LIV Golfers Jon Rahm, Tyrell Hatton, and others may gave just discovered a ‘loophole’ which would allow them to qualify for the Ryder Cup team.

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all right absolutely huge news for the
Ryder Cup teams now Mike they’re saying
it’s not a loophole but it certainly
sounds like one either way it’s great
news for guys like John ROM Terell
Hatton we’re going to dig into that in a
second we also have to talk about the
huge success that Liv had over in
Australia and it makes me wonder if this
is something a a huge stone that the PGA
Tour left unturned that they can
certainly learn from and of course the
big news everybody’s talking about we
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into this so let’s talk about this
loophole yeah whether it’s a loophole
whether it’s not if if anything it’s
more of just a a re-understanding a re
clarification of the rules on the
European side now just to kind of get
back into and bring everybody up to
speed anybody who uh is not familiar
with the rules on the US side the US
team it’s the PGA not the PGA Tour that
makes you know the teams up for the for
the US Ridder Cup team and since the PGA
never handed down any suspension only
the PGA Tour did there was really no
issue with adding live guys to that team
we saw Brooks kka they play their way
their way in or Captain Pi or Captain’s
pick but there was nothing barring them
from being in right on the other side
it’s the DP World Tour that effectively
selects or has the the pathway the point
system for the Ryder Cup team on the
European side so you had guys and we’re
going to talk about this decision
because it’s going to really now becomes
a key moment you had guys like sergiio
Garcia and of the other guys who Ian
polter as well who withdrew their DP
World Tour status they resigned from the
tour in order to avoid the fines other
guys John Rah Terell Hatton are still
technically DP World Tour members but
they’re currently incurring fines and
suspensions and that’s what this comes
down to that’s the key so here’s what it
really boils down to essentially players
who are still part of the DP World Tour
but play in a live event on the same
weekend keep that in mind are the ones
who are subject to fines and suspensions
and we got clarification the last week
this came from DP World Tour CEO guy
Kennings he said there is no reason why
players who have taken Live membership
and maintain membership of the DP World
Tour could not qualify or be available
for selection it’s not a loophole it’s
the rules we’ve always had right so he’s
speaking to that clarifying specifically
about the Ridder cup so he’s saying
there’s no reason there’s nothing in the
rules and he’s saying the rules haven’t
changed this is just a better
understanding he’s saying there’s
nothing in there that’s saying that you
can’t be on both tours and still qualify
your way in and I think that that raised
a lot of eyebrows yeah now wait I’m
trying to understand this so what’s
funny is is the guys like polter
Westwood and Sergio I think they’re like
kicking themselves like notice that
Ramen Hatten are later additions to live
years later right they knew something
those guys didn’t know those guys
resigned fast these guys they must have
been told something like don’t resign we
still got a pathway you think it’s
unfair for those earlier guys well some
of those names so like we talked about
you’ve got Sergio Garcia Ian polter Lee
Westwood now one could argue those are
the guys who are kind of towards the
tail end of their career they might not
make it anyway they’re Ryder Cup Legends
Ridder cup Legends Ryder Cup Staples in
a lot on your team yeah but they’re also
the guys who admittedly would want to
wind down a little bit with their career
might not want to be grinding it out
playing on B tours yep they at the time
and as you said this has happened you
know when they were some of the first
guys to jump over to live yeah was fresh
out of the gate they were like what am I
going to sit here and incur fines for
I’ll just resign my membership I’m just
going to play all my rounds over at live
right right
so here’s where the rubber meets the
road when it comes to those fines and
suspensions right and this is how they
get incurred according to these rules so
it’s DP World Tour members who play in a
live event on the same weekend as a DP
World Tour event are the one subject to
fines and suspensions so again he’s
saying it’s not a loophole again it’s a
clarification going on from there he
said so long as they pay those V fines
and or serve those suspensions and so
long as they still compete in four DP
world events DP World Tour events each
year they’re still eligible in the Ryder
Cup do we know what the suspension is
I believe it’s something that’s can be
handed down on a case-by Case basis I
don’t think that they’ve got a a written
protocol that missing this event is this
many game suspension I don’t know cuz
like there’s another loophole it’s like
I will purposely get suspended because
there’s a live event next week so that I
I’m suspended from the DP World Tour it
won’t be you know what I mean true
there’s so many if you’re suspended they
are they compounding you’re saying at
that point right right it’s a very good
point but we we’ve mentioned this here
on the podcast before we’ve talked about
this and we’ve said if the other tours
the DP World Tour Asian tours other
tours that do have official World Golf
Ranking
qualifiers if that’s going to be
continue to be live golfers Pathways
into things like Majors Ridder cups Etc
it would be very unsurprising to me to
see the live golf schedule structured to
not conflict with certain events and I
think this is even more incentive to do
that now this is a whole other Wormhole
we’re going to have to go down this on
another podcast but you recently had
another low-level tour a European tour
54 hole that got official world golf
rankings however there’s some nuances to
that there’s a cut structure there’s
feeder tours there’s things like that
that Liv still wasn’t hasn’t hasn’t
quite checked all those same boxes so as
of this moment that’s not a
differentiator doesn’t mean Liv is
getting points immediately so as far as
points go and Ryder Cup goes Liv is
going to have to keep a close eye on
their schedule and how it Direct ly
conflicts or potentially directly
conflicts with DP World Tour events
because each time that happens guys like
Rah are going to have now fines are one
thing got more money money is not a
problem not the issue they’ll chead it
reminds me that check to be honest for
that you know they’re the on schedule
you never well we didn’t have to worry
about money anymore like far come you
know it just makes me wonder like if
it’s fine it’s fine find me they’ll pay
suspension do that’s what is the
suspension and would that run into the
rider cup they’re going to have to watch
that closely but regardless it does make
you wonder guys like Sergio Ian pter Lee
Westwood who did resign their membership
do they then effectively reapply for
membership in the DP World Tour to put
their name in the Hat for potential
Ridder Cup right and and it’s a it’s a
question they’re going to have to say in
their career of where they want to be
yeah true but but it truly shows that
these guys have a pathway however it’s
going to mean some of these guys and
some some of the guys who said that
their incentive to moving to Live was to
be with their family more play less
stuff like that that might be a a pipe
dream because a lot of these guys may
have to now be splitting their time
between the two tours yeah see how it
all changed you know it might you know
like you said I was about to play less
golf but now I have to play even more
just to make it to Ridder cup but that’s
that’s on them but there’s in no way do
I see John ROM not being on that team in
20125 right for some reason I just feel
like he’ll be there they’ll figure this
thing out the loop that that’s great I
think Liv’s got it dialed in and it
makes you wonder how much of a catalyst
was it when John ROM went when you had
guys like Rory saying there’s no way
he’s not on that team Rory wants him on
that team now Rory is still a very big
name and face on the DP World Tour and
we don’t know what goes on behind the
scenes but he could have been you know
elbowing there and S telling guy
Kennings like make some sort of
clarification statement this guy we we
can’t lose it it at some point we’ll
lose so many guys you lose Hatton you
lose you know Rah you start to lose
these guys and it’s like we can’t put up
a fight at the Ryder Cup and nobody
wants that would you agree those are the
only two names that really are are are
could make the team should be on the
team think about it I mean like you said
there’s other guys at their end of their
career well on the European side too and
this is my fault for forgetting his name
but there was it was a younger kid who
was making a lot of waves over there
that could possibly be and and it
regardless what it shows you is that the
ones who are going to suffer if and
we’ve said this I think every single
week here on the podcast now is just
saying they’ve got to do some sort of
deal and and get these two leagues
somehow communicating and functioning
together because the ones who are going
to get burnt ultimately are us as the
fans who want to see this none of us
want to see a Ridder cup that doesn’t
have John ROM in it that doesn’t have
the best European players none of us as
much as I would love to see you know our
side the US team win every year I don’t
want to win unless it’s against the best
guys over there right so you see that
also we’ve got the PGA Championship
coming up you know as these majors start
to roll around it it it hurts us not
having certain guys in that field and
that’s why
ultimately either coming up with a
resolution for official world golf
rankings or some sort of other call it a
loophole or don’t pathway these guys can
play in the DP worlds whatever they can
do to acru the points needed to get them
in the field because it may not be right
now CU some of these guys like John ROM
have exemptions but if this continues to
out which is what it looks like it’s
doing it drags out year-over-year and
then in 3 four 5 years from now we start
to see some names that we would really
like to seeing those events drop off I
think we all get hurt for that oh yeah
no doubt about it it’s going to be
interesting how this thing unfolds I
mean we’re we’re in a non- rider cup
year but but you know wheels are already
in motion selecting teams looking at
teams planning for teams captains things
like that announc soon exactly so it it
it just shows you we are not too far
away to start thinking about this critic
the other thing that I want to talk
about is the what I would call a
dramatic success whether you and and
we’ve kind of said from the start it’s
like I I’m not here to take sides live
PGA Tour Etc we’re fans of the game I
just like to watch good golf right so
I’m not rooting for one side or the
other side to get hurt or or have a win
yeah objectively though you have to say
that the live event whether you’re a of
live or not the live event in Australia
this past weekend was perhaps the
biggest win live has had as long even
their since this Inception yeah no
without question it’s easily their
largest event ever but to me I feel like
okay they’re in Singapore this week is
it just going to go back to the way it
was like is it just Australia’s an
automatic win CZ of Norman and Lehman
and Cam and well I think the hard thing
is to say I I don’t think there’s
anything that’s automatic I I have to
tip hat to live if for no no other
reason the fact that they then gave a
whole continent an audience of people
who were dying for a golf event they’re
the ones who gave it to them and the
proof was the evidence was was in the
the attendance so you had
94,000 fans attend lives adelade event
and we’ll talk about Norman’s quotes
here in a second but I think it was a
lot of V indication for him being an
Australian and you think about the
amount of Great Australian golfers who
don’t get to play on home turf you think
cam Smith until he went over to live you
think um Jason day uh Min woi you know
these are guys like clearly there’s a
strong culture of golf in Australia and
they showed up yeah right and I don’t
think they showed up because it was Liv
I don’t think it was a protest against
the PGA Tour I think they showed up cuz
someone finally saw them yeah right and
recognized that there that there’s a
great and and you look at the audiences
what something the PJ tour craves a
youthful you know energetic audience
this was finally to me after years this
was live living up to its golf but
louder yeah I think no doubt I think
this is equivalent to like Australia’s
Coachella I mean this is like they were
planning this in advance like they knew
it was coming to town they all got hyped
for it like Australia came out for this
and they’re probably going to come out
even more so every single year they
should go back and do multiple events
there and and they had you know the
watering hole they they really fed into
it and and there are going to be some
just like the Waste Management Phoenix
Open here there going to be some who say
it went too far and it was too much for
them some people were complaining the
celebrations were over the top to me
they’re just kind of par for the course
if you compare it to the similar
business model of Formula 1 that’s what
they do spraying the Champaign all that
stuff but to me again it comes down to
and and yes it may EB and Flow there may
not be as big of an audience in certain
spots we’ll see what happens and see
what unfolds in in Singapore but this
shows me maybe this is the place for
these tourist to come together maybe
this is where live truly becomes the
international arm of top tier
professional golf because the reality is
you can make the statement and a lot lot
of said it that the PGA Tour overlooked
Australia for too long and should have
done more events there however the PJ
tour being a business too realizing the
vast majority of it of its viewership is
here in the states and you do have a
time change difference where if
broadcast is the the almighty dollar if
that’s truly what what rules the roost
is broadcast not just in on-site
attendants because they prove they can
get onside
attendance I wonder how much American
broadcast translates but maybe this is
where the two can work together live can
be that International tour bring you
know professional highlevel top tier top
caliber name golf to areas that the PGA
Tour has widely for whatever reason
overlooked for many years yeah makes
sense but regardless I’m Flo looking
some of the clips it was objectively
electric it was you know there and it
was a it was a the the vibe there it was
it was a not I wouldn’t call it a party
but it was just like a you know because
there was it wasn’t Carefree it was it
was it was a sporting event with a lot
of passion yeah I mean it’s rare if ever
you you see uh Scotty cheer chip in and
he’s chest bump in the crowd right you
know you don’t see that right some
people love it some people love it some
people hate it but at least here there’s
become an option for an entire a
continent that is very invested in the
game of golf that was widely passed over
by top top tier professional golf so I
think we’ve got to tip our hats to to
live for doing that and and you know
we’ll read a quote from Greg Norman and
I don’t think anyone would be more
invested in it than Greg who is you
Australian himself uh so he said
Vindication is not the right word it’s
the ignorance of others who simply
didn’t understand what we were trying to
do I actually feel sorry for them
because now they see the true value of
live golf and they want to be a part of
it the support Australia gave me during
my own playing career for decades was
something I have never I have never
forgotten it’s why I brought Liv golf
back home I did it for them the people
have and have well and truly spoken both
individual uh and team golf is Alive and
Well in Australia and they deserve it I
knew they would support this event I’m
feeling extremely proud right now what
we’ve done uh what with what we’ve lived
golf gone through over the past 16
months both as a league and uh what I’ve
CAU personally the the it it makes it
all worthwhile is basically what he said
so there he’s pointing out exactly that
fact like he had a a personal you know
motivation to go back to Australia and
and it in it’s proven the pudding like I
said that that Australia is is a is a
golf nation and it’s been widely
overlooked yeah no doubt I mean if
anyone’s having a I don’t think anyone’s
having a better April in Norman between
what happened at Augusta with all the
positive vibes and you know that must
have like made his world and then to go
back home and to have impressive numbers
like that right my man’s Riding High
right now he is and and I think like I
said there’s a lot of PGA Tour
Executives saying like shoot this is
proof we we should have invested more
time in in in Australia so uh Overlook
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the big news other big news this week
was the circulation uh the first
reported on by the telegraph talking
about what some of these numbers were
and you know they’re not calling at this
but effectively it’s a it’s a loyalty
payout for the guys who stayed on the
PGA tour um and we kind of knew it might
be coming yeah about it and and we we’ve
been talking about it here on the
podcast guys like the investment that
they’ve gotten from like strategic
Sports Group and this is why the PGA
Tour has been pulling in those outside
investors they’re still continuing to
talk with the pif for that investment
because at the end of the day if the
tour is going to compete financially
with Liv they’ve got to have a means of
doing that sure um now I full well
understand that it just seems like we’re
all as fans we’re all tired of hearing
it we’re all tired of hearing how much
these guys are making we all want them
to you know get back to playing so to
speak but there is another side of that
and there’s a big butt to that for us
you know these guys have to to keep
playing you know what I mean in order
for us to enjoy so like there’s a real
financial decision there’s there’s not
just players there’s there’s the teams
that they have to support there’s agents
there’s things like that and there’s
undoubtedly players who get pressured
and we know full well there’s there’s a
lot of people and we respect all those
opinions there’s a lot of people who are
totally anti- they’re not going to turn
live on at all and maybe those want to
see that their favorite player is
rewarded for sticking around sure yeah
definitely but in a way it also feels a
little bit like the rich getting richer
yeah because topping that list
undeniably Tiger Woods are reported $100
million he’s going to be pocketing and
we’ve said this this is very similar to
the PIP right yes so with the PIP we’ve
said year-over-year it just seems like
tiger posts two things on Twitter
throughout the year he takes home 10 12
million
you know uh but you could also make the
argument Tiger’s earned it tiger is the
needle sure and the reality is and we
can speculate all we want we never got
official
confirmation but there were numbers
floting around out there that tiger had
potentially been offered a billion
dollars to go to live and it may seem
like silly it may seem like laughable
numbers but it’s really not when you
think about top names in the game and
you think about even some on the the
soccer side side some of the name like
these guys the offers have been thrown
out there mbappe with a billion doll
offer to go play the money is there from
the PF so it’s totally possible Tiger
has offered that so this is a tenth of
that so what I was going to say is it
feels like it the way that the list
sounds is it’s possible that the tours
are offering them a tenth of what they
were offered by Liv cuz we don’t know
what spe was offered we don’t know what
JT was offered but I think spe and JT
are like 30 million is right so maybe
they were offered 300 next on the list
Rory
ma50 million and a lot of people
speculate he was offered 500 million so
get it yeah we could theorize we
theorize but you were telling me earlier
we were chatting about this um of the
1.5 about half of it’s going to how many
people so we get this yeah total number
$1.5 billion it’s going to be split
amongst 193 golfers who remain on the
tour but
750 million of that so more than half
significantly more than half is going to
the 36 biggest names in you know who who
stayed on the tour so 36 big names so
there’s your top 30 listen to this list
Tiger Woods 100 million Rory maroy 50
million Jordan Speed 30 million Justin
Thomas 30 million absent from that
initial report is of course the hottest
name right now Scotty Sheffer right but
you got to think when it comes to an
overall value that the tour has for
these guys it’s no different than the
PIP Scotty is you know he’s on TV all
day Sunday and he’s winning the events
but he’s very quiet social media he’s
not that’s not his personality that’s
not his Persona um and the PIP is
generated that way it’s for the guys who
become household names whatever no doubt
Scotty’s going to get some money because
the last thing the Tor wants is him
going to live and losing another top
name right um but I’m sure there’s
internal conversations how much we pay
each guy who are the guys who
realistically are not going anyway maybe
we don’t need to pay him as much so you
can think of it what you will and I’d
love to hear you guys’ comments make
sure you comment below and let us know
what you think about these payouts uh
regardless it’s significantly less than
a lot of these guys would have gotten to
go to live but it’s something and it
makes me wonder then why why now and why
this much because you got to protect
your product if you start losing more
people I think it’s their best
investment with that money protect the
product keep the names that are here
let’s not lose anymore so let me ask you
this as we speculate of whether these
two tours are going to come together is
this a sign of pulling apart or a sign
of coming together and what I mean by
that is you could think of it two ways
you could think this is a sign of you
didn’t go here’s money for your loyalty
and now because giving you this money
you’re guaranteeing you’re not going
right staying here right or is this guys
the tours are going to come together we
don’t want you to resent each other so
for the guys who stayed here you made
some money too now let’s all be happy
shake hands and bring them back in which
one is it oh man right yeah I know I
don’t know that’s a good one you could
debate that for a while it could really
it could almost be either and I think to
a certain extent I think we’ve talked
about this before we said part of what’s
hanging up the tourist coming together
is that the on the PGA tour side uh it’s
still a member-led organization and
those guys have to be happy with the
idea of coming together right and
there’s undoubtedly the possibility of
some resentment over there of still
holding out that I stayed here I stayed
loyal and I didn’t get any money out of
it if this calms that down and say okay
guys everybody got rich let’s put it
behind us to varying degrees you got
rich but everybody got rich send Norman
a thank you card yeah here’s 5 million
extra dollars because Norman split off
this league right uh and you didn’t go
and now by the way the purses on the PG
tour astronomical you’re going to make a
lot of money staying here so can we put
this behind us and and and can we lead
this
to the agreement that we need to proceed
I don’t know we shall see we shall see
it’s an interesting thought man but uh
is it enough but the interesting part is
there’s going to be a lot of guys that
are like no namers I mean I hate to call
them no namers but they’re not in the
top 10 or on the TV every week they
might get a half a million Buck they
they will undoubtedly be gu yes there’ll
be guys who are towards the bottom of
that 193 golfer list that they names
that are not known household and maybe
they take home six figures yeah guys are
trying to hang on their caddies are
trying to hang on right and some of
those guys may not have had live deal on
the table right right so this is to them
it’s gravy so anyway huge stuff here
regardless I think each week we’re we
just kind of inching closer to some sort
of indication of where we’re going to go
with this but for now we can only
speculate based on what we’re seeing
here regardless though uh you got to tip
the hat like I said whether you’re a fan
or not to live of what they did in
Australia uh I think I was encouraged to
see how strong golf is truly in
Australia from a fan standpoint and it
makes me kind of hope that Beyond Live
that other tours will do some more there
and other than just maybe hosting the
president cup there every decade once
every decade doing a little bit more for
those fans who are clearly there craving
craving more and seeing more um bring
the live Championship back there don’t
do it in Miami do it there right it
almost make make more sense yeah right
so anyway that’s everything we got for
you guys make sure you sign up for the
tournament don’t miss this one uh it’s
going to come up really quick this
summer like I said the link will be in
the video descript destion or in the
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20 Comments

  1. The Ryder cup isn't what it use to be for a number of reasons, but to bend the rules for cash.. sorry, 'fines', just shows how currupt and greedy golf is to the core. I'd respect the LiV players alot more if they didnt pay and play.. boycott the event. The DP tour etc has tied a rope for its own neck.

  2. The loyalty payments are a sign that there will be no deal. PGAT has always operated on the assumption that LIV has already failed. Ironically, it's the PGAT that is already dead. I haven't watched it in over a decade except recently I tried watching 5 events to compare and it's still unwatchable. I don't recognize any of the names except for maybe a handful. And these no names are winning.

    PGAT has operated under one strategy and one strategy only. To delay and not give an inch to LIV until they close shop. That's all they've ever done. That's all they will ever do. They believe LIV has already failed and it's just a matter of time until they fold. They've now secured their top players from going to LIV. So now it's a game of attrition and that was the whole point of SSG investment. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense. No one enters a field where all your top talent is being poached.

    I'm saying it now. This is do or die for PGAT. If LIV sticks around, PGA fails. They're in it to the death right now. The problem for LIV right now is how are they going to get new players?

    If there was signs of an agreement, we'd have seen it by now. But PGAT, OWGR and the majors haven't given an inch to LIV. OWGR just gave a 36 tour ranking points. It's all politics and money. PGAT still bans players. DP Tour is still fining LIV players. PGAT is still sanctioning courses that host LIV events. It's not getting better.

  3. DP is gaslighting LIV players hardcore… Sergio didn’t resign his membership and was told he was banned from the Ryder Cup no matter if he paid the fines… and they stripped Henrik of being the captain just for playing on LIV

  4. So it’s not about having the best euro players ??? Maybe these people/organizations shouldn’t be in charge of golf’s biggest events

  5. The Australian event was great last year too? Did you guys miss that? The anti-LIV perspective from you two is old… even the positive aspects get spinned to be negative.

  6. You guys looking to get a slice of that sweet Saudi $? LOL. Repeating Norman’s garbage about the fans at Augusta is next level

  7. I just really don’t like the euros taking money from players. Rahm, hatton and Meronk would be 1/4 of the best euro team possible in 25. If rahm truly wants to use his weight to bring everyone together, these 3 could boycott that event. Along with brooks and others on the yankee side.

    Adelaide was huge last year and other LIv events have been a huge success. But you can’t expect everyone to have a civilized party like Adelaide. Many places for cultural reasons will party less but enjoy it just as much. And some will party more and maybe not be so civilized. It’s a case by case basis as this DP guy Kinney likes to say.

    Keep in mind Adelaide coverage started around 3 pm in the islands, 6 pm on the west coast and around 9 on the east: we call that PRIME TIMe!

    The pga tour loyalty payouts are a joke. But at least less of a joke than pip, which may be the biggest joke I’ve ever heard of.

    Fact check: a little less than 1$ billion is being shared by players . Not 1.5. That extra half will go for other things; which of course no one knows exactly what.

    The pga tour and the cups will continue to be shells of themselves without the LIv players. People talk big names but there are so many we don’t talk about that are huge stars in their countries or regions.

  8. Im not burned as a fan. We watch Scottie win on the PGA on Sunday and we watch LIV on Youtube with no commercials and all action. I warch Bryan Bros and Grant when we need daily golf.

  9. It was when the pga tour started making the tour wrap around the year. That’s what ended the Australian and other smaller tours. Remember the Nedbank million dollar challenge in South Africa and then Australia had the Australian open, pga and Masters (it was the gold jacket😅). Because the pga tour was in their off season during November to Feb back in the day, top golfers could go play and help support other tours now they can’t really as it clashes with the pga events. The likes of Adam Scott, Min Woo Lee, Cam smith etc came back to support the tour in Australia whereas Jason Day hasn’t come back for many years when he could have. PGA totally screwed the Australian tour and with LIV it’s their only chance to get high calibrr fields there now. Jack Nicklaus, Tiger have won multiple times in Australia. Not only in Australia did the fans turn out for LIV but in Hong Kong as their first ever time to get such a strong field. That’s what golf should be about. Like you guys said why don’t they just let LIV make it for a worldwide tour. You might only need say 8-10 events but to have more elite players playing in countries and places where it’s hard to access elite players playing in one field. These PGA loyalty payments might even make it worse off for the pga, basically youre paying such a big chunk of the $$$ just to the top few guys whereas the other guys who would need it more basically get not much again. Out of spite guys might jump to LIv

  10. The guys that went to LIV are the ones who took a huge gamble, the ones that stayed on the PGAT don't deserve a dime for being cowards.

  11. It's worth acknowledging that Greg Norman is directly responsible for the strength of Australian golf.

    His commitment and dedication to growing the Australian game via Junior Golf sponsorship and promotion has for years been unquestionable.

    Greg's Junior Golf support in Australia is unparalleled.

  12. It is all about the A in PGAT, this is an American corporation who swallowed the rest of world golf for their own consumption and to put a product on US TV every weekend. The Earth spins on its axis giving summers/winters. Prior to the 2000's top talent played in the USA then came to Australia/South Africa in the US winter for 4-6 tournaments (not to grow the game, but to compete, The Australian Open was called the 5th major for a reason, the South African open from memory is the longest running open in the world, the prize money was also good). Nicklaus was not a 6 times Australian open winner and Gary Player 7 by accident. The honour role included Tom Watson/Bobbie Locke, while more like Arnold Palmer and Payne Stewart came close (these were in the days ot took two days and 3 stops by plane not private jets). The movement to make the PGAT and OWGR which NOW act as one was a deliberate play to control all talent into continental USA as was the mechanism to lock players there for 40+ weeks a year with the Fed Ex cup etc. In the early 2000's you could have players like Luke Donald, Kaymer who based themselves outside the USA, that is no longer an option, you must grind it out week in week out on PGAT. WORLD GOLF did not change, just PGAT monopoly of it (love clowns like Brandel and Monaghan calling Australia an emerging market, with all due respect PISS OFF). And yes you can say nobody forces them to play 40+ weeks in the US of A, but if they did not then their rankings suffered as OWGR became the stick that forced players into specific tournaments. Players all reported burnout, the elites have made it clear they want to play 20-25 times a year, and until LIV that meant life in continental USA and two weeks out for the Open and a warm up on links. PGAT has not missed a trick with Australia, what it did was deliberate and commercial it bullied and crushed all world tours (even DP) as any dominant business will do. Many of us see LIV as the liberator to right these wrongs, so to believe LIV does not have a massive following worldwide is nuts. By the way Monaghan realising he has left Australia out his suggestion was to send a Korn Fery event down here………… yes master many thanks…… If I sound like sour grapes read the 100's of thousands of BBQing Sunday Americans claiming LIV is stealing their game, then you know what PGAT did to all other tours (there has not been harmony for decades just a dictator tour). No other global sport, F1, Athletics, Tennis, swimming, Olympics has taken the route of PGAT and now it is suffering, importantly the players are not, choice has returned for them, despite the best efforts of Jay and others to brand them supporters of 9/11 killers, and ensuring they cannot as independent contractors play where they chose!

  13. In 2024 what is the practical benefit of the cut, other than thinning the field? 4 round tournaments on the PGA tour is an unnecessary punish for viewers and disrespectful to the players who contribute to the product but don’t make the cut

  14. I can't see LIV players if Tour stays at 14 events ,,play 4 majors.
    Why would these top liv players if deal done play more than 4 PGA events.
    They don't want to play 24 + events a year!!!
    Love you guys to discuss
    Dom from OZ ,we have been starved for 30 yts ,seeing top PGA players except Pres Cup,Melbourne 4 courses best in the World within 10miles of each other

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