Legend Dave Stockton Interview- From Major Champ To Ryder Cup Winner

Fairways of Life is joined by Dave Stockton, a 2-time Major Champion and the Captain of the US Ryder Cup Team in 1991 when the US won at Kiawah.

10 time winner on the PGA tour as I mentioned a two-time major Champion uh twice representing the United States and Ryder Cup team this person this is when I give it away you know who it is right was the 1991 captain of the United States Ridder Cup team yes I am talking

About Dave Stockton to just tell you a little bit more about his resume he was a winner 25 times amongst the professional ranks 10 of those as I mentioned on the PGA tour the 19 1970 PGA Championship was his so to was the 1976 PGA Championship he was a runner-up

At the Masters in 1974 he was a runner up at the US Open in 1978 he had eight major championship top 10s to his credit those Ridder Cup teams 1971 and 1977 14 PGA Tour Champions wins he’s a three-time senior major Champion 599 PGA Tour starts to his credit 436 PGA Tour

Champion starts to his credit for 1,35 career starts and he had 128 top five combined finishes within that think about that as a percentage already that is pretty darn good and it’s always great to have the company of Dave Stockton hello Mr Stockton how you feeling my friends good to see you I’m

Doing good Matt great to be with you been a while it has been a while and you know I was just I was looking again at your resume as I do it’s just kind of insecurity to make sure you’re up to speed on everything and I noticed and I

Say this in in 82 years young that that you have reached that age but I bumped into to Dave Jr at the PGA show he still told me you were out duck hunting have you slowed down at all no trying not to just finished my biggest fundraiser of

The year in Palm Springs with our Medal of Honor tournament here yesterday and uh no we’re going to I’ll be playing at the Legends tournament the the old guys division obviously at Houston and then with both boys be at Wells Fargo for the final Wells Fargo tournament there at uh

Quil Hollow so yeah we’re trying to keep busy enjoy it I I don’t aim to sit still anytime soon it’s just fabulous now you heard me mentioning when you were coming on that you’re one of the people that your impact on the game has been both so

Profound and so vast it’s hard for me to Define where that impact has had has had its primary uh memory made for example a multiple time major Champion a multiple time knocking on the door in major championships outside of that a captain of the United States Ryder Cup team that

Was such a distinctive year in that and then one of the great putting coaches in in the entire world that’s been going on for years and years and I assume you’re still actively engaged in the same so let me ask you the question when you think about the different chapters in

The golfing life of Dave Stockton what stands out to you the most well it be funny you haven’t mentioned it yet uh I think the biggest thing is that I’ve always enjoyed the pro AMS I I I take it I get four people for 18 holes I figure

I can cut three or four strokes off their handicap and I don’t think cutting is as difficult as most people want to make it certainly not that I’d have to write a 300 page book on how to do it uh it and I I’ve enjoyed and it’s probably

Cost me the Hall of Fame it has so far the fact that you know I would love to play the one pro am and the regular tour and then on the senior tour of course he played two days and I still think the interaction between the pro and the

Players and what you can experience you can tell them um you know I I look at a coocher or I look at a maroy or you know ANUK saurin Stam on the other side and the ladies Ooa uh Morgan Pressel on Down the Line Donna capony who whoever you

Want to mention Arnold Jack the experience that people get in getting up close and personal to us so I I’ve enjoyed it the in the 70s I would plan my schedule which hurt me around the corporate outings I would do which would total probably 75 days a year and I

Would walk away at the end of those days feeling like I want a tournament so you’re right I have had some chapters I’m a been a player I know good and well that I’m a I was a better instructor you know when I came came out in 2009 that

Already helped a lot of people including anuka well ahead of that um but I mean the boys the between David and Ronnie and myself we had over 200 wins in a very short period of time on all tours and I felt like the Legacy was cemented there because I know Dad’s looking down

And he KN I know he knows that I was a better player than I a better Coach than I was a player so it it’s been something that’s kept me busy Matt but again like yesterday we complet this thing it it got too big for being here at redin in

Fact on tour they came out and ENT it was the tournament here that we had was in Redlands or Riverside and we always stayed our brothers markets and it was we in Victoria or Redlands and now we got twoo big so we were at the Esmeralda

In Palm Springs and played the 36 holes there in one day uh they presented a check for the tour to to our to the ster Brothers charities for a million to Net in one day yeah and so yeah I’m keeping busy and I know the total this year probably going to after

Fact is going to be almost $1.7 million and at all stay in our community so that’s kind of it it it’s it’s something to me that I know I’ve given back to the game and uh I I don’t regret the fact that maybe I didn’t win as much as I

Could have won but all those days and the time spent with the people uh introducing what GF meant to me uh it’s just it’s it’s been a fantastic ride and hope it continues for a few more years you know you what you just said can send me in a million different directions and

I’m I’m going to try to narrow it down from talk about the Hall of Fame to to talk about putting to talk about giving back and and and your interaction with people in prams and your ability to coach in all of it let let me if you

Would start first of all with the putting and you and I have spoken about this in public forums we’ve spoken about this in private forums a million times over the years and to the point that that you usually get a little bit exasperated with me because I’m trying

To find the secret to putting where you usually tell me the secret to putting is to not try are you still going to tell me the same thing yes uh absolutely I mean if you try you’re going to take more time you see it every week I mean I mean I see it

In guys that I used to work with and the way we’ve always taught and you well know it is I want to teach you so you can teach yourself I I don’t want you to have to take lessons all the time I want you to go out and enjoy the game and for

Some reason or other people tend to if it’s an important putt or something’s really important to them they’re going to take more time and they think trying harder is going to unlock it and trying harder just locks you up and that’s why the boys and I have called our our

Method the you know the the signature approach to putting and we have you sign your signature takes about 3 or 4 seconds then we ask you to see the signature you to sign your own signature and take 15 to 20 seconds and make it exactly the same well they can’t even do

The first letter because as soon as you try you stiffen up and I I you know I always relate it to other sports and know somebody the shooting pool isn’t going to step up beside the Q ball and practice stroke for five or six times to get the feel

And step in behind it but a golfer does takes these stroke practice strokes he thinks is really important gets the putter behind the ball and now that thing dies for most people there are a few people that putt fast like I do just let it go it’s either going to go in or

It’s not going to go in and if you try it isn’t going to work is that the reason why you’ve been promoting for years don’t take a practice swing Step Up trust your instinct and go I did just see a recent report an expert came out

And said if you take a practice swing you’re 95% less likely to make the putt from there but you’ve been saying this simple message forever yeah oh yeah no I’m I mean some people there’s fast players uh I’m fast Lanny Watkins was fast there’s slower players like Jack that you know get set

Tiger in the middle somewhere um but I always felt that if you had an opportunity you would try to go a little bit quicker and Let It Go not a f stroke or anything but just your process if if you’re throwing a dart at

A at a at a board you’re looking at the bullseye the bull ey for a putter is the the put the hole in the green the where the holes cut I mean you look at it how many things is not it’s not calculus it’s it’s not it’s not that serious it’s

Not cancer it’s nothing like that pick your line and let it go and if you expect to make it if you stand behind the ball as you walk into it and you can see where it’s going to fall in the hole whether it’s coming in at 4:00 or 7:00 if it’s breaking right

Whatever if you see that you got a good chance of making it but most people don’t even see it they try to get it over with because they they don’t feel comfortable putting and a lot of times it’s their routine or a lot of times it’s a putter that doesn’t fit them I

Mean there’s all various things and and Matt the the one thing that you get to in the end is the fact that our job my job and the boys job as instructors is to look at you and figure out how to make you comfortable speed you up slow

You down more practice strokes less practice strokes maybe ANUK is a great example anuka had to have a practice stroke and finally I got her where she’ take the practice strokes behind the ball looking down the line at the hole is she took how many of her practice

Strokes she wanted but when she walked into it it was a flowing motion she let the putter go and she well the two years prior to us working she’d won twice and the 18 months after worked she’d won 10 uh what’ she win she won like 18 times I mean she was

Unbelievable uh all because of a little setup change so you never know I mean you go go into all sorts of people Weiss scoff when he came out and played the Legends terma with me and Johnny Miller up in Minnesota and he first time he played and he was all excited and

Everything and he asked me what did I tell people when I explained putting and tried to teach I said well it’s all different Tom because we we tell we don’t have a set method and and I said by the way are you talking about other people are you talking about yourself

And it was comical look at me and he goes me and I said okay I’ve wanted to tell you this for 40 years when you put you put your second finger of your left hand down covering all your right hand because you want this left hand to go in

Reality that creates tension and you can’t there’s no way you’re going to go through you’re just going to stop your left hand finger down or not and so I just told told him I just overlap the one finger so I get feel there’s no tension and I had him putt first because

I didn’t want him to watch Johnny’s pract you know Johnny putts and his his stroke is not the world’s greatest one of the ball best ball Strikers I ever played with but not necessarily putting and Weiss cot puted first he made 11 birdies and he we finished the round he

Said he said why didn’t you tell me this 40 years ago and I said well why in the heck didn’t you help me with my golf swing years and we and we had a good laugh together because you know if somebody asked me something but I was going I

Want them to play the best they could play I didn’t care who they were but I you know and many times during a round when I shouldn’t have I should have been penalized i’ say we get through I want to help you with something well within a

Hole they’re going to say well now what are you going to tell me after the round and so here I am in the middle of competition telling somebody something that’s going to help him or hurt him but at least for the holes I watch him I’ll

Know by the end of the round whether it did help and so will he so uh it’s it’s been a neat journey I mean I’ve I’ve enjoyed the competition immensely I’m very competitive person obviously but uh The Knack and the way my dad taught me uh and I didn’t know that Alex Morrison

Was the one that taught him in the 30s until 27 years after dad died and Matt Rudy and I wrote The Putting book together in 2010 and when I read this book that was written in 19 19 40 it was still viable in 2010 the long game portion of it the

120 of 140 Pages wasn’t but the putting was still 95% because nobody’s figured it out yet they figured out the long game as you watch the guys play now but still you see the difficulty on the putting greens and it is a lot of what you said is it’s all this taking and

Taking time and trying uh Dave the time that you played and I know you mixed it up out there with Sam sne in your day it’s amazing to me to think that you played at a time when the legends from the 30s 40s and 50s were were were

Dwindling out in the form of of Sam sne I know there weren’t many but there’s some right up to playing with the likes of an against Jack Nicholas and and Tom Watson and the guys that you were calling Young Guns you know of the Lanny Watkins Etc it’s amazing to me the width

Of your career how much and who you played against and then those that you battled with in major championships amongst others well just you’re right I was at the perfect time uh I uh was highly uh you know I I I didn’t grow up expecting to be a pro golfer until I’d

Played three years at Southern Cal and eventually got my degree in general management and finance and go out on the tour I mean I saw a laar I didn’t even know he’s a PGA Champion I just I uh I I knew the brothers i’ heard of him and

Stuff but to be out there Byron Nelson gave me unbelievable advice sitting at the Masters one year when I I quizzed him on how he won 11 tournaments in a row what I didn’t know is I think he’ entered 20 23 tournaments that year and won 18 of them 1945 yeah

Uh by Ben Hogan when I won at his Colonial for my first win on tour didn’t say anything after I broke it I shot 6566 in the first two rounds and he walked right by me and didn’t say a thing and then after I shot 74 because I

Played with Garder Dickinson on Saturday and we were three holes entire behind the entire field we were on the 16th te and nobody else was still playing got a weather delay it was a joke and but he made an effort to walk up to me in the locker room afterward I heard somebody

Asking where my locker was and around the corner came Mr Hogan I stood up and shook hands with him and he’s in third place going to play with weisskoff who I’m tied with going in the last round and he uh he said Dave I know what

Happened today out there I know you had a little distraction with your playing partner he said but I want to let you know you can win this tournament and I want to wish you the best of luck and I was flabbergasting and you’re right I’ve had

I’ve had some run-ins with with Sneed he did some weird things with me at Riviera another one and it just uh but this is this is what I think that’s what the PGA is about that what is the Legacy that I played for was to get to meet these guys

When I played with Palmer the first time in 6066 at brancho Park in LA I’ve been on tour or two years and never met him because I didn’t make many cuts and he was playing the bigger tournaments and stuff um but that’s that’s the life that Cathy

And I look back on and we feel that we are following the Traditions you mentioned Jack Nicholas and I think he has the wife that has inspired more wives on tour than anybody else of Our Generation Barbara neckolas was the queen there was no question about it and

When you’d go to a past champions dinner the PGA and we’d have a joint cocktail party and the ladies go in one room and the the Champions would go in another and we get together Barbara there wasn’t a wife in that room that didn’t listen to exactly what Barbara Nicholas said and her

Thoughts because again there Dynamic team and uh she is no minor part in that team in Jack’s success there’s no question about it when you were captain of the 1991 United States Ryder Cup team and your famous victory at kiaa Island do you think that that Ridder cup

Changed the course of every Rider cup that has followed was that the beginning of something new uh maybe it’s the first time it played out because we don’t we had had the cup back in six years and four years prior to that when Nicholas got beat on his own golf course in

Mirfield due to his own fault I mean he was the one that pursued this thing of okay we Great Britain and Ireland we’re kind of getting them every time and when I played in 71 and 77 it was basically a foregone conclusion uh under J Baron and

St Louis and then with under D finsterwald and live them in St ANS in 77 uh and all of a sudden Jack has this vision and Jacqueline played a part in it I’m sure uh we’ll play Europe we’ll play you know Great Britain and Ireland and Europe put them all together and all

Of a sudden it was it was an even Steven and it should have been if we play here we should be favored and you play over there and you’ve seen it in the last two you saw us win at Whistling Straits under Steve trickers leadership and then

We go over there and play in in Rome uh phenomenal venue great job but it was almost no matter what Zach Johnson did the Europeans were destined to win and I would not be betting on the Europeans to succeed at at when we come back to Beth

Page black here in two years so it it’s it’s been a yes yes Kia was important because uh Jack loses and then Raymond TI did had a hell of a job but L it tied two years prior to we had seen the cup in six years and yeah we got it back

Back and it was very close obviously it would not have been close if we hadn’t had the limo wreck and I would have been able to play Steve Pate the whole time but you never know I mean it’s amazing how tight these things are and uh I

Think it changed it I I think one of the ones that really affected it and you know I’ve been a part of four Ridder cups two I played one that I captain the other that aing are honored Me by picking me as an assistant captain at

Valhalla in 2008 which I still think is probably the best captaining job that I have ever seen because he he changed the number of people that you could pick to be on your team the number of uh help you could get on the course he had have

Three help and he had this pod system of separating him into three or fourman pods and it totally exposed falo at that time in 2008 so it’s progressed uh I’m very I was very proud to well when I you know when I first got the captain see I

Thought I was going to be doing a PGA West in California M only to find out because of financial reasons and they were going to televis this going to be the first wall to–all television of of a Ridder Cup in America and uh they had

To have it on the East Coast you’d have the time zone in Europe be be able to be you know watching this uh unfold so we go to a course that nobody had seen and uh it was an unbelievable venue and uh Kathy and I were just honored to be

Picked picked to do it uh it’s it’s the highlight of my career I mean they raised the flag and you play for it and I’m very proud of the fact that I’ve participated in four Ridder cups and I’ve never been on a losing team unfortunately they’re not many Americans

That could say that now when Lany was on with us recently he alluded to a mentality a kind of good old boys network where uh players wanted to be with their friends in the locker room in instead of perhaps maybe getting picking having a mechanism where the best

Players hottest players at the moment are playing on the team regardless of whether you go out to dinner with them or not do you think that that might be an accurate depiction of making an a United States team regardless of which side of the pond they’re playing on

Stronger I I would hope so there was a there was a quartet of guys myself included that every time we saw each other we talked about the Ryder Cup and what we would do if and when we were captain and that happened to be Payne Stewart Lanny Watkins myself and Paul

Ainger and a lot of great things came out of the discussions we had and I profiled my team I can’t speak for the other players I I I know Cory paven who followed me uh basically came up and uh you know coming up when he was accepted

To be the writer Cup captain later on in the 2000s he he said to me well I’m just going to make a few changes I said oh I know what it was it was right after raising her because I said Corey don’t do anything to you talk to Paul because

Paul got this completely correct and Paul did his to Ron Brun uh I used Deborah Graham but I profiled every player so I knew and as Paul said to me he said I can’t talk to Phil Mickelson the way I talked to Anthony Kim uh I

Mean you you’ve got to you got to make your message fit the person and that’s what in personalities guys want to play with their friends but that’s not necessarily the best way because it it you lead we we’ve seen some where you put two superstars together and they

Just don’t mesh and it’s just it’s it’s a funny way to do it but I I spent a year and a half profiling by players and having a good feel and grasp of who is going to play the best and some of them didn’t expect to play where I put them

But every one of them perform really well Dave 86 men have two or more major championships only 86 every opportunity that I have when I talk about the World Golf Hall of Fame my message is always the same put in Dave Stockton a multiple time major Champion a rider successful Rider Cup

Captain what you have given back to the game on the putting side alone is immeasurable how does it impact you when you think about your career and your life and the fact that you’re not in the Golf Hall and I’m bringing it up because you brought it up earlier in this show

Are there any thoughts uh relative to that now well there there’s hurt involved uh because I I think I have accomplished enough just barely and you know right on the screen there you list 10 PGA wins I actually had 11 at least for 15 years after the second tournament I ever won

The same year in ‘ 67 as Colonial I won with Lori Hammer my good friend from University of Florida and we won at lacasta travina was in the field it was an alternate shot event and for 15 years the tour counted it and then all of a

Sudden they don’t count it but now they play an alternate shot event in New Orleans and they’re counting it as official again so I’m I’m confused by that but I’m on the minimum when you only have that many wins uh the majors yes I have enough major wins and stuff

And I’ve done other things and I I but I I would have been much safer if I’d have won 18 or 20 but then I would have given up a lot of the corporate outing and intermixing with people that I knew I was growing the game by doing uh I mean

I still played a full schedule geez the first year on this Champions Tour I played I think 30 I don’t know exactly but I’m gonna say it was between 32 and 35 events and you alluded to the fact most of those were top five because it’s a smaller

Field and I got the field back my game back uh but I don’t know it it’s it’s to me it’s like I never could figure out why Lanny uh why Larry Nelson was not a Ridder Cup captain I mean under no circumstances somebody blackballed him

And I I feel really bad because he and Gail deserve to have the advantage to lead the American team to Victory I he’s the most successful Rider cup player I’ve ever seen three Majors to his credit two of the PGA and the PGA is the one that picked in that time who the

Captains were so yeah there there’s some regrets I mean I think the other people my my family and stuff it means more to them it’s not going to mean as much when I’m gone and if I’m not in but uh there’s nothing you can do about it I

Mean I’m I’m happy with what I’ve done I’ve and uh I’m glad that I can still at 82 be active because I feel like I’m active I don’t feel 82 and we just keep going on yeah it’s incredible the the amount of energy that you have uh being

That this is the week of the Arnold Palmer Invitational to wrap up here today I wonder if because you played against him throughout the heart and your Prime of your of your prowess why is Arnold Palmer so important to the game of golf because he endorsed the people he embraced the people

Uh uh it goes through all of our lines Minds the one major okay I’m gonna be the next Arnold Palmer or I’ll be the next Jack Nicholas or something well in Arnold’s case Arnold’s the one you wanted to be and then all of a sudden you’d watch him and how he interacted

With the fans and he can give all this time and I see a lot of that in the younger guys some of the younger guys get it for sure but there’s so many that’re very stoic and they don’t it’s like it’s an office to them and it is

Our office I mean that’s where we do our work but you got you got to enjoy it as you go and there’s nothing Arnold didn’t enjoy some of the greatest pictures in fact the outing that we just completed in Indian Wells we went to the Arnold Palmer Restaurant linaa and we sat in

The Palmer room all his memorabilia I I had I had to smile inwardly because he has four four trophies along the back wall of this he’s got the British Open he’s got the US Open he’s got the Masters and he’s got the United States amateur what he’s missing is what I have

Two of and that was the PGA trophy especially the one that I when I beat him the first time at Southern Hills and Tulsa in 70 and Kathy’s 8 months pregnant with Ronnie and uh she never left the clubhouse and and I’m out there trying to compete against him with not

One person in that Gallery rooting for me I don’t think because if Arnold wins he wins the Grand Slam and it’s a little bit like Rory coming into Augusta needing the Grand Slam he’s got to win The Masters Arnold needed to win the PGA and he came close in 68 when Boris beat

Him and then I was lucky enough to stay ahead of him at his Southern Hills but the feeling you get from him he was so kind to everybody he wasn’t when you played with him he was tough I tell you one thing Matt when you played with him

You sure as hell didn’t mark your golf ball because Arnold if he put it out those people were gone and and you got all this confusion trying to make your two or three footer or four-f footer whatever you had left I always put it

Out you know it was it it was just that what you learn when you play with some of these guys you got to learn what they do so you can handle the pressure that surrounds them amazing if you could go back in time with everything that’s

Going on in the game right now if you could go back in time would you want to be playing golf right now Dave Stockton or would you trade it or would you keep the time period in which you competed oh my God no I would I would I would not

Change anything and even some of the guys that preceded us they didn’t play for any money I mean I’m watching now if on some of these elevated events the guy that finishes third is going to make more money because I made a million seven in in 27 years of playing on tour

Including 74 when I won three times uh La Quad Cities and the Sammy Davis Hartford and finished six on the money list and I had $160,000 so wow when you’re looking down the rankings and who you think was good and who you think was bad I look at a

Couple of different things that that is important to me is the fact that I got to play at a great time I won some courses the list alone to me is so impressive to have won at Riviera and colon and Firestone and Congressional canterberry Cherry Hills I

Mean I’ve played well at a lot of these great great golf courses short long and then in between so yeah I I I have no regrets on that and I know I played in the right time this live has thrown a monkey wrench into this whole thing and

And now we discover who’s going to play for money why are they playing I mean I don’t know how you need that much money but I would rather hold a PGA Trophy and a master’s trophy tropy or a Tron trophy from Colonial then play a 3-day proam

And think I want to get world ranking points playing against the select field and so I’m sitting here watching the tour now and I watch I I’m hoping he’s a relative this Jake nap because my middle my mother’s maiden name was nap and that’s my middle name and I have no idea

If I’m related to this guy but he’s got a first now and a a great finish there at Bay Hill this last week or not Bay Hill at West Palm and I I’m excited as heck the amateur the one out here at Palm Springs in the

American Express uh it’s I think it’s in a it’s I think the golf is in a great spot with the exception of Greg Norman having this desire for a world tour based on how much money we pay you and not where the titles are I mean I don’t

I don’t get it but and if it’s hurt go there’s no question about it and the sad part about it it has really hurt the the the function of this JC tournaments let’s say like Greensboro or Heartford or the John Deere all of them are important but they’re they’re get like

Getting priced out of the market because it costs a fortune to to become a sponsor of these of these events and I just don’t like it I mean I really don’t like it because I I I I that’s why I admire Palmer and Nicholas so much

Because they stood up when I was a rabbit in the 608 and N there when we’re going away from the PGA of America and starting the PGA Tour they could have gone they had the big three you add Gary Player and it should have been the big

Four adding Billy Casper they could have gone on their own and the tour could have ended and until Palmer passed there’s no way Norman had footprint to get this live started but now we have a bunch of guys that are working for Saudi Arabia and I don’t get it I think think our

Charities in America are worth a whole lot more than selling out the way some of these guys have done I don’t blame them they made a ton of money but you’re not playing for history now Dave Stockton always absolutely full of probing insights and experiences through a absolutely remarkable career my friend

It’s great to catch up with you I’m glad that you are well and the family as well and that you’re full of energy doesn’t surprise me in that latter point but thank you nonetheless for for all of the time that you’ve given us today it’s always pleasure it’s great man I I don’t

Want to leave without mentioning one thing I think you know I’ve had a lot of highlights in my life but one of the best ones ever was spending the time in the tower with you at Congressional uh when I just been only working with Rory five months and he had

Blown the Masters came into Congressional and uh had the putting figured out and I’m sitting in that Tower with you watching these you know the we were watching the 10th green and we were watching 18 and talking about various things and watching Rory only win by8 and enjoying your Insight which

Is I I love working with a guy like you or Dave Mar III I mean because the answers you have you you got a historical knowledge of our game and I know where you come from and uh I do I treasure our time you can call me

Anytime you have questions and I I appreciate taking the time to talk to me this morning uh it was an honor thank you very much Dave that that week I remember very very distinctly we were we worked together a lot but that particular week to be at Congressional

Where this man won a major championship and to be looking down on young Rory mroy uh one of his star pupils and to have Dave we were we were broadcasting the coverage uh on ESPN at that point and to have him explain to me what Rory

Is doing and watch how it manifests in the way that he was moving it was it was stunning it is stunning uh and and such an honor to always catch up with Mr Stockton thank you very much uh for everything Dave you have done when we

Come back folks we’re going to go down this road of another Legend in Arnold Palmer and we’re going to feature an interview that we did with Mr Palmer that while we didn’t know it at the time in retrospect it was done not long before he passed and we think it was the

Last long form interview that he ever conducted and the insights that he provides during this time I like to say when Giants roam a golden age of the game is absolutely stunning too