FORMER NHL GM JAY FEASTER | MISSIN CURFEW EP 263

Missin Curfew Ep 263 with Former Lightning and Flames GM Jay Feaster
Recorded at HallPass Media | Presented by DraftKings

Chris Tanev Traded to the Dallas Stars
Get This Guy a Beer Bertuzzi, Bennett and Monty Kid
The Arizona Coyotes lose 13 Straight
The Lightning didn’t make any money in the 90’s
When Feaster became the GM of the Lightning
How often are GM’s looking to make trades?
Working with John Tortorella in Tampa Bay
Dave Andreychuk as the Lightning Captain
Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis
2004 Stanley Cup Final vs Calgary
Trading a 1st for Ruslan Fedotenko
Invited to the Flames by Darryl Sutter
The move from AGM to GM of the Flames
Trading Jarome Iginla away from the Calgary Flames

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What’s missing curfew it’s when you kind of play guilty but you show up how nice is a green light on the road though no practice tomorrow no plane just go Scotty Upshaw in the C and he scores scor you laughs a little bit of fun and obviously a lot of hockey talk you’re

Listening to missing curfew F Lads up dog my man fell of Friday what’s happening OBS hey Budd it was nice to teed up with you there yesterday huh yeah it was good I’ll tell you what that Newport Beach Country Club is ready we got the hul classic coming to town uh I

Got PA Pronto coming in for it actually nice the flying Frenchie the flying Frenchie he’s uh he’s coming out I wonder if he’s hot as he was there in Aspen when he came out for that hockey game God he was flying the last time he came to Newport Beach I remember I think

Mel was out was living out here at the time and I think I text all you boys I said there’s a there’s a there’s a crazy Frenchman on the loose in Corona delmare I mean he came out with the geks just hot so I told him this time I go listen

This was probably three years ago and he agrees I’m like we can’t come out of the gates like we did or we’re gonna just ruin our whole trip right like let’s just play some golf have some dinners and then maybe we go maybe we go big on

The Saturday night you know what I mean I wonder if he’s uh is he ready for all the cougs going to be walking down the fairways there at the hog or they’ll be chasing Freddy around oh yeah they love Freddy not Fred Funk either Freddy Couples boom boom huh he could play is

He GNA play he didn’t play last year because of a bad back I hope he’s all right I mean he’s all right uh great course the course is in great shape um Taylor Made the new the new driver I I got it with Casey uh you know more than

Anyone that the driver is not my best club in the bag for you fellas out there that are looking to uh treat yourself this upcoming golf season I loved it UPS I know maybe it’s the old honeymoon phase but I thought it was unbelievable

The qi1 I like the blue I I’ll be honest I didn’t love I didn’t love the stealth to but this one first time hitting it I love it so if the boys are out there want to treat themselves I mean I know you don’t have to worry about cuz you’re

Bomb and whatever [ __ ] driver you use it but I like that I had some Fairway yesterday yeah I know I I got the driver in the back shout out to Casey our boy um listen the driver is nice it’s sexy it’s black I I think if you ask anyone

Uh in the tailor made family probably players players alike they were pretty upset that they didn’t go from the stealth one into just something completely new like why back it up with stealth too it’s not a bad it’s it’s just not a fresh name it’s not a fresh

Look it’s the same [ __ ] club yeah it just wasn’t it didn’t give the spunk that it needed but this new one I mean you got to have the spunk yeah new spunk you got to have the spunk so no the way you were hitting your driver yesterday I

I loved it um you know we took on the boys at uh shout out to our boy Mike close silky silky uh we just took down the boys it was a nice uh way to spend they had us on the front nine and then uh RB Ryan I don’t want to butcher his

Last name I’m I butcher everyone’s name on this podcast so I won’t butcher his but he had a go on the front nine then we pressed him on the back and and we just got it going I text silky after the round I said hey thanks for having us

Course in great shape uh if those boys are asking what happened on the back nine you just tell them they got upshed cuz that’s exactly what happened hey just tickle them on the front Boom for our listeners out there you know I’ve been in Aspen two weeks [ __ ] Vegas

Before that the Scottdale before that it’s been a while since we played since we Richie babe there at Scottdale National and that was a blood bath that was a blood bath I got to give some love to Danny Lane former uh baseball player in the Montreal Expo was organization by

The way there’s a documentary coming out on Netflix about what happened to the Expo no [ __ ] yeah is there some crime bosses involved there maybe the French Mafia there’s got to be something involved there but I mean we were young that was what was the lock out 94 they

Had the strike but the Expos were the best team in baseball and then we all know what happened after that 30 for 30 or what actually Netflix maybe you’re I think your boy Silverman might have been producing it oh it’s an Untold I think it’s an Untold wow yeah that’ be juicy

Yeah I shout out to Betty [ __ ] he was flying this weekend at Kao was he oh yeah we got to get to uh we got to get to Montreal I think for that President’s Cup in September President’s Cup and maybe F1 is that when that that’s f1’s

In June man that’s where the flying Frenchman should take us out I’ve had some fumbles but I remember after my first or second year in Tampa Vinnie’s like hey Ops come into Montreal this is why see I was dating this girl at the time that just you know

Like the old like if you go on the trip you know you’re going to come back to just [ __ ] pure misery anyways he’s like OBS come in I got this place dialed let’s [ __ ] rock and roll and I never went yeah imagine going that one with v

La cavier back in the day uh anywhere with Vinnie La cavier back in the day that look that [ __ ] 6’6 [ __ ] just a monster good looking Rich stud stud um listen up dog uh Newport Beach is great looking forward to the hul well let’s talk a little live tour real quick here

Anthony Kim is back we in the girl dad t-shirt thought of you yeah I thought it was great tea unbelievable sauce hockey let’s go um it was great pat Perez who I think is an absolute Beauty who I actually saw perz during F1 in Vegas he

Was in the high limit Lounge at at the BL loo and I kind of wanted to go over right cuz I love Pap perz but I didn’t want to be that guy right he’s chilling there with his buddies in in the uh what’s it called PR in the pr yeah P so

I’m like I don’t want to go over and buger but he’s sitting there drinking gambling having a good time but he’s like hey thanks for dress he goes to Kim he’s like thanks for dressing up thanks for dress yeah a T-shirt and these like shitty shorts on with sick high tops

Just good to be back they got to be pumped for him to be back I think so it’s going to bring more eyes on it and you know whether he was in rehab for a back or knee or nose well who knows what the what the hell it’s nice that Kim’s

Back he did say I’ll he goes I will tell my story yeah I it’s not not this week I’m here mes but focus on go maybe you talk to Benny Silverman but get and Anthony Kim unto yeah I remember him down the stretch the the Masters I went

To in 2009 and it was just epic he showed up from the back nine just flying um and that was at probably his Peak and then there was a downfall but it’s nice to see a guy with a with a good story coming back and live tour is buzzing

Right now you know you’ve been enjoying watching live tour yeah I love it I know they’re playing uh Saudi Arabia this week and then I think they’re in Hong Kong next week or something or maybe the next week’s not Hong Kong because I think Steeler might be playing like an

Asian Tour event or something but Big E we’re going to play uh Shady next week with Biggie and Loops yeah I heard that I just got the text today I’m like shady e we should maybe get Loop how are the greens they a little little stiff there

Or we should maybe buy Loop some golf balls he hasn’t played in forever right he’s going to just go out there well it’s us first them then yeah he’s going to try to manufacture it around there I remember the Ridder cup you remember back in the day it was in Kentucky uh

Paul aser was a captain buo Weekley was on the team remember bu Weekley doing the doing the Happy Gilmore off the tea that’s the last thing I remember of Anthony Kim being on that team after that I don’t remember like do you remember why he left injuries or yeah no

It was injuries yeah injuries yeah and Rehab rehab yeah he was showing up to the course like hung tit he was just yeah I think he just wanted to you know fix himself step away from the game and he couldn’t get healthy you know there

Was a health thing but then I think it was you know when you battle when you battle injuries it’s tough man it’s tough the mental grind of it and the physical grind and I think forever he just I think he took his insurance money and just really wasn’t able to kind of

Find the groove again and it was longterm it’s crazy how many people like we see it now and we’ve talked about this being you off the air about how many guys are going into the nhlpa protocol now right for for help getting help mentally or with uh you know

Drinking too much or whatever is it just makes me think back to when we were playing like there was probably so many guys that were dealing with [ __ ] that we never even knew eh yeah but I I I think it’s like social media and [ __ ] I think

It’s guys not being able to get off their phones for the most part and then like dealing with you know the trolls on online or you know watching your girlfriend [ __ ] travel around to turkey with a bunch of Rich guys on a boat you know and then she jumps out of

A closet like a goddamn magic show I think a whole lot of things that probably go into you know into Factor here you know Christ so what happens when you take the early flight home from San Diego she jumps your Clos like a goddamn magic show what my friend’s

Trying to say here is Love is Blind true love is blind sorry I’m not a talker I was just saying like I got to a lot of guys were battling with yeah magic show but a lot of guys battling with with stuff now looking back when we played

Right it was the old school mentality of suck it up and well [ __ ] it yeah starting from the top down I mean from from the moment you got to the rink to the moment you left it was sandpaper skin you had to have it you know mental

You know toughness was part of being a pro hockey now now but I I think there’s so many factors to it all there could be something in the Gatorade bottles or [ __ ] you know yeah or or just the way you’re brought up you know the way that the new last 10year generation’s been

Brought up or you know the fact that you never went on a [ __ ] 10 game gold Dro before in your life you know before we just you know you had to deal with that yeah otherwise now you’re like looking now you’re yeah now you’re looking online and you’re just [ __ ] strolling

Through because you’re you know cuz you hate hockey so now you’re looking at chicks and [ __ ] meos you’re jealous you know I think there’s got to be like I I think in our era it was too far the other way like I I think about guys and

Like I was a good teammate but at times I was hard on some of my teammates too right like if they weren’t playing the right way and I’d be hard on in practice I think back who knows what he was dealing like col Wilson for example remember Willie yeah of course Willie

Was a rookie that I was so hard on and like that I thought there was more like I wasn’t taking it serious enough and you know he was too arrogant as a rookie and I would play him hard in practice and I would and then I look back and

It’s like wow this kid was dealing with stuff that I had no idea course and now you I think it’s too far the other way where these some of these guys are so soft that if something goes wrong you know they blame you know oh I’ve got

Some you know this and that whatever I just think there could be more of a happy medium so to speak but it’s it’s crazy how many guys are going into the nhlpa program now that need help it’s like it’s it’s really highing to me I

Guess well I think at the end of the day what we need to look at is is hopefully that you know the the help they can get no matter if it’s if it’s truly truly necessary or even it’s on just a simple spectrum of it that they get help and

That nothing ever happens you know in in what we dealt with some of our teammates we lost which is crazy I know and and head injuries and all that stuff and it all plays a factor but at the end of the day you know if we can keep guys you

Know alive and we can keep you know mental health a non-issue because they can step away from a couple weeks a month whatever the case may be if it’s fixing a drug problem if it’s fixing uh a problem at home with the family if it’s abusive Problem whatever the case

May be there is there is outlets for it but you know most important it’s keeping people you know alive so they come home to their family and their kids every day and that’s the most important 100% well said and it’s like nice to know that for

These guys now that if they got to go get help they’re not going to lose their job right like for me who was you know at the he at the height of my career I was maybe a number four defenseman on a on a you know probably a bad team but I

Was a five six guy like it’s nice to know if I would have needed to get help back then I could come back and my job would still be there like I was worried about you know Nolan bombgardener or someone else coming up and taking my job and I’m like

Not that I was dealing with you know my my my way I dealt with it was win or lose hit the booze right that’s why you know I had to let that’s why you made a t-shirt yeah but that’s why I let steam off the way I did like that’s how I

Dealt with it like up the next day and I moved on that’s that’s how I dealt with it try to get laid trying to to get practice and move on but it’s I guess it’s good that these guys can get help and not worry about hey all this guy from The Miracle is

Going to come up and take my job kind of no and I think there’s you know you have teammates now that feel you know close enough to you or you know as a leader or maybe not just as a buddy saying hey like pull a guy aside yeah you know [ __ ]

Buddy I see you just kind of changed he’s everything good mix in the water yeah well hey you’re drunk again I practice there’s some vising over there we all dealt with we’ve all had teammates and we all have best friends that we’ve either you know lost due to

This or we’ve saw go down a bad path and and you pull them back in and you know they’re better people for it you’re a better person for IT um but yeah I mean it’s just it’s different do you think guys are still using the vix Vapor Rub

To try to fool the coaches or what you think that’s still be that um halls I used to just rub it on my chest right right under your ball set and Halls yeah hey they’re like hey no bud you’re supposed to just rub it on your on your

Chest not your balls cuz now you’re [ __ ] now now she’s really leaking but uh no up dog seriously it’s great what the nhlp is doing for these guys uh last but not least here in a little intro nobody loves Dana White more than me I

Love Dana White I love this guy if I was American and had a vote and he ran for president I would vote for Dana W for president however this year last year in 2023 the UFC made $1.3 billion in Revenue next year they’re projected after signing this deal with the WWE to

Make 2.3 billion in Revenue it’s time to bump up these bonuses they’ve been $50,000 for since I’ve been a UFC fan Dana let’s get them up to 100K right I mean I I just think it’s time that these guys should make a little bit more I

Think Dana takes great care of them away from the octagon with health care training uh mental health that we’re just talking about with hockey players now I think the UFC is goes above and beyond for their Fighters but I mean listen you know Brandon Moreno was a headliner in UFC La

Last week in Mexico City I think he made you know 200 300 Grand it’s like back yeah you got to make more than that yeah no these guys are modern day [ __ ] you know Gladiators they they truly are the training um you know the pain the the

The the travel the fight you know it’s the entertainment the the whole thing the product of what he what he’s built now he is the you know he is the owner Endeavor and you know all these you know the backing now and the Partnerships they built um you know there’s a lot of

Money at stake but you’re right like top fight of the night yeah give million bucks there you go top fight of the night you know how [ __ ] crazy those fights would be if if it was a million bucks oh that’s true I I was going to

Say 100 grand CU he gives like fight the night performance of the night I mean if they threw an extra million bucks those guys would be going they would go to town you know they might kill each other but I know Dan I just think 100K up dog

Thinks give the boys a million [ __ ] would they be going toe to to I know what a product it would be try it one time try it once a month the big [ __ ] fights maybe UFC 306 at the sphere maybe D gives out a million best fight of the

Night a million bucks best knockout 250 you know yeah right I love it d i you buddy but uh I like to see those bonuses get up a little bit we’ll be right back here at missing curfew welcome back to missing curfew up dog my man get this

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Dishing some bapo around F oh where to start where to start how about this guy the guy with no jibs living up in to in the what is it the 416 uh it is the 416 there we go Five Points in three games now boys Tyler batzi he’s got 27 points

On the season he had a hatti what a road trip they had by the way what a road trip I think he scored his 100th goal uh this guy has been buzzing so Tyler bzi [ __ ] crack open a nice cold the Bat Blue would you fella yeah let me jump in

There before you move on to your next guy um yeah finally beri starting to play to the guy that they thought he would be but what a road trip I know they go in they kick the [ __ ] out of Vegas totally and then I’m thinking okay they’re going in they’re going in

They’re going out sorry after the game of Vegas right they’re going out they have to go out they won six straight the next day they got to fly to Colorado the tin air I’m thinking my lock of the night they come out and beat the

Avalanche he like for me that was such a statement went for the Leafs and berui was a big part so up dog you’re right throw that guy just to follow on it they rode this wave of [ __ ] Matthews scoring his fth 50 51 in Phoenix in his

Hometown I mean the team was buzzing you got to think they how many kills were they getting totally but remember remember when they were opening Waters and spraying waters on Marner and all that [ __ ] like that’s not what the [ __ ] lightning do it’s not what the

Bruins are going to do it’s not what the Vegas gold Knights are doing they’re [ __ ] spraying beers they’re spraying La Bap but this trip they ought have been spraying each other with [ __ ] whatever there’s a lot of [ __ ] being sprayed there was a lot of stuff getting

Sprayed around I’m sure no so so listen they rode that wave of of am34 getting his 50 51 and buz you keep saying riding that wave it reminds me of the release from Pro where it takes Man by the way big guy thanks for the tickets we got

Some tickets at the the OG Newport crew is going to night one at the form I would tell all those boys to calling sick the next day it’s a Tuesday night too so we got no pod the next day yeah it’s just like let’s go Tuesday um love

It go ahead and uh well why not while we’re handing him out fella how about this guy down south in Florida Florida Sam Bennett 14 goals now in the season 15 apples this guy just a [ __ ] wrecking machine 49 games he get 77 pins to me he is a staple Paul mace [ __ ]

Two-way forward that has been a force since he got there from Calgary listen No One expected him to do what he’s doing uh what a player I’d love to be on this [ __ ] guy’s line as his team I would have Lov to play at this you guys

Would have been great together yeah yeah you would actually you could you could this line they got right now it it could have been kachuck Bennett Upshaw it’s cousins and listen cousins was cousin was good bille boy I I love Nick’s cousins listen if I played against him

I’d want to kill him yeah he was a little upset with the up dog which by the way started to Trend up dog was the first guy that kind of called him out then bxa called him out in Hockey Night in Canada then bis nasty called him out

On chicklets I was like it’s coming from all well I mean because I’ve been there you got hit this guy [ __ ] late but you know you no but what I’m saying you didn’t flop around like that but you you hit this this guy late you you pretend

You’re not going to see a guy come they’re [ __ ] coming you know what I mean like they’re coming you just know like when I hit a guy late I [ __ ] know the guy’s coming you can’t just like pretend to not know so anyway when I say I’ve been put in that situation

When you [ __ ] run a guy get your stick up get [ __ ] ready they coming it’s still hockey and by the way since Revo said what he said we can’t use the works because we can’t use the words cuz someone owns some we we almost got sued

For the first time here at Mr curfew over a t-shirt for but ever since R said his a little bit in trle the fights well Matt Rey we talked about him this week but fights are up there’s another great fight last night coie from the Rangers just dropped his [ __ ] started chucking I

Saw that it’s great great uh listen upy this line of Bennett kachuck and cousins is unbelievable it’s playoff ready that is going to be a big life for the Florida Panthers which I believe right now is the best team in the National Hockey League plus 850 to win what are

They plus 850 Ah that’s a good back yeah throw some money on I already got my money on him n to one yeah get get in there uh let’s stay right there in South Florida with the good vitamin D my boy Monty kid fella Brandon onour back he’s

[ __ ] buzzing man he is absolutely buzzing like back up the bridge truck to Monty’s house right now free agent oh yeah yeah up listen he had a golden apple against the Sabres he was the best defenseman maybe the best player on the ice uh five goals 17 assists and 43 points he got

Off to a slow start you know I was coming back from injury but he is absolutely buzzing Monty kid fella you’re fun to watch keep it going get him a laat blue and then let’s go back up to the Northwest JT Miller I mean this kid short-handed goal the other

Night uh against the Pittsburgh Penguins was unbelievable he was all over the ice they ended up losing OT which [ __ ] up my parlay Cafe up dog but this guy is everywhere JT Miller get yourself on the Bat Blue for that short-handed goal fella I will say this talks I love you

The way they played against Pittsburgh loose Man loose and you know TOS had money on the board too to right all coaching staff played there talks foot no no foot didn’t but [ __ ] foot battle what’s that other coach they have on there is it Brad yo Mike yo did he

Was he a p yo he started there under uh under that [ __ ] that son of a [ __ ] oh I hated that guy ter huh yeah so he was he was ter a good guy he couldn’t have been a good guy Michael Terry yeah Michelle Terry Michael of course Michelle

Um no I I can’t imagine the stories you hear he’s not not perfect but and he didn’t win when they got but when they fired him and brought bsma and they won Disco Dan BMA Dan naked with naked headstands through the dressing room in Cincinnati with du spray painted on his

Chest before the game was Ducks hockey let’s go Ducks hockey I’m like this is [ __ ] great I’m 4 years old uh that was the get this guy La Bat Blue up dog it’s milk carton time here at curfew listen I love this team I love Clayton

Keller I love lawon Krauss I love the big tun O’Brien I love what uh Swish and heat Daddy are doing that boots on the ground with mold Arena but one thing about missing curfew is we’re honest here good or bad and they’ve lost 13 straight so boys hopefully this GES it

Gives you a little bump on the milk curtain but the Arizona Coyotes are on the milk curtain it doesn’t get any easier up dog they are heading into Toronto tonight they are minus 250 I already have taken the the Maple Leaves I’m disappointed I I had higher hopes

For this team ups I didn’t think they would be you know in a skin of 13 straight all I would say to this is it’s time to sell this [ __ ] team and let’s just maybe Ryan Smith the guy bring him right into [ __ ] into uh Salt Lake

City and have them buzzing next year because with a New Jersey New Rink new town I’m over it I’m [ __ ] I’m over it new girlfriend new Bullpen get new girlfriend nothing um nothing like what better place than Salt Lake with a great owner to go play next year what what are

They thinking let’s go it’s time yeah I I say it uh when you got traded or side to a new Team B did you look at it as oh my I’m leaving a good Bullpen and I got to restock or were you excited to just try to get a new Bullpen new Bullpen

Yeah yeah it’s a free agency frenzy it was just you know coming into a city let’s be honest nobody really knows to you are especially you’re under 30 it’s like come on huh good flow remember my first year you already got 100 tucks you’re just ready to rock you’re the new

Guy in town yeah it’s great it it’s great so boys in the desert get it sorted out here I still can’t believe we haven’t been to the mullet Bud we still haven’t been to the mull I hope we never go there I don’t think we’re going at

This rate we’re not it’s time yeah it’s time Salt Lake City Ryan Smith lots of money Deep Pockets why not guy was young good-looking guy Town ski hill 45 minutes away tons of golf yeah no it’s it’d be great it’d be great so that was mil carten uh get it going boys

Hopefully that gets the ky’s going out in desert good luck tonight head in Toronto maybe take the over in that one too maybe take the over yeah around the national league here up dog uh Chris tanov Shout out to day pen Yoda fourth period magazine Chris TANF is off the

Board um I had an argument with the Scout about that he was going to get a first rounder for Tan I I never thought they would I thought this is a good trade for Connie second second rounder Uh Russian defenseman Pro Prospect and a third round pick for Tan I think that’s

A good trade yeah know I listened to Connie’s interview it was basically you know do you want to get a first round pick you don’t know who it is right now they get a second rounder and a guy they know and they like this kid I I personally don’t know [ __ ] about

Him gnov I don’t either you know I’m sure we’re butchering his name but um you know they retain what 50% of his salary the Devils pick up 25% of his salary maybe that’s a sign that you know they’re going to do something in the works you know can can the devil’s work

Something to get a goalie is markim at all in the talks like but but the fact that the fact that they came in and retained you know 25% of the salary and might say something for the near future if the Devils can get I I watch

The Devils play I know it’s the San Jose Sharks but your boy Jack Hughes was absolutely had on a string the other night like on an absolute string but the pace to their game team looked good I know he was going back in against his

Old old team but I I just watched them play I’m like if you put markom in between the pipes for the devils look out look out like they may not be a bad future bet yeah I mean Jack Hughes buddy he looked unbelievable the back end for the Stars Harley hisan

Lindell um Haka suder and now tanif listen I haven’t watched Dallas play a whole lot uh that’s a good back end listen I I’m pulling for them as well I would love to see Jamie Ben win one pavoli win one sags win one um it’s a

Good trade they’re going to be a tough out up dog and for Craig conr he’s doing this thing in Calgary while they’re still trying to make a push for the playoffs you know what I mean it’s got to be a tough thing for cons right like

We’re still in it but I guess you got to look at like we’re not going to win the Stanley Cup even if we get in right no the I mean they beat the Oilers last week but good luck getting through Vancouver or Edmonton right good luck I mean it’s impossible and just staying

Here in South Florida we were talking about Monty and Bennett listen man Paul Maurice and San lefave who was my favorite decoach ever and honestly kind of [ __ ] when he left he left I had a three-year deal with the Colorado he he leaves to go be the head coach of the

Hamilton Bulldogs I remember calling him be like what are you doing man he’s like I want to be a head coach I’m like you want to go back and ride the bus like yeah [ __ ] yeah crazy great coach the Forida Panthers the reason I love them they’re so good defensively they’ve

Given up you know three or less goals or two less goals in the last certain amount of games they’re back in listen you talked about dog days and playing in places kulakov and ecan Larson have gone to South Florida and rejuvenated their cruy looks like the defenseman he was

When you were there I know back living in his house in bokeh that’s why right that’s he said like it’s totally it’s not to be said here I know to be bringing these guys in where they they want to be and B Browski is’s tracking the puck like I’ve never seen anyone up

Dog and if they play that good defensively I mean look out yeah we might be heading back to the Grove with gretz and [ __ ] hanging out for finals yeah that was a great trip yeah mess we could get our chance to get our money back Wash’s going back uh uh March 21st

He told me cuz I was see if you could get PA at Rim he’s like I’m going back to the Grove to play with uh 99 and MJ nice I said take him down Washington yeah take MJ down fella good for him he could Dre he is me I just want to be

Like Mike uh Draft Kings baby presented by DraftKings stay tuned because you’ll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show Draft Kings the crowd is yours fellas listen we could put DraftKings on the MD curon there was no [ __ ] game no top titty last week so listen we

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The Sharks and up got his former Squad the Philadelphia Flyers against our boy Brady and the SS listen fellow Friday coming up here is Jay fer uh a guy that was great to me throughout my career up dog uh guy that I I love and respect a

Lot and uh it’s a good interview coming at you here Stanley Cup champ he knows John T very well so this is this is a fun one up dog my man uh we are business partners now right we’re trying to run this missing curfew thing but we had

Many of bosses thr our day playing hockey and some good ones some bad ones uh this guy was one that that meant a lot to me and I wanted to get him on for a long time so up dog I’m happy he’s here cder Cup champion Stanley Cup

Champion an all-time good guy Jay feaser how you doing buddy I’m just great it be great to be with you guys yeah hey I see you’re in your office there I I was in your office a couple times but listen we always had pretty good conversations

Especially in Tampa when I came in and saw you yes yes we did absolutely you you were obviously you were one of my favorite players I traded for you twice I no you didn’t no matter where I went we got to get into that Jay I don’t know

What what was over your eyes there but uh you well Scotty I’m not saying that cost me my career but notice I’m not managing anymore so you know what Jay I often think about that I’m like jeez I hope that wasn’t the one that was the final straw for I don’t know what’s

Crazier you you bringing him in twice or me being his business partner now for four years going on hey Jay I want to ask you real quick before we get into it was this guy ever on your radar because he seems like he was your type of player did it UPG oh

Yeah oh oh for sure AB absolutely through the years yeah for sure yeah yep and and it was a case where you know as you know you make the phone calls and you ask the questions but it takes two to get a deal done and so absolutely

Absolutely uh Jay let’s go back to when when you first got to Tampa we obviously know you know you wanton a St in the cup there cooping the boys I’ve won two after you’ve been there but but take me back to when you first got to Tampa an

Assisted GM roll was it like how much different is it how how happy are you the way you’ve seen it grow it it’s incredible I I started in the 98 99 season came here directly from Hershey and jacqu demirez at that point was the the head coach and general

Manager the owner was Art Williams he just fired Phil Esposito as GM and his brother Tony was the AGM and and jacqu brought me in as his assistant GM and uh you know than thinking about where it’s gone from there within within less than a year of

Joining the team in that season Art Williams was selling Mr Davidson Bill Davidson out of Detroit the owner of the Detroit Pistons uh the old Detroit vipers of the IHL he he bought the team at that time Rick Dudley came in as the assistant GM I or as the GM I stayed own

As the assistant GM and and then in the middle of the 0102 season is when Duds parted ways with the team and I was named the general manager so to see where we were back then and to see where it is now I mean I thought it was crazy after we won in

0304 but to see how this community has become a hockey town uh it really is it’s very rewarding very satisfying and and it’s just it’s a pretty cool thing Jay bring me back to like that you know so 99 2000 you I was part of the national predators at an early age where

You know we were four or five years into you know an in aural season in the NHL and and you know I look at David pil and what he’s done with not only providing like winning hockey on the ice but providing like the culture in and around

The city to the young kids and to the hockey programs how important was it for you guys back then to make sure you know Tampa Bay understood just how special hockey was and then trying to put a good product out on the ice like to mix those

Two together you know what Scotty I’ll be honest with you it it was back then it was truly uh it was like triage right we we were trying to save the patient meaning the NHL team I mean it was a money losing Venture it certainly

Was for poor Art Williams it was a money losing Venture you know art came in bought the team from the Japanese ownership group and the first thing he did was clean up all the outstanding debt I mean we you know we were a team that at the time used to have to check

Into a hotel and pay cash because the credit was no good I mean liter it was bad and art art cleaned all that up and and even when Mr Davidson bought the team I remember when I was GM Ron Campbell was our team president and and

We used to go up to Auburn Hills which is where Mr Davidson’s business is the you know the the flat glass business was located and and we’d go in there we’d meet and we’d have some niceties and he’d talk a little bit about the team

And and you know I’d give him what I thought we were going to look like and what we were trying to do and then he turned around Campbell and he always called him soup right Campbell Campbell Soup he’d say soup I don’t want to have

To write a check this year for more than $15 million do you think you can keep the losses under 15 million he was serious yeah w we we’d leave the meeting and Ron Kamp look at me and go well here’s what we’re going to do in Revenue

So figure out what your payroll is going to be this year I literally so back then we weren’t doing the things that we needed to be doing within the community and I can tell you that it was when I came back in 2010 after I’d been or in

2014 I’d gone to Calgary in 2010 came back here in 14 and at that point in time I was brought in to run the community hockey department and and that’s when we realized under under our new owner owner Jeff venick that we need to we need to start building the the

Affinity in the community and and really when that started and it’s been Gang Busters ever since yeah I mean minor hockey has grown so much in Tampa I mean the city in General’s booming but the lightning have been a big part of hockey but so Jay you go from assist GM to to

To you’re the man Duds who I love Rick Dudley he played my uncle I think he’s an old school guy but but talk about you’re the GM of the team um were you ready right away were you nervous like how was it making that big jump where

All of a sudden you’re the man yeah it’s it’s different for sure and and it was certainly you know the guy who really pushed for me was Ron Campbell uh you know I I remember Tom Wilson who was the the CEO out of Detroit who was basically

Bill Davidson’s right-hand man I I I know that it wasn’t an easy sell for Ron Ron Ron told him I have the right guy Jay’s the right guy and and I know that that wasn’t an easy sell the the great part of it was that you know the

Organization Mr Davidson and and Ron Campbell they gave me the ability to to set it up the way I felt I needed to and and I didn’t believe that I needed to have an assistant general manager right away because I had done that I knew how to negotiate the contracts I understood

Dealing with the league and the collective bargaining agreement that stuff was in my baileywick I I wanted somebody who had played the game and scouted the game coached the game so you know one of my first hires was Bill Barber yeah I I hired bill as the yeah

Exactly as the Director of player personnel and uh we had Rick Patterson was already on the staff at the time patter transition to become our chief Pro Scout so those were the guys and then as as you know working with a guy like John torella you know torz was a

Big sounding board for me and and I would go to torz and I would say listen I have an opportunity to pick up player x what are your thoughts and and Tor would if he didn’t know the player himself he’d do his due diligence and so

It it was very much a collective process back then yeah I I want to get into torts with you Jay but I I want to ask you listen uh this guy he made a couple Shady trades in our fantasy this year we don’t need to get into that Jay but uh

Listen I’m a pretty aggressive GM in fantasy and and I’ll joking aside I’m just curious like how often are you working the phones like if I was minus 31 night are you like you know what I’m going to call and say Hey listen does anyone want O’Brien here this guy like

Or like how how often are you trying to get a a pulse on the rest of the league on on a regular basis it really is it’s something you do all the time and and sometimes that’s all it is sometimes it’s just the the phone call to one of

Your colleagues to say what do you have going how are things you know you you obviously follow what teams are doing you you see how teams are going uh one of the things that I used to make it a point to do honestly and I did it every

Day was that I would read I would scour the out of town Clips right and and not not to see what the final score was of a game or who scored the goals per se but but looking in the notes who who had hasn’t been playing in the last two

Weeks who who’s banged up who th those kinds of things to try to get some or who’s pissed off at a coach who you know who’s in the dogghouse who who is not happy and and just make the calls and find out where where guys are and

Sometimes you could make a phone call and it would be two three months later before something materialized out of it but but I always felt that it was important to know what the other guys are thinking now wonder you trated for me twice my name was in those notes my

Whole career Jay dog house not playing coach doesn’t I mean that’s now know why he got me twice cuz I was I was always available he was also watching the highlights though but he liked the backhand sauce and you stick it up for teammates and come on you know yeah you

Know what that’s true right I it’s funny I I gotta tell you I do have a bone to pick with you Obie I’m I’m looking at the website here for for this show for Mr curfew you’re you’re featured in a freaking Panthers jersey right that’s that’s the you smiling with your

Panthers jersey and then I got Colorado I got Anaheim and I got Vancouver holy hell I traded for you twice Tampa and and Calgary and there’s not you in one of those jerseys you know what Jay that that I’m going to put that on our social

Media guy Mark Prince who’s a Flames fan so he still may be mad at both of us he still may be mad at both of us because he’s he’s a Flames guy um Jay you mentioned John torella and you know when I first met you when

When I got traded I knew how like good good of a person you were and then I met torz and I was kind of like you know took me a second to get a read on this guy cuz he’s intimidating uh he made me a better person a better hockey player

And a better man looking back but just what was it about torz we all know the history of it now but what was it about torz that jumped out to you right away yeah I you know it’s uh it’s funny I I went back to the American Hockey League

Days with torz because torz was the head coach in Rochester the the Rochester Americans when I was the general manager in Hershey so I I knew who he was I I knew his stick I I knew the success that he’d had with that team you know he he

Won a CER cup there in in Rochester so when when Rick Dudley again Duds was the one who had hired him and and I was fortunate back then because Duds involved me in all those interviews every every head coaching candidate that he had brought in when he was replacing

Steve ludik he he brought me into those and and and when he asked me what I thought about torrs I I really did believe that John torella was the right guy to coach this team at that time uh as you know hav’t played for him he he

Is a guy that was born without the political correctness Gene he doesn’t have it he right there there’s no regulator on on torts he he tells you exactly what he thinks and and he has the most incredible ability I’ve ever seen on somebody and that is the ability

To go nose to nose with you right toe totoe no to those and and and have the the most difficult conversation and you give it back to him and yet when you walk out of his office it’s forgotten yeah you know he he doesn’t hold that

Grudge he doesn’t he’s not going to take it out on you as a player and and I got to watch it through the years where you know a player would go in and challenge him and say I think you’re wrong and Tor Tor would always flip it back and say

Then prove me wrong yeah then prove me wrong and and he wouldn’t just give the guy you know two or three minutes a game to to prove him wrong you know like a guy like Marty St Loui when Marty said I can do more I you know I I can score in

This league I can be a highly productive player torz fed him the minutes and said all right it’s it’s your wedding or it’s your funeral you know you you think you can do it prove to me you can do it and and that’s it’s one of the things that

That I love about the guy and and people don’t know that you know away from the ice that that he really is a kind heart giving caring kind of guy if if you’re an an animal or a kid you have no problem with Tor yeah if if you’re an

Adult well I can go either way right if you’re brooksie from New York you might not like torch because you exactly exactly go either way so Jay after you know just walking on the bus used to be after you know you get your butt kicked

Walking on the bus and you see the GM first on the left side and you see the head coach on the right side you know I I’ve been on buses where the GM’s usually more pissed off than the coach or the coach is like you know what would

Be your demeanor you know are you sitting talking to the coach are you pissed off more than him what what was that Dynamic like yeah it it uh and I I did I I took the losses hard and I and I would get very very sour but I I always

Felt that one of my jobs was to make sure that I was there for him as a as a sounding board because I didn’t want to have him take it out on players or have to take it out on an assistant coach you know th those guys need to be together

And unified and and so that was always my role that I wanted to be the one that when he was pissed off he could talk to me and and he could vent to me and and and really it was whether we were onun the road or at home I I’d go into the

Coach’s office after a game at home if we lost and close the door and and that was the time you know vent and again one of the great Parts about John torella you know I I could walk in there or be on the bus with him after a game and and

He would you know he’d start complaining about a player you know Dam Obi was was the dog’s breakfast tonight right and and and I’d listen and and then what would happen was and again whether it was at home or on the road he would then watch the tape and and the next morning

When I’d see him oftentimes he’ you know what Obi wasn’t as bad as I thought or conversely he’d say boy I thought Marty was good tonight and and I’d listen and just take it in and and then the next day he’d say you know and Marty wasn’t

Quite as good as I thought right y so I I always thought that was a great quality to have too that in that moment and that’s what I wanted in that moment I I wanted him to be able to vent that to me and I could take it and absorb it

And and not react to it and then give him an opportunity to actually look at the film and see what he thought yeah it’s a great question by up dog and one thing I loved about you Jay is is you wore your heart on sleeve and I was kind

Of like that throughout my career like when things were you know when we lost I remember seeing you after games I’m like I I don’t even want to say hi to Jay but I’ll never forget when we won my first playoff game we lost game one against

Jersey we came back and won game two at the old presedential arena and you came down about five minutes after the game and came in the dressing room and were like yeah boys w a want to win I was like that was the greatest thing I’ve

Ever seen boys let’s go yo we’re going home but you when we did win you enjoyed the wins very much as well right you ra guy I I did and I I truly I I did my I wore my emotions on my sleeve and and

And you know what I I just I I was passionate about it and and as you know I I cared I I cared about not just the team and the wins and I cared about the guys yeah you did and we cared about you right back and that’s why you want a

Stanley Cup but I want to ask you about a guy uh when you brought me in I only had him for from the deadline on but but Craig Ramsey rammer meant a lot to me uh I was sad to see him go my second year you know we brought in Sully and Sully

Was fine with me but Craig Ramsey like what did he mean to you what does he mean to that organization one thing I loved about rammer I was telling yeah I had rammer too yeah we get a big win you know you go out give the goalie a little

Headbutt or a good win by the time I came back in the dress room of Tampa rammer already had a cold beard in C I love rammer yeah I I I love rammer too and that’s you know what a what a tremendous coach right and and honestly I I don’t think people necessarily

Appreciate what a great uh yin and yang it was with torts right because I I would I would watch torts and and you know this there there were times when Tor would just reduce a player to a puddle of you know goo right like you just and and and and then he

He’d skate away on the ice he’d skate away and here comes Uncle Craig Here Comes uncle rammer and and and you watch rammer and it’s it’s almost like he’s just he’s reshaping and he’s remolding and and he he has you know the quiet let let me tell you what the boy meant by

That the boy didn’t really mean it the way it sounded the boy he’d always he’d say the boy didn’t mean it that way and I I thought he just always had a great ability to be able to to help guys understand and see the big picture and

You know obviously he was an incredibly successful player and and I I just I think he’s an awesome coach I really do yeah they were a good fit right cuz Tor would come in and give it to you then rammer would be there but I just

Remember Nick tarnaski a guy we both we both love tle poor tle like first shift couldn’t get the puck out you know next shift couldn’t get I’m like oh T’s done the torch come down the bench and just let him have it but Ram was always good

At you know coming like in after you said and being like hey this is what he was saying he didn’t really yeah you know did you have that the same with him yeah well he was Kevin Denine I think he was Kevin Den’s assistant and Kevin was

At times you know our team would be up and down you talk about ying and yang some days really good other days not and then you need that voice you need that voice and and that’s you know you talk about relationships uh feaster with like

Some of your players and I look back at my GMS and Paul homr was a guy that treated like us like his kids in Philly right like we had a young team and we and we we saw growth you know amongst our group like from just from game one

To say 82 and and a lot of it is because you know the the guy up top and the coach they have this understanding of how these kids need to evolve and how to talk to each kid and building those relationships and the way he’s always

Spoke about you is like you treat these guys like the younger guys like your kids your draft picks and and it’s so important to to the dynamic of of watching a team grow yeah and just to piggyback that up dog teed me up you know when you did trade for me you know

I I came in you guys were a few years removed from from winning a Stanley Cup and I I knew of you and John torella from watching you guys win your Stanley Cup and I didn’t know anyone else in that dressing room and Marty St Louis Vinnie La cavier Dan Bole Brad Richards

I can’t stress how good these guys were like how good they were to young guys how good that dress room was like how important are those four guys to you and what they mean and just how good of persons they were representing yeah they you’re right as as great a hockey player

As every one of them was they they’re good guys too that’s how good they are as as people and and we were fortunate and again and I give Duds the the credit you know Duds was the one who he he convinced Dave andrachuk to sign here

With the lightning and and he’s the one who brought Tim Taylor in too and you go back to our winning and and those two guys are instrumental and and you think about how young the guys you just mentioned were at the time right from from Marty to to Brad to Vinnie uh to

Boer and and those guys all got to observe not not just learn from in terms of what you know what tals and Andrew chuck had to say but just watch how they conducted them M themselves how they prepared the things that they did watching Dave anduk after a really tough

Loss a demoralizing loss when when guys were sneaking into the medical Room walk into the medical room and say get your ass back out in the locker room we’re all talking to the media tonight you know that that sort of a thing and and they they were they were they were

Instrumental in helping to to forge the the culture and and then those guys taught it they they passed it on and and you look at some of the like I I like a stammer yeah you know stammer stammer was here and learned from guys like

Lavier and St Louis and and and I think that’s when as an organization you really start to have something is when there is that kind of continuity and and you are building and reinforcing that culture over time yeah I just remember when I first got in the I got traded in

Whatever I was practice the next day I saw Marty in his little G shorts and his and his legs he I’m like oh my God like tree truns like like big redwoods yeah I’m like I’m not maybe I’m not not doing enough squats in the office here I’m

Like what’s what’s Marty’s secret but I mean Marty St Louie to me you know and and listen we couldn’t have been more opposite guys Marty was a great family man I was a single young kid that I’m sure at times he looked at me and was like this kid’s a disaster or whatever

But he met so much to me looking back to Marty and I still stay in touch with them and how proud of you to see him coaching and doing a great job with the ABS awesome it’s absolutely awesome and you know what it doesn’t surprise me be

Because you know one of the things Tor and I used to always talk about this that if if a player had the ability to self-evaluate honestly right like honestly evaluate yourself not not not kid yourself because we all do that right we all we all want to kid

Ourselves that we’re doing better than we are that we’re given more effort than we think if but if a player has that ability to honestly self-evaluate they’re worth their Wai in gold and Marty St Louie had that ability in Spades yeah Mar Marty St Louie never

Like I I don’t ever remember remember a time where he and torz would meet and and Tor would ask him well how do you think you’re playing that Marty’s self-evaluation wasn’t dead bang on and and so that’s that’s why I’m I’m not surprised that he is such a good coach

Um but you know Marty approached the game and I always said this even after we’d won the cup even after he was an MVP even after you know the scoring all the all the accolades I always felt that Marty was always waiting for somebody to

Tap him in the shoulder on the ice and say you’re going down today kid yeah you know that he he never he never got complacent with where he was it was always I gotta prove myself to stay here yeah because he probably never forgot that feeling right no totally and and

I’ve um I played in the World Championships I think it was 2008 and it was in Switzerland and I had a chance to see the dynamic between a very young 18-year-old Stam coast and Marty St Louis over there right playing together stammer and him on the same line and

Just watching like you know I remember even going golfing with them I brought my brother Brent and Marty stammer and and we’re golfing in the middle of Switzerland and and you know I’m just watching stammer kind of you know just follow his footsteps like kind of the

Little things right like and it even started on like on the golf course or when they’d go eat together they ate together and that’s a cool Dynamic to see and you know something that you knew that natural leadership ability was in Marty and now it’s completely in stammer

You look at the way stammer been y great D and the thing that Marty taught me and that I love because I I like to come to the rink and have a good time and Mar no one liked when we were losing the second year it was tough sometimes with Marty

But I mean he would joke around and laugh and play and then when it came time to practice he practiced as hard as he could yeah and then he got his workout and did his work but but he was always having a good time enjoying the

Game but when it’s time to go it was go time with for Marty that’s right that’s exactly right Jay I want to talk to you about your Stanley Cup win you guys had it was the best I remember watching that final like that was that was men that

Was Men playing a men’s game there was hooking there was crosschecking there was fighting ainla and and Vinnie like just walk me through the ups and downs of that whole seven game because as an as a young kid watching that was hockey yeah it was I I I totally agree with you

There and I I really thought that you know going into it the narrative was that it was going to be Calgary’s will against Tampa skill and and that was one of the things that I was so proud of our guys for that I I really felt that our

Will showed through you know I I still remember Tor when when we were preparing for the final right we were at our practice rink in Brandon and and getting ready and he called the group together and his comment was he said now that we got this far why don’t we go wi fing

Thing and and I mean in a lot of ways we we thought we were playing with house money I mean no one expected us to be there and and and it really it was a group that bought in I always said that that that team that group The the

Coaches the trainer everybody you know everybody did their job and and while everybody wanted to advance and succeed and you know like the the AGM wants to be the GM the the assistant medical trainer wants to be the head trainer the assistant coach you know rammer would

Like to be a head coach but nobody wanted the job of the guy ahead of them you know like it wasn’t a case where rammer wasn’t trying to take tor’s job and the assistant equipment manager wasn’t trying to to take Ray Phil’s job and and and it was everybody just doing

Their their job and the the the roller coaster of emotions was unbelievable because it did it went seven games and we’re we’re going back to Calgary and after we lose game five here overtime and and they have an opportunity to win the the cup on on home ice right and and

I I always thought that again a great coaching job by TS because you know he he turned the pressure and put it on them that’s that’s when he met with our team when he kept telling the media he kept saying to the media there’s no pressure on us we’re not even supposed

To be here but imagine for them imagine Hockey Night in Canada imagine skating the cup on your home ice and like he he’s doing all and I I talked to Iggy when I was the GM in Calgary and and Jerome told me he said we bought into

That he said like we’re yeah he he said I remember listening and going yeah yeah think about that think you know think about how cool that would be and and it was it was just uh you know Marty’s goal in game six in double overtime to win it and send it back to

Tampa and and then you know fedotenko what he did in game seven and and of course I was pleased about that because that was one of the first trades that I had made yeah and and at the time everybody’s going what is wrong with you you know what what are you doing you’re

Trading such a high pick to get Rous on fedotenko but you know I I remember going to that draft where we acquired feds and torz had said to me before I went he said if you come back here with a pick he said if you make that pick and

That’s what you come back with he said we’re screwed we we needed players right we needed help so that sounds like to that sounds like wor yeah that’s that’s great uh Jay before we dive into Calgary here one last thing about Tampa uh you know obviously we’ve talked about how you

Brought me in there and you gave me extension right when I got to town and um you know I felt like it was home for me and then all of a sudden you know the course throughout my second year there’s Rumblings about the team’s going to be

Sold and um you know no disrespect to or KS and Len Barry I got to know both of them but in all honesty it was a complete Gong Show and now sitting here as a 40-year-old man I I I just wanted to ask you personally like you know how

How was that to go through and looking back on my career I wish Jay that that would have never happened because I I truly think I would have stayed there forever and we were building something again but how was that or how tough was that to deal with well you you’re right

That was hard uh you know you you and me both in terms of wish and it had never happened it uh it was something that certainly you know we didn’t see coming we didn’t know that it was going to happen and and and it was it was what

You know good good old Tor Tor said Tor called them the the two Cowboys you know that that was just the the Cowboys um but but it was hard I I I was uh I had reached a point there where for a lot of reasons I I felt that by that time

John’s message was starting to wear thin in the room I I thought there were some guys starting to tune him out and that we needed to make a change and and I I talked to Orin koulish about that and he he kept telling me put a pin in that put

A pin in that put a pin in that and you know and ultimately those guys had their own plan right they they knew what they wanted to do they knew that they were going to bring Brian lton in and it was it was a really it was a hard time for

Me too and uh it was clear that I had no role to play I remember we were talking about free agency starting and and I was talking about the they had identified the players they wanted and and I talked about well you know I have a good relationship with

This guy’s agent that guy’s I I could talk to him well we’ll get back to you now we’ll get back to you and that it and and so it was pretty clear that the the writing was on the wall and and I was you know I I was not part of it and

It was it was hard yeah because I too felt that we could have turned things we were going in a in a positive direction some of the things that I felt that could be done but it wasn’t to be no and we weren’t that far away I mean our goal

Our goal home Quist what was his first day Michael was it Michael Holquist we had remember back in the day uh no what was it uh hqu I thought it yeah but anyways he was a young Swedish go that we had but I thought we had a good

Foundation and I was just a young kid at the time but once you know you left and torts left and they you know they brought in Barry Melrose I think Barry’s a good guy but like it just went from like stru of a championship organization

To all of a sudden you get back there for training camp it’s like what the hell’s going on here now you just realize like the stability that you guys had built was no longer there you know yeah yep um Jay so so you know 2007 um I

Think was your last year in Tampa there’s a little bit of a you know you take a little bit of a break mentally like how do you stay in the game when when you’re a GM and and you’re shifting gears and and you know you get released

By Tampa Bay um you know you’re staying involved in the game you’re still reading all the game notes you’re staying on top of your game um you talk about that period and then you know what it’s like to move into a completely different atmosphere a Canadian GM right

Like take it on can I I was fortunate in that once I was once I was fired here I I was able I I worked with the guys at ranknet the The Scouting uh software program I worked with those guys I had my own uh my own r rink net scouting

System set up on a computer and and the guys here in the PR department Billy Wicket and those guys were great and and I was able to come here and and Scout Games at the arena and and at least have my own book on on players and and so I

Did that I also did some media work I I was writing a regular column at that time for the hockey news uh every once in a while I do uh you know like trade deadline day at at TSN that sort of thing so I I was watching a lot of games

And and making sure that I was staying current on it and then the the opportunity came I I got a phone call in uh in Spring of 2010 from Daryl Sutter and and he said uh how come you’re you’re not in the game how you know how come you’re not

Doing anything and and I said well I’m you know I’m looking for an opportunity and he said well would you be willing to come back as an AGM and I said of course yeah I would and so he he brought me out to Calgary and I interviewed with Daryl

And the ownership group there and Ken King uh at the time the team president and and and got that offer and so I was able to to start there at the beginning of the 2010 2011 season what what I never expected was that literally you

Know by Christmas time I I started in in July of 2010 by December of 2010 they fired Daryl and and named me as the interim GM so and and of course you know part of that was the dynamic between Daryl and Brent yeah Brent was the head coach and

And so it was that that was a crazy time and you’re right you go from a place like Tampa where it was exciting to see how the interest built over time and you know how it slowly started to become a hockey town I mean you know you you go

To Calgary and and it’s bigger than religion I I used to I used to always say that you know I I’d go to mass on a Sunday afternoon or a Sunday morning or rather and and at Mass when they get to the part where you know peace be with

You and now let’s share a sign of peace with each other yeah I mean it it wasn’t peace be with you it was what the hell happened last night that’s so well peace be with you too yeah I know there’s there’s nothing like the Canadian Market I had that in

Vancouver and then in agree with but you you mentioned Billy Wicket what a great guy Billy is I saw him in Nashville a couple years ago um but listen we got we got a question from our social media Guru um Mark Prince he wants to ask what

Was it like to trade jome like because we all know how much Iggy meant to that organization so how was that as a Flames fan he wants to know what it was like trading him H it was hard it was hard and you know it’s a case where at that

Point in time the team the team had always been a cap team right the Murray Edward as the chair of the ownership group there you know there five owners but Murray was the leader of that group the team always spent to the salary cap there was never any question about that

But as you know you know spending to the cap doesn’t always guarantee that you’re going to have success and and unfortunately the franchise was not having success and and so you know you start to look at it and you start to look at contracts and you start to say

Okay Iggy’s deal is coming up in a year what what what are we we’re not going to be in a position where we can offer the kind of deal that he’s going to expect and we we need to acquire more pieces and and so it it was a it was a

Difficult thing to do it was a difficult conversation to have with ownership and say that we have to do something and and then you’re dealing with a situation where you know he was really in control of of where he would go I mean he had

The the no trade no move and so you you need to get his his sign on and buy in and and that limits your ability to deal with the marketplace right yeah uh if you go back and and look at it at the time we we actually I had a deal in

Place with Boston and and you know I Peter Shelli was the GM we we had an agreement and and and I remember calling Donnie mean who who was Iggy’s agent and I said you know we have a deal in place and I said I need something in writing signed by

Jerome that he’s willing to wave to to go to Boston and and I I always remember Donnie said well you may have a deal but we don’t and I said whoa whoa whoa I said I asked you if you needed an extension before he would wave and you

Said no and he said no he doesn’t need an extension he just he he wants to decide where he’s gonna go yeah and and that was when he wanted to go to Pittsburgh and so now you know now you you’re going back to Pittsburgh who you’ve said no I’m going in a different

Direction and now you’re going back it’s it’s a tough spot yeah it is a tough tough spot I could have used that no move a couple times in my touch I could I should I should have had that one slid in there this guy got this guy got a no

Move somehow still wondering how he got that thankfully I’d have been out of the league in 2012 Jay I want to ask you from a personal level too like you know you win your cup you go to Calgary and I guess it was a rebuild like what what’s

It like I’ve always wondered this like what’s it like trying to do a rebuild right cuz we’re all competitive guys you’re a Stanley Cup champion we all know that the NHL is the greatest league in the world until you’re losing it sucks for the boss it sucks for us like

How hard is it to try to rebuild the team Jay it’s it’s very hard and it’s you know the the tough part there in Calgary was and I this is the honestly guys truth when I went there as as Daryl’s assistant in that 20101 season I

I honestly believe that our our path was going to be that we were going to win a Stanley Cup and and I I always look that you know again I didn’t want Daryl’s job I I wanted to become GM in the league again but I wanted to do it after having

Had success as an AGM there and winning a Stanley Cup with him as the general manager and and then get my opportunity again and and so that was the that was another tough part was that I I looked at the pieces that we had and and as you

Guys know I mean you get older right players get older and and guys slow down and their games chip down even if it’s just a little bit and and and unfortunately that’s that’s what happened I mean we we had Allstar players there we had great players and

And and yet it was you know the window was closing and had kind of closed and and and when you have to try to start over again it’s it’s very very difficult it it really is it’s and and just as here like you go back and look here

After we won the cup and and and obviously we had Nikolai hobby Bulan as our our Cup winning goalie you know you look at koft there yeah and and I certainly felt as though here I had never solved the goal tending issue I mean we you know we had lots of good

Guys and and they were they were good guys and and and they worked hard but we never we never replicated that and and the same thing was true in terms of you don’t you don’t easily find another Kipper yeah I know Kipper retired the year before you brought me into Calgary

And I just heard so many great stories from from the boys and I was like a couple nights I’m like I wish Kipper was back there to fil me out a little bit here like where’s where’s when I need him but Jay last one for me fella um you

Know I love you you brought me in twice and it obviously didn’t go the way we both wanted to in Calgary but I’ll never forget like when they brought berky in and I love berky I think berky’s a good Irishman but I just felt so bad for you

Because like the kind of I think you said to me one day in your office the writing’s on the wall for me OBS and unfortunately when the writing was on the wall for you that meant the writing was on the wall for me as well Jay it

Seemed wherever you left I was done too but how hard was that fella it was hard for me looking back it was kind of the end for me but but looking back to that how I guess another personal question for me how tough was it dealing with

That it was brutal it it was absolutely Brut you know what and it’s funny Obie because I I remember like it was yesterday I I I recall that when I had driven into the to the Saddle Dome that day to go to work the day that it went

Down I I saw berky’s truck coming in you know behind me like I was walking into my office and I saw the truck coming into the parade and I thought well that’s odd I I thought he is going to be out of town you know because he used to

Travel back to Toronto yeah on the weekends and I I thought that that’s huh I wonder what’s going on and and it wasn’t long after that uh he he called and he said hey can you come see me in my office and and I I truly I was in

Fact no he he came to my office he he came to my office and I do remember he came to my office and and closed the door and he sat down and he said uh you know talking ownership they want to make a change and you know you’re out you know

Berky sugar and and I had had a clause in my contract that if if they fired me before a certain period of time they could take a reduction in my pay and and I said what about that clause and he said well I don’t know he said that’s uh

That’s Ken King will have to answer that for you and I remember standing up and I walked right by him I left him he he was sitting in my office and I walked right by him I left him and walked down to Ken King because I wanted to get that issue

Dealt with and you know the the thing that happens then is so I deal with Ken I go back to my office and and now you know obviously my my executive assistant knows about it and and the staff knows about it so you got that walk a shame

Back into your office but remember as as you very well know Obie I had young kids right yeah you know like by by that point in time my oldest two they were out of school but but my my daughter Libby she was a senior in high school

And and then I had the two young boys and and I remember that was my biggest concern I I said I have to get my wife on the line and I have to tell her because I want her to go to school and get the kids I don’t want the kids

Hearing about it from some you know yeah some jerk little kid going ah you’re dad you know and that it is it’s it’s hard it it it hurts it’s it’s tough on ego yeah and and it’s it’s a it’s a tough feeling it really is yeah it was tough

For all of us tough for me I personally thought they should have made a coaching change more than a GM change but oh you you’ve been pretty vocal but Jay’s leaving is Bob going with him or not Bob’s not going are you sure what let’s keep Jay and send Bob please Jay’s

Awesome but um last but not least Jay first of all thank you for everything you did for me throughout my career buddy uh what exactly is your role now with the lightning what is your day-to-day stuff looking like what’s the life like Jay fer yeah you know what now

I’m a senior vice president of legal and business Affairs so I I have the responsibility we have a three-person legal department and uh you know what it’s no different than than a hockey team I I have two great young attorneys that that work for me and and they make

Me look good right it’s uh they they really are outstanding and I was fortunate when I came back here as you know I was on the community hockey side I was first executive director and then the VP of community hockey development and and that was growing the game in the

Community and we did some really good things that I’m very proud of over the eight plus years that I was doing that but been doing this for the last three years and and really uh you know all all aspects of uh of the legal uh from the

Contracts that we sign with sponsors and and uh advertisers that sort of thing to litigation for the building and and the slip and Falls those things the insurance for the the whole operation it’s uh it takes me back to my roots because that’s where I started right I I

I’m a graduate of Georgetown University Law Center in DC and I practiced law for two years before going to Hershey Entertainment and Resort company and getting involved with the Bears so it’s it’s sort of full cycle now full circle awesome that’s awesome um Jay thank you

So much for taking the time buddy like I said uh you mean the world to me fella it’s good to catch up and um yeah thank you for taking the time it’s my pleasure Obie it’s great seeing you being with you and you too Scotty