Welcome to Episode 52 with Good friend of mine Dom Azzopardi and Nick Pugh. Dom and Nick are Coach and Caddy to Lucas Herbert. We dive in to Lucas’s wins on the DP World Tour and the PGA Tour and much more. Its a great insight in to the team behind the player, You will finish this podcast and find it hard to not support team Herbert as they are such nice human beings!
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Take Care,
welcome to the golf coach podcast
everyone today I have a good friend of
mine Dominic as a party on toour a coach
if you guys listen to the podcast a lot
you guys would have heard a lot from Dom
he was my first guest I had him on
recently and we touched bass and I’ve
caught him while he’s sitting still in
Sunny queens and I thought let’s get him
on and I’ve also got um good friend of
Doms and Lucas Herbert’s caddy Nick Pub
but I think he goes by the name Lush
beard I mean pewey I think is more often
than what he’s kind of uh what he’s
called about and if you guys have Lucas
Herbert play I think um it’s pretty hard
to miss Lucas’s Cy out there I’m really
glad to have you guys on M thanks for
coming on
guys thank you good to be back again
mate and uh as I said I’ve got Peri with
us for a few days before we head over to
live avalide and too good an opportunity
to uh not do this podcast and share it
with this great man sitting beside me
yes exactly I had this like as soon as
Dom was like let’s get let’s get Pew on
he and I was like oh wow great go some
research into this guy and he’s a little
bit of a myth aren’t you pewy mate have
you have you spent much time in
Oz um yeah quite a bit probably not as
much as I’d like to to be honest um my
wife and I have been here several times
on holiday um dating back for years and
years oh wow and then once I hooked up
with the um the Herbert Clan yeah I’ve
been over a for a bit we’ we’ve come
over generally there’s a few events in O
towards the end of the year each year um
and then yeah even back in the early
days when we used to come over and some
sort of train training camps and stuff
like that so there’s not as much golf in
Australia as I’m sure we’d all like but
anytime any golf being played here then
yeah we’re all here in a har so you’re
from England right Northwest of England
near near ho Lake Royal Liverpool where
the open was last year where Little
Brian Harman um swam his way around to a
victory in last July yeah J he did well
I tell you what PE it’s it’s interesting
to say that because it’s now I’m now
reminiscing a little bit where U A
friend of mine um
Ben lrey was in the english amate team
and they used to come out every
summer and he’d come crash with me and
at my golf course at long RAF golf
course at the time and they’d spend a
couple of months out here at a time I
think it was he would spend out here and
play all the events all the Amer events
is that when you you’re coming out here
kind of like with that crew or no I mean
I I I only started coming out here other
than on holiday once I joined team
Herbert so okay um I think that was the
end of 2009 19 was it or 2018 I can’t
remember um it’s been a it’s been a blur
should we say it was 2019 I think I did
the research 2019 so yeah I think I came
out for the O PGA was was our first
event we actually did a couple of
programs at nanger and
um aale yeah we last yeah Lucas played
really well last week and won them both
probably because I wasn’t on the bag to
be fair but I coming out and doing those
first two programs and and and just
being blown away by the by the support
that he had locally um which is really
nice um and then yeah we did the LPGA
and then yeah where we went traving
around the world that’s awesome wait
before we get started into it where did
your holiday in Australia because it’s a
big place it is and I’ve been to Perth
which um I know is sort of um rumored to
not even be part of Australia it’s that
far away they tried to yeah we did the
usual down Margaret River you know
tasting some wines and and that kind of
stuff and then I did a road trip with
with with the the the the misses I’m
going to say from around that area again
all the way up the West Coast a fway up
as well like we got to campan and did
the usual you know tour thing and that
was great I mean o Oz is probably as
much as I travel around the world Oz Oz
feels the most home um other than being
in the UK uh and all my UK friends and
relatives now will hate me for this but
it’s like a better version of the UK
it’s like the UK with night weather and
still with meat pies and sausage rolls
and you know all the good things that we
have back in the UK I would agree with
that you know like my best mates in in
in mainly when I was living up there
from the UK two of my Grooms men at my
wedding were from from the UK so uh
they’re actually a villa fans so they’re
a little bit excited these days but um
mate I guess before I want to ask you
some questions especially about you guys
working as a team because some really
cool experiences you guys have had and
some success you guys have had PE I
think one of the things I always am
interested and intrigued to learn about
is how a player or a coach or whoever it
is and how a person becomes a caddy and
then that relationship kind of with that
play because it’s not one of those
things where you know people might start
playing golf and they go I’m going to be
I want to be a coach not really I want
to be a player first and then a coach
and then maybe be golf operations caddy
is never really like on the job list
right and I’m always interested to kind
of feel like how did you get into being
a
caddy yeah I mean it it’s same exact
what you just said there I I played for
many many years um not well enough
enough but I mean I didn’t even have a
caddy myself when I played back in the
early days in the UK there only when I
came out to Asia and had another go at
playing um and then I had sort of a
couple of caddies mainly local guys that
were sort of know Loop for me yeah um
with not great experiences you know guys
who were just jumping on off the bag on
a weekly basis but I started to realize
the importance of having a good caddy
then when I was playing and then coming
towards the end of my playing career I
kind of just sort of a couple of friends
asked me if I’d fill in almost a bit
sort of embarrassed to ask me because
they were kind of like oh look you I
hate to ask you but could you just come
and carry for me this week or that week
interesting and I started filling in a
couple of weeks here and there and
really really enjoyed it like it was it
was the same challenge of getting around
the golf course but without the same
responsibility of hitting the golf shots
if you will and I feel like I always had
the skill and the ability to see the
right shots and to have the course
management and the preparation and all
that side of it I just wasn’t that good
at executing you know the desired shot
so um yeah I did a couple of sort of
just impromptu fill in weeks here and
there one at the European tour
qualifying school um in in Italy one in
European tour school at in Spain and
these were kind of dripped out over a
couple of years and then I was just kind
of at a loss of what to do I’d played
I’d coached um I’ve done some stuff in
the retail space and I was just kind of
looking for my next challenge and and um
not really knowing what I was going to
do as a career really um and just took a
trip out to actually it was Australia
yeah here we go full circle I came out
to Oz for the
Oz it was a western amateur no sorry
Western Australian Open at a Greg Norman
cor
somewhere no it was like something Cuts
anyway and um I feel again did a week
for for a buddy of mine there um Jamie
Sadowski was in the field
weird yeah yeah yeah yeah and then then
and then because I was in Oz another
friend of mine a fellow Pro from
Malaysia hit me up and said hey are you
in Australia I’m playing the Oz open
next week you’re fancy caring for me
there and I was like oh yeah okay why
not and this is what happens within the
cing world I quickly realized was that
if you’re in the right place at the
right time and you’re not you know a
complete drungo that drops a towel every
three hes or or loses stuff then you you
you your services are required it seems
to be more more players than there were
good caddies so I ended up filling in
that week at the at the Oz open which
was great saw Jordan SP Adam Scott all
these great players playing and that
really wet my appetite then I was like
hang on this is actually pretty cool
like you know yeah um again back to that
sort of feeling of not feeling the same
pressure of hitting the shots and being
able to actually enjoy walking along
inside the fway inside the ropes you
know enjoying that process so yeah just
stumbled into it that way for a few
friends
it sounds like it kind of matches your
lifestyle as well like the way that you
like to Holiday you know on the west
coast up a camper van type of style and
I guess it’s I’m not going to use the
term Gypsy but you’re kind of doing a
lot of travel right and getting around
so seems that kind of suits you to me I
think there’s you know it’s and I think
the more people get into golf more
people spend around tournament Players
the more you can see the skill that’s
involved in being a professional cting
and I know myself I have some of the
attributes but I definitely don’t have
some of the attributes I I I feel too
much to the point where I was just
extremely nervous what what like what
attributes do you think that you have
that are good qualities that are kind of
you know got to get your little ego head
on here right and kind of tell me why
you’re good at it but tell me why are
you good at a caddy and and what have
you evolved and changed since coming out
and now like how have you
evolved yeah great question it’s I think
that the the easy answer is is the the
sort of organization and the and the you
know I mean Lucas sort of takes the
Mickey out of me says that I’m OCD but
I’m just I’m neat entirely I like things
in a certain order but that’s that
doesn’t just mean my socks folded up and
my you know my high tops matching my you
know my my my shirt that day it it’s
from a mental perspective as well like
everything’s sort of ticked off and
organized and you know very much sort of
scheduling and that kind of thing so I
I’m I’m a big sort of box ticker and and
sort of doing things you know the right
way if you will um so that that sort of
um again it’s not OCD OCD is walking
into a room and you flipping a light
scripture on 47 times
before but there’s there’s attributes or
there’s there’s parts of of of that sort
of um liking I think someone said about
liking being in control of the
controllable so I’m very good at getting
all the stuff that I’m in control of in
order and then I turn up and effectively
then Lucas doesn’t have to worry about
whether there’s any te’s in the bag or
you know how much peut butters on his
sandwich that kind of thing so I do all
that sort of easy stuff but it’s also
time consuming stuff from his
perspective probably and then you know
you can go a level deeper then where you
know I’ll know what’s left of that fway
bunker you know if we you know take too
much off the corner on this you dog leg
par five type thing so um I I always
enjoyed looking at and studying golf
courses and that’s just got to the point
where it’s almost at a perverted level
now where I’m you know I’m never happier
than when I’m working a golf course 7:00
in the morning on my own making notes
and and it sounds cheesy but being
absorbed in nature and just walking
around when there’s no one else there
that’s actually you know part my
favorite part of the job that that must
give you um that would give Lucas a fair
bit of trust though right like obviously
he knows that how I’m going to use the
term I guess deliberate or pedantic that
you are about certain um processes that
are put in place where he’s got that
sense of oh everything’s okay Pew’s here
pe’s got this organized stuff like that
did did you notice in Lucas’s demeanor
at all Dom when um uh talk obviously
talking about Lucas Herbert here right
with his his career and PE is’s caddy
but did you notice in Lucas’s demeanor
at all Dom when pey came on that
something changed and some of the
attributes that pey bought to the team
because obviously you guys had some
success right you had two is it two DP
tour wins have you had pewy and a PJ
tour win with him uh with Lucas sorry
Lucas with with I we won the um Irish
open uh one in Japan PJ tour um Bermuda
yeah and on the PJ tour Bermuda yeah so
we’ve had four wins together a couple on
the DP World Tour sorry three on the DP
World Tour and one on the PJ tour yeah I
think um I mean some of the attributes
that I see with Pew is is just his work
ethic Toby
is he’s so prepared and I think the
other thing I I’d love and see a lot
with pury and I see it in Great Cates is
there nearly emotionless on the golf
course it’s like I think as a caddy the
worst thing you want to be is a
cheerleader and I see that a bit in
Cades and it’s like hang on it’s not
your role and in fact best thing can be
is less emotional around the player
because you don’t want that player you
know riding the highs and the lows you
just want them you know really
regimented every shot’s the same thing
whether it’s the first te ball in a 72
hole event or yeah you know 79 into the
71st hole it’s like like it’s just a
shot and I think that’s a really
important attribute of the cad I think
PE is just really evolved in so many
ways so when you you ask that question
about you know pu’s um influence on
Lucas I think theyve both matured
evolved learn a lot
about their line of work and and how
they work together I mean Lucas is 28
now you know if You’ been on the B 5
years he was he was you know 23 pretty
young that’s yeah he was fairly new into
it you know the first time I you in
Singapore on Jazz James bag probably
hadn’t been doing too much so I think as
a team Toby we’ve all sort of grown and
learned together whether that’s around
the role of the caddy the player and the
coach um and we all support each other
so much in that you know in that
development you know pu and I talk now
every day you know and it’s all just
based on how we can make Lucas better um
yeah how I can help PE in any way doing
his job to the best of his ability he’s
my eyes and ears out on the golf course
he’s always talking to me around you
know what language is being spoken what
shop they were trying to hit so you know
as a coach outside the ropes um you know
to have you know someone like Pew inside
the rope and communicating with me after
rounds you know and sometimes I’m not
even in that country you know we’re
speaking to each other you know these
were I saw these were I noticed you know
and we we’re so good at the two of us
around his Tendencies You and
understanding when he plays well why
when he’s struggling why that could be
so I mean they’re just a great in that
respect so that I mean that takes time
like in any in any relationship that
that takes you can’t fast forward that
process you unfortunately you have to
learn from mistakes um yeah but I think
you touched on a point there that kind
of there’s there’s very different
Dynamics within the the professional
golf world you know you sometimes you’ll
have a very young inexperienced player
with a very long in the tooth you know
great caddy that’s that’s been around
the block and all that and that’s often
ploted as being the right way to do it
is to bring this this this person of
huge experience in to come and shepher
the young golfer around but sometimes I
feel like that’s almost too much of a
power struggle there’s almost just too
much of there from one side yeah and
then you could look at it the other way
where you’d have a you know a a 20-year
veteran on tour who was brilliant and
he’d have a caddy that hadn’t CED before
very much and then that would be too
much of a power struggle the other way
where there would be too much
assertiveness from the player and no
sort of no input from the Cades and I
think look certainly in in within
professional golf one thing we all know
is that there’s so many different
variables there’s not one way to do it
not one one cap fits all look how Scotty
swings it compared to Adam Scott
compared to whoever you know it’s there
isn’t a right or a wrong and and sorry
all I’m waing on about here is it just
happened to be that Lucas and I were
both relatively new to the to to our
career paths and we kind of have learned
along the way together and that’s I’m
not saying that’s the right way it just
is the way that we’ve we’ve developed as
a team which is again not the norm maybe
or not always the norm but um just a a
freak set of
circumstances we just get on so well as
a
team one of my best mates you know I
turned 50 just before Christmas and and
pu and his wife came out from ker for my
birthday Christmas and you know we’re
spending so many weeks together on the
road that you know the support we all
have have for each other within the team
whether that’s p and I as coach caddy or
you know caddy cron as a fysio or you
know we’re all there looking out for
each other making sure that you know
there’s there’s always difficult times
on the road that you know we it’s great
to have support around around each other
and around the team and you know I think
we’re so fortunate with Team Herby you
know that we all get on so well and and
support each other and you I think a lot
of the success that he’s having and had
and you know hope that that gets to the
next level moving forward is you know a
process of of how we all work together
you know Jonah Oliver works with Lucas
on the mental side talks about ninjas
you know you want a team of ninjas we’re
all just absolute ninjas at what we
do you there’s no stone unturned and I
actually like that term that you know if
you surround yourself if you create a
team that is full of ninas I mean it
gives yourselves the best opportunity
and you know I think to any aspiring
young professional wanting to forge a
career in golf you know I would
encourage them to you know probably the
most important thing is to build the
right team around themselves of absolute
ninjas yeah I would agree oh absolutely
I couldn’t agree with that anymore M I
would say that in everyday life
surrounding yourself with people that um
you know not only doing you know we want
them to be not I I call them what I
through my studies is called Energy
vampires right people who are just
taking your energy and sucking you out
and just leaving you out in the Lurch
and you want to make sure that people
around are all contributing and you
don’t feel like you’re always having to
try and help this person and it just
becomes too hard after a period of time
right so if you’re all pulling your
weight but there’s one thing there that
you mentioned there PE right and about
the I reckon there’s been a big
evolution in golf that probably hasn’t
been spoken about a lot and one of those
is um the caddy type and the player
where it used to be like um you know
like you said a fresh player would get
an old school Cad and that’s what he
needs that’s what he needs well it’s
interesting because now you see well
probably about 5 10 years ago where we
saw Dustin Johnson I think get his his
brother on and then we saw Jason day get
his mate on and then you started to see
that a lot of these and like Roy maroy
like all these guys were just getting
their buddies you know people who they
had that good relationship with because
um I think when I want to be optimizing
my performance in any state I want to be
surrounded by people who are like-minded
people I get along with people I love
and I’m going to be playing quite well
it doesn’t matter if this guy hasn’t
been on tour for 20 years and knows what
that blade of grass over there because
that’s not going to actually
help me swing the golf club I need
someone next to me who’s going to make
me feel good right and comfortability so
there’s definitely been a big shift
hasn’t there oh definitely you can see
it I mean I think that that happens in a
lot of careers and and and and job roles
but yeah as the game has become and
without being crude and talking about
you know financially I think as all
sports become worth more money and the
prize money goes up and and the
pressures and all rest of it change I
think everything every sport at every
level is becoming more professional if
you will so yeah the guys coming on
board a lot of a lot of the young kids
in America a lot of the tour players
around the world are bringing their
mates on the bag but they’re generally
from the same background they’ve
generally played on the same golf team
together or they you know they’re ex
Pros themselves they they’re not just
complete noobs who who don’t know
anything about the game at all of course
they’re usually pretty damn good golfers
themselves and they understand then that
you know okay well you trying to hit
that shot because yeah that’s what we
used to hit 10 years ago when we played
college golf together and blah blah blah
so yeah it’s
definitely I’ve been saying it for a
while and and I’ve been conscious of not
sounding like I’m criticizing the old
school caddies if you will the guys
who’ve been around for years but there
does seem it does feel like there’s been
a bit of a changing of the guards of
late um but also as the probably the
reputation of of the caddy sort of gets
cleaned up a little bit so there’s fewer
chain smoking heavy drinking overweight
guys who are out there you know not
turning up for tea times that kind of
thing you know that that was the
oldfashioned sort of view of a cad it
was never seen as a professional career
which is why you know you say like no
one grows up want be a caddy but
potentially that will change in the next
you know 5 to 10 years kids coming into
the game and I’ve seen it on tour where
this this younger and younger guys
coming into cading because not just
again from a financial perspective but
they’re seeing that it is actually a
career path and there’s this gap for
professional you know like-minded
individuals who who are in it for the
right reasons not not just to travel
around the world
and Sh
every hey tell me all right let’s switch
up a little bit when I had dom dom on on
episode one the most of laughed on a
podcast since we spoke about a um that
he used to do Bets with Herby on the
golf course so bets around about having
to eat a chili and things like this do
do you partake in these types of vets
yeah I mean they go on again it’s it’s
cutting your cloth accordingly it’s
knowing your your your player it’s
knowing your your your individual as to
how you stoke that fire and how you um I
don’t want to give away too many Secrets
here because if Lucas listens to this
you’ll you’ll get wise very quickly but
again over a period of years Dominic and
I have I have figured out how to stoke
that fire if you will yeah so you know
certain players need encouragement they
need an arm round around the shoulder at
times and Lucas is no different but then
there’s other times where you you it’s
almost laughable where you can say ah
there’s no way you can pull that off
like there’s no way there’s no way you
can do that and it’s just you can see
the spark in his ey you can see the fact
that he’s just just bitten that big
juicy worm on the hook um and Dom’s way
of doing that is with these these chili
bets but yeah there’s there’s barely a
day goes by where Lucas and I on
gambling and it’s not Financial normally
yeah just a Daft bet like he gets to
pick my socks or what color shoes I wear
or I think there was a there was a
picture of me years ago carrying a golf
bag down a fway with the bag above my
head yes as as a punishment for getting
a yard who’s wrong which thankfully I
don’t do too often but yeah it’s again
it’s finding different ways to to keep
your player motivated and it’s um it’s
not it’s no more sort of uh Sinister
than than than trying to have it have a
bit of fun and I think you know
professional sport gets a wrap of of
you’re not allowed to be having fun if
you’re SE to be sort of smiling and
laughing and joking walking down the fur
well you’re not taking it seriously well
I can assure you we as seriously as any
other team out there um but on those you
know 95% of your time on the go of
course is spent walking down the fway in
between shots so we uh we fill those
times with yes some very very silly bets
well it’s funny talk about having a a
laugh and being relaxed in of course
because I’m a big component of it um I
truly believe because like I talk about
it optimizing performance right and the
the situation that you’re kind of
feeling but I watch I don’t get to watch
a whole lot of golf but I watched the um
the Masters final around because I
actually worked on that Monday cuz I
just flew back in and that um I’m going
to get his name wrong there so much golf
I don’t watch anymore look Lucas oh not
Lucas lud adberg whatever his name he
came second or third in the Masters or
something lud Ober lud OB yes apologize
for him butchering his name I’m sure
he’s another a listener but he I watched
him on the um in the bunker on the last
hole and you know it’s a fair bit on the
money you know when I think uh when
you’re coming down the stretch like
second third fourth obviously players
aren’t stupid there’s a ton load of
money that’s when they’re probably only
time they maybe maybe thinking about it
I don’t know but like there and he was
just getting into the bunker and his
caddy said something that just kind of
laughing and I thought wow it’s a young
fell 72 hole the Masters and he’s in
such a relaxed State and I I I looked at
it and said thought to myself there is
no wonder this guy is is reaching his
potential at these levels because he
seems so comfortable and at ease being
in that position and you
know I I just watched someone like a
like a Scotty Sheffer play at the moment
and um
he seems like he’s just in that state
all the time where not saying he’s like
he’s extra happy and but he doesn’t look
like he gets around the golf course with
the weight on his shoulders if you know
what I mean like he looks like he’s
ready to play well what do you think
about you know have you met he’s caddy
before uh you talking about ludig or
Scotty no no uh Scotty sheff’s caddy
yeah I mean Teddy Scott’s one of the
nicest human beings on the planet
there’s there I don’t possibly find
anyone who would say a bad word about
Teddy he’s just a like you said before
he’s he’s the opposite of a of a um
energy vampire he’s just so beamingly
happy and and and smiley whenever you
see him um but yeah there’s a huge
amount of really good guys out there on
tour carrying golf bags around and um
Teddy’s Teddy’s a very very nice humble
human being who I think was going to
retire before Scotty gave him the call
to come out and and sort of fill in for
him for a little while and yeah there we
go and again like we talked about
sometimes that that that match works
like Teddy’s a very very experienced guy
Scotty was relatively not an experience
but under performing should we say he
hadn’t won on talk and that that’s
that’s an example of how that Dynamic
absolutely worked you know that that
that experience Cy sort of was he the
difference that made Scotty Sheffer
suddenly become the number one you know
ball striking machine in in the world
who knows but um I’m sure they’re both
enjoying the ride while they while
they’re going along now to I can’t
believe your ass does does PU
know like these people do you not real
this guy like you go to Mages and things
like the these these not just the Cades
mate the best in the world they just
want to be around this guy come on stop
do you know Teddy Scott I mean Teddy
Scott and and pey and and the list goes
on like it’s legendary of this
B Teddy’s got four green jck I say not
four green Jack Teddy’s got four flags
from AUST Teddy’s uh in a different
Stratosphere than I but yeah I’ve been
very fortunate that with Lucas traveling
around the world we’ve played in some
big tournaments and been through a lot
of majors and you get to spend time
around these guys which is great for me
because I’m still
relatively despite the Santa Claus beard
I’m still relatively in experience in
the golfing world I’ve been doing this
for you know six seven years some of
these guys have been out here for 20 to
30 years so I’m always very very keen to
try and you know I’m like a sponge
around these Fells I’m always sort of
asking questions and trying to figure
out what what what can I do to fast
forward my progress because I haven’t
gotten another 30 years you know in cing
unfortunately unless they in in invent
some seriously good anti-aging pills um
or you Canam in years of knowledge into
into my sort of short sort of it Teddy
so guys like Teddy are great to be
around and Joe gin who you mentioned
there working for for for ludvig is also
again you know worked for Ricky for
years and these guys all learned a huge
amount over a long period of time so I I
try and sort of study is is a is a um a
glamorous way of putting it but whenever
there’s an interaction between a caddy
and a player on TV I’m always kind of
want to shut up and turn the volume up
because I want to hear how how things go
down I want to hear how that
information’s delivered the inflection
in the voice the timing and I’ll micro
analyze every conversation on on the
golf coverage to to try and learn
something you know interesting that yeah
of the opinion that I I haven’t learned
anywhere near as much as I need to yet
what do you think Dom about Scotty
Sheffer right now like I I’m under the
impression that people are just sleeping
on what’s happening right now like we’ve
had some incredible good golfers you
know over the
last uh you know since let’s call it
since the tiger domination right like a
raw
Dustin um you know spe you know Thomas
Justin Thomas up there for a while like
John Ram
but I’m just seeing with Scotty and I
know he hasn’t got all the Mages as yet
because he will collect them I’m sure
about that I reck and we’re just about
to witness the best since tiger I don’t
know I could be like it’s I I think
people are sleeping on just if you go
look at his World Golf Ranking and just
see what he’s doing like you have a look
at the it’s just single digits the whole
way down it’s like win second third win
T10 it’s all single
digits how farad he is like it’s it’s
neared back to what tiger was when he
was number one to me shows and you go
through those four or five other players
who you know since say 2010 have been
quite dominant at times and Scotty is at
the moment now when John Ram was winning
a lot or
JT the the golf swings don’t change like
Scotty swings it great obviously through
impact we can talk about the balance and
whatever else but to me when all those
five or six players you mention were at
the top of their game playing great I
think it it really identifies to me how
good they are mentally how good a place
they are within their life and I look at
Scotty at the moment with Meredith and
and like how just happy grounded
complete his as a person settled I don’t
know that I’m not saying he not his golf
swing he’s got a great golf swing as as
John RAM and DJ and all the players spe
that you mentioned were quite dominant
at different times I feel the the
biggest thing in his favor at the moment
is just how settled and how just you
watch him play that last round at austa
like mentally he’s just so switched on
just just thinking with with great
clarity making perfect decisions
yeah and I think we know that with
whether it’s Lucas Herbert or or you
know the golfers that that are listening
as a club player like we all tend to
play our best and we see the players the
the elite players we work with playing
their best when they’re in a really good
place and I just think he’s in such a
great place at the moment that that’s
really a a really big um reason to why
he’s he’s basically dominating
it’s we talked about it yesterday he he
he is he’s doing tiger esque things and
and we’re all fortunate enough that we
were around during the tiger era so we
we’ve watched that and I don’t think
anyone during the tiger era really
appreciated it until the numbers just
keep adding up and adding up and then
you realize guy is actually going to be
the best of all time it’s I’m always
cautious because I again we’ve seen this
so many times recently we’ve seen Rory
come through and be so dominant and so
good and if we’d have sat here 10 years
ago doing a podcast and talk about oh
well how about for the next 10 years
when Rory’s not going to win a major you
you just wouldn’t believe it like
there’s and Rory settled but he he
appears to be you know all his ducks are
in line golf is such a Fickle strange
sport that the weirdest thing can just
throw you off kilter and send you off on
a different tangent yeah you’ve talked
about JT you’ve talked about Victor H
Adam Scott Victor holand there’s so many
examples of guys who get to the top and
the the corny phrase is that once you
get there that’s when the hard work
starts and it just seems like Scotty
once he’s got there has found that Niche
that area that sweet spot where he where
he should be but and I’m not I’m not
professing to know the future let’s hope
that continues yeah SC could start
playing terrible in six months time not
terrible but he could lose that spark
and he could you know in a year’s time
we might be sitting here talking about
how good ludvig is and why he’s so far
ahead in the game the great thing about
golf is that I’m not saying everybody
can achieve that but there’s probably
you know 10 to 20 players in in in in
world golf now that you could say yeah
okay well if all this sort of clicks and
goes the right way then they could go
off and be dominant in the game let’s
see how long Scotty keeps it going for
and just a kind of T keep talking about
it but that thing about when you say
tiger esque and I think um people forget
as well how
how tiger won his events at times so for
instance like um what I’ve been used to
seeing lately is you know in a major
championship like at the Masters right
where you know what we saw was seven
people staying stale or coming back
backwards and we saw one guy just going
he was like I don’t know why you guys
are all struggling today why are you
guys all over par and he just went like
that and then that’s what we saw with
tiger right it was always like we got to
the round oh someone’s a chance here and
tigers goes not today buddy and then he
would just go up here and then they
would just come back down here and
that’s when we use the term tiger esque
it’s the way that he’s also winning some
of these events it’s like give him a
chance he’s gonna take it but um anyways
that was kind of that was just something
that’s interesting and I I just yeah I
just I believe it’s definitely got a lot
of value in talking about it peew so you
actually talking about the Masters what
was that experience like with her at the
Masters uh incredible and again I I’ve
I’ve been so fortunate and I’m I’m very
sort of conscious of of enjoying these
sort of steps along the journey because
you know I’m the same as the rest of the
golfing public I you know would get up
in the middle of the night and watch
coverage and watch austa and and and
feel like you knew the the the venue
before you even got there so yeah pleas
step foot on the hollow hollow ground
and and and when you start walking the
golf course and so much of it looks
familiar and then and then in the same
breath so much of it looks so alien and
so different because of camera angles
and the way that they structure what we
see on TV at home it’s a it’s a
thrilling experience to then actually
get to see behind the curtain and see
how everything works so yeah it was a it
was a wonderful wonderful week um but
then within the cad circles it’s kind of
a a sort of inline joke that it’s one of
the hardest venues in the world to cadat
because because of the change in
ulations and because of the wind and how
it SRS around some of these little
corridors and stuff you can see how
somewhere like Augusta Ted Scott is is
just you know invaluable because he’s
won that event with you know multiple
players now and they each time you go
back to a venue like that and you see
how a golf course plays it’s so unique
in the sense that it’s it goes back
there annually whereas the Open
Championship you may only if you’re very
fortunate you may go back to the same
venue on the open roster you know twice
maybe three time one of the you know
real sort of Legends of the King game so
I was very aware of trying to take it
all in trying to absorb as much as I
could again but there’s only so much you
can do within a within a week or 10 days
or whatever it was that we were on
property so uh all it does wet your
appetite and make it so you want to go
back again and again you didn’t get
asked to change your high tops I think
by the people like um Mr Jason day got
take told to take his his vest off the
other day I saw I was I was very very
secretive
um and there was a whole sort of process
that went on there I think I don’t think
anyone even knew that I had these sort
of special sneakers made um by some
sneaker artist in in New York but it was
to me it was like oh what the hell like
it doesn’t matter what they cost I just
want to turn up and and because you’re
not allowed to sort of stand out like
you say in the caddy World you’ve got a
white overall green hat you know you
you’re absolutely that’s how you turn up
and yeah I was very conscious I think it
was Thursday morning when I put on these
sort of green and yellow high tops that
i’ had especially made to uh I went for
a tap on the shoulder but maybe the um
maybe the golfing Gods got their Revenge
anyway because so did you stand out
walking onto the fifth grade first
walking down the fifth Fairway the the
Augusta sort of uh ghosts of the past
sort of got me because I slipped down
and fell on my ass and slipped down this
it was a really wet it was a really wet
master so the place was was saturated
and as great a job as Augusta does of
keeping the course playable there’s a
few little soggy bits here and there and
yeah much to my dismay I fell and
slipped on my ass and my white overalls
weren’t very white for long so Mr Ridley
maybe didn’t catch up with me but
certainly the the Bobby Jones the there
the ghost thereof definitely Tri me up
as I was walking down that hill on the
hard tops look good but not the overalls
the white golf bit of took a bit of a
paste in as well oh that’s so good it’s
so it does it does look a little
slippery I got to add you know one of
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putting segment we have here right guys
is I’d like to get something from each
individual one of you and Dom’s done
this one and we might start with dom can
you give me your number one tip or a tip
around about putting or something that
the recreational golfer or the
professional golfer who’s listening to
this um can take to use next time they
go pretty good timing Toby because I’ve
been doing a lot of work with some Caris
Davidson you know I work with on lpj
tour um spent two weeks with her in LA
and then Phoenix um doing a lot of work
around Tempo and obviously how that
relates to speed control yeah had a a
little tool blast motion that I put on
Herby’s party yesterday for the first
time that measures Tempo very quickly
and easily yep was it first 18 putts
two
2.1 to one 10o
every time like it was phenomenal how
consistently he you know obviously
that’s measuring back swing time um and
matching it to to time from top back
swing back to the ball and the
consistency he had around his Tempo and
the time taken for that back swing and
then um back swing to to ball strike was
just so spot on I watch this before on
this segment what do you mean when you
say 2.1 to1 just for people listening
what do you mean about that what does
that mean what are you measuring so your
back swing time so and and this
is I always want to be careful with this
so rule of thumb in the golf industry
talk about the time taken for your back
string so might be 08 of a second all
right and then the time taken from that
back swing to get the club back onto the
ball should be about half that point4 of
a second so two to one back sing so then
back swing to follow through so Herby
was 2.1 so he was basically let’s say
8282 to 38 back to the ball so slightly
more um I was lucky enough to go to
Scotty Cameron with Herby a couple of
weeks ago uh also went with Caris to
Ping we talked a lot about Tempo with at
both
facilities talking about most good
Putters are between sort of 2 to
2.3 so Caris was up around three so
really out of sync she was having a lot
of trouble consistently controlling
speed from say she’d be doing a good job
Thursday and then by Saturday morning
she’s hitting them all a little bit too
far past so just that consistency around
speed
control that’s where you I’m doing a lot
of work at the moment around just being
very consistent with that Tempo ratio
and then if if you create a lot of
consistency there how that ties into
much better speed control day in day out
for your average golfer who’s listening
y you know from when they play on a
Wednesday and when they play next
Saturday you know sometimes there I had
really good speed control on the
Wednesday Saturday no good like why was
that you know did that Tempo
change um from one day to the next so
you know there that might help some of
your your Club golfers um that might be
listening is to really pay some
attention to the ratio between time
taken with back swing and then back to
the ball because if that’s changing
dramatically you’re going to really
struggle with your speed control and you
add into that obviously uphill putts
downhill putts speed of the greens
change from day to day you know moisture
duw on the greens in the morning up and
into the grain Dow there’s so many
factors now if you’re adding another
factor to that and that’s the the speed
of your hit you know you’re going to be
really struggling with your consistency
of speed
control how can for the M modal out
there that doesn’t have the um I think
you use Capo how can they measure this
how can they measure their Tempo I
actually the guys at ping put me onto
this blast it’s called Blast motion and
you can actually order them on Amazon
and that I’m thinking they’re about 26
$6 Australian and it’s this tiny little
thing you put on the top of your poter M
sign the app blast B selling you know
should be selling gr back Basics mirror
which time great device but M because
you’re right capto we all use trackman
putting there’s all these great devices
that measure this Tempo plus the Heap of
other things but there’re thousands of
dollar MH
$260 a strain for this tiny little light
thing that you put on the end of your PO
goup connect it to an app within 3
seconds really it takes that long and
gives you feedback around Tempo now it
also gives you other feedback parameters
but I just use it for that Tempo um
because I just think so simple so
important for for you know the average
PD let alone someone like her it was
just really interesting yesterday when I
put on Herby’s putter it was just
phenomenal how consistent how good it
was you know I wasn’t surprised eyes but
I was blown away but just how good it
was I’ve seen I’ve said it on multiple
times on this we’ve been lucky enough to
be blessed with the two of the world’s
best pters and they’re from Australia
cam Smith and Lucas her it’s pretty
crazy right it’s pretty crazy yeah I
mean and it’s funny you know and I said
to puy this little device I’m going to
give it to them so that if I’m not an
event because occasionally her will walk
off you know a Saturday at a live event
he’s like haven’t puted great you know
it’s like guys put the device on let’s
just measure and and I think you’ll find
that gez you’re a little bit H today
mate let’s just get that Tempo back
interesting so I notic when Herby putts
really well his speed control is so
perfect because it’s easier obviously to
match to your read you know if you’re if
you’re reading a a 10t part that’s you
know right Edge well that’s only right
Edge at a certain speed yeah so if it
speeds out fractionally that’s enough to
leave it on the edge and lip it out or
or you know break across the front of
the hole depending on the slope you know
so you know I’m always looking at things
that we can that I can have Herby use
that just you know keep him within
parameters make sure that he’s always
putting it really well and for him it’s
a lot of his Tendencies when he doesn’t
putt the right around his Tempo perhaps
you know it’s one of probably the the
two or three things that he can get a
bit hty um and you know this’s just a
device that I’m sort of adding into his
training that’s going to allow more
consistent around his Tempo and
calibrate himself all right P when I
switch to you right for the Back to
Basics pting segment here for your tip I
want to ask you a question before we get
sorry might I’ll be shorter but that’s
okay I want to I want to discuss with
you p and I’ve seen you do this and I’ve
seen
you I forgot what it’s called you use
this kind of Channel pyramid thing that
comes down can you explain to listeners
what this is can you do a better
explanation of what I’ve just said and
and I’ve seen some crazy videos of you
doing it and it giving us different
results it’ll look like a little mini
roller coaster for golf balls it’s a
it’s a it’s a metal um ramp is the best
way to describe it it’s a company called
perfect putter in the US and it’s just a
way of rolling a ball
consistently um and people use it for a
lot of different things I use it to find
the the perfectly straight Pots if you
will so yeah on the pudding I’m trying
to find I’m try to set up um following
on from what Dom just talked about there
the reason why Herby is so good at
pudding and the reason why his only sort
of weakness is is is the difference in
his Tempo is because his fundamentals
are so good and because his stroke so in
ground and the reason why it’s the
reason why it’s one of the best pting
Strokes in the world the most repeatable
is because of the way that he practices
so that’s not by fluke that’s not you
know just that he was gifted as being a
good putter as as a kid it’s it’s years
and years of of brilliant work that Dom
and Herby have done to create this
almost foolproof way of practicing so
yeah I I I I find a straight put on the
pudding green yeah we then we then
construct uh what looks like some kind
of torture chamber of of te’s where he
has to use the the the putter to to hit
puts through this sort of Channel which
your average golfer would look at and
think oh that looks pretty difficult
they try and do it and the success rate
would be zero like it’s it’s that
difficult that but because Lucas has
done it for the last five 10 however
long you guys have been doing it for
it’s the best way for him to practice
his his pudding on a daily basis so I
use the perfect putter just to roll golf
balls down it has a laser attached to it
and I can literally find the perfect
straight putt on any on any pudding
green can you can you share with me a
story though on so I I want the
listeners to listen this especially the
recreational golfer about how putting
greens are perfect even on the PJ tour
you’re uploading videos from you know
what’s called Liv tour the main tours in
the world and you’re using this um
Contraption the ramp right and the
ball’s going down some of them are going
in the hole some of them missing the
hole how often does that happen that
that happens every every single week it
doesn’t matter where we
are yeah it doesn’t matter whether we’re
Augusta National or we’re at the local
mun or wherever you are golf greens are
not perfect they’re not made of granite
there’s a reason why when you go to Ping
and you do things on there it’s on a
granite slab that’s that’s the perfect
surface on a on a on a potting green
because of the way that Grass Grows
because it’s so irregular and because
it’s a moving changing evolving
surface there’s no such thing as a
perfect putting green now we’ve been to
some been very fortunate to go to some
incredible golf courses and there’s some
courses where you’ll roll balls down and
four of them will go straight in the
middle of the hole the laser basically
points at the middle of the hole so as
you roll a ball down
if the laser stays on that golf ball as
it rolls down this sort of line towards
the hole you know it’s a pretty good a
pretty good surface but even the
difference between I remember setting up
in Las Vegas as the sun was coming up
and you set up you find this perfect put
you roll some balls down it and you go
okay this is a this is a straight put as
the sun rises and changes position
within half an hour or an hour as the
sun rises and changes the blades of
grass now sort of move and and move
towards where the sun is so that put now
changes it can change within a 10-minute
spell um but even rolling four golf
balls you’ll find that one one golf ball
will be rolling along the line it’ll hit
a slight imperfection that can just be
the smallest blade of grass that’s not
growing in the exactly same direction
that’ll knock it off line by Point
whatever of a millimeter that now
encounters another obstacle which knocks
off line by another Point whatever every
millimeter before you know it that
Ball’s missed the whole left and then
you roll the next one down and that hits
a another chain reaction of of
impurities along that Putt and that one
misses you know on the right lip and
that’s the most sobering the most
humbling experience is rolling golf
balls down those down that perfect
Putter and realizing just how hard golf
is and we’re literally just talking now
about a 5 foot Putt and how how
imperfect putting is for example then
you can start talking about hitting a
seven iron off a of a hanging line a
driver and this that and the other the
the game that we’re trying to play and
trying to control is literally the
hardest most imperfect sport that’s ever
been created to man so this is just like
a micro orasm just a real sort of yeah
small
environment example of of how
frustrating golf can be like I’ll roll
balls down this this chalk line and
every ball will go in the middle of the
hole and then Herby will turn up you
know 20 minutes later or 20 minutes late
whichever when it happens and he’ll
he’ll roll put that starts on the TR
line and then moves and you know you
kind of look each other and scratch your
head and how’s that missed and that’s
that’s golf you can you can put in the
perfect
ingredients and and your shot will still
not succeed so just yeah but even
hearing talk about that right that
[Laughter]
shorter but just even hearing you talk
about that makes me scared to hit my
next part because I just know like
what’s the point and and my it’s so
funny because my father-in-law is a is a
once a year golfer right or once every
two years he’s actually just picked up
now he’s retiring and uh he always says
to me golf it’s a lck lucky man’s game
he always says it to me always and then
and then when I see you do those videos
I go man I’ll tell you what he’s he’s
kind of on a little bit here but it it
just when you kind of talk about that
right so we’re talking about the ramp
and the ball going down and I think it’s
mindblowing for people who want to see
this right I’ll I’ll see if I can grab a
link and put it down below on the show
not when pu put those up but then the
ball just kind of rolls offline and
misses the hole one might go in then one
might miss and we’re rolling it from the
exact same spot yeah do you reckon
there’s anything here per that’s
happening do you reckon there’s a
variance in the golf ball at all as well
or do you think it’s just the grass
we’re blaming here could we be looking
at the the golf ball not being perfect
there’s there’s not a variance in the
ball in the sense that I mean Ron got
famous a while back for for putting his
golf balls in epom salts and floating
them and finding where the exact you
golf balls in a certain way we can I
mean gez it depends on how deep you want
to dive with this subject and this is
where my brain starts to go off on a
tangent sometimes but yeah the dimple
pattern on a golf ball and as it’s
rolling down this surface then yeah it’s
not coming off that ramp exactly the
same every single time now when when we
initially and if you can find this video
it’s on Lucas’s Instagram somewhere it
was a
course it was a it was a golf tournament
called the Sanderson Farms tournament um
on the PJ tour and it was a Wednesday
afternoon so to put that in some kind of
context the pudding green gets more and
more use Monday Tuesday Wednesday as
that week progresses and later in the
day and by Wednesday afternoon
everybody’s trampled all over that
pudding green and there’s just
footprints that you maybe don’t see in
the naked eye but as soon as the sunsets
we’ve all played golf at Sunset and you
look around you go gez this looks like a
cricket pitch it’s
just Footprints there you compared to
and again I do this a lot I’m at a golf
course at Sun up when the greens look
relatively perfect because they’ve been
rolled and manicured and they’re
beautiful and then I’ve also done these
pudding drills late at night when you
know the sun’s going down and that that
surface changes immeasurably during a
during a day so that that video you’re
talking about on a Wednesday afternoon
and I’m rolling golf balls down one
misses left one misses right one misses
left one misses right the questions in
the in the video were oh the cad is
spinning them or he’s he’s putting some
kind of or he’s using weighted golf
balls or he’s doing this that and the
other now within a clinical environment
to get it absolutely perfect yeah you’d
roll on a granite surface and you’d roll
You’ probably roll a ball that doesn’t
have any dimples on because how those
dimples interact with the with the you
know roller as it goes down um all I can
say is that it highlights how difficult
the game of golf is but also just how
you’re only responsible for try and
simplify pudding in front of a pudding
coach but you’re only responsible for
setting that ball off from the line that
you’ve chosen at the speed that you’ve
chosen yeah and once it leaves the
putter face and in this case once it
leaves my ramp as I roll it the rest of
it’s down to the elements the rest of
it’s down to how good is the you know um
what what’s it going to encounter along
its journey and and that can be scaled
up to when you’ve hit a seven iron and
what wind it’s hitting and how it’s
landing and reacting with the with the
surface this this game that we play when
you when you break it down into
microscopic detail is absolutely
ludicrous that we expect the ball to go
where we want it to go there are so many
variables I mean wind wind isn’t always
exactly at 2:00 no ever and it’s not
always at 7 miles hour it’s going 71
down to 6 and and the and the angle
slightly different and you see that 12
at austa is like yeah it’s me before I
went to to a gust National you know I
used to watch the guys some land it in
the garden bed over the green then the
next group someone landed in the water
and you’re like how are they doing that
is horrendous like what are they doing
and then we went there and we flew on
into the water and hit a perfect shot
because the wind through that section of
course is just moving so much yeah and
CH in strength that it’s like cutting
that ball all you can do is at the
moment you these guys are making the
decision of what Club to hit right we’re
hitting this nine we’re hitting a 15 58
shot you know and and trying to land it
at 143 or whatever it is once you do ex
that it’s all you can do what what
happens in the air wind direction up
down whatever you can’t control and same
with what pu saying about you know
starting that ball on that line at that
speed that’s all you can control the
variables in golf are what they are and
as a as a you know golfer listening in
don’t be har yourself but yes you’ve
miss you feel you’ve hit a really good
PT from six feet and it hasn’t gone in
you know what you probably have and
that’s okay well then then you add on to
that talked about the the make
percentage on the DJ tour or the or the
live tour and your average golfer that
that’s out there playing with his
buddies and he and he misses a 10-footer
and he he gets frustrated with himself
and it’s like you’ve actually done a
pretty good job to get a 10-footer to
even look at going in the hole when you
think about the sence behind it you the
Z all the variables that are there and
and then that that’s then again without
being disparaging to to to the average
golfer but that’s a guy who doesn’t
practice very often and whose stroke
probably isn’t that repeatable and
probably didn’t spend that much time
reading the P because he was too busy
checking out the C girl’s tits or
whatever else so you look at the what
goes in all the ingredients that go into
making a putt and it’s like it’s kind of
heads scratching as to how guys make
putts at times you know and then you put
them in environments where they’re
putting for millions of dollars to win a
Green Jacket to win you know to win a a
pant of beer off the off their budy and
it’s that’s to me that’s what’s so
fascinating about the game is that you
can deep dive into every facet whether
it be the the perfect prodct we’re
talking about there you know pting
drills that that we use and stuff like
that
um it’s a it’s a fascinating Sport and
that’s what keeps us all in love with it
over so many years you never get bored
of golf I don’t think you might get
bored of your inability to play it at
the level that you want to but I think
it’s it’s it’s a sport that you know
what whether the PJ tour whether the Liv
tour whoever the governing bodies are
whether we have an official World Golf
Ranking whether they roll back the ball
Square grooves this that and the other
whatever you change and whatever you
modify within the game of golf it’s
always going to bust your balls it’s
always going to be the hardest sport you
ever play and without sounding cheesy
one of these great life lessons and if
you can if you can keep your head while
all those are around you are losing
theirs blahy blahy blah like golf is
such a micras example of how you deal
with adversity and and and failure and
success and look I’ve broke clubs over
my knees I’ve I’ve shouted obscenities
when I’ve missed puts we’ve all done it
but I think when you start to Deep dive
and understand some of the science
behind what helps this do that yeah then
it’s an even more fascinating sport I
love it well and one thing to add on
that right we close up the episode you
guys have been so great with your time
and one thing I love to share and one
line that really hits well with me is
like I want you to try your hardest but
not care about the result simple like
yeah it’s just such a it’s such a great
one to listen to Because what what one
to live by because um I’m going to try
my absolute hardest at the best gol show
again I’m going to go through all my
processes of the PE I’m going to do
everything I can to the best of my
ability right now and I’m going to do it
and I’m going to perform
I’m not care what going to happen and
that to me is when I’m at my optimized
in all my parts of my life so I love
that people I love that as well and so
we to to end up there on the Back to
Basics putting segment there you know uh
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cost effective thing so yeah it brings
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pting segment hey I want I want to shift
a little bit here up it’s I want I want
to talk about the experience because um
you know PGA T event you guys go to the
Butterfield Bermuda Championship there
right dom dom flies in with his magic
potion right and and gets everything
working as a team you know going into
that last day it was
absolutely teaming down with rain
right how far back what was Herby going
into the last round there of
Bermuda uh we were in the last group so
we I think two or three I think um I
forgot the guy’s name now the the
Canadian guy who was leaving that’s
awful um we were I think we were four
shots behind dannyan dannyan was there
if I
remember Lucas Danny Lee and another i’
forgot his name he played President’s
Cup um and we were yeah maybe four shots
back and and and he seemed like he he
he’ played pretty well all week but it
was also um he hadn’t won on the PJ tour
either Danny hadn’t won on the PJ tour
so it was a pretty inexperienced field
so it wasn’t like you were trying to
track down Scotty Sheffer it wasn’t like
starting the last round four shots
behind Scotty or tiger or someone like
that where you you know you thought this
is impossible nothing’s going to happen
whereas Patrick Reed was in the field he
he showed up late and he was the big
scare
I remember three four five to go he
posted a score he was going up 18 and
sort of was what one behind about what
we were he was because you know he knew
had to win but yeah other than that I
mean it was it was an unknown quantity
we didn’t really know I mean yeah the
guy the guys that were leading sorry I W
remember his name eventually um you know
he could have turned up and shot for and
AP par and the tournament’s over but it
I think it gave you a sense on that
morning of or or on the Range warming up
that hang on this weather is absolutely
brutal Like Anything Could Happen out
here today it just made it a bit more
exciting that right maybe we don’t have
to go out and shoot 64 today we just
have to go out and just hang around the
lead and see what see what happens do do
you do you think that weather on that
day played into Lucas’s hands definitely
no question no question I mean I’ve I
I’ve CED for a number of different
golfers now um but I’ve also been around
you know a huge amount of golfers and I
don’t think anyone is as good when the
weather gets
really disgusting you really pumping
with wind and rainy I mean we we W in
Ireland in the same kind of weather it
was it was it was gross for a couple of
days it wet and windy and he just seems
to battle down and and and and um yeah
show His True Grit when the weather gets
sort of really really nasty like that
and His short game is that good that say
his short game he cutting he’s holding
out I mean that’s so important when
everything on the back you got so many
pots of four to 68t in those positions
and he’s so good around that you know I
think that’s one of the B when you’re
falling around Dom and you’re kind of in
that situation
where um CU go golf is such a
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long it’s kind of like when I look at
like the last round of a golf tournament
right it’s kind of like the start of
grand final day where like the the the
the uh maybe the first few holes is just
kind of like when they’re getting up in
the morning you know that’s how long it
kind of takes right when I think of
Grand Final like a rugby league day it’s
like the back nine is maybe when the
game starts right what was it like for
you watching when did you like because
we put we put ourselves in situations a
lot and the the old outage is that you
got to keep putting yourself there and
you might get one now and then when did
you really start to go hang on I reckon
he’s I reckon he’s it’s him or someone
else here did you ever get that feeling
that kind of shift you’re right because
winning is hard you know like as you’re
in that last five on the back nine on a
Sunday you’re not going to get it done
all the
time but with Herby that day I felt
pretty good like it’s funny as a coach
you know when they’re pretty well in
control of the game you know like I know
he’s partnered good I know he’s he was
good mentally like I knew that week that
you know there was a lot of good stuff
going on and that day when the wind was
like it was and the conditions and he
you could just tell I could tell that he
was embracing ing that and and enjoying
the challenge and you look at some of
the others and going they don’t want to
be out it they’re not liking this and
you know I think I mean you’re right
that whole last day just ups and downs
and oh we’re in control and then he
makes his birdie and like then Patrick’s
coming and I mean yeah it it it was a
long day but you know I think for me I
was enjoying that like here I am you
know at a PJ T event working with a guy
that I’ve worked with for so many years
and you know you sort of pinch yourself
a bit and go this is what I’ve done to
work for this is this is part of the
journey enjoy it and embrace it and you
know it’s funny nowadays even watching
Lucas you know I just I don’t get
emotionally involved and and even a day
like that I mean yeah we want him to win
but I’m more nearly analyzing what’s
going on you know just just for the
future for ensuring that the advice I
can give the chats we can have
afterwards a relevant and right and
going to help him so there’s my my
mind’s always
thinking not so much about the result
but around you know just analyzing
everything he’s doing you know
technically and and his body weight just
so many things so I think because my
mind works that way I don’t get caught
up in the emotion as much as probably I
used to five six seven years ago where I
used to walk around the golf course and
you know Miss A six-footer and i’ like
head would drop I’m like you know like
come on what am I doing you know that’s
not my job that’s not my role whereas
now I’m like you wouldn’t he would never
notice any change in body language or
anything while I’m walking Golf Course
cuz I’m actually doing my job you know
I’m I’m really looking at everything
that I take out of it
because you know if I can just grab or
extract one little thing that’s going to
help him for the next day or the next
event then that that’s why he’s paying
me to be there so yeah that’s good
that’s good that’s where we’re different
emotional roller coaster hey tell me
last hole before we die by B on the PJ
do I want to get into I can’t haven’t
spoken about Liv yet tell me the last
hole there right PE um what was the
situation and you took an iron off the T
right
uh no I think we hit we might have hit
three oh actually have to pull out my
old yardage B to be honest we might have
hit iron up there we we went back there
and played the last U say fall I’m not
American we went there and played in the
fall series and and that whole play so
different because wind direction and
strength of wind and and and I guess
situation as well but yeah you’re right
we might have hit we might haveit did I
remember we had gap wedge into the green
and we were just trying not to spin it
off the front of the green and yeah AB
abely stuffed an iron shot in there
close but um what’s your heart rate like
at that time though when you get to the
72nd H in that situation how you feeling
I think what’s so great about because we
we were on a real Purple Patch there we’
won the Irish open back in
July uh we’d finish fourth in the in the
um Scottish open the following week and
then we didn’t really figure in the Open
Championship just because we were burnt
out by them but he was on a great Rich
vein of form at that point so
everything’s just kind of click and
everything just feels natural it feels
like that’s what you should be
doing you’ll go through similar spells
where everything’s going wrong and you
just can’t see a light at the end of the
tunnel and everything you say everything
you every swing you make everything
feels like it’s not working but then you
just got to bring yourself back to those
moments where well hang on golf felt
really easy there for that that spell so
it felt not easy but it felt like
everything was just clicking along and
doing what you were doing so
um there’s not huge amount of
leaderboards around and everything else
but I’m a bit like Dom in the sense that
I get very very absorbed in my own
processes in my own job like I can’t I
can’t control the outcome I can’t
control whether Patrick Reed bird is the
last or Daniel Lee chips in for Eagle
you know which you you make almost did
on sort of 17 and 18 so literally the
only thing I can control is right as
we’re walking up that fair on 18 right
where where’s the sprinkle ahead what
number does it say on it let’s get the
number to the to the PIN correct how how
far uphill is it playing is the wind
still doing what it was doing on the
previous screen you know I I’ve got a
lot of boxes to take from my own sort of
process to get the information ready for
Herby so I keep myself that busy in that
moment that I don’t have time to look
around and get distracted and look at a
leaderboard and start thinking about
winning like I I’ve always I think as a
player back when I played I tried to do
that I tried to absorb myself in the
process and it was a lot harder to do
because you got more free time as a
player whereas I find I find caddying at
that level and I don’t want to use the
word easy but it’s it’s it’s there’s
less room for distraction if you’re
going through all your correct sort of
processes and
processes and and and check you just so
zoning you didn’t yeah didn’t really let
it kind of overw you which is probably
another another attribute that’s
fantastic in that situation right the
last thing Herby needed was you seeing
youing shake and getting the the pencil
out your pocket like like this year you
know because I remember the shot he hit
in the last a and I remember I was
watching it live myself I think I was
talking to Dom even during the
tournament maybe and in the rain you
know hitting that knockdown Gat
wedge it might have been to 15t was good
shot I remember looking at it going
looking at it from my perspective going
that’s a pretty standard shot if I’m
down the street I hit that shot I go
yeah that’s what I would do but I
thought to myself put me right there and
then pissing down raid 7 72 hole my
first PJ tour win and I know I’ve spoken
D before about Lucas trying to get that
transition from DP to PGA to a event
trying to get that feeling of belonging
and and wanting to be on the you know
winning on that best tour hitting that
shot and if you asked me to hit it I
don’t reckon I would have even had the
nuts to go and hit it you know what I
mean and to pull it off it just looks
like a standard shot but to me I’m like
that is such a good shot that he
just hit into that green there and then
obviously the rest is history and then
that’s the that’s the difference between
that’s the difference between us and
them if you will is the ability to do
the normal
in abnormal situations and and I’ve just
but you a phrase from Jonah there but I
like it’s you know every shot that you
hit the shot that the shot that Scotty
Sheffer hits into the 15th you know hole
at Augusta it’s the actual shot itself
is never the never really the challenge
you know these guys aren’t trying to do
things that they don’t do on a normal
daily basis and yeah sorry to turn this
back and make this about me for a second
but that was where I always struggled as
a golfer is that I I couldn’t always do
those things in practice so then I
couldn’t do them under the pump like if
you’re trying to learn new skills coming
down the back nine of a golf tournament
then you’re just not going to do those
things that we’re talking about so so
Lucas yeah hitting that wed shot to 15
feet you know in that circumstance that
is just what these guys can do that’s
their skill set and it’s a it’s a normal
it’s a norm normal execution of a of a
shot in abnormal circumstances and the
less you can buy into all that that’s
going on around you um you which is
easier said than done but if you’re able
to just do what you’re normally doing
and and and and and not sort of treat it
as a as an abnormal as a extraordinary
situation and that’s why that’s why
golfers have pre-shot routines that’s
why you have a way of communicating and
that’s why like Dom says theoretically
that opening drive on the the first hole
of a golf tournament to that last putt
you know to to win or or lose a golf
tournament theoretically you should be
going through the same sort of thought
process but yeah normal people can’t do
that that that’s that it’s not a normal
thing to be able to perform under that
pressure so the rest of us look up and
and watch these guys do it and we we
aspire to do it but the truth is that
and this might sound cheesy but they’re
wired up differently they’re able just
to put all that aside and for that
moment go no no this is what I’m
supposed to do this is exactly what I do
normally on the Range anyway and they’re
able to block out all that noise and
that distraction yeah and that’s yeah
but that and and what people listening
to this right is that you know pewy what
I’m hearing pey saying that they can
it’s still not easy though right is it
it’s still like like like um you know I
hear stories all the time of um you know
tournament Players you know being able
to go shoot you know 59 at the home
course and then go to the next week and
shoot 78 you know like it’s like it’s
like right like the blocking that
out
and um it takes a lot of like he
obviously saying he’s working with a
mental coach he’s working so hard at it
all the time he’s got you on the bag
he’s got a whole team to try and make
that to make that happen and um it’s
about putting himself in that situation
and getting comfortable and and learning
on how to be there because I think PE
you can probably help me with this one
here as well is that I say to people
from my experience is that two players
have the
same shitty thinking time as golfers do
like I don’t want hit it over there but
they’re trained to not you know what I
mean like they’re trained to snap out of
that you know they got the same they’ve
still got the same stuff like I don’t
want to miss this putt or you know what
I mean I don’t want to shank it over
there someone standing there it still
crosses their mind they’re just like us
but they’re just better at performing
don’t you reckon oh 100% if you if you
hear some of the selft talk that goes on
on a golf course On Any Given Sunday at
any tournament around the world yeah you
would it would make the average Joe the
average golfer watching on TV feel an
awful lot better about themselves that
that’s how professional golfers think
sometimes as well and I’m sure Scotty
Sheffer is not walking down the back n
there telling himself that he’s
rubbishing Golf and he’s going to hit it
in the water but it it it crosses these
guys Minds as often as it does everybody
else um they just have a better ability
of knuckling down and and either
drowning out those thoughts or or just
acknowledging them and letting them pass
by and then they just have that ability
to to perform the these great shots
under under you and they don’t get it
they don’t get it right all the time
either I mean look at the Masters field
look at some of the players that missed
the cut and in every field in every
event like they’re not getting it right
all the time so I mean as Club golfers
you know a lot of the people listening
you know how often do they play to their
handicap you know is it one in six times
you know how often does Lucas play great
in a in an event one in six times like
it’s they’re not executing it all the
time week in week out I mean there’s you
know for for every you know cam Smith
finished six was it at austa and people
were talking about oh he didn’t have a
great week you know players didn’t play
well I’m like seriously you know what I
mean yeah yeah he played great he just
he was overshadowed by a couple that
played even better but you know there’s
there’s a heap of players in that field
in every field of every event and Lucas
comes into this too where they don’t
execute it all that well but we see what
sticks out to us and what we’ve talked
about in the last 20 minutes is examples
of where they have done a really good
job in executing their skills the
mindset you know everything they’ve
learned around that but like like Club
golfers Toby um these best in the world
they don’t they they have a lot of weeks
where they’re not playing great too yes
oh mate completely agree I understand I
think yeah yeah I think people need to
see that too right need to see that and
um yeah I remember used to work in a
golf shop I used to get the shits when
someone would say something like oh what
happened to S say this week he missed
the cut shut up you idiot you know what
I mean like these guys they’re
not he he might have brought his B minus
game but he’s playing against the best
in the world you fool you know what I
mean like like’s he’s going to miss a
card if he hasn’t got if
he’s you know like the difference
between your aame and your C+ game is
can be very little and and it can be 10
shots difference through two rounds or
you know four rounds I mean the
difference is
so so minuscule and there’s so many
other factors you know did you get
positive negative variances oh jeez I’ve
got eight positive variances that that
week and only two negative whereas the
next week you’ve had the other way
around I mean there’s so much there’s so
many moving parts to to golf and your
results and everything else that people
just don’t get and don’t understand but
for us who are you know involved in it
there’s just so much going on yeah tell
me about um you know we’ll talk about
the conversion to live now right when um
Herby um you know transferred his golf
skills over to the Liv
tour when did this did did did he take
some time with this I’ve had some
conversations with dom obviously you can
share what you you can only share what
you want to share right but when this
was first flighted to you even you pey
like what what did you what did you
think um it was very much it was very
much
uh I’m not going to think about it until
it’s you know an option type thing
because it was so farfetched that we
were going to play on the live tour at
that stage you know towards back end of
last year you know we were still trying
to cut our cloth on the PJ tour and and
and trying to find a way of getting into
uh the Signature Events again or
whatever they’re called now um so Liv
was just not on the on the horizon I
think a lot of guys um and I was always
a PJ tour fan growing up you know as a
golfer and that was always the Pinnacle
of the game and Liv came along and it I
didn’t really entertain it in the sense
that well until we’re playing on it or
until there’s an option of us playing on
it then I need to concentrate on what
we’re doing so it was very much uh yeah
sort of a off the radar for for me I
don’t know about for you I think Eden
and I’ve talked about over the last you
know
all last year and the year before you
know there was never something we really
Lucas ever put much energy into and I I
still remember the day I was down on the
go coast and Lucas rang me mid
December and sort of said that you know
through management that it’d been
reached out to and you know he asked my
opinion of you know what my thoughts
were and I remember Herby say sort of
saying oh you know don’t think I’m very
keen cuz we we sort of didn’t but we we
didn’t know much about it and I remember
all I said to Lucas that day
was I think we should find out more um
let’s let’s get some facts around XY Z
probably ABCD all the way after about M
because it’s a big decision it’s a life
decision play mate and I don’t know
enough about it to give you my opinion
you don’t know much about it so let’s
find out more and educate ourselves and
he was really good around that and I
think think I had probably what three or
four face um sorry zooms with Lucas and
you know management and different people
for probably a couple of weeks you know
I don’t talk to out school but yeah of
course he was really I was so impressed
with his maturity
around just discussing it with myself
and management and his family and and
you know you were involved a little bit
with some chats and I mean it was a big
move it was a big decision but I
remember basically you know probably two
three weeks after that first initial
phone call he made to me he basically
said to me I’d be silly not to do this
wouldn’t I cuz we’d found out enough
we’d learn enough but even though I
hadn’t been to a live event so you know
I’d spoken to
um few Pete count had a good chat to me
in Dubai earlier about recently read
that Live and Let Die book which you had
which that educated me a little bit so
yeah I think I think Herby’s process
through that was was really really good
and really mature and yeah it just got
to the stage Toby where it just made a
heap of sense um yeah and looking back
now I mean it’s been phenomenal for him
hasn’t it he’s he’s I don’t think I’ve
seen him as happy yeah as a person as
grounded as he’s ticking so many boxes
around his nutrition his his gym work
he’s he’s he’s just happy he’s just from
you know
yeah and from the outside looking in
from you know just about the perspective
about making that shift and the
difference I think a lot of people have
well as
well particularly from Australia because
we are so far away from America right
and the PGA Tour and there’s so much
pressure on you know I remember when the
new schedule came out that they brought
out when Liv came right and it was his
whole back ended schedule and you got to
play these x amount events like M got
fined for not playing event right
remember that like recently and I
remember John Ram just going that’s too
much I can’t go back to Spain I can’t go
um you know back to Spain see my family
I can’t play the Spanish open now that I
want to go playing because I got to play
those events you’re making my workload
go to so many more weeks a year and it
just makes more sense for an Australian
as well who is so far away from you know
home that they’ve got that opportunity
to spend more time at home too right and
and still get to do what they love and
I don’t know if I can put this into a
little bit of perspective but
um I’m pretty sure most people listen to
this love their job right love their job
but if they could just do their job for
20 hours a week instead of 50 hours a
week they would choose to do that as
well you know I’m not saying that’s what
Lu did but wouldn’t you you know what I
mean like that’s way I kind of looked at
it as well where it was like there’s a
lot of pressure on these guys playing so
so many events on the PGA tour there’s
so many things that are that make it
look attractive on my
end there’s so many factors Toby I don’t
think it’s you can’t narrow it down you
know and I’m not going to speak on
Lucas’s behalf here but I think there
was just so many factors that were
weighed into it that made his decision
pretty easy in the end and I think one
of the
things that Herby and when I say he was
really mature and I I really liked a lot
of the things he said through the time
was he’s really big
on Australian Golf and I mean you just
look at what he’s done last week he’s
come home he’s played the theer park
proam and shot 9 under or something and
then played at
aale and shot whatever there and you
know there’s 3 400 people going folling
around a pro am back at his hometown in
yeah so what Dom saying people I don’t
know if it’s it’s actually even far out
there but Lucas just come back and
played these proam events where in
Australia fire remember the winner gets
$1,700 you play it’s called a pro am you
play with the amers it’s for these young
tours and and for for Lucas to come back
and play in
that I don’t even know what perspective
I can put into it’s like someone from
the NBA coming back and just playing in
your local basketball
league yeah I mean but he loves he sees
I think again I don’t want to speak not
an obligation but he loves he feels
great about
himself putting back into Australian
golf I mean um he knows
that I guess I remember him saying to me
you know I’m I’m not playing the the c
or elevator events in 2024 yeah the
Aussies don’t they’re not going to see
me play on the PGA tour um whereas if I
join Cam and Leash and Jonesy at Ripper
GC mhm
I mean what that’s going to do for golf
in Australia and we’re going to see and
experience it next week in Adela is so
much more to grow the game of golf in
Australia and for kids to watch and
everything yeah and I I really like that
I think because that was important to
him yeah and I love that like he he’s
come home played every Australian Open
Australian PGA yeah that’s so important
to him to do this sort of thing and he
and he loves it you know I I love that
about him he he will always do that
um yeah and and I think that was a big
thing you as I said there’s so many
factors to why the decision was made but
I think for him a big thing was what he
can do for golf in Australia and I think
that’s really important sounds like a
little bit more freedom too pewy what
have you um what have you enjoyed about
going on to live what what have you like
can you notice can you share some
differences with us the listeners that
haven’t been to a live event or aren’t
involved behind the ropes like what have
you enjoyed
without being on a podcast for you God I
could throw you
on look it this there’s so many
differences and yet there’s so many
similarities like it’s still a golf
tournament it’s still okay it’s 54 holes
versus 72 holes but honestly my job
hasn’t really changed that much like the
the general dayto day of turning up
walking around a golf course making
notes in the yardage book you know
turning up setting up the pudding drill
you know cleaning clubs on a range going
out on the golf course feeding
information and interacting with Herby
like that the the the the the bones of
my job hasn’t changed at all yeah it’s
it’s a nicer environment and and I’m not
going to sit here and criticize the DP
World Tour or the or the PJ tour or even
the Asian tour where I started out like
I I’ve enjoyed every step of my journey
um which has just been alongside other
guys Journeys you know as professional
golfers so it’s not that it’s infinitely
better or it’s not that the PJ tour was
really bad it’s just I met I had this
conversation with someone this morning
it feels like the people that have
organized and put live together have
come from different parts of the world
different tours and different
backgrounds and they’ve all had the same
Quest and the same goal which is how do
we create the most enjoyable the most
the most Pleasant working environment
for everybody at this golf tournament
not just not just let’s let’s treat the
pros like royalty and the rest of you
lot can just spend El which is sometimes
does feel like in professional golf you
know we’re all treated equally and and
extremely well at at at Live Events and
it’s not I think the the downside to
live investing all this money into this
sport is that they’re seen as just
throwing money you know at a
game and and and you it’s become about
wealth and it’s become about prize money
and this that and the other but it’s the
simple little details of how well we’re
all treated when we get to tournament
yeah you we’re picked up from the
airport we’re taken to a nice hotel
we’re we’re fed we’re watered we’re
clothed we’re we’re just looked after on
a level that’s so different to anything
I’ve experienced in professional golf
before so that then makes for happier um
happier people within within the golf
tournament so the pros are all happy
because they’re being treated nicely the
caddies and the support staff are all
are all happy and and sort of enjoying
that that experience and we’re playing
at you know some great golf courses
around the world in front of some great
great fans so it’s it’s just been a
really easy transition for for me to
make it was you Lucas I remember called
me up and said you know would you how
would you feel about coming and carrying
for me on the lift or you almost like
would I be interested and I was like
I’ll carry for you in the Himalayan
Masters mate I I’ll go anywhere as long
as as long as we can go there and have
some fun and play in a golf tournament
yeah the fact that we’re playing for a
you know sizable increases in prize
money and that kind of thing is a is a
nice added on bonus but if we were just
playing for for money and the the rest
of the experience was terrible it
wouldn’t be anywhere near as enjoyable a
job so yeah yeah I think they’ve done
that leave have tried to do that with a
Fan Experience too like I’ve noticed
that I mean as a coach mate to go to
Hong Kong leave and have Grant field
there obviously working with Ken with
Jonesy D MCD with with leash like the
catchup can you imagine how good
that
is having breakfast lunch walking to the
range talking about different things
that we’re working on with our players
so the whole team
environment um has been really cool um
the interaction between the players the
coaches the caddies has been really cool
too yeah but just that whole experience
that Fan Experience like the the hour
before tea off is so cool like I I
didn’t understand it and get it until I
went to a couple events and like it’s
just the the the music the vibe the the
the parachutes the music the same song
it’s like your 10 you know it’s like an
hour before the AFL Grand Final NRL
everyone’s sort of building up and it’s
like this event’s about to start it’s
like that there’s so many really cool
aspects of that for a Fan Experience I
think you would use the word event too
right which is which is which is
probably is an entertainment thing but
enough I was just kind of thinking there
when pee was talking about you know just
the simple stuff right like getting your
clothes getting picked up from the
airport getting
hotels and you know this is no different
to playing in a professional sports team
like like I when I hear what you just
tell me right about all that stuff it’s
exactly the same as playing in the
Chicago Bulls basketball T you know
whatever it is you know the Golden State
Warriors they they get picked up from
the airport they get driven they get
they get their jerseys they go there
they you know they get looked over it
just sounds like that right where um it
doesn’t have
those those extra I’m not going to say
maybe maybe pressures or added extra
little different things that you get at
a normal PGA T event right and where
you’re kind of just fighting for
yourself it’s like everyone’s on the
same team and um what has that team
environment been like do you guys pay
much attention to that during the
event the the the team aspect of live
has probably been the most eye openening
for me and the most the most enjoyable
change if you will I mean don’t get me
wrong when when when you when you’re
cing on the PJ tour when you’re cing at
tournaments anywhere else in the world
and you’re looking at a leaderboard and
you’re seeing where you stack up against
the rest of the field that’s important
that’s that’s what’s paying the bills
that’s what you’re there to
do but then there’s a second
layer and because the the leaderboards
kind of turn over quite quickly so it
shows an individual leaderboard then it
show as a team leaderboard so you’ve
then got a secondary interest you got
okay well yeah we’re we’re playing this
good this week and we’re in this
position how is a team getting on like
what what can we what can we if we’re
back in 40th Place this week can we make
a couple of birdies to help the team
climb from fourth to Third and
potentially you know get a Podium finish
and it’s it’s very very different it’s
very very new for golf and I understand
that that’s getting a bit of push back
from some of the fans and maybe some
some of the the doubters if you will
tradition but I think when you get
involved and and that sounds patronizing
but when you’re in on the inside and
you’re actually involved in the team or
if you’re at an event and you’re
supporting a team it’s a very very
different Dynamic I I think that team
aspect of golf that so many of the
golfing world are quick to write off and
say that’s not how golf worked say well
no that’s not how golf has worked until
now but it’s actually extremely
enjoyable to be part of a team it’s
extrem extremely competitive trying to
have your team finish above the next
team whoever it is you stood next to on
the driving range you know that week
yeah and it’s it’s a very intoxicating
very sort of addictive element of live
golf for me that yeah you’re trying to
build a more cohesive and and a better
function in the team and trying to okay
well how do we how do we work together
collaboratively you know from a player
from a cad from a coach
perspective it’s been a very very
interesting shift because yeah we play
an individual sport golf always has been
and always will be an individual sport
um and this is has has introduced a
whole different aspect to to my career
to Doms to to to Lucas’s and it’s
actually I think it would be easy from
the outside to look in and go ah yeah
but no one really cares about the team I
can assure you that our first event in
mobra in Mexico and we’re going up our
final hole and we’ve managed to sneak a
look at a
leaderboard um we’re finishing on the
16th green and we’re playing 16 and we
think we’re in third place at this point
we’re like right this is huge right we
need to try and finish on the podium in
our first event um and we hit it in the
fury bunker and then we had a bad bad
sort of uh we couldn’t get to the green
and like Lucas is grinding his nuts off
to try and get this ball up and down
from like 30 yards short left of this
green we and again we’re I don’t know
what place we were in we were in 25th
place or whatever and there’s there’s a
there’s a feel of yeah I want to get
this up and down but there was a whole
added element of yeah right I really
want to get this up and down because I
don’t want to let cam down I don’t want
let Jonesy
down we’ve got a chance here to finish
third and that was a real eye opener for
me on that F not first on our first
experience of we actually need to hold
this five-footer to potentially finish
third Lucas hold it and there was almost
like a little bit of a fist pump and
like oh yeah great and then we walked
off and the and the TV guy who had a
rippers hat on I think he was an Aussie
and he was like oh guys you finished
four and we were we were mortified we
were we were
gutted we just up and down our ball we
thought we we we scraped a Podium so
yeah the team element of it and it just
keeps growing and growing and I can’t
wait to get to Adel I think that’s going
to be you know times a million as far as
yeah support from the crowd and and
actually I think that’s where the where
Liv is is sort of growing into now is it
we’ll travel live live Adel is going to
feel like a home game but then there’ll
be other tournaments that will not feel
like an away game but it’ll feel like a
home game for Majestics or
fors or for you know so you go into
these places where those teams are more
popular and that that’s again
introducing a whole different element no
different than going to silverston for
an F1 race and everyone supports lewiis
Hamilton and you know you go to Brazil
and everyone supports you know a South
American driver it it brings a whole new
element to golf that I think people are
very quick to criticize and and dismiss
because we haven’t done it that way
before but that’s you know pretty cool
that’s a definition of just being stuck
in your ways and and not wanting to see
and if if I’m in the company of someone
who is
um criticizing something that hasn’t
been given a chance or heard the full
story or completely understood what
they’re criticizing then you’re in the
wrong company do you know what I mean
like if someone just washes their hands
with it hang on you don’t even know just
listen to it right listen to what’s
going on when we talk about the team
aspect
right every professional golf in
Australia like uh who just plays maybe
around the australasian tour or proam
circuits that Lucas is went and
dominated right they will tell you that
they miss playing penants for their Golf
Club they miss playing penants for the
golf course and that’s a team
environment right yeah and what do I
tune to watch every single year pres CU
and ride a cup that’s a team it’s a team
so one of the things with team right is
like I what I’m witnessing and what I’m
kind of hearing
is in Australia I love watching rugby
league right it’s that’s what I grew up
and I love it right I love it more than
just my favorite sport to watch right
and I love watching the clashes of teams
that have got history do you know what I
mean so like last night there was a big
one between roosters and Melbourne which
are probably the two biggest teams we’ve
had in the last 10 years right except
for pen coming up now and I knew I
wanted to watch that last night I don’t
support any of them I was like I want to
watch this big Clash big game these two
teams right are going to go at it now it
might just take a while for Liv to um
not going to say create clashes and
stuff like that but to create these
types of you know hey hang on I’m sick
of watching this team win I want to see
this team win you know what I mean so
that takes time to build you don’t just
get in love and fall in love with a team
at First Sight you got to spend time to
watch it and and enjoy it that’s how I
view it
righte and the whole come I think being
Aussie I mean it’s been really
interesting we didn’t know leash Jones
in can that well like say hello and
whatever but yeah I mean the guys The
Forum and the caddies and the co it’s
been awesome like as Aussies we just
love supporting each other and you see
you see Cam and Grant and and you know
leash everyone and and the caddies you
know how hard they’re working and you
just want to see them do well and we
feel part of that you know they’ve done
a really good job of yeah making us feel
a really big part of that
and like he cares about that team big
time like he would we want to get the
podium we want to win like big time you
know so I think the work they’re all
doing is is a yeah as Pur said that the
the team element has surprised me
probably the most of everything that
that I’ve seen in Liv so far guys I
appreciate you coming on hey good luck
is it no 28th we’re going to live aren’t
we I’m not going you guys are going to
live
right suay down Adelaide next Sunday so
what is it Friday two days time we’ll go
and do some work with Herby this
afternoon uh been to go a bit of rain
tomorrow Saturday so it might be good to
get down to Adelaide and get some better
weather and yeah prepare I mean it’s
always nice as a caddy you know like
starting on a Friday gives you an extra
day as as a caddy gives me an extra day
as a coach once to get in there to
do some work around short game
facilities you know the greens are going
to be like 13 on the stink down there
it’s pretty Point doing too much putting
up here on the Sunshine Coast with the
green so it’s always nice to get in
early um and and do some work get his
game as you know prepared as we can for
for Friday start um and you know there’s
going to be a lot going on next week I
think for all four of the guys and the
team you know it’s such a massive the
buildup for for live ad’s been really
exciting not just for RI a GC but you
know talking to a lot of the other
players on live the the couple of events
I’ve done so far this year a lot of them
are really looking forward to Adela um
just shows that you know in Australia we
probably haven’t had the caliber of
golfers and the events here for so many
years it’s is you know what Greg’s
trying to get for for our country and
you know the way that the Australian
public supporting live adlay is is just
brilliant and and you know we just can’t
wait to get down there and experience it
ourselves can we that’s going to be fun
John Ram said that when he asked
everyone around um you know management
and you know players you know the best
event and they all said adelay last last
season so that’s it’s a really good
attribute to Australia and South
Australia and we’re extremely fortunate
to have us in and I actually think that
P you might have a little bit bit more
of a different job on your hands this
week right you might have a guy that’s a
little bit emotional wants to get a big
win this week being at home and um and
I’m sure that her’s going to want to
want to play his best golf and and
perform as best his ability in this
situation because one of the main
reasons he came right was to Showcase
his skills to the Australian public and
uh you know from the the golf coach
podcast uh people the listeners mate we
appreciate you guys coming on and I know
peew you don’t do a whole lot of this
stuff so uh I really appreciate you
coming on mate it was awesome to meet
you no thanks for having us thanks that
cheers baby
