The boys are recovering from a long Independence Day weekend filled with fireworks on the PGA Tour with Rickie Fowler return to the winners circle. Tiger Woods is in the news for what he did say? Or, didn’t he? Finally, the US Women’s Open has teed off at historic Pebble Beach Golf Links. We discuss.
Recorded 7/6/23
Welcome welcome welcome to another edition of quiet please the golf podcast I am Alan Dew and our panel I’ll be a little smaller to tonight it’s Fourth of July week we’re recording on uh Thursday evening after a very long weekend but I do have joining me as
Always Andy hior hello Andy hello jent a little bit of big three golf tonight here little big three going out in threesoms tonight and and rounding out our threesome he is Mr little linksters he is an author on all kinds of things golf Brendan Elliott hello Brendan good
Evening good evening hey we’re gonna push this live as me as soon as we’re done here and we apologize Fourth of July guys I don’t know about you but it got me all out of sorts first of all being on a Tuesday and then five like
Five days a hell at the golf course I mean we were freaking busy how was your fourth it it was a little odd this year being on a Tuesday you know yeah I mean it’s it’s like that weekend is is seemingly a long weekend but then you
Know people are working on Monday and taking Tuesday off it’s it’s just it’s a weird week for sure it was a really weird week and I’ll tell you I didn’t even have time to eat a hamburger and a hot dog I think may have one but that’s
Probably not a bad thing right bernon no it’s not a bad thing for any of us right how uh how was yours though all good I uh I shipped the wife and daughter off to New York City for a couple days nice um and then I’m like
You know what I’m gonna get rid of the boy too so I sent him to my parents to watch fireworks so I just chilled by myself me and the dog that was my fourth you know what sometimes you got to do that every married American man wishes for a Fourth of July like
That that’s right I love you Melissa by the way if you’re listening disclaimer uh you know that was all meant to be a just oh like I said we Friday was nuts uh Saturday Sunday a little bit of a lull but then July 3 was absolutely
Insane we did we did record revenue and I’d be interested what if other people that are in the golf industry how I’ve been hearing numbers are still up um but and then the fourth was solid and then yesterday and today have been solid so it’s just golf’s golf’s doing well don’t you think
Andy I think golf’s continuing to do great yeah it’s crazy it just seems to be it’s not a covid thing anymore you know um it just seems to be continuing on it on the right Trend which is great well I don’t I don’t want to be a Debbie
Downer but oh God so we’re seeing some Trends in Florida with uh our camps our camp numbers are down this year and I and I I talked to marad that runs the PGA Junior camps and it’s across the country he said but I think it’s like The covid
Hangover because a lot of families seem to be going on vacations multiple vacations like going to for a couple days and then going out of state or whatever so and it which is fine because it’s so goddamn hot down here just like every place else I don’t know how you
Keep t- sheets busy Allen when it’s you know 100 heat index in in New Jersey well and and obviously the demand is so high we actually have we’re operating on a demand-based pricing system it it elevated the prices to 20 $30 more than what even our regular weekend rates and people didn’t stop
People just want to come and well get to well I’ll just I’ll jump there right now it was a bro it was a bro Fest beyond belief out there a couple of those days it was like bro Mecca I wish Christian was here because bro I tell I tell you what that’s one
Thing that hasn’t changed I mean I think the golf world’s been taken over by the Bros without question yeah the golf world has been taken over by the but what’s interesting I was going to ask you how the camps are responding uh Brendan because as as you know you’ve
Interviewed Riley plitz our uh PGA LPGA uh professional Eagle Rich shout out Riley uh she her camps are just they’re just jamming well SE it’s season for you guys so that makes sense but right oh that’s true that’s true for us down here it’s just it’s it’s tough for because it’s
The total reverse of you guys so it’s tough for us granted the co years were really good our numbers were really really high but there wasn’t a lot of other things the kids could do so we definitely benefit from that but now it’s just seems more like business as
Usual for us at least summer down here all right enough about shop talk let’s get into because we actually got a lot of things we’re gonna talk Ricky we’re going to talk tiger you know there’s big news when Tiger has to make an official statement on something
Thing uh we’re going to talk the ladies because because we are a little delayed because the the ladies have to teed off for the open and I got a personal Feelgood story with Peter Quest I that I I love that story so Andy which one do you want to go with first the
Rickster Brandon Andy froze Andy froze yeah let’s let’s start with let’s start with Ricky okay let’s start with Ricky with the negative because everything in life is you can easy to pick out the negative what the hell was the PGA Tour thinking with moving the tea times yeah
I don’t know I thought there might have been weather or something but I don’t know I never heard I thought it was weather okay that’s what I assumed but I mean and then they’re they they start tweeting and posting and everything else about Ricky wins Ricky wins and their
Ratings went to hell if I’m rocket mortgage I going to be like come on guys what did you just do yeah I tell I tell you to me the really interesting thing about that whole way that whole thing played out so we’re we’re on our group
Text and you guys are texting Ricky and I think I was on the golf course and um but I was going to go back and watch it later so I know Ricky won but I want to watch in anyway because I’m just that kind of guy right and uh so I’m watching
It and it’s amazing that coming down the stretch Ricky made all the wrong moves like every everything that I’ll finish it everything that he should have been doing because guess what I was just about to say this also I didn’t get to watch it on I didn’t get to actually watch the
Because The Telecast was was we were crazy right so I come home that night and I sit down on the couch and I I may have ported Jameson that had nothing no bearing on the outcome of what I was gonna say I literally am sitting there
Going he wins this thing how does he win this thing look at he what is what is he doing and I am literally watching them climb out of the golf cart to tea off on the playoff hole and I didn’t watch it I fell asleep but I mean how if you listen to
Like doy I think it was doy talking about you know how Ricky kind of had another one had a chance and he’s gonna blow it and it it was unbelievable how how he just was not looking like the winner until he won right yeah I I I
Mean I figured moraa was gonna win this thing when if you didn’t know the out if you didn’t know the out come when sitting to finally watch it I’m like how does Colin not win this thing and he’s looking solid right now you know I’ll be honest guys what Mark Bradley said in
Our last show about everything with the app and you can follow individual players and this and that I don’t watch a lot of golf unless it’s a major I follow stuff on the app I I have my players highlighted if there if there’s a hole and there or
Three holes left or something and they’re within a couple shots you know I’ll peek in on the app and follow it that way but I don’t consume by TV very much unless it’s a major so that’s how I’m watching stuff so I didn’t see like
A lot of the things you guys are talking about I heard about it after the fact and I do watch golf junal still so um but I don’t get to see it like I used to see it a couple years ago Andy yeah to me it was just really
Thought we lost again no I’m here I’m here to me it was just really interesting to listen to the commentary and you get that feeling I don’t care what sport you’re watching baseball football basketball you get that feeling of who’s got the momentum and and what the outcome’s actually going to be and
This was just a 180 degree turn from what it seemed like was going on so I gotta I gotta shout this one out because as you know I I’m I’m the stalker of social amongst us right so Shooter McGavin AKA Christ Christoper McDonald friend of the show by the way
He may have had the best tweet I think of the weekend in my humble opinion so Ricky makes that and he just kind of casually looks up at this you know like this with this sigh of satisfaction and it cuts to Abraham Lincoln chubs and the alligator wav to him from from the
[Laughter] sky it was classic it was funny as H anyway um but I I do want to ask you guys so how do you feel about him breaking through even though he made the mistakes down the stretch he still did get it done what do you think this does
I mean he’s been on an uptick we all know that but do you think this kind of propels him to Ryder Cup and all the things he’s starting to talk about in the media I I think so and look look to me you know we talk about the the eye test
Of what was going on on Sunday but the overall eye test of what’s going on with Ricky is pretty damn impressive yeah I mean like he makes a 60 foot Putt and he barely has a blip in his heart rate right yeah I mean he’s like all business
Out there and and I just feel really good for him knowing that that he’s back and he’s all the way back um so are all those things in play I think they are cool AG I think I think yes I would I I would agree with that completely I won’t
Give him the kiss of death and say oh he’s suddenly the favorite at at the Open Championship no because I I think morawa looks as equally as good right now going into that having one there obviously so he has a comfort level um but Butch Harmon’s he’s he’s got
Ricky Ricky is on a trajectory right now yeah so so let’s talk about Colin because colins’s not I mean Colin colins’s had a bad stretch here yeah and they were talking about Colin and Justin Thomas um and Justin Thomas is really in a bad way right now yeah he looks lost
But he looks he looks almost as lost as I am before we I was venting but with my with my grumpy shirt on here before I I think it it brings up an interesting point though because I don’t I don’t care who we’re talking about at a specific point in
Time everyone seems to go all in on player a then all in on player B it wasn’t that long ago before everyone was picking Justin Thomas as the favorite for every major every major yeah and now Justin Thomas he was like 14 over in the US
Open in the first 36 holes I mean like he’s really struggling and you know I’m not saying John ROM struggling but but ROM was that guy that was the favorite in every major Scotty was that guy that was the favorite in every major it’s just it it’s it’s just interesting the
Way that whole thing works and the way everybody launches someone to the Forefront because of what they did today thinking that it’s going to last forever and and they’re on top of the world but you know if you dive a little deeper into that if you look who’s leading at
The deer right now Jonas Blicks like he hasn’t even been on the radar in years and he shoots 62 I know so it could be someone like him that has been way outside the top 125 for years or it could be the number two three four number one player in the
World you have given me the ultimate segue back to I feel good story How about if you’re like 798 in the world and you Monday qualify at the rocket and then go out there and I’m leading after after day one and I’m speaking about Peter Quest out of
BYU right came to golf actually late in life got a got a SC I’ve already looked this kid up I’m just impressed what a great week whether it was his 15 minutes of fame or whatever whatever if if he’s going to get confidence and started to go kid made
$370,000 I think this past week at the rocket mortgage but how he got there was more impressive and I’m just gonna I think we talked about it but just for the listeners he goes to the MonDay qualifier gets into a playoff four for three they get on the first hole of the
Playoff and whoever the one player and I can’t remember the name off the top of my head he’d gone to the range and he usually carries either a five hybrid or a three iron in his bag and and basically they go to the te they start
To play the hole and the guy looks down and he and and he’s underneath his towel he had put the extra Club back in his bag thinking he might have been in oh I did not know this so immediately a four for three playoff to get into the rocket
All three of the other guys are in because the other guy’s DQ because he’s got 15 well he wasn’t but two two-stroke penalty right so now he’s out Peter Quest gets in Peter Quest gets in and if he if he had finished Solo four unfortunately instead of a tie for four
He would have got a temporary membership on the on the PGA tour but what it did do for him is he got into the John Deere this week because the kids shot like what he end up shooting 21 under yeah including leading that’s to your point
That’s how F line these guys are like Kevin Roy said a couple weeks ago on the show you know when they’re on the corn faery tour and then I’ll shut up you guys can opine I mean here’s firet pins fire a pin fire dep penss I mean it’s
Such a fine line one swing can change your direction yep yep it is incredible and you know it it it just goes to show you how absolutely just amazingly deep the talent pool is but at the same time when you get guys that separate themselves like like
Scotty and and Rory and Rah even though there’s been some fallback back it just makes you realize how good these guys are when you can get stories of guys going into the thousandth in the world ranking having their moment in this sun it is amazing I mean I think Scotty has a
Record going of top 10 finishes that’s like ridiculous or maybe it broke recently I don’t know but I mean like his his playing record is just amazing in the last whatever year period of time but yeah you’re right Brendon those those guys who are at the top top
You know it just shows you just how amazingly successful and better they are than than the rest and it’s it’s not just these Collegiate kids that we that we get to see that you know in a major like a Sam Bennett who’s actually been doing pretty solid uh yeah the last
Couple weeks it’s not just those like go back to Sam Ryder in high school he started playing at like six well taking it serious at 16 16’s pretty damn late right playing at ston that’s a Powerhouse golf school not knocking Stetson but you know what I’m
Saying and then he just you know just prodded and plotted along through Canadian and everything and then here he is and he’s held his card for six years or so well let me let me throw this one in because I literally just saw this for we hopped on here to
Record um Brooks called out Matt wolf I read that yeah and Matt wolf you know obviously hey I’m just trying to I’m just trying my I’m out here just trying my best but he called him out and to something to the extent of what a waste of
Talent that’s not fair that’s not fair to me because it’s been documented in the that that he’s had some struggles and that that personally was something that I took offense to because I know about personal struggles and when somebody can’t identify that or doesn’t have the sympathy that for someone
That’s going through something like that that was not cool of Brooks and I get it though like they’re on the team together he’s the team captain but pull him aside don’t don’t say it you know and Brooks doesn’t have that capacity to hold back and not say something but I I gotta be
Honest with you though reading that I kind of got got the feeling that that there’s a WWE sort of feel to all this um because they they’re and I’m being serious too because I hear you they’re they’re trying to create this team concept the team like like I’ve been
Saying for a few months now that’s their business model right yeah so he’s shedding light on the fact that he’s the captain of the team and he’s putting some heat on one of his guys it’s got a little bit of a theatrical kind of feel
To it for me as in scripted or I wouldn’t say scripted but I would say scripted is that another Segway I would say narrative I hear you yeah I would agree with that for sure would anybody else be on a narrative or have a script that they were should should be
Following I don’t know what are you alluding to ad I don’t know Andy you’re the man that’s all over this kind of info yes I I am the uh the live arm of please uh Andy H darn with the live report so so our our esteemed colleague Mr Elliott was passing
Around um an article that that kind of showed some documents that were um basically a script for what Tiger Woods would say to players at a at a closed players meeting and tiger felt so strongly about it that he came out and denied that he knew
Anything about it or or uh you know certainly that he never had said those things or or participated in preparing those those things to be said so my first instinct because I’m always got my [ __ ] meter on high was that the documents might have been fake well it
Turns out that those documents were part of the record that was part of the lawsuits um so there’s something something interesting going on there um and Brank Brendan thanks for for sharing that stuff because you know the the more more that comes out about that the more weird it gets to me Brandon
Oh you know just just when I thought things were settling down a little bit um yeah so so they’re trying to Tim finchum in the tour is trying to get an injunction to to not an injunction what was it well yeah to to have these
Records not be shown or to get them ex from public record or whatever and I don’t know if he at this point if it even matters because the cats out of the bag that this was at least from what we saw something that they were thinking
About long before any of this came to light yeah yeah for sure which changes the whole narrative about any of this or or what they’ve been saying saying to the recent meetings after after it did become public well yeah so you’re a fan of w
We did this thing just take on is is is really Vince McMahon in the background with as the Puppeteer Vince mcmah is person or persons no but it almost feels like it’s it’s in the feeling of our grand political scheme right where people are just dealing in it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter
If it’s left or right right they’re both fing you that you’re yeah yeah I mean that’s that’s kind of what it feels like but you know I read another article today it might have been shared in our group as well um about you know how how this new structure that the
Players better vote for it because they’re going to be screwed and then you know Phil’s Phil’s kind of doing a Victory lap right now thinking that he knows everything that’s going on and and again it all keeps coming back to the team part of live um and I’ve I’ve said
It before I’ll say it again I believe that that’s what ends up emerging from all this is the team golf aspect of all of this um but I think it’s pure silliness for people to be taking a Victory lap here because it is far too
Soon it is far too soon thank you but and and then you you figure in this thing that Rory and tiger is starting up too which almost seems like a very similar entity although be it Prime Time and simulated it’s still the team aspect too yep yeah without without question
And honestly that’s what’s going to be that one’s going to be intriguing to me you know they’re going to go back to the more traditional calendar year no wrap around they’re going to squeeze this I I still think that’s where Liv Finds Its live live will be in if if it still
Exists will be that silly contest season in the in the latter half of the year that’s it probably just goes away in all honesty yeah I I do think that the team thing becomes becomes relevant and I I I know they’re going to attempt to do that
But I I the article that I read today intimated that that the Saudi public investment fund really has this Allegiance toward live becoming the thing in golf and I don’t see that at all I see how how s Saudi PF wanted a seat at the
Table and they have it now and as far as they’re concerned whatever happens amongst the entities of professional men’s golf doesn’t matter to them they’re they’re now involved but do you think to go back to your earlier statement and then we’ll move on uh because golf has somewhat been
Hijacked by some of the Bros and Liv is Liv is all about the Bros lives a bro a bro thing yeah I mean is is that where it if it has a survivability rate if somebody can revive it off the crash cart is that where it happens
Yeah I wish Bobby was here because he would say say the uh the line that he likes about the the collars and the regular spikes versus soft spikes I mean everything changes and yeah and if we don’t like the bro brosit and all these guys taking over golf Allen you see them
You’re you’re hitting the register keys because they’re there they are there they’re they’re they are they’re pounding some dogs and doing some [ __ ] there’s no doubt about it the beverage beverage there’s no doubt about it that is too funny but also true and and to your point print and yeah that’s
What’s going on in the business right now yeah and yeah maybe we I mean all all three of us and if Bobby was here we all have a long gated history in the business and there has been I mean we were hitting for Simmon Woods we’ve then
Had Pickering hard collars we went to all this so we have seen a massive evolution in the game but to Andy’s continual point it’s all about the venues it’s all about the you know the events I think that I think that was displaced this past week with Ricky
Because the venue in the event wasn’t NE no offense to the rocket mortgage but I mean neither of them were it was a great Donal Ross golf course but yeah they shot 20 some under no no no that Ricky thing could have been great anywhere right yeah just just just like just like
The uh the Canadian open I mean the Canadian open was about the the players again change the players to use Mark um Mark’s comment that week on our show you know the players save the game that it all comes back to the players yeah but but the Canadian
Open all all of the the hype about the Canadian open as it played out was because the Canadian won his National Championship so it was the event right was I mean it could have been could have been Adam hadwin it could have been Corey Connor it could have been you know
Taylor pendrith whatever you know whatever canadi but it was the event that was the star there so so the star this week is this little place up in Monteray yeah and the event is the women’s US Open which teed off this morning Thursday and ladies first time on
Pebble Brendon I haven’t watched yet um but since it is on the West Coast Coast I’m still oh it’s on till 10 o’clock tonight yeah I I’m interested for sure even though I haven’t started watching to see um how the USGA set this up for the ladies um because we’ve SE we’ve
Seen the US Open and Renditions with with tigers just dominance and grah mcdow’s win and you know it can play many different ways and I think anything in California has a lot to do with weather um so again I haven’t paid any attention so far um I don’t know if you
Guys have tuned in at all has weather been a factor a a little I think the weather’s like I saw the forecast is going to be 60 60 60 and 60 yeah with like with like 10 to 15 M hour winds well that’s gonna be good
Yep yep so how’s the rough how are they playing the rough for them though they’re playing it down they’re not they’re not not improving their lies no I’m I’m saying is is is it no [ __ ] really no no the r the luck the rough looks looks pretty
Healthy really yep I’m looking on I’m looking right here minus four is in the house yep right now how many underpar that’s always my factor in open how many under par are they going to get to or no no no how many are under par at this moment oh uh good chunk
Under par is there okay yeah um there’s a lot of Threes twos and ones that’s pretty good for day one and how many fans are there that’s the big question looks like about 20 play looks like about 20 players are under par right now yeah that’s good site I’m looking at doesn’t have
The number so if you saw me I was trying to do a quick count so there’s a there’s a weird dynamic for me for for ladies majors and I don’t I don’t get it but it’s sure especially the ladies US Open produces some Oddball winners you’re right yep I mean I don’t
Know why it it makes no sense to me um but but if you look at at the leaderboard there’s definitely some names on that leaderboard that are not the names you would expect up there honestly if you look at the uh leaderboard right now I would say nobody in the
Top well certainly down first name that jumps out of Me not until you get to about one two underpar yeah yeah yeah there’s like half the half the underpar players here’s Liz Lizzie MaGuire she’s at minus one um but here’s I’m gonna throw this name at knocking at the door Rose Zang yeah she’s gonna be spectacular she really
Is yeah you know to Andy to your point I was just thinking about it there’s I think one of the things when women’s professional golf is the fact that there’s there’s a handful that the distance thing comes into play but in general it’s it’s a different game that
The ladies play it’s more about Fairways and green and less about bomb and gouge and and I think that kind of levels the playing field quite a bit so that’s in my opinion that’s where you’re G to get you know these winners you’re like huh I didn’t see that one coming you
Know yeah there’s two amers in the top six um no sorry three AMS in the top six Amari Avery being one of them yeah that’s a HomeTown kind of yep he’s a southern Calgary girl so it’s just a really odd leaderboard I mean here’s an interesting
Question actually I wish we did have I mentioned Riley earlier I mean or and you know I wish we had one of Samantha or one of the you know one one of the ladies on here what do they consider I mean they have five Majors which to them is the most
Important that’s an interesting that’d be an interesting question I I’ve never asked I think that’s a great question and I wonder if moving the Chevron from the desert to Houston you know knock that down a peg or two I I would think so yeah because there was so much history with that
Because of the venue you talk about venue and that was the thing with that yep that may have dropped that from like like maybe third to maybe the Bottom now yeah could could be because I I would think the US Open see I would think number one yeah yeah US Open
KPMG um the open the open and then maybe a tossup for the other two Chevron and the Evon yeah so anuka and Michelle we are both playing this week which I think is pretty cool yeah um both of them didn’t Faire so well today I think anuka was eight over and
Michelle weed was seven over but um I mean a little shout out to both of those ladies yeah it was good to see him in in the field for sure yeah they’ve had a a pretty large impact on on the ladies game all right Andy it’s around that
Time you always you handle the live golf news you usually throw us a I don’t be that guy do you have one or we gonna throw it over to be you know I don’t have a don’t be that guy this week um I do oh I I I appreciate that
Brandon do be that guy that takes off for you ready for it yeah don’t be that guy that never goes into the shop to get his range bucket but always seems to be on the range with a basket full of range balls I saw a guy the other day with
Three baskets in his trunk as he’s getting his CLS out and who knows how long ago he purchased or collected those from the side of the range or whatever but don’t be that guy buy your range balls yeah that’s pretty Che let me let me piggyback on that which is when you
Do buy the range balls and if you buy the extra bucket don’t feel that that plastic green bucket that you get there which costs us money needs to go in the trunk of your car right come back I don’t know three months later terrible I got some in my
Car admit but I go I go to the course all the time all right 18th green Mr hydorn okay so um I’m gonna be don’t be that guy with my own 18th green thing here and by no means am I am I roasting the best senior player in the history of the game
Um who just broke Hal Irwin’s record Bernard langard with his win at the US Senior Open last week um but I in the process of putting together a Tik Tok video this is the most amazing thing in the world to me that guy has the full-blown Yips right now
Like the full-blown Yips and I’ll share my video with you guys when I’m done with it his his hands are shaking all over the place on all of his putts he’s yipping full swings I mean it is unbelievable and he still is the best senior player ever and
Still won the US Senior Open last week by boogie in the last three holes and still winning by two shots so you know kudos to Bernard Langer for being who he is and it’s even more amazing that he does it knowing how much he’s struggling with the the flinches
Be so I was gonna just go back to what we were talking about a little bit earlier as my final thought you know with all the changes and um the different Evolutions that golf goes through it still comes back to the game and that’s one thing that we can always
Uh know about golf is we talk about venues as Andy is a fan of and I am too and I’m sure you are ad but we talk about the players too Ricky winning last week I don’t care if you’re a bro or a boomer or anywhere in
Between seeing stories like a Ricky or a Monday qualifier it comes back to the game of golf and these guys golfing their ball um so whether you got you know that strap on your sunglasses and your and you’re uh drinking watching the tournament and or if you’re a quiet please
Traditionalist golf is Golf and we can all enjoy it yeah great point I Echo that I agree and mine is uh actually a sad one which I just found the story and I decided share this when you’re 20 years old you’re playing your first US Open I’m
Gonna butcher I’m not even going to tempt her name she’s from Thailand don’t use your Rangefinder and get dced three holes in damn are you serious three holes in first US Open ever DQ don’t use your Rangefinder oh how do how do you not know that in your caddy come on the caddy
Apparently used it like four times can we talk about how they all should be able to use those damn things though well and actually that’s where I really where I was going it yeah I’d rather get see him get rid of the whole you know the uh the greens guides and
And use you know put the put the challenge of the of the game back into putting yeah yeah and and and then who cares if maybe hell the range finders May speed up play 100% five hour uh final round of the Masters just saying it’s all I got anything else boys big three
Golf there you go
