Monqui Talk Show #4 (session pilote 2) : le ping du futur ?

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► Dans cette nouvelle version du Monqui Talk Show, plus longue, plus riche, plus libre, nous évoquons le ping du futur : les nouvelles technologies – le TTR notamment, l’impact de l’évolution du matériel sur le jeu, les futures équipes de France… Nous parlons également des championnats du monde individuels à venir à Doha, avec les pronos de l’équipe !

► Merci à Frederic Martin a.k.a Le pingologue (animateur, ASUL Lyon 8, 15), Anthony Garnier (TT Gerland, n°800), Marion Debadts (ASUL Lyon 8 TT, n°200), et Cyril Maitre (Entraineur, prépa mental, ex-n° 400) pour leurs participations et contributions !

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00:00 Introduction
03:50 Tennis de table et nouvelles technologies
16:25 Le Table Tennis Review (TTR, la VAR du ping)
22:18 Evolution du matériel et impacts sur le jeu
33:46 L’équipe de France du futur
40:35 Les pronos championnats du monde 2025
46:08 Questions et suggestions des abonnés

hello everyone welcome to the
Monqui Talk Show, clash ping and retro effects the theme of the day a theme
which undoubtedly divides the developments in ping-pong or perhaps the ping
of the future we are going to talk about the artificial intelligence tools of the new
training modes uh the coatings perhaps there are developments uh
around the table to accompany us four speakers we know most of them
and a little new one. cyrille introduce yourself quickly ex number number
400 yeah it’s far away so I don’t even know if I really was
better than that or less than that it was quite vague but yeah
ok prepameta now… that’s it. Marion, STAPS student,
how many French numbers do you have? uh 233 exactly. well done that changed from one week to the next ok
Anthony hi Anthony number 800 currently ok sports instructor
currently I’m doing personal training for… for someone. ok and
Julien! Well… no number! Not objective number 18? uh but hey yes if we want
to eh with difficulty? but no, never actually! well it’s going to come it’s going to come uh
veteran Rhône champion. Thanks, correct. 2025? yes finally 2024 yeah 2024 by that
obviously happens uh thank you to all four for being present uh just a few
reminders I have two cards for the moment that I haven’t used at all eh
in my previous broadcasts but nevertheless I’m going to see if today there
isn’t a little tension around this subject, yellow card uh well it will be
intended for the one who really annoys me and red card well it annoys me even more
obviously and then a token for the top on top you know top on top is
when there is a subject which divides every 10 seconds alternately the
teams which will face each other on a particular subject and well I will throw this
token to know who starts this top on top there will obviously be questions
from the followers but for the moment we are doing a little tour of the table on the
question a very simple question on the image of ping today what do
you think of it? it has evolved thanks to the Olympics and the Lebrun brothers now when
we say that we are a ping pong player we have a little more, of… no respect but a
little more of how to say recognition yeah yeah a little more serious what
there you are doing sport what is a little less the sport of camping it’s we can
we can flirt more by saying that we do ping yeah that’s unlike
a period eh cyrille yes yes yes no it’s evolution, the dynamic is super
good for ping there are a lot of things that have been done but we are going to
talk about it in the next few minutes in depth going back a little
to the past because we are coming back a long way yes you are lucky Marion you
are not 20 years old yet no me when I was not 20 years old we said when ping
pong we said it gently ah or we didn’t say it julien me I think we
are at a really pivotal period in our sport which is really in the process
of move towards something perhaps very big uh I’m not saying
that table tennis will become a major sport but there are plenty of changes,
technical-tactical, technological, regulatory, which are very
interesting and which I think will send our sport to the top. the geek!
next to that the rep Professor Marion I agree I think that already
there has been an evolution uh between when I started table tennis in 2012
and I she was 4 years old! no and there are still
a few years and there was a big development with the Olympics
honestly there we saw a real one real explosion yeah in terms of
popularity or Oh yeah or OK the news is also the world championships in
Doha eh which are getting very close and we will make a sequence of predictions come on let’s
start we talk in the hard part about the future of ping several aspects that we are going to
go through together I offer you this first part around table tennis
technologies we talk a lot about artificial intelligence in particular
what do you think of AI-based coaching tools so we are talking about
fastpong the device is made up sensor in particular an LED screen and
a dedicated application and which offers targeted exercises uh there is also
Ping Hero the website actually extracts dead games in quotes
of “non-game” in fact and you go from one of a 1 hour match under video and they
give you a 20 minute treatment and then there are statistics which are
also correlated to this video analysis and then SpinSight: a smartphone, a tripod
and special balls to actually evaluate the spin of the ball so these are
training technologies which are a bit new well I would like to know
a little bit what you think of all that we will talk about the virtual ping obviously and
then the video system to control the ethics of the services so for now
uh the last thing you talked about I have it I tried it it’s
difficult to pronounce yeah it’s SpinSight yeah I In fact I was in Sweden and
I tried it with the brother of Truls Moregardth precisely yes it was him who made me a
basket for Si yes if how much is Truls’ brother ranked? I
have no idea but it plays very very well but so you used that
I used that I saw Truls use it too finally it’s quite impressive
yeah honestly I think I’m mixed that is to say that at the same time it
‘s very useful I think from a certain level to a high level clearly
there was a there was a use for me on the other hand it’s true that purely
for learning the movement there is there isn’t any especially because we do
n’t need to have all this data there at the base up to I think at least
up to 20 in my opinion we don’t have particularly in terms of
French ranking in any case up to the ranking of 2000 points I don’t think
that we particularly need all that to be able to improve after that is
that an OK it’s it’s a personal point of view after that I’m not intended for
amateurs particularly in particular this tool for me precisely I find that
artificial intelligence makes it possible to democratize access to these tools
that before we thought were reserved only for champions, for professionals
today for a few hundred euros or a few tens of euros
for certain tools and well, for me, a simple regional amateur, I can afford a
tool that allows me to measure in real time the speed that I give to the Valley
and the effect that I give to the downstream which allows me to train with visual stimuli
fast pong it’s incredible if someone had told me that when I was a kid that I would
have access to these tools that I imagined that for high level centers I
would never have believed it so it’s super fast pong can you tell us again in
detail what it is exactly? FastPong is a system of LED panels that we
tested on the chain, so it’s luminous panels and there’s
a whole training methodology based on visual stimuli, so basically that’s it.
train your eye to detect a target and in and in there it is in the millisecond that
follows you have to aim at it and therefore there is a whole mechanism uh a chain of
reaction in fact information working the coordination exactly and well here
he says it very well that he is a coach and it is accessible to amateur players
this one I agree I think it depends which ones there are some
it is accessible there are others I think there is no need for me
it’s more like that yeah but you see it attracts for example we were I was at the
WTT Montpellier there for and there were stands on the effects all that and it
also attracts amateur people they say “Ah it’s nice” we can discover and
it can attract on stands of… no fair but stands of… playful, it makes it
playful and it can make a first approach and say “Ah yeah I put
spin at how fast I can also send the ball ah yeah it’s not bad.”
And after that it can encourage people to come and test ping pong you are
completely right just sorry before you speak, on the fairs yeah on the
fairs with the clubs I encourage all the clubs in France to use the
robot quite simply but effectively Spinsight where the parents the children
they love it and we are a hit on the allions just with a simple
but but but it’s true that for a very long time we lacked measurement in fact
in table tennis it’s that it was the eye of the coach who
put in place we said but a lot of effect but how I do how I
do to measure so yes we can have fun on a retro effect see if the
ball goes far and it comes back quickly how quickly it bounces
but it was just the perception of each one which allowed to see that with
tools like that we can measure much better then there were
other little things also more basic which I remember it’s
Christine Voyon that I salute Christine who is a coach at Novels who had who
had spoken to me about a small accelerometer that she had tinkered with for the whistle
that she put on the children’s racket and that in fact when he made
the gesture if the acceleration was not great enough there was no noise and
so in fact that made it fun but the fun side in table tennis
there are lots of small equipment not necessarily technological at this point
but which was already not used uh how do I know that my ball turns a
point on the ball but put the ball on Anax spin it there are
videos now we see a lot of trainers who have this pole with
just the ball spinning at the end we turn left we turn right we
turn above we turn below so yeah I me it’s an evolution
which is nice so Julien you have used these devices a lot
others around the table have tested or not and why haven’t you tested it
I tested it at the WTT precisely to see how fast because I
had done the effect out of curiosity what this is and then on the other hand I see
a lot of videos of Nicolas Gaudelas the coach of the French
youth team eh it’s a little bit and in fact you see and it allows because
after a while when you have done it you do 15 to 20 hours of training if you
don’t have the tools a little bit which allows you a little fun but even fun it
can be seriously boring to do the same things all the time and there you have this
little side sometimes it plays with balloons and it’s nice and so
we come back to what I said basicly that is to say on this we are either
discovery OK let’s admit discovery that it’s a fun and
playful side on the other hand it’s not useful to progress when there are 6 or 7 he yes
no well yes indeed spin and I tested it with different players
of different levels and you see the young one it allows him to understand in
fact he understands better when he touches the ball when he touches it rubs well he sees
right away ah yes when I do that I rub it actually I’m at
100 revolutions 100 rotations per second whereas when I hit it a plus I
‘m only at 70 and well I think that to integrate more easily the mechanism the
touch of the ball is important even for beginner level where you have
feedback which is immediate really to know a technology you
always have to adapt it to the level of the player that is to say that you see that
at your level it’s exercises which are adapted for the level at which you
play which is high but after that it’s the role of the coach to know how
to use technology so that it is effective after the evolution of
training uh in relation we are talking about the technological evolution the evolution
of training in general means that now table tennis has had this
much more interesting image uh table tennis before we said it when
we old people he you too a little old anyway a little Yeah well same age that
you actually old say so uh there was this image where we said
“Well it’s not physical we didn’t realize how
tactical it was.” Um now if we start talking in addition to mental attitude
we see the training you are talking about Nicolas Godelard we are training the
Lebrin brothers with Jérémy Sur with Nathan Noël Molin where well sometimes they
are in the ball basket they play chess it also becomes fun and
it goes in this direction there of uh to make it also technological
there are video analyzes now in otable tennis so yeah the evolution is
interesting technologically in any case it becomes useful yeah in in any case
we are talking about democratization but nevertheless it has a cost to what
extent it can be accessible by amateur clubs in any case uh that’s
all coming then do we have price benchmarks a bit so for me
I because since I tested them I found out about everything which is a
robot a little bit to evolve where you can say to it “I’ll go with a short cut ball
then I’ll go with a long ball there and then you finish my chain of play there.”
It costs 2000 balls so it’s twice the price of a classic robot let’s
say I think it’s worth it rather than a robot that hits you with a ball from
right to left and cuts topspin there you can really tell it exactly what
you want in a fairly complex way in terms of configuration 2000 balls it’s
not that expensive fastpong it’s also around 2000 balls it’s a cost I
agree but like Fastpong like Spinsight I think that you have a return
on investment when you are a club in particular perhaps not as an
individual I would not put 2000 balls just for me but as a
club I
have a return on sporting investment
on the scale
of and the parents when you organized that I
tell you well we we have we have these tools there look at it shines that so yes it’s
important it’s but like a state-of-the-art iPhone well it’s expensive but hey you
have you have added value and well there too you have added value anthony you as
a sports instructor you train young people it’s an investment that hasn’t
been made in your club it’s not an idea that you had it’s a big cheapskate
no no we use the tools quite a bit robots robots so traditional especially a
trainer who a lot of traditional robots and we see that it works really
well with children and that’s also how he progresses as much as possible and that’s
enough for you already for the robots yeah for Yeah yeah for me already the
classic robots that’s already more than enough that’s a plus what is it if
we want to maintain the thing in addition yeah it can be nice but already I think that
there are not many clubs that use traditional robots so there is already
a step to to reach for for many clubs I I don’t realize
to what extent the clubs are equipped with traditional robots but the
robots had a moment also uh bad press bad press yeah
because we in relation to someone who distributes it always had a
regularity of the ball and uh uh it was uh it also had a tendency to
go wrong easily we didn’t do with it what we wanted uh now when we have
a robot uh there it is touch remote controls we can ask
uh the speed the alternation we can really ask a lot of things uh
the robots it was little clicks that we moved it got stuck the
balls they didn’t come out it still required a person to
operate the robot so even having someone it was better to have it in
distribution than to the robot and you individually can you
imagine so we have the example of here is SpinSight a smartphone a tripod
special balls do you individually as practicing
you would have a tendency to take this type of technology at your service
simply in your corner in a certain way to try yes
collective training to try yes but I don’t think I’m as
relentless but I think that and I know I think people who could
buy it what yeah you have to discover afterwards you have to master it also is that
finally you don’t know it maybe you have one shot you will find it great and
you have to see you have to test the brake because frankly it’s great I was able
to use it I say to myself yeah it’s really
great if each time you have to uninstall reinstall recalibrate you
spend 10 minutes / a quarter of an hour in fact it’s a little hindrance so those
who are lucky enough to have something all installed and you put where at home in the
room on a course it can be interesting on the other hand that you
install it in the morning install it’s things that are cool I wanted to finish I
still wanted to finish on the self- coaching because in fact that’s what it is
today that is to say, does it replace coaches coaches
to what extent uh the guy who takes a device a bit with
artificial intelligence we were talking about Ping Hero where we expunge a video of
timeouts and so on we have this video of our match
and in addition there are statistics which actually analyze the match so we have
digital computer feedback of the match and above all an analytical replay
that’s what I find great for amateurs is that you load your
match video and then you tell him, just show me, for example, the points
where it’s me who serves and I lose after the dismissal of the opponent, that’s so that
I can analyze my sequence of service start for example or just
tell me that the points that I lost in return of service and precisely in
the argument to join what you were saying Pingero’s argument
is that no it will never replace your educator it’s a it’s a complementary tool
for those who are not lucky enough to have a coach and well
it’s a first base but of course it will not replace the sharp eye and
the experience of an educator in real life and but then it’s the
future I think that there are there are sports in golf they have the trackers they
put the camera behind they know exactly how their shot was
they can resume in slow motion at tawondo they also have software I
know or even in real time they can during the fights know what happened
and analyze afterwards it is also because it is a Korean sport and there is
a market but I think that we with China which is very strong
behind they can develop tools which on self coaching can
be interesting I have it you wanted to go to No because as long as we are
on the subject of technological developments there is a tool where uh I
think that there it will really evolve the ping so I think in
the right way and who I agree with you on the other hand is rather reserved for the pros
for the moment it is the TTR the table tennis review so the VAR of the ping uh
uh so I know that there are pros and I know that there are anti me I am
definitely pro this tool uh I think that it will really tip the ping
into a new era so not right away uh because it was set up
in a slightly chaotic way there uh during the World Cup uh but
the fact remains that uh straight away in a single competition we saw that in a few
days the players were already serving significantly straighter than in particular yeah
they were training uh behind the scenes they were all practicing their throwing of the
ball which they haven’t had to do for a very very long time for some
Lin Shidong was sanctioned in the semi-final finally it’s it’s incredible what’s happening
and so I just wanted to talk about this tool to to say that I think
it was great that it arrived even if it is not perfect and that on the other hand
it is true that it is an example of a tool which for the moment is only reserved for
the professional world… and which will be reserved only for the professional world. I’m not
sure… because I was interested in the subject. It just doesn’t feel right at all!
no but because I think it’s super important n fact no but
it’s super important actually that we at the amateur level then of course
not all matches but for certain big competitions or important matches we
can have a tool like that to avoid having guys who are going to be used
10 10 in the beauty behind the head uh I spoke with the
developers of ping hero basically to make a long story short with a budget of €200,000
it’s not huge to develop a tool of this kind they would be able
to have a system usable by everyone with two smartphones one that
you put in the axis of the table a little height which can uh check the cases
abused with hiding eh not the borderline cases and another with a return for
the referee who has an alert signal and you tell him to be careful there the service was
hidden and you can have a replay I think not immediately in 2020 but
in 2030 in 2040 the amateur worlds could have that and that will
really be a huge step forward for our sport. so you say we serve hammer, backhand
and wiper and it’s settled. yes but that is a regulatory development.
I know someone who serves on ice thrown towards themselves and then
also a referee who is in a good position for this
case but I agree with you there will always be there will always be
possibilities of cheating last element of technology eh in the ping
today the ping VR what do you think of it is it have you
practiced it already I tested it me you I tried it for 10 minutes yeah I
tried it is nice after that it’s like for me a video game I played
video games when I was young and everything is like a video game you want to
have fun and that’s it after that it will never replace ping pong but on the
other hand it’s still very physical the sensations quite physical it is on the
other hand it’s quite physical but it resumes it’s yes it’s it’s nice
for pleasure it doesn’t reproduce the pleasure you can have in never the
sensation of rubbing the ball or touching the ball a little they will
develop it apparently for the moment I have to I C the sensations in talk
Yeah no it was it was enough it’s hybrid in fact it’s very hybrid between
the physical sensation and moving to have a bit of attitude but I
saw that people who knew how to play table tennis did the green ping
so obviously the gestures were reproduced from what we know
I would like to see people who don’t know how to play at all try that and
see if there is a what it turns out is that if it doesn’t hurt is it that if it hurts the
gesture you see which is not effective does the ball go out into
the net uh in the in the game that ‘s the question that I’m asking myself but
yeah I’m not I’m not Julien Marion you tried me I tried
I found it really super nice and impressive in realism my comrade
Dimitri he completely bit so he he he invested in the VR headset he
trains like crazy he competes he has the ambition to be
objective 18 VR that is to say objective 18 French in VR so Ah yes or but I
think he’s going to get there uh and on the other hand I haven’t bitten finally I
prefer my time it’s not infinite so I prefer to use my time for the
real ping it’s my choice no they are thinking they are thinking
on the other hand I think it’s really a superb possibility
for audiences who have less access to sport uh then already not necessarily access
to a room very easily and or audiences who have mobility difficulties
uh in particular the elderly uh I think that it can
really be a great tool for young people I think that we have to be careful
because there is the notion of screen actually
addiction young people should perhaps
direct them more in my opinion for as long as they are young on the real ping that they
learn the real ping and then the VR when you compete In my opinion it’s more
for fun or if you want to become a VR competitor
specifically but it’s more for the other audiences that I’m thinking of
Marion you who is still young unlike the other speakers
yeah I agree with Anthony on the principle where it’s a bit like a
video game and so of course it’s very fun to play it’s quite
realistic also I agree on the other hand here it has to be a
training tool for me clearly because the gestures are not quite
the same after all it’s another sport well it’s a virtual sport yeah
that’s nothing to see if we could Yeah it’s something else it’s not that it has
anything to do with it but there are some in fact it’s a video game so you have to
really take it like a video game with the walls I’m I
agree he’s very very talkative he vampirizes everything he loves the future of ping
the ping of the future… You see, it’s so you can use your cardboard!
obviously so one minute without speaking thank you Julien. Marion
arriving alone on the TTR is a lousy invention
, it’s useless! ha ha he can’t answer go ahead Marion continue I
really think that this is something fun for once that it can help
even more with the development as we had seen with many others lots of
new technologies which have been developed now here after to
see in what framework also it is used but for me personally it cannot
be used in any case in a pure training framework to
learn a technical gesture for example yes it is really another discipline
another OK very good you can get back in the race julien we are going to talk about
equipment now you know that there have been major ruptures also technical
gestures of way of playing in particular with the coverings which made their
appearance at a given moment we moved to the backside there were pimples
at the origin of the ping it seems to me the soft the antitop et cetera is
there going to be a disappearance or a creation of other types of coverings
I have I have seen several videos where there are guys who suggest that
the ITTF or the Federation Chinese or I don’t know what would seriously think
about banning picolons I don’t believe it I think it’s a rumor it was an
April fool I think no no it was it wasn’t in April it’s in May and
so yeah I said to myself what is this rumor but I saw
several posts from different people on this question okay it
surprised me because it’s the richness of our sport the picots the anti the
things that’s what makes our sport different from other
racquet sports so are these atypical plates going to
develop what can we imagine then we’re projecting ourselves but
or so I’m going to take you back on that is that if I take
the evolution of the equipment and finally here are the rackets the balls uh the
balls have become uh with have passed into plastic uh before there was the
glue and we moved on to coatings which are different the
Chinese coatings have arrived and now we see competitions where there are many
more points which last there are a little more rally it has become more
spectacular it also goes in this spirit uh the specificity of our
sport which are well the services which are hidden these are what we talked about before uh
the picot the antitops which come to complicate the effects it is not visual
at all and in fact there is this thing also for the general public no but
uh it’s not visual I don’t agree well to understand that the effect
between two backside and the effect between a backside against a pico the ball it
turns more in the same direction for the no which exactly and for the general
public for when we arrive in this field and moreover besides I make
an incision the question at a given moment also c to be
able uh we are going to put a mark on the ball to allow for the
viewers to see in which direction the ball track was turning it’s tracks
that to make it general public but I think that the evolution of the equipment there
was there was a desire at one point to extend the points so
the players there were quite a few physical helmets because in training there
were a lot more balls on the table it was also necessary to adapt the
physique now we have real athletes who allow us to really
go the distance on the points there is more power there is more speed
and I think that there is a logic, we must not forget that the goal is also that
it is a seller in the international term that it attracts people at the high
level so the evolution if we have a good image at the moment it is because
it is spectacular between Félix and Alexis who are the headliners
even I even take Simon Gozi and then even the young people who are arriving behind
finally Poré Coton who is starting to knock on the door it is spectacular to see them
play it is interesting so a defender yes that can be spectacular
there it makes sense but suddenly if it’s something which is incomprehensible
we lose the meaning so that’s the evolution it can go in
both cases no but it’s true that pingpong you watch videos on
Instagram all that was real it lasts 15 20 seconds it’s magnificent and but
they managed to put not only on the equipment but on everything which is
general ambulance of ping and now he is a ball boy since
when 10 years maybe not even 5 6 years the ball boys before it
didn’t exist there now it speeds up the game it speeds up the game there is a
machine which gives directly for not only failures not only on my height and
then on my height what can really change now I
don’t know in any case we see more and more happening among the girls especially the
sticky coverings at the table and everything among the Indians in particular
but not only the North Korean there and well for the girls he not for the guys
it’s nicer than seeing for example a match a tennis match they have this
problem right now with tennis there are a lot of them they say well there are
too many serves well they want to remove the second ball in tennis there are some
there are pros who want to do only a first serve and like that well it’s
a little nicer there are a lot more games it’s Moratoglou who does it
with the UTS when he developed this competition he put on the serve and
indeed it modifies it modifies the game it’s much more interesting and
people come to see it much more because it’s more unusual so we’re
not we went from 21 to 11 uh it also changed the rhythm of the matches and on
the equipment I think yes if there are if there are too many players who
arrive with pins at the table and in fact all of a sudden the ball
is that tampered with it becomes incomprehensible well the general public will
say well that plays into you making a service you take a peck
behind it doesn’t come back but but suddenly is that there aa it can
change the style of play can the defenders today Ah it’s
hard for the defenders currently that’s what there are
modern defenders now the defenders what is a modern defender it’s a
defender who attacks at a given moment the first is Joo se-hyuk the Korean who
arrives it’s defense he had picot on the back a defense with the picot where
turned from time to time and huge counter-attacker on the forehand which was
a hybrid game between the defense, De Saintilan picot on the backhand and when
it’s in the forehand well it’s Betelu attack a little more. Who is that? Remi Betelu a
high level defender level it’s Ruwen Filus here you have to go
see if you have you will find videos Ren Filus German it’s
interesting but players with players with equipment other than
backside in the first 100 fran world 5 if cont you go see Falk who
has the soft or filus who pico Wang I also think who has Pic or
on the other hand in dou there are two Japanese who defend ah yes are exception
exception there is Japanese defender on boy
Uh but the dou we don’t care no yes yeah
independently of the defenders the ping has really changed between when we
were little at the time of Gien and the time of today or for example the
banana there the finally the fact of going to flip hard green on a balcour forehand
whereas we were always taught that you we pivoted forehand
what is it from the source what I mean we were already doing it ah well
but there’s no name ah well I never did it but on the other hand we
got yelled at when we did it I agree and then no there is there is
that and then for example you know the block spin well well he was doing
flat block in fact and now the kids when they do spelter it is necessary to go
through it’s the material which has changed too that is to say that the
coverings are that we had just slammed in reverse we almost managed to
have a soft effect in slamming a dish while crushing the ball the ball did
not bounce it really came sinking there are some who still do it
currently but with the current material with the coverings which
just by going over it we keep this this capacity there gear in part
ah in part the ball arrived too quickly before the small ball with the glue you
could not go over it permanently now there is also the
physical well I think there is a set but the material that allows them
therefore the technical developments have possibly changed
tactical game postures for you so the famous banana actually we had
the impression 30 years ago 40 years ago that it wasn’t happening it existed but it was
n’t democratized but it’s the coverings it’s the equipment that
made it possible to accelerate this game finally I have the impression that for me it was
a bit of a tactical innovation that is to say that Gozi started doing it
with a few Chinese and then now everyone does it and
then maybe the hardware played but in my opinion it’s more of an invention
in fact in fact the change is that as the Chinese were
were a lot ahead we wanted to copy the Chinese during the time to
do like them they had games which were still very much on the
the speed the volume and and they did n’t miss much where the Japanese
arrived we started to put a little creativity the frats in particular that
we started to relaunch the hammer service or things like that uh and the
Kokiniwa cut block which arrived and and all of a sudden there was all this
variation which was brought but that ‘s more in the creativity in
the training of the zè in the inventiveness the
equipment made it possible to do that but it is above all to let the possibility of the
days of doing it so the material itself that’s the big material change
that there has been well recently it’s the end of speed glue 10 years ago
15 years ago and suddenly it’s and suddenly we have a little more time that I think it’s going
a little slower now no ah yes above all it’s a 38 ball we make the
ball it goes much slower so there are more exchanges so speaking of
the ball is it that there is a possibility is that the ball will be
reduced in diameter or enlarged? And if it evolves it will be enlarged
we had bet on the fact that it would be more telegenic uh and well
forced to note that 20 years later this is the case to win in addition
effectively there is all the scenography around the WTT there with the
room in black and everything there with the chases and so on the music the show
we continue on the perhaps the change of gestures developments
perhaps linked to new new plates or
wood-fired clothing and so on but the pickaxe service for example is a
service that is relatively recent for me it’s a service that I didn’t see
30 years ago for example 10 years ago not 10 years ago either what
is it what is it what it came from the inspiration of the pros it’s the
amateurs who copied the pros it’s there’s a real use for it
a pickaxe service say I think that the pickaxe service with the TTR we are going to say that it
would be a very good thing ok what do you think for me the
pickaxe service me I bah I often do without we take Chinese pe to do a
serve and suddenly after we have to change suddenly we lose a little
time there by taking the pocket service racket straight away we can
play directly so people do it also to have the racket grip directly
you lose less time and in fact if you want to make a ser pickaxe with spin
you have to bring the ball towards you to give spin otherwise you do
a ser pickaxe like that that none there are not many of them I
played also there are a few in the region who do it mario serve
pickaxe you you serve eh pickaxe ah me I don’t serve pickaxe you don’t serve pickaxe not
that at home at home there are schools we have the impression uh well I’m
agree on the principle where perhaps the taking at the base can help to become avir
like that now it is true that finally I know that personally on several
occasions I have heard ah well it is a little simpler there hide
slightly other and this kind of this kind of remarks and suddenly I am not saying that
this is why it has been put more and more into practice it is very much the
young generation which has appropriated the pickaxe service I have an anecdote to uh
the committee of Rô had entrusted me with Dimitri with the task of making a stand
for my ky pong uh which would give us the biggest shock during the
Benjamin Cadel French championships in Arnas a year ago and all the kids who
were competing came. at the stand because they wanted to play
my kipong ah but and there I have me I’m not used to playing against good
kids you know good Benjamin good cadets there but they all serve
pickaxe but you see nothing it’s impossible impossible to say what and
it’s the new generation we us the services coming in of course
we hide with the arm but I think that with the arm you can still see a little
bit of the movement there when it’s happening there behind and then it’s
hidden and then the ball we were talking about 30 % but there is there is no time if you
take the ball there is not 30% it depends on the height of the throw yeah but
I can’t see a thrown pickaxe service ah it’s possible but but there in fact
there is for me there is everything in pickaxe service and for me it will have to be banned
but won’t the TTR as you said won’t Uh yeah I think
exterminating it before at a high level in all case it risks changing quite a few
things afterwards on the small categories uh you can often they are too small
to do the return service so still raise your arm high enough to be
above the table and the draw service is an intermediary between the
hammer service and the thrown service which often leaves the hammer a little open and
in fact they keep this gesture to go back a little in draw the thing is
that all of a sudden we throw the ball behind it and it becomes
very problematic so it is the role of the coaches it is also there to say
you see that it works what then we always project ourselves into the future of the ping
eh and in particular the new generations we project ourselves perhaps to
2035 uh with uh among the girls Alexia Nodin of the TT Gerland eh who recently
uh vice-champion of France junior yanina Gou Zeng who is a cadet yes
that’s it like Alexia also a cadet Alex same year ok and who is titled who was
world number 1 number 1 less at 15 years old she beat Pris Papa in the last
French championship seor she made half it’s exceptional and know that
at school uh she has an average of 19.43 so she’s really gifted
that’s info I did some research and then among the boys well
who after the Lebrins and Flavien Coton eh who is also uh current who
who can emerge what do you think about it it’s it’s a new
generation we are planning a One thing is sure I think that we are already polished
we have quality currently here is Phenniix Alexis I think that there
they are they are in place for a little while behind yes Thbo Poré who
is arriving or who is doing quite well who joined the top who joined the top 100
in the world not that long ago who is not that old
flavien Coton who was world champion cadet who waited but there are
also still others who are behind there the international Deschamp
Courchi also who is turning what will make the shift like the
Lebrins because we know very well that that finally to pass we are 50th
in the world that does not mean that we will succeed in entering the top 10 at a
given moment and when we were very good in junior cadet that does not mean that we
will be good among the seniors I have the impression that in France there is a
school there is there is in in any case there are quality trainers ok we see
Nicolas Godel it was it was not the case at the time of Gien at the time of Gacien
it’s the musketeers anyway finally we must not forget it’s the
world group 14 Sila and Damien Lois the four are there
they are there for a while and then behind there was well in particular
Stéphane Laurin who was there Nicolas Châtelin there were still
some who were of that generation who occupied the space
for a very long time and those who arrived behind who were nevertheless
very good players could not get through the process the problem is it was
also the mimicry which could be involved in trying to reproduce the same players
ok uh these four players when we saw them were very different and then
in fact there were fashion effects gassin was Olympic vice-champion
world champion we wanted to make left-handers who take the pivot
on almost all the balls and then after the Chinese that very strongly we wanted
to copy the Chinese and we got a little lost I think in c in this spirit
we always had the quates who in front who hid a little the tree who hides the
forest is that the French table tennis player of the future is a
creative player I would say yes I think yes eh because there when we look
precisely in the young teams at the same time there is Alexoder there is B Gaetan who
is in picot at the table also finally there are games there are rather
atypical games also still in the in the French youth teams in any case
already but even in the backside games among the boys we give them
room to try things alexis Félix finally they are they are creative
they are very creative but we leave room to express his game but even
Gozi before is that Simon he still has a game which is where from far from the
table he is capable of doing almost everything and anything come and get the
back anywhere to invent gestures and it was already there a little bit
before so I think that the creative side was already in place on the fact
of going to challenge you have to surprise the opponents by proposing different things
and perhaps at the time did not allow players like that to
finally express themselves in their somewhat innovative creative side yeah at one
point we were perhaps more on the volume than on the creativity agree
me I think it’s above all a mentality we I think a culture of
winning that’s a culture of winning I think that for 10 years 15 years we
saw that wow we are too far from that level of the Chinese of the Asians
it’s too far and there we’re talking about the French but there I even see the
Europeans because there are a lot more Europeans in the
world top 10 among the girls not too much but among the guys uh now we see there
the well Hugo Calderano who won the last world cup and everything and in
fact who is also a very creative player and I think that yeah it’s a
they managed to remove the glass ceiling in fashion well they are invincible
and everything and we can succeed without copying them and it’s a lot mental who
have in mode well yeah we can do we know how to do what yes I think there
is something which so I don’t know to what extent I’m wrong or not in what I
‘m going to say I think that in France now we rely more on
club structures whereas at one point it was really in the
France poles and I know when I was little that was really it
it was we had to go to the French structure otherwise hop we comes off the lists
and I know it’s really been a problem because when young people
had to be trained, I know what I’m talking about, they had to go to these
structures and that was a real problem because sometimes when you’re
young, it’s not easy to go to Île-de-France when you’re in CM1 and
it’s true that as a result it was things that were complicated when
even that we decentralized the high level in a certain way I think in
Germany they do that and I think it’s Daniel Constantini or I don’t know
who is the big name in handball who was called by the Ministry of Sports and
who deconstructed a little bit the French model which was
to have the inepon develop well over a hundred
training in Montpellier in Nant to we rely on clubs and in fact
we rely more on individuals more than on large structures and it is
visibly bearing fruit because the Olympiad there was rather not in the
successful but what I was telling you on time in Gan that is to say that Gien he
followed the model he left Alès as a child to go to INSEP he was
12 or 13 years old with Gadal uh and then we said “Well that’s good that’s the
model we’re going to follow that.” And there they were, the federal coaches were you
went through the centers you had Talence you had Caen you had Nantes which
existed you had uh in Voiron also in Montpellier finally
there were some everywhere at one point and it’s true that the clubs uh we’re going
back to the beginning of the 2000s but in those moments the clubs
didn’t have much of a say in the training of the players it was immediately necessary
to leave in structure it lasted like that for a while and it opened
up from the moment when the clubs started to say “Yeah but we
would like our professional players because we are starting to have foreign players
and who would want to train here.” And there the training centers began
to be created now training centers which are very structured
and in Montpellier the path that we followed Félix Alexis is that Stéphane Lebrun
rebuilt the club he rebuilt a training center and in fact that was done
there was a lot more communication and exchange between the Federation the
clubs and it is something now which is natural uh the clubs move from
one to the other and there is there is more this concern thank you very much it was a
discussion what fire eh no division but it was just as
instructive obviously it will come but it was very instructive I learned
a lot of things I hope that you too dear followers we
now move on to the section we are going to make a little predictions around the
world championships which is coming soon the 2025 world
table tennis championships will take place from May 17 to 25 at Lous Sport Arena in Doa in Qatar
uh some players eh a few here are the plateau quickly uh among the men
Lin Shindong uh who is currently world number 1 W Sho King still Chinese
world number 2 we have Hugo Calderano eh who has had very good results
recently 3rd in the world who is from Brazil we have Tomokatsu Harimoto Japan
so the biggest crier of the international field and we have the Lebrun
obviously and among the women we have I will try to
pronounce them correctly Yingia reigning champion of the 2025 World Cup is the big one
favorite there is also Wang Manu from China there too I dare to experiment pretending
there is Ina Ayata who is therefore the competitor we will say Japanese and then
perhaps Pritica Pavad on the French side what do you think
what do you have as a prediction in mind already what you are going to watch
assiduously? already the table is not favorable for the French that he can
have a lebrun-lebrun in the 8th final… ah that’s news okay so here’s
the problem we have a Tibault Poret against Wang Chuqin from the second round or a third
round so here uh I would see in girls Harimoto in
not mentioned the little Harimoto I had seen her at the WTT
Well maybe not win but at least make a final square ok
in girls it can still be hard that it’s not the Chinese yeah it’s very
long it’s it’s even apart from the Chinese
Singcha finally she’s above everyone there we saw her in the last
competitions but in fact but yes there it is I don’t know when was it
the last competition where she was really in difficulty but it’s
she really dominates everyone and besides at the world cup they
said it but she largely dominates
me on the girls I agree with Marion the Chinese hegemony it will be
difficult to question it right away but I also agree a little
nevertheless with Antony it is from the side of the Japanese that the Help can come
the Indians I don’t really believe in it they can perhaps do a big performance
one but not the last because and and Europe France Europe or Oras or
Asasia even Diaz all that I would like for Prica that she does big
performance already very very good janan Janan who had a big performance not
long ago who won in French we will have Pritica we will have Janan and we have
others or not I don’t know I don’t know but because we don’t have Léana
Achard who is in preparation for something like that I don’t know anymore because we
forgot her before because for me she can be in the French team
later too eh by the way ok my opinion uh hot potato
anyway it’s going to be too hard it’s going to be too hard well in any case the
Chinese maybe in competition with
the Japanese but hardly very well the men so
ah it’s more open what can happen Cyril the men yes it’s more open after
we saw it on the games he that is to say that when they want
to win a title in general they succeed it was more complicated on the
games because there were still people in front but
uh they start favorites don’t lie anyway there’s a shit chokin there
it’s tough you have to go through both but there’s room there it’s not we
‘re not 90% sure it’s them who are going to take the title as we could say
on this nicha there is there is a crumbling still a very small pe
not fanong it’s not the same what they have they are a little less serene
than before B long fanong that lost no eur the hegemony is less strong in
fact we feel that there would be fragilities there is a moment where we feel
that maximum pressure on them because Calderano won the World Cup and
that was thrown into disarray in China and a coach who was therefore
president of the Federation finally there is well there is perhaps there were
rem but I mean also there is the TTR and I like that one no
but seriously it’s been a long time hardly spoken It changes
yellow card Julien yellow card you leave your place for a minute ah yes
if I assure you it’s yellow card we come back to a subject that we have already dealt with
1000 times I would like to hear from other people so anything
we said that it was going to change me I would see a Félix come on
I’m betting on a Félix uh who has taken the upper hand well over his brother
who has finally won and then there we must not forget that his brother is coming back from
injury he knows it he is aiming for more doubles than singles yeah
very important doubles and uh and Félix I have there he took over his double TT
in Tunis yes who who did not have a big draw who did not have a big not
many opponents but he gave chaf a beating
and the m a br but uh I see Félix uh yeah maybe yeah
world champion yeah ah yes frankly marion what do you think of the tournament
man well honestly I think that in fact the problem is not a
problem but I think we saw it on the WTTs we saw it on the WTTs it
depends there are some who sometimes perform very well on one WTT and much less
on the other so I find that it’s super difficult that is to say that for
example well Harimoto uh he was in a competition he was super
efficient she managed to win besides on Linidong and on
other WTTs well much more complicated so I find that it’s super difficult
to make a real prediction because it’s going to tell finally I find that
for the moment in boy it’s there is it’s really very very random for
the moment ok even more than in girl for me perhaps more open than
expected ok very good thank you very much we end on uh our last section
questions and ideas from Internet users the questions start with the first
question from Armand uh thank you for his question when will the abolition of I put
the quotation marks of the shit plates so we don’t talk about the backside he
I imagine well but antitop we don’t know maybe that he plays with an
antitop a colombus peak and that the backside and the shit plates for
him it’s possible never the shit plates it’s life it’s the it’s the
ping I what not a soft yeah on the other hand when when will the end of of the
peaks tampered with which are sometimes not seen because there are still those times
which fit into old peaks actually from the old generation
which are perhaps not regulatory it is madness to know that there was a peak
which was called the curl P1 which was prohibited because the peaks
were cut in a bevel like that they were ribs and in fact it caused
completely random inversions of effect no they said no but
that one we are going to remove it we have saw players
arrive h or new rankings in the season but really and who took everything
with the small cost you served you gave back
you didn’t know what was coming back yeah but it’s madness question from Greg who considers that fast
pong ping hero pong botat and company these are gadgets and to make money and
nothing is better than a good old ball basket what do you think about it
the guy in front has to send the vales but it’s a it’s it’s a real it’s
it’s a it’s a real job yeah the timing the regularity the constancy that uh
send the right balls I think that in what he says there will be gadgets
there are some who will uh sort it out there uh there are quality things
which are put in place for the ones which come from the high level and which are
democratized after uh but you have to know how to use it it’s like a
racket when I see players who have 600 points and who take a
wood at 300 € with two plates at 70 € who tell me “It’s good I’m going
to play well.” No it doesn’t work as well as that there is of course a small side
opportunity to walk but it is obviously but nevertheless this
market opportunity finally these are the cases that we have treated I think it is
timely it really brings a plus it’s not it’s not a bidget for it’s
last question from our followers by Christian so the major sport ping in
France he in a few years like in China is it possible with
the brown effect of the majur no uh now uh much more recognized yes
uh recognized but major you are entering the sport of the French num that means
major sport for me it is the number 1 of rackets we would pass in front of
tennis in front of paddle in front of badminton ah but tennis we are we
are already too far we are too far to be Are we are we are
possibly me for me we can put a lot of players in a
small room and that is why the padel is starting to take over on
tennis because you can put a lot of players on concentrated
so we have in terms of license we are we are a lot but to be the
number 1 major sport it would be necessary that unfortunately it is the currency take
on you have done a tournament at a step you take 200 € in tennis you are doing a
tournament a tournament all series I don’t think that you take that you take 200 €
in fact that’s that too that’s another subject I think we will have to do
maybe a show on it but on the money how you kill and how
you say about that if I take the players who go internationally if if they
go with the French Tennis Federation you set up your own business
to live off the money you manage so that’s another subject
but I think that with an alignment of planet uh timely like we have a
generation of brown brothers who will be succeeded by another generation who will
bring back titles and medals Olympics in particular I don’t know
maybe Mina and Alexia we never know in the beginning there is more the fact that
it is a sport all the same uh finally a very popular leisure sport and well we
never know the mayonnaise it can take even more than what it is
taking they are really broadcasters yes but yes we need
broadcasters we need broadcasts team 21 is starting to do and unfortunately
or fortunately for ping-pong in tennis uh well there is Arthur Fil who
is arriving but there hasn’t been a big chem for 20 years, well, we’re going to take
their place, so that’s it, what if we had a big
tennis star who would win the big schlems for me, it’s especially that in a major sport,
it’s because she’s headlining judo, can you imagine, you
can’t imagine in ping for the moment, uh, a tournament that is broadcast over
weeks nonstop with all the matches that are followed in public chat,
that’s because it’s Roland Garos yeah that and before we get there yeah we
‘re going to have to Yeah yeah where we are we’re in the right place we’re on the
same fo it grows in any case it can be a subject the economic model
and the money in table tennis thank you to all four for this
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