OWS BB+ Industry Experts

Hilow (@HilowFF) and Mike Johnson (@mjohnson_86) bring you the first installment of the One Week Season Best Ball + Industry Experts series.

Hilow and Mike discuss contests around the industry before diving into pillars of best ball success like variance, best practices, optimal strategy, deviations, and exploits before giving a recent example by dissecting a draft.

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one we season ow WS fam the nation my dudes and dudets as you can see right there what is going on man it has been way too long I am Hilo those who have been around know me we are going to bring a very special guest in here very shortly uh you know him by Mr Mike Johnson M Johnson 86 another top contributor at onewe season what we do here every Friday during best ball season is we bring you what we call the industry experts podcast or series or video whatever the hell you want to call it what we do here is we are going to continue to push the envelope in theoretical conversations with the top industry experts around the industry talking best ball if you are new to us you’re just scrolling across us head on over to onewe season.com get signed up for the best ball Plus Package because we are bringing you five Training sessions a week Monday through Friday every single day you’re going to get a training session in your podcast feed and be able to get the Cutting Edge stuff that you know one week season brings but without further Ado we’ll bring him in Mr Mike Johnson how are we doing today my dude I guess tonight we’re recording this Thursday evening for tomorrow but how we doing man hey I’m I’m terrific I’m uh it’s like when the NFL season ends I feel like I just hit like that wall and I’m like ready to be be like to walk away from it and just like take a break but then like you know free agency starts you start getting the itch and then yeah draft stuff starts ramping up a little bit I did some pre-draft best ball and then you know I’m just I’m excited to to get back you know the contest dropping doing a couple drafts um doing our team previews I’m all like I’m revved up I’m ready to rock oh hyped up on Mountain Dew man I’m come at you like a spider monkey you mentioned uh all the different contest that dropped let’s talk about those and I know for those that are not best ball Plus members um I tackle Underdog stuff I tackle Game Theory stuff you tackle U DraftKings and drafters so let us know what’s going on over there at DraftKings and drafters uh before I shout out some Underdog stuff yeah so uh DraftKings just launched um yesterday actually uh they brought out there um I think strategically they like wait to see like what Underdog does and then just try to like match or do something similar um but so they have their uh their main Flagship contest their Millionaire Maker uh $20 entry $15 million prize pool 1.5 million to First very similarly structured to uh best Ball Mania um and then they’ve got a couple higher price point uh contests and then they had a $3 20 Max tournament and a $8 um tournament uh drop as well and then drafters they have uh launched their main Flagship tournament uh it grew by 25% this year it’s a 2.5 million doll prize pool this year 500k to first um so bumping that up a bit uh and they dropped the price point so instead of $20 an entry this year it’s 15 um a little bit easier to for some people to get to um and then they usually do a second big tournament uh at a lower price point that um you know my sources tell me will be coming in the next week so uh yeah a lot going on lot to choose from your sources man Mr Mr incra so yeah I was trying to pull up uh DraftKings I couldn’t get over there in time but uh taking a look at here’s the big drafter tournament um that you were alluding to so that price point a little bit nicer than on Underdog at 25 bucks their Flagship tournament obviously being the BBM um and then over at DraftKings what’ you say the uh their Flagship was $20 over there yeah 20 over there yep yep and then uh I think DraftKings has a they have a deal where during May uh for every five entries you do in uh their $20 tournament you get a free ticket so yeah do that up to five times so like um what is that like I’m not good at the what 25 entries you could get five free ones so you know it’s $300 if you’re going to Max or whatever anyways so yeah and then DraftKings was running did you mention that I sorry I tuned out I’m just kidding DraftKings uh just dropped a promo as well didn’t they for um like May drafts that’s the that’s what I just you’re talking okay cool cool cool and then yeah drafters has uh their Milestone bonuses that’s for the whole thing um so that’s uh if you do uh 10 drafts uh you get one bonus ticket 25 you get another bonus ticket uh once you hit 50 you get two more once you hit a 100 you get three more so that’s seven total bonus tickets and then if you get uh if you fully Max it’s 150 drafts they also throw you a $100 bonus and a T-shirt and who doesn’t love a t-shirt let’s go dude you yeah like you see up here somewhere the the cactus that you get from Underdog for maxing bbms I’m sure the the one from last year is in the mail um no but we talk a lot these these like theoretical buzzwords you see um EV thrown around a lot you see you know expected value um but when we’re talking about like what that means boiling down it is what you can expect to extract from each entry that you enter into a contest um you talk about all these contests that are available around the industry now you know last year I think I drafted 12 about 12200 teams just under that um so yeah yeah we uh we how many are you through so far this year uh I’ve done um like five yeah and we say so far this year that’s a grand total of about 48 hours at this point uh by the time we’re recording this um yeah I’m through about 30 um across all platforms the one platform I haven’t drafted on yet is DraftKings I need to um get on over there and start drafting there as well um but yeah expected value across a portfolio that vast um that diverse you know and not everyone I understand is is going to be drafting 1,200 teams but if you think about the more money the more contest you’re pumping into this thing your portfolio we need to start being a little bit more concerned with this term expected value and like I said it’s what you can expect to extract from each entry and we know that these contests these big Marquee contests are set up in ways such that the expected value of each entry is lower than the entry so we know that we’re fighting against rake we know that these contests are hard to advance out of your round to begin with and now you got to meet certain advancement thresholds because all of them except drafters major difference there are playoff style contests where you’re thrown into pods and you have to beat so many teams Advance out of that and so on and so forth week 15 16 into the finals in week 17 drafters is very unique and nice in the sense that it is a cumulative scoring format so that is very different when we’re talking about developing a game plan through this theoretical these theoretical Concepts that we’re going to be talking about all year um to combat that so kind of get a lot of different elements from each things but coming back to that like buzz term expected value we know in these contests in these playoff style contests so it’s different again on drafters where we’re trying to go cumulative scoring but on Underdog on DraftKings we are we know goinging in based on the rules in that contest because we have things like how many teams are advancing from each pod each draft so on and so forth we know we can calculate expected value and we know the two highest contributors to expected value in playoff type format are week 17 is number one and number two is advancement rate and that is getting out getting as many teams as you can out of your draft so knowing that how are you kind of differentiating your kind of game plan development when we’re talking about drafters vers versus Underdog and DraftKings knowing that expected value those are the two most important things to us yeah so and I talked about this on my training session this week just like kind of why I pump up drafters and why I think like it’s the place to attack and kind of how I how I frame it is depending on like you said not everybody’s going to do 1,200 drafts so everybody has different ranges of what they’re going to do and like just for me like when I run the numbers and look at it from an expected value standpoint drafters like I’m gonna account for my bankroll every dollar that I can onto drafters first yeah and then if I still have more bankroll to go then I’m gonna play on the other sites as well so why is that well because so two things you talked about the Pod stuff so the luck there like like there’s there’s such an issue of luck and there’s so much that’s like outside of your control as far as like what pod you’ve been I mean you’ve been done it enough like week 15 last year like I had on DraftKings like teams that had like 190 that didn’t advance to week 16 and then I had like a couple teams with like 160 or that it did advance or like one team it was like bad but like the team that won it scored like 145 and they Advanced like that’s just like straight up like you know that that’s so far Beyond like anything you can plan for or whatever so like just having your fortunes things like that so far out of your control um yeah and then you look at from drafters um like right now you know to to your question um I think right now like drafters is the spot where if you’re going to be drafting during this early window I think the drafters would be the AL the optimal spot to be making those drafts because um to your point we go to the pods in week 15 so you you draft with your team and then after week 14 it resets you go into a pod everybody’s at zero so like it doesn’t do you any it doesn’t I mean yes you have a bit of an advantage if you have this like super team that’s made it but you have to survive like four more months of three or four more months of like dude dudes don’t get hurt on your team versus somebody who drafts in August early September um and yeah you can like there’s ADP values you can you can benefit from but like on drafters if you draft that super team like you don’t just like oh week 15 you only put up 140 like Deuces like you’re done so like just from the expected value of like if you do draft that super team knowing like you’re going to get rewarded for it so like if you are drafting during that early window like I think that in my opinion that’s like the the optimal place to be to be doing it because you can um you’re not just going to have the rug pulled potentially lot of good stuff there man and we’re going to talk about some of that stuff uh and we’re gonna we’re going to hit on some more stuff um and we’re going to give an example of a draft that I did on Underdog in the BBM um earlier today actually that I wanted to kind of talk about and we’re g to get some of these theoretical Concepts these um more ideas of kind of what we’re going to talk about over the next 15 20 minutes or so we’re going to take a a unique sneak peek behind the curtain into what that looks like on a roster um that will be coming here shortly um the next kind of big thing that we are you and early on you know we just La launched the best ball plus product this week early on we’re kind of and how we’ve designed this this package this this course to be is we modeled it around like how how much effect or how can we affect um or have the greatest effect on a person’s um best ball strategy and the way that we kind of built this is we built it to mirror like one-on-one training sessions so that’s why we bring you five Training sessions a week um they’re all going to be 30 minutes to an hour long and we’re going to start it with this week you’ve probably if you’re um familiar with kind of how we do things at at one we season we want to take this building block approach so that’s why we’re talking about the basics here another basic concept that goes vastly overlooked or misunderstood is something that you were alluding to in that pods discussion in the advancement um Windows of these playoff style contest um you called it pod luck or um uh just luck I think um that all goes into the things the things we can’t control is the other kind of buzz word that you use to describe it into this idea of variance variance just put as simply as we can is all the [ __ ] all the stuff that we cannot control we don’t have we have control over how we construct rosters we have control over the players that we select we have control over the rankings that we’re drafting off of all these things we have control over we have control over when we draft what we don’t have and when we draft I guess on a quick sidebar when we draft is important because we have this kind of like sliding scale of information and information in this game is Paramount so I’ve seen a lot of talk around the Twitter sphere or the X sphere that sounds weird dude um about like people drafting right now in these playoff style contests are paying the rake I hly disagree people that draft right now that are not embracing additional variants are paying the rake so that is a very nuanced distinction for us but having an understanding of variance how it affects how we manipulate it based on when we’re drafting the amount of information we have the amount of variables that are at play when we’re drafting is Paramount so those things that we can’t control how do you manipulate those things how do you go into a draft now and make it different than drafting in late August and early September yeah I mean that’s to that’s totally accurate and you know to clarify my previous thing I’m not saying like nobody should ever be doing oh right now not at all I’m you’re absolutely right is if you’re going to draft now like you know swing for the fences right like you you want that um you know you’re not just going along with 8 I actually in our Discord in our basketball plus Discord was talking with one of our subs today and they were talking about my rankings I just finished my DraftKings rankings um and posted them today and he was like yeah I love how it’s you’re not just like in alignment all over the place you had you you know there’s clearly some big values within your rankings versus the ADP and this guy he’s subscribed to another site and he’s got a couple other like free sites that he looks at and he’s like they’re all just so close to ADP that like yeah you’re kind of just going along with like the chalk from a DS DFS perspective so um I think being willing to take those stands um is the biggest thing being willing to um you know go in on those uh whether it’s a player um that you’re really high on and their ADP changes whether it’s a team that like all of a sudden you know we get to August sometimes and it’s like wow like this team like this guy’s healthy and the quarterback looks good and like the offense is clicking like they’re scoring a touchdown every preseason drive with the starters like you if you can get ahead of those things like there’s so much uh that you can lean into um and it’s just a matter of like you said not just like paying the rake or just like yeah I’ll just go along with like what today looks like it’s trying to draft in a time machine and I would argue that that edge is going to be more pronounced this season as compared to Seasons past why because we have the recency bias factor of last season the team that shipped BBM 4 that everyone is looking at to develop their strategies for this season had the chalk first and second round pairing of alondro St Brown and CD lamb why do I say this chalk those players their adps aligned at the back half of the first round um and the front half of the second round the entirety of the draft cycle last season their their adps stayed in alignment to where it was very easy to pair and then the schedule was released and then oh by the way they now play each other in week 17 so everybody and their mother has almond ra St Brown and CB lamb teams so this it might we might have this like recency bias Factor also built in coming into this season that like hey just stay to ADP and we it works out the best for us that’s a very nuanced discussion we’re not going to get into the rest of that discussion that’s going to be reserved for the beste ball Plus members um obviously if you’re watching this you’re not a beste ball plus sub head on over to onewe season.com hit the best ball plus tab get signed up for best ball plus you’ll get again you’ll get my rankings for Underdog you’ll get Mike’s rankings for drafters for Draft Kings you’ll get a free course on how to become a better baseball player that I wrote last year you will ALS also get one or I guess we’ll say it five Training sessions a week um straight to your podcast feed of choice so um this is good stuff man um leading us into kind of the next big we have to have an understanding of this um we’ll we’ll just talk we’ll just term it optimal or um we’ll term it standard accepted optimal practices by the industry so we have like on Underdog on draft well we’ll say Underdog because it’s an 18 round draft drafters and DraftKings are 20 rounds um we have these things like standard or optimal roster construction so you’ve seen it over the last two or three seasons Michael Leon over at um established the Run did a lot of good work last off season about what is the optimal roster construction it’s three spoiler alert 3582 um or 2583 um beyond that so we have these ideas of standard industrywide accepted optimal um optimal practices moving beyond those or deviating from those we call those deviations from a theoretical sense we’re now into the realm of exploits or exploitations so the poker players that are watching this you’re probably familiar exploitative player versus GTO it’s a very very similar discussion to be had in best ball in that we can take the standard commonly accepted best practices slash optimal Theory we can take observations of the field we can generate these assumptions from those um picture yourself sitting at a poker table for the poker players and now we introduce these exploits so how do we take a um an overall you know the the average player and how do we exploit that how do we exploit against that to generate additions um or boost to our expected value that is a very interesting term and idea that’s going to lead us into kind of what I want to talk about with this roster allow me to get it pulled up here that’s not it here we go all right so we’ll take a quick moment and look at this Rost by saying I did not take a running back until the sixth round I’m over here out of the 11 spot so I started four wide receivers and then quarterback before I took my first running back rattled off three in a row there and then I’m straight back to pounding this um wide receiver position took some tight ends quarterback to pair with my first round selection and then finally another running back and if you see this it is the quote unquote zero RB and there’s a very nuanced discussion to be had about this term zero RB because over the last two seasons it has been the buzz we saw again for the second year in a row a zero RB team ship the major um tournament on Underdog the BBM but I want to fold into this new meta we’ll call it of this season where it’s like what does zero RB even mean anymore because two years ago or La we’ll just use last year last year the last rb2 the rb24 was coming off the board somewhere in the fifth round this year the rb24 per ADP on Underdog right now is coming off the board in the eighth round so what does that mean to us as we’re building a quote unquote zero RB team do we have to like out zero RB everybody or at what point do we like take a stand it’s a very very interesting theoretical discussion and I want to talk about some of the concepts we’ve talked about here variance we talked about exploitations and let’s just get into it so I start the draft puka Devonte Adams out of the 111 you’ll notice Devonte Adams is a quote unquote reach per 80P that’s not important to us on May 2nd brought it back with Jaylen Wadd and Cooper cup so again now I have a both the top pass catchers on the ram so we know later I’m going to be targeting Mr Matthew Stafford here still not most important to us I then in the fifth round draft Anthony Richardson before taking my first running back Joe Mixon who should be a third round pick per my rankings um that’s not withstanding we’ll continue then I come Jonathan Brooks again quote unquote reach per 80P I took him at 83rd overall he’s currently going 102 overall and Zach Moss at the next turn again an ADP around 102 taking him at pick 86 so my first eight rounds and this is kind of the meat and potatoes of our roster on Underdog these first seven eight rounds I started four wide receivers a quarterback and then rattled off three running backs so this idea of like Zero running back is this a zero running back team or like what are you seeing that I took as an exploit here I think yeah I think there’s a couple things there like one I love that you in the first four rounds you took so you took puka and Cooper cup you got that Rams wide receiver reping and like you said especially on Underdog where you have the playoff format where like St you’re going to want to Stack those guys probably like that’s a lot of draft Capital so you know you’re probably going to get Stafford I love that you still like you got the high upside rushing quarterback Anthony Richardson there in the fifth um I like that some people might think okay I’m locked into Stafford you know okay I’ve got a bet on him having a big year I I like the a that you didn’t like force um you didn’t think oh I’m waiting on quarterback which you know they have the highest you know they’re those topend guys the Dual threat guys they can separate on a given week so I like that you were willing to to take Richardson there who were real high on this week we were talking in Discord with the subs today um so you still were willing to pull the trigger there and instead of just being like Tunnel Vision on like okay Stafford’s going to be my quarterback I’ll just take another late guy with him um and that you kind of let it play out from there and I think that to your question about the Zero running back thing I think that sometimes people you know they don’t see uh the forest through the trees you know that sort of thing um like it’s more about the specific players and you know which specific players can you get and where can you get them where are you drafting that’s where like we talk a lot about last year um and we will this year again Dynamic drafting being able to to flow with the room and see where things are going so like for you like being able to get you know you have Mixon who based on your rankings and his archetype what he’s been he goes to that Houston offense like he’s a perfect guy who like he kind of sustains he puts up some big games once in a while um but he fits perfectly on that that roster and then you’ve got Brooks who’s like that high upside rookie um you know who probably going to get stronger as the season goes on um you know I think just the way the types of backs that you put on that team are what kind of fit it together really well that’s the thing I noticed first uh when you sent me this roster earlier so continuing that discussion there is a common again the common EX accepted idea of a zero running back roster is we’re waiting at the position and then we must take at least six running backs so you’ll notice on this roster and why do we do that well we want to leverage variants we want to because running back obviously we know um is the most of injured position we know that its fantasy value is most most um closely tied to volume um so we want more shots on goal on a zero RB roster but tying that idea of variance and knowing that variance is at its peak right now in this early portion of this draft window with that same discussion that you had earlier about we have to fade injuries for the next three or four months well what’s the flip side of that what happens if you know we don’t know what the what the backfield split is going to be in Carolina what if Jonathan Brooks just comes in the rb1 from this draft class and takes over that backfield well would we want to have him on six running back builds at this point no because if we get that news he’s jumping up into the third round similar discussion for Tyler aler why did I take him on this roster and why did I stop at four running backs it’s leveraging variance everybody okay we don’t want to use we don’t want to speak in absolutes with everybody but the general population based on our observations last year two years ago this year are not embracing enough variance in this early draft window on a zero running back build like this the common practice right now is to draft six running backs what happens if Bon Robinson blows an Achilles after two snaps and pulls an Aaron Rogers this season what happens if ban Robinson gets hurt in July and tears an ACL on the practice field we saw it happen two or three times last season where is Tyler aljer gonna end up Bashan is a first round pick he’s probably going to end up in the Slate second early third round where would he be most beneficial if he’s in a Workhorse role to us if we are able to make the other positions on the roster Elite so that was kind of the premise of why I stopped at four running backs here I’m not saying like oh I just think that like like Joe Mixon and Jonathan Brooks and Zach moss and Bon like is gonna get hurt like I’m not trying to predict what’s going to happen I’m just placing this roster in the best potential spot to leverage that additional variance that we have right now so go ahead oh yeah and I think that’s that’s very well laid out and like just looking at those guys like obviously Elger is going to he’s going to need an injury probably he he still is going to have some contingent value and he’ll have like the random week where like the bejon like the regular owners or the DFS owners will be pissed off because he like flips in two touchdowns and contributes even if Robinson never gets hurt but like the guys who really stand out to me are Brooks and Moss because those are the guys who if August comes around and like Brooks is coming off a torn AC he would have been if he didn’t tear his ACL last year he would have been a first round end of the first round guy probably um so like if he comes in in August and like he just looks like pretty healthy and he’s going to be good to go like to your point he’s gon to be like a fourth fifth round guy that’s where those like high-end rookies end up those rookie running backs same with Zach Moss right now he’s going in the eighth round and you know Chase Brown I didn’t see on this one but’s the the 10th round yeah that’s because there’s like that uncertainty there well like moss was like a boss I didn’t mean to rhyme there but um in like for Indianapolis last year when Taylor was out well he’s stepping into that if he just takes over the Joe Mixon role and he’s like the lead guy for the Bengals offense that we’ll talk another week about everybody sleeping on them um but where’s he gonna go if it comes out and like he looks like he’s going to get that 70 80% workload that Mixon had like he’s gonna be like you won’t be to to our earlier discussion you wouldn’t be able to create this team in August um you know and both of those guys I don’t really see there being that much opportunity for their draft for where they’re being drafted to be worse in August so I love the way again it’s the guys that you fit into those spots it’s not just like randomly oh take receivers here and then take running backs here it’s who are those receivers who are those running backs 100% And we know Zack Taylor head coach the Cincinnati Bengals Gary kubak disciple we know that he has proven that he wants to utilize a lead back we know that that offense is still a Zack Taylor offense is still run by Joe burrow we have all these indicators and also by the way his only current competition in the backfield for touches are all fifth round or later drafted players over the last three seasons so um there’s not a lot of competition again he’s just yeah that archetype that profile is kind of what I’m looking to Target here and I thought it fit very well in this zero quote unquote zero RB build let’s quickly talk about the tight end room here um Dalton Schultz was actually a Faller so this is beyond ADP and that’s kind of he just made sense for this roster um I get it like that he has some added Target competition but again another Gary kubak disciple and if I saw an interesting um I think it was from Ryan Heath uh over at fantasy points um article that he posted today that was like a third of all the top 24 wide receiver scores came from five coaches guess guess who those were Mike McDaniel it was Kyle Shanahan it was sha McVey it was Bobby Slow these are all Gary kubak disciples Um Zack Taylor is also one I wrote up something yesterday two days ago or maybe it was in one of the training sessions all FL together isn’t it yeah like Zack Taylor yeah exactly Zack Taylor although he is a Gary kubak disciple he is the one outlier who is not like stealing things from his Brethren his his cousins will’ll say um he’s the one like even Bobby slowick like uh two-thirds of the way through the season last season was like plucking stuff from Mike McDaniel Kyle Shanahan talked about um how he did that and we we talked about that on um or xandir I guess and I talked about that on the um DFS the Slate podcast last week or last year in depth too where it’s was like Sean McVey Kyle Shanahan they’re all stealing stuff from Mike McDaniel um and he’s taking this this league is being taken by storm mik Dan that’s a a story for a different day um anyway I get it with Dalton Schultz he was a Faller but backing that up now taking jonu Smith and Mike gaseki two tight ends who have a lot of uncertainty right now and I say uncertainty because Mike giki is coming from Miami where they didn’t utilize him heavily and going to Cincinnati where now they have this hole at tight end we have jonu Smith and this is very interesting jonu Smith had a 60-yard touchdown catch and run he caught it beyond Behind the line of scrimmage last year where he logged the second fastest ball carrier speed of any tight end since they started tracking that metric which was I believe in 2001 um second fastest ball carrier speed do we not think that Mike McDaniel is gonna have some stuff going on with that uh probably anyway but these are two uh I guess three potential upside tight ends I knew waiting until Dalton Schultz as the first tight end drafted that I wanted to take three um I knew that I could do that because of the quarterbacks I took and all this kind of coming together in an 18r draft where we got to make some of these sacrifices and typically in Zero running back builds the sacrifice is at running back so that we can bolster the other positions on the roster we want quarterback to be Elite we want wide receiver to be elite we want tight end to be elite so that we can leverage the additional variance at running back as we’ve discussed up to here so some big exploits that I utilized on this roster embracing additional variants that zero RB build embracing additional variant at the running back position stopping at four but selecting archetype running backs that could move up into the third fourth round taking additional wide receivers and taking upside wide receivers so I am high on K Shakir we have all these reports that are coming out that Keon Coleman was drafted to be the xtype wide receiver that was Stefan Diggs we’ll see to me this man is more of a Gabe Davis than he was a Stefon Diggs the the fit from Keon Coleman in Buffalo made very little sense to me on draft day and it still doesn’t make a whole lot of sense um and it’s like do we expect Curtis Samuel to be like that doesn’t make sense to me either um Curtis Samuel has extreme overlap with um tight end Dalton concade they both have low ad do they both run heavy uh percentage of the routes out of the slot so it’s like where is the guy that is gonna be that like possessions type wide receiver with the upside I’m just throwing a bet here that it’s gonna be khil Shakir third-year wide receiver has proven that he can break out with the snaps as he did last year I mean he had 300 yard games last year uh that’s that’s that’s noteworthy right um kin Sutton is the alpha we’ll call it the wide receiver 1A I don’t know what you want to call it on his team but what sticks out to me from cland Sutton his underlying metrics against various um coverage shells last season were borderline El I mean he was almost top 24 across the board uh which is a good thing and then bringing it in with Malik Washington again a speedy wide receiver that was drafted handpicked by Mike McDaniel reports from draft day three were that he was screaming all day two to try and draft this man and then they finally pulled the trigger on him and he was elated if you want to go look at his call when he got drafted go check that on Twitter um and then Greg dorch potential for some PPR upside well this is half PPR so I’ll save that and then at Perry at Perry we kind of just glance over the fact that he had a two touchdown game last year we kind of just glance over the fact um that Michael Thomas is no longer in New Orleans we kind of just glance over the fact that um like this guy is probably going to see 80% of the weekly snaps um over there in New Orleans so high upside youngsters um to round out and I wanted to bolster the wide receiver position instead of taking an additional shot on a Dylan lob or a Tyrone Tracy um some of these guys who have lower chances of being like that Workhorse type back um quick wrap-up thoughts on this discussion my dude um biggest thing to me is I I really like the tight end group um I like how you put it together specifically um and again don’t want to give too much way uh but I love how you paired two of your tight ends you paired with your running backs you know especially at this point in the year because um you know your running backs we talked about for them to pay off for this roster to work out for you you’re banking on Houston and Cincinnati having like they’re they’re going to have good offenses again and Moss and Mixon are kind of the guys well if they do have really good offenses especially in this like you said it’s half PPR on Underdog so like touchdowns are huge so like okay now you have likely the starting tight end um for those teams if moss and Mixon are putting it together and they’re having a big season it’s because the offense is doing well the offense is doing well these tight ends are going to have a chance to you know do one of do those guys do they alternate two touchdown games during the playoff weeks and kind of get you there so I love how once you built it this way and you were going to have to use three tight ends you were able to um kind of tell that story I do my story articles what is the story your roster is telling and that story totally makes sense here and Janu fits in the same way getting him and Malik Washington paired with WD like um you know you’ve got the Tyreek Hill obviously is a big part of what they do um and their back field but those ancillary pieces you know McDaniel’s like he’s a he’s a freaking wizard like this guy’s awesome the league is adjusting to him he’s going to adjust to them um and I think that some of those ancillary pieces bringing in Janu and Malik um they’re going to be a lot less predictable than they were last year where it was just Tyreek Wadd or the running backs like he’s gonna get those other positions involved and I think they purposely address those weaknesses in the offseason um so yeah I love how how you brought that position group together and also there in Miami again leveraging the uncertainty the variance what happens if Tyreek Hill gets injured during training camp I have every other piece except the running backs on this roster so again another piece of leveraging that variance leaning into it a little bit heavier than the field is doing right now so we covered a lot of the kind of just looks around the industry what’s going on in best ball land we covered some of these pillars of best ball from a theoretical sense um and we kind of gave um a a an example of a roster that I drafted today do you have any parting shots before we get out of here man we’ll keep it below 45 minutes no I mean I uh yeah I mean I I talked about drafters and my EV I just finished um doing our training session for the week so um I think that um you know everybody can get to that for this week too um yeah the biggest thing like I said is I think right now having a game plan like not just firing blindly assuming people have like a limited um Bank role that sort of thing like think about what you’re trying to get in when you get in like make sure you understand the contest you’re in make sure um you’re thinking about how do I want to attack that and if you’re not sure subscribe to best ball plus and we’ll help figure it out um I did want to I did want to at the end last year at the end of this Friday pod we did together the last thing we did was we each uh set a guy I don’t remember who yours was but I remember mine um that like we were like oh this is a guy like flag plant sort of deal like yeah that I want like I’m targeting in most drafts mine was Isaiah likely the reason I remember it is he was on my seventh place drafter team and was like smashing the last four weeks so I was like yes um so I thought we could do that again this year I don’t know throwing this at you but um no I got mine you got yours all right you go first it’s khil Shakir man um I think it’s Flag plant worthy and at current valuations I mean his ADP I drafted him before ADP but his ADP is down here in the 10th 11th round um getting leveraging that uncertainty we know that like Josh Allen makes that offense similar discussion to be had with Patrick Mahomes and Rashid rice last season where you’re getting a young wide receiver we’re getting leveraging the uncertainty we know the offense is going to score points because they have Josh Allen and kind of leveraging that uncertainty I think the the range of outcomes profile of a guy like khil Shakir versus his current cost in the 10th 11th round I think is just completely lopsided towards the upside I dig it I dig it um so who’s yours I’m gonna go with TJ hackinson um okay I like that I know he’s coming off a tour in ACL but like at this point in the draft cycle so like he was in week 16 or whenever he got hurt like through 15 or 16 weeks he was the tight end one um and he’s a guy I was high on last year um I had him ranked um like I I had had him ranked in like the 30s I was not taking him in the third because I could wait till the fourth but he was like basically my highest own player um and then he did have that tight end one season until he got hurt and then leaport passed him the last couple weeks but um you know the guys aren’t it’s not taking what it used to take to come back from acl’s you know he’s going to be nine months removed he’s got a rookie quarterback likely either Sam darnold or or rookie quarterback JJ McCarthy um you know I just think he’s going in like the 10th to 12th rounds depending on the site and and what’s going on and it’s like it kind of feels like like it’s just asymmetric upside right like he’s it’s being priced in as like he’s gonna suck for a month or miss the first couple weeks whereas like I mean he could have if he has anything close to last year’s season um you know just cooking with gas so uh he’s my guy man are you just the tight end Whisperer I mean if you’re going to crush two tight end picks in a row we’re gonna find out I guess yeah putting the 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