On this week’s episode of GOLF’s Subpar, PGA Tour winner Parker McLachlin joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The Short Game Chef talks how he started working with other Tour players, the worst case of the yips he’s ever seen and playing President Barack Obama in basketball.
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All right here we go time for another episode of golf subpar well it’s another another week’s Le but uh not a surprise world number one dominates again just an incredible final round from Scotty Sheffer winning back-to-back players championships the first time this has ever happened in the 50 years with a
Final round 64 I mean started off five shots back had a hurt neck was there ever any doubt uh no actually yeah there was some doubt I would say there was some doubt but like dude more than anything just like what a week we finally had one you know we’ve been
Talking about where are the stars where are the bigname players and then you know at the bigname events and then we get Scotty Sheffer at Bay Hill played unbelievably we’re probably taking it for granted at this point but like we didn’t have the dramatic finish right it
Was just a runaway it’s like you could have turned that thing off on the back nine more or less like Scotty ain’t losing this thing finally for the the first time this year we got a big event with big names and we got a dramatic finish on without question like the most
Dramatic closing holes in golf dude and it was it was unbeliev I mean it was spectacular you got world number one doing world number one things you got Windam Clark who’s you know now top five in the world fourth in the world golf rankings probably the second best player
To Scotty at this point in the world right now you got sheffler wendham Harmon Xander all battling like we finally got it and it was a hell of a week it was the most fun I’ve had watching golf in a long time I watched every second of it it I mean my hands
Were sweating with those guys coming down the stretch it was one of those Windham had a five five shot lead after 36 holes and at not at one point did I ever be like okay this is going to be a runaway this golf course having played
It many of times in the past it’s so hard to be a leader around there because you just know at any moment you could lose two three shots to par anything can happen around there and it’s so hard to play with the lead just because you want
To protect so much but if you go out there and you play aggressive and you’re on your game like we saw Scotty sheffler do like we saw Xander sha do on Saturday like you can go low around there it’s just it’s a terrifying golf course and I
Think that’s what makes it one of the most fun to watch all year yeah it seems to be a it’s a dicey place when you got two hands on the wheel when you’re playing like hey don’t mess up don’t mess up I got five and I’m not saying
Windham did that but Windham looked on the weekend like he wasn’t firing on all cylinders like he was Thursday Friday like he was swinging it beautifully off the tea it was incredible his putter was back to where it was like at Pebble Beach he was making everything and then
On the weekend didn’t quite have it you see some of those High RS that he hits out there when things get under the gun but they stay and play like people like the bag on I’m like dude that’s part of golf like figuring out a shot that you
Can just get in play when you can’t feel your hands but I thought it was from a Windom perspective impressive like he didn’t have his best stuff on on Saturday Sunday yet he still had a chance to win that golf tournament all the way up to the 72nd hole and I think
If you rewind a year a little over a year ago like that’s not the case and when he won the US Open like things were clicking pretty damn good same with Quail Hollow like he was unbeatable and then he just he he found a way to be relevant and contend without his best
Stuff but right now like wiam said said uh he’s the best player in the best player in the world like Scotty’s Head and Shoulders above everyone else he’s not the only one to say it and by the way that putt that went more than halfway under the ground was just
Disgusting Li out I was hoping for a playoff just because I didn’t want the thing to end it was that much fun sitting on the couch watching it Gotta Give a huge shout out to NBC they had a fantastic week and our guy Johnson Wagner MVP of the week Johnson Wagner
Five tool guy hey Johnson we need to get out here on seven just hu balls at the side of this bank as hard as you can we’re going to need you to go here create the unhitable Rory maroy shot again make you look like an [ __ ] he
Get over I mean he did everything dude he was unbelievable shout out wagu as we said on sirusxm the price of wagu went up after that but it was it was a great week for everyone involved Scotty sheffler I mean what can you say I mean
He just goes out every single I mean he’s got a hurt neck he’s out there getting stretched on by his trainer marus says he might not be able to continue decides to tough it out shoots three underpar 69 on that Friday and then goes out Sun Saturday didn’t feel
That great what’s he do just 16 17 18 shoots 68 there he is five back going into Sunday you’re like what’s going to happen slow start par par par well he’s probably not going to have it this week hoop wedge and then here we go see you
Later I’m out of here you know like going back to that Saturday finish the birdie birdie birdy like I know they weren’t looking at it at the time but like when Windam and Xander and those guys that were at the top got in they’re like oh damn like he’s only five back
You know I guarantee they had to look at that like if eight back it’s like okay I don’t have to worry about Scotty Sheffield that’ll be nice but he gets it to five and then like yeah when they interviewed Windam hey when was the first time you looked at the scoreboard
And noticed Scotty shuffler was up there he’s like I didn’t really look at anything until 11: he’s like then I looked up and saw Scotty I was like well yeah of course of course Scotty like can you give us one week where we don’t have to worry about you but that’s the
Testament like he’s in he he’s a contemporary right now and these guys are talking about him like that you know giving him that much accolades you don’t see that with currents too often it’s normally like guys that are done playing like that guy was the best but they’re doing that to
Scotty right now yeah you know I I exchanged some text with John ROM after it just asked if he watched um and all he said yeah I caught the end of it and I said like what do you what’s your thoughts on Scotty he’s like what do you
Want me to say he’s incredible like he put on an incredible performance and the golf he’s playing right now is unbelievable yeah I don’t think there’s any like there’s a lot of debate about different things going on in the game of golf right now there’s one that’s not a
Debate and that’s who’s the best at the sport and it’s Scotty and he’s not the loudest and doesn’t give the big interviews and stuff like that but the D like appreciate this cuz I almost feel like it’s getting taken for granted cuz he isn’t tooting his own horn and he
Doesn’t do all the loud stuff you know and he just goes about his business and beats everyone’s head and it’s two weeks with this new putter two weeks positive Strokes gain putting and two wins one and a Runway and one you know he wasn’t even feeling 100% the entire week it’s
Pretty wild what he’s doing Scotty learned how to putt Scotty does know Scotty does know um and I will say listen it’s not like I went out on limb but when I was doing the show last week from Shadow Creek having a time oh let’s
Talk about that a little bit what my guy Andy Reid doing is he alive still that dude was I believe he was red than Santa Claus when he popped his little head in there I believe he has made it back to Winnipeg Vegas is very happy to get rid
Of him but I did say Scotty Sheffer which what aell hell of a call right godamn it’s just it’s so special to watch but I will give a shout out to all the boys from Winnipeg we had a blast up there three days at Shadow Creek is a
Lot the Oxford proom was so much fun had three perfect the last day the wind blew a little bit of course the toughest of conditions after you just beat your body to [ __ ] for two three nights in a row um but man it was so F I can’t wait to do
It again yeah three nights in Vegas equals two nights too many people were texting me they like yo who’s that dude that just popped his head in her PO popped onto the podcast like I don’t know that’s dude from Canada that Cole was playing with and he seemed happy as
[ __ ] looked like a great Squad you had though it was a lot of fun all the boys douge Carrie Brent and then our MVP our leader Jeremy Krueger who I found out son is named Freddy that’s coach coach yeah I liked him I liked him he had good
He had good energy did y’all do any good in that thing uh yeah finished we finished completed completed all 54 holes it uh we we finished all 54 like I said it was it was awesome man Shadow I mean anytime you get to go to Shadow Creek hang out with everybody there
Monty Monty was driving around his cart chirping me the whole time trying to side bet me sound like Monty I know that doesn’t sound like him I’m heading up there this weekend actually here we go well I don’t know it back I don’t know how much booze they have left you you
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Next guest on social media cooking up some Saucy treats for the boys he’s a former PJ tour winner turned short game Guru the chef Parker mclaughin long overdue good to have you buddy dude I mean I see all the names up here it’s nice to uh finally add a my name up
There this is this will be got you’re busy man you g all these lessons you don’t have time to come in here and do this little podcast I’m waiting for you to call get in the kitchen oh but you ever been in the kitchen uh what I putt
From any anything inside like 30 yards I just putt it I mean I don’t really need help with that bang it up there yeah a lot less can go wrong you and every other member at Whisper rock hey man it gets a little soft and wet in those in
Those collection areas I ain’t chipping too much booze in the system no matter how long it’s been since I drank T I can’t handle those yeah little ties no I mean that that that’s like the exact thing like you know like Pinehurst was sort of the the impetus of like when the
US Open started cutting rough down and shaving everything off and it’s everything starts falling off into these areas right these collection areas and they’re cut really tight and and all the water gravitates there right and so that’s like really why some of the stuff that I’ve been doing on social is sort
Of hit because it’s been like it’s become a problem for everybody in golf I mean yeah all courses are going to that like type of like runoffs it collects here short you know tight grass got to hit the little zippers as opposed to like when you put like the old school
Courses I guess still have the Rough Around the green that’s the tricky stuff for me now when I go like dude I haven’t played from rough in a year you know what I mean I just hit the same shot over and over around here I no problem
With the rough it’s when I get down there in those collection areas and I can feel the ground move under my feet and I’m like oh dear God like if I don’t catch this perfect I’m going to lay it right in front of me I grew up in Texas
Where it’s dormant Bermuda it’s firm and like you actually like use the bounce or actually if you want to use the Leading Edge you can and it just I think a lot of people think it’s easier to chip out here in Scottsdale on the over seat and
I actually found out my my chipping got worse when I moved out here yeah uh I mean you’re not you’re not alone right I mean it depends on where you grow up I think that people that you know grow up in T right they they understand how to
Play out of you know that into the grain Bermuda grass and if they move here they they probably feel like it’s easier sometimes but um boy you get that newly that that new overseed Ry grass and it’s soft it’s like M no no thing better than that burnt out Bermuda like laying into
You with a little bit wet he a little bit muddy underneath I’m like I’m going to put this behind my back foot and just slam that like that’s and I have no it’s just like get it up there somewhere close whereas On The Rise stuff I’m like
You can do whatever you want yeah totally different because for me it’s like oh this is Into The Grain and Bermuda I’ll just stab it just dig that Leading Edge of the ground and just pop it like we saw Min wo Le do yeah he got
A nice took a I mean his Club was just not stoping I’m like I know that shot and like we used to play Bump and runs and stuff in Texas and here with the overseed you try to drill it into a slope it just plugs and comes right back
At you so how do I how do I fix that I mean we on the clock right now proon this is proon work well that’s the thing it’s like there’s a recipe for all these different kinds of shops right and sort of like um that’s sort of where like the
Name sort of came from was like there’s a there’s a recipe and an ingredients for all these different shots around the green uh it’s not just like oh just hit your stock one it’s like no you got to have all kinds of different shots to be able to handle these different lies with
Different up slopes and different down slopes and different grass and hit it high with some spin hit it low with some spin you got to have all those all those types of shots so I I sat with Roger Cleveland when we were in La a couple weeks ago I mean he’s Legend obviously
One of the greatest wedge designers there’s ever been and I was kind telling him like some of the shots I’ve been struggling with and he’s like hold on he went over and he just built me a wedge which I’m very lucky that that’s I’m able to do that but for the people
Listening at home like should they have a different wedge like depending on where they’re from where they play most of their golf in the certain conditions oh absolutely um it starts I think there’s there’s two factors that go into it number one would be like your normal
Attack angle how Are you delivering the club are you someone that’s Steep and holding on are you someone that releases it too early um and then the second factor is where are you playing are you playing most of your golf in Seattle or most of your golf in Midland Texas those
Are two massively different Turf conditions that you got to account for so between those two things is how you should start to pick your wedge all I mean I know it’s obviously there’s a lot that goes into it but say you’re a Bermuda guy more firm conditions
Compared to a lush overseed like what should be the difference in the bounce in your wedges well if there’s more give you want to go with a little more bounce right you want that that bounce is going to help push you and sort of like help
Keep you surfing on top of the grass that’s sort of how you would you would imagine bounce to to work and so if you’re in those like Seattle poana kind of conditions like you want that bounce to kind of keep you up up above that ground whereas if you’re in that firm
You know Midland Texas anywhere in kind of that Texas area you’re going to want this thing if you’re going to lay a blade open like it’s if it’s sitting on this table right here if you lay that blade open if you got 12 14 degrees of
Bounce it’s going to sit way up and it’s going to look really bad so you want something with less bounce for those type of firmer like you know you go over to Scotland you play firmer conditions over there you know in the summertime yeah right you’re going to want
Something that’s going to sit flat like that to the ground like a putter flatter [ __ ] so when you’re giving your lessons online and people are you know sending you videos from Florida and then the next dude’s in Seattle or whatever you got to like it’s not like there’s one technique cuz I see
Some of the online stuff and we’ll get into that like vers the Steep vers the shallow and stuff like that and my whole thing was like yeah dude it totally the shot I hit it out here in Arizona off this ride where I can make it zip like I
Can’t hit that down there off of certain lies in Florida so you have to like tweak the way you teach based on conditions don’t you it’s not like one size fits all defitely yeah I would say that most people are looking for like that’s the nuanced part of it right but
Most people are looking for something that they can like just trust blanket yeah yeah like hey just give me something that I can trust under the gun right like that’s what most people are looking for and whether you’re playing for your Club Championship or playing a high school match or whatever it is
Someone’s you’re playing for five bucks against your buddies you’re looking for something you can trust from 5 10 15 20 feet 30t off the green and so that’s what I’m I’m doing most of my stuff with that right once you get past that you start getting into the more nuan stuff
That’s when you start figuring out okay well hey have you tried a little lower long have you tried a little draw path have you tried to open the face up and and tried a little more like 202 303 level stuff as oppos like people like I
Can’t chip on the green get me on the green yeah help build people their foundation and then once they’ve got their Foundation built then we can start to get creative off of that Foundation but you got to have the foundation built CU if your foundation is all over the
Map like hey let’s get Steep and Cy then all of a sudden you you don’t really have the ability to hit like a a low one back to a back pin with a little draw so you got to start with something that’s sort of like neutral I call it the like
The vanilla pit shot you got to start with something that’s a little bit neutral and then work towards like getting getting creative off of that off of that neutral take take the average golfer not any of the tour players you work with what’s the most common mistake
In the short game you see the average player make uh they just don’t move their body they they think it’s like a short shot it should just be like a short swing and so it becomes very like handsy armsy like nothing moves and the second that they just get this club like
Super vertical in the back swing they’re done cuz they haven’t pivoted at all so usually that’s that and and they reach for the 60° like way too often when it’s like you would be much better off trying to hit a nineiron here um but nobody practices that and they see the guys on
TV using 60° every every shot around the green but it’s like these guys are practicing nine hours a day like yeah they’re using one club because they’re good at it and they’ve practiced it um I I think for the amateur golfer like taking less loft is always a good option
Um but also you got to Mo you got to use your body you got to move this is great Parker thanks for actually recording it episode we’re just getting a free lesson right now free lesson this is fantastic keep going uh all right so for the people listening out there aren’t
Familiar give us some of the tour Pros you work with and now he asked about the Amer side on the tour side when guys reach out to you what is it that they’re typically looking for obviously they want to get better with their short games but it’s like I can’t hit this
Certain shot or my bunker game or like is there a common theme amongst the pros that you deal with yeah I mean I think with most Pros they’re obviously all pretty good once they come to me um but when you when you start looking at like individual cases like Colin Mora came to
Me last off season looking to perfect well he was like I haven’t really actually had a short game lesson right so he was looking to just kind of get an overall Viewpoint of like cuz he never misses a green yeah he does exactly right once a day he doesn’t need to he
Doesn’t need to practice that much so um he just wanted he wanted like hey where do I start and so I gave him I gave him some things we worked um we worked really hard on on just getting him like a standard pit shot understanding how to use the bounce
Um understanding what width and and shallowness and and all this stuff meant um and and just took a comprehensive look at where he was with his with his short game um but yeah like you know a good example would be Tom Kim a couple weeks ago at the waist management he
Came and said look I can only hit a low spinner I need to learn how to hit from a little low area up higher and still have it grab I can’t hit that shot it’s either the low spinner or the high flop shot and so and so we get diving into
How to do that right so it’s it’s a specific type of a shot that he was looking for um and it was cool and it was cool to see like that particular week on Friday on 14 he gets up right um just the pin’s front right and he misses
It short right in the Fairway no real green to work with got to go uphill and he chips this thing in flies it onto the green bounce bounce check and trickles in the hole goes on to make the cut on the number and and that shot was kind of
A Difference Maker to to making the cut or or not making the cut so cool to see stuff like that um with with highlevel players right um but my you know my whole goal with with doing this has always been to get the the information that the PGA tour players know and
Instinctively know and get that information to the amers because the tour players make it look so easy they make it um seem like it’s very easy but they’re also stacking the odds in their favor right they’re using the bounce when it when appropriate and and the am golfer you know unfortunately makes
Makes golf way harder than it needs to be and so my whole goal with starting short game Chef was to basically be like I want to give the amateurs the best chance of success around the greens and help them to sort of modernize their short game with with some of these
Techniques that that I’ve learned over the years of playing on tour yeah the rich amers pay way better than the tour person but don’t as a teacher mics are off right now is there ever an incentive like I don’t want to make this guy super
Good or else he stops coming back to me it’s like a doctor like I don’t want to fix you all the way or else you’re not a customer anymore you know what I mean like just keep giving them little nibbles but be like you’re almost there
But you’re not there I’ll see you tomor doctors are legally allowed to do that this might be I think you’d be surprised I think you’d be surprised yeah I’ve taken the opposite approach like I want to make my guys autonomous right it’s it’s a terrible business model then
You’re out of a terrible business model but I want to make my guys especially my top guys I want to make them autonomous I want to make them like have ownership of their game ownership of their short game because on Sundays when they’re choking their guts out and they can’t swallow
Uh on Sunday walking I don’t want them to have to look outside the ropes and be like what shot am I supposed to hit here I want them to know and like understand like yeah I own this shot I’ve worked on it I own I understand what I’m what I’m
Trying to do here so I weirdly enough I want them to own it and not actually have to use me that’s a good answer that’s a good answer on the mic we’s talk off man I’m fascinated to hear this because I know a lot of our listeners
Struggle and they they have the chipping yips we see it every day up at West Brock not going to mention any names of any directors of golf or anything like that going talk about all they’re directors yes but I think the the biggest question is can chipping yips be
Cured in in your opinion because and I know it was a show but I remember when Barkley went on Haney show and all this and he kept saying he doesn’t have the Yips it’s not a mind problem it’s a technique problem which the dude was
Frozen on the way down so I don’t agree with that but do you think The Yips are more of a technique problem or more of a mind problem and can you fix them that’s a I mean I think that’s a really good question McCord and I have actually had
A lot of good conversations on this McCord is taking a deep dive into the mental Side Of The Yips right he’s just fascinated by it I’ve taken a deep dive into the the technical side of The Yips um I think at the end of the day it’s
It’s a it’s a combination of both but it also depends on how long has that person been in that chipping Yip state where they’re just Frozen They’re they’re fearful right um I’ve had some people that have come to me let’s say like division one golfers that have been like
I’m stuck I I’ve been yipping it for the last six months eight months 12 months whatever it’s been and with a couple of technique changes and philosophy changes also sudden they’re chipping it awesome but they don’t have the same amount of scar tissue as someone that comes to me
That says I’ve been in this for 12 years I finally found your stuff and now like I feel like I’m making progress but I’m like we spent two three hours and it’s like but they they were way better than when they started but you can see it
Still present itself every now and again where they Flinch or they just sort of have that that little moment of like I’m scared to the ground and they Yip it um that person it it it takes the mental work as well so it’s a combination of
Both but I mean I’ve seen I’ve I’ve helped probably over a 100 people out of the chipping yips oh wow yeah um probably 50 in person and 50 have gone through my online cure The Yips program and it’s like they’ve sent notes like dude I’ve Had The Yips for a while and
With your program it’s it’s gone my wife is so happy I’m happier at home now yeah no long my dog no longer has broken ribs every day it makes people like cry dude when they fix that i’ see I got an old buddy his old friend had it for dude I
Don’t know how long like one-handed then just went to the putter then went to like just eight iron bounce it onto the green type of stuff and like he whatever he did this a while back got fixed and like he was like literally in tears when
He would hit like a chip to 3 feet like dude I haven’t been able to do that in 10 years yeah I have uh I have a guy I had a guy Bryce Moulder um got this guy to come to me and Bryce is like this is
This guy has the worst chipping I don’t mean to laugh I can see Bryce explaining this no yeah and so Bryce Drew up a contract um for this guy he says look if Parker can fix you you will pay Parker 10% of everything you make I’m not going
To mention the the notorious La club that he’s a member at but Bryce said look if if Parker fixes you you’re paying him 10% of everything and so sure enough I get venos from this guy like 50 bucks he just like had a great day at the course chipped it close a
Bunch of times beautiful what a guy I mean yeah no it’s amazing it’s amazing um but but anyway like it’s it’s pretty fun to see these people like exit out of being so fearful of something and then actually feeling like oh I’m if they can if they can get great at it they’ll
Actually want to be like oh I want to show off but I would say if if we can get him out of the The Yips part of it and the fearful part of it and get him into serviceable like that’s a huge win it just amazes me like I mean how fast
It can happen yeah I mean you see guys like I mean Graham DEET was so open about it when it happened to him I mean one of the best ball Strikers on the PGA tour had a great career out there and then all of a sudden one day just got
The flinches and literally couldn’t play I mean he withdrew from aoral and he he put it out there on social media he’s like look I’m struggling with the Chip And Yips I’m gonna try to go figure this out it basically ruined his career yeah we saw tiger deal with it here in
Phoenix too right yeah he got it real quick yeah yeah all it takes it’s always the greatest ball Strikers too like you never see the guy probably cuz you hitting 16 greens you only chip twice like your technique’s probably not as good as the guy missing 12 greens around
But like Brock McKenzie I would go back to like that guy to this day one of the best pure ball Strikers hitting it out of the middle of the face that I’ve ever been around I think he led the corn fairy tour uh in Greens in regulation in
His last year and lost his cart yep because he could not putt or CH like he putting and chipping yeah then he went to the one-handed he could still win like mini tour events chipping one-handed cuz he literally chipped once per round but it seems like it’s always
The great ball Strikers it is it really is and I was I was the opposite of that I’m sure you guys looked up some of my stats but I was like I probably averaged like nine greens around and I was like okay that’s nine opportunities to try to
Chip in that’s the way I looked at it I just want to thank you for thinking we do homework on this show that was nice I actually do have a little homework but I believe this is correct when you won in Reno uh I think you had a huge cushion
By the way shot 74 the last round and won by seven but anyways you hit one green on the front shot level yes like dude you could easily normal bad shippers could you could shoot seven over freak out eight for eight and up and downs yeah one green 36 put it on
Cruise control like yeah it was the it was the worst ball striking round of of like any winner for like I think it was probably like 10 years and then I think Ricky Fowler maybe a year and a half ago or a couple years ago in Phoenix was
Like that’s when he like had that really bad round but it was terrible weather and all that stuff raining my round was like it it was like the worst ball striking round by a tour winner for like 10 years did you got it won by a million
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Have some more stuff coming out as the year goes on so if you haven’t yet go to YouTube subscribe golf subpar and now back to our interview I think all of us as as players you never really have a plan B right like you think you’re just
Going to play golf forever right off into the sunset things are going to be great like at what Point did you ever think okay coaching could be in my future uh yeah that’s a good question well my dad was a coach my brother my dad was like a legendary coach coached
Like Obama a bunch of high school championships uh in volleyball and basketball my brother coaches over at USC Women’s Volleyball like it’s kind of a little bit in the genes I think the communication part of it is in the jeans I never really thought about being a
Coach but um as I as I started playing like sort of worse and worse I would still get into a handful of tournaments but then it was like um okay well I’m playing five weeks a year what am I doing the other 47 weeks u i dabbled in
A little bit of commentating uh which was which was fun but I couldn’t really see myself um just turning on the the [ __ ] factor for you know I couldn’t I couldn’t be Charlie Rymer like that’s just not my personality um and Charlie’s great at doing that but I’m that’s just
Not my personality um and then then all of a sudden a caddy friend of mine Doug Schwimmer he was like yo you need to your short game so good like you should put out some tips for people to like get better and that’s sort of where short
Game Chef was born and then two days after I put that on social media Kevin stman called and he was like Hey I see you’re doing some short game instructing like can I spend a couple hours with you and that’s when this whole thing like really started and I’m like all right my
The first paid lesson I’m giving is to the guy ranked 93rd in the world I’d never given a short game lesson before and so I was like well I got to figure this out um but that’s that’s sort of how it started and then Kevin had told a
Bunch of Whisper rock members and they started coming to see me and um and then word sort of started organically spreading is has gone through more golf instructors than the Kardashians have plastic surgeons it’s not a lack of information for stre he’s got it all is it hard like I’ve transition transition.
Golf he’s done it you’ve done it like swallowing your pride and being like okay I’m no longer a player like I’m not trying to beat these guys anymore and you kind of have to accept that like I’m on the other side now is that was that a
Hard thing to do to be like okay I’m a teacher now instead of player you’ve been a player your whole life 1 million per I mean lot of lot of like uh you know like you know just long conversations with the wife and like figuring out like where is our path in
Going in this in this whole life right you always think of yourself as a player and you just sort of have that like dog mentality like I got to beat this guy and this guy and I always played that way I I would Pro I probably played
Angry right like I was like I I always had a chip on my shoulder um like I like chz reevy right like he was always sort of like we we played a lot of college golf together and he was like we were we’d always have this sort of like
Friction between the two of us and a couple years ago he reaches out and he’s like yo I want to spend some time together and I told my wife I was like yeah I’m going to go work with chz and she’s like chz used to be like like you
Guys used to battle and now you’re like helping him I was like yeah it’s like a it’s like a whole different like thing and like and I look at it and I I went I randomly was looking at his stats and like he’s like 23rd in strok SK around
The green this year right it’s like he’s done really well with the information that I’ve given him and I’m super stoked on it we’ve developed this like great relationship that’s not sort of like I want to beat you and I want to beat you but it’s become a really neat uh a neat
Relationship that I really value but um yeah it’s it’s different like to put on that different hat um and I’ll like I I separate it I’ll dress differently to just sort of think about like when I go coach like I’ll dress differently than I would if I was actually going to play in
A Tour event well CH shot 60 today playing with me so did he chip hope he took all your money did he chip uh he was my partner and we cleaned up oh you got it done with the 60 piece I I I cut him five shots everything was good oh
That’s nice I mean that’s a good we had we had a nice little up nicely 55 we shot net 17 under yes wow I get one as side birdied one of my stroke holes and pared the other so yeah chipped in I threw in a couple birdies for him I mean
Just sit back and watch do we need is that AAR out 20amps in there this self suck brand new feel free to just dap yourself up as much as you want you just got to slide a couple for the kids at the end of the
Year by the way give me a but T question to the Chip he hit two chips from what I can remember I bet he got up in part five he missed like a six-footer for birdie would have been 59 and he got the other one up and down from short of the
Green on fourth you all know the lower other than that I don’t think he chipped yeah it’s the time to start when you make 12 tweets you don’t really chip much how good is that he did that the same thing in the the pro scratch deal
That we had at The Rock he shot a million he won the thing by himself which is pretty damn impressive given those and then we went and just hyped the [ __ ] out of him on the show and then it went to Hawaii and like he played was
Like shot like four over the first day God damn this is going to be because I don’t know when this is going to come out but next week is the Players Championship which is a perfect golf course for him and I played with him two
Days in a row stripe up shot like three or 400 I think the first day from all the way back today was the hump day game he got 60 points smashed his quota shoot 60 and finished second because we got some uh interesting quotas up there at
The Rock Kyle Lo come on down Kyle’s earned it I feel like he’s had a lot of days not not cashing but so to get one coming back the game looks nice for chess shockingly yeah I believe that that’s cool you’re helping him out though give me this this is kind of
Putting you on the spot and it’s tough but if I was to say your favorite professional golfer don’t even have to be PJ tour around the greens and then your favorite putting stroke uh so I mean yeah I mean I would say there’s there’s a handful I think Jordan
Spe is pretty Sensational he goes like steep shallow he he’s got all the shots and and I don’t think he necessarily thinks about it I don’t think he consciously thinks about what shot he’s going to hit I think he lets the shot sort of speak to him and he just goes
Into this other place where where it’s just it’s mind blowing I remember doing a a PGA Tour live and we were following him at Hilton Head on Saturday Sunday and we watched every shot he hit and it was like this guy he HED out two bunker shots chipped in another time I’m like
Dude it’s true and every shot was like very different it wasn’t the same it was like so he’s he’s like on another level I think cam Smith is incredible um you know I think that you know like yeah I I I think that there’s there’s a lot of great short games guys
Do it a lot of different ways um I’d say you know like some of the players that I’ve worked with the longest like Anna nordquist a Keith Mitchell like I I appreciate where where we started and and where we’ve gone and and seeing the the path that both of
Those players have have gone on um and those are like two of the sort of proudest things that I’ve sort of been a part of um and greatest putting stroke um I mean you’re right up there like you got you got some you got some great Tempo like natural Tempo in your
Stroke um but I would say yeah I mean I I think I think spe and I’ve gotten a chance to spend a lot of time with Ben crenchaw and and watching him putt it it’s like in person it’s like a different level of drippy right like everything just drips it’s
Like and the way that he describes it um he’s got this really really light putter this 8802 that’s so light and the shaft is really light it’s the same one that he’s used to win to win The Masters and and you feel this Putter and it’s just
Like ungodly light and he says he says Parker when I putt my best it feels like it’s so heavy really that’s and I’m like Wella I mean you got to be like so like so soft in the arms and soft in the hands that’s one of his biggest things
He’s always been he’s like how like on a scale 1 to 10 how how tight do you grip and he’s like neg four yeah he’s like I don’t even feel like I’m holding on and it just swings yeah and I’ve spent time with Faxon too and Faxon is like on that
Next level when it comes to putting it’s just like mind-blowing how how he he can he grips the putter in a way where it’s not going to it it’s very movable but it’s not movable this way do you do you spend much time with people on their
Putting or is it mostly just short game uh no I think that that’s like that’s kind of like a sneaky part cuz like I’m sure you guys did your research as far as my putting stats my putting stats were really good um and I was always a
Great I was always a great putter but I always did it through my setup and my routine I never never I never really thought about my stroke um so when people feel like they’re in a good spot with their putting stroke they come to
Me and I get them in a in a good setup and a good routine and they start making putts um you went a million Holes without three putting like 350 or some [ __ ] like that wasn’t it yeah 350 something Holes without without three pting which is like 20 20 rounds in a
Row on tour yeah it was a good stretch um but yeah I just I never I didn’t three putt very often I was always like I always made everything inside of six feet and my lag putting was pretty good cuz again I didn’t think about my stroke
That much I was like I dove so deep into routine and how my routine would get me into a flow State and and I did this I did the same thing like shooting free throws with basketball it’s was like bounce I would bounce set go it was like
Very like natural yeah I think that’s the best way that people do anything whether it’s putting chipping shooting whatever it’s like the ones that look great they’re like you’re not thinking about tech it’s other guys that like have to you know tuck in the sleeves and
Do all this and I’m like dude he’s thinking about 17 things like it just looks different and he might be okay at it might be good at it but it’s different than like a watching a Jordan Speed chip like dude he’s not thinking he’s just thinking about like how the
Shot comes out totally not any technique stuff yeah and that’s why Jordan start you know on those inside five Footers he’s like man he looks at the hole it’s like point and shoot that’s why I think he’s so un like link stuff I know he
Goes back to it every once in a while but when his full swing gets like that that’s when he’s like at his back which I think like Link Golf brings that out when you get wind and St all of a sudden like dude how how do I just get the ball
Where I wanted to go and stop thinking about technique yeah stop all the rehearsals and that’s when he’s like incredible to watch in my opinion all right here’s one for you okay best player in the world right now Scotty Sheffer gives you a call CU look obviously struggling with my putting I
Mean his ball striking is so far ahead of everybody else it’s ridiculous he putts even just a little below average for to the field each week he he’s he’s winning the golf tournament what do you say to Scotty shefford I I wouldn’t do anything pting stroke wise yeah I would
I would go I would find a like where he was most comfortable in set up like junior golf like I would look at that kind of stuff and then I would say let’s build let’s build a routine that you can trust and that gets you in a flow State
And that you don’t even have to you’re not even thinking about your stroke cuz I guarantee you he’s thinking about his stroke he’s thinking about he’s watching it on the way back like oh this is too far outside I’ve been working on inside and then all a sudden he’s missed the
Putt so I would I would just go straight to like comfortable setup like something that he did as a junior golfer cuz I’m sure he made putts as a junior golfer yeah he won 92 times yeah lost a couple though yeah and then I would go and then
I would just go to I’d build a routine that’s like just straight out of like look we’re going to we’re going to get you to the the the spot where you can point and shoot and think the least activate the right side of your brain
Turn off the left side of your brain cuz right now he’s he’s got so much left side of the brain that’s that’s engaged that he can’t he can’t make a fluid flowing stroke it’s funny you say that cuz I’ve known the kid since he was 6
Years old and like the golf swing for the most part looks pretty similar like his setup I mean the left shoulder is a little higher than the right and that’s how he used to putt when he was 10 years old and I mean he would wear our ass out
In putting contest when he was 10 years old and just I mean one look at the hole bam bang it right in the back it was it was impressive to see and it’s just it’s so crazy to watch him now because he’s obviously got great hands when you watch
Him swing the golf club like he saves the golf club so much he falls all over the place and hits better iron shots than anybody on the planet and His short game’s pretty great too oh his short game great short game is incredible ball striking just looks like natural that’s
Not something you would teach like a teacher’s like do this with your feet get the club this vertical and all this type of stuff but like it’s natural and he does it I think so many people and this isn’t about Scotty’s putting but like just in general golfers more people
Are ruined with like over technique over teaching I mean [ __ ] you went through it a little bit after your win and Reno right like changed up your stuff and it’s like you can you can paralyze the guy way more quicker it’s like dude this guy got here because he knows how to
Golf like don’t strip away what what got him here and I think there’s a lot of teachers out there that do that probably inadvertently obviously but but still do it their brain just gets clogged yeah I mean you know Faxon tells a great story when he first started working with Rory
The first thing they did was he he gave Rory a fivewood said I want you to hit a couple 15 Footers with this thing and and he said Rory made it he said it was blowing like 30 and the greens were 13 at the Bears Club and Rory made three in
A row from 15 feet with a fivewood he was like now if I gave you your putter wouldn’t you be starting to think about all these different things he like yeah you would would but with a fivewood you’re just sort of like how do I get it
In I’m just going to figure out a way to get in the hole and not look like a fool right and just like figure it out and so I just think I think sometimes you just get you you get paralyzed you start thinking too much about stroke am I
Optimizing everything with like how the ball’s rolling and all stuff it’s like it doesn’t matter you need something that you can trust and something that you can do like you know Scotty seems like a right brain kind of a guy like an athlete you got to I got to get him back
To being it if I was if I was helping him with his putting I would want to get him back to being an athlete with his putting stroke it’s you said that about the five with like Randy Smith who works with Scotty who I grew up working with I
Mean we would go out and grab a 54 degree or 60 and practice a lot of putting with that CU you don’t really think about your stroke you’re just how do I hit this ball solid because you got to hit it right in the equator to get it
To roll properly and all other thoughts go out go out the window it’s just like okay I got to make solid contact that little extra Focus right of like oh I got if I don’t hit it on the equator I’m hitting it below it’s going three feet
Yeah or if I hit it too much it’s jump yeah so like and your only focus is that you’re not thinking about like oh I got to make sure this thing’s two de on the inside and you’re not thinking anything trying to draw a putt or anything like
That yeah yeah it’s like Scotty’s kind of like his golf looks athletic and his putting looks like kind of like a little more rigid I would say than it used to and I would say the same thing with like Jordan Jordan short game looks like the most natural thing of he’s like just
Give me the club I’ll make this work and then when he gets like full all the rehearsals and stuff it’s like his brain gets CL the guys that line up with that but that’s of course it’s like you know stuff easy to them right like for you
And I like hitting it like Scotty like not even in the realm of possibility so we work on that stuff for him it’s just like that’s easy it’s the same way with putting with guys yeah and it’s like you wherever you’re deficient you’re trying to like improve right so he’s he’s
Deficient and putting and so he’s just like how do I improve this I got to work on my technique it’s like okay you work on the technique to some point once you hit that spot then it’s like all right need to turn that off need to get back
To being an athlete my technique is already better but it’s hard to then turn turn that part of it off and I I went through it with full swing and everybody’s gone through right like it’s just to go back so hard to go back and
Be like let me turn all that off and let’s just get back to playing golf yeah it’s so I remember watching him at a tournament earlier this year him and Sam Burns one his best buddies just get on the putting green having a putting contest there’s no lining it up no
Looking at it from both sides it’s just oh look there’s right Edge boom strikes makes everything but it’s so hard to make yourself do that in a tournament when everything’s on the line it’s like oh I’m just going to get up here hit this one yeah yeah don’t care it does
Work for him because his brain gets turned off yeah totally interesting stuff I mean this thing I mean yours is huge so it’s very powerful think of all the [ __ ] I got going it’s amazing I can put the club on the ball dude with all this stuff you don’t even believe if
They had a transcript of what’s going on in my [ __ ] when I’m standing over the ball most of the time not about golf it’s it’s terrifying yeah honestly I’ll say you this one of the coolest I would say lessons SL experiences if you want
To call it that was when you and I went down and we spent a couple days with Zinger down in Florida like basically short game boot camp play golf and did all that stuff I learned so much about for me my problem was always Bermuda like dude I’m terrible I’m good out here
And then I go to Southeast and I can’t get up and down from anywhere but is is Zinger that guy you would say like your Mentor I like all teachers kind of have a guy that they take from and then build on is Zinger that guy for you yeah oh my
Gosh uh I was in yeah I mean I was kind of in a dark place with my golf game in general kind of around 2011 2012 and I was ready to just sort of quit the game and and Zinger I’ve known him since I was probably 16 years old
And uh like he would always come he would come to the Sony Open like a week early and so the pro that I was that that taught me the game Greg Nichols he was close with Paul and so he’s like hey come play nine holes with Paul the week
Before and so we I just every couple years we’d sort of play nine holes together so I I just kind of got to know him a bit and then um I make it on tour and he was sort of he was Ridder Cup captain I think that it was like an ‘ 08
He was Ridder Cup captain captain and I I made it on tour in ‘ 07 was my first year and then 08 I went back to Q school and I got my card again and and I was on this city city program and Zinger was like our Mentor right and he was the
Captain and he was mentoring all of us sort of rookies and um and so we got to spend a bit more time then and then I lost my card in like 11 and so I was in a deep dark place and and I told this guy Greg Nicholls from Hawaii I said
Look I think I’m ready to give up the game I I’m hitting it 90 right right and 50 left it’s this is not conducive for playing good golf and and trying to play professionally and so uh he said let me he said Zinger in town come have lunch
And and Zinger was in Hawaii for an outing and we went and had lunch and I was like three-hour lunch and I’m in tears and I’m like I’m going to give up on playing this game and singer’s like come back to come back to Florida spend
A week with me I think I can like declutter all the cobwebs that are going on in your brain so I went back there it was great and and um it it wasn’t perfect after that but I kept going back and so every probably four or 5 months
I’d go back and I’d spend a week in Florida and um and stay at Zinger house and we we would drive out to the golf course he at the time when I first showed up he didn’t own a car right he had 12 motorcycles in his garage but did
Not own a car so he’s like hey we’re going out to the golf course so I would I’d get he said you’re driving and I was like what do you mean I got a shitty rental car he’s like no no you’re driving I just got I got these 12
Motorcycles you can hop on the back with me I was like so I’m so I’m driving he’s got a set at Gator Creek and a set um of golf clubs at concession and he we get out we drive out there and we just talk right like we’re just we’re like it was
Sort of like you know like I would imagine like those Tuesdays with myy right like that book right this was sort of like these drives it was like a 45 minute drive out to the golf course she didn’t live close to a golf course and and we would just talk about Ridder cup
Mental like you know all the sports psychology breathing all these different things um we talked about his can like all this stuff where he was like man I had 12 top threes leading in in in a 12 month span leading up to when he had cancer in his shoulder and he’s like
Dude I was one of the best players on the planet but nobody really knows because then I had cancer and then I was like a totally different person like the guy is you know he he became like an unbelievable mentor and friend and like took me under his wing for like s years
I did this I went back to his house to try to get out of the dark place that I was in and and he really really helped me out of this play like it was like Golf and life he really helped me out um but I learned a lot about the short game
Tons about the short game my short game was great like I was always a great short game player but I learned even more watching him asking questions um this guy had like one of the most incredible minds and figured it out dug it out of the dirt and sort of he would
Never it was like he checked things off the list of like all right I’m going to try to go like super steep here with this club face and this handle and and then it’ll be like that didn’t work let me check that off the list okay let me
Go to the next iteration of it and he just like he went through all these things and like the guy’s one of the smartest golf IQs that I’ve ever been around um and I actually asked I I asked Phil Mickelson I said hey I’ve been
Hanging out with with uh I think it was at like a dinner at Whisper rock actually was up there and we were talking and I was like I’ve been hanging out with Zinger I was like you know what do you think about him he’s like top
Three golf IQs of all time I was like that’s a big compliment from Phil right um he he’s obviously one well I thought he was one two and three but no I just think like he you know he was an unbelievable mentor to me
But I learned a ton of a ton of the stuff that that I preach now came from Paul ainger like he one of the smartest guys that I’ve ever been around that’s what’s so cool about the game of golf and I think it’s changed some now because all the tour players have their
Entourage and everything around them but back in the day even like when I first started getting going you’re rookie you’re on tour like guys would help other guys out yeah like hey take a look at my swing for a second do you see anything and that’s what’s so cool about
The game of golf that a guy will take you under his wing like that and help him out but all these feels and stuff you talk about you’re talking about being an athlete routine and all this I never hear you once say anything and technolog is a great thing but I never
Hear once say anything trackman you know foresight getting your attack angle this your spin this do you think technology is kind of hurt some of these guys especially the young kids because I feel like every single shot they hit it’s whack and then look at the computer yeah
Well I mean you know fax and I had an interesting conversation maybe a month or two ago about this and his question was basically has all this information the the the dissecting of everything where is your weight going this and that and all this stuff like how you’re attacking
The golf ball what the club fa is doing has this actually has this helped players or has it hurt them um there’s there’s an argument to be made for both I mean no doubt about it there there’s some huge advances in technology that has really helped us learn maybe what’s
Optimal but at the same time I I’ll bring up Keith Mitchell who um who’s who’s talked about it on on the golfers Journal podcast where he said look trackman basically says that Keith Mitchell with a drive is not optimized now you look at his stats and you’re like dude you’ve been
Top 10 on the planet in driving a golf ball for 10 years straight but you’re not optimized so now if he were to go chase optimized with a driver and that would say you need to hit more up on it you need to hit it high a high draw with
Less spin he he may not be a top 10 driver of the golf ball on the planet anymore he may like lose it because that’s not sort of his pattern that’s a good point he might pick up six yards but he may pick up maybe he picks up 15 yard maybe picks up
20 yard but he’s already top 10 on the on the planet in driving a golf ball if he went from like hitting a cut to hitting a high draw to try to chase Rory he may get up to Rory but he may also bring in more of this by trying to chase
Optimized yeah don’t do that Keith tell me if you agree with this because like the track manff there’s a 100 there’s definitely a good side to it right guys hit their their clubs I need the spin to be this I need my launch to be and they chase that Perfection that optimization
That you’re talking about what I think compared to like the old days prior to all this is like guys want to be perfect with everything right so they chase that but then when they get under the gun it’s like sometimes you just got to get the [ __ ] thing in play and you don’t
See guys like take a Le trino look at some of the drives he used to hit like when he was down the stetch youed talk about I just he it low and hit as low as I could it would go it would go less offline if I hit it bad like you just
Don’t see guys I feel like hitting like that this is my go-to shot I don’t care what the numbers are this thing’s going to be forward in play and I’m going to be golfing from there I feel like every it’s kind of like they’re just programmed to like hit the perfect you
Know trajectory the perfect Apex with the perfect spin over and over and over and I feel like there’s like less feel or ownership or whatever you want whatever word you want to yeah I mean I think like a a guy like minu Lee is kind of a throwback right he’s like yeah he
Brings in he brings a bit of like new school with also the old school of like boy he hits some like low Stingers he hits some like low cuts to make sure he gets it in the Fairway but you can do that when you when you’ve got like 126
Club head speed and you can back off of it to 120 and right hit Fairway finder um but it at the end of the day it always comes about like comes back to finding out what works under the gun under pressure like are you going to hit
Something that’s like okay I’m going to send it this way when you know like boy the Miss might be a little bit bigger and when if you bring that down to chipping it’s like well are you going to go for like the super high spinner here
With like wide openen Club face and get get super steep on it just to hit a super spinner or you going to go with a shot that you can predict right and and that’s sort of like that’s sort of like this whole the whole argument that that
Goes on on social media on like Steep and low Spinners and versus those Twitter streets are mean on that the angle of attack yeah it got it got it got heated for a while there on on instam protect your neck and Twitter who do you think’s yelled at you more in
The last year your wife or Joe Mayo Joe and had like Joe and I have been friends for a long time like I actually went to see him for my golf swing back in like 2011 or whatever 2012 to just see if he could help me um but
It’s a uh you know we’ve been friends for a long time I’ve stayed at his house we’ve had we’ve had whiskies together and whatnot um and we’ve had long conversations about this exact subject and it sort of captured the golf world’s attention for um for the last six months
Right like Victor hin played really well and it was a great pattern for him uh but when you look at a lot of the stuff that that um that the tour players do the Jason days the Steve stckers these guys that Matt cooers right these guys are consistently in the top 10 in
Strokes gting around the green and they’re always finding a way to get their proximity really close to the hole they’re not 15 degrees down with their with their strike right they’re in the 3 to8 degrees down with their strike they’re hitting actually the grass before the golf ball believe it or not
On some of these shots and so and these guy and you go back and you look at their stats and I and I went back and I looked at all their stats and it’s like it’s mind-blowing how good Stricker was and how good Jason day was and how good
Matt coocher is um and then you look at someone like like if if I were to bring up Phil Mickelson’s name right you think like great short game right you go back and look at his stats and it actually says that he’s mediocre at short game well I would argue that’s because he’s
So aggressive Tak on some crazy shot [ __ ] them up but like yeah and it’s and it’s hard to like The Strokes gain around green is is a hard one it’s not a perfect stat but Phil when you go back and look at the last 15 years he’s
Closer to like between 38th and 70th where Stricker’s like inside of the top 15 every year I think the reason people think Phil’s is so great which his short game is incredible it’s because he hits the miracle shot like the straightforward one doesn’t get shown on
TV every every time but that’s one you have to get up and down totally and so yeah I think that the this whole debate has been great for like the game of golf in general it’s been great for people to have different opinions on all this
Stuff I try to look at it as like look it if if I’m choking my guts out and I’ve got one shot to hit I’m going to go with a shot that I I’ve got this much margin of error for not not one that I’ve got this much margin of error for
So I I I choose I choose the one that’s a bit more on the shallow side because I think it does Engage The balce it allows you to have a m hit and still have a tap in versus if you are 15 down and you’re
Trying to hit a super low spinner if you m hit that you’re probably chipping it again so the answer to that question was Joe Mayo’s yelled at you more than your wife over the last year well you know Joe and I Joe and I have a great
Relationship but um but no we we we’ve had like like healthy dodging the [ __ ] out of this you should run for President we had health be the chef it was it was really cool like we went to the PGA show and we sat next to each other on this open
Panel which was like a debate on short game and it was awesome because it was like in like the coveted like 7:30 time slot and it was standing room only and we had a great healthy debate on short game and and he talked about angle of attack and like how mathematically it
Was correct and I’m like yes but I also think that you look at Matt coocher and he’s hitting five degrees down he’s spinning it and he’s hitting it low and he’s got tons of spin on it like there’s something missing there where I don’t think maybe trackman is measuring the numbers quite
Properly um but I also I also think that if if if you’re choking your guts out and you are afraid of bad Turf interaction you want to go with something a little more shallow that’s why golf’s great though like you you can try to make it a science but there’s
Still an art element to it I don’t care who you are and it’s like there’s not one way this is the way you play golf look at all the swings over the history they’re all different and and in a in certain situations I think it’s a great
Shot to have but I don’t think that that’s the I don’t think that you start there I think that you start a little bit more neutral um and then you work your way to learning how to hit that shot and you work your way to learning how to hit a
High spinner there like short games there there’s so many varieties to it I just think that where I am I think it’s like the the the stuff that I’ve learned from some of the greats it’s like yeah you want you want a little margin of
Error like you go to Vegas it’s like you don’t want to be like I’m going to bet on myself hitting 21 every single time it’s like no I wouldn’t mind winning with the dealer busts right so if the dealer bust in in short game it’s like
I’m going to I’m going to hit the ground an inch behind it two inches behind it the bounce is going to kick that club up if I’m doing it properly and I’m still going to hit this thing to like 3 four feet that’s when the dealer busts you’re
Like I M hit that I kind of use your error but I still I still W right that’s how I would sort of equate it I I just think you want to Stack your odds in your in in your favor the game of golf is is too
That hard as it hard man I want to make it easier for everybody that’s F Pay-Per-View fight coming up soon stand by on that exclusive here make sure you go check him out on Instagram short game Chef get some cool videos let’s get to the E9 we could talk about short game
All day because we all have our issues yeah um en9 you’re happily married man I think we should we should ask this one I mean yeah this isn’t going to this isn’t going to ruffle any feathers we have enough to compliment to celebrity crush whether now or growing up
Oh celebrity crush boy I did not expect that one um yeah usually usually guys lead with uh like the actor you want be I had mine you know like all right give us your actor too if you got one well I mean Matthew MCC like I’ve definitely
Been like 100 put 100 in the jar Mak me look exactly no one ever picked like an ugly actor for them to be like no but I get MCC and I’ve gotten Adam Scott and i’ I swear to you I’ve signed some autographs as Adam Scott
When I was on tour fulltime when we were playing in the same event and people would Adam you know Mark we’re going to need another jar this thing going over Adam Scott right yeah there you go kid good on you this when we had like kind
Of the same like hair in the back similar face structure yeah both skinny yeah all right so Crush though celebrity crush um I don’t know I I’m I’m a I’m a JLo fan I like hi Berry I’m kind of a little more old school you know perfectly fine [ __ ] great stealing J stealing’s
Girls over got nobody left now thank you no wonder we get exactly that’s good taste all right I’ll take both of those as um as acceptable answers all right as a chef yourself you could speak on this is it true that you got cooked by Barack Obama pickup basketball game in Hawaii
Heard he just diced you up um yeah he and did you let him he’s actually yeah so he so we played it was 200000 the it was 2008 he had not been inaugurated yet but he had gotten voted in as president end of yeah end of 2007
I believe right he get got voted in um or maybe it was yeah maybe it was end of 08 so anyway he had gotten voted in but he hadn’t been inaugurated yet and so he he was playing basketball my dad was his coach and so my brother and I got
Invited to go play a pickup game with sort of his old teammates um and as I subbed in I happened to sub in for the guy that was guarding him and so I was like do I like go hard yeah right but there’s also Secret Service yeah the sniper will
Shoot you face 100% um what a way to go it would have been it would have been awesome but I played I played him hard on defense um I did not I did not score on him per se I had a layup but he wasn’t guarding me at the time but I I
Did not score on him but I I played him pretty hard on defense I I would say that I probably gave up two baskets which I may I may or may not have been going 85% if you foul you hard foul president I mean justl there you go
Right there I was not going to foul watch your president don’t forget to use he was so cool like really can he play he can play you got buckets on you of course you play once I started to notice he wanted to go left pretty hard I started shifting him over right muscle
Him up a little bit send them right yeah all right next one Phoenix open this year you’re out there getting your guys ready to go d in the short game all of a sudden 150 dudes in Chef hats come rolling out at any moment did you think
They were there to see you coach a little I would have I mean I yeah I would like the the the thing that’s been so weird about this whole like Chef thing right is that you know I played on the PGA tour for a handful of years I
Won on the PGA tour rarely got recognized anywhere right and I start this short game Chef thing and I will walk through an airport and people will say Chef I’m like you never recognized me when I was a PGA Tour player right so I get recognized more for being short
Game Chef than I than I had been for a PGA Tour player um yeah when I saw those guys I was like God this minwoo is just taking it to he’s taking it to another level uh no it’s pretty it’s pretty cool I think it’s I think it’s cool that he’s
Gone with I heard today how that all happened by the way so I guess Lulu Lemon put out this promotion they gave like 200 guys shirt and pants and they just had and the hat obviously and they just had to go out and cheer on menw that’s genius yeah just create a little
Hype reel yeah we should do some we should do some uh collab together get him in the kitchen I love that kid by the way my new favorite guy by I would sit there and just ask questions I love swing his all his shit’s his little stash filthy his whole his whole setup
His whole vibe primo and you look at him and you’re like you just look at him he’s going to be in two years we’ll look back and back remember when we didn’t but you look at him without without opening his mouth and you’re like oh
Okay I got it and then all a sudden he opens his mouth he sounds like exactly like Jason day like same tone same same accent you’re like was not expecting that and that move is sick sidebar question doesn’t count as a real question what else was in the running as
As opposed to Chef did you ever consider any other you to be like the yeah I mean as I was creating this whole thing it was like short game Wizard short game Guru short game genius short game what like all those sort of things sort of popped into your head but you’re like
Well those are all like very self- serving this one was more like no I’m a chef I’m going to give you guys all the recipes as to how to get it done around the greens got it it’s always been about the people yeah put the Hat put the cook
Hat on too you know what I mean lean into that [ __ ] Salt Bay maybe a little bit uh you should I mean you should bring up Yeah the more gimmicky [ __ ] you do the more people just gravitate to you should bring up the text thread that you
Me and Keith have on the different IDE Keith we’ve solved the world’s problems dude we have every idea ever figured out it’s only an hour show guys you ever want to go massive oh I forgot to ask you the question Kei submitted I’ll ask you later all right this was a good this
One better for yourself confidence winning on the PJ tour as you did or having your wife voted as hottest wife on the PJ tour which you also did um that’s good that’s a good one yeah no I I would I would say the second one is better yeah she’s yeah she’s a 10
Still is a 10 that’s like the Grand Slam yeah of cool [ __ ] no yeah I mean yeah she beat out elen she beat out Amy mikkelson like like that that was when like back in the day right like that was those are people that you’re trying to
Say those were the people she was competing when there was chicks not all these dogs no yeah yeah number one in the official World Wife rankings that’s nice yeah in my book she still is she’s a 10 I love her I got paired with him a lot
Early on right when I was getting sponsored actually in the first ever Tour event I played Byron Nelson so my mom and his wife walked together all the time I was like God you get a tour car you get that pretty good game [ __ ] sign
Me up Hoy she got a sister too yeah all right next question we better get move on tough break Natalie um you don’t want me to tell that story no have you ever been given a have you ever been given a shout out by the great Bill Walton oh my
Gosh this was a great story so uh the legendary Jim Decker and I go to Las Vegas and we go in we’re going for the the Pack 12 tournament and it’s at the MGM and Jim Decker is a legendary Gambler and so we’ve got all the VIP
Things that you can imagine Jim Decker may may or may not have won a handful of money at at the blackjack table I had to pull him away to go to dinner I was like look you’re up a lot let’s go to dinner so he’s like we go to dinner he’s like
Thank you for pulling me away so then we go to the game they got like three games in a row and so we go we’re going to go catch the last two games we go down and we’re sitting Courtside feet on the floor and Bill Walton is literally from
Me to stults from away from decker right and Decker’s like yo he’s like I know know Bill Walton like I was like I know you know Bill Walton but Bill Walton does not know you yeah big difference he’s like no no no actually Bill Walton
Knows me I like he does not know you so sure enough Decker says you know there’s breaks and Bill Walton’s taking his headset off and he’s standing up and he says Decker says hey Bill Jim Decker I was at the Michael Jordan uh Fantasy Camp 12 years ago do you remember me do
You remember me I had the sick crossover yeah and he’s like it was up it was up in C you know and and he’s like oh he’s like Decker he’s like Lefty yeah yeah you had a great bank shot and I don’t know if Bill Walton really remembered
This or not but it was like Decker it made Decker’s life right and he’s and so anyway Bill Decker says look here’s Parker he played at UCLA and Bill’s like oh great to meet you you know play on the PGA tour it’s great UCLA Bru so anyway they come back from commercial
The cameraman sitting Courtside and he Walton tells the producer like hey we want to start talking about these two guys that are sitting Courtside nothing’s going on with Washington versus Washington State so the cameraman turns to us and he’s like yo Bill’s talking about you guys so turns out that
Bill says look I I got to get the camera on these two guys this Jim Decker he’s the greatest thing since Steve Nash he never made it but he had the great little left-hand floater off the glass and he starts telling and and he says like Decker is like it’s life is made
Right he’s watching Bill Walton from me to you talk about how great he is in this Jordan basketball camp he’s like the Lefty floater was to die for and he should have made it you know next greatest thing since Steve Nash then he goes over to me and he’s like oh Parker
McLaughlin he’s UCLA he’s one of the great golfers out of UCL meanwhile I’m like 19th on the list of greatest golfers ever out of UCLA but you know how Bill Walton does it but it was one of those highlights where you’re like if ever somebody could talk about you it
Would be would want it to be Bill wal cuz he takes it to the next level and it’s one of those moments where deer and I just we always laugh about it it’s one of the great I heard there was a little more to that story where there could
Have possibly been an incident with a USC player Jack was getting in that guy’s head big time oh he almost yeah I mean he almost got thrown out this guy almost came over and punched deer like and then y ran into him at the casino but he didn’t
Recognize Decker’s like hide me that’s awesome hard to believe some legendary story oh my God Jim that was in like the prime by the way yes he’s T it down since then all right my next one let’s see all right just give me you used to live with Ricky Barnes one of your
Closest friends in the world give me the worst traits of Rick as a roommate oh break down Rick as a as a living partner wow it’s been it’s been a minute I think he’d be pretty damn good I tell you what Ricky makes a sneaky good breakfast
Right like he cooks the eggs scrambled eggs perfectly low and slow like he’s one of the Legends at cooking breakfast he he’s always making bacon right you look at you look at his physique and you’re like dude he everything like he’s perfect like his eating yeah and so he
Um he’s a great breakfast maker he’s always up early even after a big night out dude’s first went up making breakfast yeah um I don’t know he’s seen I’ve seen him go for real he goes for real he can send it and he always has everything like hey dude I
Need does anyone have a bandaid a paperclip and a ball of yarn like yeah what’s what size Band-Aids do you want like he travels with everything it’s like MacGyver we call him 7-Eleven cuz on the golf course right dude I’m hungry oh what do you want I got a bar I’ve got
I’ve got a I have old fet that I just uh got jerky he always has jerky on him oh jerky yeah yeah yeah no he has he has he’s got uh 19 different snacks in his golf bike we used to call him snacks cuz
He’d have 19 snacks in his bag so um I don’t know if there’s a I don’t think he had like a bad tra I think he’s price solid yeah he was always and the rent was the rent was the right price um so yeah he was a great he’s a great room
Yeah he nobody has more [ __ ] with them at all times than Ricky BS if you get bored on the golf course Nita sidoku he’s got cross he does crosswords like between shots I’m like what are you doing we’re Partners in New Orleans we’re walking down the Fairway in the
Tournament he’s doing a crosswords soku I’m like are you kidding me it’s a fact like a hundred-year old man yeah yeah no it’s great all right next one what’s a better hangover cure liquid IV or Dr Dre’s famous song The Next Episode another good story um yeah so I
Was down visiting Ricky Barnes at at U OFA and I was at UC at UCLA and we had had a night the night before um and it was a unbelievable night and and we just went Full Tilt uh we get up the next morning we’re supposed to go to the
Football game together and I am just like I’d puked like how many times and I was just like I I I can’t do it man I can’t do it he like here’s some Gatorade you know just you you’ll be all right you’ll be fine and I was like Gatorade
Wasn’t working it was coming back up so anyway he just says he says look man he’s like the game’s about 30 minutes from now like we got good seats we got to go and he throws on some Dr Dre he cracks open a CO’s light and it was like
Let’s go I’m back I’m back and we sent it said it was like that WWE guy whatever just popped like he’s dead and then he just as soon as like next up he’s like dude he just popped up like someone had just given him a shot Weekend at Bernie’s Dead music comes on
Bam you know what I here I was dead out on the couch and Ricky got up at six as he does goes out goes to 7-Eleven gets a bunch of snacks and stuff he’s like hey get in my bed so I got in his bed and I
Was like I’m going to be out for the day sure enough he puts on some Dre and we were like let’s go I was up to go he’s a good little like caretaker you know what I mean yeah yeah he know yeah he knew just he knew exactly the recipe for the
Chef to get you back up all right last one for me is it true you tried to come back to UCLA for a fifth year when you found out that the golf team would be posing nude for Golf Digest I heard you tried to slide back in that would have
Actually been my sixth year yes and I would you could be a doctor I would have yeah the the picture with the golf balls right here yeah I feel like that’s you dude really yeah I was really disappointed that I was not part of that
Because I was like yeah I I felt like I raised those guys right I was like the only senior there was no Juniors on the team I was the only senior and there was a bunch of sophomores and freshman and so I was like man I like I raised these
Guys we’re in the gym we’re all getting yolked together sure enough the next year they’re on the cover of whatever I’m like God I missed that forg think that yeah remember that I think with that could have who was it it was like Merrick joh Johnson TJ was in that thing
I can’t remember like the young kids or whatever but I was like that thing came out and it was like what I like UCLA is wild dude they got the range balls over their nuts I mean the different fans they would have popped off the difference
From when I went to college of like what golf was looked at when I went to college was like n 97 right and so tiger just kind of come on the scene golf was still kind of like nerd you’re a nerd if you play golf then all a sudden tiger
Wins and it’s like whoa golf’s kind of cool and then by the time I leave five years later and these guys are on the cover of whatever Golf Digest looking like naked with golf balls in front of them it was like wow like look at where
Golf has come like these guys are real athletes so it’s like it made a huge shift from year one to year five yeah after 97 for sure yeah all right next one there’s going to be some math involved here so put that UCLA brain to work right here what’s a larger number
Okay the margin of victory for you at Reno Tahoe or the number of penalty Strokes you took on the seventh hole at Quail Hollow uh I’m going to go penalty Strokes yeah so that’s a good story car the one so the the seventh old at Quail Hollow uh dog leg left par five
And I was working on like I was always a little low kind of Healy cutter this whole never set up well for me but I was working on something in my swing to try to hit this like high draw and I was just determined right it was like mid
Part of the year and I was like I’ve been working on this for like five six months like this should be ready to go and I and I hit this thing and it just go over to the right and there’s water there now it’s it’s a water hazard but
Then beyond the water hazard is out of bounds it’s it’s a guy rather nice houses really nice houses yeah like I’d love to be friends with those people and so anyway so I I hit this shot and it looks like it goes in the water so I’m
Walking up there I think I was paired with um Martin lard and Stewart Applebee so I I walk up there and we get all the way up to to the water I was like is this all right to drop and and I can’t remember which one said it but
They were like actually I think it went over the water and it’s in their house it’s out of bounds and I was like could have told me this on the te before I walked 300 yard yeah so now they’re like you’re going to have to go back the call the rules official he’s
Like yeah I mean if they think it went over there it’s you got to go back so ma caddy Don donatell Legend of a cad he he grabs my driver and three golf balls and leaves the bag there and we ride back so much confidence in his man he’s bringing a
Sleep just in case just in case this is great we ride back to the tea boox and already in the T box was Davis Love and ryuji Ma now granted Davis Love was probably like one of the guys I idolized growing up and I remember the
First time I played with Davis and he hit this three iron off a t that went like like a like my n iron on like 235 240 hole and I was like I can’t pull the trigger like I I don’t like I had to hit
After him I was like I can’t so anyway I already had this thing on Davis Love I was like I can’t even so now I’m hitting three off the te with Davis watching me hit the exact same shot into this guy’s backyard I was like give me another ball
Te it up again hit the exact same shot give me another ball dawn again like 10 cup he’s like look this is the last ball I have the other balls are in the bag you better hit this in play oh my God so
Anyway so I I hit this one in play I get up I end up I end up making a 13 on the hole right 13 eight overp par on this hole not it’s not a difficult part five it’s one of the easier part fives I mean there’s trouble but yeah there’s trouble
They eat it alive yeah guys eat it alive and so I make a 13 on this hole this the guy carrying our sign felt so bad for me right he just removed both of the numbers off of yeah the standar yeah just blank so people were like I could
Hear him as I was walking on the like I wonder what he is for the day like he’s not even it’s not even on there anyhow I shoot like I must have shot like 88 that day it was a it was a bad day it was probably one of the lowest like lowest
Days of golf that I had ever had and I love that tournament I love that golf course I’d like played well there previously but I was going through this whole swing thing and it was like I could not find like which way the golf ball was going um so yeah little 13 on
On number seven there it’s beautiful so it sounds like yeah yeah eight over on that hole but six pen shot I won by seven won by a touchdown yeah that is incredible I love that he took a sleeve of balls back to the tea that’s my favorite part of the story but Parker
Man congrats on everything this was H this was awesome to sit down with you um keep up the great work yeah thanks man yeah we’re uh we’re doing you know I feel like we’re doing good stuff for the for the people like I I launched this website short game chef.com and we’re
Just we’re trying to get people like just to understand how fun the short game can be and that’s always been my whole motto and so it’s been a fun sort of transition from playing to now teaching and and I get a kick out of seeing people get better you need some
Help this is the man right here come see the chef appreciate you my man thanks boys got it all right that was the short game Chef Parker mlin joining us can’t believe I disappointed he was when all those people showed up at Phoenix Open and the chef hats thought they were for
Him like oh my this shit’s taking off I knew it was I knew Instagram was was powerful but uh dude he’s made a nice move from like playing you know one on the PJ tour kind of hovering around getting x amount of starts per year and
Then boom like taking off with the short game stuff he’s got tons of people around and he’s got the way he teached it is great that’s why I really like getting into the stuff with azinger because he actually took me down to spend a few days with Zinger to this day
Is like that’s probably the most valuable few days of golf instruction that I’ve ever had and he’s taking that and running with it and add his adding his own stuff to it yeah look I know a lot of our listeners suck at chipping probably got The Yips Parker can help
You out so definitely go look him up um book a lesson with him and and he’ll help you let’s go back real quick to the players because one thing we forgot to touch on a full field event with a cut I mean we’ve been very adamant about this
We don’t like the limited field no cut events they I feel like they kind of run stale there’s not that much excitement until possibly the weekend if we do get a really bunch leader board but this week 144 guys a cut we saw a guy jump
Off to a five shot lead and then some of the best players in the world I think we had number three six and nine or 10 yeah it wasn’t like a lot of Cinderella stories on this leaderboard and this is what we want but you have to have a
Large field with a cut so you can get that leaderboard bunched I mean there was we couldn’t ask for anything more other than possibly if we had three or four play yeah if four if all four of those dudes could had a three hole play like that would have been the dream
Scenario but we were damn close to it and it’s by far in a way the most entertaining best event on the PJ tour this year and maybe in a long time actually but this is my whole deal with these Signature Events like they’re great because all the best players have
To play but just give us a 100 give us 120 cut it to 60 I don’t care just get it in there where we have a full field where Thursday Friday matter and they have to earn their way to Saturday and Sunday and I promise you there is going
To be a much more bunched leaderboard and a lot more drama coming down the stretch on Sunday yeah it just kind of goes like contrary to what they preach were like this is our Flagship event this is the biggest event on the PJ tour that the PJ tour runs period Bar None
It’s the players and they’re like oh yeah for that we’re going to have 144 guys and we’re going to cut but then it’s like here’s our other signature event we’re going to have half of that and no cut or maybe 10 dudes are going
To get Cut Max like it I was like why would why would you stick with the blueprint for what’s your Marquee event you know throughout the year why do you got to switch it and I’m with you dude I think 120 is kind of a nice number that
Cut chop it in half boom 60 people bam you got a nice and it’s still going to be hard to do but there’s so many guys outside the top 70 that potentially change their careers and are good enough to go and contend or win these things
That just don’t get a shot to play in most of them look 120 you have no problem finishing with daylight you can tee off nine one and 10 like you always do I just think it’s a no-brainer and also like I said it gives maybe not Thursday but it gives Friday some juice
If you sit there and you see Roy maroy has got a birdie one of his last four to like be around for the weekend like I think it interests the viewer at home yeah and there was some big names that didn’t play the weekend this week but is
It a better tournament if they’re going off super early on Saturday you know way ahead of the four hours before like does that change anything like they don’t show one shot on TV they don’t see one shot on TV maybe if you’re on property
Like oh I get a chance to see this guy hit a couple of shots but like it doesn’t in my opinion make the golf tournament any better like it comes down to the guys at the top and the more guys you get in the field the better chance I
Think you have of having a finish like we had this past week 100% And also if you noticed it wasn’t a shotgun start it was not if there was a shotgun start that [ __ ] times through I saw you lob that tweet out on Twitter I was like
Here we go CH the waters there they go swim up to the boat I knew that would stir some [ __ ] up all right let’s move on to the vpar championship one of the most underrated golf courses on the PGA tour inisbrook Copperhead it’s a hard some [ __ ] Taylor Moore is your
Defending Champion shot 10 under last year to win I love that it was I was there it was freaking so firm it was awesome to watch this is what we want hopefully no rain this week and I would expect the winning score to be very
Similar yeah I mean we got 20 at the Players I’d love to see that chopped in half this week yeah I mean they had zero win for the most part Thursday when I looked up at the th was like the only day I didn’t watch almost every shot and
I was like God this thing they’re killing and balls were spinning back in the afternoon yeah it just what it didn’t wasn’t bouncy all right get some wind get some heat that place will get very very difficult and I’m going to go with my favorite he’s going off at 12
To1 so it’s not really going out a limb I’m not taking Xander chafl who’s the massive favorite but this guy’s won here twice he’s coming off 12 Cuts in a row had a great Saturday at the Players struggled a little bit on Sunday but I
Know he loves this golf course I it just it’s so perfect for him give me Sam Burns Sam Burns yeah good pick this is a I think a good like horses for courses type of golf course you look at the guys that have won here it’s like straight
Drivers typically good iron players you know Kevin stman had big success here Taylor Moore fits that mold I’m going with the same type of a guy little further down than you but he’s 22 to1 coming off a monster week was one of those one of those four guys we talked
About just one shot short of that playoff at the Players but uh give me Brian Harmon kids rolling right now hits it straight great iron player putter always works it seems like so I’m going to ride the hot hand with be harm should be a I mean most golf courses are good
For Brian Haron but a firm fast in this Brook will be really good players too like that’s a great type of golf course my whole deal with that is like can he keep it going for week because it took so he shot an even par on Thursday and
Then got hot had a hot plate the rest of the week and almost ended up getting in there it was fun to watch bearm battle it out he is not scared love love watch and he hits it like normal human like it’s fun to watch Windham hit three iron
Pitching wedge on 18 but like you can’t really relate to that but when Harmon who’s not short by the way but it’s more like all right that’s regular human type stuff and yet he still finds a way to get it done 168 ball speed [ __ ] yeah not
Yeah compared to 191 all right my Dark Horse going off at 60 to one had top five Club throws in the history of golf last week yeah I think he got I think he got it out of the way he’s going to be ready to rock this week 60 to1 pass
Champion Adam hadwin yep love that horses for courses pass champ great setup for him an impeccable very un Adam hadwin like by the way the form was beautiful it was good just roll middle of the green rolling left rolling left soup Chuck that’s what that Golf Course
Does to you it was beautiful all right I’m going just slightly further down the board here this one cold if this one hits this one’s going to make me look smart as [ __ ] 65 to one okay coming off a very nice week 16th at the Players two
Wins on the PJ tour doesn’t get a lot of love a little bit under the radar but love his golf swing extremely simple and when he gets it going it’s good enough to win give me sep straa oh big Ax from Austria a good M by the way still
Exactly I still don’t believe he’s from Austria with that acccident I mean he sounds more Southern than Kevin kizner yeah when he’s on the Europe like just kind of throws a wrench in the whole thing when you got like Shane Lowry talking to se from the same yall on the same
Continent are you cool no but I love it great caddy Dewey on the bag pound-for-pound largest player caddy combo out there pound-for-pound the most pounds most are you going that’s where I’m going okay pound for pound but I like they have the most I like it all
Right big St all right well that’s going to do it everybody enjoy The Vow Spar championship and we’ll talk to you on next week’s Subpar
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Another excellent episode.
When Colt starts laughing before a story starts, you know it's gonna be great.
great questions
Difference between this pod and Foreplay now is that you guys talk golf and have golf guests. This is a golf podcast.
Foreplay used to be golf but now they cover so many topics that are non golf related. Lots of promoting barstool events and making jokes and inside jokes about things no one cares about.
I personally love the fore play boys and subscribe and will continue to watch their videos they put out. It’s great content when they show fixing Frankie and breaking 90 and side gig and now Riggs has this hater game which is awesome.
But from a podcast perspective it’s not apples to apples. This is a great pod and to me has way more credibility.
Drew is not additive to this podcast, he's just spelling out the stuff they're already saying but more longwinded
100% you can get rid of yips. Short game chef's "recipes" helped me get through it pretty quickly.
Imagine my surprise when Parker mentioned my home town, Midland, TX, not once but twice during his interview —out of all the 1000’s of cities he could have chosen!
Drew saying when you fix your chipping yips means your dog doesn't have broken ribs anymore.
Holy shit Drew!😳🤣
Listened in the car the other day. Just here to give a thumbs up and increase engagement. Excellent episode.
It’s even a hard topic to talk about. Kinda like the other dreaded shot in golf