Cale Leiviska Explains Controversial Call With Ken Climo

We sit down with Cale Leiviska for the first time to talk about how the tour has changed, how much that cash streak meant to him, and all the news and updates on his course the Preserve!
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On tour life for the very first time kale Lisa how’s it going brother yo what’s up guys thank you so much for having me what’s up Brody what’s up what’s up man we’re doing we’re doing good we’re happy to have you on here um all right I I I have I I have

A I got a lot to talk about so I want to jump into it first I don’t know if I’ve ever congratulated you on the kiddo how how’s it being a dad how’s I I see your Instagram if you guys want to go and see like what a perfect family go looks like

Go to Kale’s Instagram he’s got tons of like perfect family photos uh go check it out but uh yeah how how’s how’s it being over there having a little kiddo running around it’s so wild man it’s uh it’s unbelievable we just uh we’ve been on the road for about two months we were

Down Charleston and we just got home like three nights ago and we’re finally at home and it’s just unbelievable and it’s funny because I always like you know seen my friends and family post pictures of their babies all the time and I was like does that and then here I

Am doing doing it all the time of course yeah yeah I was going to say you you got like some you got I was scrolling through your Instagram you got like the the cool like Thanksgiving like pumpkin patch photos and then you’ve got like the cool disc golf photos and now we’re

In Christmas season uh you’re doing it right man that’s really really exciting over there um all right the first thing I want to talk about here first thing I want and S how’s the audio going there was a little kind of weirdness okay s’s working on it okay um

First question and you kind of kind of brought this up so I’m very interested in what you said how does it feel to be on the alltime money list record with these names I’m going to list off some of these names that you you you company here Paul McBeth Ricky Waki Barry

Schultz Dave felberg Ken Kimo Nicola Castro Calvin heberg Paul uberry yourself and Matt omam that’s the top 10 alltime PDGA earnings list that is quite a list holy smokes that’s quite the liist Yulie and that’s a lot of years it’s a lot of tournaments man I know when I

When I see all those names besides Calvin that’s a lot of people that have been doing it for for a long time some of the great so that’s that’s quite the honor and it just it speaks to how long Julie and I have been doing it how long

We’ve been grinding how long we’ve been enjoying this game that’s why that’s that’s a lot of tournaments that’s over 400 tournaments for me so that’s that’s pretty wild how long do you think it’s going to be before we’re we’re like in 40th 40th Place on there I feel like

That’s a few years away honestly like with with how much money these people are making every single year you know it took me 10 10 15 years to accumulate over a 100 Grand Pro probably and they’re doing it in Seasons you know what I mean so yeah the I mean the highest cash

Owners each season now is well over 100 Grand and you figure what’s it going to be like in 5 years I mean people are probably going to be hitting half a million for a season potentially I mean you never know what’s going to happen so you know obviously

You and I we want to continue to do this for a long time and hopefully we we’re getting some of these big checks as well but yeah it’s G to be it’s G to be tough to stay in that top 10 for for for too much longer with with how how well these

Kids are playing and how much how much money’s in the purses they better start making an inflation one that’s what I’m saying yeah that’s true yeah cuz some of the tournaments some of the tournaments you guys played like if you didn’t get first second or third like you didn’t make

Anything no yeah nothing where some of these tournaments moving forward like 20th place you might be making like four digits yeah for sure like so guess how much money I I made for the only national tour so Elite series that I ever won guess how much money that

Was what year was it prob 2011 oh yeah5 00 yeah I was going to say like maybe 3,000 $1600 yeah I mean that’s like that’s like a normal a tier now right yeah you could be a b tier I mean I’ve won C tiers for that much for sure it’s crazy

It’s crazy crazy but yeah that’s a sick that’s a sick list to be on um for sure all right A lot of people a lot of people want to know what what is your current involvement right now with Prodigy are you what go ahead yeah sorry yeah no with Prodigy

So you know it was 2013 when we started up the company um I was one of the original investors in the company one of the original Founders so with that initial contract that we signed we were given a certain amount of shares just for being a part of that and then that

First year um we were I was in the opportunity to buy in for additional shares which um I did take them up on that so um I’m technically you know I own you know 2% of the shares I guess you could say um but yeah I’ve been you

Know I’ve been with them with the start uh since the start and uh so yeah I’ve seen you know the the whole the whole cycle of the company this far and uh yeah we’ve been through a lot together so are you like just player or do you

Have other things that you do for for the company um how does that work yeah I guess you could call it like a consultant um um I was on the board of directors for a couple years there um but yeah I guess you know I’m consulted with um you know disc production mold

Production stuff with the team um I try to give input you know whenever they ask me but um yeah just I you know I can sell with them on on whatever they need so something I you know have kind of seen as like people saying what

Prodigy is is like you get guys signed with Prodigy they get really freaking good and then they go somewhere else right that’s kind of been a trend for like a couple years you currently have two of the youngest best players in disc golf right now right you’ve got Isaac Robinson Ganon

Burr is there more of an emphasis now on like Hey we’re going to try to keep these because I I can see the the appeal of like Hey we’re going to get guys cheap because they’re not they haven’t made their yet and we’re going to help

Build their name and then once they get kind of too expensive Deuces we’re out right and you kind of could go that strategy is that the strategy that Pro you think continues or do you think they’re going to say you know what no we want to ride with Isaac let’s sign him

For 10 years like we’ve seen people do with Ricky we’ve seen uh Discraft do with Paul I know Calvin signed a long uh restructured deal with Inova what what are your thoughts on like the the way that Pro is moving forward with their players yeah you know traditionally

That’s kind of how it has been for sure but that’s definitely not by Design you know all these great players that we’ve had over the years you know in a perfect world we’d be keeping them and we’ you know develop longer relationships with a lot of these guys but the reality is

It’s like you know we’re we’re such a relatively young company I know a lot of people think of us for been along for for for so long but you know compared to companies like Innova and Discraft who’ve been in the game for 30 40 years and you know have much larger budgets

Than we do you know it’s we’re we’re kind of a small a small company compared to that so you know the the fact that we’ve you know our team has performed as well as we have you know I think it says a lot um about what we’ve done so far

But yeah it’s tough to tough to keep some of these these players that are demanding so much money and rightfully so when you know we have a little bit smaller budget to work with yeah no it makes sense I mean Inova kind of showed what they like when they

Kind of let a lot of people go a few years ago everyone thought they were crazy right and they just were like yo Calvin’s our guy we’re going to put all of our resources and funds into the Calvin we’re going to still have other players signed but we’re not going to

Try to amass this team of where we’re spinning all this and a lot of people thought that was a dumb idea I think it’s working so I think there are different ways to make it happen and I think if you find someone that is your

Guy and you want to ride with that guy um it makes a lot of sense it do make a lot of sense so we’ll be interesting to see to go with what you said just to say to go with what you said obviously you know we like players like Isaac and

Ganon who are just you know some of the youngest brightest players in the game um we love you know to keep those guys forever but unfortunately the reality is is is you know I don’t know for sure if that’s going to be able to happen I hope

We can um but yeah there’s those guys have have done so much for us and meant so much for prodigies it’d be great to keep them but you know we’ll see what the future holds yeah and I’m sure uh Ganon will will’ll get some information

With him at some point in the next few weeks upcoming um let’s talk about your cash streak a little bit let’s talk about this cash streak that you had 14 years 4,850 days 370 tournaments it started back in November 16th 2008 it went all the way to February 26 2022

Where you lost it by one shot on the last few holes at LBC do you remember those last few holes do you remember those last few holes oh my gosh are you kidding me I still think about those last few holes and Brody a lot of

Respect I I respect what you do you’re always doing your research I appreciate that um I remember those last three holes like it was yesterday honestly um and it to the last hole specifically it was at Vegas and I was in The Cash Line I remember the this I I looked at the

Scores I was like oh I’m in the cash one stroke in all I got to do is part of this hole and I can’t remember the name of the course but it’s the one that finishes right there by where you turning all the carts in you know where

You had to cross yeah yeah they turned into that par three though exactly but this was back when it was the par 4 and it was the basket across the road yeah so um I remember I’m like God just get this in bounds lay up take your par and you’re in the cash

And I hung my disc out a little bit wide clipped the pine tree that was up there inbounds slow rolled about 80 ft backwards out of bounds onto the path and I’m just like well that’s it and I was like well maybe there’s a chance I

Could get my driver up to the basket I remember I threw this full Flex driver shot and it was one of the best shots I threw all tournament put it to about 20 feet get up there and Dink the putt to miss the cat one stroke so but honestly

It was Brody it was such a blessing because I’m sitting there on that last last hole in like 40th Place thinking about taking a par on the hole like that’s not that’s not the kind of golf I want to be playing at all so like missing the cash you know after all that

All that time all those years 300 plus tournaments it almost like kind of freed me up to to play a more fun style of golf and it was honestly kind of a relief to be honest with you was there ever any other tournaments like that to where you’re coming down the stretch and

You’re like Ride On The Cash Line and you kind of knew it and you obviously ly got the job done there but were there any close calls that you can recall doesn’t want to talk about it no no that was a bad question all right

He’s back okay I think we lost you there for a second hear guys yeah we lost you for a second but you’re back now okay yeah so I was saying 2021 there was a couple those Pro Tour events where I started the the final round kind of

Right on the bubble and again it was it it was on my mind mind the whole time and it made for a more stressful round than it had to be but yeah I I remember uh a couple I mean there was probably 2030 events over that 300 event stretch

Where it was close but um yeah there was nothing like that Vegas though I I’ll I remember I was so hurt in the moment when the when the streak was over but then you know a week or two went by and I I honestly felt freed up by a little

Bit I like asking this question because I think last cash pressure is like the most hilarious thing ever um there’s nothing like it right uh do you think like a four-day tournament yeah do you think that that is it tougher as far as the pressure goes to

Win a tournament or is it tougher to just when you know you’re on the bubble and you’re coming down the stretch they’re similar but I always explain it like this like last cash pressure is you’re kind of you’re playing terrible yeah you’re not playing well and so

You’re coming down the stretch and then you’re playing playing against guys down there you don’t know where your drives are going yeah you have you’re not in control your game shaky 100% but then you’re playing against guys who actually are playing really good because like they’re trying to maybe cash for the

First time ever there’s always those guys and so they’re fist pumping in your face making these putts and you’re sitting there like what are you like what are you doing man this is the worst I’ve ever played but you still you know the competitiveness is still there to

Where you’re really trying to grind it out and find something in the last few holes which is harder last cash pressure or winning a tournament to you to me I’d say winning the tournament but when the streak was like coming into like you know 14 years it was the last

Cash pressure back then for sure yeah but I know what you’re saying it’s so funny because like cashing on the pro tour you guys know it’s it’s an accomplishment these days you get you get top 30 at a Pro Tour event and you’re playing probably 1040 Golf and

Like you said some of these kids this might be the first time that that’s happened for them so you know you try to respect the moment respect the sport and even if even if I’m not having my best weekend still try to gut it out and and and make something of it for

Sure all right you’ve been touring you know we just kind of talked about like your cash streak and I’m sure you were playing disc golf well before your cash streak began we’ve got some photos that you sent into US of uh not just you and Julie but also our next guest coming on

Nico as well see if we can throw those photos up from way back in the day what is this is that uh is that top of the what is that ala guys isn’t that awesome you remember where that is isn’t it alist Germany it yeah I think it was called

Offra Swang off swing okay that was close and honestly that that was an unbeliev I remember we uh we were on like an eight-week trip youie remember that that was one of the best best disc golf experiences in my life but this this particular place right there

Was in the mountains of Bavaria Germany it was just a beautiful place and in the background you can almost kind of see it like there was uh just World War II remnants all over the place and they actually tried to like carve like some of Hitler’s writing into the mountain

Back there but the war ended halfway through so they stopped doing it so you can kind of see it behind us that was that was a wild place it was that was quite the trip crazy so what what are some of the things that like have changed touring you know the last couple

Years versus when you first start touring where what are some of the bigger changes and UL you you guys can both pop in on this I mean jie like you know when we when we started doing this it was things were just so different we were we were

Just hitting the country hitting as many tournaments as we could just because we loved competing so much you know the the difference oh yeah there’s another trip from Amsterdam right there but the difference now is is there’s just so much more on the line I guess you know

We were kind of doing it more for the love of the game we were all young bunch of kids just the country trying to trying to compete as much as we could and just remember there was there was definitely a Brotherhood among us we we Julie and I traveled together for at

Least a few years straight back and forth across the country and um I just remember you know you and I didn’t even we we tried to find C tiers B tiers a tiers whatever had a decent Siz field him and I were going to try to hit and you know now it seems

Like um among you know the the best players in the world everyone’s playing the pro tour events but we didn’t have you know multiple Pro Tour events every single month that we could hit there might only be one National Tour event every couple months or something so you

Know we we loved it so much and we were just hitting up at every tournament that we could yeah I mean back back then to there was it it’s a lot it’s hard to explain the culture was different as far as like what was a great player back in

The day like if you look at somebody’s win total that was like a big thing like you would have like a Moser who had like a 100 wins and a r who had like a 100 wins and that was like a big focal point in my career as I wanted to get there

And nowadays like playing C tiers B tiers or whatever is almost looked down upon a little bit in in at the very top of the sport right cuz they’re like okay there’s Julie playing another C tier but when I came up like that was how you

Made your name is how many wins do you have you’re a prolific winner on the you know on the tour and that was a major goal of mine from the very beginning is of course I wanted to win a world championship that’s number one always for every that’s always been the case in

Disc golf which is great that we’ve been able to hold like that that one thing but then I wanted to win all those tournaments right I wanted to be known as a winner and then the last one was like eventually I want to make the Hall

Of Fame like those were my three goals my whole career and those were key focal points of doing those things back in the day now you look at it and like I said people look at me playing like little SE tiers and stuff and they don’t understand that no that’s like ingrained

Into like who I am as a player and what was built back then like that was a big deal you know like I don’t I don’t have any of that like when I came in when I came in I my first tournament other than like the league that I had to play to

Get a rating to be able to play at Waco which kale I think we played together that round yeah first party yeah no idea what I was doing out there but um that was my first tournament so I jumped into the I didn’t jump into the like you guys

Were saying grinding at c and b and a tier and I even will sometimes have people be like you haven’t even won an a tier yet and I want to be like I I don’t even know if I’ve played that many a I think I’ve only played a couple a tiers

Like it’s not like I’m and and to me like I don’t have any care and I think what you were saying y like people that have just come into the sport when the pro tour has kind of gotten to the level that it is now I don’t think they care

Either where in the past if you went out and played an a a big a tier and like won like that was news like people were talking about that where now like I yeah I see people post on their social media still that they won a tournament or

Whatever but when I’m deciding what to talk about on the T on tour life here like I’m not really talking about that I’m not really talking about Haley King just won some Tournament down somewhere right now obviously there are some tournaments that will have like a bunch

Of big names show up and that could be like a little preview of like what’s to come or like when Simon changes um when Simon goes to MVP and he might play uh an a tier before the season it’s like O Let’s see what how he does with his new

Plastic but I I I’m kind of in that realm of like I just kind of follow the protour and that’s really all I care about so I get that side there was levels to it back then Brody there was okay you win a tournament period great you’re that was like your graduation

You’re a professional now and then B tier can you win a b tier and then the big one was an a tier like we really gauged how good you were by if you ever wanted a tier or not like if you didn’t there was no you know we there’s no

Respect going down that way as far as what level you are and national tour and a tiers back in the day kind of went hand inand of course there’s a little level up as far as national tour I remember like that was like a big deal

When I won I’m like okay I finally won a national tour but even winning a tiers back then was super difficult you know what I mean cuz you had Regional players that held that down and so like the traveling Disco you can ask kale if you travel to somewhere imagine playing like

A Moser up in Delaware at a a tier back in the day you probably weren’t going to win but Kay yeah tell us your experiences cuz I mean that’s that’s one of the things that I I really recall as being like something that what’s something that you really miss that like

Used to happen on tour and now that the tour is a little more professional you know younger players are coming in like what’s something that isn’t happening anymore that you kind of Miss from the old days miss taking top four every weekend honestly broy we’re laughing but

That that’s probably the one thing I missed too is I man when I think about like 2008 2009 I could I hate to say it but I could kind of like play my C+ B minus game maybe still get top five in an at or something and now it’s like if

I do that I’m missing cash on the pro tour for sure but you know the way that the game is advancing it’s a beautiful thing I you know I don’t want to see anything revert back to the way it was but I think I I think you know how ulie

Said it’s ingrained in him to play these smaller events like I just I just love competing if if I can’t make it out on the pro tour for whatever reason from the family or for businesses or whatever um I’ll look I’ll look up C tiers and B

Tiers around me and I think I just enjoy playing tournaments and I think you know if more of these young players did that and learned you know played well and learned how to win I think it could I think it could help people for sure if

They uh you know CU coming down the stretch there’s not a lot of pressure like having to to hit a putt for the win and on the pro tour for a lot of these players it’s not a realistic thing unless you play you know out of your

Mind one weekend so I think it’s good to kind of sharpen your skills in some of these smaller tournaments oh for sure yeah I mean I think I was able to kind of bypass us a little bit with my experience in other sports coming into disc golf but yeah if

You’re just kind of like just getting into disc golf or whatever I I I agree like get your toe wet in some of these smaller tournaments and slowly build your way that’s what me and Julie have always said too on here like if you’re trying to get known if you’re

Trying to get sponsored if you’re trying to get on the tour like win the local tournaments like beat the people in your local area and then kind of make the jump um and this this is more for like the young guys right one more thing I

Just was kind of thinking about as you were saying that was when you asked about what we could go back to I kind of missed when when Julie and I started playing if you if you were a sponsored player like if you were sponsored by Inova or Discraft it was like the

Biggest deal in the world you’re like probably the best player in your region and that’s one thing that I kind of missed it seems like you know there’s so many different more companies and so many players getting sponsored at every level M ma1 players ma2 players getting

Sponsored and stuff um I just remember the days when it was like oh you’re sponsored by Inova you’re like literally probably the best player state to make that happen so yeah it’ll be interesting to see if see like that’s something that I could see going back to it right like

You c i I think we see some teams kind of cutting back on like the street team and all this of where they’re sponsoring I mean we saw Lone Star this year sponsor 500 people in a dog right so I think it’s it it could be going back to

Where hey let’s just focus let’s put our most of our money our resources and stuff on the pros and then maybe we do have like an ambassador program as well but that you wouldn’t really consider yourself like sponsored right you’re not showing up to your local course saying like I’m

Sponsored by Discraft and ulie shows up being like I’m sponsored by Discraft like those two things are very different right is that what you’re kind of saying yeah 100% because I remember like it was like probably 2005 I won the Minnesota state championships in in Discraft called me up and asked me for

Sponsorship and I thought I had made it you know I was like one of only two people in my state to be sponsored at that time and now you know there’s probably 25 30 sponsored players in Minnesota alone maybe even more than that so yeah that’s funny because uh my

First world championships in the open in the open Division I remember I’ll never forget this um I was playing against somebody I can’t remember his name but he showed up and he was in in of a gear for one of my rounds like you know back

In the day they had like these black jerseys they had uh uh not jerseys but black collar shirts had blue ones and they had red ones and if you had one of those like that was intimidating and I remember thinking that like oh this guy’s sponsored for sure by Ana he’s

Going to destroy me and he did but it was like you know once I saw those colors on him I was like oh my gosh like I’m on a card with somebody really good it really meant something I remember that maybe maybe they can start like putting stars or something kind of

Like what those college football teams do like the how House State puts like all the Buckeyes all over your helmets to let you know like who’s playing well like you just show up with your like Prodigy bag and there’s like 5,000 stars and you’re like holy cow this guy this

Guy’s this guy’s sponsored and good this guy got his stripes yeah this guy’s got his stripes exactly all right let’s switch gears a little bit so we’ve kind of been talking a little bit more or we’ve been talking all about your playing style but something that I think

You’ve been one of the first to kind of do and and kind of lead the path now we’ve seen Paul MCB Beth do it we now have seen Le who’s joining us he’ll be talking about it going out and actually creating buying building and now running a disc golf course a disc golf

Tournament like talk to me a little bit about how you how that even came about like how did that start like how did you go and say like I I want to own a disc golf course you know it I mean I think it probably started a long time ago I think

It probably is a lot of dis golfers dream when you get into it full-fledged like we did to to someday have you know my own disc golf property that was just a dream from the start and never really thought it was too much of a reality but

You know back in it must have been about 2012 2013 I started really getting into the the course design aspect of it and I was getting hired to do a lot of courses around Minnesota and once I started you know getting 10 15 courses under my belt

Um I really was like you know someday I got to have my own property um we opened up a a disc golf shop in 2013 it was called the the Airborne disc golf Emporium and we had this this cool shop open for a couple years me and my

Partner and we shut it down because we kind of went all online and you know for whatever reason we shut down the shop and I said I wasn’t going to open up another Pro Shop unless it was on my own course so about six seven years went

Went by before we got to preserve and you know it’s it it was just a dream that I always always wanted to have to have my own property where all my friends and family could come play and and uh when it happened in 2020 um and

Then all of a sudden the pro tour is coming and it kind of blew up so fast that and started snowballing so fast that you know we didn’t even understand how big it was going to get at the time but you know seeing how fast and and how

Big it’s gotten and then this past year we had the opportunity to to get another discol property it’s a old course that used to be called vision quest in Minnesota it’s uh right up by Blue ruen Pines it was one of one of the best courses in Minnesota for many years but

The old owner kind of Let It Go and sold it to a new guy who gave us the opportunity to kind of come in and run it and I was like you know what we did this with The Preserve it worked we got the community behind us and this this

New property is only 18 holes so it didn’t seem like as much of undertaking as The Preserve but you know we were able to pull it off again and you know having having a disc golf property is just a dream and like you said Nico with

His and Paul with his and I’m sure ulie is probably going to have his before too long and there’s going to be a lot of us I think and you know it’ll be cool once once the pro tour is made up of a lot of the the players courses I don’t think

It’ll be too long it’ll be cool to see too like who ends up shifting into more of that Designer role too because we don’t have right now like we don’t really have longlasting design there are a few right like John hock I I believe right that’s a name that is familiar to

Me there’s a few that you can be like oh yeah that guy I know who that is but you know 30 years from now like a kale Laisa design course like that could be equivalent to like a Greg Norman design course right or um a Jack Nicholas something like that there we don’t

Really have anything going that route so that can be really really interesting one thing I do want to ask though disc golf right now is on a weird some people want more like pay to play courses some people are like no get that out of here I don’t want that do you

Foresee courses like yourself like do you see people going out and trying to create an experience trying to create something more than just showing up playing disc golf and leaving do you see that being like a profitable Venture for for more you know companies players in the

Future I definitely do but it has to be the right market for sure because you know up in Minnesota we have thousands and thousands of disc golfers all around the Twin Cities metro area maybe even hundreds of thousands so it’s really you know we have courses about every four or

Five miles down here and every single one is packed in the summertime so you know there’s in our particular area there’s a need for more and more courses and you know all the the the free City and stuff are places where people can kind of you know learn how to play but

There’s more and more of a desire around here for creating better playing environments pay-to-play courses and in Minnesota alone we probably have you know eight or nine pay-to-play courses but I remember when the first when the first city course changed the pay to play there was just like a complete

Uproar where people are upset about it and now after about five six years of that it’s become the norm and people don’t really batter an eye at it so it kind of takes um being in the right Market and having enough disc golfers in your area for sure but yeah I think you

Know people disc golfers want to play on that disc golf country club you know they want to play on something better than they’ve ever seen before so I think uh for us it’s been very successful and I think it can be for for people all all

Over yeah I mean I think for me going to a course where I know people aren’t going to be picnicking in the fairways I’m not going to have like potential like runners or bikers just kind of cutting across um I’m also not going to show up

And there’s going to be like 20 people on the first hole or potentially like playing and then like on whole eight someone just jumps in front of me like all those things at a certain point at a certain price point for people is like all right I’m drawing the

Line like I I don’t want to deal with this every time I go play disc golf so I think there is like you said there definitely is a market but as disc golf grows is just going to be like can that market continue to grow cuz like right

Now I I agree with you like there’s probably only a handful of markets in the US where coures like yours make sense right you can’t just could just drop a course in Atlanta and be like oh this is GNA be super successful people show up and pay $25 to play here you got

To be a little more strategic there but maybe eventually one day there it could be like that maybe maybe you can just drop a course in a big city and be fine yeah and like there there’s this like world sorry there’s this world famous dis Golf Complex up in northern

Wisconsin called hybridge and it’s it’s one of the best dis Golf properties I’ve ever been on Julie you’ve been there oh yeah yeah you were there in 2007 that’s where they had the World Championships actually um but it’s it’s so far off the grid that they’re kind of struggling to

To keep it going and that’s just because you know there’s there’s just not enough disc golfers up there so if if that exact property was down here in like you know around the Twin Cities of Minnesota it’d be one of the you know the most played disc golf courses in the world so

Definitely uh you need the right place how I mean how important do you think too like the land is right because with the funds that disc golf currently has it doesn’t seem like it would be that profitable to put a whole bunch of money into a disc golf course

And change it a whole lot move ground add a whole bunch right so like how important is that to like make sure because what you were saying there’s tons of golf courses I’ve gone to that are in the middle of nowhere they are so hard to get to but they are very unique

There’s something about them that makes them very unique to where when you show up there you’re like this is special and I think like if you just put a disc golf course in the woods somewhere that doesn’t necessarily going to make anyone be attracted to drive an hour and a half

To go play that course so what are what are some like Co design things that you have seen that you know attracts people to preserve well that’s The Preserve was a golf course you know this golf course was built back in the 70s and I don’t know the exact number but I

Want to say they put they it cost them like $2 million back in the late 70s build this place which is you know a ton more money now and what The Preserve was when we got it in 2020 it would have taken us probably five years to do all

That you know we were like gifted with this place that already had Land wall halls and creeks and bridges and you know all these features that had you know that so much money frankly was put into it that we were lucky enough to kind of get it after all that was done

And you know to for someone to to really go in and do it right and say okay I got a 100 Acre property I’m going to try to use all course philosophy and put so much money into this you know you got to really be thinking about your return

Investment unless someone that’s got a ton of money like the Eagles Crossing situation for example you know that guy’s put Millions into that property but it takes the right kind of person someone with a with a big dream that that wants to pull it off but you know

There doing it on a a smaller scale is probably a lot more uh realistic you know maybe digging out a couple ponds you know doing doing landscaping projects and stuff like that but you know I think you know as the game continues to grow I think we are going

To see some people that that come into the sport that are pretty ambitious and have some money and are going to want to do some fun projects so hopefully I’ll get the call when that happens yeah like I love I love going and playing the Portland open on those

Courses because of just how well manicured that that place is however you definitely know you’re not like you’re not meant to be there right like it’s it’s a it’s a golf course and we’re playing disc golf there and every time I’ve come back to The Preserve every

Year it gets farther and farther away of oh this is a disc golf course on a golf course it’s gets closer and closer to like no this is just a disc golf course the way that you guys have done the grass length too I’ve been saying that

Is so important to just visually see like oh this is where you want to land this is not where you want to land and I I love the changes that you have been making over there I think it’s awesome I know everyone that goes out there to

Watch it loves it it’s definitely one of the players’s favorite courses so I’m I always look forward to seeing because you know some courses you go and you’re like oh are they gonna Elevate are they gonna Elevate whole sev’s basket is that what’s going to be different this year

But I know with you guys out there there’s always something that you guys are doing to advance the course and I I love that the most about your guys’ property um all right I appreciate that and I I hope you like the the couple tweaks that we got for this coming year

Too we got we got about three holes and in mind that we’re going to be tweaking a little bit and making better so I appreciate you saying that you putting Hazard down the right side of hole one you know that’s that’s definitely one of the things we’re considering let the players sweat a

Little bit on that hole I know I think this is one of the things where kale and I have the opposite thought process he wants you to be able to throw it wherever you want I want OB [Laughter] everywhere I know and I know like it’s

Kind of half and half and split on the philosophy there but um you know if if there wasn’t already so many courses on tour that had obs everywhere I’d be more likely to do stuff like that but I just feel like there’s a place to have kind

Of both different styles and and but I do have some tweaks i’ I’ve been listening to to what the players want on a couple of the holes and hole one is definitely one of the ones that I think we might do that nice all right last

Thing here before we let you go um this was actually sent in by a fan I did ask some fans for some questions for you this person said I’d like to know the actual story of the climo trying to call Kale for an extra throw after his huge

Putt at the Majestic to tie on 18 and 20 2007 so we’ve got the clip s if you can roll the clip this this was like one of the first disc golf videos I saw and this was yes this was electric when I saw I just randomly stumbled I didn’t

Even know this was you I had no idea I I think I had someone had to tell me this was you or something this was electric let’s go so I didn’t know is there a climo story here that I don’t know about does he try to call you on

Something afterwards or what what yeah tell this tell the story if you will Well yeah if you let that clip roll a little bit you’ll see at the end after I’m done running around like an idiot for about 20 seconds here just watch this when I kind of Spike my uh Spike My

Putter down at the end here so so you saw that I spiked my putter down at the end this was the final hole did he say that that count as an extra throw that Throwdown the spike broy yes yes and I had just I just H out it was my

Final hole of the tournament essentially and that was to tie him on the final hole and it’s honestly you know because we see that was a pretty hype moment you have to admit like especially for 2007 disc golf like I haven’t seen a lot of eruptions like that even on you know

2023 but but it was you know I think just like the rush of emotion with all the like that was my Minnesota crowd behind me my friends and family are there and I don’t know what got into me but I’m running around I pretty much blacked out as I’m running around

Celebrating and stuff and I just spiked my putter down didn’t think anything of it and I remember everyone kind of tapped out on the final hole and the TD kind of brings us together it was Timmy Gil at the time and he says and Kenny’s pretty much trying to to get me stroked

For for an extra practice throw for spiking my putter there and I’m just like you know I I couldn’t believe it I was just like you know I tied you fair and square like what are you trying to say here the tournament was over um and I remember and again I love

Kenny and but it was a heat of the battle kind of thing that happened here but I remember they asked our groupmates and this was like a you can have Nico who’s coming on next he was in the group as like a 17-year- old kid and I remember asked everyone in the

Group what they thought should happen I remember Nico he goes man he hit that Putt in your face and I remember I was like all Nico you’re my boy from then on but was he right was it right ruling to say like you is that technically could count no

He he was he was not right so once you hold out it doesn’t matter what you do yes and and we ended up going to like a Four Hole playoff and like after what just happened all the excitement and you know the kind of Confrontation between

Him and I and the crowd was just way more on my side especially after this confrontation happened and I remember we both birdied the first three holes and on the fourth hole I had like a 35 foot Putt and he was parked and I remember just hitting it just low and he walked

Up and he was so hyped he tapped in his Putt and he’s got his arms in the air chanting Florida and it was it was pretty intense moment for 2007 I’ll tell you that wow wow oh man yeah I mean that I love you Kenny that uh that

Celebration like I remember going back to to Ultimate we won on what we what we call Universe point it’s basically 1414 next person to score wins and uh one of our best players at the time this was back this was my freshman year in 2006 um he catches the goal and then

Just rips we’re playing like 25 mph wins he just rips this nasty Lefty backhand straight up in the air and like a wind gust catches it and launches the thing like 500 feet over the Pavilion way out in the middle of nowhere and it was like

One of the sickest like he launches it up and his arms are up in the air and it’s like that’s like one of the sickest thing and watching you I mean a spike is not near I to me like that’s like I don’t know how you even say try to say

That’s a throw but I could see that being a future celebration right like someone drains a putt runs up grabs the disc and then just Chucks it in the air that’s an electric I mean that was one of the best kind of celebrations I think

I’ve seen uh in disc golf and we need more of that stuff to be honest with you right more to man I was so I so hyped I remember was I was like down three Strokes or three to play and so you know coming back and hitting that putt I

Completely just lost it but yeah I mean heing the crowd just erupt like that it kind of It kind of you know Sparks its own celebration itself just by hearing the crowd eruption that was that was unbelievable man all right well hey we appreciate everything kale that you uh

Your long career in disc golf and your continued long career in disc golf with all the stuff that you’re doing over at The Preserve I know all of us uh players fans everyone has really appreciated all that you have done for disc golf and uh yeah we really appreciate you taking the

Time to come on here man hey it’s really my pleasure and I just I seriously want to say thank you guys for for working so hard and putting out so much content we all appreciate it because I remember when I we don’t we don’t do anything it’s all silus syus does everything me

And Julie just show up is the man syus is the man I remember like when I first started playing I had one disc golf DVD and I probably watched it like a hundred times so all the people getting into the game now get to watch you know you guys

Talk about dis Golf and stuff it means a lot so thank you guys yeah of course all right we’ll definitely have to have you come back on at some point anytime all right boys all right man have a good night