We’re BACK with the first I Had Trials Once episode of the new year!
Jordan & Gaz are joined by former Manchester United, Middlesbrough and Wales star Clayton Blackmore to go over his life before, during and after football.
The boys discuss everything from why Cristiano Ronaldo is superior to Lionel Messi to what it was like seeing the class of ’92 burst into the first team at Manchester United!
Later in the pod they talk Paul Gascoigne and how he once destroyed Middlesbrough’s brand new team bus and why Ryan Giggs was a better player than George Best!
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0:00 Clayton Blackmore intro.
10:30 Early football life & playing out from the back.
15:30 Cristiano Ronaldo is the greatest of all time & Carragher is an idiot.
17:25 Signing for Manchester United.
22:20 Ryan Giggs vs George Best vs Cristiano Ronaldo.
26:00 Being the original Trent Alexander-Arnold.
27:50 The standard of VAR & Referees.
35:10 The rise of the class of 92.
37:00 Issues with the current Manchester United squad.
42:30 Leaving Manchester United for Middlesbrough.
47:10 Middlesbrough’s Brazilian revolution.
56:10 Paul Gascoigne crashed the Middlesbrough team bus.
59:45 Playing for Wales with Ian Rush.
1:03:20 Dropping down the leagues.
1:09:50 Moving into coaching.
1:13:40 Working in media & MUTV.
1:16:45 Any regrets in football?
#manchesterunited #footballpodcast #ihadtrialsonce
Right Jordan pal happy New Year pal happy New Year and Gaz has got up for some he walked over towards Gordon and Gordon’s got up and went bang smashed him right in the forehead and it feels like there’s a lot of referees you know when they put down on his CV who they
Support none of them support Premier League teams go figure that one out I just remember Robert coming where’s Gaza so they go away come they come back and he says you’re lucky you didn’t get fined and I’m like what was it Banger you went to yeah I went I played for
Bang I once took a girl to Wales to Banger back [ __ ] well thanks mate yeah uh new year new me and all that been running aren’t you I’ve been running yeah so I just I wanted to start the new year off in a good way by doing
Something good so did I but I’m not have you not well I’ve got this challenge of trying to run 150k in January so won’t be on 12 days you have done 12 40 60 60k already so I’m starting to feeling it a little bit in the legs but it’s for a
Good Charity save a few lives and I thought what a better way to start the new year so yeah yeah it’s been good dry Jan as well dry Jan yeah fa last night Thursday Club after training did you yeah had a couple D me yeah I know I’m
On I’m on dry gin dry side no yeah I just I just wanted to start off in a uh in a good way but obviously we got the podcast back so once again massive thank you to bet 365 for sponsoring the Pod cheers guys makes all this happen always gamble
Responsibly how was um how was Dublin yeah messy mate was it really messy yeah flight got delayed three hours I think so uh so you just steaming at the airport just tanked up at the airport got there went out nothing was really open first night but it done me a fa cuz
I get proper on over yeah we didn’t really hit it hard that night so the next day the Sunday we was up at 10:00 a.m. why would anything open on Saturday night well we got there at like 1 two in the morning 20 Lads turn up that bounc
Is like nah not a chance you all coming here at this time so yeah bit of an early one um and then just full send on the Sunday unbelievable time you start drinking about 10 Nikki Adams was on double vodka lemonades at uh 10 in
Morning and I thought how was he last in but he did he out all day all night and there were some some other teams out there weren’t they yeah there was a few uh a few of them got a couple of rounds in for us obviously cuz they’re R up so
Yeah cheers Lads yeah nice I don’t think they knew about it yeah so you were going to the barall W you and put it on somebody else’s tab I weren’t personally but yeah I don’t know whether it was also gainsb there as well so they were up to the same trick I
Think right listen the bigger boys will got to pay for the little boys sometimes aren’t they of course it does and you’ve um I was going to say you’ve scored a screamer but when you read it it sounds like a screamer yeah I think I think it would
Described as 30 yard outside of the foot Crossing in and then you watch it and it [ __ ] it’s like your mom’s written the quote for it so when I looked on and it said 30 yards outside the boot I was like who scored this people are going to
Be wanting to see this and it’s [ __ ] so it just like Loops over the keeper bounces Keeper’s just left it cuz he thinks it’s going wide he just hit the post and G in and everyone’s like whoa well done but I was I just scored about
A minute before as well and I was running around celebrating you know and you’re like yeah you’re buzzing and I [ __ ] so so when it’s come to you you it’s gone over the top and a thought they’ll catch me now cuz I can’t run so
I’ve just booted it it’s gone it was a it was a decent goal but it nowhere near as good as it sounded no it was all right I’ve scored a few more as well so all right mate it’s not all about you uh So you you’re well ahead points wise
Aren’t you yeah uh you’re going to win the league don’t say it’s too early to say we’re flipping middle of January it’s too early to say at a minute don’t want to [ __ ] out Robbie Savage is chasing us and his team so depends on injuries yeah exactly I get a KN the
[ __ ] yeah yeah if you’re injured you’re that’s it and you’ve got a new job yeah yeah back with uh jonno not on the spuds this time but um yeah we working with young people in the community so it’s good so JN know’s now your boss is he yes oh he said I
Said said to him might not train tonight he said listen if you start taking a piss not only will I [ __ ] you off from rackliff you won’t have a job either you double [ __ ] I was like oh Anthony come on he’s got you under his wing he he’s
Got me on toast mate pretty much same as I’ve got he’s just gone and got me a coffee yeah well what a guy about time he did some everyone’s been saying his quiz was [ __ ] well yeah his quiz were [ __ ] yeah right we are going to uh I’ll
Introduce the guest so he doesn’t know this yet but I used to have a poster of him on me wall in my bedroom yeah I had him Brian Robson and Ryan gigs and he was like I’m gonna say it not to me obviously because I don’t you know don’t
Swing that way but he was like the original heartthrob I used to think at at man united good looking chapter Fair he came in came in the VIP entrance today looking smart look it’s that lith that lith Sunshine it is so I I put it to me
Stepdad last night we have like a family group and uh I put got a good guest on tomorrow Fred because he’s a massive man united fan we were brought up as man united fans and I give him a few Clues and he got got it straight away Clayton Blackmore
Sun Clayton Blackmore welcome pal thank you man I would like I said this honest truth that you was on my bedroom wall fer yeah and the first time I ever met you in person you won’t remember this but it was years and years ago we were
Leaving Old Trafford and I pulled up at the lights and in the next car was I’m pretty sure you and Mark Hughes were in the back and Brian Robson was in the front and I think I don’t know if he had a driver or someone driving so my
Stepdad we had a a football and he he went jump out banged on the window handed it to Brian Robson with with a pen and you all signed it so I took that like obviously my stepdad were he were buzzing and we got it back home I think
I was must have been about eight and I was Mega into football so we had this signed Man United football in the house and we had it for about 3 days until he came home from from work and i’ been playing on the concrete outside it names are gone
Names are gone and he was devil yeah he went mad would have been worse about that as well yeah I know yeah it’ be worth at least a 10 or something he still says it to me now he says you you little [ __ ] but yeah welcome mate thank you
What have you been up to um I a lot really just playing a little bit of golf and obviously trying to do dry January I want to talk about are you doing dry January yeah finished in the second of January did it usually does but i’ I’ve heard you good at golf
Yeah I’m not too bad you you Scrat AR yet yeah I’ve been scratch for a long time really but um I turned Pro the trying and qualify for the seniors you know when you want to try and you want to try and improve then I grew up playing with professional footballers at
16 17 and I thought well playing with Prof professional golfers would probably help me you know he watched them and he I mean i’ I’ve always remember what his name uh what’s the guy know one of the top Pros said you’ve got the young Pros
Who come on the tour they look at all the top players and try and copy them yeah and he says no you’re already on the tour because of the way you already play and you got to play your own way yeah cuz you know that’s why you’re
There and you know and I think it’s built into you I mean for kids now I’ve started my kid very young just you know playing golf and his swing he’s already out driving me he’s only 14 is he yeah yeah so he’ll be up there then what’s he playing off
He’s off 19 at the moment but he’s he’s only just picked it up like in the last year or so yeah good thing is three of his mates dragging him up they’re all going together now they’re like playing 18 hes oh we’re going to have another
Nine I’m like yeah I couldn’t get him out to do nine at one stage but it’s great for them cuz they’re not roaming the streets or they’re not sat on the computers are they on the Xbox exactly yeah it’s brilliant it’s brilliant is he playing playing at Liv as well not yet
I’ve not dragged him out there yet I was going to say if he’s hardcore it yeah they yeah I think they well they they’ve got loads of jcbs on at the moment they trying to get it they’re trying to get the open in 28 I think oh are they so
They moveing the RNA have told them they need a bigger area for the practice range so they moving some of the holes over towards the railway right so who’s the who’s the best footb baller as a golfer tell and I’ve heard you know obviously I said Jimmy bullard’s decent
Sharpie is good mean Sharpie usually about the same but Sharpie is longer than me Sharpie it’s a draw he sharp and he’s well Shar Sharpie went on on Bullards yeah yeah they played what happened in that do W that uh Bullard one Bullard one yeah so he must be
Decent he’s good he’s yeah yeah Bale’s good as well yeah I’ve not like I said I’ve not really seen I’ve played with Sharpie like Sharpie is just long yeah but again it’s that when you’re that long you got to be accurate accurate that’s what you were saying accuracy accuracy is really
Important so right talk about obviously your football and you you started off as I was your a fullback when you started and then like I was for defens was yeah I was always a forward starting off yeah was yeah when I was a kid I was scoring
Like 100 goals this season right you got to think I think that’s a big problem with the game now some bright Sparks come out and thought let’s put smaller goals smaller pitches pass and they were saying they get more balls they get more touches on the ball but they don’t they
Lose the ball more because there’s less space Yeah the more space you’ve got I mean I remember we you know you’re running with the ball so you’re learning how to dribble when you’re when you’re like 11 year old now they they’ got no room to dribble soon as they get it
They’re like all over you yeah and then they all playing out from the back that’s too M Nothing by the way I mean I don’t get it I mean people have got three players around the edge of your box don’t play out from the back it’s a
It’s a time in a place to do that yeah but again we’ve got that’s coming from what it’s like the new goalie we’ brought in now Anana he’s I’ve watched a bit of footage of him last year in Italy and he’s like 20 30 yards outside his
Box playing nice balls yeah now you’ve got a play Under the pressure it’s a different game when people are closing you down and all of a sudden you you fall back or somebody plays a ball back to you and they closing you down yeah teams are doing in my now and you’re
Like but they go to do it stop doing it I get the I get the principle of of of why you’re doing it you D you like you’re drawing people in and then triangles and like your man cities and your liverpol can do it yeah yeah yeah
But if you if you don’t have the the right team and plays you can’t I don’t even think I mean I mean even City when they when they were at the best they if you close them down quick enough and properly yeah yeah they will spill it I remember wol
They were down at wolves and they were spilling it for fun there yeah cuz they were pressing and it’s look you you’re not your best players are in Midfield that’s what who was it um Mark Bowen mentioned it to me he goes why is Rio not running out with the ball because
He’s come from West Ham he used to dribble out with the ball he’s really elegant he’s quick he’s got great feet and I well he probably gives it to Skol you know was better than him that’s true so he doesn’t need to do it yeah but you
Like that’s what you I mean we always thought we play Go long and then the team will drop off then they give you space to play short and then when they start closing in again you just go long again yeah but when the amount of times
I watch us play and we’re on the watching United now we don’t get forward we don’t put balls in the Box it was funny we were talking about it the other day and all the lads were there we got all the old boys Alex Stepney and yeah
And we can hear we’re in the Manchester s and he can hear the feet rumbling and that used to be a goal yeah because the TV we watching the TV and it was like it’s usually about 20 seconds behind or 10 seconds behind and they were rumbling
The feet and I went oh we must have one in the Penalty Box and I was that going and it came up and it was oh this when it came on it was like yeah we had one in the Penalty Box yeah and then it happened again went oh it was a bit
Louder went two in the Penalty Box there was two in a p box not get enough people in the bo was getting excited because United were getting Bo in the Box usually it’s a goal yeah can you imagine them old boys and like what they won and now they’re
Watching it can you imagine I just don’t like it going sideways you go sideways too much so how back how did you go from being a forward then to like dropping into Midfield and I think it’s because of my age and my size and you know I was
When you came up you’re playing like I said when I was 16 I was playing with with men with Jimmy Nichols you know all the lads were coming towards the end of their career and that’s what you do and and I think that’s what’s missing from
It the game a bit now the play the young kids growing up they’re playing against young kids growing up yeah yeah and then all most most of the coaches have never played the game so they don’t really know you know how hard you have to work
Yeah I mean I’ve come off at all traff and I’ve been honest we won the game 40 I feel ill just from because I played in the middle Midfield middle Midfield is the worst position I love it CU you’re on the ball a lot I think beex was like
That because he likes to be on the ball all the time spraying balls he can shoot as well then when you get I mean I love shooting but you got to we were tracking back and forth that’s why Roy Keane Paulin robo all them they got massive
Engines yeah and they were up and down and it was just in the in the middle of the the field it was just so hard for me that was the hardest position to play how good how good is it listening to like Robo in I was going to say he was
Like some name but they could run them them guys can run for fun and push it I mean like I say I’ve come off my in the game I’m like no oxygen in my head yeah yeah how old how old were when you came into United was about 14 yeah 14 signed
School FS that’s when I stopped supporting leads right yeah you can’t support leads and being man united then could you and I was I turned up with leads and they’re all calling me scum I’m to be fair I scored my best SC against leads yeah but um you had a
Rocket of a shot as well though didn’t you yeah I mean everybody goes on about rockets and I’m like it’s I think it’s just timing yeah yeah yeah well timing is that what we talk but like Sky took it to L again yeah sk’s fing striking on
The ball was scary yeah you know I think that’s why he’s gone bum up there yeah and I mean you know everybody has who they think’s the best I mean for me Ronaldo there’s nobody can touch him I agree he’s like scarily he’s still doing
It now yeah yeah he’s nearly 39 and he’s like picture day in the mirror I swear to God it was me look like me it’s frightening it was me when I was 12 it’s it’s mad oh mate yeah but you look at all them but have you seen footage of
Him you want to watch the footage of him and I’m like wow it’s loads of footage I’ve not seen playing in Real Madrid you need to see the goals in it and then he’s when he’s at UV is scary he’s like he’s taking the ball of Messi like he’s a little baby
Yeah and I’m like people are arguing about it and that idiot what’s I’m going he’s I think he’s over will what’s his name no the Cory SC land man what’s his name no Jamie carer all right he keeps going on about thingy and I’m like what he said
Something once I think we played Spurs and he put something on Twitter he needs to go now he’s he’s toxic and all and I I couldn’t leave it I I goes why is he toxic he’s just sced a hattick for us at Spurs yeah and you oh yeah I remember
You’re a Liverpool player ex Liverpool play oh yeah I wouldn’t want him playing for United either I honestly I just I hate it when people are like that all the time when they’re talking crap yeah Jamie Jamie if you’re listening so he’s there at mirror and
He’s got like two dumbbells it says like he’s 39 or whatever some guy on Twitter’s put he’ll never know what it’s like to have 10 pounds in a kebab how sad is his life think I bet yeah yeah that’s that’s just a stupid Throw Way of comen you’ll also never
Know like to score in front of 100, and be a billionaire yeah true so what so who was the manager when you came is it Ron well and when I first came up it was Dave Saxton all right okay and then when I signed School uh professional forms
Yeah it was Apprentice apprenticeship of 16 it was Ron just took over when I came up right so what was he likeing cuz he seems OB massive character man I’m surprised he could walk with all the gold he had on him that much gold on him there’s there’s an interview when when
He comes into the club and he’s literally got big gold bracelets and big chain and he’s like a w b baracus Ron yeah big Ron yeah he was brilliant was my but we have training sessions so we train we only had the cliff then one pitch yeah there three teams you got the
Youth team reserves and the first team and a lot of time we all mixed in which that another thing You’ never get that no no we I’m playing with the first thefe actual first team players when I’m like 16 17 I remember who who were the players then Sammy Mar on Samy
Mack um Lou Marc’s and all them I grew up with Lou and all them so you’re Lear against them every learning with them all the time and then when you’re in a games they’re telling you what to do and you’re like you pick it up yeah cuz you
Want to fall out with golden McQueen God Rest his soul he’s big the big man you know he’s a 6’4 and I’ve in my first game no was my second game at Forest him and Gary Bailey had a bit of a do so we two up at half time yeah I was playing
Fullback in that game and I’m thinking this is a ddle we lost 3-2 didn’t we two nil up in lost lost three two so Ball’s gone over the top and Gordon said to him you should have come out for that and Gaz has got up for some walked over
Towards Gordon and Gordon’s got up and went bang smashed him right in the forehead honestly never I thought it didn’t get out I don’t know yeah so you got Robo and big run pulling him apart I’m s 19 I’m going how did they manage to keep it I
Don’t know in the dressing room that was mad in them days are they were like yeah there wasn’t as much Media stuff going around then and people well it happens all the time the boys couldn’t give it yeah cuz it happens all the time the boys yeah it’s they weren’t even
Bothered nobody must be some big characters in in that dressing room then massive characters and how did like Kevin Moran you know how did that affect you then growing up oh yeah I was like a little baby a little baby yeah I mean I
I mention I I played rugby as a kid and I think that really helped me if I had played rugby I don’t think I have made it as a footballer right in those days yeah yeah so I’ve got the body contact and all that going on I even played up a
You as well when that’s when I realized I won’t be playing rugby that was a bit too rough what a [ __ ] game just can’t do it it’s easy they used to make so at school they used to say cuz it was a rugby school but we had a class football
Team yeah did say did you run the football team no he never met it he never got in I was in net cuz the team was decent so I had to go in net but they used to say you’re not playing footy unless play for the rugby team we
Was like [ __ ] s like sound will do it but we just got hammered every week what happened to your face then gr everything just affected in it look at me only bone I BR I brought my arm playing rugby I didn’t realize i’ done it yeah
But I think it’s the only time i’ I was the kicker there so it was I love kicking the rugby ball and all that no that’s not rugby you can’t you playing I was playing Center and frer so yeah yeah you just you dive over the you put the
Ball down there there’s about eight of them diving on top of you to get a piece of you yeah so how how long was Ron there before Sir Alex came in um was about seven years oh a long long time of your career then oh yeah yeah big Ron
Yeah yeah well I mean that was a difference with I think Ron loved his names as well so it’s as you’re a kid growing up it’s easier to leave you out right so I got that one a few times I’ve got when I thought it was playing well
Enough to be in the team I mean a lot of the times when Rob was out I end up taking his shirt like so I’ve wore seven yeah I don’t know how many times I’ve worn it but I’ve worn it quite a few times but obviously knowing soon as he’s
Fit the Seven’s moving he’s back in he’s going back to him see have obviously my stepdad always talked about Brian Robson and apart from George best he he always said I played with George Brian Robson was a like his favorite player the best ever and it weren’t until I watched the
Robson documentary that realize how good he feet well he yeah I think people realize I I was I didn’t realize how good he was with both feet yeah but is more his engine and his driving you know to push well well Captain Marvel wer like he’d lead by example was he yeah
Well he’s done that obviously for England as well yeah but um it’s a it’s probably a pity they didn’t his shoulder went a few times in it with the English thing kept disate in his shoulder didn’t he yeah but how how good was he yeah
Well I mean he’s a nice guy as well you know helping everybody he always helped the kids you know when they first coming in there was no agents and all that them were kids and he’d be going into the manager and trying to sort things out
For some of the younger Lads as well oh what like sorting their contracts and stuff yeah know he’d help them was it yeah it was brilliant Rob class what was besti like I would to say yeah where best he was for I think he was about 42
Then he’d obviously he finished ages ago but he was you could just see it with the movement and all that with the ball yeah and uh but I mean I’ve I’ve watched footage of him when he was playing all I’ve to be honest I’d have
Ryan in front of him was yeah yeah Ryan Ryan was the one I couldn’t play against at the club because he was too agile everybody else had thought I could get to him and have a tackle and have a fight with him but Ryan is just gone
Yeah he was like that I like I say when Ronaldo came in he actually made Ryan look a good player instead of a brilliant player yeah I think Ronaldo took it to a ridiculous High I never saw him give a ball away Ronaldo could could you see when he came in that
He had a different like work ethic and drive or or was it just his ability warmup if you watch him in a warmup and the boys do the you know the quick feet and you just Fanning about the side of the pitch all the F and you can see the
Difference of the speed of his legs going to everybody else and it was like wow he’s like three four times faster than him yeah yeah everything he did was like better and stronger I’ve SE I’ve seen pictures of obviously when he first came into into United you come from
Sportting Lisbon or something yeah I watched that game you watch that one yeah John OA disappeared for a month honestly God he had a great preseason as well John John had a great preseason in America and then the next man goes where’s John gone because he had a
Really good preseason and then next minute like after that game he didn’t didn’t see him for about a month Ronaldo’s talk Ronaldo’s talking about to yeah but he like if you look at his his body and his legs and stuff it was a kid wearing and then you look at it like
Four or five years later you know like physically just I’ve seen him he’s looked really bigger wday and then he’s gone he’s come back down a bit yeah but you do more muscle is heavier yeah so so when when s Alex came in you started playing more regular then yeah well
Obviously I was a bit older and he knew a bit more as well then so I mean I played in his first game which wasn’t a great result again we lost two because you had you had a tough start yeah yeah wait we were all over the I mean mid I
Was me and Paul mcgr Midfield right I me in that game I thought Paul should have played center back yeah Paul was like scary Cent back well we had um we had Alan Wright on oh yeah so like wght is a good good mate of M and he played with
Um Paul Aston Villa and like he he went into how how good he were there honestly the year the year we s we got rid of him he he had three knee Ops yeah and in the end they took it all out and in preseason he was at the front in running
And I’m like I what him going how’s that happening he’s flying like you could just see the difference and then we got rid of him I was like oh [ __ ] and then they nearly beat us to the league because of him more than anything so you
Think you think but we didn’t know we didn’t know he but I could you could see the difference cuz he’s at the front and running and usually like strolling at the back yeah the guy didn’t need to run he was just that fast when he needed to
Go he had like after burners which made him look like he wasn’t running as well someone said that you were the original Trent Alexander Arnold that Alexander that that role sort of yeah like a to be fair he bomb more he bombs down the line better than
Me yeah was that he runs a bit quicker than me no yeah was a similar similar sort of thing I’m a ball player I mean I’ll take most of our LS on now I still think I could beat them now watching them play you can’t put a
Crossing from the yeah you could you you could pass you should be able to do that I mean that’s Elementary part of the game is it yeah you need to be able I remember Ryan Ryan couldn’t kick was right I mean Ryan I remember him scor
One from outside the box he he improved with it even you try and work on it yeah and I don’t know whether what it’s like now in the acmy or you know when you get a bit older you know when you get into the first it was like the twins I
Remember when they came in they weren’t really great acrossing Fergy and them practicing after training they were practicing out to cross the ball you can see them working on it you only get better things when you do it it’s repetition is it is that what s Sir Alex
Were good at yeah I think he knew he knew what people needed right and he was for me he was the best man management was he yeah what was it lack in the dressing room with with it you don’t want to know you me at half time just I just
Yeah somebody somebody was on the other day somebody oh no somebody was showing me what’s his name at Arsenal OHA kicking off like that’s not kicking off that’s not kicking off but a couple swear words and I’m like that’s nothing do you not think like I always think you should be scared
Of your manager like there’s got to be a respect and Scar because you don’t want to let him down you don’t want to get a ballock him but I think sometimes now it’s a bit too yeah well I think the game gone too much they everything has
Gone that way on it it’s gone people don’t want offend each other do they with with honesty no I mean my biggest thing in football now is is the referees I don’t know whether they need oh you two could you you two could have your own podcast minutes need more than 10
Minutes you know I mean I when V came in I’m like you can’t cheat now you can’t cheat cuz it’s on the Telly but [ __ ] the result they’re still getting it wrong how’ you get it wrong with the TV whoever’s in the room and gets it wrong in the in the room
Should be binned yeah I tell you all you need to do is get she have a I wait to match of the day and it goes they’re going to hammer me [ __ ] they got it wrong again it’s you could tell it in seconds the Liverpool the other week
The one of Liverpool I don’t know there’s a few of them and I’m like you know I’m I hate Liverpool but you know if I’m refereeing I’m not going to cheat I don’t I don’t I hate the cheating thing of it and it feels like there’s a
Lot of referees you know when they put down on a CV who they support none of them support Premier League teams go figure that one out what’s he called who support he put down aling didn’t he so I was my new anybody in the area it’s a giveaway
As well is it yeah Ram fan there we go I’m like who’s a ram fan there’s nobody supports R and it’s Martin ainson so we’re in the Far East and we I get told by a referee he goes oh yeah he’s got two season tickets for
Leads Martin Aon has all right then I went I remember the games then we played Chelsea away and he was reing and it was a couple of really bad decisions he should have sent you think that swung towards because he was a leads fan like just
It’s in the back of his man he definitely has no honestly it was Rooney David Lise took Rooney out it was a yellow card yeah he’s already on a yellow as well yeah nothing then he did the same thing again to chorito and then everybody gives it oh
It evens out to the end of the season it doesn’t the guy goes up and scores a winner David Louise shouldn’t be on the pitch right yeah it’s happened loads there was another one then Gary Neville was doing hry on sky so he’s G it was like Arsenal and United
Going for the it’s right at the end of the season really important games and HRI can say yeah yeah I can say it now I’m I’m you know I’m in an offside position you’re like about three or four yards offside but what it then the camera pans out and
It goes on to the linesman because the linesman’s the one who’s yeah yeah not give it or give it and guess who it is Martin ainson he’s should I give it to should I give Arsenal or should I give it to United I like Aral more I hate United keep flag
Down but it that’s why it shouldn’t be allowed that’s why V has to be in there I tell you what I tell you what I don’t like about V at the minute you’re losing you know the dark arts of football yeah and you the dark arts where you you
Can’t leave someone on there’s never been any dark arts in the last 10 years I’m saying but back in your day like a big part of the game Wen it yeah it was dark arts and it was a kid growing up yeah in the reserves but yeah
But I mean it’s a football game and it when it comes down to it and the main thing is just getting the decisions right and not so why why do they have the angles like that now for offside the camera angles like that they used to
Have 10 years ago 20 years ago they had the angle like that you could see it straight away they used to have it all the time where and all they need to do is change the offside rule back to if the forwards if there’s space between the forward yeah and the defender there
He’s offsite if there not I always think it should be the foot yeah like it now it’s like it can be the rib you just like just have your foot no but they’re looking for that AR they that that’s that’s the offside thing there offside if if your foot’s there
You’re forward and your shoulders off you can score with anything I mean I’ve scored my hand before bit of a one bit of a maradon one against stock don’t tell stockall fans right guys just a little reminder uh little break in the podcast to say if you enjoying the podcast subscribe to
The channel subscribe to the Pod subscribe on YouTube any comments retweets it’s all it all really it keeps us in the job doesn’t it keeps us here mate keeps us bringing the guests in keeps in on on the minging haircuts that he keeps paying for yeah it is so that
Uh and hopefully I’ll quit my day job soon so keep it keep it going subscribe I’ll name some of the people in that dressing room when he first came in strong characters like um Robson Paul McGrath Steve Bruce Viv Anderson Gordon Sten Brian mcir like they’re like the
United lads who I yeah I was there before them except for yeah it was there before Rob was well was yeah but yeah like you say I mean the other the ones I had that was like the G McQueens and that they were I mean I played in a
Reserve team and everybody in the team had over 30 caps for the country Frank stapin was up front wow we had a honestly we played forest and at Old Trafford and and that’s what we did in the reserves again yeah he played on Old Trafford he played on the main
Pitch and which for me they just started up again the pitch is are magnificent now yeah not going to get they firm they’re dead firm and that’s why they they keep you know the the roots are that strong but we used to I think we used to play like 12:00 kickoff at
Anfield and the first team are playing at 3:00 at Trafford so we used to mirror yeah yeah so the main the Northwest games would they’ mirror each other yeah obviously we didn’t play Spurs and all them except for in youth cups and all that but they for me they need to go
Back to all that it’ll teach the kids a lot more yeah because now you’ve got you’ve got to get them out on loan to get them Senior Games and it’s like no one wants to te 18y old talking somebody at Chelsea and they had like 30 players
Out on Lo had that many players 40 in the first team what they doing at minute it was the best play you ever played against man united so against against yeah not in your in your team um it’s probably one of them look when we played
In the Super cup cichic all right he was good you probably never heard him no cichic so he play he went to AC Milan but they had the three Dutch Lads hullet all right hullet for me he’s one of the best players I played against as well
And uh so they again it was only three foreigners real and all that so he could he didn’t even play at one part of the season but the following season they went and he they won the Champions League that year he scored from out the touch line in the Champions League final
Guys all left foot saich think try to think who it is never heard never yeah but what year is this great play it was when we won the it would be 92 when we Play2 we he was his Club disbanded because of the war and all right um oh
God my memories C dementi is kicking in what was that like then 92 because that’s obviously when you got the young Lads the class of 92 yeah coming through what was that like in the dressing room when when them Lads well they 92 they were in a thing don’t they
They were in they were coming through they were they only like 16 then yeah but they like they started coming up trading with the first team and yeah well a little bit coming through a little couple of them a couple of the better ones are coming up like SKS
The schi was I remember we the year we the year we left in 94 schi was man must have been 16 17 then because he they were playing in our Reserve team yeah so there was me robo Mickey felen Le cely Dion Dublin and then we
Had them mixed in with us that’s what I say you they were the last ones I think who grew up with professional players at 16 17 yeah so they’re learning off us if you ever watch them play and the closing down and all that you know they were
Real I mean Beck was unbelievable running running machine closing down he used to drag I remember watching him playing anything he’s dragging the others to do it because he’s running around chasing with energy and all that and that’s all it is I think that’s the problem now with Marcus Marcus needs to
Do that yeah he can the guy’s a running machine but like like you watch you watch them old programs of them and everyone used to say oh Beckham’s delivery or his free kicks or which was great but his energy he drive that was the biggest thing just to be honest I
Just wheel him out there now and leave him on the right yeah wheel him out there get the ball to him well I’ve said that about the what’s the other l oh ER so he’s I said stick him on the right we get deliveries he don’t have to run
Around just get the ball to he’ll put the ball in I did that not getting any balls in the no ball cuz he cuts in on the left onto his left foot Anthony Anthony can’t kick it with his right to be fair 80 million him
But again when he does it it’s like when he does it and you’re thinking we going do it again just keep doing it but he’ll go in the next time and think oh I’ve already scored one just keep doing it if you’re going to just if you’re going to do it do it
Positively it looks like he doesn’t want to do it the second time so what would what would Al what would Sir Alex say then if if you weren’t performing like that on the pitched him and oneaka would for me first of all as soon as they got there
Be going well you need to start working on crossing the two of you yeah and Waka is not a great Crosser ball guy can run for fun I mean if you watch him against uh when we play Brighton the guy’s taking the the wide man on the Japanese
Lad he’s a decent player yeah M and he’s M he’s running he’s he’s doing it the other way around he was mad yeah he had a great game but that’s but I don’t get we we’re leaving goals in because we our shape’s all over the I’ve got fullbacks
Everywhere full I mean I I I was an attacking fullback but it was like you need to do it in a control old way yeah we I mean when we played Spurs we were tuning up last year I think it was and somebody’s put the ball in and I think
Uh Bruno hits a crossbar and he’s he’s getting the dive in Eder the right back is in the Penalty Box yeah up there and I’m like I we were two n up away from home and then the go the I think the go the first goal for them came from that
Side you know it’s just a closing down I don’t I don’t know you know if they work on defending and all that and I don’t think they do really yeah I think it’s bit bit of everything is it really and then so obviously just going back to
Like the lads who were coming through talking about fullbacks and stuff was you was you there when obviously Gary and them what were breaking in that team then no they weren’t no I was I just leaving you just left weren’t you I was leaving they were in that team the
Nevels were in there as well yeah SC was the talk of how good these Lads were who were coming through or not yeah you know they they could look after themselves and you know when you’re thinking they’re only 16 17 but I mean like you say that we we
Had to do that when we were growing up so but I mean I I still think we’d have done them the 82 the 82 Clan would have you think you’re better she be class of 8 Class of Grey MOG Billy Gart played Auggie played against maradana didn’t in
That game three nil when we beat Barcelona so he’s not bad Rob on night so aie Billy Gart Andy Hill played for City the goalkeeper played for Leeds in Northern Ireland his only the right back didn’t play he was a Welsh lad he was back and went back to the mining
Villages right but nearly everybody play Lawrence P and played he went abroad Lawrence but we were a big team was that night what what what was that night like which one’s that when when you beat Barcelona yeah it’s a I mean you’re there for just win you know you want to
Win stuff and to be way he scored two yeah he took It Wide of the key and then smash hon God he’s got muscle a you wouldn’t believe it yeah the top of his TI it’s like that high yeah I’m I tense mine I’m like it’s not there it’s not
There the ball all the time I’m the one who kicks it from 30 yards or yeah I mean when I wasn’t playing I was like pinging balls all the time cuz you and Hugh best minutes were yeah yeah we we roomed together for 14 years like I remember him saying he say
I sleep more with you than I do with a wife well chance of making a cup of tea still never met you on what was he um what was he like cuz like you see what he was like on the pitch cuz nickname Sparky were ni he was angry he was
Aggressive he I it was that in that afternoon when we play Barca I remember somebody interviewed him we just added some food he goes he go what are you going to do now he goes he goes I don’t know about anybody else but I’m going to bed sleep obviously the Siesta thing he
Done the Barcelona thing the Siesta thing and l l going I’m like I I’m I can’t sleep so I’ve got the tell on I’ve got an AR Swartz [ __ ] film on you know shoot them up fil you got the volume up when they talk and all
Of a sudden the machine guns are going and all that and he’s like [ __ ] turn that down cuz he’s trying to sleep he I kept him up all afternoon how chilled he was before a game that’s prob yeah he just got to sleep was there no piss UPS
Piss UPS no I mean I mean there was one remember we lost four to QPR right we lost four QPR New Year’s Day so everybody said we were out drinking I don’t got to say I can’t say what the other Lads are doing but me and mat we
Had a couple of beers we took a couple of beers with us into the room and that was it but what we what happened in the game it was really windy day and we changed um who do we have it was gigsy and kelus and we put sharpie and Mickey
Felin on the right those two were like terrorizing team they’ have won the league we could have dropped a couple of players and played with them to and I just thought we couldn’t really get out in that game and the guy up front he got black lad scored three goals and he
Scored atrick right can’t remember his name though but he was and he just disappeared then nobody heard of him again M we lost 41 I think so it weren’t the beers it was the Wingers why look I guess no I would have said it was down
Well they both come back from injury as well so they weren’t really sure yeah well he was he was sharp sharp what was it like when you left United because obviously you went to Middlesboro did did Sir Alex come and speak to you did
He tell you that your time was up was he no he didn’t did he not no no it was my I blame Robo is that a is that thing for me was yeah it did a bit because it was I mean Dennis was doing well Parks was there and you know he
Could tell there a change with the kids as well and I what it was I’d just been out for an I had an injury her up and it he actually kept me out for not a year but he was like I said to the guy I’ll
Be back in in the in next February and I I was in the following February before they get the other side done when I asked him to do both sides ah right and I haven’t got massive problems with it because they started experiment I mean
They put me give me an epidural on my spine right and I to be fair I was a bit of a dick I didn’t I didn’t you know when they give you this is what we’re going to do to you I didn’t look at it I
Just went I say I don’t want to know you’re going to kept me open like and all that yeah but you think they know what they’re going to do so that was all on it and I was like oh that’s a god long time as well well I had women have
That at BIR don’t yeah exactly and they they have bad backs in yeah why would you it’s a hole in your spine yeah so I’ve the following day I woke up and I’ve got a massive edit I’ve got spinal fluid leaking into my head to my brain maybe that’s why I’m forgetting
Quite a few things but no I was in I was in agony honestly they could any all the painkillers nothing was touching it couldn’t get to sleep I was awake all night and the following day I mean he came in at 5:00 in the afternoon he could have come early in the morning
Yeah and I’m Hest he was in agony old and he goes oh right we’ll have to take you in no no that’s what he said he goes lie down flat he telling me to lie down flat cuz I got up cuz I’ve heard from all the other Lads you can’t when you
Get up you can’t move it’s all cuz he’ve been stitched up your stomach’s like that you’re all bent over so I got up and I’m like I can’t feel anything and that was why he had the the epidural num me right all right that’s what they were
Doing it for you come back you don’t feel it and you so I was I I had to they they put a blood clot on it had to take me down again the surgery took some blood and put blood clot to close the hole so he
Was out a a lot longer than thought well what what I I came back after the first one and it just it didn’t feel right at all yeah and I mean he was just on going it felt like a year where I wasn’t at it how did did you hear about midb then
Well obviously we were robber would could have been wolves right was nearly I think we were the gaffa was playing Us in the League Cup it was a League Cup when we played Villa we lost 3-1 The Villa in the final right so we were playing in that I think the reserve players
And I I don’t know can’t remember just G the manager and he and it’s when they did the announcement where he’s got a full suit on and then like he was still playing yeah that’s crazy but he was honestly he was brilliant that year yeah that year because he was play play
Player manager yeah yeah right and he and what did he do just put a phone call into you and no no I was with him we were this was like organized ah right okay so we were we were at the FA Cup Final re United yeah and we were talking
About it around the table you know who do who would we need and so was like Nigel PE looking at Nigel PE and they were looking at sum yeah from City he went to state City Niki B yeah we ended up with Neil Cox right so but you know
It was he every I thought he did everything I would have expected him to do that year and straight off the bat we won the league right and I thought but what I think what changed him then was when he stopped playing he stopped putting people right cuz when he’s
Playing you’re like he don’t want to be running around when he’s 37 38 he’s gone makes mistak he’s telling them like we did with the kids yeah what he he stopped doing that when he was a man maner you let him off a lot then it’s a
Bit weird is it when you it’s just a change where you think over it was a change over and he was quite close to them all as well cuz you played with them and then all of a sudden now you’re manag you’re playing and you’re managing with
Them then just to be a manager it was different like you said I think you need that need to tell him like we’re not mates anymore if we just go back to refs cuz I talk about what’s this about you he was talking to him in Brazilian or something Brazilian which one Portuguese
Did you learn some Brazilian yeah I don’t know what that means yeah they used to do that all the time them that was obious I just picked it up then I thought well I I’ll start singing it as well that’s all the Brazilians who who who came into middles
At the time janino he was great janino yeah he should if he’ have gone to a big Club you know he’d have been off the charts guy was so good he was so good he was well he we struggled to get the ball to him that was a problem we struggled
At times to get the ball to him from the defense yeah cuz they weren’t great passes at the back they weren’t great [ __ ] you know he should be able to pick somebody out anywhere yeah if he’s even if he’s got like three or four players in front of him you should be
Able to just put it over the top and give it to him and I remember we played Leicester at the Cup Final and we’d played Leicester about a month or two before at Leicester in the league and they had a decent teamate Robbie was playing and all that hesy and I’ve
Played in Midfield with Emerson and janino’s playing renelli and we we won 3-1 there scored I’ve scored fre kick and then like I’m sat on the bench know for the we’re playing Wembley and I’m like sat on the bench be 3-1 at their place so I’ve got
Viv walking around as well so we watching the game he goes oh you’re better there than mustow and I goes well you playing must inste of me played Robie muster inste of me because he’s one of them you know he gets stuck in or whatever but everybody can get stuck in
Yeah that P you that must have piss you off though they never passed the ball to him they man marked him they manm marked him yeah janino and didn’t give him the ball just give him the ball when he’s manm marked guy is that good he get rid
Of him you just got to give him the ball he’s one of them what did what did promotion look like with Brian Robson when you won that what like same as when we won the Premier League really was it rela what would you what was your celebration like did you go
Anywhere no was it not no I have thought like obviously like can’t remember it to be honest Brian Robson was known as like he like he lik really gone back for a few we have had a few drinks somewhere but I can’t can’t remember remember anything how he celebrated that what was
RA ravenell like yeah he the one with the white hair yeah great player gray gray was it gray gray but he was honestly 50 lad yeah so Jan Luka Festa his mate he wasn’t great on the ball but fit he was used to do kickboxing after the game you know the
Following day yeah You’ be in his Gars doing kickboxing but you could do that you know the sixpack he’s going about that far he ripped but he was just there used to be man markers in Italy yeah so you Center for you’re not going to get much joy in Italy that’s problem there
Yeah they’re just all over you just followed you everywhere you went you’re not getting any space did them Lads bring anything for into the club that that changed the rest of the squad like bringing from yeah swapping shirts from it swapping cost a club of Fortune used to take his off all the
Time didn’t no he just put over his head didn’t he no no when he scor he but after the game he always yeah he was always swapping so he’s he was swapping first half and second half is he why you get a yellow card now yeah well he used
To put his his his shirt over his head didn’t he and just go like this we were sponsor by selling it as well so they ended up cell net on his vest cuz he always the Italians use vests they wear vests underneath the shirt you got cell
Net on there so he’s the original one so it was ranella and remember VII for oh VI well those two played together yeah they play we were in for the either one came so good but they were the original ones you used to put you know
White tape around the wrist yeah so then when I played I used to copy them hat a cop you did used to play on you You’ got a tattoo of on actually aren you not a tattoo yeah it’s like an but that was I need to get my tattoo
Yeah oh he lost a bet lost a bet forat yeah for a t so we had we had a Christmas quiz right and the loser had Christmas Santa no we got on name so the initials I had trials once name of the
Podcast so i h t o some so I need to get that I was supposed to do it this week sorry Lads been busy being busy what was um what was it like being best man at Us’s wedding I no rocking was it yeah you don’t want to get anything wrong do
You like how many were there WS I can’t remember remember what it was to be honest he was best man to mine as well oh was that the first one I going to say you’ve done it all three times no no no oh no he wasn’t the
First time was my best mate one of my best mates from back home used to work Wayne Edwards used to work in RAF so he was always away similar have to keep it PC oh what no no they had they brought a bed down out of the room so we got a
Room the bed’s in the middle of the Dance Floor was it and he’s got he’s got the my wife at the time to be had her dress on he he’s like 6’4 as well always he’s got it on I don’t know yeah they’re a bit mad down Wells
Yeah yeah a rug be sort of thing going on have you ever been best man been twice yeah have you have you married no oh lucky how have people chose you twice to be I don’t know I think I’ve lucky man I’ve got another one coming up as
Well don’t get married no no I’m I will be at some point but not yet he’s punching he listening he’s punching is he that doesn’t mean anything WR we met his uh she good looking girl she’s a good looking girl yeah we met up on New
Year’s Eve didn’t we and she had had him under like you you need to do this this year so she wants an engagement don’t she this year that was one of your things got me on to but on to yes exactly exactly but I I telling you
Before I was best man at a wedding once and um it’s my cousin his wife has a twin brother which is Paul Wellen but their mom and dad are like in the 70s so my cousin said whatever you do on the best man speech no swearing no like dirty jokes no I was
Like did all that what what like what in and when they say don’t say yeah and he was like no guys you can’t do so I remember standing up and i’ had to like rewrite all me all me thing and her mom’s here and all my family are this
Side of the room all from padium in Burnley like sh rough as anything all their family this side and I I thought right I can’t swear I can’t let so so I’ve said um bleep so I said right okay I like me and Kirk have been best
Friends ever since we’re like growing up um I said when was 18 I said we we went out and we celebrated in ler and I had a p to ler and I went cheers everyone went cheers so I went when we’re 21 we celebrated our 21st in Champagne I
Said I I said and uh tonight it must be doing some for his wedding cuz he said he’s going to celebrate Insider the whole the whole this side room just went quiet was like and my cousin just went that I was like come on there were
No swear when it went I like it brilliant it’s one of my so clever it was very it was good it was good was a rare that’s are they speaking to you no not yet it spoiled the wedding for me CU I was just nervous before I did it do
You you know what I mean and then because I was so nervous I was swearing and then after it I’m getting bollocks off his n she’s like you better get out of here cuz that was disgusting I can’t remember what I said now I would just
Sinking cuz like you’re on the top table aren you I would just sinking red wine and I was just like thinking about no but but like I must have had about 10 because I was so nervous Jesus cuz I was so nervous I couldn’t really feel it and
I did my speech did well get it all out right as soon as I done my speech I was like whoa know when you relaxing you done it yeah so but yeah like like you’ve been friends for a long time you still speak to him now yeah yeah we we
Played over Lim the other week so I rung him the other week go he plays off 13 Mark but I’ve had him at bro Park where I play and um to get him off nine because he’s better than he’s been obviously took the Bradford job and all
That so he didn’t play as much and he don’t hardly playing but when he’s playing he’s on it he can get you know he can shoot seven or eight over right he hits the ball as far as me if not further sometimes and he’s got a good sh
Game good pter so he’s got a good game really yeah was um was you at Middlesboro with gas meren I’ve heard of them that must have been some dressing room that well mean when Gaz is around it’s always it’s always fun and that’s I think that’s the best thing about Gaz I
Mean people need to realize he’s just he’s just trying to entertain everybody yeah and it’s like I think he thought J yeah massive massively my job he thinks it’s his job to keep everybody laughing honestly he’s he’s such a nice lad and I obviously the Press are on his case all
The time yeah and he he I actually thought when he was playing I thought he enjoyed all that and he actually doesn’t no so you can you’re always reading people you think oh he’s he’s asking for that problem though you know he’s doing this he’s doing that he’s I mean he was
On some remember us going up and playing and I remember Rob was saying we’ll see how [ __ ] good he is today now it was Rob of noral white side Remy Moses in Midfield and they couldn’t get near him they were like really yeah yeah he was
Scary was he was really good he was only young then as well remember when he was first playing yeah he had a great T be as well but no he’s like you say he just wants people to love him you’re not GNA get everybody to love you no what was
What was some of his he’s antic viewed the bus one when we had a new bus so we had a new bus and I just remember Robert coming where’s Gaza we like that wasn’t good somebody says oh I just saw him he was out near the bus so
He’s taking the bus yeah the team bus brand new team bus and where rockliff Hall it was a dead Narrow Lane it’s different that they’ve opened it up they’ve got the golf course and all that yeah and as you get down to the bottom there’s a big boulder there it’s about
That big just on the left so he’s think he’s driving it like it’s a car so she just get the front bit out there and turn so as he’s turning like the back ends coming right through the trashes it and he’s like I think 100 gr’s worth of
Damage or something no way he’s took the back end he just he drove down the road he just kept going went down the road and it was some ladies waiting on the bus stop stops and gets him on the bus no he has honestly guy is just mad I
Loved him mate he’s such a nice guy I tell you what got to be England’s best you know like on the ball dribbling player in Midfield he was like scary you don’t you like what you touched on before you don’t get them kind of plays anymore because everything’s pass pass
Pass pass pass Ryan everybody was saying oh he’s reinvented himself Ryan he goes he’s not reinvented himself because he was playing in the middle of Midfield yeah he’s doing the same thing but he’s doing it in the middle of Midfield he’s beat once he beats somebody if you’re a
Midfield and you can get past your midfielder you’re now running at the defense yeah in them days they had two up front so the two Center for center halfes and mark they’re marking so you’re like free yeah you’re running in on goal now yeah or you and that’s the
Difference when you put somebody like them in Midfield and you can get past people that’s what made the middle Midfield is a bit special you know when you get past your your opposite man because well every time I played in Midfield he was I’m looking at you and
You know I’m playing against you all match me and you are going to have a we’re up and down scrapping all game and obviously there’s other people around as well but yeah it’s what you got in your tank I just I used to love him I’s just
He’s passion but like just his character yeah it was class he was funny on him yeah thought it was class any um and any good memories from playing for Wales yeah the best time was it believe it or not it was like our best as a player I’ve enjoyed that more than
Actually playing for United it was mad yeah who was s like huy would have been in there it was U and rushy up front oh so you got Kevin Ratcliffe at the back it was F I just saw a picture of yesterday the Everton team so when Liverpool got us
Banned out of Europe yeah they were flying when they they had a we and whide scored that goal at Wembley 1 nil to stop him winning the treble what was that for the treble that year that was to win the treble but they beat they’ played in Europe on the
Wednesday and got leathered they like everybody was getting leathered so they got leathered so they were knackered from the game travel back and then play us on the Saturday right at Wembley and then we lost Kevin Moran and we ended up stopping them on that but they were they were destined I
Think to the next five years could have been dominating European football so we were out like you you hear a lot about Ian rush I never really never really saw him great finisher was that good yeah he was brilliant he was like he was like a
Gound as well what he was good at more than anything anything I think obviously was brilliant finish his first touch was good then the next one’s in the side netting he didn’t realize that he’s actually aiming for the side netting until he you know when you’re training
With him yeah yeah he’s actually that good but his closing down was like the best I’ve seen right yeah he used to close down he’d run he’d run over to a fullback the fullback be just like as soon as he looked down he’d Sprint over
And try and get his foot around the ball and try and keep the ball in to go for goal and it was that thinging with it and it was like they were it was no coincidence they were winning the league I think he had more with his closing
Down why they were winning the league the next time they were close to winning at Liverpool was Suarez yeah he’s doing the same thing he running around similar he’s bombing I mean anfield has dead smaller pits it’s a pain in your ass up placee it’s that small you can’t swing a
Cat on it really then could could could you feel the difference then between because he can’t he didn’t know you know it quite a big was it yeah Everton is another one I used to hate well they were really good as well at the time yeah and then was so
Aggressive I mean you get the ball in Midfield there you’ve got like two or three of them closing in on Barry on me Barry was with Wales with us I remember him doing Matas he didn’t come out second half Lo Matas L yeah he didn’t bother he walked off the pitch you won’t
Remember him were you matus I don’t remember after he West German yeah yeah Captain they they in 19 9 they took him off thinking they’ve won the game treble and they we scored the two goals I me Beckham and the corners the B Munich game did he
Come off yeah they took him off he sat on the thing and he like [ __ ] I didn’t know that yeah bad move don’t take your best players off yeah people did we’ve done it a few times last year you take your best players off and then all of a
Sudden you give the opposition go here we go yeah g us a chance to get at here took Maguire off I said the best player so how did you find it then obviously like you’ve come you’ve been at man united Middlesboro with obviously gazer and then you started to move down
The leagues a little bit and then how was that a change when you’ve dropped into into non- League because you ended up going to I went to Barnsley don’t know from I walked out of Middlesboro I walked out the Premier League because to be fair it was it was Robo as
Well to be fair it was he mentioned there’s a lad play a Young Lad coming up who was seeing his daughter and he’s oh he’s in front of you now and I went right I’m I’m off right when he said that I was like I’m
Time to go so I’ve left midd BR then I went down there we played we only we lost two games when I was there in the last four or five months of the season I think one was at Palace away lost one nil and then we lost to spurs in that
Game Ola scored that you know he’s dribbl through yeah that was the first one he went I sprinted over and launched myself trying to take him out cuz I know how good he was I’ve watched him playing for Newcastle against middlesbor and I was like Wow guy’s a player man he’s top
Top player and uh I thought I need to get somethingone on him you know just try and get him you taking a red card off him yeah just stop him yeah it just then it was he just went right through everybody but no it it was and what it
Was I was just about to sign again John had just signed a two-year contract for for the next two seasons and his number two was stabbing him in the back and this was a thing I found out from when I was when I left United and went to
Middleb there was a lad there giving me daggers right after after the first couple of months he’s dragged me into his office and says look I know you don’t like me and I don’t like you oh and I was like whoa where is it that Middlesboro oh really I never said it it
Like it H I was like what no mess him around with the cones you know he’s sticking cones out and I well Nigel p and and coxy they do the same thing but you’re all right with him I didn’t know it was because I was playing I Craig
Ignant you know Craig I played in his position but he was out of the team a bit right and they love that he’s he’s been there for years this guy so Vivan Rob come in and this guy’s still there John Pickering right I think he’s died probably going to say John Whitney then
No but he was he was following me around everywhere we playing playing in reserves and all that and like Rob will come and watch me in one of the g go the best I’ve seen you play but you’re not it’s too late now and then I like two years in I was I
Played around Christmas time five games in the first he go rob say best he play for us and all that left out yeah but he would he’d been dogging me all time saying I wasn’t fit and because when they brought the fitness coaches and I pulled him I went
Robt was just told me I’m not fit and he went John and I went [ __ ] hell I was four four years later after the the talk we had four years later he was still [ __ ] it’s not fit we won the league with 16 points Reserve league so he’s the
Reserve manager so the manager he was he was like so you’ve got Rob on Viv and then he coached because Viv didn’t want to do on coaching yeah he he took the first team training and all that so he how was he doing he’d be like sh can’t
Run yeah no scary yeah watch me Ro right we beat roale at six s like pinging balls over the top do is it Reserve team games yeah we got Andy Campbell so we played a re we there’s a good one we played a game at the Riverside first team against
Reserves they play in Everton in midweek Andy camell’s just come back from Stoke so we’ve got him and the lad what’s the lad who’s at Stockport he did he snapped as a kill he was he was just coming back but he he was in a bad way really and we just
The first team Midfield was Gaza Andy towns end Robbie mustow P was at the back they had five of the back this is the reserves no that’s the first team sorry we we played 442 right okay so I played so when I play 442 as a right
Midfielder I’ll come in and yeah because I’ve got that defensive thing going on as well we’ve grown up with it and we beat him 5- nil I think we had the proper referee was his name well I call him prop proper referee no the local one no he stopped
No but they stopped the game after about 35 minutes he stopped the G McQueen came down and kicked off for the first te we were losing 3-0 to us right he’s a [ __ ] disgrace and all that it’s embarrassing and then it’s 5 I think it’s 5 nil halftime so then they changed
It all around and second half was n n yeah it is beat 5 no and then they played everon away lost 5 nil the team that are in the bibs in training you know like they’re the opposition yeah they try so much hard don’t they but it wasn’t it wasn’t
Just that it was like because of Vy Campbell’s quick and then I’m I put about three over the top for him clean through didn’t play him in the didn’t play him at Everton so what was it like then obviously like you’ve left there like
You kind of you knew it was your time to go if you for I just yeah but that wasn’t it was no was it didn’t force me out again I’ve had the two to be fair like Sir Alex didn’t force me out and neither did Robble I it was my decision
To leave another bad decision but but you knew you knew it was time to go though I no I didn’t I just thought because of that which was a bit stupid because I can play in any position yeah so in the reserves feel like he should have stayed then is that
A decision yeah maybe maybe yeah I remember I went to Bristol City just to get fit Joe Jordan was down there yeah it’s the only Club have never lost a game for Russell City you not no we only played Four to be fair four five but so
What was it like them moving like I say been all them big clubs and played with them big players what was it like moving into same size P same siiz pitch that’s the way I saw it is that how you saw it never really bothered me
Anything was it B Banger you went to yeah I went I played for Banger or who was it is manager as well yeah you’re not manager yeah yeah that wasn’t a choice that one I want you’re only as good as your players and I was like I
Don’t want to be manager of that team I want I want I want stuck a girl to Wales to Banger never it never happened so how was it then like how did you find it no I was well I wasn’t I just start stopped
Playing and that and then I did a bit of coaching with the school boy team you know the well school boys yeah so they do the victory shield and all that I which i’ done myself right we’d gone through that me and M and it was funny because we played
Scotland and we hadn’t beaten them since we’ beaten them right they hadn’t won for like 20 years up in Scotland we went to Scotland beat them one nil but I think Brian gun was in goal and well his son was in goal yeah there’s a lot of
Weird things are similar but so is that something that you wanted to get into the coaching managing side or not or is it just kind of no it just sort of just happened sort happened that and uh you know we started doing the badges and all that which that’s a
Joke you know the old badge thing I don’t get it so you can play I can play for 25 years or whatever and I’ve got all the experience of playing and what the game’s about yeah and then somebody can have a badge has never played the
Game and there’s more more uh more jobs opportunities yeah but he’s got you know it’s like he knows more than you do and he doesn’t yeah it’s ridiculous I mean I it was it was a good one Dave Seaman it was a job at [ __ ] for the goalkeeping
Coach and I could have took the job but he couldn’t cuz he didn’t have a badge and I’m like seriously yeah what you needs this badge for what’s the badge G to do I don’t I honestly don’t get it they just so is that why you didn’t do it for long well
I did quite I and I did for seven or eight years coaching all right well like I say I was my coaching was on the field yeah yeah it was like CU even when you’re doing your badges it it’s a big thing doing the demo demonstration yeah
I think it’s that’s probably been bended now cuz people can’t demo if you if you’ve never played well that’s the thing like you do your coaching Badges and you’ve got people who have never really played to any level they great doing the the stats and the plans and
Stuff like that but then you go right okay but that’s like on the team my kids doing that on the thing behind the fullback and then he well it was funny do that I can’t kick a ball even with players people whove played the game it
Was U he’s go for leads and give it that one oh off to the leads fan he’s gone a week later yeah Mark hawood all right so Mark’s and I’m like he’s so we’re all there now we’re down in abis with middle of nowhere and he’s like he’s got three
Center backs so they’re defending a free kick which is just over the halfway line so we’ve got Ray Wilkins Andy towns and we’re all stood around I’m not going so he’s got one out there on the edge of the to one in the middle and one there
And you’ve got like a center for there a center for there and I’m like there one passing behind the middle one and he’s he’s just putting his foot on his ball and it’s a goal he should be in yeah the one out on those Far Side he
Doing nothing yeah he should be right in and we were we were trying to explain it to Mark he’s a center off as well you like yeah he’s working on his what got it’s just one ball over the top he’s in he does me laugh he’s giving out Pro
Licenses and all that yeah we had um we did our level one when we was about 18 you know what level one’s like like it’s literally head and cat but we we’d come from uni so we was all we dressed in our uni kits are like black socks pulled up black shorts but
We weren’t very good but the lad was saying oh you decent at footy like who’ you play for blah blah blah so this old guy who’s coming to coach his girls teams obviously seen it next day comeing in shorts and obviously thought I need some long socks like these LS so he come
In in Boots and ski socks pulled up just was the thought I need to look sort of like to join in oh mate I was creasing he just looked like a bag of [ __ ] but the the whole course is bag of [ __ ] really it yeah how have you how how
Did you transition then into like the media side when you’re at United it’s that we did a lot with MV especially early on me and Arthur alberon were like you’d get people in to do it but then they were like oh couldn’t make it so I
Mean I think it was on three or four times a week yeah he was on a lot keep cuz I was only cuz I only live local they’d give me a quick call oh can you come on fill in so and we started doing the pro Zone thing that was interesting
But yeah again it’s another one of them you know it’s just about how far what it does tell is how far people have been running and I haven’t been running which is a good one I’d like to have a look at a few of that now I keep forgetting to
Put mine on but when you play yeah it’s a good idea yeah on purpose you’re off to uh Hong Kong soon yeah yeah on Wednesday I think we’re going what’s that far yeah it’s there’s a game over there it’s a bit of Charity and sk’s got a team and I think Michael
Owens’s got well it’s that’s more Liverpool team we’ve got a bit of a mixture I think we’ve got about seven or eight United players think Matt latis has gone over and a few others and do you do you play in a lot of them um we since lockdown they all chains they all
Went bit PE shaped right so we’ve not done that many but we’ve got we got two or three coming up now who were the the Far East jez who were the best ones that have that have kept the kept the quality as they got older players yeah well
United Lads are usually the wide Lads we’ve got we’ve always had Wingers haven’t we so yeah we usually do quite well against Liverpool because of we’ve got Wingers they’ve you look at them they’ve got the same team as they had like 20 years ago They’re all playing
They’re all in the right positions we’re all we’ve got just got Wingers everywhere people Sharpie um what is it Carol borski we had Carol we played inski remember him Carol was really good good player Carol but if it was I never played with him when he was playing at United but so
He’s what’s his name it was a lad at Liverpool done him it was so awful Challenge and he’s out there with his wife and kids and it all kicked off so the ball’s gone to what United lipol off well one of the guys in the crowd went
To the the guys who were organizing he goes did you did you organize that you know the rumble yeah yeah R everybody was just in the middle when he was you thought what you thought don’t like each this I mean was in MAA MAA we had a bit of a thing in the
Far EAS andn that was a Sixers side though that was Indo you know one of them when the ball goes up and you know he’s coming yeah so I’m I’ve gone ah and I broke two of his ribs we didn’t know at the time it was
It was an accident I was just trying to look after myself and RI broke to his ribs he’s come down the ball’s gone in there he’s booted me he’s gone right through the back of me because of the elbow and then I’ve just turned around and voled him the ball got just
Voli but it’s it’s great to have that passion still though is it yeah know it’s it is what it is so got to be done looking looking back over your career have you got any any regrets anything you do again yeah [ __ ] I got sent off for wheels and I stinker we
Played Lux and B away they’ve got one professional player in the team right center forward playing in Italy and my first challenge I slid in to be fair I thought it was a yellow card the referee said it wasn’t so I went to Geneva and
All that to because I got a four match ban right for Wales and I was out then for like it was nearly two years out wow because there wasn’t as many games four teams in a group W it yeah just because the games are spaced out so much yeah so
I’m missing friendlies I missed the Brazil game card if I was well I didn’t miss it went down in a limo yeah yeah we got in a paper for that one so we going down big shmikes me Peter and Mickey F went down Sparky’s going to come back
With us so we’ve ended up taking the limo we got in the paper the following day PR with Prince Charles more money than sents only few 200 quit yeah in it yeah we just drove home and the guy drives us home yeah getting two so that’s one of your regrets cuz
Obviously International it did they still nothing man yeah we won one luckily but I mean the guy to be fair it was so stupid as well because the guy says I’ll come to you know if you want to appeal it I’ll come cuz you never hit
Me no he’s got me down as punching him like so our our secret is gone we’ll see what they give us he sent me off for punching him he’s going to throw the book at us ah yeah so he wait we waited for them to give us a decision we should
Have put the thing in straight away and so we went to Geneva and we had all this evidence Tom John mson was on I think said no the center forward running across the field to me the referee thought I fed a guy he’s got up and I punched him that’s how far
Out he is I’ve gone back here I’ve run back here and the guy run across the field he thinks I’ve F I’ve punched a l who’s I fed I was when he says I didn’t you know it wasn’t a foul yeah it wasn’t a yellow card I thought I’m getting off this no
Problem and you’re there and the German guy was in there we had the headphones on and he goes you expect them to look at all this now and make a decision and you’re like gives a [ __ ] just have it for a week or two if you want then make
A decision yeah doesn’t matter just get to the right decision you still got fall and the guy’s G like that he takes your office hands it to this lisser who’s about fuing 78 and he goes and I’m like what the [ __ ] that mean does he want to see it don’t even
Want to look at it what you mean don’t you you don’t want to know what they’re so they go away come they come back and he says you’re lucky you didn’t get fined and I’m like what honest to God I’m like [ __ ] that’s when I knew you were for and all
That yeah that’s where suitcases are getting handed about yeah where the World Cups are going and all that that’ll be still going on now but well I’m guessing I’m guessing all this is in in your book right so the book’s called red white and Blackmore oh
Yeah so if you’ve uh if you’ve enjoyed these stories some ser just remember pictures in there there is some pictures my Speedos I got my Speedos on but M it’s been an absolute pleasure listening to them stories and like just some of the names that you’ve no no
Played with and like played against is I’ve been very lucky look there’s so many good players like I say even growing up but even if I had got the professional standard that just growing up with all M Gordon McQueen in the reserves was but you was an amazing place
Though anybody who plays at that level especially for Man United he some player i’ like to say me me remembering back when I started first supporting man united like I say like you was on the wall in my bedroom and may I thought he was a top
Player you didn’t he didn’t do a beex as I didn’t do a beex no no you can Google that I think you might to Google that story uh no I didn’t do a beex h I think I might have had Cindy Crawford on the other one but M it’s been absolute pleasure
Thanks very much for coming in Clon black thank you man
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great video enjoyed that
Top guy his son plays in same league as my son on a Sunday morning and always has time for a chat
Think he has a thing for ronaldo
im not having these intro's they're cringe. guest is sat there like a lemon for the first 3-4 minutes before you even introduce them.
It was a great goal and you know it you are a class player
Top professional and top guy 👏🏻👏🏻 💪🏻⚽️🏴
Sunbed what a guy
Clayton Blackmore = Legend