot of people internally has a lot of good ideas as well and uh but we also listen to you know what everyone around the world has to say so um yeah you know what is the right range versus weight great question you know you can also argue like do you want differ size batteries do you want to be able to like remove half your battery I don’t believe in this sort of compromises it’s rare that a modular version becomes the best I never seen that in any product basically uh so I think it’s about determining okay what is the right range have a little bit more than that and then try to make a super light [ __ ] bike without compromising you know strength and fatigue and flex and these sort of things of course yeah yeah of course of course um but last time we talked about different kind of materials that would help or benefit the weight is is there anything you want to share there and any news regards of that well I I don’t think like there’s not something super new I mean we’re looking into new materials um you know can you use one component to do the job of two is also a great way to you know the best way to reduce weight is to remove a component uh without removing a function um but we are continuously also evaluating different materials um to figure out how to make a bike lighter and better and of course like I mentioned I think titanium is is a great option for that um it’s not super cheap but produce at scale it can be competitive so um yeah I think we’ll we will work more with titanium in the future um but there also other interesting materials of course is there anything on a bike that you feel at this point that you would have made in hindsight you have make totally different than you did and I’m not talking about the tubes or the pegs or the Sid stand but like the main components in the drivve Trin for instance I think you know the team did an amazing job building this bike and you know I think we can see that with the feedback from the guys that have um uh bought it today and tried it and it’s a really really good product now of course the challenge is like how do you make something even better that will be available in a few years from now of course and that’s um that’s a very nice ideation and creative process that we are going through and uh um in the end I think it’s important to like you said you know have ideas and then try them and and reality will prove which is the best Direction uh so um you know there there are many ideas how to make the bike better but until it’s done it’s hard to say what’s better or not okay yeah actually I only have one question left we talked a little about war to earlier but let’s say for instance if you look into like suron um you you can find several different suppliers of batteries for instance uh if there would be a supplier that started to make stock why batteries how would that affect the warranty is it a big no no or yeah I mean the battery like for sure the battery would be a big no no because that’s so dangerous uh to play around with it’s so easy to mess things up and very minor things in electronics can mess things up in other areas and our bike like it’s it’s quite sophisticated how all the different components communicate to each other I I don’t think it would be well you know everything is possible but I think you know if you would build your own battery or buy an aftermarket battery and put in our bike um you know you would lose the warranty in the powertrain components related to that but you know we’re not stupid if there’s another component which is completely unrelated like the for for instance yeah you know unless you double the weight of the bike you know yeah no I mean we we are good guys and um we’re always going to try to be reasonable and treat everyone as nicely as we possibly can we want to give the best service in the industry this is our ambition um so you know if you change handlebar it’s not that you lose the guarantee the warranty on the bike you no absolutely not but um you know if some component is affected by what would you change yeah maybe if you put a Billet uh Steel Brake Cav on the bike and you tip over and break the front cylinder uh you know front brake cylinder that’s not going to be a warranty you know well if you if you crash and unfortunately this but unless we see that there’s a manufacturing error that is the cause of breaking it of course if there’s would be some procity in the brake cylinder whatever you know then of course we would cover you um yeah okay right and that’s all we have for today great good to good to catch up with you Frederick hope everything is good on your end the same and hopefully next time we can talk a little bit more about Enduro bike sounds good looking forward to and perhaps go out riding as well