Super Store Golf Balls OVERRATED | NoPuttsGiven

Tony’s most overrated golf equipment? Super Store Golf Balls! We’re talking Kirkland signature, Sam’s club, and Amazon balls! Ben Griffin wins again! If torqueless putters are so good why does the Taylormade Spider keep winning? Check out these topics and more on today’s episode!

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04:37 Taylormade’s Winning Putter
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15:00 Overrated Golf Equipment
26:29 Soft Irons = Marshmallows
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The entire golf ball business was built quality first and they’ve sustained that for how how long now? 76 years, 75 years, something like that where they number one selling ball. Absolutely insane. And and then you have this mindset like that, call it Costco, right? Kirkland, the Walmart ball, whatever it happens to be that you know these guys can just go out and randomly source a golf ball from at best a Btier Asian factory, right? and and convince people that it’s every bit as good as a title list. To me, that that’s laughable. What is up everybody? How you living? No putts given. It’s November. Holy cow. Which means we’re closer to turkeys than we are to uh birdies in my part of the world. Are you still playing or No, I could be. I said, as I mentioned to you previously, my daughter had sectionals over the weekend. That’s right. Swimmer. Yeah, diver. D diver. Don’t confuse. Swimmers get all the credit. But diving counts, too. Does. So, does she finished She finished fifth in the section. Her teammate won. Okay. Um, but she did as a sophomore hit number nine on the alltime record board for her school. So, that’s pretty sweet. Top 10 ever in the history of the school as a sophomore. That’s that’s four years. That’s reaching a little further than you did in high school, huh? I don’t know. I mean, it’s such a low bar, but such a low bar. I understand. I know. I was all neighborhood. That’s right. You know, there’s there’s that. It’s like you said, it’s November, so it’s an interesting time, right? Like I said, we’re kind of in this uh call it like kind of equipment purgatory. Um you know, new stuff’s coming out. We saw some of on the conforming list last week. guys are playing it. We’ll know more kind of as we go. But Ben Griffin, uh, yeah, there’s still tournaments, right? Like the season that never stops. I was actually surprised to learn that the whole, you know, I mean, a year from now, we’ll have the good good championship with who knows what. I mean, that could be uh interesting. But yeah, we’re in this kind of weird time. Ben Griffin wins again, third time in a calendar year. It’s a big deal, I think, in the sense that it’s hard to win on any tour, you know, and and it’s hard to win anytime in a professional event. And he won again. Biggest thing in his bag, though, is he switched out the putter. He’d been going with a little Cameron Circle T again, Newport style, plumbers’s neck, very traditional. And he opted for a uh for an all black tailor made Spider X. Why not? Why not in one? And you know, I guess my question is, and I said this a couple episodes at some point in time, saying Spider X in particular, Spider Family, it’s the best putter that nobody really talked about this year at all. And and definitely should have. And part of that’s I think because everything was kind of overshadowed by this no torque, zero torque, low torque, whatever. There were no other putters. No other putters. There were no other putters. is kind of a a labification, if you will, of the putter in. We’re not going to do this right now. Excuse me for a moment. We have no squeaking. We have full squeak mode. Uh, shout out to the Happy Stafy toy company for Oh, squeaking toucan. Although, if I’d known, if I’d paid attention and read the part where it squeaks, I maybe wouldn’t have. Anyway, Ben Griffin. Ben Griffin. And I so yeah kind of it was kind of a labification of the world. Nobody really wanted and I get it. It was the primary story for most of the year in terms of equipment. But we have a post up on our socials and this uh says PJ Tour winning putters. So I’m assuming this means PJ Tour events uh only. But still um Tailor Made 15 wins. And again, yeah, a lot of that’s Rory and Scotty, the other guy. That other guy, that other guy. But Tommy Fleetwood. That’s But again, it’s Spider X. It’s Spider. It’s that family. It’s So, I guess my question to you is, is there anything inherently unique or interesting about that design of putter that you’re like going, “Hey, this is I mean, I have a thought as to why it’s overlooked, but what’s your take on it?” Because Scotty, you know, Scotty and Odyssey dominate the counts in general across the world. We know Odyssey puts out, you know, number one brand, you know, number one putter played across which is across worldwide tours. Cross worldwide tours, which it is. Ping has made putters for a long time. Uh maybe hasn’t advanced the category like some others have, but I’m a huge fan of what Ping has done. Like I said, it was it was a lab world leading that. That’s more in a retail space, but we saw a lot of them on tour, yet it’s a putter that almost nobody talked about. Spider X this year that absolutely dominated. What do you make of that? I mean, I think right zero torque, semi-torque, low torque, whatever you want to call it, was the the putter story of the year. And so, you kind of forget that anything else exists. I mean, Tailor Made Tailor Made did well with its entry in that category as well. ZT. Yeah, for sure. Didn’t Michael Kim switch to that one from the from Lab? Didn’t he switch to the Tailmade ZT just here at the end? I think he did. Not 100% sure. I mean, I think that’s part of it and and and part of the reason too is like you can you can split hairs over individual spider models, but right like spider itself, nothing about it feels new even again, right? There there are new models every now and again, but like to Tailormaid’s credit, it has established itself as this ubiquitous common shape where, you know, it’s not it’s not quite an answer, but it is it’s a winged mallet larger. Yeah. that that larger category of of putter shapes that everybody has and those tend to be I don’t want to say boring but like reliable well-known and so when when somebody wins with one kind like ah all right yeah of course why not right so yeah the winged mallet should have like I said should have gotten more love I think this year than it did but also there’s a benefit to being like I said whatever equipment it’s in the bags of the people that win the most throughout the year especially When you have a guy like Sheffler, like Rory, and they have multiple wins, whatever they’re bagging is going to, you know, certainly accelerate that, you could say, you know, in terms of equipment counts and that kind of stuff. But yeah, be interesting to see how 26 goes in terms of revamping stuff, whatever. But if Ben Griffin switches to it, which he did, if he sticks with that and has an exceptional year again or kind of maintains at all the space he’s on, if he I think if he even wins once in 2026, we’ll have to put him into that kind of category of guys that switch from a not just going from, you know, a certain blade to a certain mallet, but going from a blade to a mallet and all these guys, you know, obviously going to a tailor made mallet. But just have to, you know, make a note of that. You know, this is his bag. We’ve talked about it before last time around when he won, but it’s the most fascinating one or among the most fascinating out there. Like just very eclectic mix of brands. Yeah. You know, so Mizuno Irons, Ping Driver, Tailor Made Fairwaywood, Tailor Made Wedges. You mentioned the Tailor- made putter now. Mhm. And so and and of course the MaxFly Torx golf ball, right? But the thing here is like I think inarguably at this point he is Mazuno’s most notable staffer without a doubt. And so you have a guy who, you know, he’s he’s your guy and he’s got, you know, he’s got a one one tailor one Mazuno wedge to go with two tailor made wedges. He’s got Mazuno irons, but Metalwoods, he’s other um mostly wedges, other putter, mostly other. Golf ball, definitely other. Yeah. And like I wonder if at some point especially like we we don’t have the details but sure we know that when Mizuno rolls out its driver it’s going to be buil as you know largely it’s its greatest innovation ever in the driver category. Correct. And you have again their their top staffer playing very little of their gear. And this is you know we’ve talked about this before. Mhm. This is exactly what they were trying to get away from, right? This idea of like having staffers that don’t play almost exclusively their gear. And you know, most most everybody works on some kind of 11 club contract, 11 or 12. But yeah, plus or minus one. Yeah, there’s Yeah, Titus doesn’t write club contracts without the driver. Tailor Mate doesn’t write club contracts without the driver. And so, you know, looking at this, I’m like, man, you know, if if you really want to be seen as a force in the Metalwood category, you got to you got to figure this out. You’ve got to figure out how to get your stuff into the top of the bag at the tour level. Yeah. And once upon a time in a not too distant past, right, we know that that was part of how Mazuno was moving forward to kind of figure out that identity, right, in Metalwoods. wants to be known as much more than just a, you know, irons and irons and wedges in particular, but full bag company, full full-fledged equipment company, right? That’s everything from driver out down to the golf ball, right? At which point in time they mandated, right? This they gave people kind of a year to adjust and then said, “Hey, contracts moving forward have to include the driver.” And it did cost them at least one person. And I know Eddie Peril, um, I think would be the answer to that trivia question, but and obviously others stayed on. You had people like Keith Mitchell who if Keith wins once or twice, he could kind of vive for that flagship person in in their lineup. He just hasn’t. But he definitely plays more than than just the Irons. But yeah, I think you’re right. is particularly in this day and age and with what Mizuno says they have coming, they’re kind of pushing their chips to the middle saying, “Hey, this is as good as we’ve had ever.” And I’ll be very very particularly I guess Ben’s a really interesting scenario too because he’s playing the ping 10k, right? And so what that tells me, right, is he is it’s low spin enough. So he doesn’t need something that’s crazy low spin. He in this case is putting a premium on call it stability if you want to forgiveness, whatever. I don’t love that term mixing that with MOI, but that stability element. And we know that the T8 probably isn’t the fastest in terms of amount of horsepower, right? Topend ball speed in that driver probably isn’t going to keep up with GT3 or triple dime and stuff Callaway. So he’s like, “Okay, I’m giving up a little bit. Not much in the way of distance.” So to me, like that sets up very favorably for Mizuno to be able to get that out and get something in. I guess this this should be a great opportunity for them to do that. TBD, but I feel like it it’s almost a necessity because if you come out and say like, “We’ve got this is the greatest driver ever in the history of Mazuno.” Yep. And you’ve got your top staffer, a Ryder Cup player, and he said, “No thanks.” Yeah, we’ll see. We’ll see how it plays out. We’ll see. You told me something interesting earlier, uh, Tony, that that seems unlikely, but okay. It does, but may have done it on mistake. This company’s name means in Nordic or something mountains from what I found. Was it Finnish? Finnish. Finn. It means mountains. It’s on the internet. So, who knows? But means mountains. This company’s name means mountains in Finnish according to one to you heard it here first. Tony Cubby is now. Uh, what’s the answer to that trivia question? Vori. Vori. Vori. spelled v u o r i. Comfiest damn stuff on the plan on the planet. I I have to agree. I got my I got my Sunday joggers last week and a t-shirt and I may or may not have worn them like three days in a row over the weekend. And uh it’s I don’t know what to say other than it’s ridiculously comfortable. Like it is. It’s interesting. I mean, you know, mountains, but it does not make me want to go on the mountain. It makes me want to lay on my couch and be comfortable. Well, if if you got enough pillows piled up, you could have a mountain of pillows. That’s true. That’s all I got. That’s true. I’ll We’ll figure out if it’s mountain worthy. I’m in Colorado. I can take it out for a take it out for a spin. But we we do have a a little code. We’ll link to it for you if you’re interested in trying the world’s most comfortable clothing according to me. Um it’s uh we’ll link it down below. Get a little coupon, too. Get a little discount this time of year cuz you’re trying to save money. I’m trying to save money. Nobody wants to spend more. If we can spend less, that’s great. So, there you go. Overrated or underrated? Oh, boy. And I’m shaking these pens at you because this kind of made me think of it. So, this is that uh golf ink. Have you seen that stuff on there? It’s like claiming to be, you know, better than a Sharpie. I’m Yeah. Yeah. Basically better than a Sharpie. Even better than a Milwaukee Inksol. Mhm. Saying basically it stays on, you know, forever. I’m going to put it through my own personal kind of hell test this week and we’ll see if it’s overrated or underrated. But um what got me going on this, we we had a post on it over the weekend was like, “Hey, give us your most underrated or sorry, overrated brand.” And good lord, people are very um very much in their feelings around this around the internet. You don’t say. You don’t say. Excuse me. Yeah. I mean, I guess my question is this. What makes a brand overrated? I struggle with this answer like overrated brands because it’s is basically to me like question like hey what what brand do you want to [ __ ] about because you don’t like something about it and then you call it overrated. So like what does it mean for a brand to be overrated? I think it probably means they have a premium price point and are popular with a large segment and you know for whatever reason, right? You might feel like they’re not as good as others. I don’t know. I didn’t I didn’t look at the results like what are we seeing? Like who’s Well, what would you guess? Like just without seeing the results. What would you guess? Who would Who would I guess that Who would you guess that other people would say? Not necessarily what you think, but who would you guess? I I would guess the top two would be Taylor Maiden Titist. Yeah. Yeah. Scotty Cameron pops in there a bunch, right? Um, you know, and then you get others people are a smattering, right, of different products and brands. Um, I said Club Champion. That was my answer for the most overrated uh brand. I didn’t think about it from, you know, that that particular um, you know, vantage point, but It’s an interesting kind of thought exercise into what makes something overrated or what’s fairly rated or what’s under rated. Like what does that what does it all mean? getting very I mean like I said it’s like you’re never almost never is somebody going to say what’s the most overrated brand and pick you know they’re they’re not going to pick a small brand for the most part like the the target of this particular scenario is always going to be the large the big brands. Mhm. Yeah. For whatever reason, right? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody has an axe to grind with it. I mean, again, I’m trying to think about it from people’s perspective out there. Not necessarily what I think. I mean, like, I understand the Scotty Cameron hate. I don’t, but I do. Where they say, “Okay, well, it’s a premium price point.” Yep, for sure. Can a Scotty Cameron putter that’s $500, $600, $800, whatever, do a better job than the other putters that we’ve tested that are $99, $150? Well, I mean in that in that particular case there is a a fair I would say perceived lack of innovation to justify. So right late not not not there now right but late to the zero torque low torque as they’re calling it party. Mhm. you know, when we’ve been talking about face technology, whether it’s been, you know, Odyssey inserts, tailormaids, various, you know, pure roll stuff, even rule, right? The list goes on and on. Um, the uh descending loft stuff that that LA golf Yeah, Cobra has that all their putters, right? Cobra, right? There’s a lot of there’s a lot of cool face tech and, you know, you’ve never seen any of that from Scotty Cameron. So, yeah. Um, I think there’s a perceived lack of innovation with that brand, you know, which may lead some people to thinking that it’s right. Yeah. So, I I get that one and I’m honestly, you know, hardressed to argue with it necessarily. Sure. But counter to that, you didn’t ask, but I’m going to tell you anyway. Like, do it. You know, we had a post, I think not too long ago, which Sean Sean pulled together a staff post and I I didn’t get back to him in time, but it was like, all right, who is the who is the most underrated brand in golf? Yeah. And the the list from our our staff was exactly what you’d expect, right? Because it works the opposite of overrated. Underrated is is is generally code for like who’s a small brand that I really like. That that’s typically how underrated is perceived, right? And I thought about it and I was like, I would I would argue you can make a case it’s titlist. Mhm. Particularly in the golf ball category. I know. I would I Okay, I want to hear where you’re going. And I know like it’s expensive and I get it, but it’s been the the undisputed ask around like they are the quality benchmark for the industry. They’re they’re the guys that everybody else is trying to catch and they admit to that fact. Mhm. And I mean it’s the entire golf ball business was built quality first and they’ve sustained that for how how long now? 76 years, 75 years, something like that where they selling ball. That’s absolutely insane. And and then you have this mindset like that, call it Costco, right? Kirkland, the Walmart ball, whatever it happens to be that you know these guys can just go out and randomly source a golf ball from at best a Btier Asian factory, right? And and convince people that it’s every bit as good as a Titus. To me, that that’s [ __ ] laughable. Yeah. Um, now I will say there are some others that are are really good like we’ve talked about foremost a hundred times. You know, MaxFly, Wilson, Vice, all very good golf balls. And I would just just a step a very small step below titlist in terms of quality. But again, what’ you say 76 years, something like that. Yeah. Of of being the leader in in something that is incredibly important and easily overlooked. And this is coming from a guy who who overlooked it for probably the first seven eight years I was I was here. And until you see it, until you start, you know, testing golf balls and ripping things apart and understanding like, you know, how did you guys do this year after year, model after just think about this for a second. 1950, right? Roughly 75 years ago. You think about all the changes throughout industries and products and the golf market. So to be at the top of that through all of those changes, I mean, you look again, you’re hardressed to find products that have that type of or brands that have that type of market equity and ability to stay not just at the top or near the top, but like in a dominant fashion. Like I would argue, I agree with you 100%. I’d say, you know, titleless ball franchise, prov whatever, but balls in general might be when you really look at the history of it could be severely underrated as your I’ve said it before, just about anybody like, and this is this is where it kind of even gets lost in our own testing, right? Sure. Just about anybody can make a golf ball that performs as well as a Prov1 or like a Prov1. It’s because again like performance is to a large degree relative to the needs of the golfer in terms of launch and spin profiles, trajectory, that sort of thing, right? But but to make you know a million of them and then another million and another million and have the the differences between any two in that that 3 million sample be minuscule. Like it’s I I don’t think people appreciate what it takes to do that. Yeah. And Yeah. it I mean it’s crazy. So you see you know what’s overrated again as sometimes it’s just code for hey it’s expensive and I don’t see the value which totally understand. I mean if you don’t see the value okay there’s a a utility component to it of hey this can do the certain job I’m looking for as well as or close to as well as a different product at a fraction of the cost. So it’s more of a value assessment. um you know, okay, totally fine. Uh but then people, you know, it’s just an open invitation to rant on whatever brand they don’t, you know, part, you know, particularly like Peter Malar pops in here a couple times, people go, “Oh, yeah.” You know, someone say, “Hey, any any polo that costs over $100, Malban, saw Malbond more than once.” Um you know, so you get some of that stuff. Uh, how can how can largely a fashion brand be overrated? Like you don’t you’re not seeing any wild performance claims from Maldon, right? Well, that’s the hard because to me that is just a preferencing because it’s like yes, I mean technically, okay, what are you looking for that pair of pants or that hoodie to do? Yeah, absolutely. If it’s just clothe you and keep you warm or something, okay, you know, anything more than $78 at Goodwill is probably overrated. Totally. That’s it, right? If it’s like if it’s a big brand or an expensive brand, it’s it’s overrated. And if it’s a small brand or a cheap brand, it’s it’s largely perceived to be underrated. And I look at it, it’s like, man, like, yeah, some of some of the some of the big brand stuff maybe doesn’t stand out if you you really analyze it, but guess what? A lot of the small brand stuff isn’t very good either, right? And there are, right? There are tradeoffs that come with lower price point. Nobody wants to acknowledge that. So, yeah, corners have to get cut. It’s not, you know, it’s I I I just roll my my eyes every time I go, “Oh, it’s it’s only cost X because they they paid Torros.” Like if they didn’t pay Torros, I’m like, “Do you understand how small that portion of the budget is?” Do you understand? Like, you know, like you look at like some of these small brands, you go, “Oh, you know, whoever pick a brand, oh, they’d be less expensive. They only cost so much because they pay tour pros.” And I’m like, “Well, yeah, there there is an expense with that for sure.” But you know what? You know why some of these small brands are so cheap? Because they don’t pay R&D. Like they have no in-house R&D. So I’m like, “Come on, guys.” Yeah. Yeah. It’d be hilarious, right? Say, “Hey, Prov1’s, what are they, you know, $55 a dozen?” And they say, “Hey, you know, it’s been a tough economy. We understand that. And so next year, we’re going to eliminate from every dozen that we sell cost attributable to prosponsorships and and endorsements. They will now cost $54.25. You know, I’m not saying that’s what the number would be, but I I don’t think it’d be far off. It doesn’t turn it doesn’t turn a 50 $55 golf ball into a $40 golf ball. And I know like again, we love we love the MaxFly product. Yes. It’s a great product. Again, that factory in my opinion right now subject to change as we see what you know 2026 models look like. Mhm. Second only to Titus. But if you don’t think that Maxfly is paying Ben Griffin big-time money, I would wager probably as a as a line item dollar for dollar more than Titus pays any single player to use their golf ball. Probably say the same thing for Lexi. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, let’s, you know, let’s just be level-headed about it, right? Right. So that’s all right. Anyway, what’s next? Marshmallows. I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, Tony. You and nobody else. Me and nobody else. It is hot cocoa season. I guess it is. Well, that’s kind of what I’m saying is we’re getting toward that time of where marshmallows find its way into a lot of things. Marshmallows find, you know, into Thanksgiving because if you got sweet potato stuff and you don’t got like the marshmallow on, ain’t happening. You got to have it. Cocoa, etc. So, marshmallow rating scale of softness. This is for forged irons. Okay. So, people, well, how soft is that? And so, yeah, people are going to disagree with this and they’re going to have their own take. Absolutely. So, a couple caveats before we get started. Number one, there are many things that impact how a club feels. We’re going to kind of call setters parabus on that and hold all those things constant. So that would be things like the softness of the metal, geometry of the design, mass properties, assuming that you have the right shaft, the ball that you’re using, where you hit it on the face. Yes, all those things can impact the overall feel of a design. We also know that feel is inherently sound, right? So feel is what is translated to you at impact via vibrations, right? And the the frequency at which those vibrations hit and the duration of that frequency, right? So basically what’s the vibration like? How long does it last? And and what level, right, does that frequency hit? Does that seem seem fair? That seems about right. Okay. So, from softest to firmst. And here’s going to be kind of kind of my scale. Now, again, why it’s the marshmallow scale is because all marshmallows are inherently soft. I don’t know. You leave that bag open for a few months. Yeah. I mean, we’re not talking like snicker doodle. Talking fresh out of the bag. Talking fresh out of the bag. you know, maybe, you know, maybe you roast the marshmallow and it gets a little crusty on the outside, but still inherently it’s a marshmallow. So, like people want to talk about clubs that don’t feel great. Typically, you know, clubs that don’t feel great, they tend to have higher pitches. They tend to feel hollow. They don’t feel solid. And even when struck solidly, they tend to feel loud is a term that I hear sometimes. They’re kind of loud and pingy. Not pingy like the brand, but like ping, you know, like not like the putter. Not like the putter. Exactly. So putter went 1 to five. I’m sorry. 1 to 10. dead. Middle of the road is K Y O E I KI. So again, for our Japanese faithful out there, a lot of different We don’t see a lot of those here on on retail shelves. No, we don’t. And and you’re not going to see a lot of like main US kind of brands on my list here. Well, you’ll see that they’re like in the 8 910 area. Uh, but middle of the road. Here’s a brand made there. I don’t know if you can see that. Makino. Okay. Okay. I’m just making these up. Yep. Mino. Mak. Yeah. Very middle of the road. I I I find it to be kind of the most balanced forging house, meaning I have not heard of that brand. Yeah, it’s it’s exceptional. Um, uh, Showi Numera GDM stuff. Yeah, Shohei, uh, is is the the man behind it. There’s also another brand, NRG. It’s kind of this I’m calling it like a NeoJDM brand kind of like what’s the next wave of these brands that we’ve heard of forever, right? You have, you know, your Mayora and Endo stuff and and Fujimoto and even Mazuno to a degree and their their relationship with Chuo, etc. But like those kind of old school hardcore JDM brands, they’ve been around for a long time, relatively speaking. Um, on the other side, you have like, okay, what’s going to eventually replace those? And that’s a brand that I would put in there, Makino. Uh, like I said, it’s dead middle of the road for me. Like, it’s a very easy reference point for this type of field discussion cuz it is solid. It is balanced. It feels great. It’s just like you open up the bag, pop the marshmallow. Perfect. Nothing to say. Oh, that was too soft. Like Goldilocks dead metal luck. Just Just fine. Just fine. Wonderful. We’re going to go a step firmer. Okay. And again, this isn’t bad firm. It’s and and in fact the next one that I’m going to list is one of the most popular irons both in the US and and across the world and that’s anything that’s kind of made at endo. So here’s a here’s a brand that we’re familiar with is Protoconcept Concept knew that one. Know that one. I know where you’re going next. So I know where you’re going next. Frickon. Frickon. Okay. Brands that are made uh in general these are forgings, right? done at um at Endo um Epon Ep is the house brand there. And to me, these tend to feel just one just a hair firmer than the middle of the road QA stuff. Do they feel fant? Yeah, absolutely. These all feel fantastic. They’re all subjective. So, you have that. Beyond that, I don’t have any in hand here. Miraa. Um, biggest difference with Myer that some people kind of note is what they call a spin welded hoszle, right? Where most irons are forged one piece, head and neck all together, right? Mera does it separately. They take the hoszle part that’s forged separately and then it’s spin welded two pieces welded into the head. They say they do it for spec tolerance uh reasons. Some people say, “Well, why would you interrupt the grain strip?” Exactly. The grain flow forging. That’s our Mazuno people. Um, but in terms of how something feels, right, and how those vibrations move throughout the club head, etc. You introduce a break, right? They’re at the hoszle by by doing that. I still think mayor feel very very good. They feel fantastic. Um, I just put them kind of there. Then we get to kind of kind of this 8 n 10 area. And this is where I’m going to put brands like Titalist, Tailor Made, Callaway, like the new X Forge stuff. Super super good. Really soft. A lot of these are forged in places that aren’t Japan. Okay. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing because what you’ve seen, secret undisclosed locations. Exactly. A lot. It’s interesting like sometimes they won’t tell us where they’re actually forged. Um, but the reality is in a factory in a factory downtown. The reality is forging’s gotten a lot better in mainland China, Thailand for sure. Taiwan, absolutely. Um, it’s gotten a lot better. It used to be the case if it wasn’t like that old Mike Meyers sketch, you know, if it’s not Scottish, it’s crap. Um, it was kind of like that, right? Like if it wasn’t forged in Japan, it was like significant step down. We remember when Hanma tried to pull that little trick on us. Everything is forged in Japan except when it isn’t. Exactly. And so it’s like really anyway um forging’s gotten a lot better, like I said, in a lot of these areas. So much so that I said Titalist and others, right? particularly when you’re dealing with multiaterial designs, when you’re dealing with things like tungsten, you’re dealing with, you know, opportunities to introduce other metals, maybe it’s a different face technology, whatever the case is. Absolutely. We’re going to put those in there. But now, when we get to the softest of the soft, uh, let’s see, what do we got here? All right, here’s the S3. Ben Griffin, right? We said Ben. This is a again basically the JPX Tour footprint but in an MP packaging. Where did I put this one? Oh, I’m putting this Yeah. Like this is like one and two. I mean it doesn’t get um to me more marshmallowy. This is like marshmallow ooey gooey like you I mean the only Yeah. The only thing that may be more marshmallow is like old school Mazuno with the copper underlay. So like the Tommy, right? Like the TN87s, right? Maybe uh maybe. But this would be a close second. All right. Then we have Fujioto. And they say, “I thought we were going to be stuck in a mazuno museum here.” Oh, we might. We’re coming back. Um, Fujioto, this is definitely like a two to three. These things are just butter. I mean, just super soft. I again, you mentioned geometry, right? And these are, you know, like I mean, look at that. These are not big ass hollow body. No field. It’s just I’m not saying you’re going to hit this club particularly far, but if you do center it up, my lord, it’s uh for them, I think it has to do with the annealing pro, right? It’s not just how hot you get the metal like when you forge it. It’s about how you cool it, right? Because if you cool it super fast, you can get things that are very durable and sharp like swords. But if you cool it in a certain way over time, say like 72 hours, it can give you kind of a different a different sense, right? Okay. Clank clank. Clank clank. Takumi. All right. Now, you’re just making these up. I am. I’m totally making them. But this is another Kioi one. So, that was kind of a good example. Uh, middle of the road Tacumi. Put that one over here. Um, what do we got next? This is like everybody who like this is I was just going to say today in brands you’ve never heard of, but then you go back to Mazuna. So, yeah. So, these are the 221s. Um, again, this is kind of in that 23 range. You’re going, “Well, what’s what’s 34?” Still got the plastic on those. You’re like, I still haven’t t these are the limited edition blue ones. I’ve not taken the plastic off yet. Nope. Not a chance. Um, all right. What’s next? Oh, well this was yeah this was going to be that example that was the stricks ZXI7. So again endoorgging but people are going to ask what’s a two, what’s a three? What’s a four? Get ready for what Mazuno is coming out with which this like S1. Where’s that one? Oh yeah, there it is. I mean this thing is just dirty. The knife is as soft as the butter. Oh. Oh. But here’s the thing. It’s a hair firmer than like the S3. This is what we’re being told. So, this is going to be an interesting thing to watch with Mizuno with stuff coming out next year. I mean, we’ve already seen, you know, M13, M15 on the Japanese sites because they’re out in every part of the world except the US um and maybe Europe for that matter. But they, if I’m correct here, I believe they addressed some feedback from tour players basically saying they wanted something that felt and and firmer maybe isn’t the right word, but a different sensation at impact that wasn’t quite as soft, which they wanted that one week old marshmallow. Yes. It Yes. So that’s your three four soft but with a little bit of a crust. Exactly. And so that’s going to be them today. That’s going to be them moving forward. So just to recap, old school marshmallow. Old school super ooey gooey Mazuno original copper underlay. Love it. Right. Then maybe Mazuno without the copper underlay. Coming back to the copper underlay. Fujimoto. Neo Mazuno. this like S1 Kio right there smack dab in the middle like Makino you got some of that endo forging Mura then we get a bunch of our US brands that are kind of made in other places and then away we go so I figured what a great time of year to discuss that because that’s maybe you disagree you tell me maybe they’re maybe I’m way off I mean who knows I don’t know. Last question. How much do you care about dress codes? Very little. Very little. Again. Okay. If the course has a dress code and you don’t like it, don’t play there. Yeah. Yeah. Some of it’s over the top. The don’t change your shoes in the parking lot thing is stupid, but look. Yeah. If if you don’t like the rules, don’t go. Yeah. Easy. Yep. Easy. I think I think it gets way overblown is what I think. I think it’s a overblown topic. I think, like I said, if you don’t like the dress, go to the place. Don’t go. If you don’t want to join there, go somewhere else. There’s always some place you can play golf and wear whatever you want. Awesome. Love it. We had a the owner of our course earlier this year found a outside player playing without his shirt on. It’s completely topless cuz he got hot. So, you know, like Yeah. I feel like there needs to be a little bit of a dress code everywhere. That’s that’s my example. I mean, right? Wasn’t that kind of the old the old thing? No shirt, no shoes, no service, you know? I mean, there you can have some bare minimums, I guess. But also like it I think there’s another thing of just kind of like situational awareness where it’s like you’re going to a friend’s wedding at a traditional very Orthodox Catholic church. Do you show up in swimsuit, flip-flop, and a tank top? Say Bermuda shorts and a tank top. Probably not. Yeah, probably not. But do you can do you complain to the church that it has like this is ridiculous. I want to wear flip flops. Yeah. I mean if you know you go to court and you know in front of a judge for whatever reason like is that the opportunity that you’re going to take to to say no it’s a free and equal society. I’ll dress however I want. Probably not. So I don’t know. I I think gets overblown a little bit. It doesn’t doesn’t bother me a whole lot one way or another. I really don’t care what people wear when they play golf. You want to dress up, do that, great. You don’t? Great. It it really does not impact me. Uh not a thing I care about. No, not a thing I care about a whole lot. Um what else, Tony? I feel like that’s that’s a lot. Anything you’re interested in? Anything else in the world you care about? Not this week. Where’d you get that hat? This is from Boston Scally. Get on. That’s We’re gonna That’s for your boy Aiman Lynch. Next week we have a guy on Tyler. Got a guy for Links Golf. Uh we’re going to talk a little bit about golf gloves. Then we’ll get to some other stuff. So anyway, till next time, we out.