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Today we found that ball position was having a huge knock-on effect on the goal swing of exton and Sheffield United legend Phil Jagielka. We made one tweak to his ball position and we started seeing the golf club travel more from the inside getting in that slot. I’ll be honest with you, without doubt, this is the most effective iron technique today. That’s unreal. How good was that? I’ve never I’ve never had shots that side. Just showing off now, aren’t you? Well, you’re showing off. You’re doing the telling what to do. So, please, please make sure you check your ball position. What a golf shot. What a golf shot, Jags. And how’s that feel? Well, I think two pretty decent ones, so I’m obviously top of the world at the moment. But this is crazy the difference in this. That’s different class. So, I’m I’m literally foot lower down, aren’t I? Yeah. The worst thing you could do, you’re going to hit it worse. Look how you release this. Your eye goal swing technique cuz you can see how important these tweaks are for his golf swing. And I know it’s going to be the same for you, too. Right, Jags? Let’s have a look at this here. We’re going to have a look at predominantly down swing gear cuz actually look where we get to impact from face on. I really like that. It’s not bad, is it? Not bad guess work. Great. No, this is where it goes a little bit off plan. So setup’s okay and the thingy just a bit in between. Yeah, it’s just that little bit in between, which I think if you look at it this way, that’s why you can hit some great shots, but why sometimes you throw some random ones in there. Now, the first thing I’d start off here is just a little tweak of setup. If you look at your arms here, I can just about see your left forearm peeking through. So, if you think of this, right, if I exaggerated that, if I move here, what’s that going to make my swing work a little bit more? Yeah, I get that in this direction. We’ll get the hula hoop part in a dying for me to use this. Now, back swing wise, I’m really, really happy with this. Like, the club face is strong, which we want in a seven iron shot. We want it matching spine. So, exactly where we’ve got it. As we get to the top, lovely position, nice and square, nice and strong. It’s this bit here. I’m not enjoying this look. And I know you don’t like looking at this, but this is a really important phase of the swing for us to improve. So, how I describe it is, and you used a swing thought before, that you just feel like everything turns out the way. Yeah. Right. And I like that. But what we got to understand is the lower half turns, the upper half turns, and the arms have got to work more down than out. And this is the whole thing with the golf swing. So, at the minute, we’ve got this relationship where it’s here, turn hard out because you got great hand eye coordination, great sports when you make that contact. We’ve got to understand that I still want this to move, but we’ve got to have the arms work more here first and then it comes through. So, for me, all this is, it’s not you’re trying to hit from the inside. Still going to hear and probably fade it a little bit. We’re just slightly tweaking the sequence. So, it’s not positional, it’s more feeling based. Good luck. Now, this is something that you said in the past that you’ve really struggled with, right? Yeah, I’ve I’ve looked at trying to do this probably more with a driver, you know, again, getting it into the slot, whatever you want to call it, getting down and belly, I’m I must look like a fool on the driving range of coming down in also. So, I’ve not particularly managed to tried it with my my irions so much. Okay. So, I’m intrigued. Yeah. Well, obviously you got hula hoops, so I’m intrigued, but I’m intrigued to see what we do here. That’s what you need to do. But just to explain that again and for everybody watching, if you sort of separated, imagine, imagine, okay, I’ve got different colors on today. This be section one, this be section two, my arm section three at the minute, as you get through a beautiful position at the top, one, two, and three all move at the same rate. Yeah. Whereas we want to have it sort of work more this way. Now, in reality, yes, this move first and then this move cuz if you want to be powerful, this is how you’d be. But we’ve got to sort of think about it a slightly different way in order to get the sequence we want. So, I’m going to give you a few feelings before we hit a shot. So, address this ball for me. And this is really important. Like to hit from the inside. A lot of the time if you got a good position at the top, it tends to just be a sequencing issue rather than having to be positional. So, in the past, would it be fair to say that you probably stood here and gone Yeah. like this. Oh, yeah. As as if I’m having a great round, I’ll just aim more left and cut it cut it more left to right. That’s just the way I get around the golf course. And there is still merit in that. So, if you do have a bad day, which you still might do that, I don’t say not saying go away from that. We’re looking to move your bike wheel from being eight degrees left what it was on those first few shots to just tilting it to let’s say two or three and maybe it turns into a bit of a draw but that’s quite a long way off I would say right now I’m maybe a bit hopeful. Um okay so address that ball for me. Let’s start by if I was looking down the line I want to see this forearm hidden this one. Okay so okay got you. So I’d normally be like that. You want it there just that. So if you think about that now what’s that done to your shoulders? You’ve gone from here. Okay. Yeah. To here. So, I feel that’s square, but it’s obviously not, is it? No. That where your shoulders left. Yeah. Oh, now they’re getting battered by a ball there. It is. Okay. At least he shot it for. So, there. And then just Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Now, there’s a little phase we didn’t mention, but there’s a good reason for this. So, if you look where your ball is, would you say your ball’s quite far forward in your stance? Yes. Yeah. So, if I said to you, the further forward my ball goes, let’s put three balls here. One. Yeah. Two. Three. Now, the further forward I put my ball in my stance, I wonder where I swing more. Where would I swing? A bit more to the left of target. So, if I had this is our target. Yeah. And we said, the further forward our ball goes in our stance, the more likely, and this is why I think you’ve crept it forward because it suits your swing. The more likely swing to left. The further I put on my back foot, the more likely I am to be a little bit more into out. Okay, just how the swing works. Now, the middle in theory, this is based on a theory, you’d be quite neutral. So, we’re going to hit some shots now to start with where we’re just going to hit three shots and putting the ball a bit further back and getting the forearms to be here. And then we’re going to look at this feeling on the way down. Okay. But this is the first phase. We’ve got to make sure everything sort of matches. So when you were looking at me, if I look at just a sense now, you were saying what I was inside middle forward and middle. I I would say you’re about here with you’d want me where? About here. So you still want me just forward and middle? Just forward and middle. Okay. Okay. And how that feels with me? So I Well, that’s going to feel like it’s on your back foot to you. No. No. So what were you saying that is now? That’s still too far forward. Is that okay? Okay. Now that’s better. That feels to me now. Middle. Really middle. So if you look there’s middle and it’s just the head, isn’t it? If you extended that up. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just the head. So obviously it’s perspective of where where I see. Yeah. So my thought process again when we is get it into the middle. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Rather Okay. Okay. So if you just think nice and simple, the first protocol is forearms and middle stance. And the best way to do on the course, right? Yeah. Is just go even and build this way. It’s cuz you I don’t want any one of those guys. Tell all the guys that do that and start waggling. So it’s not cool, is it? But okay, but it’s all about routine and all sorts. So I get to be fair, no one’s going to be looking at the feet. Okay. So you’ll see me dancing. Yeah. Nice. That’s it. Okay. And it will feel Does it feel quite far back to you? It feels like I’m playing it slightly off the back foot. Feels like I’d feel probably with a with a n iron. Okay. Does that make sense? My n iron should probably feel like Well, this is the thing. So this is something I would adopt for every single club in your bag. It just goes all a little bit further back in the stance. Okay. Okay, I just want to hit three away with the forearms there. Yeah, beautiful. That’s a better position. Good. Okay. Interesting. Now, where did that ball just start? Uh, what’ you say? Probably down the line of the thing. Okay. So, before what did I say your club path was? Minus 8 – 7 point thingy. Just by making the ball in a different position. Yeah. It was only three left. Okay. So, that’s what Okay, now we’re in a different realm. Our face was a bit too open. I felt I didn’t feel like I felt like I didn’t really go out that way. I felt like I was a bit gentle, like a bit of a bit of a feel like a You were 5 miles an hour slower. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, that’s exactly what I was trying to say. But but what did that feel like in terms of where where the club was delivered? Did it feel like it was any different? Not really. I just felt again what I’ve been used to obviously when I set up for a shot. So if I’m looking down obviously all said the flag is along the big tree. Yeah. Yeah. Naturally, I will feel comfortable aiming 10 yards left of target because I’m expected to drift in. So, when I’m when I’m probably lining up better, Yeah. it’s it’s sort of it’s something I need to get used to. Does that make sense? So, I’m playing for 10 10° or 8°. Yes. Whereas I need once I get used to being okay with doing 3°, I’ll feel comfortable doing it. Does that sort of make sense? I slowed myself down or did something else along the way. So, how I’d do this on the golf course to start with, obviously, we’re going to talk about one more thing in the start of that sequence, but I I wouldn’t I’m not saying to you don’t aim left, but let’s say let’s use a random number. Let’s say you’re aiming 15 yards left. Let’s aim 10 now. And then when you start to get better at 10, you aim eight. I think I just need to feel comfortable. At the moment, my my safety net on my comfort blanket is 15 10 yards because it turns 20 30 yards and you get to drive them. Yeah. Well, yeah. the longer club, which is not where we want to be. Right. So, actually hit this one this time. Good. That that’s where I want your ball position to be. Really good. Forearms. Let me just check. So, again, if we’re looking down the line, everybody, we’re just making sure you can’t see this forearm. I want it hidden and it will feel like it’s a little bit more this way. Oh, no. That’s right. And go one more for me. That’s probably the the most uncomfortable thing of this for me is Yeah. Just at the moment, but I’ll get to a position. Maybe it’s the back needs. That’s it. Beautiful. Well done. So, I didn’t feel too bad. That’s That’s not moved anything. Beautiful. You swung four left on that one. Okay. So, still left. And I’m not saying you don’t want your swing left cuz you see a fade. It’s about transition in this. So, I’m going to get you take one more shot now, but I want to put the ball even further back. Okay. So, just into Yeah, there you go. And do this yourself. If you’re someone who’s a serial over the top swinger, before you even look at improving the sequence, try middle of the stance, try back of the stance, and then do this next phase. So, I feel now Yeah. If you put a thing on my club, and I feel like I’m hitting so far, right? Well, is aiming a little right. Yeah. which which which for me I won’t say it’s freaking me out but what I’m saying to you is I think that’s why when I get to here you’re then panicking I then go into overload and I think oh and then that’s why I’ve gone left does that sort of make sense 100% it’s like you’re overcompensating cuz it feels so strange and the reason is now I put the ball back in your stance look what your shoulders have done as well you’re here now really it’s only just a bit to the right but to you it feels like this yeah so I want you to as best you can and it’s it’s such a blas thing for me to say, but trust it. Okay? Like I know it’s easier said than done. You’ve hit thousands of shots in the course the other way. Go a bit further back. Go on. There’s a bit more. That’s it. This see it a bit further back. Jesus. Go on. Just trust. I feel like I’m trying to sling a draw here. Okay. Well, interestingly, what we trying to do? We’re trying to swing less left. So, yeah. What a golf shot. What a golf shot, Jags. What a golf shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. And to me, I didn’t I didn’t have to actually go. Just look at these numbers. You just swung 0.2 to the right. You didn’t go after it and you just hit it 189. Yeah. And it was it wasn’t blasted. It was just a nice goal shot. Yeah. But you you ring I was a little bit interesting. You just said to me you didn’t blast it. You didn’t feel like you swung it any harder. That’s your fastest swing speed of the day. Feel it. Maybe just the reaction off anything. Well, it’s because and this is interesting. You say you didn’t feel probably more parts of my body. You just got a better sequence there. You you had the club work more like this. Anytime anybody starts steep, we have to put the brakes on in some direction to get the club to point to target. Yeah, you have to do this. So, you’ve obviously got down the line of the two. So, I don’t think that I don’t think that will look drastically different. No, it probably doesn’t. But we’ll obviously I’m going to get you one more backing stance and then we’ll get a little video. But but cuz because we started a bit if you’d have told me to go that far back in the stance initially Yeah. I’d potentially hold it and not felt comfortable because we’ve done the other ones. Yeah. And they weren’t horrendous. It felt actually I felt quite com as comfortable as it can be. Even though I told you I thought I was It’s like edging your way in, isn’t it? A little bit. Jeez. Well, this is going to be interesting. Right. So, remember I said to you at the start, this is for everybody. It’s not about making your swing look pretty. We’re trying to get rid of that massive pull shot. Right. Wait there. Right. Ready when you are. Just trust it. I didn’t hear it, but that sounded awesome. It’s just It’s not Drew. Well, to be fair, probably just a tiny bit right as far right as left. It was last time. Probably didn’t go after it. Probably as much of the 1.2 left. But I was as d as it sounds, I was I’d be I’d find it easier to control my game with the second version, even though the the first one was a better shot. Does that make sense? Because the first one drew more. If I start drawing, I’m not going to know where to aim on the court. Yeah. Is that but but at the moment in time until until I get the practice and I say that to you that’s just because you’re not used to it right now. So that’s the first phase. And how does that feel? Well, I think two pretty decent ones. So I’m obviously top of the world at the moment. But uh it it doesn’t feel that look how much different it looks. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cuz my club is probably up where my head is, isn’t it, mate? I’m going to get it up here. Difference. Yeah. This is crazy because this is this is why I always start with this because if you can fix something with a setup and shoulder position alignment like you’re a good player, right? You’re a great sportsman, you’re a great golfer. If you just get a few things to start, think of a set of dominoes, right? Now, you had a set of dominoes out. The first two were all right into the back swing. You got them knocking over, but the but the bottom two weren’t knocking themselves over. Whereas now, we’ve got them knocking over. This is crazy. The difference in this. This is unreal. So, if you look at the left side, this is what we’re wanting to see. Club head slightly behind the hands. The club head my elbow’s never been close to my midrift. Now, look at this. This is where you were on the right. Yeah. Yeah. I told you it was never my head, didn’t I? The difference. That’s different class. So, I’m literally in like a foot foot deeper, foot lower down, aren’t I? Yeah. I wouldn’t have said and if I’m sure if you’ shown me that video the even the second one I wouldn’t have said I’ve got it loads into the pocket do you like whereas I imagined in my head I imagine it to be but look how you release this club look just look at the sequence of this more right shoulder right forearm boom and in that that there is pure so what I love is the hips are open the shoulders are square at impact whereas look at everything here everything’s more left the black line on here is a great marker that’s freaking awesome So, do you reckon we could do three on the spin? Let’s try one more. Now, where does that ball for reference everybody watching right now? So, you would said you probably had it before. So, I’d have had it there. I’d have had it there where I’m right. So, I can’t have this on the course. So, I’m not going to cheat. I said one more on there. I’m not confident. Watch me. Watch. Right. I’ve got to try and then we’re going to do one more little thing. It’s basically feeling like it’s off my back foot, which is basically what that feels like. But it’s not. It is slightly towards there. And it is towards the back, but it’s actually nowhere near as back as you think. Go on, trust it again. What a golf shot. What a golf shot. Now, how good’s that hit? That didn’t even I didn’t not that 188 yard. That’s That’s the shot I want, though. As much as you was off to maybe draw, I don’t want that yet. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I might come back 261 say, “Look, I want to start drawing it and get really cocky.” I’ I’d like a neutral or even still like we said before a little bit of a fade because my eyes see that on the golf course. So you still got a slight fade path. 1.4 left. Now if we could just do 1.4 not 8.4. There a bit of a difference is there. Oh massively. Yeah. But when the camera came on me on myself I’ll just do 8. I’ll just do the 8.4. Exactly. Right. So that’s great. But what I want you to do is and that that’s how I want you to play on the course. I mean look where you’ve hit that. My new clubs need to clean it. So that felt pretty good, right? So now right there, because you’re moving the ball back in the stance, your body’s having to work differently in order to get the ball. So going back to this here, having the ball so a bit further back in our stance. Let’s use our three here. We had having our ball back here. We exaggerate it. Now you can’t move section one, two, and three. The ball, I exactly. So your brain and that’s why we’re seeing quite a drastic difference of where this club is. So I mean what I would say is right now is there’s one one other drill I want you to do and this is just something to do as you warm up. Have a bit of a play with because what I want you to get the idea is that this this action starts to be ingrained to be normal. So you don’t really have to think about it. So the final drill I’ll jump in here. Little bit of demo. No pressure. I’m excited about that shot by the way. That was so good. Oh that’s all right. Yeah. Take it. So, we’re going to hit some shots now where we feel like we close our shoulders to start with, right? And this is just a drill, not something you do on the course, and it’s going to go even further back in our stance, right? We’re going to focus on really trying to sling this. Again, not something to do on the course, but something just to keep hammering this sequence home. Because one thing I always say to people is right now that feels really weird to you and your brain’s going, I’ve got to do something very different. But if we do that for two weeks, it’ll be it’ll be on normal and you’ll start edging it forward and you’ll move this way. So like there’s a really famous story all the top golfers um would stand on the golf course, right? I think Jack Nicholas would be one of them. Let’s say go on the golf course one week he’ll be hooking it. So the next week at the range you stand there and trying to slice it. So he would use it as a way of neutralizing out. So your pattern is always this way. So we’re going to use this as our way of neutralizing it out. So, I’m going to stand here, shoulders closed, ball back. We’re going to focus on little three/4 swings where it’s really trying to get that ball curving like that. Didn’t curve it too much, did I? Really? The wind is going that way. So, I let you off. It would have would have curved. We would have curved more. But can you understand how now I’m exaggerating what is already working for us just in one line for me? So, we saying even further back, even further back. And then we’re going to close those shoulders up even more. And it’s gonna force us to just exaggerate exactly what we did in the first few. Watch your face there. Don’t let that face creep right when you do it on the drill. Okay. Let it point to targets. That’s a really important. Moving the ball back is obvious is going to get our face to point this way. So just feel this a bit closed at a dress. Jesus. Feel like you feel like I’m playing a trick shot around a tree. 100%. But right. Okay. Wait there. Yeah. I need to take a picture of you cuz you feel like you look stupid, don’t you? Well, yeah. That’s nothing new though. But yeah, wait there. Don’t go yet. I honestly feel like I’ve got to hook one around a tree now. That’s what position I feel. But you forever worked everything this way. So look at this. Does that look so stupid? Not particularly now. All right. And it’s m I have to take pictures and show people that because it’s amazing the difference, the feel and the reel. Well done. What a shot. So as much as this is a drill, this this actually helps me as well if I’m behind a tree. 100%. I’ve never had that. I’ve never had the ability to to try and play a low Well, one extreme is the other. Okay. Yeah. You’re just showing off now, aren’t you? Well, you’re showing off. You’re doing the telling what to do. Right. Go on. Just one more like that. And this is not how you play the course. This is you figuring out either a shot. What a shike. I went after that a bit more. Yeah. Do it. Go. One more. Go after it. And that. But can you see? Can you understand now why in the past right if your forearms set like this and your balls forward actually you trying to hit from the slot is the worst thing you could do. You’re going to hit it worse. So, close that face a little more at address. Close it more. Address that face. That’s it. I’ll just trust it. What a golf shot. Holy cow. How good was that? I’ve never I’ve never had shots that side. How good was that shot? M. This is brilliant. I’m going to be rooting for this golf trip. I’m going to be trying to play all sorts of Right. Just play one normal one to finish. But but but your normal now is ball slightly back in your stance. That is unreal though. That last shot there. I could watch that shot tracer all day. What a golf shot, mate. What a golf shot. Well, that that that now that is nice for me because I physically put it exactly down the line I wanted. And what I love is you got back to your slight fade path. Five left. Yeah, but that was that was comfortable. Great. If I was a par three there, I’d have been I wasn’t stood over it thinking where’s this going to go. Yeah. Another distance up. That’s a joke really. That’s a joke. Without Yeah. So, just to show everybody that it’s a 185 79 and look look where it finished straight down that line. That’s unreal. You’re swinging it 3 miles an hour faster without trying. Didn’t Yeah. But that’s just obviously being more economic, isn’t it? Rather than just being in my arms and Exactly. And it was nice. I know you didn’t really want me to take the cane away too early. It was nice. I feel like I have to get that ingrained in me because obviously we can’t take the cane on a course, can I? So my my feedback for everybody here, this is the routine I want you to follow before you go and play the next tournament, right? I want you to start by hitting some in the middle of your stance. Yeah. Then some back of your stance, then some really back in your stance trying to sling it and then when you get on the golf course to the back back to your normal position. So I’m basically hitting a nine iron pitching in my brain. My seven iron ball position is like nearly where previously my nine iron pitching. Does that make sense? Exactly that. Exactly that. When I come to play. I said meet me 50° when I when I come to play. That’s class. That was ace.
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This is hands down the easiest iron golf swing technique
The greatest YouTube golf coach and the greatest Derby goal scorer in the same place at the same time. This will do nicely for the break in play at Sawgrass. Up the Toffees 💙
fabulous
Great lesson. Reminds me a lot of what Danny Maude preaches. Once you understand the arc, it makes sense why we have certain issues and how to adjust. Its crazy how much of a difference ball position front to back has!
This is so easy to understand. I’ve always heard the golf swing is an arc but now it makes complete sense
I watched a video about this by Lee Trevino. Great video Alex.
Another excellent video Alex! Make it easy for all of us weak fade hitters to understand how to change
It did look easy. But this man is a world class athlete.
I went from duck feet to this. Easier for me to get my belt buckle pointing at the target with a balanced finish. Pay attention to this if you struggle with accurate shots that are repeatable.
Super video ❤
👍👍👏👏🥰🥰What a Great lesson! Well done!
185 is my driver Alex 😀
That's easy on the eye and easy to understand great work 👌
Appreciate you and all your videos are amazing keep up the great work!
Great video. Easy to understand and great how you took him on the journey to a draw.
Had jags striking it nearly as good as his volley v Liverpool. Legend
Excellent video.. I tried this and the results were phenomenal with my irons ,especially the pw. Would you recommend doing the same with the driver..? Thanks..
Hi Alex is the ball position the same for 6, 7, 8 and 9 irons and for pitching wedge and sand wedge
Phew. Too long. Too pally. Sorry.
I watched this and started moving the ball back in my stance and my contact has been far, far better with straighter shots. Not every one but it's miles better. Just seen the driver one and I'm going to start with those drills as well.
Great video Alex easy to understand thanks buddy 👍
Do you pull your trail leg back too?
Beautiful lesson!
The guy seems worried about his score still. Im not sure how everyone else is, but if I'm in the middle of a swing change mid season I do not care how my score looks whatsoever. I'm looking for feedback and positive results.
Without doubt, one of the best tuition videos I've seen on here. And you make it easy to understand and also fun.
Brilliant!!!
I recently hit on moving the ball a smidgen back in my iron stance. and I really mean a little bit. Half a ball back(rolling it) and boy did it work.
love the moment when it all comes together and he trusts the process to see the results….
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Wow, I think this is the most relatable golf coaching video I've ever watched. What Phil says about aiming a bit left of target because you know your standard iron shot moves a little left to right in the air is exactly what I do. I would have loved to know if occasionally by doing this the ball doesn't come back and just goes left because I wonder if by a combination of ball position, sometimes you put it a little further back and are still aiming left, and whenever I have done this I've always thought it was a pull, whereas it may actually be the shot I should be hitting.
I grew up starting playing in the late 80s/early 90s long before YouTube was available and I remember as a kid having a paperback Jack Nicklaus book and I think by a combination of this and watching quite a bit of golf on say the BBC that putting the ball further back in the stance for the lower irons especially were more for when drilling low, straight shots that were useful when the wind was into your face (it's funny how probably because of his technology has moved on so much that I'm sure the book said that as you go to clubs with higher and higher loft you open the stance more with each club whereas now it just doesn't seem necessary).
Occasionally I do hit a hook, even more occasionally I hit a baby draw, so it's interesting how the combination of ball position (from the swing arc) and how open or closed the club face is at address has such an impact on the shape of the ball fight. I guess as Phil points out though that until you can consistently hit that shape of ball you would prefer to basically just try to hit the ball straight, or I think as he said a slight fade, but I guess this just means using the ball central in the stance at setup.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned in this video but I think you did imply it but should the ball position be the same for all irons, say 3 to PW? I'm guessing it should because the loft on the club is what's changing the ball flight and thus shot length and by moving the ball position would just affect the shot shape, whether it's a fade or draw (or worse a slice or hook). This game is golf is so simple but so complicated, and so difficult to master even when you know what you need to do!!!