Cody Rhodes sits down with Kevin Owens to talk about advice Owens gave him about wrestling on the indies, KO’s close relationship with Cody’s father Dusty, recovering from injuries and more, presented by Fanatics and Wheatley American Vodka.
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friends at Wheatley American Vodka. And today we’re not,
we’re not on my home away from home. We’re not on the bus. We’re actually in Frankfort,
Kentucky at the Buffalo Trace Distillery. They do tours here. We are in a, we are sequestered in
a hidden room, a bit of a speakeasy. And get in on that. >> Speaker 2: You see this? >> Speaker 1: Get in on that. >> Speaker 2: This is the real thing. >> Speaker 1: That is a real thing, folks. >> Speaker 2: The only way I’ll ever be
on a bottle is if I put my face behind the clear bottle. But look at that. There’s two of them. >> Speaker 1: See,
we did get multiple photos. >> Speaker 2: Pretty crazy. >> Speaker 1: And my guest who’s
introduced himself already slightly oddly. This guest, I didn’t think of an intro for because this is one of my friends
in the wrestling business. And my father used to say he probably had
five friends in the wrestling business. And when he would list them out,
it was, it seemed more like 3. DDP. Always excited that he
remained one of those digits. But one of my very few friends
in the entire business. Former everything champion,
WrestleMania Saturday night main eventer, all the things you could possibly do. And someone who changed
the course except Sunday night. And somebody who changed the course
of professional wrestling in general by the things he did. In terms of change my course,
at least helping me out, sending me out into the unknown and sending me out with the proper
information which I needed at the time. Following my career, keeping up with me. One of my. Again, I might be like my dad. Five friends, maybe it’s less,
but he is certainly one of them. An exceptional human being. A lover of zoos. This guy loves the zoos, folks. And a dinosaur man as well. And please welcome to. What do you wanna talk about? The one and only Kevin Owens,
[APPLAUSE] yes, yeah. They usually don’t clap,
that’s the first time we ever clap. >> Speaker 2: I was gonna say it’s
really awkward if only one person in the room full of what,
there are seven people in here. >> Speaker 1: I dialed up
an introduction for Priest and it was-
>> So since he got it, he got an introduction meaning
you’re not friends with him? Cuz what you just said is, I didn’t
think of an introduction for a friend. >> A lot. >> Okay, I’m not friends with him. They tried to make me friends with him. >> Speaker 1: So a lot of people are. Have you heard me use the term
workplace proximity associates? Sure.
>> Speaker 2: Well, I’ve never heard you say that. >> Yeah. >> I’ve heard you say several things. >> Speaker 2: The old WPA.
>> Would come out of your mouth for sure. >> Speaker 1: WPAs. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried to make
me be friends with Damian Priest on television. >> How did it go? >> I refused. >> Speaker 1: Can you tell me why? >> Speaker 2: [LAUGH] Yeah, sure. >> Speaker 1: That’s our first question. >> Speaker 2: Well, so
in 2021 is the pandemic era, I was embroiled in a feud
with Roman Reigns. >> Speaker 1: The Big Dog. >> Speaker 2: It was the beginning of
a four year nightmare that just would not stop for me. But when it started, you know, we were
wrestling in front of empty buildings. Well, we had the weird screens there. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, Thunderdome. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, you missed that,
you missed that time. And right at the right when we’re gonna
have the blow off match was gonna be the last man standing match. The Royal Rumble, which turned out to be
everyone’s favorite match that we had. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: About three weeks before. I’m thinking, okay,
we’re firing on all cylinders. We’re going to the Royal Rumble. It’s a big match. It’s gonna be a lot of fun. And then I’m at television and
they come tell me, well, things are kind of changing now. You’re going to be introducing your
new best friend to help you take on the bloodline. Because it’s the numbers game. Like, who’s this guy? They go, you know Damian Priest from NXT? The art, the guy who’s-
>> That’s right, yeah? >> Yes, well,
I have nothing against them, but no one would believe
that we’re best friends. We cannot be more opposite. And why it’s so random. Turns out somebody threw this
idea out there and it stuck for about five minutes until I said, no,
I don’t wanna be friends [LAUGH] with him- >> Yeah. >> On TV, maybe in real life,
but let’s start somewhere. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And yeah, he got killed,
but he’s going to take my match. It was going to be him versus
Roman Reigns of the Royal Rumble. >> Speaker 1: The plot thickens. >> Speaker 2: I was incensed. >> Speaker 1: I, I said,
no, you, you as a. >> Speaker 2: But hey, for
what it’s worth, I didn’t doll his career, he debuted on the main
roster like two weeks later. >> Speaker 1: Well, you, you bring, you
bring something up that I feel like we’ve never talked about on the podcast at
all is sometimes there are people in the space in pro wrestling
who say yes to everything. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And they, they kind of make that their thing is, you got it, I’ll go do this,
I’ll go do that, I’ll go do that. And then there’s others who
are more discerning and More disciplined with their choices
in terms of how they present it. As a wrestler, if you want to use
the term artist, whatever it may be, I feel like I have always, I don’t,
I don’t think secretly I’ve always admired to a degree those who can go,
hey, that’s not for me. It might be a good idea, but that’s not
for me because there’s that school of thought as well, that’s hey,
I’m going to make anything work. But sometimes making anything work is
not as good as this just doesn’t work in general. Let’s find something else. And I feel like that’s an area where
I admire your ability to say, hey, I know myself, I know my brand,
I know what people will buy, and they wouldn’t buy that. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it’s. For me it just comes down to if I think
the audience would be insulted by it, which I didn’t think the audience would
be insulted by the concept of me and him being friends. But yeah, up to that point, you know, and
at that time NXT had already been around. People are aware of NXT enough
to know that he’s been in nxt. I used to be in NXT. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 2: We never had
any sort of interaction. Never in our lives were we like. It would just be so random. It was one thing if they would have told
me you’re gonna bring him in as your backup just a guy you saw
in NXT that impressed you. But they know he has to
be your best friend. I’m like, also,
I spent years television-wise. >> Telling us that-
>> Screwing every friend I had- >> Yeah. >> And not in the fun way,
backstabbing them. So why would I just introduce this
random best friend that I’ve never. I just didn’t like it,
I think it was shit. >> Speaker 1: You can’t see yourself
though in kind of that Shawn Michaels. I’m just picturing now as you’re talking
cuz I’m having fun with this question. >> Speaker 2: That’s the thing. >> Speaker 1: I’m picturing
you in Shawn Michaels outfit. >> Speaker 2: Picture Damien Priestess
when Damien Priestess and I love him, great guy. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, he’s a good guy. >> The way, just him and
me, it doesn’t work, no. >> Speaker 1: Simple question for you. What are you drinking there? What is that?
That’s a specialty drink major for just you. >> Speaker 2: Yeah,
they called it Stun and Run. >> Speaker 1: Stun and Run. >> Speaker 2: Which is funny. >> Speaker 1: Damn.
>> Speaker 2: I don’t run much. >> Speaker 1: No.
>> Speaker 2: But I’ll take this. >> Yeah,
this guy likes to stay in the fight. >> Speaker 2: Stun and walk briskly,
briskly part is getting worse cuz my neck, my knees are shit. So it’s stun and
[CROSSTALK] stunning around a lot. >> Speaker 1: Well, cheers to you. >> Speaker 2: All right.
>> Speaker 1: Cheers to you. My friend has a stunning run. I have the American, 14.95. That is the price. Yeah.
I mean, it’s a proper. >> Speaker 2: Keeps it nice and cold. >> Speaker 1: That’s the thing. It’s a proper glass, if for me-
>> I thought your face was on the other side. So if that had been the case,
1495 would be a bargain. Now, it’s a fair price because
your face is not on it. So, all due respect to
Wheatley American Vodka. >> Speaker 1: I get the sense,
Kevin, that. Some of this iconography and
some of this stuff you don’t love. >> Speaker 2: I actually do love it. >> Speaker 1: Thanks.
>> Speaker 2: I really do love it. I do. But I can’t help but think,
you know, often I present it as a. It’s very funny because it is funny,
but also for me. I remember what. I remember when you told me, I’m leaving. I quit. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And now. You know what I mean? And the difference. I’ve told you this before. The difference is staggering. And it’s more. I’m still in disbelief. Not that you did it,
because I knew you could, but that it surpassed even what I’m sure
what even you would have expected. >> Speaker 1: I’m in uncharted territory. >> Speaker 2: Right.
>> Speaker 1: For sure. >> Speaker 2: That’s it. But, yeah, but I do love it. I mean, how can? This is incredible. >> Speaker 1: Do you know when you gave
me your complete, full support and you actually said something
similar to what you just said? You. I think basically you told me
everything was possible for me after you saw a certain moment. Do you remember what that was? >> Speaker 2: Ring of Honor Final Battle. >> Speaker 1: Yes.
And you. Yes.
You texted me after a final battle, and it was actually you who texted
me after Final Battle and then Triple H who texted
me after I wrestled. Wrestled Christopher Daniels. And I remember thinking,
like, they’re watching. They’re watching. Good.
And I’m also having a good time. I’m having fun. That’s probably the first thing
that I think it’s important. And I always. Not only are these fun, and I hope people
are entertained by these conversations, but it’s so important that people know. And we’ve talked about it on tv,
we’ve touched it, but we’ve not been able to go in long form. When I left, I didn’t really ask
anyone other than you, hey, how do. How would you map this out? What would you do? How would you play this? I remember talking to you about the list,
which now is. It’s kind of a symbol of where we
mobilized a fan base to say, hey, I’m doing something. It’s not.
Just stay tuned to the next chapter. I’m not done yet. Can’t wait till you see what I do next. No, there was a promise. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
Actually it was genius to do that, because then it made even some things
that might have seemed mundane or not really a big deal to some people. For example, some of the names you
had on the list, great wrestlers, but not necessarily somebody that people
would have loved to see you wrestle. >> Speaker 1: Sure. >> Speaker 2: I think I believe
Mike Bennett was on the list. >> Speaker 1: And
Mike Bennett is on the list. >> Speaker 2: I really
like Mike the Miracle. Cody Rhodes versus Mike Bennett, to me, is
not a match that people would have died to see just because Mike is a great wrestler. But I don’t think it’s somebody that
people would have thought him and Cody Rhodes could have a killer match. But because you put it on the list and
then the list became this important thing, that match became something
people wanted to see. And then you guys did it in tna. >> Speaker 1: I think we did it in tna and then we did it at a few
Northeast Wrestling. >> Speaker 2: And it was a bigger deal
just because it had a bit of hype. Just from that. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: You know what I mean? >> Speaker 1: You helped curate the list. You helped me and it wasn’t always,
hey, put this person on. It was. I don’t think this one. >> Speaker 2: I think I remember telling
you, you shouldn’t put that one on there. >> Speaker 1: But I don’t remember. I think the one that you were more like. I don’t know, man, was Moose. I think the one you were more. And a lot of those were. Remember, I was trying to be like Batman
in this moment where I have a plan and there’s a plan behind the plan. So some of these were booked already. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: So like Kurt Angle, for example. Booked already. It’s got to be on the list. A few of these and then a lot of them. The streamers thing, for example,
I genuinely wanted that to see, you know, on these certain independent shows, then
the biggest part of it was I would ask you about the people out there and
not just wrestlers. Hey, I talked to Greg at Ring of Honor,
for example, and Joe, God bless him. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: What do
you think about this? And I remember asking you too. The big question I asked
you about was pricing. And it was a really good
conversation because you said, I agreed with your sentiment
on don’t rob the bank. Price yourself fairly so
that you can keep going. Price yourself fairly. >> Speaker 2: That.
>> Speaker 1: My big thing was I would do the in the ring photos after the show. I wanted to make sure the promoter
got his money back because I would be on the show with other ex WWE guys or
WWE legends, whatever. They’d rob the bank. I knew that guy didn’t
get his money off you. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
And I was tricky for that part because I. When I was on the Indies,
I had never had the WWE exposure at all. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And I didn’t have
the Rhodes name, which means a lot. Right. So I think the highest amount of money I
ever charged on anyone on the Indies was 600 bucks. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And you know, I was getting
booked enough selling a ton of shirts. I was doing fine. But you were a different story. So when we’re talking about that,
I just remember specifically hearing about ex WWE guys that
overestimated their appeal. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Just because
they were coming off of wwe. And I think, you know a good example. Charged insane amounts of money. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Which he might have
gotten a couple times at first. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And now I think it’s safe to
say he has not very much. I don’t know, you know if that’s. It might be by design. Maybe he decided not to. >> Speaker 1: Not everyone. Not everyone. It’s so many people. So many. >> Speaker 2: This podcast is
gonna be like 20 minutes long. >> Speaker 1: Because one thing like for
example, when you said we can bleep it out and
just let people. Let people guess. Yes.
That’s a good one. That way there’s no issue. Because I love that because that
was a great example of hey, hey, I appreciate it. Getting your money. We gotta eat. >> Speaker 2: Are they gonna
put a square over my mouth? >> Speaker 1: Read it so
that people can guess. >> Speaker 2: Instead of a square,
can you put Cody’s face over my mouth? >> Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. No.
>> Speaker 2: Just his tattoo. Yeah, just the tattoo. Yeah.
So. But Cody tattoo. >> Speaker 1: It was tricky. I was all over the board
in what I charged. If it was like a mom and pop,
that probably was a one time visit. Maybe it was more full rate. And then I’d do everything I could
to make sure they got their. If it was something I wanted to do. I don’t know what I took for
pwg, for example. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: But I remember. I believe. Hope this doesn’t sound crazy. I believe I took $750 and it was more a matter of when I
said that they weren’t used to. Nobody was making to be part
of the battle of Los Angeles. Nobody was making big money. You want to be here. And I understood that sentiment. But I also wanted to make sure
like I hope they know though. Just there is a like a little
bit of a firewall so that it’s not just I’ll do whatever and
do anything. >> Speaker 2: I mean so pwg,
we may have talked about it actually and I definitely told you charge the least
to them that you willing to. Yeah, because me, I mean me and
Sammy were charged. We wrestle for
literally whatever Danny would give us. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. Danny is super Dragon, right? Correct.
Yeah. Because I remember when I said 750,
we agreed but I remember there was a pause to the like. Well. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Can you do this 100%. I can do this and I’ll be back, you know. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, you approached it in
the best way you could have. You approached it with no ego and
no expectation of. Even though. So, like, again,
I hate to bring up the of the world. Right.
Yeah, they did stuff in wwe. They were popular guys at a certain level. They won some titles,
everything, but nothing. Their run up until when they ended up
getting released and having to go on the independent scene was never compared
to the run you had had up to that point. Even towards the end. If you want to consider Stardust as
a low point, which I know you don’t. I honestly don’t. I loved Stardust. I legit did. Even if you consider, like,
just look at everything. Before Stardust,
you were intercontinental champ. You were in the Legacy with Randy. You were working Triple H and
Sean in main events of pay per views. >> Speaker 1: You were there. >> Speaker 2: Yes, you had a great run and
you still approached it with no ego. Not expecting that run to do anything for you on independent scene besides
having promoters attack. Attention.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: You didn’t expect them to
give you three grand a match just because you won the intercontinental title by,
you know, disaster kicking Big show off the apron. Speaking of that foot
going through a table. >> Speaker 2: We have to talk
about that disaster kick. >> Speaker 1: Let’s do it. >> Speaker 2: No, but go ahead. I liked what you were going. >> Speaker 1: The table. His foot through the table. >> Speaker 2: And, and, and the way he Big
show told the producer it’s going to work. >> Speaker 1: It did work. >> Speaker 2: And that producer was
dying to tell us we were wrong. And then when his foot
went through that table. >> Speaker 1: What did AR say? >> Speaker 2: His face. I remember him. >> Speaker 1: Was it Arn? >> Speaker 2: It wasn’t. But you could probably guess who else. But I remember him saying I was wrong. That was great. >> Speaker 1: And
played Guess the producer. What year was that? Gosh. >> Speaker 2: Extreme Rules. Was the pay per view. >> Speaker 1: Right?
Doesn’t work here anymore tables. >> Speaker 2: No, it works here. He does table. Yeah, he’s. >> Speaker 1: Hell yeah, he works. Jamie. >> Speaker 2: Nope. I would have done a Jamie impression. That’s right. >> Speaker 1: Who’s left? >> Speaker 2: It’s not Arn. Remember Big Show’s Golden Circle? Golden Circle producer man. >> Speaker 1: I really didn’t
work with him that much. I don’t think I know who
his golden circle was. >> Speaker 2: Well, when I say golden
circle, I mean when I first got in, Arn used to refer to the Golden Circle. It was the talent that really could do
whatever they wanted because they did well for the company. Drew for the company, and
we took care of that talent. Of course, you’re talking about John Cena. >> Speaker 2: Randy Orton,
people like that. >> Speaker 1: Michael, you got. Of course Michael wouldn’t work. Michael tells everybody nothing’s
gonna work to Michael’s. But then he admits that
he’s wrong to Michael. >> Speaker 2: Very quickly he said, do it. And I can’t wait to tell
you guys it’s wrong. And I remember him sitting there and then
he was forthcoming afterwards because he’s been right so many times in his career
to take that random shot and, you know, show his foot going through the table. I mean, to this day,
people think they used the B word for it. I’m like, great. Then it was. We have not.
[LAUGH] >> Speaker 2: But wrong vowel. >> Speaker 2: It’s all good. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, but
it worked because of show’s reaction. >> Speaker 2: It’s the whole thing. And that’s how he really was as a giant. Like, I don’t know if you were there at
the Big Texan Steakhouse in Amarillo, when we’re all sitting,
it’s a giant group of us. That’s where if you eat the 70 something
ounce steak with the potato and veggies. You get your picture on the wall. We’re all sitting there. Two things happen that day. >> Speaker 1: Hey, I need a refill. Can we call? >> Speaker 2: Yes, for
sure, for sure, sure. >> Speaker 1: I need more drink. >> Speaker 2: I’ll
actually take one myself. >> Speaker 1: There we go.
Stun and walk back in here. >> Speaker 2: Stun and walk. >> Speaker 1: No, no. This is a soundproof door. >> Speaker 2: I think it’s have to come
down the stairs to the speak easy. >> Speaker 1: Is there. Are there customers up there? Push to exit. Hey. >> Speaker 2: All right. >> Speaker 1: Thank you. That was so quick. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. Are you ready to hold WWE history
in the palm of your hand? Also, we should take a moment
while they’re doing this. These are our wonderful folks at
the Buffalo Trace Distillery and our friends at Wheatley American Vodka. Okay, so we’re talking about show the big
show stepping through, step through. So Big Texan steakhouse. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
Okay. >> Speaker 2: Show sitting at the edge. It’s a rare moment. You know, it’s always a rare moment
when all the talent get together to do something. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: So everyone is. >> Speaker 1: It’s so
rare that I never do it. So that’s so rare. I actually, I went to eat with
Randy Waller Theory, Carmelo Hayes and a few others very recently. It was shocking. >> Speaker 2: So that’s a shocking moment. So we’re all there together. >> Speaker 1: Steakhouse. I’m not there. >> Speaker 2: Two things are happening. >> Speaker 1: Thank you.
>> Speaker 2: Randy’s going through a milk phase. He’ll be okay with me sharing this,
but everything was whole milk. So he’s ordering whole milk. He’s wearing black jeans. He’s only brought one pair. And this waiter comes out with
a tray of drinks and he spills. Literally. You see the wobble? He spills the milk on Randy’s jeans. And I remember Randy was so randy. He’s like, well, it’s not your fault, but,
you know, I only got one pair of jeans, so what are we going to do here? You know, like, not your fault,
but maybe you’re caring. Maybe you’re carrying too many. Clearly remember you caring too many. Laughing maniacally, super intimidating,
like, yeah, it is his fault. And like, the guy feels bad already, but the way you’re saying
is making it far worse. Like, please, let’s end this. But what ended it actually was
show in a very giant fashion show. Is sitting at the end of
the table watching it all. It’s all happening together. And then, of course,
did he offer Randy his jeans? No, because his chair shattered. His chair shattered. And he falls to the floor. And the problem then became he can’t get
up because we’re all flocked into this table. And so then to make it right
on stage is a prop chair. There’s a stage in the big Texan. It’s this prop,
big oak throne that they use. Like, hey, get the big Texan. Come get your picture up here. They brought it down for
him to sit in and he was like, I’m fine. I can sit in a regular chair. I’m fine. And it was just an amazing,
like, everything right happened. If you were going to attend an all talent
event, like, everything right happened but the milk, then the fall. But his face was the same when
he stepped through the table. And I always thought, man, I learned. Have you ever heard the hey,
I don’t want to do comedy story? Have I ever told you that story? >> Speaker 1: Big show. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: No, but
I can imagine knowing Paul. >> Speaker 2: Went strong on that one. Okay, so I wrestled show. >> Speaker 1: 11 nights before you
go into this, just because it’s. We’re hovering around the topic
of Big show breaking the chair. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Did you ever hear the story of him breaking the chair because of me? And that’s the moment he knew he liked me. And I. I entered Big show’s golden
circle at that point. >> Speaker 2: Yes. >> Speaker 1: So
I’m in NXT at the time and we’re having our first out of
state show at the Arnold Classic. >> Speaker 2: Huge deal, baby. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, Huge deal for nxt. But before the Arnold Classic and
we’re gonna have shows there, we had a TV taping. I want to say Cleveland, maybe. Maybe it was a Columbus. I’m not even sure. But we’re in this building,
you know, not a huge building, but NXT starting to garner some,
you know, starting to get some steam. But still, in order to make sure
there’s a lot of people there, they booked a main roster match. No offense,
to show probably the worst match. Main roster match to
book on that NXT show, considering what NXT show
flavors are very different. >> Speaker 2: Flavors are very different. >> Speaker 1: So
the crowd was not kind to them. Yeah, unfortunately. But they had a good match. Just wasn’t the kind of wrestling
they were there to see. So Sho comes back after and he, you know,
I don’t know him at all at that point, but I can tell he’s not too happy. You know, he’s a little down. He’s not upset. He’s just a little down that, you know,
didn’t get the most positive response. I was wrestling one Alex Riley. >> Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that Alex Riley. Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Intense individual, right? >> Speaker 2: Very. >> Speaker 1: So I’m wrestling him. He’s the baby face. Nobody likes him. They like me. Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: So whatever. I’m wrestling him. I put him away with a papa powerbomb. That wasn’t quite a pop of
powerbomb because he didn’t. Didn’t really get up for it. So it was.
>> Speaker 1: Whatever it was half up powerbomb. >> Speaker 2: Then Finn Balor comes
out to stop me from attacking Alex Riley some more after the match. >> Speaker 1: You’re picking the bones. >> Speaker 2: Riley rolls out
of the ring to the floor. Finn puts me down, goes up top. He’s about to hit me
with his coup de grace. >> Speaker 1: Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 2: Coup de grâce. Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 1: That’s French
>> Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 2: Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 1: Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 2: It’s actually coup de grâce. >> Speaker 1: Coup de grâce. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
Anyway, I roll out, run away. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And as I turn the corner, because the way the ring is,
there’s a stage, just like at the steakhouse,
probably I have to run around up the. And then to go through the entrance. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: But as I cut the corner, Alex Riley happens to be
on the ground selling. So as I pass, I throw a kick at him. Saw it. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Thought it was the funniest thing. Burst out laughing,
broke his chair right then and there. Come back to him on the ground,
dying of laughter. Everybody circled around
trying to pick him up. Hunter comes to tell me that the kick
you threw at Riley was so funny. Sho broke his chair. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And Sho told me right then and
there, you’re in forever. It was so good. You’re in. And later. And since then, still, we keep in touch. One of the kindest people. Just because I made him laugh. >> Speaker 1: I remember the kick. And I also think it’s funny that
the reason the chair broke is because just the added moment of him
laughing caused it to break. He was so. He was so helpful. >> Speaker 2: I don’t want to be comedy. >> Speaker 1: So 11 shows,
the old school Europe tours. You know, you’d go 17 days door to door,
you do four or five shows, you do TV, you do the other. After a while, they’d split it where,
like, one guy was not on both tours, but in the beginning,
you were on the whole loop. And I wrestled show every single night. And we were outside of our
WrestleMania match, but now we were pretty much married together. And one night,
this rubber chicken comes in the ring, and he’s beating me with his rubber chicken. Fan through it? Fan through it. And I remember him telling me, feet up, and he just smacks me across the face
with it and then spit soda on me. I mean, it’s just a real message. And I decided I’m Gonna stand up for
myself tomorrow. I’ve. This is too much. This is too much. >> Speaker 2: So you were the one
that said, I don’t want to do comedy. >> Speaker 1: So what?
I told him, and I’ll never forget it. And it was one of the greatest lessons
I’ve ever learned in the wrestling business, in any business. I told him we were in the locker
room at a show that randomly, Phil Collins was at as well. I’m sitting there and
he comes in, I go, hey, you know,
I don’t really want to do haha anymore. I don’t. And he just kind of went like, says, okay, well,
can I tell you what to do then? I said, yes, please. I’m thinking, I’ve. We’ve walked this bridge. We’re good.
He goes, well, get over then. And he leaves. And I thought, great, great. Yep, that’s 100%. And then that night, we did more
comedy than we’ve ever done before. I mean, with the chicken somehow was back. It was more than ever. And the crowd was coming in a way that
afterwards, he goes, I don’t know much, but did you hear him? And I said, yes, I did. He goes, that’s when you come back here. And this was so true, and
especially in Europe, because I’ve had such a wonderful
experience in Europe. He goes, when you come back here,
they’ll remember that, they’ll like you, they’ll respect you,
you’ve built an equity with them. And I know. He was telling me, he’s like,
I know you don’t believe me. You probably think it’s, you know,
just filler, but I’m telling you. And he was totally right. And I’ll never forget it. It was one of the best things and ever. It’s so funny that you’re talking
about Big show because you and Big show were two of the first people
to literally raise their hand and say, what do you need to me. So Big show set me on the Hollywood path. Hey, go meet my agent at A.P.A, Jeff,
which is a great legendary agent in LA. Go meet him, Tell him what you want to do. Just a general meeting. He’s my guy. Tell him you’ve left wwe,
you’re looking to get out there. He’ll set you up on some meetings. And he did. And, and it was prolific and
it worked out. And I had no brand value compared. It’s just coming from wwe. These weren’t wrestling people. I was walking into their world. And then you, of course, and we have to talk about it
being here in this conversation with you. You, of course, told me, if you can
talk to Mad Nick, Mad Nick Jackson, the Young Bucks, and
see if there’s anything there. Because we were going to
be in the same places. We were going to be at
Ring of Honor together. The Bullet Club thing had been decided,
or maybe it even hadn’t at that point. >> Speaker 2: I don’t think it had. >> Speaker 1: But I remember telling them,
because we got along and nice, but obviously Matt and
Nick were kind of their own enterprise. They were doing their own thing,
killing the business, all their stuff. >> Speaker 2: Well, so they were right
after I left the independent scene. And I was at the top of
the indies when I left. They were the guys that were right
behind me and took that spot. And before me was Colt. So I bloop. Like, my blueprint was I basically
listened to a lot of Colts advice. >> Speaker 1: Sure.
>> Speaker 2: Colt made me join Twitter. I didn’t want anything
to do with social media. >> Speaker 1: Well,
God bless him for that. Yeah. >> Speaker 2: But at the time,
he was like, get on Twitter. Tweet every day. You gotta,
this is how you’re gonna grow your. Your following this and that. He was ahead of the curve. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Colt created the Colt. I’m the reason why pro
wrestling tees exists. >> Speaker 1: I believe it. >> Speaker 2: Because at the time. Thanks. You’re welcome. >> Speaker 1: Thanks.
Cold, kept out of money. >> Speaker 2: Colt kept telling me,
you got to get T shirts and sell merch. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Because I. What happened is in 2012,
I stopped my day job. Couldn’t work there anymore. Had to go full in Wrestling. Wrestling’s gonna be my
sole source of income. >> Speaker 1: Sure.
>> Speaker 2: I have a kid. I need it. Like, I need it. I lost my job. I don’t know what to do. Colt’s like, get merch. Like, I don’t. I can’t afford it. I can’t afford to pay $500 to
have all these T shirts made. Like, what do I do? Colt talked to, at the time,
the owner of One Hour Teas. >> Speaker 1: Ryan. >> Speaker 2: Ryan. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And told him, look, he had this idea. >> Speaker 1: He.
>> Speaker 2: Like, some wrestlers cannot afford to
make shirts up ahead of time. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And then they came up
with this concept because of me. Colt was trying to help me. >> Speaker 1: Wow.
>> Speaker 2: And then the first on the first ones
on the site were me Bucks, Colt. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And then the site grew and grew and grew. >> Speaker 1: I got bummed out,
by the way, recently, they took my. Finally. I had been on the storefront forever,
and they. >> Speaker 2: Your face was still on. >> Speaker 1: Me and Brandy were still on. >> Speaker 2: How did no one
get furious about this before? >> Speaker 1: I joked with them. Like, that makes sense. But in my heart, I wanted to tell him,
hey, I wish I was still up there. Just because that was such a. I.
>> Speaker 2: Also got sad when they took me down after I left. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a fun thing. >> Speaker 2: We were the pioneers. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
I mean, you. You. The fact that that exists. So people. Not just wrestlers anymore. So many people. What you’re talking about specifically is
making a ton of shirts versus a print to, like, print. To order. >> Speaker 2: On demand. >> Speaker 1: On demand. So, hey, they want 40, you know, they want
300 shirts have been ordered overnight. Great.
We can print them versus making them, sending them to you, paying for them and
having to go out and sell them all. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, because you’re taking. It’s a.
It’s an investment. You’re taking a gamble. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: But then, you know, for me, what was amazing about that
website was from that point on, Ring of Honor got mad at me at the time. Joe cough, bless him, great guy. But we got into it about it,
because at that time, all I would say was, this is my version of
the Undertaker’s WrestleMania streak, which I’ve sold a shirt every single
day since that website opened. And I just. Every day I would tweet, streak. I would tweet. The streaks. >> [LAUGH]
>> I think today’s the day that the streak ends. And always somebody will go,
I’ll go buy a shirt. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Which I never lied. Never. Not once did I tweet,
I think the streak’s ending today. If a shirt had been sold that day, but
if I tweeted, haven’t sold a shirt today, I think the streak’s over, not only-
>> Somebody would show up. >> Not just one person would, though,
cuz everybody would wanna help. So I sell 50 shirts just like that. >> Speaker 2: Crazy. >> Speaker 1: I was paying
my rent every month, every month I wouldn’t have to worry
about my rent anymore because of this. Anyway, so the blueprint was
I followed Colt’s advice. And then after I left the Bucks,
they had made themselves into this entity, this act that it didn’t
matter where they were going. They were a must-see,
people were gonna pay money to see them. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: And
on the independent scene, that was a rare- >> Speaker 2: My God. >> Speaker 1: It was a rare thing. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: To the point where,
I remember 2CW, you’ve wrestled for 2CW? >> Yeah. >> This guy Josh. >> I think. >> Anyway, I loved working for them, they
literally were trying to put the Bucks. They were trying to book the Bucks for
one of their shows. Couldn’t book them Thursdays,
Fridays, Saturdays, they were just too busy Sundays. >> Yeah. >> So they put a show on a Tuesday. And they called it, we’re having a show
on a Tuesday night because it’s literally the only date the young
Bucks were available for. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And they sold out on a Tuesday night
in the middle of a school week. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: That’s why when you left, I said, these are the guys you need to-
>> Yeah. >> And at that point, I’ve been back
in WWE a year and a half, two years. So I wasn’t super in touch with
the independent scene anymore. I don’t know what changed. I don’t know what hasn’t, but I know what hasn’t changed is that
these guys are the most successful. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And they’ll help you because
I know they’re good guys. They’re great guys. They will help you, and God, couldn’t
have guessed what would come out of it. >> Speaker 2: But again, it’s uncharted. >> Speaker 1: Their face
is on a Vodka ball. >> Speaker 2: Cheers to Mad Nick, cheers. For sure.
They deserve that. You mentioned a bunch of stuff that I
wanted to kind of like jump in on, but one of them was the face
of the independents. You were the face. Colt was the face. They were the face. I enjoyed that. Moment. Who do you think now in 2025 is
the face of the independents, Man? >> Speaker 1: I don’t even. I can’t tell you. Cause I don’t. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I don’t follow it enough. And I. I do.
Like, I’m a huge wrestling fan. I try to follow as much
wrestling as I can. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Everything’s changed so
much. >> Speaker 2: It really has. >> Speaker 1: It almost feels, and I know
I’m gonna get in relative trouble for this with the fans, but. >> Welcome to my life. >> Speaker 1: It almost feels like
there is no independent scene anymore. And I know there is. I just don’t know enough about it because
it’s just not what it used to be. A lot of it is because independent talents
of the last few years have been signed. >> Speaker 1: They’re somewhere. >> So-
>> They’re somewhere. >> Speaker 1: I don’t know. And I’m not saying there’s
no independent standouts. I just don’t know. I just don’t know them. And, you know, probably a lot of it is I have less time
to pay attention to wrestling, but I. I wish I had an answer. I really don’t. I don’t really know who’s out there. >> Speaker 2: I feel like. So here’s something that’s kind of caused
me a little bit of pause is looking at it. And that spot was very clear,
what you just described Cody, Kevin. It was clear because anytime
a promotion couldn’t get you on a date, I remember for me, it was Wrestle Circus. They couldn’t get me, and
I said, this is the one date. >> Speaker 1: Texas.
>> Speaker 2: Yep, I said, this is the one date I have. Can you do this? I know it doesn’t fit, and they said for
that they made a show for me to come to, and I remember I had a bunch of caveats. We did a Austin Pets Alive. I had shelter dogs and rescue dogs there. >> I remember that. >> Speaker 2: And one of the basset
hounds, he got brought home. I was so happy cuz he was walking
around with like a adopt me vest on. Amongst hardcore wrestling fans, I’m like,
please, someone adopt this basset hound. And the girl. This is crazy. There’s photos of it. The girl from Austin Pets Alive got in
the ring with me after to say, hey, this Chihuahua, some rescue Chihuahua. And I had done a tack spot. So there’s tacks. There’s one in the back of my head. There’s one in my elbow. I’m bleeding from my back. And I could see her face. She was shaking when she got in the ring. Like, what is this? And why Are people. Why do they want the dogs? And I was like, yeah, like,
the wrestling fans love dogs. They love dogs. They love cats. It ended up a couple dogs
went home that night. But, yeah, that’s always a huge moment. >> Speaker 2: So
I would say I’d shout out, and I know you’re gonna be like, I think
Matt Cardona has held the spot, but what concerns me is-
>> How would I be? >> Speaker 2: I don’t know,
you and him had kind of a Rocky. >> Speaker 1: No, we don’t, I love Matt,
the only thing I’ll say is. >> I didn’t know that. >> Speaker 1: For a guy who loves
being on the Indies so much, he sure talks about how much he
wants to be back in WWE a lot. >> [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 1: That’s all, [LAUGH], can’t call yourself King of the Indies and
you’re going out there telling people. I don’t know why WWE hasn’t signed me,
I don’t get it. If I was them,
I definitely would have signed me. Are you happy or not, dude? That’s it. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I love Matt, no problems. Don’t like his tan,
told him this to his face. >> Speaker 2: You don’t
like a good wrestler tan? >> Speaker 1: No,
Bron Breakker should be arrested. >> Speaker 2: What are you
offended about Bron’s tan? Is it more the color or is it the fact that he is not
putting his arms up in the tanning? >> Speaker 1: None of it’s good. >> Speaker 2: Okay. >> Speaker 1: None of it’s good. >> Speaker 2: You don’t like the tan? >> Speaker 1: No, dude,
you weren’t born that color, I understand if you wanna
be a little darker. >> Speaker 2: Bro, I’ve wrestled with
you where I’m like, eight shades darker. >> Speaker 1: Yeah,
what do you mean you’ve done? >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Okay, well, I’m sure I would
have judged you at that time, too, but I happened to, didn’t see those. But also, if your tan looks like
it could rub off on someone else. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> It’s too much. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: You know what I hate
the most is when I go in the locker room. Try to go to the restroom before a match. I’m walking. I’ve got my boots. >> Speaker 1: This slit, okay. >> Speaker 1: Layer of fake tanner. >> Speaker 2: What you’re
specifically describing is quick tan. Which is what-
>> Speaker 1: Sure, I don’t care the method,
what the method is. Anything that makes you look like that and
then you don’t clean up after yourself or- >> It’s hard to clean up. >> Speaker 1: What about the guys who go
trim their beards or their armpits in front of the mirror before the show and
just leave the hair there? >> Speaker 1: No good. >> Psychopaths. >> Speaker 2: Okay, so
you’re mentioning Quick Tan, which is a product that a lot of
wrestlers use, and I’ve used it before. It’s a really fine mist, but it does get on the floor where you can’t
see it, and it is slippery as can be. >> Speaker 1: It’s disgusting. >> Speaker 2: So wrestlers-
>> Speaker 1: And then it ends up on the ring because you
walk in it or you guys sweat it off. So-
>> Ends up in the ring everywhere. >> Speaker 2: Depends
on when you put it on. The wrestler you’re talking
about specifically, the one who’s causing a slippery floor
in a mess is the dude who throws it on. 30 minutes. >> Speaker 1: Everyone, dude. >> Not everyone. >> Speaker 1: I should be doing this shit,
and no. Who am I fooling? >> Speaker 2: I wanna just rewind us a
second cuz Quick Tan is a big discussion. But we mentioned Matt Cardona. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And you. You mentioned. I would say he’s one of my five. >> Speaker 1: Okay.
>> So you know how I know this? >> How? You never invite me, when you go with
them to Disney, never invite me. >> Speaker 2: You’ve
been to Disney in Japan. >> Speaker 1: Then you blame Matt for it. Did you know this, Matt? This asshole blames you,
says Matt doesn’t want you there. Correct? >> Speaker 2: I have never. >> Speaker 1: Truth or truth. >> I don’t think I’ve ever
said Matt doesn’t want. >> Speaker 1: Liar. >> Speaker 2: No, well, I mean,
you went to Disney Sea with me in Japan. >> Speaker 1: That’s right, in Japan, when you knew Matt was gonna
be nowhere near around. >> Speaker 2: I’ll ask you-
>> Speaker 1: And then we couldn’t corroborate
our story full of shit. >> Speaker 2: I’ll actually reel this
podcast completely in and ask you about, when we were talking about
the independent wrestling scene, you said you did not have the Rhodes name. There’s a reason why I kinda
chuckled in that moment. >> Speaker 1: Cuz on the Independence,
you couldn’t use it. >> Speaker 2: Well, no, no, in the moment,
and the reason I’m chuckling is because there is a photo that’s
out there on the Internet. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, the family photo. >> Speaker 2: Yes, of my entire family. >> Speaker 1: That’s right. >> Speaker 2: Standing
with the dusty statue. And right at the end. >> Speaker 1: I’m glad you bring that up. >> Speaker 2: Right at the end is one
who is technically not family, but. To me is family. >> Speaker 2: Okay.
>> Speaker 1: And that’s you. >> Speaker 2: That’s nice. >> Speaker 3: Yes.
>> Speaker 2: But recently, I heard you tell that story, the story
of the photo on WWE programming, and you definitely, for sure,
let people believe that I just jumped into the picture without being invited into it,
which is inaccurate. Just like your retelling of me kicking
out at one from the disaster kick, when that was one Jon Moxley. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
I needed it to be you. >> Speaker 2: I was the only. And look, I loved your dad. You know this. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And everyone in NXT loved your dad. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: But the morning where they unveiled
his statue at 9am at Access1 NXT, guy that showed up was me,
because I wanted to see it. I wanted to see the statue. And I’m ringside with the fans. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And you go, kevin, get in here. I go, no, like, get in here. All right. Get in the picture. And then you spend years letting people
think that I just jumped into your family picture and ruined this special moment. >> Speaker 1: I invited
you into the photo. I invited you in the photo. I invited Kevin into the photo. >> Speaker 2: This better make it. Do not let that out. >> Speaker 1: And why I invited you
into the photo was because I felt like if you look at the NXT
class of the Dusty’s kids, there’s like,
a really small percentage, actually. He coached a lot, and he did a lot of
promo work with a lot, but there’s really a small percentage that he connected
with and he linked with in a way that. That’s.
That’s my guy. That’s my girl, you know? And I think probably Bailey, Becky, Colby, I feel like it was. It was small. It was a short amount of people
that he would go to a show or he would go to a Triple H or
somebody and say, I. I can take this person. I can get them where they need to go. And you were somebody that
was really special to him. And it wasn’t a matter of. Sometimes with the Dusty skids,
I would be jealous of them. And other times I would look at it and
go, I like that. >> Speaker 2: That.
>> Speaker 1: I’m so glad he connected with that person, because I don’t know if you
know what he would write for. Like, for example,
I know what he wrote for Daniel Bryan. It’s so crazy. They had these reports. Some of them are. >> Speaker 2: They leaked online recently. >> Speaker 1: But these reports,
I remember what he wrote for Daniel Bryan in one of his reports was,
why is this guy here? He’s ready to be on the main roster. That’s it. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: So
I could tell there was no love. Sure. He definitely knew his business. He’s ready, he’s good. He doesn’t need to be here. But when it would come to one
of his people, man, you know, like how you would talk about
Corey Graves, how he would talk about you. It was a really. He needed that. And I always thought,
like, again, here you are. You’re the only one who showed up for
the statue. Unveiling of the statue. >> Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of them were
probably busy doing stuff at accident. For what it’s worth. >> Speaker 1: Also, the statue in my
family is a rather polarizing statue because my mom is not a fan. But all of us thought like, we love it. It’s great.
That’s a good shot of him, you know. >> Speaker 2: I think I had an unfair
advantage in terms of becoming one of Dusty’s guys. Right.
Is. And this is a very
cherished memory I have. It was outside the PC. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I got signed
to NXT in July of 2014. Officially, I got told May. My tryout was in March of 2014. May 12, 2014, Canyon Seaman called me. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Told me, we’re gonna sign you July, end of July,
they brought me in just for a weekend. There’s going to be an NXT
television taping Thursday. They wanted me on Wednesday. Come to the taping Thursday. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Go home Friday. And then, you know, a lot of the class,
a lot of my crop that was getting signed were going to start in
December, but I told them I have to start before that because my kids
would start school in August. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I don’t want to bring
them to the US To a new school system in the middle of the school year. So it’s okay. We’ll start you in August. So I got brought in that weekend with
Finn and Hideo, Kenta and Fergal. And it was super awkward
because what happened. So we just basically trained a few
times that week with, you know, some of the classes. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And then we went
to the NXT show, the TV taping. And at the end of the taping, you know,
it’s the Full Sail Auditorium. So Hunter is having a speech
to all the NXT guys. He literally sits. The auditorium is split. There’s two sections and a staircase in between that goes down
Hunter’s at the bottom staircase. Sits every single NXT people on
one side and sits me, Fergal and Kenta on the other side. Just the three of us
putting the pressure on. And he goes, NXT is becoming
something different, something new. Everyone’s gotta be at the top of their
game because you see those three they’re gonna change everything. It’s like those three come out. Three of you go out. The next day, they fire five people. But I remember seeing that the next
day at the airport, I sat. I was sitting at the gate. I was flying back home. And I had a very stressful day that
morning because my flight was like 2, 3pm but that morning I’m like, okay,
now I gotta find a house for my family and I gotta find a school for my kids. They’re starting in three weeks, so I have to find a house to move into that’s
big enough for my whole family and I. And figure out what their
school’s going to be. So I basically,
at 7 in the morning that Friday, I went. I looked on a website. What’s the best schools in Orlando? Best elementary school is this one. I went to that neighborhood, which
happened to be 20 minutes from the PC, and I looked, okay, on whatever. Zillow, whatever website. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Houses for sale for rent. Because I couldn’t buy. Yeah, there’s a house up there. Then I went and
tried to visit, but, you know, can’t visit a house in
the matter of 20 minutes. Whatever.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no. >> Speaker 2: And
then I go to the airport. I’m super stressed because I’m
trying to make this happen. And I’m sitting and
I see WWE’s release NXT 5 NXT talent. I’m like, holy. They weren’t joking. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And then I swear, it’s so weird. Somebody sits down next to me. So, what do you think? And I turn and it’s Dusty. He was on his way to a convention,
and we’re on the same flight. And then we spent an hour talking. He’s like, whoa, would you. What are you doing? Because he was looking at me. He saw me looking at houses. So I explained this whole thing to him. I got to figure out a way to
get my kids into this school. They’re moving in from Canada. Got to figure out whatever needs to
happen for them to be in that school. Got to figure out a house to rent,
all this stuff. And in that moment, he told me,
no way you can do it. No way you can make that happen. It’s not going to happen. You have three weeks. Can’t do it. Showed up the PC my first day,
opened the door and goes, did you do it? I go, I did. I knew you would. You know what I mean? And then that was it. We spent an hour talking in
that airport just about life, about family, about everything. Not one talk about. Not one word about wrestling. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And that was it, man. I showed up a month later, and
it was like I hadn’t seen him for a month, but it was just like,
you know what I mean? I could already tell there was something. >> Speaker 1: Do you
know what it was like? Do you know what what he probably sensed? >> Speaker 2: I mean, I remember him
telling me that he could feel my family was the real motivation behind all this. >> Speaker 1: So that’s I feel
like he grew up in a generation. He of thrived in a generation where it
was almost in spite of your family. And I don’t mean that in a I guess
your family was supported, but you were out there, you were doing it,
you were living it. And we did it differently. He was very much, this is for my family. Like, this is for them. And I like this. To me,
is the greatest wrestler of all time. And.
And that’s why, you know, like, I don’t think I got good at this,
Kevin, until I had Liberty, you know, Like, I don’t think I saw why. Sorry. I don’t think I saw why I wanted to do it. Everything else was like,
I can get ahead of him. I can get ahead of her,
whatever it may be. But then when I had Liberty, I thought,
like, I don’t need any of that. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
Because it becomes about making sure somebody else has a good life
as opposed to your own personal. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: I want to be. I want to show that I’m a top guy. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Gives a fuck if you’re a top guy. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But you don’t see that until later. And, like, I was the same way, man. Like, I was obsessed with
wrestling my whole life. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And I remember this guy, Neil, he used to wrestle in the Independence
back in Canada’s Beef Wellington. >> Speaker 1: I know, Beef Wellington. >> Right.
So. Neil Wellington. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: So we were friends. We were friendly. We’re friends now, but
at the time, I can’t say. Here’s a tissue. >> Speaker 1: Thanks.
>> Speaker 2: I can’t say. >> Speaker 1: My own damn show. >> Speaker 2: I can’t say we were friends. Like, we had a bit. Because to his. In his opinion, I was a bit of an asshole. Yeah.
When I was training for wrestling before, I had a family. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And maybe I was,
because I knew I was. I knew I was the best in Quebec,
along with Sammy. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: So I don’t know. Maybe I was a bit arrogant. Maybe not. I probably was. I’ll own to it. I was immature. I was immature as well. So his, his, his. In his opinion, I was an asshole. Okay. But I remember him telling
me years later and telling other people once Owen was born,
my son was born. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: He’s like, I changed completely. And he’s like, from that point on, I’ve never had a problem with you
because you were a different person. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And even when wrestling came into play,
everything was different. The way you saw wrestling,
the way you act about wrestling. Because also he would run or he would
book a company, iws, back in Canada. And yeah, before Owen,
I guess I was a certain way about it. And then after Owen,
it was about trying to make money and trying to make sure that this kid has
stuff to eat and toys to play with and. Right.
You said it really does change everything. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
No. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: You set a good life. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Good life. We mentioned our Disney trip. We went to Tokyo. Disneysea. You and I.
And I remember it was fun because I got to. You got to see it kind of
through my eyes with Liberty. But also, Owen was there, so
I got to hang out and talk. Talk to him. >> Speaker 2: Remember,
I texted you after. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. I told you. I wish I could speak to my
son the way you talk to him. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Because raising a kid is amazing, but difficult,
even if they’re a good kid. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Owen’s an amazing kid, but it’s tricky, man. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Always
worried about them up. Always worried about doing something
wrong, saying something wrong. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: And that summer,
I took him to Japan for the first time. It was a dream of his to go to Japan. And, yeah, WWE was kind enough to pay for
his whole travel, first class, everything. Incredible. So I brought him with me, and
then we went on that Disney trip with you. And just seeing you guys interact,
I was like, man, I wish I could interact
with them the way you did. But then I kind of realized later on,
like, it’s not my role. You know what I mean? >> Speaker 1: Well, I feel. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
It was a great day, man. To this day, still just. It was just such a great experience
to first of all, be with you. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Hang out with you. Hang out with Brandy. Liberty was a little standoffish. >> Speaker 1: That photo of her is so
great. >> Speaker 2: I still think she
was looking at Masa mugging you. >> Speaker 1: It might have been. >> Speaker 2: I’m telling you,
she was looking at Masa, not me. >> Speaker 1: Masa.
And when I say we were. We were on that trip with fat ass Masa. >> Speaker 2: Yes. >> Speaker 1: We say that. That’s not a joke. That is the name. He likes to be referred to
as fat ass Masa, my friend. You know what’s so
funny about you saying to me, I wish my. You know,
I wish Owen would talk to you like he is. >> Speaker 2: Well, he talks. It’s.
It’s. He talks to me great. But I don’t think I have. I couldn’t. I like. So weird, man. The way you connected with him is
the way I wish I could connect with him. But then I realized, well, it’s like. It’s a different thing, too. >> Speaker 1: There is dad. >> Speaker 2: There’s a different role. Exactly. >> Speaker 1: So
the way my dad connected with you. Right.
I wish I could have connected with my dad. Sure. But he was my dad. You’re his dad. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: And buddy already. Mission accomplished. A good life. I know we’ve got a lot ahead of us. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: For sure. But, that’s man, for. That was so much fun. So much fun. My gosh. >> Speaker 2: Well, yeah,
it was a great time Cheers, bud. Cheers.
>> Speaker 1: Cheers. he wanted me to ask you how
your figure fed was doing. Because I know you had a figure fed at one
point and on the original KO show before it ever came to WWE television, he wanted
me to ask how it was doing because I know you used breaking real glass
to simulate Steve Austin. I don’t know if you have
your figure fed anymore. >> Speaker 2: It was a glass. I don’t. I left my figures back home. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Now I do collect
figures still, but of my friends. >> I know.
If I go to the store, I see a figure of one of my friends, I. >> Speaker 1: Buy it, get them. >> Speaker 2: Eventually, when I feel
settled in my house, which I am settled, I just haven’t had to think of the time. I’ll put them all up and I’m like, yeah,
be able to look around and go, wow, look at me and my friends. Yeah, this is what we accomplish. Scott, figures of you. I got figures of, you know,
I’ve got the bucks. I got Sammy, I’ve got Finn,
I’ve got Becky, I’ve got Brit. I’ve got a lot of my friends. And I’m like, I can’t wait to put all
these up and think, man, look at all what me and my friends were managed to
accomplish in our lives, you know? So I don’t play with the figures anymore. But yeah, there’s a famous clip on
the Internet of me and one Jimmy Jacobs, who I love, one of my brothers,
one of the guys I would take a bullet for. Where would you take the bullet for,
Jimmy? >> Speaker 1: Yeah, like, where There’s. >> Speaker 2: Well,
I guess there are different levels, but I. Yeah, there’s. There’s different levels. I was taking it right in the heart. Head, heart, whatever. Gotcha.
Okay. Other guy is probably in the shin. The knee. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
Who’s a shin guy? >> Speaker 2: Well, okay,
so in fairness, I got. >> Speaker 1: A couple hard head guys and
then I got some shin guys. Sean Spears. I’m taking it in the ribs for. You know, I’m not. I’m not going down fully. God bless you. On, you know, Julian, Ethan Page. Shin. You know. >> Speaker 2: Man, I’d run away from the. No, that’s not true. I’d probably take a bullet for
almost anybody, but it depends where. Yeah, if you tell me,
I’m gonna shoot you in the foot. It’s either I shoot you in the foot or
I shoot Ethan in the head. I’m like, shoot me in the foot. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: But if it’s. I’ll shoot you in the chest, run. >> [LAUGH] It’s a ridiculous game,
[LAUGH]. >> [LAUGH]
>> Yeah. >> You, Randy, Jimmy, Sami. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Finn,
Becky, all in the heart. >> Speaker 2: It’s weird that you’re
friends with Finn, in my opinion. >> What? >> Speaker 2: No,
because he’s an exceptional human being, one of my favorite people,
and he’s incredibly honest. He’ll send me some messages that I
will treasure for the rest of my life. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Things that I’m like, man, I’m so glad another peer said that to me. I needed him to say that
to me at that time. I have messages from Fergal that I have
saved that almost steal my resolve. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: But it just seems cuz you’re very different. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Very different, but maybe, that’s the way-
>> Speaker 1: Actually, I don’t think we’re that different. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: But I think on the surface,
we look like we’re different. >> Yeah.
>> But at the deeper core, we’re actually very similar. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: And I would say he’s
the person in my life, actually, your dad. So I knew your dad for a very short time. I didn’t have the pleasure
of knowing him long, but I became very close to him very quickly. The next person right after that is Ferg. We became so close so
quickly because the first time I met him, I heard about him for years. The Bucks would talk about him,
all this stuff. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Never met him,
even this is the funny part. The Bucks would talk about him so
positively, so glowingly that I almost didn’t like him. >> Speaker 2: Yeah, of course,
I know that feeling. >> Speaker 1: You know what I mean? >> Yeah, yeah. >> Speaker 1: Then I met him, I was like,
they’re right, this guy rules. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: So, anyway, he became
a very good friend of mine very quickly. So, yeah, he’s. Shoot me in the head. Shoot me in the heart. Whatever you need. I forget where I was going with this. >> Speaker 2: I love how we
listed who’s the shin people. Hey, well,
I don’t know where I Rank on your heart. >> Speaker 1: Heart and head. >> Speaker 2: Good.
Well, that’ll make this next part even better. >> Speaker 1: But wait,
where were we going with this? There’s a reason why we brought this up. >> Speaker 2: I don’t remember. It’s what happens. The Wheatley American Vodka,
God bless him. It’s not water dog. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, the clip. Jimmy Jacobs. I get shot in the face for him any day,
but I’m Doing the interview with him. There’s a very famous clip on YouTube
where I talk about how when I was younger, I would play with my figures. And this one particular day, I wanted to capture the essence
of Stone Cold’s entrance. >> Speaker 2: Of course.
>> Speaker 1: What do I need to do? Playing the music’s not enough. I want an actual glass break. But I chose a coffee mug, which. It’s not glass. >> Speaker 2: No, that’s different. Ceramic. >> Speaker 1: And I threw it at the wall,
which was just drywall. Yeah, not break. Didn’t break. Just got encased, literally. This is the noise, and
the best part, at the time, we were living with my grandparents,
my grandmother, my dad’s at work. My grandmother is sitting on
our rocking chair, thankfully, blissfully unaware of pretty much
anything in life at that point. Unless I yelled at her,
grandma, pizza’s here. She’s not moving from that chair. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: She didn’t hear the [SOUND],
the mug just gets stuck in the wall. >> Speaker 2: Wow. >> Speaker 1: My dad came
home at that exact moment. The disappointment, and
you know what the best part is? He doesn’t remember it,
I think he blocked it out of his head. He was so disappointed. >> Speaker 2: You didn’t know. >> Speaker 1: The disappointment
in his mind when he saw this. And I’m telling Jimmy this story,
and then I reveal, I was waiting-
>> Stun, and briskly walled. >> Speaker 1: Yeah,
let’s do the energy drink. I saw him as he’s about to take
a sip of his drink, and I’m waiting. I’m kind of drawing it
on cuz as I was about to take a sip, I go, I was 17, lost. It came out of his nose, came out, spitzed
it out everywhere, and I was, then I tried to walk it back, by the way, in the clip,
I go, okay, maybe not 17, maybe 14 or 15. I was 17, might have been 18. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: It might
have even been worse. >> Yeah. >> Speaker 1: But his reaction
made me feel a little shameful. >> Of course. >> Speaker 1: But, yeah, I used to have an
ephed, I don’t anymore, but Jamie Noble. >> Still does. >> Speaker 1: Has a great one. >> Speaker 2: I don’t know
if we wanna draw, he does. >> Speaker 1: What do you mean? We don’t want to draw attention to it? Yes, we do. >> Speaker 2: He does. >> Speaker 1: He loves to
have more attention on it. >> Speaker 2: He does. >> Speaker 1: Find Jamie
Noble’s Instagram. Is it Instagram? >> Speaker 2: I think is
where he’s finishing. >> Find it. >> Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: This guy’s booking shows, the blow. >> Speaker 2: Talented producer,
by the way, right? >> Speaker 1: Great, [CROSSTALK] amazing, I’ve tried to be attack team with
him on television for years. The closest we came is
When I punched Waller and Theory in the face at the same time,
Jamie was part of it. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And I was like, that’s it. This is our debut. We were on TV together,
we’re just gonna keep rolling with it. >> Speaker 2: I like how you try
to be a tag team with Jamie, one that I’ve been trying for
years and just not gonna happen. I keep trying to get Abyss. >> Abyss? >> Into the Royal Rumble. >> Speaker 1: Well, yeah,
it came so close one year. >> Speaker 2: I know, I know. >> Speaker 1: I just think it’s too late. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
Some things are. >> Speaker 1: He lost too much weight. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: He’s. I think putting him in
the ring at this point, when he walks that way would be illegal. But we love Chris. Chris Park. >> Speaker 2: We do.
We talked about him on the one with Priest because he’s. He’s such a unique producer agent to get. >> Just-
>> Yeah, uh-oh. >> During the pandemic era, he was
a producer a couple of times for me. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And I’m the kind of guy who wants to figure
shit out at the last second, last minute. >> Speaker 2: We should talk about that,
by the way. >> Speaker 1: Okay. >> Speaker 2: We should talk about this. But I will say me and you are polar
opposites in terms of preparation. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And you and Sami, who, I’ve loved that we’ve gone this
whole pod without really touching. >> Speaker 1: Amazing. >> Speaker 2: Because clearly Sami. >> Speaker 1: So this is the Stun and
Walk away a little bit. >> Speaker 2: Stun and
Walk away, thank you, sir. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Again, our friends at Wheatly American
Vodka, thank you, Stun and Walk away. >> Speaker 1: This is the most I’ve drank
in at least five years, if not more, five years, what am I saying? >> Speaker 2: I can tell you,
and I’m with you. >> Speaker 2: Whoa. >> Stunning, maybe run. >> Speaker 1: Well, no, I can’t,
now more than ever, not run. >> But you and Sami. >> Stun and definitely get an Uber home. >> Speaker 2: You and Sami are so,
so on a different timetable. >> [LAUGH]
>> Speaker 2: It’s like rap time, I will be there at noon and
be thinking of what we’re doing and then talk to the person that
we’re working with and whatever. And then Sami, and here’s I wanna
completely round this out for people so they know there’s really no
wrong and there’s really no right. >> Speaker 1: There’s definitely-
>> Speaker 2: But then, Sami- >> There’s a right to 90% of the people, and then there’s a 10% that
will not think we’re wrong. >> Speaker 2: But no, no, here’s why I
think there’s no wrong and no right, because Sami will be at
the last minute wanting. >> Will show up at 3:30 PM. >> Wanting to change
a fundamental massive- >> 40 seconds before we go out. >> Speaker 2: Right before, and he is
taping his wrist as his music is playing. >> Speaker 1: No, but wait. What if we do this instead? Yeah.
And then we’re in gorilla. The music’s playing. He’s like, we gotta go. No, no, but here. No, but just duck that and then throw it. It’s the.
Okay, he got it. Did he get it? >> Speaker 2: It’s
the opposite of my life hey. >> Speaker 1: Jamie, Jamie, can you
tell the ref to tell him to duck and then throw? Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: It’s the opposite of my life Are. >> Speaker 1: We saying too much? >> Speaker 2: Not at all, and full of
meat, I’ve got my aminos, I stretched out, I’ve oiled up, I’m ready to go. It’s the opposite of my life but here’s what-
>> I’ve never stretched. >> Speaker 2: Here’s what I’ve discovered. >> Speaker 1: Of course, here’s what
I’ve discovered, especially with you and Sami, you will go out there,
and it will still be magical. And it’s one of those like I use R-Truth,
I use Miz, I’ll use those two as an example. And obviously, Sammy, the process of putting something
together might be difficult. The process of getting together and
the whole conversation and the pre production might be arduous. But man in the moment,
gosh, that was magic. And Sammy, I will watch sammy like a 2seg,
especially when I move to Smackdown. He’ll be in a two seg or a three
seg match and I’ll be watching him. And he is one of the few, like, he almost reminds me of
Barry Windham from back in the day. He’s one of the few that if that
crowd was a little subdued by Seg to. >> They’ll be awake. He’s got him. And I’m like, dude,
I don’t do it the way he does. >> Speaker 2: That was our job when
we were Raw Tag Team Champions. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Or
when we’re Tag Team Champions. We had a bit of a shit run. I remember before we won the titles,
we kept saying, we just hope we can live up to the USO’s,
what. What the USO’s did. Yeah.
And we didn’t. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: But our role as Tag Team
Champions at the time was closing out Raw, and it didn’t matter. Raw’s a long show. >> Speaker 1: Give them something. >> Speaker 2: 3 hours. Give him something. Make sure they’re awake by the end. And, dude, watch that bit. And we wrestle judgment day
about 17 times in a row. We had them rocking every time. And 95% of that credit for
that goes to Sammy. And it’s funny because you
keep bringing up Priest. No one hates that process. >> Speaker 1: My God. More than Damian Water. He will. >> Speaker 2: My God. I’ve seen.
>> Speaker 1: But here’s the magic. You’re in the match together. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: So oil and water. And then you get out there and like. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. And then we come back and
they’re like, it worked. I’m like, of course it worked. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: I’m glad you brought up Miz, though, cuz. You know what, dude? >> Speaker 1: Never count them out, dude. >> Speaker 2: There’s a guy. If there’s one guy that
doesn’t get enough credit. Yeah, it’s him. Even me. I’ll fully admit this, and I. I think I’ve told Mike before, I watched
WWE from the outside looking in when I was an independent wrestler,
hoping to get to wwe. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And I’d see Miz and go, how the is this guy? Main eventing WrestleMania? How the is this guy? Always in the top angles? How the? Dude, I know why. Once I worked once, I was like. >> Speaker 1: That’S why he’s amazing. >> Speaker 2: We talked about
making everything work. He is the epitome of that amazing. He’ll say yes to anything. He’ll make it work. He’ll do it good. And, dude, he has amazing matches. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: He had a match with Gunther in Chicago. >> Speaker 1: I remember. >> Speaker 2: Miz, do you think? You look at Gunther and
you look at Miss, they got him. You think those guys do you look
at Gunther, you think, hey, I can’t wait to see him wrestle. Miss is probably the bottom of the list. Sure, dude. They killed it. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Killed it. And guess what? That’s true with almost everyone. Miz can do that with anybody. It’s funny because he does
not get Enough credit. >> Speaker 1: I had one of
the rare bad matches with him, and it’s completely my fault. But I will say this. I had.
At the school one time, I had a kid, kind of. He said something snide about Mike,
and I thought, you know what? This is a good teaching moment. And I walked out after I was done,
I was like, hey, just so you know, if you look at the amount of time and
equity and ability and also, we’re in a season
right now where WWE is cool. Everybody loves WWE. WWE’s great. There have been seasons
where that’s not the case. And there was Mike, there was Miz. I mean, he’s one of those. He reminds me. There’s a couple others. I mentioned this to
Natty Neidhart not long ago. She was talking about her book. You know, when Natty eventually
goes in the hall of Fame, I’ll probably stand up for
three minutes clapping for her. When Miz goes in the hall of Fame,
I’ll stand up for. That’s going to be very special
because he’s so unique and he’s so. I gotcha. >> Speaker 1: There’s
only one speed with him. You know what I’m saying? It’s a special thing because they also. >> Speaker 2: Natty, too. Same thing.
They do it in a way that’s not spectacular. It’s not extravagant. They’re just super solid all the time. They’re super reliable all the time. Consistent all the time. So much so that you don’t even notice it. Yep.
You kind of take it for granted, but, man, like, I remember Mike putting
on matches with Roman and Seth and Finn for
the IC title every week on Raw for a period of time where you think,
Roman versus Seth. That’s going to be a barn burner. Roman versus Finn, barn burner. Seth versus Finn, barn burner. Seth versus Mike, Roman versus Miz. But why? Because he does it every time. You know why, dude? Because he doesn’t go around
telling everyone he’s the best. And I’m not saying Roman and
Seth do, which they kind of do. Finn definitely doesn’t,
but they can say it. Yeah, Mike doesn’t do that, dude. Mike does what he’s asked to do
all the time, as good as he can. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Natty’s the same way, dude. Natty can go with anyone. >> Speaker 1: You use
the word consistency. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: To me, I tell a lot of my students,
I’m like, man, it’s not just about
hitting it that one night. It’s about, can you hit it. The next night. Hey.
Because my dad, I remember he used to tell people,
he’s like, what are you doing? Main event WrestleMania? He joke with me,
what are you doing the next night? And I thought, like, isn’t it. Doesn’t it in main eventing WrestleMania? Not at all. >> Speaker 2: In terms of this business,
follow up’s more important. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Dude, consistency is. Consistency is actually
sometimes plays against you. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. >> Speaker 2: Because if you’re too
consistent, then it becomes normal. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: People expect you to kill it. So when you do, it’s barely noticed. >> Speaker 1: Special guy. >> Speaker 2: You know what I mean? >> Speaker 1: For sure. Well, the first thing I want to do is I
meant to do it in kind of a more special way, but it’s even better now
because you’re drinking and you don’t drink that often. And that’s the stun and briskly walk. >> Speaker 2: Stun.
Get a taxi home and don’t drive. >> Speaker 1: Stun an Uber. Yes. >> Speaker 2: Buckle up. Put your. Put your blinkers on. People signal you’re going right, left. Just let the person behind you know. >> Speaker 1: God, that’s great advice. >> Speaker 2: My son’s
just got his license. He’s brand new driver. He’s better than about 90 of
the Florida drivers out there. >> Speaker 1: Not a great driver. >> Speaker 2: Wake up. >> Speaker 1: Not a great driving state. Are you gonna say yeah, well, no. Okay. The PSA on blinkers, we do like that. >> Speaker 2: I do believe that. >> Speaker 1: And I believe you too. >> Speaker 2: I drove away from Sammy
during the WrestleMania buildup. Drove away angrily. He told me he loved me. I didn’t care. I slammed the door. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: And before I drove off, quickly buckled up, and
as I pulled out, put my blinker on. People noticed it. They said he’s angry, but
still buckled up and put his blinker on. Because that’s what you do. You don’t let emotions
get the best of you. You stay safe. >> Speaker 1: I’ll say this,
they haven’t used it for TV yet and it’s bumming me out, but I pitched that
idea a long time ago of you because you were doing all your promos in your car. >> Speaker 2: Yes.
>> Speaker 1: I pitched this idea a while ago and I’m waiting for them to use it. Of you pulling into the arena side ramp
where we can clearly see you in one of your many beautiful vehicles and
you still do the promo on your phone. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And then back away and leave. And then you back away safely. Clearly. And Lee, I still. Because I just love the idea. I like that idea of you sitting in
a car and you clearly could get out and go to the ring, but no,
you’re gonna do it how you do it. >> Speaker 2: I Also, in the WrestleMania
buildup, I wanted to do one of those in my car and have Randy just blow
through me in a truck, smash it. I was willing to let
the Lamborghini go for it. They said no. So I broke my neck. So everything went wrong. >> Speaker 1: You wanna talk about that? >> Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. But what were you gonna say first? >> Speaker 1: Well, no, I actually. More than anything. >> Speaker 2: Okay, let’s go. >> Speaker 1: It’s yours to
tell the world where you’re at. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
I don’t know, man. It’s been such a frustrating process. We’re kind of trying to let. We’re letting my spinal cord heal
as much as we can on its own. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Before we go on for the surgery, because the extent,
how extensive the surgery will be depends on how my spinal cord
looks when we go in there. So we waited. The trauma happened in January. Well, probably it was building up. Right.
But January is what made it, you know, what really did it. Then we had this nice and easy ladder
match where nothing crazy happened at all. And I kept going for a while. And then in the first week of
April is when we had the mri and they were like, guess what? You can’t even get hit. Don’t even get hit, cuz you might die. So everything took a turn. And now it’s been three months since then,
since my last match. March 1st was my last match. So March, April, May. It’s been four months almost. Yeah. We’re waiting till mid
July to do the surgery. Hopefully it’s a normal neck fusion. It might not be. We don’t know. So. Since then, I felt fine,
my neck’s been fine. I’m not in pain. I have no. Really any symptoms of what you would
expect somebody with a spinal cord injury have. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: To have. But in the last week, we were
texting about this two days ago and you asked me for details and
a classic Cody move. I didn’t answer you. I left you hanging. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: In the last week, for some
reason, the symptoms all came in one shot. Every symptom you’d expect me to have. The pain in the neck,
the stuff going down, the arms, the legs not really responding. It’s all been happening. So it’s been pretty brutal. I’m really. I can’t wait for the surgery and then to
move forward, whatever that looks like. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: But it’s been very frustrating
cuz I felt great. So we had two incidents where basically in
the ring my legs kind of fell asleep and I was like, there’s something wrong. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: We thought it was one thing,
which is why we didn’t go right away for the neck because it wasn’t
consistent with a neck injury. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
I remember you telling me about your legs. >> Speaker 1: Looked at everything
else and we figured out it’s not that. Let’s go, let’s take a look at the neck. And then it was that. But besides those two instances where my
legs kind of fell asleep in the ring, I felt great. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: So
I’d have doctors call me and I’ve been very fortunate to have Randy tj,
you know, and WWE know Jeffrey Das put me in
touch with all the best spine surgeons. They have. They’re great. I’ve spoken to all these
different surgeons. They give me their opinions and
what they would do. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: All in the hopes that I
can get back in the ring and be safe. So I have all these opinions,
but all of them were like, so you don’t have any symptoms? I’m like, no. Except for that time my legs fell asleep. I’m fine now. They.
They came back. No pain, nothing. No discomfort. I’m great.
>> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: The last
week everything hit. So now it’s like a different story. I’m like,
now I can’t wait to get the surgery. Not just because I want
to get back in the ring, just because I want to not be in pain. >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is helping. This is great though. This might be the key. >> Speaker 2: It can get you through the-
>> Feel great right now. Get you back in the ring. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I’ll mention this because
when we wrestle at the Royal Rumble and we did the ladder match, we had talked
about you had said, like, my legs. I just. It was always a kind of
like a unique symptom. My legs just feel like they’re,
like, dragging under me. And then I remember I felt like I got a
sense that it might have been more serious because of mutual friend Kathy Kelly. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I remember after that match,
I came back and I was looking for you, and I wanted to make sure you,
you know, you were okay. And I remember I wanted to update her,
too. I just felt like I needed to update her. And the way she looked at me was like. My mom used to look at me
the way she looked at me. She was like, yeah,
we need to make sure he’s okay. And the way she said it,
I thought, got it. Yeah.
Like, I’m with you. I’m with you. But it was. She values that relationship so much. Your friendship. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: Well, so she’s like, got it. We’re gonna find out, you know, like. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, she’s a good friend. But also, we went through something
pretty traumatic together. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: And in that it sounds silly when we talk
about the cart flipping and Saudi. Flipping and Saudi in the middle of
the desert, in the middle of the night. It seems mundane, right? You flipped around in a golf cart. >> Speaker 2: You don’t. >> Speaker 1: It was wild, man. And as we were flipping. What?
>> Speaker 2: I was mad at you. >> Speaker 1: The first thing that went to
my head is me and Jamie Noble, by the way, if you want to take a tumble in the desert
in a golf cart with people, Jamie Noble, Kathy Kelly, best people. You could do it with. Entertainment value. And also,
if this is the last moment we have, these are pretty good crew to go out with. But Jamie and I sit in the back. The guy, the driver tells us,
okay, put your seat belts on. If we start flipping, if we start rolling,
it probably won’t happen. But if we start rolling,
just make sure you keep your arms in. Okay. After he gave us the safety briefing,
Kathy jumps in, doesn’t get the safety briefing,
but whatever. She buckles up, she’s in the front. We start going, yeah,
we’re not gonna roll. Why would we roll? Going through the dunes. Great time, amazing time. And then as we go up a dune, I see the bu. Front of us almost go. And in my head, I go, we’re going to go. And as we start going, in my head, I go,
Kathy doesn’t know how to keep her hands in, so I just reached around and
grabbed her arms. And as we’re rolling,
I’m holding on to her. So I think that’s why she was so
concerned about the Royal Rumble is cuz I. I didn’t save her life,
I didn’t save her arms, but I tried to make sure she was safe. And then both of us experienced this
incredible thing, which is we’re upside down in the golf cart, we’re sand pouring
down our face, our ears, everything. And all we hear is Jamie Noble going,
my ribs, my ribs. My ribs. My. I’m okay. >> Speaker 2: I love how you’ve described
a near death experience with CK and Jamie Noble. >> Speaker 1: And then I’m the last
one in the golf cart, by the way. They pull Jamie out, they pull her out. I’m literally just sands
pouring on my face. I’m stuck in the seatbelt. And guess whose voice I hear? >> Speaker 2: Who? >> Speaker 1: Take one guess. >> Speaker 2: I would not even. >> Speaker 1: Is he okay? Hey, Kevin, are you in there? Is Kevin in there? Sami Zayn trying to tell people,
where’s Kevin? I’m like, I’m in here. Where do you think I am? He’s like, hey, dude, you gotta get out. I’m like, I’m upside down. And he’s like telling people how to move. You know what I mean? It’s terrible. Man. >> Speaker 2: Man.
>> Speaker 1: But then the first face I see as I stand up,
Sammy saying, dude, are you okay? >> Speaker 2: I have so
many fun Sammy stories. >> Speaker 1: Who doesn’t? >> Speaker 2: He’s a special soul. >> Speaker 1: He is. Yeah. >> Speaker 2: During that period of time,
we worked, we wrestled, we were so fortunate that we got to
bring back the winged eagle. >> Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. >> Speaker 2: And
we got to really bring it back. >> Speaker 1: My God. As soon as you brought it back,
my first thought was, how do I attach myself to this
when it has nothing to do with me? >> Speaker 2: That’s perfect,
because I’m going to try to steal it. >> Speaker 1: And that’s what happened. >> Speaker 2: You did. >> Speaker 1: So you got the best. We got the best of it, world. So you got to bring it back. Yeah, I got to steal it,
be on TV a bunch with it. Then you got to take it back. But I was really hoping
you’d get to keep it. We talked about this. >> Speaker 2: Well, so I did. >> Speaker 1: No, but I meant on tv. I was hoping, moving forward,
that would be it for you. You.
That’s the one you get to carry. >> Speaker 2: I think there’s some reasons
maybe, and not just the company reasons, these are some reasons. From a aesthetic point,
I didn’t get to keep it, but I did keep. >> Speaker 1: Yeah,
you have the actual title. >> Speaker 2: And
I would love to give it to you. >> Speaker 1: No,
we’ve talked about this before. >> Speaker 2: Well, too bad, buddy. Cuz it’s right there in that box. >> Speaker 1: I’m not taking it. >> Speaker 2: It’s right
there in that box. >> Speaker 1: I’m not taking it. I was just talking to Ben about me. I asked Ben to give it to me so
I could frame it for you. So.
And he never did. >> Speaker 2: And that basically,
I asked about framing it for you, and you know me rather behind when it comes
to anything, especially answering texts. But, yeah, no, I wanted you to have it. That’s ours. >> Speaker 1: I can’t take it. >> Speaker 2: Well, you are taking it,
and I’m gonna sign it. Do we have a Penske? But this is our one. >> Speaker 1: I’ll take it
because you’re signing it. >> Speaker 2: That was.
>> Speaker 1: That’s the only reason. I’ll take it.
>> Speaker 2: That was always the plan. >> Speaker 1: All right.
>> Speaker 2: Is we’ll sign it and then in case. Yeah, but that’s our one. Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Thanks, man. >> Speaker 2: I had it on the bus. >> Speaker 1: I know you did. >> Speaker 2: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Because I kept asking Ben, how do we get it? >> Speaker 2: I get it on the bus. Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Well,
that means a lot, dude. And I’ll definitely find a way to leave
it on the bus another time when you won’t notice. >> Speaker 2: We’re gonna double sign it. And because you were the guy who got to. There it is. >> Speaker 1: You know what
the sweetest part of it was? Is doing the thing with Sean at
Saturday night’s main event. >> Speaker 2: My gosh.
>> Speaker 1: With it? >> Speaker 2: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Dude, that was so cool. I was.
Dude. >> Speaker 2: Also, it wasn’t forced. Hey, we’re going to bring it back for
Saturday night’s main event. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: Great. That’s cool. You know what? He took it. Let’s keep it going. >> Speaker 1: Well, to you, it wasn’t forced because you were
only part of one tiny bit of it. I feel you had to Triple H. Probably tell you it was forced cuz I kept
telling, [LAUGH] please can I steal it? Please, Can I steal it? Let’s do a ladder match. If I steal it, we could have two titles,
then we could do a ladder match. Can I steal it? I know.
I think this title for you is special. The same reason it is for
me is because when I. Well, maybe not actually because you
grew up watching your dad wrestling all kinds of different promotions with
all kinds of different world titles. When I started watching wrestling, this
was the ultimate title, it’s the title of Brett and Sean and all those guys were
trying to get until it changed over. >> Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Steve won it, and then they switched it. >> Speaker 1: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: But to me, that’s the title that I dreamed
of winning when I was younger. Actually, funny enough, the title I
originally dreamed of winning and that I would win in my bedroom against
my pillows and teddy bears all the time, was the original Intercontinental. Well, not original, but
the Intercontinental title with the white strap, which I ended up being able to
hold because someone brought it back. You remember who that person was? >> Speaker 2: I did, I brought it back. >> Speaker 1: It was you, of course,
so of course you’d bring that one. >> Speaker 2: Well, this one’s yours,
but, yeah, that’s for you. >> It’s amazing. Thank you. >> Speaker 2: There you go. I kept the inscription. Pretty simple. >> Speaker 1: I love you too, buddy. That’s amazing. It’ll be available on ebay very soon. >> Speaker 2: What’s so
funny is that that’s the winged eagle and you-
>> Which, by the way, every eagle has a wings. >> Speaker 2: Well, this one’s-
>> Winged eagle title. >> Yeah, it’s a winged eagle. You. You grew up. It’s. I liked it for a different reason
than you liked it, but I know when one of the big connections you have
to, it is Bret Hart, who is your friend. So how’s that like growing
up loving someone? The hitman. Well, the excellence of execution. And now this person is in your life and
your friend and a luminary figure that you have. >> Speaker 1: One thing
that’s very important for me is not overstating relationships. >> Speaker 2: Well, you shouldn’t on
this show because we like to exaggerate. >> Speaker 1: We’re friendly. I’ll text Brett. He’ll text me back. We have a great relationship. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I can’t say he’s my friend, I wish I could. >> Speaker 2: Workplace proximity
>> Speaker 1: And more than that, because that’s somebody I admire greatly. >> Speaker 2: Of course.
>> Speaker 1: And I know if I ever needed advice, I could go
to him and he would gladly give it to Me? >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: If he ever said we’re friends, then I’d be like,
brad Hart’s my friend. But I don’t feel comfortable saying
he’s my friend until he says it. >> Speaker 2: Okay.
>> Speaker 1: See what I mean? Out of respect. >> Speaker 2: Totally. >> Speaker 1: But growing up, ironically
enough, I was not a Bret Hart fan at all. >> Speaker 3: No.
>> Speaker 1: But there’s a great reason
I was an Owen Hart fan. >> Speaker 1: Okay,
I thought you were gonna get Sean. >> Speaker 1: No, well, I was a Sean guy-
>> But you were now a- >> It all started at WrestleMania 11. First tape my dad rented,
which made me want to be a wrestler. And at the end of that tape,
I saw Sean, or right before the end, which was, by the way. >> BamBam.
>> They should have been Main Event, but whatever. Lawrence Taylor could wrestle. >> Speaker 2: Who gives a.
I stand. >> Speaker 1: Bam.
Bam. Got his Main Event,
though, which he deserves. >> Speaker 2: I do stand apart,
I like it, bam, bam. >> Speaker 1: The match was fine,
Bam Bam, deserved to be the main event. But to me, what blew my mind,
what changed my life, was Shawn Michaels. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Smallest guy on the show. Best guy on the show at the time. I was tiny, scrawny kid. Like, if he can do it, I can do it, too. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: But then. And then I start backtracking,
going renting tapes from the year before. So then I watched
Royal Rumble from that year, which has Bret Hart versus Diesel for
the WWE Championship. And Brett, at one point, tries to tie
up Diesel’s legs with the camera wires. >> Yeah.
>> I was upset he’s cheating. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: How can this guy cheat? >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Then Owen jumps in and
attacks his older brother. I have an older brother? >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Ten years older, used to
beat the shit out of me, which is fine, I love him, we let bygones be bygones. But at the time,
I don’t like my older brother. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Beats the shit out of me. Bret Hart’s the older brother. Owen’s trying to keep him from cheating. Owen Hart’s my guy. So you see what I mean? Automatically, Shawn Michaels fan, Owen
Hart fan, can’t really be a Bret Hart guy. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: But I knew he was a great wrestler. I knew he was a talented wrestler,
and then years later, obviously, unless Bret Hart’s a great guy,
[LAUGH] I met him. So now I’d like to say he’s my friend,
but growing up Canadian, you’d think, was I a huge Brett Carr guy? Not necessarily. >> Speaker 2: So that’s crazy to me. I thought you would be,
cuz I was a Sean guy. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: Yeah. I was a Sean guy. I was a stone cold guy. That’s another thing. Stone cold fan. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: More than anything,
I was a ringmaster fan. You know, few people can say that. >> Speaker 2: I actually can join you
in that because I knew of Steve right before I didn’t. >> Speaker 1: Because I hated wcw. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I could not stand wcw. Wouldn’t watch it,
refused to acknowledge it. Yeah. Yeah.
It’s so funny how life works out, eh? >> Speaker 2: It is. >> Speaker 1: Yeah.
And now I have this because you brought it back. Yeah.
>> Speaker 2: The Wayne Eagle. >> Speaker 1: And you brought
back the Intercontinental title, which I also got to hold. Mount Rushmore of Fanatics,
your Fanatics Mount Rushmore. And that can be jerseys, you know,
in terms of hockey, baseball, football, whatever it may be. Or it can be wrestling gear,
your Mount Rushmore of, we’ve had people say Austin316,
that classic shirt, the NWO classic shirt,
things like that, your Mount Rushmore. >> Speaker 1: If we’re going with just WWE
wrestlers or wrestlers in general, but WWE wrestlers who I’d like
a autographed jersey of. You know what I mean? >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I go with Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels. >> Speaker 2: There he is. >> Speaker 1: I’m gonna go with four. Same thing. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels,
Randy Orton and Becky Lynch. >> Speaker 2: That’s a great crew. >> Speaker 1: Great four. >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is there any version of your Fanatics
Mount Rushmore in terms of jerseys, like a hockey jersey that you’d put on
your Mount Rushmore, your big four? >> Speaker 1: So I’m not a big sports guy. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I did follow hockey when I was a kid, and then wrestling happened. I couldn’t care less
about any other sports. I got back into hockey recently. Got season tickets to the Habs. Got season tickets to the Lightning. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: I’ve been watching. >> Speaker 2: I love
that you’re a Tampa guy. >> Speaker 3: Now. >> Speaker 1: So as far as hockey goes, because it’s really the only
sport I know enough about. When I was a kid,
I loved Mario Lemieux and Patrick Roy. >> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> Speaker 1: So it’d be one of those two. Can’t really pick which one. >> Speaker 2: That’s great.
>> Yeah, well, you get- >> Let’s say those two, yeah. >> Speaker 1: There you go. >> Speaker 2: For
our viewers and listeners, whoever is on your Mount Rushmore,
you can get all your favorite jerseys and >> Speaker 2: We have to keep it-
>> Speaker 2: During Stardust, like, I needed a little bit of a mental
edge on how bad I was being treated, even though maybe it wasn’t that bad. But I kicked Kevin with a disaster kick,
and he kicked out before I even. Like as I covered his chest,
he kicked out right away. And that was during the NXT Sami Zayn
era of you’re not here to earn a spot, you’re here to take a spot, so
I hated all of them with a passion. But the truth of the story is it
wasn’t Sammy, it wasn’t Kevin. It was Jon Moxley who did it. And Jon Moxley is awesome. So I’m not. No, that’s the story. >> Speaker 1: Also,
remember we talked about Big show earlier? >> Speaker 3: Yeah. >> Speaker 1: Funny enough, wasn’t Big
Show kinda the reason, wasn’t wrestling him in his hometown as Stardust, the kind
of the straw that broke the captain. >> Speaker 2: It’s one of
the straws that broke that, yeah, there’s a couple of them. There’s a moment where I remember
Charlotte asked me, can I meet one of her? She had brought a little kid to the show,
can I meet this kid? I said, yeah. And she goes, hey, he’s Stardust. And I could see the kid was like,
who is this? And I remember thinking like, no. Not only does he really not know Stardust,
he doesn’t know what I was doing prior. Gotta go. That was one of. There was a bazillion reasons. Road dog. Road Dog and I have a great relationship. So to this day it’s one
of my favorite stories. But when I went to him asking what’s
the finish on me and Zack Ryder for the 11th time on Main event? And he goes, hey, man,
does it really matter? I remember thinking, yep, got it. And I remember I told Cardona after
I said, you up, Rough Rider and walked out the door and
I didn’t come back. I’m here with Kevin Owens,
my guest, of course. I like to think of myself and
Wheatley Botkins, the American Dream Team. I always ask people,
what is your American Dream Team? >> Speaker 2: What are we doing? >> Speaker 1: So here’s. I’ll go ahead and give it to you. Some people say,
this is my team of people. I’m preparing for
the zombie apocalypse with other people. From a wrestling perspective,
I say, hey, who. Who’s your War games team? So that you don’t have. We’ve had everything. We’ve had like 100 people. We’ve had four. Who’s your team? >> Speaker 2: I need. I need more boundaries. Give me at least more qualifiers. >> Speaker 1: I’m on four
people to go with you. You’re going into it. Who’s it going to be? >> Speaker 2: Man, it’s very hard to pick. Just even with this boundary,
it’s almost impossible to pick four. >> Speaker 1: I know.
That’s why I’m just going to go. >> Speaker 2: With WWE
wrestlers who I pick for. >> Speaker 1: Survivor Series and
I’ll go ahead and qualify for you. Kevin’s answer might change over time. Well, but here are four guys
you’d go into it with today. >> Speaker 2: The only reason it wouldn’t
change is because now I’m also going to use that as a cop out because
it’s a Survivor Series team and we don’t do mixed match,
mixed gender matches. That automatically eliminates Becky. And no ladies. So they can’t be in it. But you guys will totally be in it. >> Speaker 1: No ladies. >> Speaker 2: So
Survivor Series current WWE talent. You, Randy, Sammy, Finn. >> Speaker 1: Easy, dude. We’d smoke the field. >> Speaker 2: That’s right.
And ringside, as our manager making his debut,
Michael Kirschenbaum. Wow. >> Speaker 1: We smoked the field. >> Speaker 2: There’s doesn’t matter. Randy. >> Speaker 1: All 800 pounds. >> Speaker 2: Doesn’t matter. Who else is there. The field.
It does not matter. Who else is there. >> Speaker 1: I love that. >> Speaker 2: That’s right. Okay. >> Speaker 1: This is. I don’t know if you’ve watched the show. >> Speaker 2: Is this going to
be at the end of our episode? >> Speaker 1: It is.
>> Speaker 2: Because I’m about To crack this Cody Rhodes bottle. >> Speaker 1: Dude, go. >> Speaker 2: But it’s happening. >> Speaker 1: I feel like. Man. I feel like you’re allowed to
do anything here on this pod. >> Speaker 2: I know.
I have a flight. Exactly.
I’m not flying the plane. >> Speaker 1: Talent relations. >> Speaker 2: And they’re driving me. There’s here. >> Speaker 1: Here is a. Sorry. It’s a jingle that. We got it. >> Speaker 2: If it makes it, you got it. >> Speaker 1: All right, so here’s. >> Speaker 2: Cody will pay for
Whatever, bro. >> Speaker 1: I don’t think it broke. Here’s a jingle brought to you by our
friends at Wheatley American Vodka. Want you to watch it and I’ll ask. I’ll ask you to replace. >> Speaker 2: That should
not be a bar check. >> Speaker 1: Replace a word at the end. >> Speaker 2: This song right here is for
the red, white and blue. You got good taste and
you drink like it, too. Wheatley so good. I drink it. American Vodka. >> Speaker 1: All right.
So Wheatley Vodka. >> Speaker 2: Very catchy. >> Speaker 1: It is, right? These are good folks here, by the way. Yeah, Wheatley’s so good. I drink it neatly. So if you could replace the word neatly,
what do you replace it with? Wheatley so good. I drink it naked. Well, you that for sure. Naked. >> Speaker 2: I don’t
drink anything naked. I’m never naked. Why would I do that to people? But I drink naked. >> Speaker 1: You’re actually not
the first person to say naked. >> Speaker 2: Don’t
tell me Priest said it. >> Speaker 1: Nope.
My wife said. >> Speaker 2: Okay, that’s fine. I’ll agree if I can. I don’t mind. Brandi, If Priest had said it,
we’d change my answer. >> Speaker 1: What’s your best friend? >> Speaker 2: I know that we can’t. We’re so connected. We would have said the same thing, man. >> Speaker 1: Thanks. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. >> Speaker 1: My gosh. Thank you. >> Speaker 2: Thank you. This is incredible. >> Speaker 1: Thank you. Please keep it. I meant to frame it for you. It’s set under the coats on my bus. Ladies and gentlemen, our guest and
my friend, Kevin Owens. Thank you, buddy. Thank you so much. >> Speaker 2: That was so much fun. I’m definitely going to miss my flight.
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That's why I say let the Republicans screw up the US stop saving them from themselves tax boycott anyone
This is a great show, I could watch these two talk all the time. Whoever came up with this idea, bloody brilliant.
I miss PWG.
You can tell how close they are because they bicker like an old married couple lol.
PSA on blinkers was peak
36:39 Owen’s calling everyone out 😂
Turn signals let us ALL know what you're doing
Talking about that damn Winged Eagle belt/feud … that's NOT the Winged Eagle title belt, it's just a WWE Shop toy belt. The only real Winged Eagle championship belt says WWF on it …
فعل ميزة الترجمه للغات عشان الواحد يفهم
Jeez, I hope this doesn't end if Cody goes heel. I love these interviews.
THANK YOU KEVIN hes right ppl use your dam blinkers
Kevin Owens; the Larry David of wrestling😂😂
As a wrestling fan these shows are awesome. The storys about other wrestlers and experiences are great.
Wait so in kayfabe his sons name is Owen Owens?
The name they talked about was rob van dam. he charges 25,000$ per appearance….
KO isn’t lying about the state of tans in the WWE.
Happy birthday Cody Rhodes 🎉🎂🎈🎁
I know Ryback said he thought it was him…😂😂😂😂
Ugh why did they give the American Ass 🤡🤡🤡 a damn podcast. It's already bad enough hearing "insert name of City" what do you wanna talk about now a podcast 🙄🙄
Really appreciate getting a peek behind the curtain. My favorite part of the podcasts for sure. Thank you for taking the time out and sharing!
Perfect PSA for Mr. Kevin Owens!! Florida drivers are terrible……lmfao
The amount of ad breaks in this from youtube was absolutely absurd
wcw was the shit in the 90s 100
U can watch K.O. slowly get drunk lol
Cody's done so much especially with the travelling gypsy mentality and what he's done throughout the years after he left WWE and branched out on the Indies and set up AEW to coming back to WWE as full circle.
I want to hang out with KO. Like Kevin Steen. Dude is hilarious.
Hello, youtube.com/@CodyRhodes/videos, you are my idol when you are a dashing mustachio years ago. I watched your podcast yesterday. 1:32:07 – Unfortunately you forgot to say the closing lines (i.e Like and Subscribe, Thank you for watching) before the podcast ends. Please fix that next time as my request. Sorry for my English, watching here from the Philippines, recovering from Bipolar II.
-Cpl. G, CAFGU, 222nd Infantry Division
Who were they talking about during the indi part? I believe they were a tag team. Can anybody know
Also being my favorite job in life – listening to these two talk about being dads is truly special. Kudos fellas!
Its never too late for Abyss
That belt is so sick
I love this talk show, I love you Cody and I love you Kevin! How can you top this? Wish you the best of luck Kevin with your recovery. Prayers to all your families.
I have 1 questions for KO……… How the F*&% do you fit in your Lambo….???????????
I would pay just to watch you guys talk.
Nice Bar men I love this more 😅❤🎉
I love sit on the bar like 👍 that men
Perfect 🤩 job Cody
Cody is the best
Shout out to the missing toe nail 😂😂😂😂
I'd watch THE HELL out of that War Games match!