We’re breaking down the most dominant interior defensive linemen in NFL history — from Aaron Donald, Warren Sapp, Mean Joe Greene, Alan Page, Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, and more. This is the ultimate DT Tier List, ranking the legends who changed games from the inside out.
We go beyond just stats — we’re looking at impact, dominance, consistency, and legacy to determine who truly belongs in Tier S. Did Aaron Donald do enough to top the list? Is Warren Sapp still untouchable? Let’s settle it.
🔥 Full breakdown. All eras represented.
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Aaron Donald 9:15
Warren Sapp 18:45
Vince Wilfork 14:20
Haloti Ngata 14:20
Fletcher Cox 24:15
John Randle 20:35
Richard Seymour 1:00:00
Ndamukong Suh 32:25
Chris Jones 28:10
Geno Atkins 37:10
Vita Vea 43:50
DeForest Buckner 51:50
Cameron Heyward 49:25
Bryant Young 1:02:00
Jerome Brown 1:06:00
Gerald McCoy 40:30
Kevin Williams 43:40
Damon Harrison 41:20
Michael Bennett 55:50
Justin Smith 53:20
Casey Hampton 42:45
Cortez Kennedy 1:04:00
La’Roi Glover 1:05:00
Calais Campbell 46:00
Chester McGlockton 1:03:00
Mean Joe Greene 1:50
Bob Lilly 1:50
Dan Hampton 1:50
Merlin Olsen 1:50
Alan Paige 1:50
Randy White 1:50
Steve McMichael 1:50
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Yo yo yo yo yo. What is going on everybody? Welcome to the Max and Juan cast. Max, how you doing today my brother? Doing good one. Hope everyone had a happy 4th of July. Did not play with fireworks. Yeah, we still got all our fingers. Shout out to JP. Jesus Christ. O. But look, like Max said, hope you guys enjoyed your Fourth of July. Um, we’re recording this on a Monday, so we’ve been giving giving these uh tier list out to you guys. All right, we’re finishing up defense. All right, today we’re going to be doing interior defensive linemen. So, we did the edges. We did a lot of tweeners in a sense with some guys, you know, whether they were DTackle or defensive end. These guys, for the most part, are bonafidey dtackles. All right, we try to put them couple couple tweeners, couple of tweeners, but for the most part, these guys are 300 pound plus, I would feel like uh for the most part. And uh we hope you guys are enjoying the series by the numbers of it. You guys are loving it, man. You guys did awesome on the edges. Um yeah, you guys did awesome on the on the safety ones, having some good traction on Tik Tok and Instagram with all the tier list stuff. So, uh we greatly appreciate it. Make sure to subscribe to the channel. Make sure to like this video. Helps out a bunch. Helps our podcast grow and get out there in the YouTube algorithm land. All right, all that good stuff. All right, so let’s go to the tier list. Like we said, we got defensive tackles today. And if you guys are new to the series, what we always do to honor some of the old heads, man, old head goats, we put them in their own tier. And hopefully you guys don’t find it as disrespect. But Max, some are some of the who are some of the names that we have in the old head goat tier for today? We got Mean Joe Green. We have Bob Lily, Dan Hampton, Merlin Olsen, Allan Paige, Randy White, Steve Mcichael. Shout out to him. Made the Hall of Fame this year. Passed away. ALS I believe it was. Shout out to him. Look, man, it’s no disrespect. It’s It’s not It’s just tough one, right? like yeah, you know, when you’re when you’re Allen Page and you’re dominating in the 1950s, 19, sorry, 1960s, you know, early ‘7s, it’s just a different ball game. There’s it’s no disrespect. Um, if shout out like guys like Bill Russell, it’s a different era, right? You know, guys shooting underhand and there’s 10 teams in the league and I think a couple of those guys played when it wasn’t even an NFL. It was NFC in the AFC and it wasn’t even like a thing. AFL, excuse me. Yeah. And just, you know, I would say this, I would say this, the most impactful guy that I know, uh, is Mean Joe Green. He has one of the best nicknames of all time. Uh, one of the first football players to come out in a commercial with his face showing for a football player as far as I can remember as far as like um, just doing like the history of the NFL with what was it? Gatorade or Coke? Hey, mean one, you want my Coke? Yeah, there you go. It was the Coke commercial. Hey kid. And he throws his like jock strap on him and stuff. No, no, sorry. Too soon. No, but uh but no you I agree. I feel like I feel like your dad and my dad like grew up to that. So they were like, “Yo, you you know, like you got like football. This is it.” Yeah. You got to know who who Mean Joe Green is. Um a lot of Steel Curtain guys on on these tier lists, you know, trying our hardest not to disrespect the goats, man. But it’s hard it’s hard to rank them. I feel like we do them a disservice when we ranking them to some of these current current guys, you know, some stats weren’t taken and all that good stuff. So, for for our idea, all we did was put them in a separate tier. It doesn’t mean that they’re bad. Doesn’t mean that they’re horrible or anything like that, but representing them like that. Shout out to the Purple People Eaters. Shout out to the Steel Curtain. Shout out to Merlin Olsen, the 85 Bears. All that good stuff. And shout out Randy White. All right. Now, Max, let’s get into the meat and potatoes of this thing. I’m going to start off with the goat, the actual goat of dtackles. And honestly, the fact that we don’t have Reggie White on here makes it a whole lot better and a whole lot easier. There. There you go again. Look, I’m sounding like a lamb fan, honestly. But look, Aaron mother freaking Donald, man. I mean, I decided to make the executive decision and tell Max, “Hey, we should have our own tier for Aaron Donald because that’s how great this guy was.” Aaron Donald, Super Bowl champion, fourtime defensive player of the year, 2010’s all deck 18, going to be in the Pro Football Pro Football Hall of Fame. Could have could have been the 2020 decades if he hung around. Yeah. Um he didn’t retire because you know he got old, he got fat, didn’t love he just you know what more was left to do. You know he went through a rebuild. He was I think the last player they drafted in the first round the St. Louis Rams or no it was Gurley the year after but you know he went from St. Lewis, you know, I remember watching him one with you like back in those days and we were like, who is this kid? Like he, you know, the big play that sticks out, the first big play that sticks out was the Seahawks that lost a Super Bowl, right? Yeah. The I think it was week one, maybe week two, they give it to Marshon Lson fourth and inches and Aaron Donald just blew it up and they were like, “Oh, see remember, you know what I’m talking about. You know what I’m talking about.” Yeah. And it’s one of those plays that I would say like killed the the Seahawks team. Like that play was just like just hey let’s make it worse. Yeah. Like we already had this horrible thing happened to us and then Aaron Donald just proceeded to tear every team in that division a new a-hole over the next 10 years. Yeah. But it it was unlike anything we’ve seen. He was coming out. You would have said he’s undersized, but he was explosive. He was strong. He had the pass rush moves. And the reason I would agree with you that he’s in his own tier is because he’s changed the game because Ed Oliver doesn’t exist without Aaron Donald. Chris Jones I wouldn’t even say like I feel like he was the first guy and of course Warren Sap won defensive player of the year but Aaron Donald I would say might not be nearly as good a run defender as other guys on this list but as a pass rushing specialist pass rusher player not even close. Who’s next? Like who’s next guy on the tier? And that’s and that’s where I say he changed the game where it was like oh no let’s just have pass rushing d tackles we don’t care about the run anymore and not that he was bad but he’s only 290 he’s not alone who we’re going to talk about or Vince Wolffork but the level of disruption he brought sorry I’m ranting just all day ad all day ad all day look the way that I see it too as far as you know you talked about changing the game I would say just dominance man like When Aaron Donald was playing, which wasn’t too long ago, there wasn’t a conversation on who was the best defensive tackle in the league. It wasn’t close. Like, as good as Chris Jones was at the tail end of Aaron Donald’s career, you know, I can’t even DeForest Buckner had a year in there. Fletcher Cox had Fletcher Cox like my guy, my heart, like but it just wasn’t wasn’t close. It wasn’t close. It was it was never close. And Aaron Donald just had pure dominance every single year he was in the league. I mean he made a first team allp pro every single year. Correct. Or was it he missed his rookie year and then he missed the year after the Super Bowl when he kind of got hurt and he kind the Rams were just trash. Yeah. But he wasn’t bad that year either. Yeah. And then like the next year he retired going out as a first team all pro and I think he was like 32 years old pro bowler every year in the league. Yeah. And it’s one of those guys, it’s one of those guys where you look back and you see that he won that Super Bowl ring. It just brings more more legacy to to his uh career, man, because Aaron Donald was a key reason why they won that. You can argue he could have been the MVP over Cooper Cup. He put the finishing touches on that game as well. Yes. His fingerprints were all over that [ __ ] man. So, shout out to Aaron Donald. uh he’s in his own tier. So, the only guys to be in their own tier so far in this journey on defense was Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, and Aaron Donald. That’s pretty good [ __ ] company right there. So, agree. Let’s put them in the top of the Aaron Donald tier. Yeah, the AD tier, I guess we’ll call it. AD tier. All right, Max, where do you want to go next? I’ll let you I’ll let you take your pick. Let’s start with S. I would put Warren Sap. Let’s go to those Warren Sap again. Like a guy who kind of precurs precursed Aaron Donald. Warren Sap. I mean, you got to see him a little bit when his powers were done when he joined the Raiders. But again, like I tell people, the first Super Bowl I remember watching was the Raiders versus the um Buccaneers 2002. you know, no shots at one, but I just remember hearing stuff about Warren Sap and then, you know, again, we kind of caught him at the tail end like I caught him in 03, 04, 05, but then you go back and I mean, dominant dominant run defender, dominant against the pass, and there’s really not much to be said. He’s on two all decades teams, which is really special. And he was just a disruptive guy. And then he’s in an all-time defense in the 2002 Buccaneers defense, who I might say he might be what, the second best player on that defense after Derrick Brooks, but he was already, you know, seven years into the league. Yeah. No, Warren Warren Sap was dominant, man. He was he was uh he was an ass kicker, bro. It’s crazy that he slid in the draft. And technically even like speaking going down to number 12 is not even that much of a slide. But if you consider the prospect that he was back in the days with the Hurricanes, you know, it was a it was a off the field. Yeah. It was a major it was a major slide in his eyes because Warren Sap was an absolute monster in college and he proved to be a monster in in in the NFL. You talk about the Tampa Bay days. I think it’s a whole another level when he was on the Buccaneers. I I saw him on the Raiders. He had some good moments. He was a good player, but he wasn’t the force that he was in Tampa Bay. You know, his weight became an issue. His attitude became an issue. You know, the money got to his head, I feel like, to a certain point. And then part of that was the losing. Like, he just couldn’t handle the losing. Yeah. And I I would say this, he’s not really a defense. You don’t want to play him as like a three technique. He’s more of like um not a three technique. Uh yeah. He’s not a nose, right? We want to play him as a three technique, but even in a 341, I’m not like, this isn’t where he shines. Like, we want to play him in a 4-3. We want to just put him over a guard and let him be disruptive. We don’t want to really let him, you know, hold a guy up like they do in Alabama or with the Patriots, even though he could do it, right? He could do that’s what he did for the Raiders a lot. Yeah. But he’s a disruptive guy and he was super athletic and then, you know, when the athleticism goes a little bit, the player goes. But I would never say he was bad. Even with the Raiders, he was good. He just wasn’t dominant, right? He wasn’t special. Yeah. When you talk about his Tampa Bay days, the what I remember is honestly the twitchy hands, the twitchy first step. Like, yeah, he was a big guy, but Warren Sap can move for his size. And that was the thing. You could you never really seen a big guy like that move that fast. And that’s why it was such a luxury to have him as a pass rusher for a guy that big. I mean, you talk about it, 90 plus sacks as a 300 plus dude and you’re still elite in the run game. Yeah. And that’s why I say and that’s why I say he’s a little different than Donald cuz when he played running the ball was so much more prevalent than it is today where he had to be greater against run where Aaron Don could just be good, right? But that but this is where we start splitting straws. There’s no one better against the past than AD. There might be no one better against both than Warren Sap in his prime. He was that special. Yeah. And and one thing I think we’ll talk about as we get like along further, there’s all different types of defensive tackles, right? Aaron Donald and Warren Sap were what? One disruptive guys. You put them over a guard, but they can’t play like a hello nada or a Damon Harrison, right? Where you just line them up over the center and you say, “Oh, hey, um, just get blocked by two people all game.” Right. Yeah. And and that’s just something I wanted to make a distinct, you know, like Warren Tap’s a three tech, not a zero tech, not really a five tech, but sorry, continue. I just wanted to No, absolutely. And you know, he he’s guys that the unsung hero for guys like Simeon Rice. We talked about Simeon Rice and the edges. Like this is why edges were eating off of guys like Aaron Donald and Warren Sap because they had that ability just to cause so much disruption. How many defensive edges did the Rams get who were kind of not the best in the world, you’d say? But then they got the Von Miller fell off a cliff after he played with Aaron Donald. Leonard Floyd was nowhere near as good as he was off the Rams without Donald. Yeah. So that matters. Yeah, that really matters 100%. All right, so when it comes to the tier, easy S tier guy for Warren Sap. I would agree. I would agree. Yeah, let’s put Warren Sap into the S tier, folks. All right, let’s move on. Are you going to be okay putting a nose tackle as an S tier? We shall see. Who you thinking? I I think we should hit and Vince cuz I think these are the two premier nose tackles for our generation. Yeah. So, let’s talk about Hodata. Held Natada won Super Bowl, two time first team allp pro, three time second team. He has five Pro Bowls. That’s it. That’s all Heldon has. Which is absolutely insane because the impact that he had was absolutely ridiculous, bro. 32 and a half sacks, seven force foss. You look at the stats, it’s like, uh, he didn’t do much. But I’m telling you right now, you look back at those Baltimore teams and he was a force. He was one of the guys. He was, I would argue he was the big three. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, hello to Natada. All three levels. I I put I put T Sizzle in there, but I I did forget about T Sizzle, but I I would say this though. I would say this. Natada’s job was the least thankful, least glamorous. It was literally be a big pain. Why did they have the best run defense every year he was there? It seemed like, right? Yeah. And same thing with Vince Wolf. These guys will never do anything close to get stats. It’s like playing lineman. It’s like the biggest stat is like no stat in a sense. Like how many big games did Held Nada have in the playoffs, Juan? Probably not that many. But what was his impact? Especially against Look at the Super Bowl against the Niners. He was so big in that game. He just destroyed the interior line. He just was immovable his whole career with the Ravens. And how do you quantify that into an S tier eighth tier? because in my heart I know he was an S tier for what he was asked to do. Now is he now would I take Warren Sap over him? Yeah, I would because Warren Sap was just more disruptive because I don’t think Hello could def necessarily be disruptive like a Warren Sap. But for what he was asked to do in the system like if I’m like hey we’re playing a 34 who’s a noseguard you’re like damn hello. Yeah Vince Wolf. Yeah. So this is where it gets really tricky. Yeah, it is tricky. But look, I think the perfect title for this video would probably be Unsung Heroes because we’re going to talk about multiple of these guys of like you said, doesn’t get all the shine, doesn’t get all the accolades, doesn’t get all the stats. It was just like it’s like a good corner. It’s like a good corner. Yeah. Yeah. But in a sense, if if you had to say something negative, it was just that they were a one-trick pony. I think that’s where it came into play. the guys like Aaron Donald, the guys like Warren Sat, what made them so special is that they can do both. It was like, hey, I can do what Helina is doing and I can do what a Lawrence Taylor, a Reggie White can do, which is rush the passer. Does that make him any different? No. But when you’re talking about tiers, Max, I think it’s only right to say that I don’t see as a S tier guy. I definitely see him as an A tier guy. I feel like a lot of these defensive tackles that eat up space, nose tackles, zeros, they’re all a guys because they did their job to the best of their abilities. It was just in a sense was one of those guys that can stay on the field on third down sometimes, but for the most part, he was a two down player for the most part. I I I would agree. You know, it’s tough because in my heart like they’re so valuable. You know, it’s so valuable to have a guy like this. And the only thing I would say is I wouldn’t necessarily say a Aaron Donald could do a held on his job. But the thing is I would tr I would have more faith in Aaron Donald being like Helada than I would Helada being like Donald, right? 100%. That and that’s where I would I I’d agree with you with a um going to Wolfford. I think a lot of it is the same. Again, Vince Wolffork is just like criminally underrated, you know? I feel like he kind of caught on late, one like remember when he started getting like interceptions, then it was like, “Oh, he’s he’s a big guy. He’s funny.” Yeah, dude. He was a part of like four Super Bowl teams and he was such a giant part of their defense. Like unblockable. They always had good linebackers and some of them we know were scheme. Jamie Collins won. How was he really that good or was it kind of like damn you’re playing behind a stack defensive front and Vince Wolf again two Super Bowls, five all pros, five Pro Bowls? I’m I’d happily put him in a cuz I think he was such a pain in the ass to deal with for a lot of teams. And I’ll say this one thing about these two guys specifically, it made it made you played one-dimensional almost that they were that good where they could shut down the run game. Yes, it was that special. Yeah, they were double team eaters. They are unsung heroes, man. The stats are never going to say the impact of these guys. And I would say this honestly, me and Max are probably going to miss some guys who were like this in the 80s and the 90s because we weren’t watching football as close. For the most part, me and Max are going to get the 2000 and the 2010 guys, but this has been going on in football. These guys are unsung heroes. They don’t get the sacks. They don’t get a crazy amount of tackles. They let everyone else eat. They’re they’re just offensive linemen eaters, double team eaters. That’s it. That’s their job. And some of these guys were the all-time greats of doing it. And Vince Wilfork, just like um just like Hodinatada, one of the best to freaking do it, man. One of the best. And and people, just to add one more point, people started looking for these guys. Like the Eagles drafted Jordan Davis a couple years ago, a few years ago. If these two guys aren’t what they were, like nobody’s after these guys, right? It’s like why even have them? But they still matter, you know? Think about the great Niners defense. They had Isaac Supa. These guys matter and they’re never going to get the credit. Yeah, 100%. All right, let’s go to Where do you want to go, Max? You want to go John Randall? Let’s go. Let’s go John Randall. I feel like he gets uh mixed up into this S tier potentially. So, let’s talk about it. Let’s debate over about it. John Randall, 73 legend score, 90s all decade team, part of the 100th year anniversary team, Pro Football Hall of Fame. man. He has six allp pros, all of them first teams, seventime pro bowler. Some of John Randle’s stats. He has 137 and a half sacks, 29 force fumbles, 40 TFLs, and 556 tackles. TFLs were not tracked until 1999, guys. Yeah. Yeah. So, this guy was undrafted. Max paid. Well, again, a little bit like Donald, undersized, super explosive. Think about the NFL. Now, the size is never an issue really, right? One like it’s now it’s like, okay, undersized, he can be Donald. Now, those guys are are devalued. Now, if you can’t do both, you’re you’re in a sense like depending on what team you go to and what scheme they run, you’re kind of a zero in a sense. like, hey, we don’t need those guys. I would say this thankfully because of the Baltimore Ravens, you know, you got to come you got to come to play and you know, even the LA Chargers to a certain point of last year, you need these big big mfers to stop the run. So, the NFL is changing in a sense in that way, but for a good little period there, me and Max, we have been doing the draft prospects for about five years now. And every single year, there’s a guy that comes out of college that’s big as hell. And me and Max are like, “This guy can stop the run.” I tell you that much. He can’t He can’t rush the passer, but he’s going to eat up double teams like crazy. And it’s like, what is he projected? Fifth round, sixth round, right? That’s what usually happens. But a guy like John Randall, it was the opposite. John Randall back in the day, if you weren’t a 300 plus guy, big as hell, eating up double teams, you were going to go undrafted because you’re like, “Dude, you’re too you’re way too skinny. you’re way too short to be playing this position. What are you going to do? And John Randall to a sense was kind of like Aaron Donald where it was diamond in the rough, a guy that can handle stopping the run and was hella hella good at pass rushing. Dude, he has over 100 sacks for a defensive tackle. That’s insane. Almost 151. Almost 150. That’s crazy. It’s not like, oh, he got 102. He got 137 of those things. Yeah. So John Randall, you know, I remember him just, you know, again, I caught him at the end, you know, as a like a 5-year-old, six-year-old, but going back to watch, talked crap, regulators, you know, just screaming wild, man. But man, he kicked butt. He absolutely kicked butt. I am happy to put him in S tier and I believe he deserves a one. He really does. Yeah, John Randall 100% is an S tier guy. Uh, in a sense, you can say he kind of changed the game. It’s just unfortunate that to change the game in a sense. Here’s the thing. I think the offense dictates the defense of changing the game, right? Yeah. The NFL, even when he played, it wasn’t this pass happy go-lucky league like it is now. Yeah. If John Randall came out right now, he’d be paying $250 million. He’d be Aaron He’d be right up there with Aaron Donald. He might have even had a better career with more opportunities just to rush the passer. Yeah. 100%, man. All right, let’s put John Randall in the S tier. All right, Max, we’re getting down to the list. I’m thinking we should talk your boy. Let’s go three. We’ll start off with Fletcher Cox. All right, Fletcher Cox for the Philadelphia Eagles. Easy. No, I’m sorry. Sorry. My bad. Shout out to my bad. Shout out to Max. So Fletcher Cox, legend score 43, Super Bowl champion, 2010’s all decade team, only a fourtime allpro guy. Three of them were second team, only one first team allpro. He has about He has about six Pro Bowls. Max, where does Fletcher Cox rank as far as the all-time defensive tackles in NFL history? In my heart, he’s above Aaron Donald. In my heart, unfort I love how you put eagle for life. Yeah, Eagle for life. had to had to you know in my heart you know unfortunately this is an exercise with the brain I would like to put him an A but even then I’m kind of just it’s it’s feeling like maybe a little bit of a reach or may like you know do I believe he’s as good as Helina and Vince Wolfark yeah you know he played a little differently right you know he gets drafted by uh I think it was like last year with um oh my god Andy Reed. Yeah. Then you know, Chip Kelly comes in. It’s like, “Hey, we’re switching to a 34.” And it’s like, “Oh, wow. You’re you’re pretty good at 34. Oh, now we’re back in 43 and we’re going to a Super Bowl.” And it’s just this monstrous Dline. I would say this, I put him in a because I believe he was the best player of the year we won the Super Bowl. He was our best player. He wrecked that game. He didn’t have a sack. He didn’t have a lot of TFLs, but he pressured Brady into making some big throws aways and, you know, messing up some plays, just effing the play up. And that’s what I would say for Fletcher Cox. The stats aren’t going to reflect how many plays he just blew up and messed up and someone else got cleaned it up. He was an ultimate just mess it up or f up the play guy, however you want to say it. And I would put him in A. I really would. Yeah. The thing that sucks, the thing that sucks about Fletch is he played in the Aarono era. You know, like we said, Aaron Donaldo dominated this position. It was hard to get first team all pros and just all pros in general. I would say that there was a little three to four year stretch with Fletcher Cox where he was notably the second guy in line where you talk about defensive tackles, it’s like Fletcher Cox, you know, and I would honestly say it was Donald and Fletch and then it became Donald and Chris Jones. Like that’s that’s like tracking like the crown, you know, or like the hierarchy of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. And I’m just gonna I’m going to push back a little bit. Just we can always reorder the list, right? I’m leaning I’m leaning towards more of the B a B tier guy. Um let’s see how the list winds up managing out and maybe we can switch him to that A tier. But I’m leaning towards more of the B tier. I just I don’t think the longevity put him in the top of the B. I’m down with that. I Well, longevity. Come on. Yeah. Longevity of of pure dominance. Pure dominance. Like I said, there was a four-year stretch of that dominance for But for a lot of his career, Max, I would say especially like Andy Reid, Chip Kelly days, Fletch wasn’t that guy yet. Whether it was scheme, whether it was coaching, whether it was team, whatever, he wasn’t that guy yet. It wasn’t until the Eagles got their [ __ ] together. You’re just a hater. You’re just a hater. You’re just a hater. And I gotta be okay with you hating because I All right, put him at the top of B. We’ll rearrange some stuff. Down. Okay, so the next guy I had in line. Let’s go ahead and talk about Chris Jones. Okay, let’s go ahead and lump him up. We’ve been talking about him a lot. He’s a guy that’s playing currently and his career is obviously not over, but man is he he keeps on stacking up to this list, man. It’s not going to be done. He has three Super Bowl champs uh championships. Pretty sure that’s not going to be over. Three time first team all pros, three time second team all pros, six time pro bowler. some of the stats that Chris Jones has. 80 and a half sacks, 13 force fumbles, 103 TFLs, 310 tackles. Luck Max, this guy has the crown. We’re always talking about the crown with these positions. And Chris Jones has had the crown for a good two years now, ever since Aaron Donald has retired. And I would say it hasn’t been close to add. I don’t think there’s a guy that’s close to him right now. Honestly, I would say the year after the Super Bowl, Chris Jones took the crown and he’s had it since. Yeah, I would put him an S or or at the very least top of A. That part of that is a projection for me thinking he’ll have another good two to three years in him. I know he’s getting up there, but they just gave him a boatload of money after two years ago. So, I’m not worried about Chris Jones. A lot of the guys we’ve been playing, we’ve been putting him in like B, but I think he’s an S tier guy one. I I really do. Maybe it’s by maybe if you’re not comfortable doing that because he’s still playing, we put him in A. But I don’t think he’s B. I think that’s too low for Chris Jones. Yeah. Someone brought up in the comments, you know, they they brought up Miles Garrett and TJ Watt. They’re like, “Man, those guys have done way more that of like what Khalil Mack did.” And I said, “Yeah, in a in a sense they have.” No, they have. As far as their accolades go, like those guys have tech. You can argue that they have had better careers already than Khalil Mack. But I would say this part of it is the longevity. We take a everything as a whole in their career. And yes, Chris Jones right now, if his career would to end, he’s an A tier guy at the very least. That’s where he’s going to be. And like Max said, to a certain point, you have to project to the S tier. And I think a big reason why while we pump the brakes is because let’s say Chris Jones does play another four years and he falls off a cliff that that is remembered. That’s like then we look at the tier list and we look at other guys like Fletcher Cox and it’s like Fletch didn’t have a downhill spiral like that in his career. No, I would say the last year of his career was still good, right? But that but that really does count like as long as you’re have that longevity and you just been solid your whole career. Some of these guys they get docked because it’s like oh man that last part of his career like the last three years it was just like he was dunzo and it wasn’t even because of old age. It was just for whatever reason injuries or whatever you know. Yeah. Just natural decline. Yeah. So I would say this. Let’s put him in a cool with that. Yeah. I’m down with A just because let’s stick to our guns as far as how we graded Watt, how we graded Garrett. And if he has three to four more years like this, he’s S tier, right? 100%. 100%. He’s on the S tier. And I will say this trajectory. He’s been gigantic in three Super Bowl wins. Yes. The He has been the best player on their defense for the last six years. in three of those like five Super Bowl runs, he’s been the best player on defense, winning big playoff games. And it it it matters. It does matter. I find it laughable, man, because I would say like two years ago, Chris Jones didn’t have a single sack in the postseason. And now all of a sudden, that that ship has sailed. He’s he he’s dominant in the playoffs, man. He is a big reason why, like Max said, that the the Chiefs have been going on this run is because they have that dominant guy on defense on the defensive line. So, shout out to Chris Jones. We’re going to put him in the A tier. I I will say this. I will say this one little instance. A lot of these guys, with the exception of a few, have played in some excellent defenses, you know, and I think as we as we go through this list, and I think maybe we’ll transition to him if you’re okay with this. I want to talk about a Dominic and Sue because I think it’s a very interesting case of you know you think about his career. He gets to Detroit and he’s dominant but they’re never on a good defense. Right. Right. So it’s it’s never like oh crap we got to worry about Sue and oh wait no you know maybe it’s Nick Fairley for a year but then he goes to Miami one and who is he playing with in Miami? Brett Grimes. That’s it. That’s it. Rashad Jones for a little bit. Yeah. But I think he’s an interesting case cuz in my heart I really don’t know where he belongs in terms of talent. Maybe more than Donald. In terms of physical raw talent, there might not be somebody more blessed than indomin. But in terms of the player, where would you where where would you like just thinking about if I told you close your eyes, where would you put them? Where are you thinking? I’m put them in seats here. I’m going to be completely honest. B or C. And that seems like a little bit of an underwhelming thing, right? This is what I was saying though. This this is what I’m talking about as far as like projecting where the the careers can go either way. If if we’re talking about if we’re doing this list right now and the Domin was in free agency and he was the hot commodity, he was going to go to Miami and we’re doing this in the offseason, he’s an S tier guy, A tier guy, no-brainer, right? Yeah. But I’m saying what if like he had had a chance to play in a good defense. He kind of did and he kind of showed it with Tampa Bay, right? He was on that Super Bowl team if I’m not mistaken. I wouldn’t say he was even near like his Powers days in Detroit. He had his moments though. I would say that he did have his moments. He was a big contributor to that defense, but that was He’s got five pros from 2010 to 2016. There’s a five-year run where he was like the best DT in football. Yes, you could say. So, what separates him? And again, I feel the same way. I’m like thinking B. I think C’s a little low, but what separates Chris Jones from Domin Sue? Like, that’s my thing. And I will say this, he came into the league when it still wasn’t the past half. It was it was on the cusp, but like in my mind, he came in, he was still like an awesome run defender. And he still is an awesome run defender. If I needed someone to go get me like three tackles, I’d be like, “Go get me off the street. I think he could still play.” But what that’s what I’m saying. What’s the difference between this five-year run and a 5-year-old like Fletcher Cox’s? That’s my question. And I’m trying to figure it out because in my heart I’m like, “Yeah, I wouldn’t really say he was all that special, but he played on some bad defenses. So, where do we like as people doing this, where do we draw that line?” Yeah. I think the more that you talk about it, the more that I’m trying to wrap my head around it. Like if you switch, you’re convincing me be right now. If we switch him with Fletcher Cox, does he do the same crap Fletcher Cox did? Oh man, there’s a lot of attitude things with with Sue, though. Part of it was his attitude. You mean he you mean he stomped Aaron Rogers intentional or that guy intent? No, not but I I think I think to a certain point though, Max, I I do think that his attitude and the way that he went about things did the Miami stuffer cuz you heard about some you remember like it was it wasn’t working hard. It was kind of Yeah. No one wants to deal with him because he’s a pain in the ass. I I only brought this up because I think that’s an interesting case as we look further into the names on this list. Like it I mean it’s just weighs what it is. So I’m I’m going to say this. Whatever tier we put like if we put him in B, he’s at the bottom and the B. He’s not at the top. And if we put him in C, he’s at the top of C. I’m leaning B or C. And to me, let’s stick him in B and see where it goes. Okay. I’m down with B. Yeah. No, finish your last point. What were you going to say about C? No, I was just going to say this. Like I think he’s a prime example on why we we don’t we don’t jump the gun on the present guys where it’s like these careers can go any other way. Like yeah, he was really good, but it’s like a lot of that [ __ ] we remember, man. You have to go back and you have to remember like what was Sue looked at as a player and he wasn’t an impactful guy. He was exceptional. Yes, he was dominant. He was on a Hall of Fame trajectory those first years. I would agree. I would agree. So now if we’re good with Sue, this is an like see this is where I I kind of wanted to go this way. What would you think of a Gino Atkins off the top? This is a guy I would have said would be like see but when we got into it I was like so let’s talk about it. Let’s go Gino on a hell of a run. Yeah, let’s go Gino Atkins man. 47 legend score. He has five allp pros, all of them first team. He’s part of the 2010 decade team. He has eight Pro Bowls. Yeah. And don’t forget, he got injured a couple times pretty severely. And I was talking to Juan about this. This is the Aaron Donald before Aaron Donald. This was the undersized guy, pass rushing specialist. And it’s just weird because his career played out in Cincinnati, one, right? And nobody really cares about, you know, they had a few years with Vontes Berfect, but for my money, I’m I’m gonna put Gino Atkins in B, not to jump the gun, like, but like five years stretch, five years stretch after some major injuries. Yeah. I’m I’m even leaning honestly a to a certain point, but since we got Chris Jones in there, it’s hard to put him in there. But man, like you said, when you look back at that little stretch that he had, a lot of people didn’t realize like Gino Atkins was the guy. And part of it was injuries. And this is where the tier list comes in handy where it’s like, yeah, you want to say that everyone’s great. You want to put everyone in S tier because all these guys that we’re talking about to a certain point, they played at an S tier level, but you have to take the whole career into the case. and Gino Atkins as a whole in his career. It’s unfortunate that he had injuries, but it is what it is. And I I’m leaning more the B type guy and it’s no slight to him. I think when you really look back, like a lot of people are not going to remember how dominant Gino Atkins was because of the way that his career kind of ended. It ended it ended on the light side of his of the accolades. It’s it’s crazy. But like five all pros, what the like come on, they’re all first team, bro. That’s insane. Yeah, Gino Atkins won. It was just one of these guys we’ve barely made the series about. I felt like just somebody underrated. Who would have thought five first team all pros and then when you play like a team like Cincinnati that was just kind of a mess and even though they had some good years, I mean, he was one of the driving forces behind those good years. So, I would put him in B for right now. I feel like A’s tough, but yeah, I’ll go with I would go with B. Yeah, I feel like we’re holding a to a very high standard right now as far as like some of the guys we have in there, especially because we put Chris Jones in there. It’s like I I I think there’s another level uh to it. And it sucks because Fletch, Gerald uh Gerald McCoy, we’ll talk about him next, but Nomachinu and Gino Atkins to a certain sense like they’re allaround players. I would say, you know, run and pass, they were they were pretty good. Uh, let’s put Gino though in the B tier for now. Let’s go ahead and switch. Let’s let’s get us some of some of these other guys into place. Let’s go um Gerald McCoy. All right. Gerald McCoy, threetime AllPro, only one first team, two second team. He has a lot of Pro Bowls. He has six six time Pro Bowler. Let’s go to some of drafted right after Sue. That was like a big thing. Yeah. um came back a little bit in 2021 for the Raiders. Didn’t really end up all that well. Ended up getting hurt. 59 and a half sacks, six force fumbles, 86 TFLs, 334 tackles. Look, man, I think this is an easy Dtier guy. I’m just going to be honest. I I think it’s an easy Dtier guy. He was good for a little bit. He had a little hurrah, you know, in his career as far as like, oh [ __ ] Like Jerro McCoy is one of those guys. two-year thing and you know he was really like you know um likable really good guy. I’d put him in D and I’ I’d be happy with him there and I honestly now that we started I kind of want to go through this list and go ahead and just add to the like lower tiers if that’s cool like a little lightning before we get into some of the deeper guys. No, I’m down with that. Let’s go to Damon Harrison Snacks. He really was a like a couple year wonder. You know, he had the one year with the Giants where he was really good and the Giants were really good. This is a Dtier guy. He’s a he’s a nose tackle, but he’s not at the level that like Natada were. He was just a really big body. Would you agree with with Snacks? 100%. I like I said in the beginning of the pod, I was like, there’s there’s going to be a lot of guys that like Damon Harrison that are going to get swept under the rug in this series or in this episode. Like guys in the 80s and the 90s, there were probably a bunch of these guys as far as like snacks goes, you know, these big guys that didn’t really get all the accolades, weren’t on winning teams. But Damon Harrison for me and Max’s time, we remember how dominant he was. He was one of the most dominant nose tackles in the league. When you talk about zero tech, it’s like where do me and you go as far as comparisons. It’s like, oh, this guy’s snacks, this guy’s pot roast, you know. Shout out to some of those other names like, you know, Henderson’s, you know, guys like that where it’s like he’s Casey Hampton, too. Like we could lump him in. I would say he’s another Dtier guy, just a really good nose tackle. Really just a run defender only. had nothing could not help you in the pass game at all. Yeah. So, yeah, just been big big Mfers. Casey Hampton didn’t have a an AllPro himself, was on those Super Bowl teams, only had nine sacks in his career. So, like Max said, it’s just we’re going to lump all these guys in into the D tier. Um, just one of those things where you guys have to have to understand being mentioned on this list in a sense is a is a great honor. You know, these we’re talking we’re talking we’re talking in the same breaths of Aaron Donald. Come on now. Like this is why we we got the tier list. It’s like there’s levels to this [ __ ] man. And these guys, they’re they were well enough and, you know, impactful enough to be mentioned on this list. All right. Any other Dtier guys that you have in mind, Max? I’m thinking maybe we should I think he’s an interesting one, too, because I want to stay on this era. Let’s go Vivea. He’s a current guy right now. And Vava was one of those guys where me and Max, I was shocked. I was freaking shocked, man, that Vea doesn’t have a single Allp Pro yet. I This is where I going to go a little different. I put him in C. I think he’s a better player than all these guys. It’s just those guys played in another era a little bit like a little bit before him. Like I feel like when Snacks came into league it was still, you know, this was really sought after. The those tackles are not sought after anymore. Only a few teams really want it. The Eagles won it with Vic Fangio. The Tampa Bay won it with Todd Bulls, but the NFL has shifted a lot, Juan. Right. Would you agree that now it’s really about just disruptive, disruptive, disruptive. But Vita Vea is there’s a reason Tampa Bay’s defense has been good since he’s been drafted. He has been an excellent player for them. A player deserving of an allp pro team. He just doesn’t get the left because he don’t put up the big stats. I’m happy to put him in C. I think he’s a tier above the rest of these guys. I would agree with that. It’s an absolute shame because Va is probably going to go his whole career without making a single allp pro and I don’t give a damn. You gota watch as a nose tackle. He’s having a Hall of Fame career. I am watching a Hall of Fame nose tackle level guy get no nothing. Nothing. Not even getting the Pro Bowls. Yeah. And that’s I I would say it’s even more of a of like impressiveness as far as like playing in this era and being that guy. I would say this, he’s not the best pass rusher, but he’s not no slouch. I’ve seen it from him. Like he has 39 and a half sacks. That’s That’s not something to like just be like seven sacks this year as a nose tackle. It’s incredible. Yeah, he can do it. That’s really good. Yeah, Vea, man. He shocked me. I can’t I couldn’t believe that he’s never made an AllPro. It’s It’s crazy. It makes you want to think like if this keeps on going on this path, I kind of want to just make a nose tackle allpro position. Like, hey, this is a guy that only plays zero. Let’s just try to get him accolade up. Like, damn. But um correct. Let’s let’s talk about two other guys. Let’s go Kus Campbell and Cam Hayward. Let’s start off with Kusas Campbell, who is surprisingly still still trucking along, man. Walter Pay man of the year, 2010’s all decade team. Only a threetime allpro guy, one first team, two second team. He has three or he has six Pro Bowls to add to his name. 42 legend score, 110 and a half sacks, 18 force fumbles, 187 TFLs, almost a thousand tackles in his career. He’s played for a numerous amount of teams. Started off in Arizona, Jacksonville, Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami. And I would say this, Max, he was part of two pretty good defenses. Arizona that year that they made the Super Bowl. Kos Campbell was on that team. He was a very young. I thought it was Kus and Darnell docket show. That’s what it was. Yes. And then like you said, he goes to Jacksonville. That’s when he got This is an interesting case because he kind of did this. He’s done the zero technique and kind of just space eater thing for a lot of his career. But when he went to Jacksonville and they were like, “Hey, you’re playing three technique. You’re next to Malik Jackson. You need to be disruptive.” He was out of this world good. Right. Like they almost went to the Super Bowl with no quarterback. That’s how good he was. Yeah. And it was really him, it was Malik, and it was who was their edge. It wasn’t Yannik. It was those three guys and Ramsay and Buouay. It was a special defense. Barry Church, all the guys. I want to shout shout out to them. I would put him in B. I would really put Kolias. Not for the for what he did and for his longevity. I’d put him in B. Now he’s a little bit lower than a guy like I think Fletcher Cox was better than him. Yeah. I I would say I think he’s a guy who was criminally underrated because he played on a lot of bad defenses and this is where the discussion is like he’s on Arizona that year their defense is really good but how many years was he on Arizona and it was bad right and then after that first year of Jacksonville the defense was bad so it it’s not really his fault it’s not his fault but again I put him in B and I’d be happy it just sucks I I think like Max said I he was in that transition of the NFL as far as, hey, we want you to play nose tackle. You’re 6’8. We want you to take up space. We want you to eat up double. He’s almost too big to play. Like people are like, he’s too big. He’s too tall. Yeah. So, and there’s only forget he’s got the bad ball thing, too. Like JJ Watt on steroids. He is the king of the bad ball. Yeah. Has the deepest voice ever. He has a freaking monster. He’s a monster. Literally a monster, man. 68. Kas Campbell. one of the all-time greats, man. I don’t care how many accolades he has. I don’t care how many Super Bowls he won, how many sacks he has, Kas Campbell was an impactful player when he was playing and he was on some great defenses. I love the fact that he went to Jacksonville and it really did boost up his legacy because if he would have just played for Arizona his whole career, I don’t think we’ll be talking about him in the same breath. I’m just glad that he had that that second half of his career was just like let’s put some respect on Kas Campbell’s name. Yeah. Kind of thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. So, let’s lump in uh who did I say? Cam Hayward. Let’s let’s lump in him. So, Cam Hayward for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Walter Payton man of the year. He has five allp pros to his name. Four of them first team, one of them second team. He has seven Pro Bowlos. Max, I was fairly surprised on how many allp pros he had. Cam Hayward, one of these dudes. 88 and a half sacks, eight force fumbles, 138 TFLs, known for being the iron head like his dad, man. Shout out to his dad. Um, has he ever been bad? Has he ever been bad? No, he just hasn’t. And it sucks. It kind of He hasn’t even just been good. He’s just very good. Every year he’s very good. Yeah. And it sucks though, Max, because in a sense like TJ Watt, because I would lump him together because he’s been playing with TJ Watt for a very long time. And he wasn’t really part of that ’05 team. Like he came along later. Way later. Yeah. He kind of came along, I think, just after the second Super Bowl. Yeah. And it was like, damn, he’s kind of like he’s really good. Really good. Again, he’s probably the Hall of Really good. I would say he’s this he’s a borderline Hall of Famer. He’s in B knocking on A. If he if he has two more good years, I’m going to be like, “Damn, he’s a um he just It’s not really It’s not the highest of highs, but the it’s like never low. It’s just really good.” Yeah. Like his graph is just like 70%. All the time. Yeah. And I would say with Cam Hayward, what’s unique about him, uh shout out to the draft prospects this year, but one of the first guys that you would see with a skinny lower half. That’s the thing about Cameron Hayward. He was so stocky in the upper half, but when you got to his thighs and his legs, he was so narrow, a narrow body. It kind of worked to his advantage. That’s why he has a lot of sacks to his name. He was able to be a pass rusher. Kind of have that little bit of a bend ability, as crazy as that sounds and kind of, you know, like he had some ability to play end like you said. Yeah, great point. Yeah. So Cameron Hayward were just one of those dudes, man, where in a sense, that’s why I wanted to lump him and Kas Campbell. They’re kind of almost the same type of guy where you can play him inside and you can have them as a pass rusher. Like they’re not they’re not bad as a pass rusher type of dude. So we’re leaning what? Cameron Hayward in B. Ba. And then we’re putting Kus in in B. Okay. Yeah. Uh I want to round out C really quick. uh DeForest Buckner, he had a year with the Niners that Super Bowl where he was arguably just as good as Bosa, but I think he kind of fell off a little bit. And I think he’s he’s a good player, disruptive, big, good against the run. I think he’s a Ctier. Like he there’s a there’s a gap between the him, the guys in B and him in C. Hell of a career. I always talk about him. Always one of my favorite players. I’d put him in C to round to round out C. And then I would add Jerome Brown in after the fact. And he’s a he’s a special case. So yeah, I would I would put him as the the poor man’s version of Kas Campbell cuz he’s tall as hell like him. But you know, part of part of I mean this is why we should give Kas Campbell even more points. Um part of being that big is you’re going to get hurt a lot. And I think that’s the downfall of DeForest Buckner where he just got hurt. Always banged up. Always banged up. always banged up, man. And there, I’m not going to lie, there were some years in San Francisco, like the last like three years, I would say, before they were good, he wasn’t getting a lot of praise. He wasn’t he wasn’t getting the allp protein. It wasn’t until the the ners were really good when he was getting a lot of the good praise and a lot of the accolades. But yeah, Deorest Buckner, easy C-tier guy. Like we said, just being mentioned on this list is an honor. Um, we’re going to put him in the C tier. All right, so let’s round out this this list, Max. Let’s Let’s stick on the on the newer era type of dudes. Anything past the 1990s, let’s go Justin Smith. Okay. I really interesting guy. Shout out to Joey because I know Joy’s gonna freaking get a heart on by talking about Justin Smith. Um, look, Justin Smith is a very weird case. Gets starts off his career with Cincinnati. you know, is kind of a he’s a good player, but not not in a sense playing end. Yeah, he’s playing and he’s he’s playing defensive end. So, he goes to the 49ers and he just sprouts out of the ground. He becomes this defensive tackle, the poster child. When you talk about a tweener in the NFL, he was one of the first guys to really put that term into use. I mean, you look at the accolades, he doesn’t leave his career with, you know, much disappointment. He has five allp pros to his name. Four of them second team allp pro, one first team allpro. He has five pro bowls. Some of the stats when you look at it, 87 sacks, 16 force fumbles, 119 TFLs, 884 tackles max. Round one, pick four. That’s what a lot of people forget. In 2001, this guy was the number four overall pick. And this is a a case where you say one of those guys where unfortunately his career was kind of wasted because he was played at the wrong position. He just couldn’t if he was if he was with Fanjo his whole career he’d be a Hall of Famer because when he got to San Fran and it was like the 2010s teams and you know that defense that was amazing the Niners you know Patrick Willis we covered Bowman Alden Smith everyone there and he was just the guy he was the Honata that defense never got the love was an exceptional player I would have no problem putting him in B or C I really wouldn’t I think he might be a bit of a more of a C cuz he kind of had a late start but if you want to throw him in the back end of B. I’m cool with that as well. I think he was a good player. Yeah, I’m going to throw him in the back end of B uh for now. But Justin Smith, one of those guys, like you said, the unsung hero on those 49er teams and absolute just technician, man. He was, like I said, he was the he was the poster child for a tweener. So, he was fast enough to get around him. Nobody moved him. He was so strong. Yeah, super strong. He’s so strong. Got that white boy motor, too, man. You know, we love that white boy motor on those on those defensive linemen, man. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Let’s go. Let’s go to another tweener. Speaking of those type of guys, let’s go uh Michael Bennett. Me and one of me and Max’s favor. This is such an interesting one. If you look at him, you’re like, “How did he even make the list?” Right? How did he make it? But guys, I’m telling you, when he was with Seattle, you can go back and watch like I think it’s what’s America’s game. It’s like Super Bowl, right, with Patriots. They’re like, “We just got to stop Michael Bennett.” That was the guy. It wasn’t Richard Sherman, wasn’t Cam, it was we got to stop Michael Bennett because I’m telling you, Michael Bennett when he came over the guard on third down, excuse my phrasing, he was unblockable. He was such a nightmare to a certain point. Like I’m going to put him in C because his curve wasn’t that amazing. Yeah. But I’m telling you, man. I am telling you guys, he was dominant. Like I’m not ex not exaggerating. He was an ass kicker. F up the play dominant guy. He didn’t put up great stats. He just messed up everything that they were trying to do. Yeah. Do you look at Michael Bennett, man? What I remember him for is besides his dominance in the in those little stretches for the LB was the small shoulder pads. He wore those baby ass shoulder pads on him. They were so small and it really worked to his advantage, man. He was one of those dudes that had everything. He had the swim move. He he was he was really good with his hands. He was stronger than you thought. And when you look at those Seahawk teams, they kind of took a page out of the Giants in the way. Like they had like a little NASCAR package back in Seattle. It was like Cliff Averil, Michael Bennett. It was like the biggest guy that they had was like Puna Ford, but on third down like, “Hey, let’s kick Michael Bennett in into defensive tackle. Let him eat.” And he would freaking eat. So So when it comes when it comes to Michael Bennett, I agree. He’s Ctier just because of how his career, you know, shaped out to be. I’m even honestly thinking about D. We’ll think, you know, we’ll rearrange, but like you said, the heights of his career, the absolute peak, man, it was special. Like Michael Bennett was one of those dudes. It was. It absolutely was. Okay, let’s go to Kevin Williams. All right. Took us long enough to get to Kevin Williams because he was a hell of a player, man, back in the day. Was really only on one good team. I would say that NFC championship team with the Minnesota Vikings where you know Brett Favre threw that interception and costing him a Super Bowl trip but part of the 2010s all decade team. He made five allp pros all of them first team six time pro bowler 50 legend score. Not too shabby man for a defensive tackle. Number nine overall pick back in 2003. 63 total sacks. 10 force fumbles. 113 TFLs. Look, man. I’m kind of leaning towards A. You know, I think this is this is one of the guys when we talk about Helinatada, Vince Wilfork, Kevin Williams pops up into that name. I know I would put him into A1. It he was really special. Like, and again, I talk about it. Bad bad defense, man. Yeah. Didn’t play a lot of good teams. It wasn’t always bad defense. It was just not good teams because, you know, it was him, Jared Allen kicking butt up there. They had Pat Williams. They had um Ray Edward. Was it Ray Edwards? Who’s the other guy? Is Ray Edwards? Oh my goodness. I think it is Ray Edwards. I think you’re right. Yeah. Like for like one year. But it was just like he was exceptional. He was a hell of a player. Yeah. I think this is an easy A tier, man. I’m I’m not I think the bottom of a personally. Yes. But yeah. Okay. Now, let’s go to Richard Seymour. My personal favorite. Honestly, I have Richard Seymour holds a a special place in my heart, man. Is it because he socked out Big Ben? Yeah, he he defined what a Raider should be, man. But unfortunately, he’s going to go down and known as a New England Patriot, three-time Super Bowl champion, 2010’s all decade team, Pro Football Hall of Famer, five-time AllPro, three-time first team, two-time second team. He has seven Pro Bowlos to his name. some of the stats that he has. He has 57 and a half sacks, four forced fumbles, TFLs, 91 of them, almost 500 tackles. Like I said, he played for New England and the Oakland Raiders. I’m going to say this about Richard Seymour, man. He was a leader. He was a captain. He was one of those guys that really did um take that leadership role on the defensive end. uh kind of in a sense like what’s what we talk about with Justin Tuck but with a lot more talent. He was just a lot more talented than Justin Tuck and he was kind of unsung in a way for the New England Patriots. He was one of those guys that got swept under the rug. You know, some other guys had some shine like, you know, Ronnie Harrison and Sante Samuel or Tai Law back in the day. You know, guys like that. And you know, it sucked the way that his career ended in New England because he got traded. That was the crazy thing. It was it was big news when the Patriots winded up trading a guy like Richard Seymour where he’s like, “You guys are trading a future Hall of Famer.” And granted, it worked out pretty well because they traded for Randy Moss, a future Hall of Famer in himself, but at the time it was pretty crazy that he was part of that trade. What do you remember about Richard Seymour? I just remember him kicking butt for New England. I remember a little bit I remember watching with the Raiders and I thought like he was a little bit long in the two, but he was still good. Yeah, he again a player who I would say is never bad. I have a weird time placing him. I think he’s right in between A and B. Where are you leaning? I’m leaning towards the bottom of A. I I I can’t see him in a world that he is not in the same breath as a Kevin Williams and Vince Wilfork. That’s the way I see it. He was dominated. I feel like we’re going to have to I feel like we’re going to have to re rearrange those big guys. Yeah. Yeah. We’ll see. So, so I we don’t have many names left. So, what where do you want to head to? Like a little speed round thing or Let’s go speed round. Let’s go. Let’s go Brian Young. Shout out to to Joey for Brian Young. Comeback player of the year, Super Bowl champion, 90s all deck 18, Pro Football Hall of Fame, fourtime allp pro, four-time Pro Bowler. Uh, look, he he was on that on that 49ers team as far as winning uh that Super Bowl with Steve Young. 89 and a half sacks, 12 force fumbles, 93 TFLs, 627 tackles. Look, he’s a ‘9s guy. He was very dominant for his time. Uh, one of those guys that stacked up a lot of sacks and was really playing more the three tech kind of dude. He wasn’t your typical like nose tackle guy. I think he’s a solid B. He was very good. I would never say he was the best in his position. I wouldn’t even say he was elite. I’d say he’s really good. Elite is not the right word because he made the Hall of Fame. He was really good. He just wasn’t one or two. Had a hell of a career. I’d put him in B right in the middle. He’s He’s a good player. Hall of Famer, no doubt. Yeah. Now, we’re going to lump in all these guys cuz I would say in a sense they’re kind of the same player as far as their duties go. Let’s go Chester Mlakton. uh not too much of a legend score, you know, made four Pro Bowls, three allp pros. Uh some of the stats that he has, only 51 sacks, didn’t track TFLs until 1999, so he only has 31 of those. 14 forced fumbles. Look, this was a big [ __ ] bro. Chester Mlakton was a huge human being. Uh made a Super Bowl with the with the Raiders, so was part of that team. But uh Chester Mlakton as far as when it goes like guys like Snacks, guys like Vince Wilfork, he was one of those dudes as far as he just ate up space max. And it just sucks that he played in the 90s. So we didn’t see much of him. Of course, we seen the tail end of his career mostly, you know, with the Raiders and stuff on that veteran defense. But um I’m leaning towards C, honestly. Yeah, I would agree. Cash D. Yeah. So, so let’s let’s talk about let’s go more into the e echelon of this, but let’s go Cortez Kennedy, who’s a little bit higher on that list, has a lot more accolades than some other guys. Obviously, he’s a Pro Football Hall of Famer, defensive player of the year, 90s all decade team. He has three first team AllPros, two second team AllPros. He has about eight Pro Bowlos. Look, Cortez Kennedy was nothing to play with, man. And it just sucks that he played for the Seahawks mostly in like the worst era the worst era of Seahawks. Yeah. But uh what are you thinking? I’m I’m thinking that at B. Honestly, B is stacked up right now. We’re probably going to have to clean up A, but right now I’m leaning B. This is a Pro Football Hall of Famer. This is a guy that took up a lot of space. A zero tech dude. Um he is no slouch, man. We have to we have to put him up there. It’s just he didn’t get he didn’t get much of the sacks and he ain’t get much of the shine because he played for the Seahawks. But that’s where I’m leaning for him. Okay, let’s go to Let’s do Loy Glover. I got Lroy Lroy Loy Glover. Loy Glover, excuse me. Jesus. He’s a Ctier guy. He had a little four-year run. He had one really elite year and a few other good ones and that was pretty much it. He was good. I remember him in Dallas. He was an ass kicker towards the end of his career, late bloomer, but I’d say he was a Ctier guy. Yeah, I would agree. Ctier for Lavoy Glover. Um was on the Raiders for a little bit. Part of that those Cowboys teams. Uh let’s put Loy into Ctier. And last but not least, before we clean up this the the list, guys, this is uh this is shout out to Max, man. We put him on the list for my boy Max. Shout out to the Eagles. Let’s talk about Jerome Brown. He’s a special case. Look, he only has two Pro Bowls. He only has two All Pros. Both of them first team All Pros. If you guys didn’t know, Jerome Brown life ended pretty unexpectedly. Right after Yeah. Right after his first two, you know, first AllPros. Yeah. So, Go ahead, Max. Go ahead. No, it’s just a sad case, you know, like a guy coming into a zone, he gets in a car wreck, dies. He’s only played five years, you know. He was part of the like team with Reggie White and stuff. And Buddy Ryan, he was coming into his own. He just unfortunately he just he passed away way too soon. I’d put him in C. I think we could agree he’d probably be an S tier guy if he just, you know, if that trajectory tracked and it looked like it was going to, he was a special player, man. It’s just, you know, when life happens like this, you can’t you can’t do much, you know. Yeah. As as much as it sucks, Max, I’m leaning towards the D. It’s just way too short. I get it. Yeah, it’s way too short. But I think in a sense, we could have easily left them off of this discussion. That’s the way I see it is we could have easily been like, ah, they only two years. Like, come on. There’s probably some other guys that had that in their career as far as like, oh, they had two really good years. And it’s like, you know, we’re picking and choosing at that point. But for him, it’s a special case. I think mentioning him on this list is is very much well of a of a shout out to him and, you know, remembering his legacy of what he left behind uh with those Eagle teams. All right, let’s go to the tier list, Max. So, we got Aaron Donald all by himself. That’s pretty self-explanatory. S tier, this is very short. This is one that’s probably one of the shortest. Warren Sap and John Randall. Do we see anyone fighting for that crown in the A tier Max? Just a couple candidates. We got Will Fork, Eldinada, Chris Jones, Kevin Williams, and Richard Seymour. Do any of those guys? I don’t think so either. I I think I think we need to rework it a little bit, too. I’d put the two nose tackles at the back of A. Yeah. Um, most definitely. I would say I would say there’s guys on B who were better than them, but just they were the best nose tackles probably ever. Yeah. You know, up there. And so I would give them a little bit of a bump. So, so what’s so what’s A looking like? So, A right now is Chris Jones, Kevin Williams, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, and hello Natada. Natada over Wolffork. I’m leaning towards that way, honestly. Yeah. So, say switch that. Let’s put Jones at the back of those guys because he’s still playing. So, who’s the top? I would put Richard Seymour at the top. Okay. Then, who’s after him? Kevin Williams. Okay. Chris Jones, Helada, Vince Wilfork. Okay. Who’s gonna come up? I think we should drag. I think someone’s gonna have to come up from A. Yeah. I mean from B. Um, we got Fletch, Nomin Sue, Gino Atkins, Cam Hayward, Klayas Campbell, Justin Smith, Bryant Young, Cortez Kennedy. Honestly, pretty happy. Yeah. I don’t. It’s hard because I feel like all those defensive tackles, like you said, it’s like at that point we’ll just B tier is going to get so clustered at that point. Yeah. So, I like it. I like A tier. I think A tier is fine. Those, like you said, those defensive tackles that we have in there, those are the all-time greats. So, with that being said, I’m going to put Cortez Kennedy into A. With that being said, I feel like we got to do him some justice. He’s at the bottom of it. I I I put him at the bottom but before the no like ahead of the nose tackles. Okay. Like he’s the last guy before Natada if that makes sense. Or Chris Jones. Chris Jones before Chris Jones then. Yeah. Okay. So A tier final Richard Seymour, Kevin Williams, Cortez Kennedy, Chris Jones, Hodinada, Vince Wilfork. Yeah, but put Fletcher Cox in A just for shits. No. All right, Btier. Fletcher Cox, Nadamin Sue, Gino Atkins, Cam Hayward, Kas Campbell, Justin Smith, Brian Young. I’m going to put Brian Young. Sue’s got to come down. Yes, most definitely. Who? Brian Young’s got to come. I think Brian Young and then Fletcher. Yeah. Okay. Fletch. And then I’m thinking Hayward. Yes. After Fletch. Yeah. And then I’m thinking Kus next. Yep. Yep. And then I go I go just Do we go Justin Smith over Sue? Sue over Smith? Sue over Smith. What about Smith over Gino or Gino over Smith? No, I put I put Gino over Sue. I go Gino Sue Smith. Gino Sue Smith. Okay, so this is the final list. Brian Young, Fletcher Cox, Cam Hayward, Klayas Campbell, Gino Atkins, Nadamin Sue, Justin Smith. Yes. All right, let’s rock with it. Ctier right now. Vea, Chester McGlaughlin, DeForest Buckner, Michael Bennett, and Leroy Glover. Leroy. Leroy Glover. Bennett at the bottom. Bennett at the bottom. 100%. I’m leaning Glover or Vita Vea at one. I put I put Vita. I know he doesn’t have the accolades, but I think this is it’s it’s just robbery. I think Vita is just getting robbed. And then I put DeForest Buckner over Mccclaclin. Yeah, that’s fine. And then Loy after him. Okay. I mean before him. Sorry. So Loy too. Loyy’s two. Yes. Lavroyy’s two. Okay. And Deor is third. McGlaclin and then Bennett. Yeah. Okay. Dtier, we got Gerald McCoy, Casey Hampton, Snacks, and Jerome Brown. Jerome Brown is safely sitting in at the top. The top. No, I’m not even joking. Okay. Yeah, I feel that. Snacks is the bottom for sure. Yes, I second. I’m Casey’s. No, no, Casey. Casey’s last. Casey’s last. Sorry. Snacks is third, then Ham um then whoever, and then Brown. So Jerome Brown won. Yeah. Gerald McCoy second. Snacks. Yep. And then Casey. Casey. Yeah. I’m going to make the executive decision. I got Casey over Snacks. Really? Yes. I think that’s I think so. I think Casey Hampton’s better than Snacks and for longer. I’ll live with it. Okay. I live with it. That’s it. That’s the tier list, guys. I would I just want to add one thing. If we were going to move two people up from A to A, they would be old heads. I’d put Me and Joe and I’d put Allan Paige. Those are the only two guys I think even have a if we weren’t doing the old tier. Mhm. That’ be the only two guys I Maybe. Maybe. It’s just so old, you know? It’s so old. But that’s the list. That’s the list. That’s the list, guys. We appreciate you guys rocking with us, man. Um, we hope you guys enjoy this one. This is the big mother efforts, bro. All right, defensive tackles. Shout out to Aaron Donald for getting his own tier. Offense. Yes, we’re going to offense next, man. So, stay tuned. Make sure to subscribe to the channel. Make sure to like the video. Comment down below. What do you guys think? Where are you guys ranking these guys? All right. Make sure to follow us on all the platforms. Tik Tok, Instagram, all that good stuff. Max Juan Cass and we will we will see you guys next time. All right. Peace. Peace. Everything ain’t what it seems. Glittering golden not on my team. It’s organic. We don’t buy streams.
