PGA Tour winner and the 12th-ranked player in the world, Sahith Theegala, joins Smylie Kaufman for a wide-ranging conversation that begins with his love for breakfast burritos and the game of chess. After discussing Sahith’s various chess strategies, he and Smylie move to a discussion about how that mindset impacts the way he plays golf. Sahith breaks down his course management strategy depending on the nature of the competition, and also analyzes swing changes he’s made in the past year. Along the way, Sahith – in the most lighthearted and grateful way possible – lists a series of grievances he has with PGA Tour life.
00:00:12 What he’s up to on his off week
00:02:28 His go-to food/coffee spot at home
00:04:04 Discussing “Java Burrito” in Hilton Head
00:05:56 Sahith’s skill and love for the game of chess
00:13:26 Comparing chess and golf strategy
00:15:27 Visualizing good golf shots
00:21:51 Finding a way to shoot a score without your best stuff
00:26:56 The game strategy involved in choosing targets for approach shots
00:30:10 Keeping your “team” consistent upon arriving on the PGA Tour
00:34:13 Sahith goes on a metal spikes rant!
00:36:45 How does match play strategy differ from stroke play
00:40:50 How much space has the Presidents Cup occupied in Sahith’s mind this year
00:47:32 Breaking down Sahith’s swing changes in the past year
00:53:16 Discussing the leap Sahith has made since arriving on Tour, and his goals for the future
#progolf #progolfer #golfswing #chess #chessgame #burrito #pgatourpodcast #pgatour
[Music]
Smiley caufman for
61 wow I’m Smiley caufman and this is
the Smiley
Show all right welcome back to the
Smiley Show this is an episode I am very
excited about because we got sah theala
joining us today sahith I tell you what
you’re so fun to watch you’ve had it
unbelievable start to your PJ tour uh
third season I guess at this point it
still feels like you’re just a rookie
but you’re getting older now as as you
get on but you’re playing some some
great Golf and uh where are you joining
us this week thanks Smiley thanks for
having me on uh I am in my house SL well
town home apartment that I’m still
renting in uh the Woodlands Texas just
north of Houston um on an off week here
I think it’s week of Byron uh so off
week I got the full Scotty just laziness
beard going on so it’s how you know it’s
an off week but uh yeah it’s been a fun
uh dang it’s already been like halfway
through the season huh yeah it’s it’s
crazy how fast these these Seasons go I
just I was gone for eight straight
weekends so I finally got some time to
be at home as well so I’m I’m trying to
enjoy myself as well but walk us through
what’s what’s an off week look like for
you yeah so this off week is a little
different cuz me and me and will missed
the cut last week so I had a couple
extra days to to relax
um usually I’ll go the first three days
of an off week and just take it
completely off Monday’s kind of my
recovery slash um stretching day so I’ll
go go see my Cairo um go get a massage
uh have a nice stretch session in the
gym and then Tuesday Wednesday usually
don’t play golf at all uh just get in
the gym and and lift some weights it’s
it’s my one time pretty much once a
month it’s those two days are the days
where I can go I can go heavy so uh
that’s kind of what I’ve been doing the
last I guess Saturday Sunday Monday now
uh I played golf today but no practice
still so usually first three days uh
that kind of um schedule SL Rhythm that
I’m into and then I’ll slowly get back
into golf usually on Thursday is when
I’ll play around a golf no practice and
then Friday Saturday I’ll start ramping
up the practice again and uh whatever
day I’m traveling Sunday or Monday uh
before the tournament I’ll take one more
day off yeah that that that makes a lot
of sense and getting your mind and body
ready but I’m curious what what’s your
go-to uh food or Coffee Spot in Houston
where you and your girlfriend go out to
uh you know where you sending me if I’m
heading your way yeah it’s it’s
interesting cuz I I mean I I always
enjoy eating out and I’m pretty lazy
when I’m home so I don’t I don’t cook or
or make anything but my girlfriend is so
on top of it I mean when I’m when I’m
back home she she cooks three meals a
day and makes Cofe in the morning for me
so I’m I’m really spoiled with her um
but my favorite coffee shop in The
Woodlands area is called third gen um
there’s something about I didn’t really
drink coffee till till a few years ago
um my cadd on the corn fairy good buddy
of mine zims he uh he got me hooked on
coffee and there’s something cathartic
about going to a coffee shop in the
morning and um you know just seen a
bunch of people in the morning and and
the smell of coffee and it’s like a it’s
it’s just a part of your routine kind of
thing so third gen coffee is my place to
go and then um there’s a little
breakfast spot spot called Brooklyn Cafe
it’s got a really I’m I’m a big
breakfast burrito guy but I know they’re
not they’re not I know they’re not good
for me
so they have like a breakfast wrap I
mean it’s like a burrito but it’s not I
I get it with no cheese and I love chizo
but I get it with no chizo so I just get
bacon and and I feel healthier but I’m
sure it’s still not healthy but that
that’s kind of my spot for for breakfast
and coffee don’t we have to plug the
spot in Hilton Head Java burrito we got
a plug Java burrito you and I saw each
other every single day last year did you
go a bunch this year as well dude if
there was a Java burrito in Woodlands
Texas I’d go there four or five times a
week it’s it’s it’s like Chipotle on COC
it’s it’s so good but but like I love
breakfast I absolutely love breakfast
and I got I got a breakfast burrito even
for dinner at Java burrito I went there
five out of six days I think five out of
seven days yeah I went there almost
every day it’s so good that hot sauce
did you get that hot sauce there oh it’s
it’s unbelievable I was explaining it to
Charlie it’s like okay just think about
this it’s
like you can get a burrito in the
morning so it’s open for breakfast they
have great coffee so you have the whole
breakfast experience and then it’s like
oh wait no you can go there later and do
a burrito that’s you can do kind of a
Mexican themed burrito you can of go
with you know kind of the you know the
fish or something a little different so
you don’t have to eat the same thing
every night so like this is so sweet oh
yeah it was uh that place is dial they
need I don’t know how there’s not more
places like that because I I love
Chipotle but it gets old and I that
place never gets old because like you
said you can just switch it up so easily
and there’s so many different
variations well maybe you and I just
need to get in the uh we need to get in
the food real estate business and we’re
just going Java burrito around the
country or just bring it to Birmingham
and Houston so we can have it that’ be
great I my cad Carl talked about the
same thing he’s like bro if we open this
up in San mock La we’d make a killing
yeah there you go there you go but
you’re doing pretty good as as it is on
the PGA tour and we’re going to get to
you know all the success that you’ve had
out there you know breaking down uh some
of the things that you do so well but
before we get there I think one of the
most interesting things about you that
makes you so unique is how good you are
at the game of chess and I think there’s
some really classic parallels between
Golf and chess and and just kind of
doing my basic research on you finding
out that you’re a 2000 rating chess
player is I mean that’s kind of insane
right like how would you compare that
handicap wise if if you were maybe
Magnus Magnus Carlson is like the best
player from what I understand based on
my me watching Tik toks like what would
you compare like a Magnus Carlson like
in golf terms of like where he would
stack in our golf handicap
system man that’s tough I I think the
run that Magnus went on I know Scotty’s
on just an absurd run right now but the
run that Magnus went on was for was for
like 9 10 11 years and he’s still kind
of the Undisputed go right now he’s so
good that he got bored bored of playing
the World Chess Championship which he’s
won I think six or seven times now and
he’s won every time control so anyway
he’s he’s the goat and I think he’s
going to go down as the greatest chess
player of all time um so it’ be tough to
H it’d be like comparing him to Tiger I
mean that’s a whole another whole
another conversation but I mean Scotty’s
the man I love Scotty but yeah mag
Magnus has him there in terms of Chess
handicap I’d say I’d say Magnus is like
a plus 10 I know Scotty and tournaments
is probably close to that I have to
guess like a plus eight or n I mean
maybe maybe shoot maybe use a plus 10 so
where where was your rating though being
like a 2,000 rating for for people that
don’t understand how how that rating
system works yeah yeah so I think the
best way I can explain it is I’m
basically like a one-time Club
Championship but I won the Club
Championship like nine years ago and
that was when I boasted A plus two but
I’m I’m probably back to like a 6
handicap is what I’d say 20 rating is
cuz I hit 2,000 rating I got to like
2060 and I’m and I’m down to I’m back in
the 1900s right now so um I’m uh I’m
someone who probably would Pro Proclaim
as a scratch golfer but then I’d show up
to a money game and shoot 77 and get
cleaned out so that’s probably the best
comparison I have for my chess ELO to to
golf handicap so Sith you’re like the
midam guy who had that one hot summer
that made it to the US midam made it to
match play and had dream of making it to
the Masters but you lost in the round of
64 exactly I I was one shot away from
getting to the Masters but yeah I lost
round 64 that’s a great parallel okay
great oh gosh and I I was actually uh on
the chess team in like second and third
grade so I’m I’m fairly familiar with
the game and I want to hear I want to
hear your thoughts on just Paul morphe
and his free flowing attacks versus kind
of the modern chess Grand masters with
their computer Analytics
dude it’s it’s wild I mean I’ve watched
a lot of uh I picked up I picked up
Chester in Co so I watched a lot of
YouTube or chess content and and one of
my favorite players was male tall um I
don’t you’d have to be a chess nerd to
know him but he just loved sacrifices
all this fool did was sacrifice pieces
like bad sacrifices too not not good not
supported by the computer not supported
by other players but you would just find
a way to punk everybody and win cuz
they’re just so flustered by his his
sacrifices and stuff and I know morphe
was the same way he he liked to play
Just intuitive chess and yeah nowadays
um you know I haven’t I didn’t tune in
to they just have like the candidates
tournament s I’m geeking out about no
please you you keep going my man but
they just had um the tournament to
decide who plays against the world
champion which is ding Len and it was a
young Indian Grandmaster I think he was
only 17 that made it but like watching
the tournament it was exciting like
watching the short form YouTube cont
content is exciting but there’s just so
many draws these days because everyone
memorizes all these openings and the
computer you know refutes a bunch of
openings and refutes a bunch of fun
sacrifices and all that so um you know I
I definitely like the older style of
play but uh I’m not good enough to even
I can I can sacrifice all I want I can
Chuck anything and I can still have a
chance to win cuz the guys I’m playing
against aren’t aren’t Grandmaster levels
so um some parallels to the to the you
know the ball debate and the driver
stuff so um but yeah I can I can talk
about Chess for hours I I love it and
I’m I’m glad you can because uh you
definitely geeked out on me there I was
actually fed that question I don’t know
if you could tell like did I sell it
pretty well like was it did it act like
I I have chess books behind me and spend
some free time but one of my good
buddies sold it well I know one of my
good buddies Andrew biglio loves chess
he actually you’re probably one of his
favorite players because your love for
chess and he was like I I texted him I
was like hey man can you give me like a
really like yeah chess question that
maybe sah would know that that he might
be able to go on and yeah so that was
great that that worked out perfectly I
should have I should have caught up on
that I was like this guy chess club
third grade knows Paul morphe stuff like
that was good that was good oh gosh man
and the two different St of Chess I’m
familiar with is classic and bullet uh
bullet style is that what it’s called
bullet style chess is that kind of
bullet bullet chess just a freefor all
yeah can you can you explain the
difference between the two for the
people that don’t play chess yeah so a
classical chess which I think they’re
playing less and less of is is basically
two hours plus added time so you you it
could be a three four hour game with
classical chest but bullet chest is uh I
think technically under 2 minute uh you
get 2 minutes
each side gets two minutes to play so
you’re playing just straight on
intuition you’re playing on a little bit
of memorization at the start but after
that like it’s just moving too fast for
you to pay attention to to perfect moves
so it’s a little more fun and exciting
to watch as a as a spectator and a lot
more stressful as a player to play which
one do you prefer oh I I only play
bullet I never play long games I play
actually a lot of Blitz Games so three
to five minute games which is a little
slower than bullet um because I like if
I play bullet game I’m just making a
blunder every move pretty
much and what are your go-to openings
for bullet chess and how much of it is
like muscle memory because if you get
beat off the starter you mean you’re
going to if you think too much in that I
feel like you’re you’re set up to to
fail in that system right yeah yeah I’m
kind of a I’m a lazy chess player in
some regards where the bullet stuff I
play something called the London system
so the first six or seven moves are
almost the same um regardless of what
the opponent plays the opponent can play
anything and you can kind of just Blitz
out your moves however you want um but
if I’m playing Black I have um a couple
sacrifice lines that I can play where
you know they if they’re just focused on
moving it fast you can catch him with a
cheeky Checkmate but uh yeah I played I
play pretty like system um kind of safe
chess which is a little it’s interesting
CU it’s not how I play golf so yeah
that’s and that’s why this is such a
cool conversation right because you know
I think in in chess or you know golf is
such a slow game right like you have so
much time to think about between shots
of I me mean you can kind of think
towards the future but once you get into
that one shot we always say you know one
shot at a time but it’s not easy to do
and with bullet chest it’s like you have
to rely on Instinct so much which is
when I watch you play golf I see you
relying on instincts and just playing
field golf yeah I 100% I mean I have
really found a good blend of my
instinctual in intuitive Golf and and a
little better mechanics and and
technical stuff the last couple years um
just my trainer and my coach and and
even my cat Carl have helped so much of
you know I’m always trying to find like
a line and for some reason a lot of my
life I’m like okay I’m I’m going to
settle on this one line right but I I’ve
really realized uh the last year or so
that there is no line um you know you
can be working towards a certain like a
certain line so to speak but I’m never
going to be on that line it’s just kind
of how I feel a certain week or the
certain week of of practice I had I
could be you know having to rely more on
intuition than than my technical stuff
so it’s fun that I can kind of Bounce
both ways um I think in some ways I’m
lucky that uh growing up my dad and and
Coach Rick kind of let me let me just
play around on the driving range and
mess around on the golf course so um you
know when I when I’m under the pressure
I I have both the technical standpoint
uh stuff to to look at but also the feel
stuff um so it’s I’m always it’s it’s
going to be work in progress my whole
life because I know there’s going to be
times I want to hit shots where I I
shouldn’t be hitting those shots but
I’ll hit them anyway because I love golf
and I like doing weird things on the
golf course but uh you know I’m getting
I’m getting better about being objective
and and more prudent with some of my
shots too yeah and that all makes and I
think you know whenever I’ve had like a
really hot round and I finished the
round or or if people ask me you know
when you’re in the zone what were you
thinking about and 99% of the time that
question is asked to an athlete they’ll
be like I don’t know you know like I was
I was in this subconscious state of just
being able to just be aware enough but
being able to kind of rely on just my
Natural Instincts what you just talked
about and one of the things that helped
me and I don’t know if this was for you
was I was always big on mental imagery
like I would try to find something in my
mind that I’ve seen before of my really
good shots is that something that you
practice oh 100% I think I think one of
the big things is just seeing good shots
that you’ve hit and and putting them in
the memory bank um CU it’s so easy to go
the other way um especially when you’re
struggling it’s easy to see the bad shot
but I think a lot of golfers don’t
realize what’s what might be keeping
them from hitting hting a good shot is
actually scared of hitting a good shot
um you know they’re they’re just seeing
the trouble and trying to avoid the
trouble and um it does work to some
extent on some shots but a lot of the
times you got to see the good shot you
got to you got to be able to visualize
uh you know get there behind the ball
and and see the ball get close not just
see the ball not going in the water and
uh that was a big thing that was
honestly a big thing for me once I
started hitting the ball better I was
like dude I don’t need to you know hit
the anti- water ball here just hit it 20
yards right second CH of far five or
whatever I can I can actually hit this
thing on the green and um you know it’s
a Snowball Effect which is which is
great that’s the great thing about golf
you hit one good shot and kind of like
basketball you just you’re having a bad
shooting night you get to the free throw
line just see one go through the net and
and all of a sudden the floodgates are
open yeah and I think we’re always like
when we’re playing really well when
you’re playing really well you’re you’re
playing less fear-based and you have
this picture in your head of these
amazing shots that you’ve hit and I
wanted to ask you are there certain
shots that stand out for you over the
last three years on the PJ tour that
when you are nervous that you pull up
that shot in your head and you’re like
okay this is the this is like the
prettiest shot I’ve ever hit I have like
still four shots that come to mind for
me I don’t know about you yeah I nothing
pops up into my head there there’s
there’s two that popped up pretty
quickly but nothing like too crazy and
nothing that um I do all the time but uh
one was actually last year whole three
at Bay Hill um you know my driver it’s
been my K heal my whole life and and I’m
staying on hole three and the wind’s
like in off the left I’m like oh great
I’m just I’m I’mma blow this 50 yards
right into the right rough and just
figure a way to make four right but um I
I just remember in the practice round U
me and my Coach Rick were working on
hitting draws um which I don’t do but
not not necessarily to hit draws but
just to kind of you know even out my
path cuz I always swing left with my
driver so just to even out my path a
little bit and and for some reason that
week not for some reason we were kind of
working towards it my body was getting
stronger um you know I felt like
technically my swing was getting better
it was the best I’ve ever hit a draw in
my life on the Range there so I stepped
up to whole three on Thursday went
wining off the left I aimed right side
of the Fairway and just hit this Pimp
Like low pimp draw oh wow it was shot
that I’ve never that I I’ve been able to
hit but not with any sort of consistency
not knowing where the Miss is going to
be uh not knowing how where it’s going
to take off you know sometimes you’ll
hit a good shot but it’ll it’ll start
left or right of your target line and
this one took off right where I was
looking and it was just a pipe draw and
and me and Carl referenced that shot I
think the rest of the year every time I
needed to hit some sort of draw or some
sort of just like shot that I really
needed to sack up on I I kind of
referenced that one and then and the
second one it’s a funny one because I
missed the cut uh but it was also last
year um it was whole uh 10m 12 13 at uh
3:00 a.m. open um downwind Par 3 it’s
like 215 yards um yeah where’s the pin
uh the pin was middle like all the way
on the right just over the bunker yeah
and it was like pumping down wind and at
first we get up there and I was just
like we’re going to the Motions I’m like
oh yeah just you know 30 ft long left
would be a great shot and it is a great
shot but um for some reason I I remember
teeing the ball up and seeing a shot and
I’m like this kind of a perfect number
to hit just the you know High towering
fade and I got a little more aggressive
with it and it was one of the best five
IRS I’ve ever hit in my life and it it
landed like a foot from the hole and it
stopped really fast I only hit it 5T
past the hole and and downwind too
that’s impressive
think like I just remember thinking like
I don’t think I’ve had like I I felt
I’ve always felt like I had that shot
but I’ve never actually hit it with a
five iron going downwind so to have that
one in the bank is is really good um
there’s one more I thought of just now
is um whole for at Augusta last year as
well all these were last year it’s funny
I can’t even think of one from this it’s
the same kind of thing that right pin
downwind I hit this Tower six iron that
landed just past the hole and stopped
down below so um but but that one at 3M
in the drive at Bay Hill I genuinely
still think about um even this year I’m
like okay I can do it man like I can hit
this shot well I know I I personally
right now if I tried to hit a a bullet
low draw driver I I think I would come
closer to missing the ball than I would
from actually getting a right to left
shot shape it’s that’s just it’s just
not my color wheel right now it’s just
that a that ain’t happening I I don’t
blame you smile I I just seeing the ball
work right to left is just still such a
it’s scary to me it’s just like it looks
like it’s a Miss like I’m just my whole
life I’ve worked it left to right I know
you like to the cuts too so yeah it’s
it’s a scary site but we’re getting
there okay this is actually kind of
playing off this this you know coming up
with these great images and and almost
these videos that play in your head over
the ball on on days that you that you’re
nervous or you don’t feel like you have
it and I think back to Tiger Woods and
why he was so good on days that he
didn’t have it he found a way to shoot
70 just about every single time for you
and the last three years how have you
been able to kind of grow and knowing
it’s like okay today I don’t have it and
I can’t really see the shot what what’s
the game plan to be able to get this
this round under par
yeah so my kind of take and and how I
look at it is probably different than a
lot of other other people and again it’s
still I’m still working on the whole
mindset of it but I’ve been lucky enough
to have a very good short game and since
I was a kid my short games always save
my butt and it’s truly a result of just
hitting it all over the place as a kid
and and you know I attribute to Growing
Up On You Know SoCal public courses
where there’s not a lot of grass
available so I had a lot of hard pen
crab grass kakua Eli and um you know
just hitting weird short game shots was
kind of the norm for me so luckily like
I have a good mindset about short game
like all right man I can get it up and
down from anywhere just like try and
leave yourself the best place you can
get up and down for from but um I kind
of so I kind of piggyback off that
mindset like hey I can I know I can get
it up and down from from pretty much
anywhere as long as it’s on the right
side of the hole um especially the
harder the golf course gets the more
short sided you are I mean you’re toast
you’re going to take bogey happily a lot
of the times you’re shortsighted out
here on on the firm fast courses but um
so so just going off that when when I’m
playing a little bit poorer I’m actually
more aggressive off the te um I try and
push it as far down the PHS as I can um
it’s it’s had mixed um results I’d say
um but as I’m getting more comfortable
off the tea I think it’s it’s working
out better because it just forces me to
get creative you know forces me to get
creative um if I hit a bad t-shot at
least I feel like I got it far enough
down there where I can get creative and
and um you know I remember this Patrick
Klay interview he did about why he was
so good at part fives and I’ve kind of
piggy back that into into hard par fours
too it’s like I don’t even think about
he doesn’t even think about have trying
to have an eagle putt he just said that
he’s trying to figure out the best way
to make a four and a lot of the times
even if he has a good number or what
ever it is from the Fairway he’s he’s
erroring on that on that fat side so
often um so I kind of took that to hard
on on some of the hard par Force and and
that kind of thing too so I’ll get
aggressive with my t- shots um and then
I’ll get pretty conservative with my
second shots and just kind of that weird
mix has has worked for me in kind of
toning down um the bad when when I’m not
playing well the to get that score you
know closer to even par I’m not it’s
crazy that tiger and and Scotty can
shoot you know these guys can shoot two
three under on a bad day like I’m still
happy to get it anywhere on par but um
yeah it’s it’s I think it’s almost
counter Inuit a lot of guys would be
like all right just you know just try
and get the ball in the Fairway hit
whatever you know hit a three AR off the
T or three-w off the te and get it in
play but um in kind of a similar mindset
when I do hit the good t- shot and you
know I have a chance to attack I’ll go
even if I’m not feel feeling great I’ll
go ahead and and try and get really
aggressive to a specific point and that
point is probably going to be a little
more aggressive than than normal and
again the reason for that is um I’d say
when I’m playing well with my iron game
I’m a little bit on the conservative
side just because if I’m playing well I
know I’m going to hit the spot a lot off
a lot of the times and I know that’s a
great spot but when I’m not fully
clicking on all cylinders um you know I
don’t want to be aiming
let’s say for example eight iron right
pin 175 yards normally let’s say no win
I I’ll probably be aiming four Paces
left I’m trying to hit 12 feet left of
the hole so gives me let’s say the pins
four from the right gives me eight yards
of margin if I push it seven yards it’s
it’s fine um you know when I’m not
playing as well funny enough I I kind of
like to push at three or two yards left
of the pin um and my thinking is you
know if I’m if I’m not feeling great um
if my Miss is a little bit of a double
cross I I still have room on that left
side to catch the catch the fat part of
the green so it’s a yeah it’s an
interesting way to look at it I think um
maybe not the best for everybody but um
I figured on those hard days when
there’s a shot that you can get a little
aggressive on and get a shot back or two
um I go ahead and go for it and I’ll get
back to you and how how how that works
by
the I like all that I like the strategy
though I mean I think uh most of the
Modern Age analytics says get the ball
as close as to the hole as possible and
it gives you a better advantage to lower
your scoring average and the analytics
say and I like the strategy and my only
question about the iron game would be
from a conservative standpoint you’re
you’re a guy that’s say you say you like
to hit fades for the most part all the
time when you see left pins for you uh
or left to right wind um with a left pin
are you are you trying to play a draw
are you consistently like playing a fade
because when you play a fade with a left
right win and a left green or left penni
it’s moving away from the hole it’s 100%
moving the way away from the hole and
the easy answer I guess is it’s it’s
situational
um I’d say when the trouble is is really
bad left to a left pin um that’s when
I’m go ahead and I’ll go ahead and hit
my cut and just take it you know I’ll
I’ll I’ll still aim you know the same
for four Paces or Five Paces right of it
or whatever and and you know if I just
hit it 40t I’ll live with it kind of
thing um that’s the one you kind of hit
on the head there that’s the one pin
where it’s like you know if I hit close
then great it’s a bonus if not then
don’t worry about it man you’ll get your
chances will you ever try to hit that
draw in there yes I will I will um with
irons with irons um I think Carl will
try and talk me out of it most of the
time probably
and he’s usually right and the funny
thing the weird reason I I don’t like
hitting a draw to a left pin
specifically with the wind out of the
left um just my mechanism for hitting a
draw is is a little bit Flippy and um
like all timing like more timing to more
more timing for sure I don’t have that
cover that cover draw I don’t even know
how people hit a cover draw what does
that even mean to hit a cover draw by
the way how do you I don’t I don’t get
it get how it works from a physics
standpoint so my draws are just a good
old good old fashion uh flip
and I’ve learned just from from these uh
the machines the quad and and trackman
that my spin and carries a little
inconsistent because I’m delivering the
the club with slightly different Loft um
a slightly less Loft than I’d like to so
the variance in my spin and and carry
numbers is a little off so I’ll stripe a
draw and I’ll son that’s 35 ft past the
hole and I’m like why is what’s the
point of even doing that just laced the
shot 35 ft where I can just hit my
normal shot closer than that so that’s
the specific reason I don’t try and hit
draws with a left to right wind to a
left pin um but I have kind of been
working back to to being able to hit
more consistent draws at least with the
short irons um cuz I do get into trouble
when I when I hit only Fades and not not
because because of the fade reason
exactly but just my path just gets more
and more left and yeah um you know
luckily I have my my team to remind me
that hey dude work it work it the other
way you need to zero this out a little
bit yeah and you just mentioned your
team I mean I think a lot of problems
that young players have when they get to
the PGA Tour is they realize like oh
I’ve got to change so much you know I
gotta change my caddy I gotta change my
coach I gotta change physios I got to
you know hire a stati like statistician
to be able to compete out here I think
one of the things that you’ve done a
really good job of from just an outsider
looking in is that your team has stayed
the same yeah yeah um that’s a tough one
because I I’m I’m kind of on your side
there I’m like I don’t sometimes I don’t
get why young guys who are so so good
and and not just from a technical
standpoint but from a mental standpoint
they they’ve won at every stage in their
Liv and they know how to play golf and
and they’ve gotten there to some regards
on their own you know it is a team
effort and they’ve had their teams to
help them get there but um you know just
switching coaches and and hiring
statisticians I I totally get that um
but I think it’s so easy to get lost
into into the technical side of golf um
I know analytics is so big but um it’s
just it just seems like a lot you’re
already dealing with a whole lot on the
golf course so um I will say the one
area area where I think it’s really
important and and it’s something that a
lot of guys on tour that have played the
tour for a long time said is really
important it’s just Health um so uh
having my trainer out more was huge and
and I’m I’ve been working with a PT now
so um that part has grown for me but
yeah my coach and my trainer my
trainer’s been with me for seven years
since college and um coach has been with
me
for since I was seven so 19 years now
yeah he’s my childhood coach he’s uh
he’s still chugging along he’s 76 he
walks he walks 108 holes every week um
he’s in great shape and it’s awesome
having them out but uh man you’re you’re
so right it’s so easy to look down the
range and I don’t know see see someone
working with always changing always
changing yeah always changing and you
know what cracks me up is I’m not even
trying to throw shade or anything but
it’s like you guys you got the guys with
the quad and then they have a track man
behind and then have like a full swing
and it’s like wait what are we getting
from having three of these three of
these machines behind you and uh the oh
another thing that actually really bugs
me is the amount of putting coaches on
The Putting Green at any given time
during the week I’m just trying to I’m
trying to warm up like a 40f footer and
there’s 55 people on this putting green
CU everybody’s hired their own putting
coach and then the putting coach has
like a statistician that looks behind
him and again like a lot of guys that
have worked with putting coaches I mean
it’s it’s made a huge difference for
them and I think there’s a lot of Merit
to a lot of this stuff as well and I’m
sure it’s a calculated decision but
again it’s easy to get sucked in and and
you know it’s easy for me to say as a
field player I mean uh but yeah I just
that that part honestly I’m like I don’t
even have a hole to putt to because
these coaches take up like three holes
of the 10 holes in the putting green
like a man and then the I want to the
we we need we need to have like a a list
in the locker room every week and they
have to the players have to put their
coaches on this list and this is a siah
approved coaches list on who is allowed
from your team to be on either the P or
the range and it’ll be your list and
it’s not a PJ if you don’t have a the PJ
tour credential means nothing we have
the sahith official coaching list
exactly I should be the one making the
decision you know clearly
I love it it I just I get fired up
because I’m just like dude you’re this
is annoying like I’m just trying to get
ready for my round and every single hole
has some sort of pting contraption to it
and and three people standing on it and
then oh I can rant about this forever
too the metal spikes like guys just
sitting there you know hitting a 4 foot
putt drilling they’ve just destroyed a
part of their green um by the way metal
spikes should not be allowed in my
opinion and like just seems crazy that
you can stick metal into your shoes when
I was when I was playing on the uh on
the tour you know metal spikes are allow
and like they always have been but you
weren’t allowed to tap down Spike marks
so if you were rookie in that in the uh
at the time the web.com uh category of
tea times where you’re teeing off last
you basically had no chance on that back
n on Friday trying to make the cut just
smoked yeah you can’t fix any pitch
marks like I you’re right like Friday
afternoon I spend 15 seconds of my whole
putting routine just fixing metal Spike
marks because they make up you can fix
them but it still makes a hole in the
Greet you know and I
just and I don’t it’s funny because I
don’t blame anyone for using it because
it’s it’s within the rules and if it
helps then why would you ever slip right
like you wouldn’t want to slip but the
fact that it’s allowed
is Saw Grass for example greens were
absolutely mint I mean perfect on
Tuesday practicing and then we tea off
Thursday and it it was the greens were
on the softer side for sure tea off
Thursday and again come to the back nine
and the greens are absolutely torched
and the biggest part of it was the metal
spikes just around the cup the holes
that these metal spikes were making I
was like I can’t believe this but anyway
sorry I’m now now we now we need another
list of who wears metal spikes and now
you’re on on the siah hate list
currently because you need to get some
you need to get some uh normal rubber
spikes or just the the spikeless shoes
and this is all great you know why
because you are one of the nicest dudes
on the PGA tour I know this because I
know you and I love that you’re just
like you’re just vetting so like any
anytime you finish a round or a
tournament and you’re just like man I
got to get this off my chest you come in
and we’ll just have like our own little
just kind of like little wine maybe get
a little glass of wine and just kind of
we just we just gossip I need this this
is good smile I’m getting it all out I I
do catch myself though cuz like I’m
playing the PJ tour I just started this
is my third year like I should have
nothing to complain about and here I am
finding things to complain
about oh well I’m not going to let you
off the hook with with all the chest
stuff I still have one more tie in in
the game of golf and chess and and I
think the only way you can kind of
compare it is you know in stroke play
you’re playing yourself you’re playing
the golf course and you’re playing
everybody else and you see where you
stack up at the end but match plays a
totally different deal right because
you’re going One V one you’re playing
just the other guy you have an
opportunity to make decisions based off
what they do um or you can be the one to
force the hand and for somebody like you
who’s obviously a player that’s plenty
good enough to be on these teams with
President’s Cup or the future Rider cups
where do you think your style kind of
fits in you kind of to call yourself a
lazy chess player but you also reference
that you’re aggressive golfer where do
you think you kind of fit in as far as
just your general match
play yeah I I love match play and it’s
funny the reason I I love match play at
least for the junior AMS and AMS is cuz
I felt like I can hit a ball out of
bounds or in the water and I’ll be like
oh it’s just one hole instead of a
double or triple or whatever it turns
out to be but uh no I think match play
is awesome cuz like you said it adds
another level level strategy um it
really is a chess game um
you yeah you end up playing the golf
course differently than than what you
normally would I’d say probably half the
time uh I think it’s safe to say a lot
of the times um you know your your
opponent starts off well and and is
really pushing the pace you know that
you might need to get a little bit
aggressive or you’re just going to get
run over um you can’t just stick to your
game plan of of whatever that might be
that day or else you know if someone’s
just playing better than you got to find
a way to to try and even it out so and
the opposite too if someone’s you know
really not having their day and playing
well you play more conservative and hit
less Club off the tea or you know
instead of having that 18inch two feet
Pace by you you just try and get the
ball just to look up so it’s a lot of
fun um I love some of my obviously I
think as a competitor some of the best
match play matches you have when you’re
having holes with birdies and yeah you
know you you make an you have to make an
eagle to win or you feel like to hold
out sure enough somebody always holds
out whether it’s you or the other guy
somebody always holds out in these close
matches so it’s so much fun and and just
thinking about the fact of of playing on
a team and playing for the USA and and
you know having team members to to play
for um I get chills just watching the
Ryder Cup and and even the President’s
Cup so um to be on one of those teams
would be would be unbelievable and um
you know hopefully I just don’t put my
partner in too many places an alternate
shot day that’s that’s all I have to say
sorry sorry will I’m going to put will
in some bad places last week man I
literally drove it I drove it inside a
tree for the guy it’s not helping out
his back at
all you you put him out this week man
you uh yeah I did I did he was car he
was caring me so hard just even for two
days no he’s he’s uh Will’s the man and
I’m really happy to side note I guess
I’m just happy to hear how how well his
rehab and how how well his back’s doing
I mean he sounds so excited to to
continue this this rehabbing process and
uh no I mean he’s a beast and you know
the scary thing is I think he’s I think
he’s gotten better like his control his
control off the
te um his control of his irons his speed
with his putter is incredible now he has
you know no putting issues at all um um
impr he’s just he’s gotten like a new
maybe mentality about it but man when
you get that guy talking about the
majors he just lights up he’s built he’s
built for those things and he’s uh if I
could if I could wager some funds I
would uh I wouldn’t not wager against
will in the next few years to win a
major so uh he’s he’s a man yeah no
absolutely and and maybe you two will be
a future team uh whether it’s at the
President’s Cup or at the Ryder Cup and
as we’re in a President’s Cup year kind
of mention how how much you want to be
on a team and gives you chills and and
for me as somebody who called the rider
Cup last year I got chills so there was
it’s a lot of fun but for you is it is
it taking up much space in your mind
just making a
team yeah that’s uh it was one of my big
goals this year because um last year I
think I just get it let I let it get to
me a little too much um I put Ridder cup
so high up on my it was probably the the
biggest thing up on my goal list and and
I really thought about it a lot right
around this time last year and I had a
you know for me the results were fine
but I had a bad mental stretch for the
for the next three months when I thought
about that literally right the week
before Wells um because I think at that
time I was inside the top 12 maybe on
the points list for the or right on the
outside I think I was just on the
outside like 14th or something for the
Ridder Cup points list and I was like
dude this this could this is this could
be a real thing and then I just played
my way out of it out of the discussion
at all but um this year was another uh
it was important to me to try and make
this presence Cup team cuz even my
rookie year I felt like I was close-ish
but just didn’t finish out the year
great and I don’t want to leave it up to
chance this year I want to earn my way
on the team and and uh uh not have
Captain Jim Jim pick me so uh it’s
definitely a little extra motivation I
think my my mindset on that’s gotone a
little bit better um just use it as
motivation and and not as extra pressure
and um you know not as a as an
expectation or anything it’s just kind
of a reward and a cherry on top for a
good year yeah and you’ve had a great
year and I I I think back to Bay Hill in
a week in which you finished Sixth and
you did the walkin talk with us on on
NBC on Saturday and walking down the
Fairway I was listening and one of the
things you said was
that you’ve kind of developed this go-to
shot off the tea and I think that’s so
important to have different gears on the
PGA tour to be able to have that ball
that finds the Fairway and this year in
2024 you’re up to 64% of your Fairways
hit last year close to about 52 53% can
you kind of talk about what you found
this year in that little go-to shot off
the
te yeah it’s uh it’s funny because last
year felt like the best i’ ever drove in
my life I’m normally like a 40 High 40s
batter for Fairways so as crazy as that
seems but um yeah again I think a lot of
that is just stuff that my coach and my
trainer have been building on for years
and it’s finally come to fruition kind
of late last year I’d say no November
December last year and um it’s just a
result of being a little bit stronger
and and my body being able to handle a
little bit more but it’s it’s kind of
this low bullet cut um and I have two
way to hit it which is really
interesting which which leaves a little
bit of a feel factor into it um I have
the super high te low cut the kind of
the tiger Colin I know Colin does it um
JT JT does too JT yeah well JT does
everything that guy’s a sicko on the
golf course he might have my
legitimately I’m not saying this just
say but he might have my favorite game
on on tour um yeah he’s just a certified
sio but uh yeah this the high t low one
uh that’s when I’m like you know really
feeling good and and I can get a little
extra out of it and it looks a little
cool it looks a little cooler cuz it
kind of Rises yeah um both of these are
Fades by the way but they’re pretty
tight and then the one I’ve I’ve really
been hitting well recently is um the
last month or so um I’ve been driving it
well but funny enough the feels over the
te box haven’t been incredible so I have
this super low tea low fade that came in
so clutch at Bay Hill had a lot of
Fairways when I needed to I Really
really nice at Augusta um I hit it a
bunch off of 7
175 I drove it fair fair you have to hit
you know like they’re narrow and or the
hole that goes right to left for you so
that makes sense exactly like absolutely
have to hit I I don’t know why I didn’t
hit that shot more out there um I might
next year now hold is like
14 um and then at RBC at harbort toown I
hit it every single shot um I just hit
this bullet bullet fade and I don’t know
how but my speed on the drive is is the
same as my normal drive it comes off at
like 77 78 ball speed and it might have
to do something with Loft but um still
goes pretty far and and it’s a new
feeling for me thinking that I’m teeing
this ball up and I have a shot that can
I feel like I can hit the Fairway almost
every time um but that’s that’s a great
feeling it’s an incredible feeling um
because I didn’t have that feeling for
the last 16 years of my life so it’s a
it’s incredible feeling and in some ways
it’s it’s weird to me now I’m like I’m
in the fway a lot more and I’ve hit some
really poor wed shots this year which is
uncharacteristic but I just every time I
hit a poor W shot I’m just like man I
Carl I didn’t like I didn’t know what to
do I’m just used to being in the right
in the right trees here or whatever it
is but um it’s a really cool shot and
and basically all I do to hit the shot
with the low te is I’ll kick it back in
my stance a little bit um I’ll set it up
a little bit less off the heel um and
the reason for that is I almost I like
to have like a toe bias to the shot um
just so it keeps the spin down a little
bit um CU if I if I use my normal setup
where the ball is off the heel um set up
your golf ball is on the heel right yeah
big time Big Time my normal setup it’s
pretty much straight off the hosle um
through the bag um the longer the club
gets the more it’s it’s closer to
straight off the hosle than out of the
middle of the club face but for that
specific shot it’s closer to the middle
of the club face and again it’s just to
try and get it just slightly on the toe
so that that cut stays really tight and
a little less Spin and yeah it’s worked
out great and and it’s a shot I hit
every single warm up now um I’ve
actually reduced the number of t- shots
I hit on the driving range I’ll only hit
six to seven whereas before I hit a lot
more and I don’t know why because a lot
of swings of driver
so um but yeah it’s been it’s been
really fun having that shot and
hopefully it just keeps getting better
and better yeah you talked about finding
the fairways and and randomly hit a poor
approach shot so I think this is a
perfect time to segue into what we’re
going to be showing which is a couple
videos uh one being from last year so if
you’re listening right now on the
podcast head over to the YouTube at
Smiley Show and you could watch this
swing and this to me looks like in 2023
is this at the Z
classic Yep this is at the zerk classic
2023 all right walk us through what you
were doing last year poorly uh that that
you didn’t
like yeah so funny enough um this was
right after a good stretch of golf that
I played like the best stretch of golf
that I’d ever played in my life I just
came Ninth at the Masters fifth RBC so
um a big thing I was trying to work on
here was just distance control and I
didn’t have my coach with me for a
couple weeks here and and the big thing
that happens when Rick’s not with me is
uh my setup and takeaway uh you know
tend to falter and and this takeway
right here is is not good it’s it’s
really far outside and I always Take It
Outside a little bit but man this goes
straight outside the club is way in
front of my hands and what that creates
for me at the top of the Swing is a
super super open face and that’s just
going to lead to inconsistencies for me
in terms of distance control in terms of
Direction um cuz that’s just how much
more my forearms have to rotate through
impact and how much more of a a flip and
and timing based it’s going to be and
and you know how it is on tour with some
of those grainy tight Fairways with a
nineiron pitching wedge where you’re
just trying to focus on the contact you
don’t have to you don’t want to have to
worry about where I’m putting this ball
in my stance and right in this video too
I have I have the ball too far front my
stance too I know it’s not can’t see the
face on but it’s really far in front for
an Adar and I think it’s almost off my
front toe so wow okay all right show us
uh
2024 uh Charlie’s going to pull up a
video right now in in which what the fs
that you and Coach Rick are working on
um kind of walk us through what what
those are I imagine moving a little
back yes so this is the biggest thing
I’ve been working on the last eight
months really I haven’t really worked on
anything technical other than this with
my short irons um been working on my
posture a little bit just to help me
help the takeaway get a little more
natur natural um so the big thing is
ball positions way further back in my
stance and that’s allowed me to get so
much more consistent contact and I’m
actually hitting it a little bit further
cuz I’m sure I’m delivering the club
with a little less Loft as well um but
the spin rate’s been more consistent
I’ve been able to control the flight
better with the ball position further
back it’s it’s hard to take it out
really aggressively so in this in this
swing video I’m taking it back you know
just a little outside which I like I
don’t want to get stuck inside and um
the back of my uh the top of my back
swing is a lot tigher uh the club face
is more I’m always a little open but
it’s it’s closer to neutral and and it’s
almost a little bit shorter too because
I know when to stop um you know I can
feel I can almost feel the club face at
the top a little bit better um that
looks
good yeah it it’s it’s been a really
nice transformation and and it’s it’s
shown um on my stats and in the fields
I’m still working it’s still work work
in progress so I’ve did some really
really bad Iron shots this year that or
short irons that I normally feel like
would never hit cuz I’m just so based
off feel but it’s nice to get like a
little little bit of technical with my
feel in there and then the good ones are
just so much better and and it’s getting
more and more consistent so um it’s been
cool to see the the transformation in
video too um it’s it’s it’s fun because
I’m not a big video guy and oh no we
know we know
these are like two of eight videos in my
phone my coach has all the all the
videos so that’s the way it should be
though man that’s the way it should be I
love it it’s been a fun thing to work on
it’s been a really fun thing to work on
yeah be able to get away from it uh on
and off the course and um and this is
actually one that was sent from Coach
Rick I think this was sent from a b did
he send this to you via a baked potato
it’s a little on the it’s a little on
the grainy side but can you just tell us
what y’all were kind of working on yeah
what was that the Nokia G 742 or
whatever the 1994
camera yeah so I mean me and Rick want
work on just such basic fundamentals um
this is just me you know exaggerating
the FI of not taking it outside I have a
bucket of balls there and Alignment
stick and um I see that yeah so you
don’t hit the bucket on the way back
okay yeah it’s funny because I swear
when I’m when I was over this um doing
this video and taking my back swing on
that lineman stick it felt like I was
sucking it straight inside and no it’s
not even close
feel it’s like perfectly on plane which
was crazy to me um but yeah I literally
sat there for he would he didn’t let me
hit a ball he he’s like I wanted to hit
a ball so bad he’s like no you’re doing
this for five minutes you’re going to
get a good feel for this and then you’re
going to hit
balls so and then it’s hard to see but
the alignment sticks has um little black
lines on it and
I was sticking to one specific black
line to to get the ball
position okay got yeah we’re not going
to see that black line here
no on the uh the big po 3000 yeah all
right Charlie take that away we’ll uh
we’ll finish up this interview here with
you say this has been a lot of fun and I
think a lot of times when I do research
on players I I kind of there’s always
one thing that that sticks out to me
that I find that I just didn’t realize
and I just had no idea how well you’ve
played over the last three years and
just like crunching the numbers of like
this year like you’ve already had five
top 10 this year but looking back the
other two years as well in 75 starts
you’ve had 18 top 10 that’s 24% of the
time you Tee It Up You’re top tening and
Charlie and I were kind of talking about
this before the interview the full swing
in which you were kind of like Dove the
the Breakout star but like also you know
the family aspect and kind of a little
bit overlooked of how well you’ve played
over the last three years have you been
able to kind of like had people separate
that you’re not the Netflix guy and that
you’re like hey wait I’m really good I’m
gonna win majors and that’s who sahit
theala
is thanks Smiley you’re the man making
me feel good um oh it’s impressive uh
it’s such an interesting you make a
great point because
uh good golf is so subjective out
anywhere especially on tour but it’s so
easy to look at these guys that are are
absolute World beaters and have been top
10 in the world forever and and base
good golf off of them whereas in reality
you’re playing against two the best
players in the world um at any point
during the year so in in reality like
making a cut and finishing 40th I tell a
lot of my buddies like dude I played
really like for Augusta for example I
didn’t even I played good I just didn’t
play that good and I finished 45th or
whatever and everyone’s like oh man I’m
so sorry like what happened I’m like I
don’t know guys like I played five um so
it’s been I feel like I’ve played the
best golf of my life the last three
years and and just seeing like even a
0.1% progress on a on a week toe basis
is kind of all I’m striving for um just
the feeling of getting better and and
Billy horel put it well last week in
that he’s just addicted to the process
and truly in a weird way even though I’m
I feel like I’m just a gamer I’m kind of
addicted to the process and um I just
love that feeling of whatever it is
trying to get a little bit better by by
sticking to your own routine too but uh
yeah I feel like I’ve I’ve really played
well and and golf is such a brutal game
because you’re you’re a loser 99% of the
time you play unless your name’s not
Scotty
Rory those guys um because you you know
two of the best players in the game
right now um three of them I’ll throw
Windom in there too but like Rory or
Xander and Pat um these guys are
absolute World beaters top I don’t know
10 five in the world for the last since
I’ve graduated high school so I don’t
know seven eight nine years now and they
haven’t won that much they’ve probably
won you know seven eight nine times a
piece I know Xander’s got his cold medal
Lam’s got the Yos open and Pat’s got the
FedEx but it’s like they don’t win that
often they win once or twice a year and
I think that just shows how hard it is
to actually win and it’s so easy to get
caught up in The Narrative of winning
and um you know media loves to focus on
the top guys and oh he didn’t win a
major this year another failure for Rory
and it’s like dude this guy’s playing
unbelievable golf so yes it’s been I
really have played really well and it’s
nice to have you know super supportive
girlfriend and and family my parents
really make sure that like hey dude
you’re doing incredible the golf stuff
they always say like the golf stuff
impressive but the life stuff is
impressive too it’s just I’m trying to
figure out how to adult um you I have a
meeting meeting tomorrow about my home
insurance that I’m going have to sign up
for and all this stuff so um but yeah
the golf’s been really good um it’s it’s
I’m lucky too and that I feel like I
don’t have to think about you know
what’s what’s a good event is it the top
25 the top 10 whatever I I’m pretty good
about being feel based and result based
I’d say um Houston is another great
example I finished 28th but it’s
probably one of the best weeks I had all
year I I really did most of my things
really well I just didn’t have my normal
putting week and I got beat by 27 guys
and that’s just it’s Cutthroat man it’s
you know how it is it’s it’s hard you
can have you can have a good week and
and winning is so hard and everyone just
seems to base it off winning and and to
be completely honest I feel like I
haven’t
haven’t really been in contention with a
few holes to go on Sunday since the
first event of the year so um I just
want to be in that position more but
yeah it’s been it’s been a great two and
a half years and even last year um I
guess technically the the FedEx season
the playoffs and before I didn’t didn’t
play great but I still had eight top 10s
in 30 events so it’s it’s it’s silly I
didn’t realize it and that’s I think to
your point it’s like you you have like
gotten in the mix and but it is really
hard everybody talks about getting in
contention on the back nine and having a
chance but realistically like it it
comes around so so little often unless
you’re Scotty Sheffer right now
yeah it’s hard and and that’s why I give
a lot of credit to these guys that have
been out here for so long and and have
done it so well and I know I mentioned
uh Billy before but he’s had a nice long
career and he just wanted for the eight
time again and you know even Brian
Harmon has had such an incredible career
like so lowkey he’s probably had I don’t
know the numbers he’s probably had 50
something top 10 a lot something
something crazy and I bet you know
Xander and patter right there with
probably 60 something top 10 and 160
events or whatever it is so it’s just so
easy to compare yourself to to those
kind of guys and you know it’s nice I
feel like I’m on my own path and and my
goal is to eventually get to the point
where I feel like I’m a top top 10
player top top five player whatever it
might be just be the best version of
what I think I can get out of myself and
um you know it’s just the whole thing is
a lot of fun and it’s it’s nice to get
reminders from my parents and other
people that you’re damn lucky to be
doing this and I am I’m really damn
lucky yeah you are and and you’re well
on your way in in fact I mean the the
trajectory you on is I I you act like
top 10 in the world and top five in the
world is so far away I mean
you’re you’re 12th in the world right
now Pro you’re at one more good event
and you’re right there and uh and sahit
this has been an incredible
conversation um I I I loved everything
about it and please please come back on
because we have got to hear some of more
about the gossip that’s going around on
the PJ tour that we got to get off of
your chest yeah no this has been great
Smiley thank you I’ll have to come on
again it’s uh feels like a nice uh
outlet for me to just voice some things
that that normally aren’t on my mind but
uh it’s been great my man or do some
chess we can figure it all out but are
we going to see you Wells Fargo next is
that where we’re heading yes I’ll be at
Wells Fargo um I need to get I would
love to like set up a tour caddy staff
chess tournament one of these weeks I
might need to there you go dig into that
there you go H up some PJ Tor media see
if we can make that happen but uh love
to have you join that Paul morphe
knowled yeah I’m bring in my uh my Ace
in the Hole my buddy AV he’s going to
play uh for me and that and I’ll be his
caddy behind him just cheering him on
taking on taking on sah so we’ll see uh
see how we stack up but all right man
thank it’s been a great conversation uh
look forward to seeing you soon we’ll be
at the PGA Championship Charlie will be
there as well and best of luck to you
thanks Smiley you’re the man thanks
Charlie enjoyed it see you guys soon you
know I listen to this podcast it’s
really cool and our fans and subscribers
but make sure you like And subscribe
it’s cool to see what you guys are doing
I know golf fans appreciate it but we we
do too so please keep it up for all the
good people
YouTube like And subscribe you guys have
some good takes so I’m happy to come on
and and shoot the
1 Comment
Oh great! I like Sahith so this will be fabulous to hear – what a treat! Good luck for the tournaments ahead Sahith! ⛳️👍