Matt McCarty joins Shane Bacon and Patrick McDonald to talk his close call with 58 at the Baycurrent, his rookie season on Tour and the upcoming Bank of Utah Championship where he is the defending champion.
0:00 Intro + Matt McCarty joins the show
0:30 Spending time in Japan off the course
2:45 Almost shooting 59 at the Baycurrent
12:27 Going for KFT success to PGA Tour victory last year
16:30 Biggest learning curves jumping to the PGA Tour
22:00 Biggest triumphs and disappointments in rookie year
30:00 Getting to the PGA Tour from a less than typical path
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What’s up everybody? It’s the Golf on CBS YouTube show. Shane Baker with Patrick McDonald. We got Matt McCarti defending this week in Utah. He joins the show after some back and forth in terms of the browser setup he had going. Matt, first things first, uh you just got back from Japan, right? I mean, you played the event over there. And then how long did you spend in Japan just kind of hanging around? Yeah, uh spent all week there until Saturday. Went to Kyoto for a few days. You know, my girlfriend was there, so we were hanging out. Uh my mom was there too, so it was a nice little, you know, family trip, spent some time and uh yeah, first time over there. So like, you know, I kind of, you know, obviously playing the event was awesome, but just to kind of like experience the culture and hang out is, you know, that’s a cool thing about what we do is get to go to all these cool places. And I think especially this time of the year after, you know, playing a full season, it’s nice to have a little bit of a vacation as well and, you know, take a break and kind of, you know, experience those cool things that we get to do because of golf. So, um, yeah, it was a lot of fun and, you know, set the clubs down for a little bit, which is tough, but, you know, I’m here, um, got to Utah yesterday and, um, you know, here earlier than I normally am, so we’ll have plenty of time to kind of get back on schedule and get it going again. Are you a big sushi guy, big foodie or what? What was the best part of Japan? Yeah, I mean the food was the best part. Um, but also just like the culture of the people over there and just how nice and respectful everybody is, how quiet like it is and so busy, but it’s so quiet at the same time and just like um you know, the only people that you really hear are the other loud Americans walking around. So um but yeah, no, very very cool experience. So, it was a lot of fun. Yeah. I was going to ask some highlights uh of the non-golf side of it because I do want to get into the final round on the golf side as well because you almost did something pretty incredible there. But highlights in terms of maybe a dinner that stood out, something you saw that stood out. Um did you get noticed at all um away from the golf course at any point? Anybody come see or selfie? No, I think if I wouldn’t have uh shoved that drive on 18, I might have had a better chance of getting recognized, but no, nothing. Um, we’re not quite there yet, but uh, no, it was it was great. We have a good, uh, one of my good buddies I grew up with, his dad’s Japanese and they moved back or moved over there, you know, a few years ago. So, had a good like local, you know, family friend in Tokyo and they took us to like a couple, you know, traditional Japanese restaurants and like couple of his like local, you know, watering holes he goes to. It was it was pretty awesome. got to meet some really cool people and um yeah, it was it was a lot of fun and like you know truly like kind of like a week I won’t won’t forget. So it was awesome. All right, let’s talk about that final round. Um you know, we got the easy pleasantries out of the way. When when did you start thinking about 59 on that? Uh I guess it was the first nine there, but the back nine for you. Yeah, so I started on 10. Um I mean just four under on you know my first nine the back and then um yeah birdied one two three um I hit it to like eight n feet for eagle on four and like kind of thinking you know if you make that you got a pretty good chance like the front’s pretty getable out there. um you know missed that and I’m like well you know pretty much kind of got to birdie out to get in and then you know four holes later um you know you never really think you’re going to make you never really think you’re going to make eight in a row um but yeah walking off six you know I told Doss my caddy I was like all right let’s just get two more and um we did but we also needed a bar in there somewhere so um but yeah it was uh you know kind of like a late burn into the pound and especially, you know, the 59, but you never you always know where you’re at on like a day like that. So, it was it was there kind of the whole time, but you know, I was kind of hit I hit a close on all those holes. I kind of had short putts. I kept thinking about, you know, it the whole time. And um yeah, definitely a very kind of, you know, crazy feeling being like, you know, kind of one of the first groups off on Sunday and having that many nerves coming down the stretch when you’re I don’t know what I was in like, you know, 10th or 14th and um you know, definitely feels like you’re in contention. So, it was a cool cool feeling. Um and yeah, kind of, you know, proud of how I hit a lot of shots coming down the stretch except for that um one on 19T, but it was it was a lot of fun. I mean, eight in a row is wild. I think I’m more impressed with 10 of 11. I mean, it’s just like so stupid. The fact that you’re just absolutely out of your mind. I mean, like, have you had a heater like that in your career at any point in your life? Um I mean, I shot 59 at the Wyoming State Open. That’s right. like right in the summer. But that course was a lot shorter and easier than you know this place was. Um but no, I think I think the most I’ve ever had before was like I know I’ve had five maybe six once or twice, but uh but no, it was kind of crazy the way like I missed like a short like a 4-footer on 15, hold out from the bunker on 16 and then lipped out like my bunker shot on 18. So it like very easily could have been what is that like 13 in a row almost kind of um you know withholding two bunker shots obviously but uh but yeah it was it was it was pretty wild. I I am curious. We have three left-handers right here for golf which I feel is like as rare as it gets pretty much. Um are you a natural lefty? Do you do everything left-handed? No, I do everything right-handed. just like swing a club and like a baseball bat and never played hockey, but if I played hockey, it would be lefty as well. Uh, but no, do everything right-handed. I’d have really no reason of why that is. Probably I grew up like my dad always played. Shane knows my dad pretty well. Um, but like I think I just kind of went to the range with him really young and probably tried to like mirror what he was doing. I think that’s like the Phil Mickelson story too. Um, so I don’t know. Okay. Interesting. I want to I want I want to ask about the drive on the last um because you hit it out of bounds and if you make par you shoot 59. Now I will say this because you mentioned this to me in a text. You were trying to shoot 58 which I really respect and appreciate and you said it was a drive you hadn’t loved all week. Is that right? Well I’ve hit I hit driver there all week. I actually liked the T- shot. Like I felt like I would miss that right more though. like kind of pull it through in the rough and like you can make par from there pretty easily. Um, but yeah, I don’t like, you know, I told Doss after the round, too. I’m like, I’m glad, you know, I think part of him probably wanted us to hit 3-wood and just kind of, you know, get it in the house, but I’m glad that like I kind of did what I, you know, kept with my strategy that whole week. And that that graphic is crazy because it was like, wow, it was like out of rude. It was like it was like a yard left of like that bunker line. it like you know my provisional it was like three yards left of that one. I think it just like clipped the tree. I mean it was definitely like cutting a little bit but I thought like you know I would get and that was the other thing with drivers like if I push it a little I have a chance of getting it around that corner. Uh but no it definitely wasn’t like high yacht like you know the whole way. Um I thought it was good. You know I was playing with go. He he said he thinks it’s okay like I don’t need to hit provisional. I was like I’m going to hit one. I don’t want to have to like walk back right now. Um but yeah, just kind of, you know, it was one of those like 50/50 balls and we got up there and you know the stuff out there is really thick and never found it. So, um is what it is. But I honestly did feel like at that point like I had hit every wedge basically that day. It felt like inside five feet. If I hit that fairway, you know, I think I had a pretty good shot at, you know, if I played my provisional, you know, one swing away from a 58. So, I mean, can’t you can go back and forth about that decision as much as you want, but I felt like just how I was playing. It wasn’t like, you know, it was also I was probably in like eighth or ninth at that point. It’s like, are we really trying to protect, you know, like the 10th or 11th place finish? You know, obviously 59. Protect the points, Matt. Come on. You know the rule here. Got to protect those points. How close did you hit the wedge after the provisional since you were hitting your wedges so close? That was the thing. That was It never left. like it never left the pin. It was like 104 like kind of like a comfortable smooth like little 54 for me and never left it. And I thought I made that thing too. It was like 8 feet right behind it. So it was like even after the OB ball there was still like a little bit of hope in the air there for me. So that was that was tough. And it it did it did look like it had some spin coming back. It only had about like three feet. I needed about 12 on it. But um but yeah, it was good. I mean, that would have been a cooler way to shoot 59 than say 58, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, that would have been Yeah. sick 59. Yeah. I mean, you’re just a just a showman really at the end of the day. Um, what is that feeling like compared to contention, right? Do you still have like similar nerves, stuff like that? Yeah, I mean I it honestly felt pretty much the same as trying to win a golf tournament to be honest, especially um you know, seven, eight, and nine. um all three of those I mean it’s you know that’s something that hasn’t been done I think you know only like 14 or 15 times you know in the game of golf so you’d be joining a you know very very small group of elite players so it’ be um and then obviously too having that you know having one hole to go and knowing that that 58 with Furick’s out there too um something very cool too so um but yeah gave it gave it our best effort and um you know happens. I I wonder if there I wonder if there was a camera on you. Was there a camera on you when you hit that shot into nine? So that was the thing I guess cuz I saw the camera guys running like when we were on like eight fairway, but I don’t think I had like a single shot covered and also I don’t think the first shot of me hitting it in the stuff left was even like shown. Um cuz I think like the announcers were confused and I was you know I got a lot of texts from people they were like how do you how do you just like not show that and you know whatever but uh yeah I think there was a little confusion on the broadcast maybe of that if that was my first drive or second drive or whatever but uh yeah I don’t know I mean at the same point I teed off 10 like second group in the morning I don’t think that they were really thinking that I was put on on Matt to go out there and make eight straight birdies on the back. It is funny. I mean, Patrick, you bring up a good point about the like the potential for a hole out or something silly. Um, we had we had Davis Chadfield on KFT a few weeks ago and he has like 35 ft on the last uh at this new golf course to shoot 59 and Niti’s just setting up. He’s like, “This is a really hard putt even to get to the hole.” And he bangs it in the back, right? And we go to commercial, come back out of commercial. We’re like, “Is that the longest putt ever for 59?” You know, we were trying to think about I think JT made a pretty long one in Hawaii that time when you did it the Sony Deval was like 15 ft. You know, I mean, most of the time you’re not making some bomb to do it. Uh, but hauling out to do it would have easily been the coolest kind of exclamation mark on the round. So, Matty, at least you gave that a run. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess it would have been would have been a small victory afterwards, but uh Yeah. Yeah. I mean, would have had that for sure. So, would have been cool, but it it did it never left the pin. I was like even in the air. I was like, “Oh, we still got this.” All right, let’s uh let’s talk about this week a little bit. Defending champ obviously you went on like a heater of all heaters really last summer going into the fall. How how satisfying was it for you to bring that confidence in that game from the cornfairy tour and those three wins immediately onto the PGA tour? Yeah, I mean very satisfying and I think um that was kind of the biggest thing too of like you know having it be my second start and I played really well kind of early in the week at Sanderson which was my first start the week before and you know kind of you know struggled that weekend and but felt like I learned a lot just from like you know having that first tour event nerves and kind of everything that comes along with it and um you know went from like a featured group at Sanderson coming off the corn ferry married to, you know, last tea time, you know, Thursday at Black Desert last year and, you know, came out u shot nine under the first round and, you know, was in it all week and just kind of kept that momentum rolling that I had um from Cornferryy. But I mean, I think there were like kind of a lot of factors of, you know, how I was playing, but then also, you know, first time out this course, you know, at Black Desert in Utah for everybody. And, you know, kind of a very unique um golf course and environment. You know, desert golf here. You know, obviously the lava kind of replaces like the more mundane desert we have in Scottsdale and Arizona, but you know, the ball goes far and, you know, it was a little hotter. was a little earlier in October and just felt really comfortable with kind of, you know, the environment and, you know, it’s tough to kind of get some of your lines off the tea out here and I felt comfortable with that growing up in Desert Golf and everything. So, I felt like I kind of had an advantage over uh you know, most of the guys. And I think that was something you know this first year on tour is like you know when you got guys that have been playing these courses for 10 or 15 years and it’s your first time seeing it. It’s kind of like a tough part about being a rookie on tour that I think you know a lot of people don’t talk about enough as well. like it’s just a huge adjustment and I think anytime that you can kind of be on a level playing field going into a week um you know with people it’s definitely helpful and um I think at that point too I looked at like you know the field um you know the week before last year and I think I was like the third or fourth you know best world ranking in the field as like my second PGA tour event but it’s like you know why not um why why shouldn’t we you know have a week and be in it all week. So just kind of kept telling myself that and put myself in position and you know obviously you know Sunday was able kind of to handle everything that came with it and pull through. So it was awesome. Where did the confidence in terms of the wins at the end of the season on KFT ended the win on the PJ tour? Where did that confidence come from? Was there a certain week or tournament maybe earlier in the year or a moment you had where you started to really believe in your ability to be one of the better players on the corny tour? Yeah, I mean I think I’ve kind of I mean Denver was the biggest week for me of like you know three shot lead going in the last round. Kind of hit the ball okay but putted really poorly and was just you know felt that kind of nerves and tension and just didn’t like put a lot of good confident strokes on a lot of putts and you know was pretty tight and nervous that whole day. Um but you know just kind of frustrated from that day and how that week ended and then to roll over into Springfield, Missouri the next week and put myself back in contention and get it done and then you know kind of from there just keep rolling the next you know two and a half, three months, whatever it was. Um but yeah, I think I’ve kind of learned uh you know I play some of my best golf after you know some poor rounds to finish tournaments and being pissed off a little bit. I think that was honestly a little bit of Japan, you know, last week too of like I honestly felt like I was playing really good. Finished the first round, you know, very poorly. Played great the second round, finished the third round very poorly and then, you know, kind of, you know, wanted to finish strong and kind of same after, you know, coming off Napa, too. Played felt like I played great for three days and just didn’t have a good day that fourth day. in um but yeah, it’s just you know kind of you know struggling and you know playing some poor rounds to finish some events kind of ignites that you know fire under your ass a little bit and I think that you know was kind of that stepping stone for me last year but I think that’s that’s what it’s been for me a little bit too. You you touched on the golf courses there. What do you think the biggest adjustment or learning curve from the Cornferry tour to the PJ tour this first year has been for you? I mean, just on like a overall level, the courses are just tougher and more demanding, especially off the tea, you know, around the greens, even like on the greens, there’s just a little bit more going on. It’s not quite as much of a birdie fest. I told Shane, you know, early this year, it’s like, you know, you kind of got to learn to be okay with making pars again and just like, you know, making a few like good pars and just keeping a round going and shooting two or three under out here is, you know, how you have a good week as opposed to cornfairy if you’re not shooting six or seven every day. You know, it’s kind of kind of tough to do. So, um, but yeah, it’s just, you know, a little bit more demanding and then obviously the competition and just everybody that you’re playing against is, you know, that much better and there’s just less margin for error there as well. Um, but yeah, Matt, you you’ve play it seems like you play well. I mean, obviously I know you do you did well obviously last year on Corin Ferry and you got to go low, but you’re talking about parring, you know, par being a good score. I mean, you played well this past year. You played well at Sawrass. What did you finish at at at the players? Was it like 20th or something? Yeah. Something something like that. And then obviously you played really well at Augusta. Um why why do those types of courses do you feel like fit your game maybe more than some of the ones and the experiences where you’ve won where you’ve had to shoot 25 26 under? Yeah. I mean, I think it’s just like kind of accuracy off the tea and, you know, putting been a big strength of mine around the greens, you know, chipping and everything and just kind of, you know, getting feeling my game out and just getting the ball in the hole even when you don’t have your best stuff. Sometimes is good. And sometimes that’s easier to do on a harder course when you know, you know, the value of par is high and um, you know, you don’t have to shoot, you know, six, seven, eight under every day and you can kind of just get it around. But um I think just consistency and I’ve always kind of been that way. I just you know embracing the challenge of playing a harder golf course and you know everything that comes with that and just trying to you know step your game up a little bit. I think it just kind of you know helps helps focus you a little bit. I mean, I think Augusta was, you know, kind of my first big experience with that of like you really just are trying to hit such small targets that it really narrows your focus. And I think that’s, you know, helpful to do on any golf course especially, but it’s easier to do when it’s really tough and you know, you know, there’s a lot of places that you can’t be around the hole. So, what what was that Saturday like for you? Because I think you were off in like the third to last group, first masters. I think Sheffler was ahead of you, Rory behind you. Just getting thrown into the fire like that. How was that? Yeah, I mean it was awesome. Yeah. Uh Scotty in front of me, Rory behind me playing with uh Shane Lowry. Um so it was really cool just, you know, that first big experience of, you know, having, you know, all the crowds kind of moving around and learning how to deal with that. But I I honestly played great that day. I think I had 15 pars in a row. uh rinsed one in the water on 16, made like a terrible double on like finished, you know, I think four over at my last three. So, it was tough, but um was just kind of one of those days where I was playing really good and just couldn’t get anything going and maybe kind of pressed a little bit too much at the end. But, I mean, honestly learned a lot, you know, from that um day as well. And um I think for my first time kind of being in that position, handled it pretty well overall. And sometimes that’s just golf and how it goes, you know. So, yeah. What uh what specifically do you think you learned about yourself? Um I think it’s just I mean it sounds very cliche, but it’s just you don’t have to be as perfect as you think you need to be, especially in those situations. And um but then at the same point, I mean, just playing with Shane and seeing how how well he hit around that place and the level of golf that you know those guys have in those moments is, you know, something to aspire to for sure. And um yeah, it was a lot of fun. And um I remember him being kind of upset and like watching his interview when we were coming out of scoring and uh everybody wanted to talk about Rory. He’s like, I’m trying to win the golf tournament, too. And you know, just seeing that, you know, level of that the Masters is very unique because everybody’s, you know, everybody’s very happy to be there, but everybody wants to win that event more than anything, I think, too. So, um it was cool to be in that position and you know it’s been I think uh kind of walking off walking off uh the course in Japan Sunday was kind of the same thing of like you know played my best round on tour so far and you know bogeied the last hole to you know shoot 60 could add 59 58 whatever and same thing at the Masters on Sunday walked off uh bogeied 18 and finished 14th and honestly felt like I missed the cut you missed T12 by one and you know would have gotten the automatic invite back and it’s like you know I had a couple of those this year where honestly like I felt like I played great events and you know some of the best events of you know rounds or events of my career and you walk off with like a very disappointing feeling. It’s kind of like a very weird uh just like a weird feeling to have of like you should be very happy in that moment but it feels like you just missed a cut or missed like a huge opportunity. So, it’s it’s tough, but it’s uh you know, it’s part of the game, too, for sure. It’s like kind of why golf’s so challenging, but it’s also the great part of, you know, you get to tee it up again a week or two later and get back after it. So, Matty, you got the Chicago golf hat on. I know you spent a decent amount of time up in Chicago. Are you ticking off golf courses as you visit areas like early in the week at all, or do you do that kind of Tom Watson style approach to to trips and stuff? Yeah, we I mean we’ll do a little bit more probably this next year coming up. It was tough this year with just trying to, you know, get used to the courses on tour and there was enough to be had with a lot of that. Um but we did we did do some we played Oldtown at Windham um on Tuesday. Had a good week there. So I feel like sometimes it’s good just to kind of you know get out and just have a fun round. And you know, my caddyy Doss is he’s his nickname now is America’s Guest, and he’s just trying to click off as many as he can. So, he’s he’s he pushes me a lot for that. Um, we did. Matt, are you sure you don’t want to go play this place? And you’re like, we need a practice round, dude. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it’s definitely a little little tougher to do some of that this year, but um I mean having a PGA tour card, being able to call up some of these places a little easier than a corn ferry card. So um but no very lucky to get up to get out to a lot of these places and just experience you know just being a fan of the game and kind of you know course architecture as well as you know I’ve played some of these places and just kind of you know you learn a lot about you know when these great golf courses just playing them and sometimes some of these tournament courses we play will seem a little bit more simpler and easier too at times. um usually longer and more difficult than some of these old school like great golf courses, but at the same time, you know, um still golf and it’s nice just to kind of, you know, not care about your score for a day and have fun with some buddies. So, it’s great. Do you have a a stop on the PJ tour you’re kind of or a couple or whatever you’re itching to get back and get that second crack at or an area even that you enjoyed? Yeah, I mean, uh waste management for sure. Um I think like yeah just you know my first that was my first kind of you know huge event growing up there with all the people you know I was playing with Windham and Oshay kind of in a big you know big group those first two days and I think I kind of you know I played that place you know hundred times and I found myself on Thursday in like eight spots that I’ve never been on that golf course before just off terrible shots and was like what are what are we doing out here and um so another crack at that and then honestly the players Um, you know, felt like I played really well out there and kind of know Sawrass pretty well. Spent a decent amount of time in Jacks. My girlfriend’s family lives there. So, um, but I felt like kind of that Florida swing, you know, fits my game really well and kind of want another, you know, crack at that. But honestly, there’s a lot of a lot of places this year where I felt like I, you know, could have played a little bit better. So just looking forward to kind of you know having that year under my belt and you know getting back after it you know starting in January for sure and you know having a good week here you know in Utah again and trying to defend is something you know I’ve never uh been able to do. Well I guess it’s been good that I haven’t uh you know had a chance to defend you know the corn ferry and stuff but it is it is something unique and something that’s difficult to do out here and you know would be a cool uh you know accolade for sure. Yeah I mean obviously the game’s trending. I mean, I know you said you kind of put the clubs away for a few days, but I mean, even the rest and probably the step away from the game at times can be helpful for the mind. I mean, you got to be feeling relatively confident coming into a golf course you played so well last year. Yeah, 100%. And I think, you know, for me, too, it’s like, you know, it’s nice to kind of put the clubs away and just, you know, have fun, enjoy, you know, this life a little bit too. And, you know, new experiences that, you know, I wouldn’t have had, you know, without this game for sure. So like just being able to do that and I think you know I’m someone that you know you know works really hard when I’m out there and need but I definitely need you know some breaks here and there just to kind of you know take a step back and um you know give myself kind of a mental break as much as physical too. So, it is nice to, you know, put the clubs away. And I feel like, you know, you know, my fourth year now, uh, out just, you know, touring around playing and I feel like it’s less about like putting less emphasis on like kind of where my game’s at at any given day. And just, you know, having I talk a lot, um, you know, with my coaches of like confidence shouldn’t come from previous results. It just comes from acting that way, you know, no matter what’s happening. and um I think you know having a few days off and you know got here a little bit earlier and I’ll I’ll be I’ll be fine by Thursday so we’ll be all good to go. Okay. Rookie year year as a whole. What were you most proud of yourself for and most disappointed in yourself for? Um I think proud of just kind of my resiliency throughout the year. I felt like it was a very especially last year on cornf tour. I just felt like I was kind of cruising, making a ton of cuts. Like it seemed really easy. And I think it was a little bit more up and down for me, especially like results-wise this year. And, you know, would have a couple off weeks and but pick myself up and put myself back in a good spot. And um just kind of how I managed just the new experiences and everything that came along. Like honestly with, you know, kind of talking about Augusta, like Saturday was perfect. like I felt like I handled that day really well and just didn’t, you know, get what get what I should have gotten out of it, you know. Um um but yeah, and then uh you know, kind of disappointed with, you know, how I played in, you know, the rest of the majors after Augusta, feeling like I kind of, you know, had a good opportunity there and but earned my way into the British, which was awesome, and or the Open, sorry. Um there you go. Yeah, we’re watching now. they’ll come after you. Yeah. Um but no, just kind of, you know, PGA and that week were a little disappointing how I finished on Friday, but uh yeah, I mean, just kind of wanted another crack at those, but you know, very motivating to be out here and I think just, you know, taking it all as a learning experience and just moving forward. I think I did great with that this year, so it was good. Matt, I got a couple more for you. One is you were in Japan for a few days. You mentioned you went to a couple bars. They love karaoke in the bars. Did you sing any karaoke? And if you did, would you sing? I did not. Uh oh man. What’s your song? What’s your song? Yeah. What do you go? I don’t have one. I’m not a huge I’m not a huge karaoke guy. I’m terrible with that. I I’ll sing in the car. Most people aren’t, but if you have five beers, you are, you know. Yeah. Uh no, we actually didn’t really hit like a true karaoke bar. Um but yeah, so next year next year that’ll be your spot. All right. My other question for you is, and I’m assuming you probably get this a decent amount um when you’re talking to to young people, but you know, you weren’t the the Bama kid or the Texas kid, you know, I mean, you weren’t I don’t I don’t believe you were, you know, extremely highly touted amateur kid. I mean, you had a good amateur career, but I mean, you weren’t JT or Jordan Speed or somebody like that. Um, what do you tell young people out there that want to be a pro golfer but maybe aren’t seeing the results in AJGA tournaments, maybe aren’t seeing the the letters come in from uh, you know, Arizona State or, you know, Bama or Georgia Tech or Vanderbilt? What do you tell young people that want to get to your level, maybe want to follow in your path, but aren’t kind of on the road that typically leads to PJ tour success? Yeah, I mean I think just kind of, you know, just get that like 1% better every day and just stick with what you’re doing and don’t don’t try to I think even like this year for me it was a big thing of like looking at all these guys that have had so much success and trying to do stuff that is out of your wheelhouse and trying to do too much sometimes. And I think that’s kind of a big thing for me growing up is I just, you know, I’ve had the same coach since I was 13 and he was great with me for that of just, you know, really just sticking to kind of, you know, process everything and just keep working hard and stay patient with yourself and everything that’ll come. And I think, you know, in terms of like going to college is, you know, it’s it’s really, you know, tough and you want to go to like these big schools and do all that, but at the same point, like, you know, if you if you got an offer somewhere, that was the best advice I ever got, you know, going to Santa Clara and going somewhere that I felt like I could play for four years. And I got so much I got so much better playing in every event um you know for four I co year five years in college you know than um than I would have you know sitting on the bench at ASU for two years and then only having two years of you know playing events or wherever that may have been you know um but I think just that experience of and I think golf’s unique in that sense of like you know football and basketball are a little different. the big schools play a better schedule, but like you know we were playing a lot of like pack 12 events, you know, rip pack 12, you know, at the time and um but you know um there’s a lot of opportunity especially at like those mid majors for golf and honestly like going up to Santa Clara and in the Bay Area we were able to play so many great golf courses and just like you know having that experience of you know going around to great places in San Francisco down in Monterey and everything was you know invaluable for me especially a kid growing up in Arizona and not really knowing what true rough was or, you know, wind and cold a little bit. So, yeah, it it all works out. Um, but yeah, just trust yourself and, you know, stick with what you’re doing and just stay patient more than anything. Well, Matty, uh, thanks for the time, man. Appreciate you uh, downloading extra browsers and getting yourself dialed in. Hopefully, the jet lag’s not bad. Listen, we said it before we got going. Jet lag’s been a success as of late in terms of the sports world considering what the Rams just did in London. So, hopefully that plays into your space as well. go out there um play well. Hopefully get another crack at 59 this year. Um cuz that was a hell of a scorecard. Yeah. Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys having me and uh looking forward to the week at beautiful Black Desert. Black Desert, baby. Matt McCarti, defending champion. Taking a little bit of time on a Monday.
