In this interview with @peterwindsor we talk about what makes Lewis Hamilton special among F1 champions and his job is more difficult than Verstappen or LeClerc’s, why George Russell makes Peter nervous, , why Haas were right to let go off Guenther Steiner, why becoming Haas Team Principal is a big opportunity for Ayao Komatsu, what makes a great wet weather driver and what’s missing in F1 in 2024? What makes Christian Horner such a good manager? And what traits does he share with Frank Williams and Eddie Jordan?
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Given that he’s won seven World Championships and that he’s in a difficult car and has been in a difficult car for two years I think his motivation is incredible think of the number of drivers that have won their Championship just given up and and they’ve never been the same since uh but
Not with Lewis Hamilton I think if I was kamatsu I’d be relishing this opportunity because there’s nothing nicer or more uh elegant than being with an underfinanced team with two good drivers a very good setup in other words delara building a car that in theory your very good Engineers
Have designed and going racing without all the complication and rubbish that comes from having too many people in too many meetings and uh and too much bureaucracy it’s choosing and knowing having a feel for people that results in having a very very good team that’s what Christian Herer does really well I mean
He he there’s no way in the world I can tell you now Adrian Nei is an easy guy to work with absolutely no way but Christian makes it look very seamless and very oh well yeah of course Adrian’s at Red Bull everybody’s going well is he
Of course he’s doing a great car it requires a lot of work and a lot of feel for people to get the best from them the reason if you like I’m negative about George is not because I don’t rate him and it’s not because I don’t like him or
Don’t think he’s a fabulous racing driver the reason I’m nervous about him is because he is all three he’s incredibly quick and he’s an incredibly intelligent good racing driver and that’s cramping Lewis’s style you don’t need somebody that good in the other car if you want Lewis to be your your world
Champion that is why Red Bull don’t have George Russell in the second car alongside Max foren can Lewis wrestle the B drivers Championship from Max for stappen in 24 hello and welcome to the first the F1 Hour episode of 2024 with me friend of the channel goat broadcaster World Championship winning
Team manager my friend your friend Mr Peter D wisor how are you doing sir Cameron I’m brilliant thanks yeah at home in in Spain lovely day reading all the news about the rain and the cold everywhere else in the world not feeling too smug about it but nonetheless very very nice
Cheers for that mate it’s not it’s uh I wish I could say the same over here in London but I can’t sadly I’d be lying it’s freezing and snowing not fantastic at all mate but hey I digress I digress how was your festive period well it was great it was great I
Mean it is great in that Spain gives you a festive period where you can be outside and do lots of things and we were doing that down to the beach up to the mountains bit of golf bit of this bit of that and never stopped really it
Was wonderful however having said all of that um I do yearn for the old days of Ming news in black and white pictures that is and Boxing Day Brand’s hatch always used to be well the I never was never went there but I did actually but
I first came over in 72 but I’m do about the 60s now when I was reading it as a kid and it just had this sort of thing about it you know Christmas Day and then Boxing Day 15,000 people at Brans hatch to watch Formula 3 and saloons and Ford
And I thought I just being a kid in Australia reading about Boxing Day Brands I used to think wow what an amazing thing that in the cold it must have been so cool cool literally and um so I missed that you know that’s not that seems to be so far away from
Reality now and I think it is in England as well and you know it doesn’t exist anymore obviously you’d never get people to go down to BR 15,000 people to go to Bratch to watch a Formula 3 race would you on a boxing day but they did and and
It had a certain Allure to it and and quite often teams like companies car companies like Lotus or Chevron or Marcos or all these great companies would release a new car gmany uh and it would have it sort of Debut at boxing day Brands a new Formula 3 Lotus would
Appear John miles or whatever and you know it was a big thing that doesn’t happen anymore so that’s gone gone everything’s gone before we get into up to- dat news around Gunther and and all of that good stuff what what is it that you miss when you reflect on
On Years Gone by of Motorsports even just then like I can see the twinkle in your eye right when you talk about this sort of stuff what is it quintessentially that you miss about what what did Motorsport have back in the day that it doesn’t so much
Anymore well the first thing to say is that I don’t want to be a grumpy old man saying it always used to be much better in in the old days so that that isn’t the case I love everything we have today and I like looking forward to the future
As well and the way the sports progress particularly in terms of safety having said that there is a certain indefinable something which I can’t Define uh and it’s intangible it’s and I’m sure everybody has that whether they just love motor racing and there was a spark at some moment in their childhood that
Created that love or whether it’s something that’s happened perhaps in their adulthood in my case it was definitely when I was a kid and and I was talking about you know Boxing Day Brands it was not being there but reading about it from afar and seeing
This picture with the caption of as I say John miles in the new Lotus 41x Formula 3 car and it seemed incredibly important and I think it was in its time and it just seemed like wow that’s the center of the world that’s the center of
My world that new Formula 3 Lotus has just come out and I don’t get that same feeling anymore partly because most of the categories of racing are all one make they’re all doas or whatever they are and partly because in Formula 1 so much emphasis now on all these launches
That we see are all Livery launches and you know the new sponsor and this and that and very little about the cars and anyway most of the cars look the same anyway but that’s not the real point I know what you’re getting at and I can’t
Describe it in any way other than little detail memories and scenarios in my mind that Lit a spark yet another spark in my soul if you like and and um you know it might have been War Farm in Sydney Australia in the sunshine the smell of
Grass the smell of high octane fuel and brake fluid and the noise of engines being warmed up in the paddock area before the cars were pushed into the marshalling enclosure or it might have been reading about Dan gurny winning the Belgian Grand Prix in 67 in the eagle unfolding
A copy of Motoring news that had arrived by ship to my address in Sydney and and slitting the little wrapper and then and being amazed yet again that it made it all that way because it was a tiny Brown rapper around a folded copy of mojing
News so either end of the rapper you could see what it was it was a it was a motor racing newspaper and yet nobody stole it and they always made in the end sometimes three in one go and I’d slipped the wrapper and open it up and I
Can remember the smell of muring news as I opened it up and then looking at the headline and it would be whatever it was you know Eagle wins at spa and I wouldn’t have known who’ won that race even though it was three months after
The race and I was just captivated by it and because I think in my case it was seeing these things from afar and then reading about them every word and sometimes I’d sit down and re write the report that Mike Dudson or Mike twight or Andrew Marriot had written word for
Word just copying what because I wanted to see what it felt like to use those words in the order in which they were using them and actually to start writing about eagles and lotuses and Ferraris and and I put a book together with all the chassis numbers of every car and
Every team trying to get all the information I could from all the magazines mainly motorport Dennis jenkinson and and following the progress of that chassis from race to race and logging everything and I just got so much pleasure doing that so it was that I don’t know the smell of magazines and
Books smells a lot to do with it in my case you know the fuel the fried eggs and bacon early in the morning people camping by the track and the smell of of again this you know castol r as a Lotus 23 is being warmed up
Nearby and again you know I actually it is quite difficult I think to recreate those things today you can camp at Silverstone for sure sure but you’re not going to be near a load as 23b and Castrol R and you’re not going to have that business of all the cars warming
Their engines up and being able to stand by the car and watch them being pushed into a marshing area that doesn’t happen anymore really little bit of the old silver Formula Ford Festival I guess um and then just when I first came to England 71 the first place I made a
Beine for was the offices of Motoring news I had no idea where Bon Hill Street ec2 was I know now it’s in a sort of grimy part of the city but it didn’t seem like that to me it was just like this magic Disneyland of everything that
I’d ever wanted to see in my life and there’s the office where motoring news is printed and made and and produced and I just went up there Uninvited and knocked on the door I just wanted to see it that’s all I wanted to do see it and and yeah magazines don’t really exist
Today do I know they do kind of but people don’t really read them do they everything’s online and I think I think that online development has possibly made us a lot more uh remote from the from the things that really matter you can’t touch and feel the
Sport in the way you could with a magazine in my view even though the video is much more you can see a lot more very quickly I’m not sure think that’s a good thing or not I don’t think it is because it meant just as much to
Me if I was reading about it three months later just as much I don’t know I could go on for hours of all I’m sure all of us could not just me um about all the things that really captured our imagination and that touched us and they’re just some of the things that
Touch me I could listen to you talk about that stuff for hours you know mate I’ll be honest you and I think similarly not to sound like the old man down the pub talking about back in my day it was better but I find myself in the offseason I haven’t watched anything
Recent like I’ve been going back to like ’90s and 94 88 89 with obviously Center and Prost like I don’t feel maybe this is just my age speaking Peter I don’t feel the urge to go and watch I don’t know I I don’t know I’m not watching the
Recent stuff uh time is a finite resource right and you you go to what you enjoy most so it’s interesting that but anyway Let’s uh let’s fast forward to 2024 shall we and that’s uh I wanted to get your take on Gunther Steiner um contract being allowed to cease by
Har is that the right decision well I mean first thing is that I did a live stream a couple of days ago and and a few of the viewers said oh maybe he’s going to andreti and you know this is a big thing in which case that
Explains why he’s leaving uh and then and then there were some other thoughts that Jean had wanted to uh there’s a finite budget and Gunter wanted more money into the team and it’s not there and sort of enough is enough but the what we do know I think
Is a quote from Gan where he said you know we don’t have the reliability or the performance that we need or we want and it was the end of gun’s contract and so I’m making a change and I I applaud him for that because he’s doing it for
The right reasons he’s doing it because he wants to do well in Formula One and I know there’s been quite a lot of uh backlash about the absence of Gunter in the Netflix show because of the role he played there but I I think that because Gina has done made this decision despite
That I I really applaud him for it because obviously performance of the team is much more important than what goes on on Netflix and the reality is of course that if the team does improve its performance the sponsors involved with h are going to have much more exposure
Than they would ever have got on Netflix anyway so um none of that Netflix stuff stuff is important I think in this decision-making process and so and that’s why I think Jean has done a good job there because he’s managed to put that to one side and just focus on what
He thinks is the next step forward for the team now whether he’s correct in that obviously even he doesn’t know because every team is to some extent plunging in the dark whenever they make a major change in Personnel or whatever it is engine supplier and and so forth
In my view I known G for quite a long time I didn’t know him very well in the Jaguar days I knew him reasonably well but I got to know him quite well when I was in America for a few years in the mid90s when when um sorry in the what I
Was saying mid 90s in the 20 about around 200920 I guess and I was in America then and he had a I think he still has it a very good carbon composite company facility in Charlotte North Charlotte and where all the infrastructure for Motorsport is really in the United
States now and we used to meet quite regularly at the summit coffee shop in Charlotte and and that’s where we met Petro fidal interestingly enough and um great coffee shop because it’s attached to it’s very near a big university so there a lot of funky student stuff going
On there and you know great coffee as well Summit and um and we chattered the lot and I I remember you know I was very impressed with his intelligence and his ability to um think through the the construction process of a Grand Prix car and how to
Put that all together and it was no surprise that he did a very good job I think in the H days the early H days I’ve always been completely astonished that H have been allowed to use delara to build their cars for so long bearing in mind Formula 1 makes it very clear
That the DNA of the sport is that in order even to enter the world championship you have to design and build your own car now they would argue well we own the IP so therefore um we do do our own car we just get delara to do
It like an outside supplier but to me because it’s delara and they do build racing cars for many other categories and customers I think they should be obliged now to do their own car it’s just a point but I’m not sure that has any bearing on what gun was doing I’ve
Never in my mind thought of gun as a guy who would be particularly good at managing drivers and getting the best from drivers because I think he’s quite dictator and quite um helmet marish if that’s the right word uh in the way he runs drivers
And and I think we saw that with with Mick schumacker I don’t think he got the best from Mick and I think Mick’s driving probably suffered he probably made more mistakes Under Pressure than he should have and I don’t think he’s got the best from Kevin Magnuson
Particularly who I think is much better than we even today we see sometimes how quick he is but I think he’s even better than that and Kevin in my opinion his problem at the moment is just inconsistency and he does make the odd mistake and and that is only going to
He’s only going to improve in my view if you focus on the good things about his driving you give him much more confidence and you make him work hard on the on the details that aren’t quite right you know whether that’s more days with Rob Wilson and I know he did quite
A lot with Rob in his early days and I remember Rob saying and there were people like stofle van dor in this and a couple of others um and it’s a sort of runoff in the Prem McLaren days I remember robing magnus’s Head and Shoulders you know he’s much better he’s
Seriously good and I remember actually oddly having a conversation with France TOS in um at spa before Kevin’s first year at McLaren and I said something like who do you think is the you know the next best guy that’s coming up France and France said oh without doubt
Magnuson we can’t get him of course because you know he a’t isn’t with us but even with Red Bull but he’s he’s by far the most talented guy out there and we saw that as he came into Formula 1 he was brilliant and then things got away
And and um I think he became I don’t think he had enough discipline to be honest and I think he’s quite a fractur sort of person driver and I I just get the feeling that if the way to run Kevin is not to tell him what to do the way to
To work with Kevin is to be very malleable and look at all these good qualities magnify them but finesse some of the the sharp edges that have developed and I’m not sure was doing that and I say all that because I think a lot of hass’s problems have been
Drivers and not necessarily the performance of the car and they’ve got two excellent drivers I just don’t think they got the best from them and I and I like to think that the new that kamatsu perhaps will be able to get more from Kevin because he’ be softer style
Possibly more from Nico as well because we just calm our atmosphere where everybody can just get on and do what they do well and if that’s the case you know if those two guys can actually fulfill their real potential I think I really think H can do a very very good
Job but and I think it’s mainly drivers I really do and maybe that’s what jean H is thinking I don’t know but you know that’s the way I see it I kamatsu the the team principal incumbent seems to agree with you Peter I I initially
Reacted I I had a bit of um I was empathetic towards G Steiner’s play Only In that like like you talked about origin that he was F1 is a very different entity in 2024 right and the likes of I don’t know an Eddie Jordan type principal team principal which I
Think giner was a kind of a Dying Breed and so I I I’m drawn as many F1 fans are today to personalities people who speak their mind and I think Gunther was one of those types plus I think h ‘s gther a small debt of gratitude only in
The sense that he was the guy to go out and get the sponsorship deals the money gr deal the Ural cive via massip in and so preco don’t you think Peter that Gunther deserves some credit for kind of hunkering down and almost just getting
Car over line at a time that all of the teams on the on the grid were absolutely as I said I as I said when I got to know him reasonably well in the summit coffee days I was very impressed with his overall picture of putting a formula one
Package together including as you say the commercial side of it and yeah he deserves a lot of credit for that and and I it’s you know managing drivers it’s not necessarily the team principle has an effect it’s not necessarily the senior race engineer it’s not necessarily the junior race engineer it
It’s different from Team to team but there’s no doubt that in Hass from what I could see most of the influence on the way the driver was performing and thinking came from from gun not from the engineering site and and that’s just the way he had the team structured so in
Every other way I think yeah I think you’re right he he did a really really good job I’m not sure that um he did the same job managing Nico and and Kevin and or or the other drivers either and and I think that’s the point because I think
Drivers I mean what is the point of having those two guys who are for their experience and their ability to get the best from a car and bring at home if they’re hitting the wall in two consecutive days you know it’s not good don’t need that and you say oh well it
Didn’t happen that often well how many times did we see um max mappen hitting the wall this year you know that’s the bottom line and if you if you if you do have young guys in there then you expect we didn’t actually see Yuki Coda hitting the wall that much in important moments
Did we you know he brought the car home pretty well so um and then of course there’s the whole tire management thing and that’s that again is to do with driving style and how you use the tires in the car as much as it is due to the
Engineering and the and the balance you got in the car all of that is related to the way the drivers are the input of the drivers and what the driver wants from the car and you know maybe Kevin was saying I want more front Wing I got too
Much unders Seer whatever was there anybody there saying yeah but you have the ability to drive with this under steer go away and think about it because you can do it I don’t know I don’t know I’m only making this up obviously but to me that’s what it smells like to me that
They’re not getting enough out of the whole Kevin magnuson’s ability to do a lot with a racing car that isn’t 100% and no race car is 100% let’s face it yeah and I and I’m not sure I think it was more with Gunter it would have been yeah go you know do it
Now oh hit the wall that was it that was the impression I got you you could feel the pressure vicariously especially around Mick Schumaker when he was going through his hard times he was he didn’t seemed like he was being loved and nurtured by gun I’d agree with you on
That yeah and I think that’s what he needed I’m not sure Kevin I don’t s the pressure upsets Kevin it’s more is he using everything that he can do has he got a bit lazy because you know that’s all he’s required to do get in the car and drive
It quickly um and that’s not getting the best him you know that’s you want more from Kevin Magnuson than just that and and he has the ability to do that I really believe that and I think he’s one of the great um underrated talents still
In Formula One wow yeah he’s not a bad Nico is to some extent you know it’s a great team you know Magnus and hulkenberg is a seriously good racing team very very good pairing of drivers but we haven’t really seen it in its true blossoming at all and I you know I
Can only think that is to do with management bottom line you know you know where I’m going with this because the bottom line is how many times then did gun say to Kevin well you were doing really well when you working with Rob and maybe now you developed a few bad
Habits we booked seven days with Rob Wilson with you during the summer break did that happen you know that’s that’s what I would be doing if I was in that position wow and and I don’t mean that in an arrogant way I don’t mean that in a
Demeaning way for Kevin Magnuson I mean every racing driver needs to be reminded of a few things every Sportsman does you know why do you think golfers and footballers are constantly working on their ability because they always INE inevitably develop a few habits that shouldn’t be there and you need that
Jolt to get you back into the fundamentals and I think I think Bas has gone the same way you know he was a much better driver when he was at Mercedes or perhaps even at Williams to be honest and um more consistent anyway and and I think Kevin could really benefit from that
Sort of understanding I think and I think you know I’m going on a bit but I think there’s another tendency in Formula One these days where you just you character I think I’m talking about people on the pit wall now they categorize drivers the great drivers oh well you
Know it’s Max Max V stappen so you know what can you say and then there’s the sort of Carlos science who’s very polished and cool and yeah he’s a very fast Formula One driver and good BL to have around and then there’s the other drivers who are a bit inconsistent but
They’re super quick and you just sort of say oh we got we’ve got driver C we match with driver b or driver a with C they never think well how do we make a how do we make a category C driver into a category a driver what work is
Required in order to make that happen they they just assume that’s the way the driver is and it’s going to stay that way forever more and we have to build a better car and that’s not right that’s absolutely not right there the drivers and the way the drivers perform and what
You get out of a driver is just as important as everything they’re doing in the wind tunnel on cfd just as important and yet they all do very little work in that area they you know summer break they let the drivers go off to the beach
Or do whatever they do as long as they keep going to the gym and eat well you know and you I can be I can see it now yioda what did you do over the over the the year Christmas break Yi oh it was
Great to go home to Japan for a few days and I relaxed and then I went back to the gym and working hard to prepare for the new season yeah yeah but you know what did you work on with your driving well you know I went to the Sim and did
That yeah but what did you work on with your driving oh well you know we’ll wait and see when we get to the test nothing in other words and that’s not criticizing Yuki I think he’s actually done a really good job race wise recently but you get my point you know
They don’t actually work on their driving and the problem with Kevin and Nico at the moment introspection and and continuous development isn’t something that we have in abundance in high not just F1 Peter I don’t think just High Level Sports generally right cuz too many of these Superstars are surrounded
By yes man I think yeah it’s it’s crazy but that’s the bo that we live in lastly on this ha’s situation do you think I I I argued the other day with um my guys Shar and back still on the Shakedown that um ayamatsu might have found himself in possession of a poison
Chalice in that if Jean as the owner is kind of looking to just um minimal investment put his business cap on minimal investment maximize your bottom line um by looking after the cost and and working as a very efficient organization across three different sites in Canapolis and bambury and
Marinello surely Peter then if F1 is a zero some game and you’ve got the lights of Aston Martin with launch stroll investing 250 million in a factory to keep up with the Joneses doesn’t Jee har need to Pummel similar amounts of of of pound value as far as that his capital
Expenditure unless he has no aspirations to keep up with the liks of Aston and and McLaren it was interesting talking to and I am responding to this it was interesting talking to upar recently about the budget cap and he and he made the point that there are still many
Teams out there operating under the budget cap limit and we’ve got to assume H is one of those but I don’t know maybe I’m old school I think if I was kamatsu I’d be relishing this opportunity because there’s nothing nicer or more uh elegant than being with an underfinanced team
With two good drivers a very good setup in other words delara building a car that in theory your very good Engineers have designed and going racing without all the complication and rubbish that comes from having too many people in too many meetings and uh and too much
Bureaucracy and I think it’s a it’s a great little team and they and that’s what I love that about teams like H and I think they have a big advantage in a way in being like that and there’s no obviously at the top when you when you’re very successful success Builds on
Success and missing Mercedes um and uh and it’s the new regulations but generally speaking big is not necessarily better in Formula 1 and having enormous facilities and enormous amounts of money isn’t necessarily better you need above all very good drivers used to say good engines good tires but that’s a given
Now anyway and then you need a very good chassis obviously and now H have a bit of Ferrari sort of knowhow they have a bit of delara knowhow and they have their own knowhow I would have thought between those three properly managed and put together with some good people they
Could put together a pretty good car I would have thought why why is that cost a massive amount of money to do that um I’m a bit surprised I have to say over the years that H haven’t managed to have big corporate American sponsors on that
Car bearing in mind they’re the only us Formula 1 team you would imagine it would be there be two or three really big American players there particularly given Jean’s you know NASCAR footprint and how wellknown he is so yeah that’s a little bit of a conundrum but maybe that
Will change now I don’t know you know maybe maybe it will it will improve or maybe not but I to me kamatsu has got a really good opportunity now to do an interesting job could um andreti come into this narrative this story arc at some point in the next 12
To 24 months do you think Pete I think andred will get an entry in the end I just don’t see how the way the world is changing and formula one is changing that the teams can continue to resist the andreti name the Cadillac engine badging name the new regulations being a
Very good moment for new teams to come in anyway I don’t see how they can continue to resist I mean the argument not the argument the reality of course is that the teams are sailing their own ship Formula 1 despite what Impressions may give is a private club and if you
Want to be a member of that club you’ve got to buy your membership and that can either be buying an existing membership a debenture if you like taking over the franchise of an existing team buying H or t Roso alatar or you do your own team from scratch and that’s obviously what
Andred would like to do why does he need to buy the infrastructure of another team perhaps the debts of another team he wants to do things his way fair enough I totally get that at the moment I suspect the impass is that in order to
Do that he’s got to make sure that none of the teams currently in Formula 1 suffer any Financial penalty as a result of andreti coming in and taking making all the slices of the cake smaller and if you that penalty is probably too big an ask it’s probably bigger than the
Money you would need to build the car in the first place so but having said all of that as I say I think Formula One is changing and I think there will be ways of eventually maybe Liberty will just have to sort of pay off some of the
Teams and just them to allow andred to come in and be part of the Concord agreement and get in and I really hope they do um partly because I think it’d be great for Mario I think it’ be a great way you know in Mario’s the Autumn
Of Mario’s life to uh to enjoy his racing again and be a part of that I’m not sure how much Michael will um will listen to Mario it doesn’t doesn’t seem to BU much these days anyway with indie car but um yeah the andred name it’s it’s I think we undervalue the andred
Name anyway in in Motor Racing in general when I think about the icon that Mario andreti is and I don’t use that word icon lightly I think he is an icon I don’t think there’s any better way a hero maybe uh of of Formula 1 of sports
Cars of Indie Car of sprint cars of midgets of NASCAR of lar you know whatever you want to talk about Mario is the guy and and he’s with us and he’s brilliant and I’m amazed still that the US Grand Prix one of the US Grand Prix
Don’t use marriage Mo as a you know massive figurehead that should be there as a sort of honor of guest of you know the honorable Clark of the course or whatever um a little bit done with him but not not enough and he’s a real hero
And have that andred name in Formula 1 W can’t wait hopefully it happens sooner rather than later Peter but again I don’t want to underestimate the insulin nature and and the selfish nature and self- servient nature of the F1 teams on the grid currently right they’re uh
Ultimately this is a business and and you’ve almost got to incentivize the current guys on the grid to take a smaller slice of the pie that they’ve been so instrumental in building up over the last five years right I I get it selfish but I understand it I
Think yeah and and you know you’ve got to put yourself in the life of a Zack Brown or a Christian her or even certainly you know the Midfield teams and and know that you got to pay these salary bills at the end of every month uh the cost of
Building the car the testing they all have to be paid and yes they’ve all got reasonable income but none of it is run the way a normal companies run you know why is that payment three days late you know does the team principal sleep for those three days before the the next
Check arrives you know that’s what life is like in Formula 1 and I don’t know many for for one people that actually think more than about 3 months in advance because that’s all they’re thinking about is just how to keep the the whole thing going because there’s no
Profit or loss in Formula 1 you everybody just wants to go motor racing and spend as much money as they can possibly get to do a very good job doing that and and so it’s a difficult it’s a very difficult business very difficult business and that’s why we have so many
Races because one of the failsafe guarantees of income is to go racing because by definition the races going to be on the calendar unless they pay the minimum amount the country pays the minimum amount to Formula 1 for staging that race and the teams know they’re
Going to get that money that’s not as I suppose you know the television contract is just about as cast iron slightly less less less sure I guess because you know you only need the odd drop in viewing figures for everything to start going sideways and you’re worrying about the
Next renewal and how much that’s going to bring into the sport and viewing figures and everything else and then you’ve got sponsorship in general which you know is very difficult at the moment very difficult in all sports and it’s interesting now in PGA golf against the Liv um Breakaway series
All financed by the Saudis and the PGA the old traditional golf uh golf series is starting to lose sponsors because they’re having to ask for more money in order to try to get more money coming into the PGA to be able to fight against the live thing and and you can bet that
The additional money they’re asking for from sponsors like genesis or whatever it is is nothing compared the amount of money that the Saudis are putting in to live and yet because it’s probably I don’t know 30 40% increase on where PGA were a lot of sponsors are walking away
And that money is Tiny compared to the money Formula 1 generates and needs well Formula 1 requires and that’s why the days of big title sponsorship in Formula 1 are long gone you know you’re not going to a company spending 40 4550 million PS badging and taking the title
Sponsorship and complete car in Formula 1 these days because a the money is not there and B there are too many other sports to be involved with so that’s another problem Formula 1 faes obviously no tobacco advertising no no real alcohol advertising and we’re going down
The sort of cyber currency there’s a lot of gambling companies in Formula 1 now and is that a good look for Formula 1 I’m not convinced that it is to be honest but you know that’s that’s where we are in terms of how much money the
Sport needs to generate in order just to exist and I suppose this goes back to my uh poison chalice thesis that I owe it’s very strange the way that F1 in a world where commercial dollars are increasingly rare and and commoditized that we increasingly we see this the the
Almost dual pre dual team principle model that you’ll have an iom matu who’s very technically minded and that hars are now going to appoint this chief operations officer to manage all the commercial aspects almost like you’ve got an Andrea cidor to to nail the technical stuff at McLaren but then the
Commercial aspect is almost Zack Brown’s REM whereas back in the day again sounding like the old man at the bar Peter you had an Eddie Jordan who just almost oversaw all of that stuff right I’m guessing Frank was very similar when you were working with him like is is
That making so I comat is the question here does that the fact that he has to almost wear two one and a half hats does that not make his job difficult trying to get this horse thing right in 2024 Peter it’s tough tough ask a yeah it’s a tough question as well
Because I don’t know how much feel he has for marketing and the commercialization of the sport and the car you know because his background engineering you’d have to say probably not a lot but then again you know some I’ve known Engineers who are very good with sponsors and have a very good brain
When it comes to thinking of companies that the team could work with and I don’t think you can really categorize any team along certain paths every race team out there every Formula 1 team out there is different and has a different combination of people and if you take
Frank Williams as a very good example Frank was by his own admission completely non-technical but then again he was good enough technically to know that Patrick head was the right guy to have at that moment to put together the technical infrastructure of the team and to design
And build the car and and you mentioned Eddie Jordan I think Eddie was pretty similar to Frank in that respect I don’t think Eddie ever got involved in detail in areas in which he didn’t feel very confident and and that you know he got the best from Gary Anderson didn’t he
And Gary did a great job with Eddie it was a very very good combination and and a lot of the good people who went through the force India thing even through the Jaguar were were Eddie Jordan people you know he’s very good at choosing good people and and that is the
That is the art it’s if to be a good manager you’ve got to have a good feel for everybody’s talent and then get the best from them just as I was talking about with the drivers and whether that means the right guy to smoo the sponsors potential sponsors and open doors and
Then the right guy to go and do the close two different people probably the right guy to have an overall feel for the car and how to manage good technical people and the right guy actually to be Innovative aerodynamically and the right guy to be doing all the suspension
Geometry because he works really well with the arrow guy whether it’s the right guy to be the chief mechanic who chooses all the mechanics who can work harmoniously when they’re on the edge of breaking the curfew and they’ve got to do this final fuel tank change and
They’ve only got 10 minutes to go whatever it is or wants to encourage all the boys and girls to come into the factory over the winter to do three days of non-stop Pit Stop practice on the shop floor it’s choosing and knowing having a feel for people that results in
Having a very very good team that’s what Christian horer does really well I mean he he there’s no way in the world I can tell you now Adrian Nei is an easy guy to work with absolutely no way but Christian makes it look very seamless and very well well yeah of
Course Adrian’s at Red Bull everybody’s going well is he of course he’s doing a great car it requires a lot of work and a lot of feel for people and to get the best from them that’s what Christian hor does very well that’s what Frank Williams did very well and that’s what
Eddie Jordan did very well and that’s what kamatsu could do very well um if he he has the scope to do that whether he does that we’ll see in the future but to me that’s what that job is all about and the minute you get people being
Dictatorial on areas in which they not uh which they don’t have the knowledge to justify such behavior that is when a team goes downhill and as I say that that applies to getting the best from the drivers as well and the minute you shout the scream at a driver for making
A mistake after it’s happened the team is going to go downhill for sure you’ve got to pre you got to be you’ve got to be proactive and you’ve got to preempt any errors that are going to come from the driver or minimize the the impact of
Them and see what areas can be improved and that and I think actually managing the drivers that way is more important than any other aspect of the team to be honest I’m writing notes here when when’s the book coming out Peter how to manage an F1 team eh very simple it’s
Good management is getting good people and getting the best from good people and having the vision and the ability and the softness of touch to do that and shouting and screaming will never ever give you that result you make it sound very simple Peter but I think it’s um
Because of the very few people are able to do it though because it’s so simple and in Formula One because it’s about power and money and glory and celebrity very quickly the the animal side of our Humanity takes over and we become quite egotistical and um self-centered and and
That’s when a team is in trouble when when the team when the key person allows that to happen that’s when they’re in trouble you’ve got to you got to turn off and I tell you what that’s it just occurred to me but that’s another good thing about this Gan Hass thing because
Let’s get away from all this Netflix stuff you know that’s not that’s not what we want we don’t want all this celebrity stuff we want to go motor racing and we’ve got to get the best from everybody and I think that’s a very powerful part of this picture I love it
Speaking about managing people should we fast forward to 2024 and speak about some topics that I think might rear their ugly head not least of which Mercedes Toto wolf George Russell Lewis Hamilton should they build a car that’s 2.5 seconds quicker than their 2024 model was as as yeah that
That’s that’s the rumor Peter good luck with that but what does let me ask you this way what are you looking for forward to from 2024 what are the the plot lines that you’re you’re Keen to see resolve themselves in the 2024 season Peter Well funnily enough I’m more uh
I’m more hope so I’d like to see Ferrari be much more consistently quick than they are and I’d like to see them winning quite a lot of races so this is just a wish thing right whether if it’s Ferrari or Mercedes I’d rather see Ferrari doing
That because I’ve just got a lot of feel for I just I just like the way Charlotte clerk drives I like the way he is as a human being and I like Ferrari the way they are right now I think I’d love to see them do well and I feel a bit sorry
For them actually to be honest so that’s my thing I’d love to see sha win you know whatever eight races and possibly take their Championship to Max I’d like to see Carlos science do well too I mean I like Carlos and his family a lot and
Got a lot of feel for them so that’s my first thing Mercedes I’m a big Lewis Hamilton fan as probably a lot of people know mainly because of his driving but also because of his humanity and the way he is as a person and I’ve also been a
Fan of George Russell since his gp3 days F3 days carting really and but I fear I’m I’m absolutely the reason I prefer to see Ferrari do well is because I’m absolutely worried about the racing between Lewis and George if they’re in a quick car because I think it’s it’s
Going to be I’ve said that word fireworks several times you know I’m just a bit being a racing racing person has been around for 50 years now um I can just sense that there’s something not quite right there about that combination of the two of them and and
George is really quick and I and he’s very forceful and I just fear that’s all for that for those two if they’ve got a quick car so long as they’re not absolutely right up there then it’s not it’s not quite as big an issue but I’m just speaking purely personally now you
Know being a massive Lewis fan I’m a bit nervous about how it would go if the car was really good because George is in the other car if valry was in the other car I’d be saying yeah bring it on but I’m just feeling nervous about it what can I
Say um so those that’s those two um I’d love to see H do well I really would you know always like Kevin think and Nico and I think I’d love to see them do well with that newu ructure I’m a bit of a saber fan these days I quite like their
Sort of low-key well from my my standpoint lowkey I think they’re trying to do a lot with their sponsors and it’s all trying to be you know Mega thing but um I’d love to see salba start to really pick it up uh prior to Audi badging you
Know taking over the whole thing I think that’d be good uh What else um yeah McLaren I think will just continue to go where they are you know very well probably right up there if not slightly ahead of MC I suspect um and I you enjoy watching Oscar
Piastri drive because I think he does drive he drives at you know at a short Corner level he’s still got a long way to go obviously but he’s got this softness of touch and you do see him doing things with the car that L doesn’t do and that’s very impressive I think to
See that and um so I’ll enjoy watching that I think and um and I said on the live stream you know I’m interested to see how Daniel squares up against Yuki now you know now he’s back no more excuses he’s back he’s in a car that’s potentially you know not not necessarily
Podium but he’s potentially serious points and he’s got a quick guy alongside him how are we going to see Daniel Ricardo the race winning Daniel Ricardo that we knew and love from the Red Bull days I think that’ll be a really interesting race between those two really interesting actually exciting
Peter can can I pick your brain on on Sha I want you to back me down here I’ve been arguing back and forth with my guy shz on charl cler and I I agree with you I think charlot cler’s natural Talent is is boundless right he’s a generational
Talent um speed I mean if I’ve gone to the Head um if I want to pick one of the current drivers on the grid to put in a hot lap for my life I’ll probably choose Charlotte CLA and Eco Machinery however Peter we you’re aware more than most
That to win a championship it takes more than speed Alan Prost is like the Quint although very fast he understood acutely um the need trying to finish first you must first finish right quote Murray um does sha H how long how much patience do we
Have with sha as far as the the kind of unforced errors that he made IMA 2022 I want to say France 2022 that he keeps making these unforced ER and and if he keeps making those you’ll know more more than most be to that he that the likelihood that he can mount a
Championship challenge against the max or against the ls diminishes by the day right like how let me ask the question this way how does he if you were charlot cl’s team manager how do you Trend these unforced errors to zero because I still feel like he makes too many especially given his
Talent well I think it depends on where Ferrari are at with the car um because I think if the Ferrari is as quick as a Red Bull not quicker but as quick as a Red Bull and as consistently quick as a Red Bull from circuit to Circuit I think
You’ll see sha making very very few errors at important moments of either qualifying or the race I think all that will quickly go because I think many of the errors if not all of them are a result of Ferrari being on the back foot at every race and having
To be on the limit was set up in order to get the lap time out of the car whether it to be quick on the straight or whether to have the grip they need on traction or whatever it is they’re always on the edge of everything bit like Mercedes but um slightly
Differently and I think if you then compound that with all the politics at Ferrari that come from not winning and all the stuff that’s that builds up around you and the way Ferrari are inevitably not very good at managing their politics even though I think Freddy basau will um is getting on top
Of that that’s where that’s why those areas have crept in because charl is not interested in being quicker than KLA science or bringing the car home forth all he wants to do is beat Max Musta whoever it is who’s the fastest guy in Formula One because he in his mind he
Knows he can do it because he’s done it and he’s won races and he knows he can win a championship and so he’s G he’s absolutely on the edge all the time in a car that’s pretty much on the edge in terms of setup and I think that’s why I
Was seeing quite a lot of mistakes from him and it’s not no excuse because you could say well he’s good enough to be able to have this sort of envelope in which he can perform without having to make these errors but I don’t think in the environment that he’s racing that that’s
Necessarily something that he’s being disciplined about in other teams maybe that would be the case but to go back to my point I think if the Ferrari is a very good car I don’t think you’ll see sha making those errors and I think you’ll see sha being very very good you
Know I’ve always put him up there with Max and Lewis in terms of his natural feel for the car his feel for short Corners his definite ability to drive a bad car well and manage tires and do all those things that you need to do he’s
Definitely got it and if the Ferrari is a good car and they have reasonable run for sure he can win the World Championship if they if it’s a championship if it’s a Grand Pre winning car you know I’m sure Ferrari can do that but it’s a big if because it may
Not I’m almost certainly won’t be as quick as a Red Bull and therefore they’ll be more or less where they were last year perhaps a little bit nearer and you’ll probably see a little bit more of the same I would guess but that’s only me being perhaps a little
Bit pessimistic I hope you’re right with charl I’m rooting for him but every time he he kind of every time he gets my Buy in as a future world drivers Champion he goes into does something D like even a small mistake like turn 12 at Las Vegas
He’s got the car underneath him and then he kind of almost has this lapse of concentration I’ll tell you a funny story actually Peter before the Las Vegas GUI they did a Sim race with like loads of celebrities and and charir and he was obviously going down the track um
Jamie chadrick was there as well he was going down the track and he made this is astonishing he made exactly the same mistake at turn 12 in that Sim race that he did that the on the Sunday I’m like I just I don’t know the mind buers as
Brilliant as he made the same mistake on two consecutive days at Miami didn’t he um turn three I think it was so yeah but as I say that to me that’s all part of that it’s all part of sha being on the absolute limit and Ferrari being a bit
Chaotic and everything around him being a bit chaotic and surrounding himself possibly with people who are saying come on you can do it you can do it all the wrong stuff but I as I say if the car is very good I don’t think any of that
Stuff will be there it’ll just it’ll become much calmer it’ll be as if they’ve come out of the clouds and there suddenly the blue skies there and the sun shining and you think wow can it really be raining down below the clouds there and they’ll be in this very Serene
Area and I and I really believe with Freddy baso then I think you’ll see Charlotte clerk as a completely different driver but that’s only if they can come out of the clouds and I’m not obviously I’m hoping they will but I’m not convinced they will because you know
They haven’t yet in the this new regulation the odds makers agree with you they’ve got Charlotte CLA as a 33 to1 fourth favorite to win the 2024 drivers Championship mat for stappen by the way a three to 10 odds on favorite that is Bonkers he’s nailed isn’t he
Peter well who are these people that make up all these odds who are these the the so-called Actuarial experts I think there were their guess is as good as anyone else’s they’ve got Max for stappen as a hot favorite Lando Nar second favorite which is interesting and
Lewis Hamilton as a third favorite but how are they factoring in engineering intelligence how they factoring in Rob Wilson principles of driving and how are they factoring in um you know how the drivers are in the wet relative to the semi-wet how are they factoring all that in best guess P they strug
Yeah we could all say oh yeah Max Vin’s the favorite and we could all say look Lando is going to go well but then again you know who cares about that stuff I don’t I don’t care at all to be honest I’m I’m not demeaning your question at
All or your statement I’m just saying what an act he thinks about Formula 1 is completely irrelevant to I see you they they can’t they can never get it 100% let’s talk about Lewis for a second because I I feel like I’d lost Lewis be my favorite driver probably my favorite
Driver of all time I went through a bit of a depression in 2022 because he was I don’t know he was nowhere we struggled with the car was was overloaded with the burden of testing and it appeared that George had the momentum and again flip reversed that last year and it seems
Like the car came to Lewis and we saw some Ian I mean he put it on pole we saw some amazing performances from the fell and he kind of was becoming himself Peter I’m asking you the question this way given the car oh let let me phrase
It this way equal Machinery with Max for stappen in 2024 and let’s say Charlotte CLA equal Machinery can Lewis at the ripo age of 39 in mind not too many drivers in history have won the title at his age or old or recent history from the 70s
Onwards can Lewis wrestle the B drivers Championship from Max for stappen in 24 I’d have to say no because I think George Russell will take quite a lot of points from him and I don’t think Perez will take anything like the same number of points from Max and I don’t think
Color science will take anything like the same number of points from from charlot clerk I think Lewis has got a much steeper Hill to climb if all three cars are equal because he’s got George in the other car he’s got to beat George first and then he’s got to beat charl
And Max Max has just got to beat whoever was in the other two cars and same with Charlotte it’s a much more difficult job for Lewis and so nothing to do with his age nothing to do with anything other than he’s got a more difficult job than
Than Max or in that situation because of George and I and I still feel bad for Lewis that he does have to beat George I I wish he had vry in the other car or Carlos SS or Sergio Perez um because it makes it so much more difficult when
You’ve got a really really quick teammate in the other car and it’s a good car and believe me I’ve been there you know I was there Manel rosberg I was there Manel PK and I was there Mansel Prost at Ferrari working closely with with all three teams and it’s a very
Very difficult situation when you got somebody that close or that that omnipresent in the other car it’s very difficult I love it when you uh site your historic experential evidence it’s it’s it’s levels I hope we I agree with you but I desperately hope we both Rong
Because I am more than anything in the world I would pay a lot of money to see Lewis claim a record-breaking I’m you know would to see Lewis win the World Championship I really would love to see it if only to make up for what happened
At Abu Dhabi 21 because that he should have won that championship and he should be the guy that wins eight World Championships in my opinion and uh you know wouldn’t it be brilliant if he did it would be absolutely the perfect ending to his career but they’re not making it easy
For themselves by having George in that other car that’s for sure white Peters as we ran for a base can I read out some subscriber questions to some of them are a bit techy so feel free to go uh nuclear on them game of Ender says I’m C
This is more of a comment than a question but I think you might like this one I’m curious what Peter’s obsession is with Lewis and George he seems to rever Lewis as if he’s an infallible day and George as if he’s worse than maerin um I’m a huge fan of Lewis and I
Think he’s the greatest of all time but sometimes we seem blind to any Fair critique of Lewis on the red times he makes a mistake or underperforms Peter to I feel like your previous statement has kind of underscored that that’s not it’s all these things and these ridiculous sound bites things out of
Context the reason if you like I’m negative about George is not because I don’t rate him and it’s not because I don’t like him or don’t think he’s a fabulous racing driver the reason I’m nervous about him is because he is all three he’s incredibly quick and he’s an incredibly
Intelligent good racing driver and that’s cramping Lewis’s style you don’t need somebody that good in the other car if you want Lewis to be your your world champion that is why Red Bull don’t have George Russell in the second car alongside Max M Sten exactly that reason
They have Sergio Perez who’s not a George Russell and so please get it straight don’t misquote me I’m not saying I don’t rate George the level that I think he’s a maerin I mean I don’t know where you would have got that idea from not by not listening I suspect
So yeah I mean and and and as for possibly criticizing me for saying I’m over the top about Lewis I I don’t think Lewis is as quite as quick now as he was I think it’s inevitable um partly because he’s been around a long time and partly because of having suddenly to
Drive a high Midfield car instead of a winning car which he hadn’t really done at any point of his career he’s had to adjust and adapt at quite a late stage in his career but what I think is absolutely amazing about Lewis well two things one I think is the footprint
Globally that he’s given Formula 1 and the way he’s handled himself as a human being I think he’s I think he’s a really good guy and I like hanging out with him and chatting to him about things other than racing people A and B I think that
He’s given that he’s won seven World Championships and that he’s in a difficult car and has been in a difficult car for two years I think his motivation is incredible think of the number of ERS that have won their Championship just given up and and they’ve never been the same since but
Not with Lewis Hamilton he’s just as competitive now as he was in 2007 and I think that’s Absolut that says a lot about his love of motor racing and what a racer he is really and no other way of describing it and we know that he is a
Racer and we know that his favorite circuit is probably still maau and his favorite car is probably still a beautiful Formula 3 car that he can throw around Macau and just drive the perfect lap width almost perfect and that’s how much of a racer he is and and
That’s what I respect about him you know what’s wrong with that and he drives beautifully contrary to what a lot of people say I think he is an ultimate short Corner driver I think he’s we’ve seen some of the Brilliance of Lewis and that he’s managed to do other things
With the car in this last couple of years with the very small operating window that Mercedes have where they’ve had to get the front tires to work and then the rear tires are getting too hot or vice versa and he’s driven in a quite a different way in order to get around
That and I think he’s done a really good job but if he’s got a very good car well balanced and the tires are good he’s your ultimate short Corner driver up there with Max and charl and uh and I love watching that you you don’t see drivers like that very often in Formula
One and so I can’t imagine why anybody wouldn’t be just hanging over the fence with the tongue hanging out every time he drives around a corner because that’s what I do I just love watching him drive even if he’s on his own uh same with charl same with Max same with a few
Others as well just as I used two with any great driver whether it be Jackie Stewart Mario andred Jim Clark you know you just want to watch these guys doing what they’re doing even on an empty track not bad are they Peter LS is um
He’s half decent so I’m told as a as a peddler say that yeah he’s not bad at all XC says what makes a great wet along the same lines what makes a great wet weather driver and why can we see a guy like STW produce some on occasion produce some really impressive wet
Weather performances but never really stand out in the dry you make that Peter yeah it’s a good point about stroll get on to him in a minute in general um a great wet weather driver is a driver with a very soft touch who is able to
Feel the grip on the surface of the road where it is and then drive the car quickly on that grip wherever that is braking and what part of the corner that is that’s incredibly difficult to do because you have to feel the limit obviously and often that grippiest part of the
Corner is on the outside very near the white line on the edge of the corner just before the marbles and so you have a very very small margin uh on which to find that grip and it’s the drivers who are very finger tippy and supple and
Soft with their inputs that can do that best so generally speaking the guys that are very good at manipulating cars to do what they want them to do as distinct from reacting to what the car has just done those are the drivers are going to be quick in the W
Consistently now getting on to Lance stroll you got to remember that this guy’s probably done more days with Rob Wilson than any Grand Prix driver in the history of the sport and there’s nothing that Rob teaches that isn’t along the lines of soft touch get the car flat
While you’re braking release the brake pedal pressure at exactly the right rate load up the steering at exactly the right rate and I think when Lance has gone well in the wet he’s usually been in a pretty good car with a reasonable amount of grip and balance and he’s done
That everything’s happening slightly slower in the wet and I’m not saying that it’s easier to drive in the wet but I think I think when Lance is in the dry he’s done pretty well I mean against vettle he wasn’t bad at all in terms of back-to-backs and generally how they
Looked obviously he’s been completely upstage by Fernando Alonzo and that’s a wakeup call for him and I think that is more about how he drives under pressure in the dry he tends to collapse in a couple of areas Under Pressure now I think he can build those up again and he
Can build up a resilience to that uh providing he works really hard at it and TR and keeps all the politics out of his mind and just focuses on what he does well and and I think that’s a very difficult thing for him to do because
For sure he gets a lot of anst in his life about the fact that his dad bought this team for him and spending all this money for him and why is he getting beaten by Fernando Alonzo and it all piles up and everybody knows he’s only there because of his dad’s money anyway
And all that stuff builds up but whenever it rains I think probably a little bell rings in his brain and he thinks oh yeah I’m very good in the wet yeah I’ll remember to be break here and I need to be soft here and it just all
Comes back to him and and all that other stuff goes away and it’s all happening as I say slightly slower so he can really focus on what he’s doing I think it’s as simple as that and and and I think it comes down to many drivers
Could be as good as laning wet if they worked as hard as he has on you know rainy days in England with Rob Wilson doing stuff that other drivers aren’t doing because they’re preing themselves in the gym or sitting on a Sim or riding a bike in the mountains or whatever
They’re doing but you know at least Lance strollers has been out there doing the hard work and putting in the mileage and um hitting you know thousand bunker shots a day in order to get one of them just right I love that and I’ve got to
Respect it I didn’t know that straw was so was one of the rare few on the grid that’s so keen on continuously developing his technique and he works really hard at it and I think the problem is not the problem but I mean Fernando is so good at driving a
Reasonably good car incredibly well but you know it’s taken everything to another level and and as I say I think in the dry it’s quite you know he’s under a lot of pressure all the time but the wet the dingdong and he’s out there and he goes well love it love it
Incredible yeah Alonzo is never going to do you any favors as a driver he he’s not too bad Apparently one of one of the half decent ones Fernando aan Alonzo I’ll ask you two more you’ve been super generous of your time Peter if I may um Michael says were Mercedes just engine Merchants
James Allison’s comments on ground defect have me questioning him I previously rated him incredibly highly did you make of that Peter yeah I think we have to question James Allison with the ground effect because he got it wrong just as you know a lot of people got it wrong in the
Beginning of 2022 and all that bouncing and all that stuff should never have happened at a team the quality of Mercedes with the infrastructure they have and the number of people they employ and the amount of money they spend and I come back to Peter Wright who knew ground effect from the ground
Up um excuse the pun but you know he was at Lotus when they did the 79 the 78 and the 79 and then the 80 and that’s in the 80 is when they ran into all this bouncing for the first time was 1979 and you know all somebody like
James Allison needed to do was pick up the phone to Peter right and say tell me all about purposing and ground and bouncing what causes it and what were the issues you had back in 79 because we’re in that we’re going to be in that exactly that area this year and quite
Clearly he didn’t do that I’m not saying Peter Wright’s the only guy in the world that he could have phon but obviously Adrian knew he knew what he was doing in that area I guess to some extent Rory burn did at Ferrari is Consulting on the aerodynamic side but looks as if James
Allison didn’t think about that side of things and and using the brain of people who had been around at that point because Mercedes had done so much winning by then and they had their team and this was it and this was a solution to this problem and this is a solution
To that problem and you know we are the Masters of the Universe sort of thing um that’s what winning does for you over a period of time and and normally the building blocks allow you to continue to get better and better but the problem was of course for 2022 that the
Regulations just changed dramatically and it was effectively square one for everybody and uh and that’s where I think in a way Mercedes were victim of their own success because they didn’t have this broader vision of thinking yeah we need to be outside the box now
Let’s just go and we’ll go down to Wales and have it take Peter ride out to lunch or somebody else out to lunch and just chat to them about ground affair effect and the downsides to this having too much downfalls and ride height control the phrase technical arrogance pops into
My head and um I mean I watched a couple bits on bobs Brown the the the kind of gen Genesis story of of the downfall it’s probably too strong a word but the the underperformance of Mercedes post 2021 and uh a lot of guys in the no say
That it it was because principally Red Bull weren’t a weren’t an engine Merchant for one of a better term and B already had a package that was very Aero efficient that lent itself very nicely to the new rules whereas Mercedes all of their downfill was like tacted on bits
So fundamentally chassis wasn’t as anywhere near as aerodynamically efficient as was Red Bull so they were already on a that Red Bull had a head start going into the 2022 season right as far as the new rules and rs yeah I I’m I mean I don’t think anybody
Outside a CFT design room and with total knowledge of airflow and cfd for that specific car can really comment about it and I know a lot of fans like to say this or that or they got this wrong or that wrong I mean the reality is as I
Understand it from a very broad brush position is that Mercedes just built a car with as much downforce as they could possibly generate without considering the effect that was going to have at certain ride heights to the airf flow under the car and and that caused the bouncing they had massive downfalls
And that’s been their issue from ever since really how much downfalls to take out of the car in order to get the thing to to sit comfortably on the road whereas Red Bull it wasn’t I mean efficient downforce is a very good phrase to describe a downforce package
That works from circuit to Circuit from high downforce circuits to low downforce circuit circuits if it’s quick at both it’s got efficient Arrow because you’re not losing a lot of stuff on the straight in order when you run the smaller wings but from Red Bull’s point
Of view their whole premise of the car was these are the limitations of ground effect because if we go beyond these L boundary lines we’re going to get massive purposing so let’s design the car perfectly within this box of no purposing so they started from that premise from day one whereas Mercedes
Didn’t and that’s difference and obviously knowing what the where the boundary was and how far they could go was the art and they did sometimes go over the barriers and they did sometimes have pping and bouncing but it’s nothing like as bad as McLaren or Mercedes or
Ferrari and that was that’s all Adrian NE and his team obviously I got to say his team because he’s got very very good people working with him as well and that was the difference that was the fundamental difference between the way Red Bull went into 2022 and the way the
Rest went into 2022 what a sad story for Mercedes and Le Hamilton fans around the world but I don’t can I say what a sad story for Formula 1 Absolut that those regulations were brought in actually to make the racing much closer to have more overtaking and to make it much easier to
Follow the car in front and actually I’m not saying that it wasn’t easier to follow the car in front it was but it didn’t produce any close racing it made the racing 10 times worse and walk over for Red Bull it’s interesting irony isn’t it when you try
To play around with regulations to actually increase the improve the racing it usually backfires and that brings me back to my old pet hate of of surveys anyway you know asking questions of the fans of the world what would you like to see improved inform formul one and you
Give them five options would you like to see more overtaking would you like to see longer races would you like to see artificial rain races would you like to see reverse grid races most people are going to tick more overtaking aren’t they oh on that case let’s create a
Completely new formula just so we’ve got it easier to overtake oh along the way we’ve given the championship to Red Bull for three years you know um it wouldn’t have been it’s not difficult to predict things like that it’s just that the people that make the decisions
Often don’t think out of the box I think well they listen to surveys and read surveys and that’s always the kiss of death the travails of Formula 1 in 2023 I’ll ask you his final one so you’ve been super jealous with your time Ali says if is F1 becoming more of a
Corporate tool the marketing pressures on the drivers are building up and with more and more races on the calendar 24 in 24 it surely will undermine their concentration you make of that Peter Well we were talking about this earlier and that is that one of the sh forms of
Income for the teams is a race so the more Races they have the more money they’re going to make simple as that that’s why we have as many races as we do because there’s a it’s more difficult to make make money in in the more traditional ways in Formula 1 from
Sponsorship and even from television than it used to be so the main Demand on the time is the number of Races they do it’d be interesting to see how many days a George Russell does in a racing car compared with Nelson PK in 1987 for example when there was no limit
On the amount of testing you did I suspect that PK still did more days sitting in the racing car than George Russell does but there’s a lot of traveling and all the stuff that comes with racing as you say the marketing demands around each race are severe on
Most of the teams and drivers and that’s uh what do I think about that I think if I was kamatsu and you know I just got this new job at H I would be would I be saying to the pr media people I want to limit the amount of
Time the drivers do I don’t think I would because I don’t I mean you say all that I don’t think it’s actually very demanding is it for a driver to sit there and have questions talk to the Press I mean they don’t say anything anyway it’s all sugarcoated stuff that
You know is just designed to be a sound bite it’s not that big a deal the only the only thing I would worry about with the drivers is whether it eats into time when they could be working on their driving in the ways that I’ve talked about you know physically hard difficult
Ways of working on the driving like days with Rob Wilson I’m not saying Rob’s the only guy out there or that’s the only system out there but that would that would worry me if their if their commitments ate into that and they said oh we haven’t got time to go and
Practice under how I drive with under steer or whatever it is um then I would be upset about it but otherwise I don’t know I think I I don’t think interviews are that difficult are they and I don’t think the drivers I don’t know why they
Make such a big deal about you know oh you know we’re going to be late for the prize for this interview press conference because it’s all quite enjoyable stuff you know why aren’t they love they love Formula 1 why aren’t they talking about it and sharing with
Everybody having a laugh I think it’s too everybody takes it all too seriously like that and you know the driver’s demands and but what are they doing when they’re not at the racetrack they’re usually sitting in the hotel room playing computer games or something in
The back of the truck and or back of the motor home and um I would say the more they need to get out there and do more actually to be honest and I think during the winter break as I said many times I think the top three in the world
Championship should be doing a world tour certainly certainly you know Asia and North America doing chat shows lots of TV just talking about Formula 1 maybe doing some charity cart races and building up a sort of fictitious battle between um I don’t know Max and Char or
Whatever and and having Chat Show stuff and just promoting the sport I think they can do they’re all young athletes you they can get away with it what’s the problem I do think though to to defend the drivers for a second I think there is a I think there is something to be
Said for the bandwidth drain that comes with additional races 24 in the traditional the additional races Cameron I agree with you I think it’s much too many and uh and that is a problem but that’s an insoluble problem because it’s the guaranteed money that the teams need
So the drivers somehow need to get around that if they find that bandwidth thing becoming an issue they need to just even more they need to work on the discipline of how they drive because going to the fundamentals of driving means that you can then put a
Structure in your head of the lap and the lap will happen according to a scientific mathematical structure of you know this is breake here position the car there come out of the brake pedal pressure here load the steering up here everything happens in a SC scientific
Way if you like even though touch and feel is still critical and you don’t need to be thinking about other stuff and and and that that gives you that structure and that discipline whereas if you if you don’t have that structure and discipline then all the other things the
Press conference that question I got asked might filter into your subconscious as you’re trying you know you go in and the back end breaks away or you know you all it becomes a mess even more with more Races they need the discipline of of the structure of
Driving the lab well mate I I love listen I got say here and I don’t think that it applies to everybody it applies much less to the very good drivers to the Maxes the shs and the lewises because they’re constantly feeling the surface though they’re constantly adapting to whatever’s around them it’s
The drivers who only drive one way break as late as possible get on the power as soon as possible within limits of what you want the tires to do and the balance of the car and everything else those are the drivers whose bandwidth will suffer if if there are too many races definitely
No absolutely agreed Peter listen you’ve been super generous you time I could talk your ears off for another 90 minutes but um no thank you for asking such good for raising such great topics and you know asking such good questions because it’s always a pleasure it really
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Did Guenther have to go?
Not one podium in 160 grand prix.
Are you serious? 21:16
The problem with George is His willingness to put the car where it shouldn't be, and He is fairly consistent about it, and yet, if you ask Him, its never His fault.
When is Cameron going to be on Sky ?
What a good way to end the Sunday by watching this amazing F1 interview! Thank you Cameron.
Hamilton should be fired from Mercedes, he costs too much salary-wise and he hasn't done anything more than an average driver the last 2 seasons.
Bs!! His time is over!
Max is the one who will get the 8th title 💪🦁🔥
You and Peter are nearly the perfect pairing…
Always nice to have Peter on. Good stuff, Cam.
1:09:00 Peter the key to performance is anti dive suspension which enables stable downforce. This is where Newey earned his salary from Red Bull
1:12:00 the racing was /is worse because there was really only one expert in ground effects. Perhaps F1 should have issued guidelines for the new rule set to help teams or caution on the limitations of cfd modeling in terms of porpoising.
I think the rest of teams will catch up to Red Bull’s RB19 in 2024 mainly through suspension development, but the RB20 will advance the state of the art yet again. Possibly 20 wins. I’ll be happy to come back to this comment see that I was wrong- but Red Bull is executing at an unbelievable level. Kudos to Christian Horner for his leadership.
I’ve been an f1 fan just about as long as Peter and I’ve never seen a driver like Max- metronomic in his excellence, merciless, driven, focused, maximum aggression, extreme hunger. Quite remarkable really.
Max aka 2021 fake champion embarrassing fanbase always trying to discredit Lewis. Guilty conscience of championship robbery 😂
Love the chat as usual. GOAT settings!
Just want to ask: Mr Windsor says that Haas can do well by being efficient and simple, and that being underfunded is a boon.
Would you rather be efficient and simple and underfunded…OR…simple and efficient with a big budget (allowing investment in better infrastructure and tools with which to base your decisions?). Especially in a budget cap era when the emphasis is on getting it right first time?
Surely the path to success requires both?
The vid was again a pleasure to listen to, thank you Cam and Peter. The fact that Redbull and maxterclass now dominate is very nice for this Dutchman. and when it's over, that's fine too. The most important thing for me is that the Netherlands now also has its world champion in F1, and what a great one. We are proud of Max and grateful for the good times Max gives us.
Odds makers don’t care about getting predictions right. They care about getting even betting across the board, then the house wins on the vig
I hope Hamilton and Toto never won the championship again… I dont remember clearly what year it was but Mercedes had a 1-2 at Monza and an engineer called both Merc driver on the radio to "come to the pit in formation, show how it's done to our Italian collegue". This kind of disrespectful/arrogant comment is unacceptable. They are bad looser and bad winner. Anybody else but Mercedes/Lewis!
Peter, concerning Lewis Hamilton, “for what happened to him in Abu Dhabi in 21?? “ justice would be LH winning the 24 DC???
I have to remind you on one thing and that is that previous to the AbD race, Max had the advantage. Yes I know that he and LH were on equal points but Max had won one more race, he had led more laps, he had at least 2 dnf’s caused by other drivers, he had more damage to endure caused by others and Consequently he would have been ahead if he was not robbed of points Max would have won the 21 championship even before the start of the last race. All he had to do was coming home second.
I'm slightly more cynical about the Guenther Steiner situation. I think Gene Haas felt that Guenther was more interested in growing his own popularity rather than the Haas team and brand. But he couldn't fire him or else he'd look like a massive pr1ck, so he let his contract run out. Plausible deniability and all that.
the oppressed one has 50 million reasons a year to be motivated .. of course he is going to stay in f1
Hamilton should stop crying about everything and just stop hes never gonna win his "8th" and hes gonna lose his 7th💪💪 hamilton just isnt that good as the english believe he is…. senna prost schumacher max are all better drivers✌️
No, Hamilton should not win 8 championships.
another meeting of the Lewis and Charl fan club. 1) Lewis is not getting #8/#7…2) Charles will continue to crash, "aka trying to hard" funny never heard Peter cut Seb that kind of slack during his stint at Ferrari. 3) PS he needs to win 9 times this year to match Seb's Ferrari failure of 14 wins. 4) Max will continue to romp until 2026 when the rules change again. till then Orange is the new Red. 5) Mystery is what's missing in F1, the drivers are overexposed… the allure of F1 in the day was you actually knew little about the drivers they were Myths willingly risking their life and many didnt' make it. now we have Grosjean type crashes and everyone walks away. 6) i'm old and out of touch became a F1 fan 60 years ago when i read a Rob Walker race report in the back of a Road and Track magazine it was like reading Lord of the Rings mystery, adventure, tragedy and triumph. 7) Now we get Netflix making stars out of 3 rate team managers…times have changed indeed.
Hamilton will never win another Championship mainly due to the rules based Mercedes. Red Bull are the renegades, they strive to win in ANY way possible.
Hilarious how ppl keep being so despirate abt LH. We dont need LH, we have Charles, Lando, Carlos, Alonso 💪 Ppl are so narrow minded being obsessed with LH. He has his time, its now the time for the youngsters, the next generation.
That quote in the title of this video is taking his words out of context.
No, he has to win it, not get it 'because he deserves it', he deserves it when he wins it.
I wonder how much Adrian picked up working on the Aston Martin Valkyrie on his year off – which is fundamentally a ground effect road car ?
Cameron are you wearing a snuggie?
Here we go again…… another Lewis “British love story” 😢. Just as I thought that Peter has become objective (enough) in his F1 comments, he does this again. Peter….Peter…. You don’t need this, just come back.
He already did though. You you and you move up but not the rest because otherwise the guy on new tyres wont get to use drs and the clock has run out, and, go!
I have been a Peter Windsor fan for along time, which probably has also to do with my generation andthe fact I was alreay a motor racing enthusias in the 1060's and an F1 fan since 1967. So, when there is a Cameron F1 show,particularly as he 'vlogs' with Peter Windsor, I amin F1 heaven. Thank You!
Mercedes also had issues in Sportscars with aerodynamics… They took wrong direction and it's taking time to turn around…
No, Lewis doesn't deserve to have an 8th WDC. Nobody deserves anything.
As for Lewis work ethics, I have more respect for Alonso. He has more humble goals and seams to just enjoy driving. Lewis seams to just want to win because he lost before. Everyone knows he will quit as soon as he has his 8th.
No ,don’t get it ,it’s small minded detriment to the sport in the long run and quiet frankly stupid even psychotic because how can your team your goal your whole reason d,etre be about competition when all you do is limit the competitors and their capacity to compete,also highly hypocritical and not nothing to admire in the existing teams.nore the drivers that say they are all about the racing but want their car to have winning advantages and will fight behind the scenes tooth and nail to keep them,it will eventually create despise for it all!