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4 years ago I really screwed up my swing watching golf videos on youtube. It took me 2 months to get it back to being repeatable and natural feeling. I had to discard all the things that didn't work for me…..lag release after the ball, shallow it out, etc. It is about having fun and getting exercise and being social and supportive to the people you are playing with….score is way down the list. Like the video!
I’ve never understood this concept. It seems like it kills all the speed that your wrists can produce. When I tried doing this I hit low trajectory stingers with very fat divots. The backspin was wild but I literally broke clubs trying to do this and it was hard on the body, hands and wrists.
I love this guy. So many people are teaching as if everyone is a 25 year old athelete
My dream is to see every top rated social media golf instructor collab on one video and watch them fight it out.
Brandon has moved up the food chain! Getting some top doggs 🙂
I loved this video and Brian's perspective. Another coup for team BBG.
TGM says that the motion with the right hand is an "underhand" pitch motion. Keeping the left wrist flat after impact is possible if the hands travel around to the left, but as Brian says, not mandatory, according to Mr. Kelley. To his point, at the Pebble Beach Womans Open, 17th hole, many of them, and I have the video, look like he says about the club champions. You wouldn't want the hands to lead the head too much with a driver but in the irons, definitely. I was also a Ben Doyle student, and I can tell you, having taken lessons from a few different TGM AI's, they all have a slightly different take on what Mr. Kelley doesn't call "mandatory," but they are pretty universal in what is. Manzella is in the extreme of TGM instructors. I don't know that he's actually considered an AI, formally, anymore, honestly.
I believe the flip comes from forgetting to present shaft lean, then hitting at the ball more, less focussed on the target. You have to see (in your minds eye and actually) where your hands should be for each type of shot. Without it you’re dead.
Remember how I told you a million times to swing left? Your guest just showed you that. Obviously that is what I meant and tried to explain. Easier said than done for many though.
Teach Real golf VS Pro golf.
Brian, hey you're looking great- fit and trim!. I'm still hitting a soft draw. LOL. I sure enjoy your style.
I'm sure he knows more about the swing than I ever hope to know – but, he's far from an effective communicator – he talks a lot, but doesn't say much?
I think each individual player’s mind processes information differently.
You need to find the correct teacher for your mind.
For example: some people function best with a swing that it’s arm driven and the body follows. Others work the opposite where the arms follow the body (body driven). If the arm guy is working with a body rotation instructor, he will be messed up.
If you take a divot you've got the elusive shaft lean simple
TGM ideas have ruined countless golf swings. But this is an interesting video. Noteworthy for the fact that Brendon didn't hit a single shot.
wow. I learned absolutely nothing.
I like how Brendon instinctively moved further & further away from Manzella as he blathered on.
I like to see a collab with mikebendergolf.
Who are these instagram coaches? I don’t know any good coaches that teach positions. The good ones teach flowing athletic movements. I wonder who Mr. Manzella is referring to as instagram teachers? I only pay attention to coaches that show students making progress. I’m sure Mr Manzella is a fine coach but he only posts himself blabbering about theory and never posts students swings.
He talks about teaching grip. On tour there is no one grip being used, there all different.
David Wutzer. Not sure I spelled his name right, but took lessons from him at El Dorado in Long Beach in the early 90s. Really good man. Wonder if he's still alive and his son was one hell of a golfer.
Some myths are meant to be broken and I think Brian is right on this. It's freeing hearing him say this, I'm looking forward to getting to the range. Makes sense intuitively.
I like Brian' video about Freddy Couples releasing the club! No handle dragging!
Not only do pros have more speed they are playing irons with more loft and higher cg's. Modern irons I would assume have been designed for amateurs who generally deliver too much loft with traditional lofts.
Recently I've watched Claude Harmon giving lessons on here to average players and never once did he mention hands forward (or backwards) at impact.
His main concerns were..Proper set up (including a good grip) good rotation, and weight going backwards and weight going forwards.
It was simple instructions that most (if not all) average golfers can relate to and do.
Obviously like a lot of things in life, some will do it better than others.
Most of youtube coaches relate to (and show images of) top pros hitting balls. Most of these top pros have been hitting 1000s (if not millions) of golf balls since they were 5 years old, and it has no bearing on the ordinary average golfer.
Fantastic, great to see Brian on your channel. This is going to be very interesting. Can't wait for the next videos to come out.
Interesting statement about social media expert instruction, but is it wrong? If we accept what he says is true about club champions, we will never know for sure, but he is probably correct, that does not mean that we hackers should not attempt to copy the best players on the planet. It has been proved empirically and scientifically that if we want consistent contact, control of the club face and maximum compression that the club should be leaning forward at impact. The vast majority of professionals do this to some degree or other. Club champions, and hackers, can play scratch golf with non text book golf technique – fact. But the point to remember is that we cannot do it consistently because it requires perfect timing. If we have shaft lean and stability our consistency rating goes up. So should we not attempt to follow the Pros? One does not have to be a contortionist or elite athlete to do this. Just as there is no right way to swing a golf club, only an optimum way, social media commentators should not be described as being wrong. Although it provides could click bait!
I have been a Golfing Machine student and mentor for over 20 years of my 59 years of golf. This, since I worked with Lynn Blake and Ted Forte for a week down in Georgia. At that time I became acutely aware there were ideological differences in the understanding of the Golfing Machine by its highest "apostles". Granted, Manzella has all of the look and sound of a TGM aficionado. But during the years of his insatiable ego and rapid fire self-promotion there is noone who has done more for the obfuscation, misunderstanding, and down right wrong understanding of TGM. He basically cherrypicks Homer Kelley's knowledge for his narcissistic needs and selfpromotion while being offensive in manner. He is an authoritarian and considers himself 100% right. Just question him on the basic physics of his teaching and he freaks. His damage to any general acceptance of TGM has been palpable and painful to watch.
Lotta hot air in this one
Thank you Brian! Finally someone speaking the truth.
So much talking with out much teaching!
A lot of stories, but there was not the amount of helpful swing info your videos normally contain.
This guy must be a picker, but we'll never know
Yup. That was me when I was square to square. I hurt my back and shot in the 80s all the time. I have been following Malaska for the last year and I just parred my course three times in the last 10 days. I'm 73, I've been shot in both legs and I have stenosis in my back and arthritus in my thumbs. You don't need to try and be a beast out there. You need to relax and allow the club to release with a grip that emulates the way your hands hang. Then, just swing the club head ala. Ernest Jones. I hit every fairway the last time I played the course at home. I am not John Rahm. I am who I am and I need to forget all the technical mumbo jumbo that does not work for me.
In that opening, Brian must have been talking about the Senior Net Club Champion. I almost watched the whole vid for a laugh, but I can't get that 19 minutes back.
As always with Manzella; what is your point?! Make a point!
Someone needs to hold a podcast or something between Mike Malaska and Brian, and have them discuss about how golf instructions could do more harm than good for the top talents.
Just simple projectile physics .
There is nothing new about lower swing speed golfers suffering with too much forward shaft lean.
There are differences between hitting irons when the ball is on the ground and hitting a driver where the ball is teed up.With irons with ball on the ground ,golfers can not have negative shaft lean or else they will hit behind the ball. With zero shaft lean golfers will not be able to hit the ball in high enough grooves to hit the ball solidly as the iron is designed .So forward shaft is required to hit irons solidly .
But golfers with lower clubhead speeds will lose distance if they deloft the clubhead beyond a minimum amount.
With a driver when the ball is teed up, golfers no longer need to have forward shaft in order to hit the ball in the sweet spot of the driver. For golfers with slower swing speeds , they should be concerned more with achieving sufficient height without excessive spin and not focus on forward shaft lean at impact
Brian Manzella AKA circular ranter seems to have an unhealthy issue with Social Media Instructors and "handle draggers". Every video I have seen of him is just him ranting.
Sorry to give you a thumbs down, but this was not a good video. There may be some solid gold in here, but why make me dig it our of the ground? Plus, the mower in the background was annoying.
Mr Manzella for all his bluster does not seem to understand the concept of low point and the ability to compress a ball. At the very beginning of the video he demonstrates an iron impact position with slightly negative shaft lean . With this position it is impossible to hit the ball as the iron is designed ; his low point is slightly behind the ball. At best case scenario with perfect timing a golfer will hit the ball low on the clubface with such a low point . Much more likely is to hit the ball slightly fat or thin . There is no golfer in the history of golf , who compresses the ball when hitting an iron off of the ground when his low point is slightly behind the ball .
That is not to say that most club golfers would benefit from the amount of shaft lean similar to the average touring pro.Most club golfers lack sufficient clubhead speed to launch the ball high enough and would sacrifice distance with such forward shaft lean.
Mr Manzella has presented a number of videos on using the “ Hackmotion sensor”. It seems hypocritical to both advocate using the “ Hackmotion sensor” and suggesting that golfers hit irons with negative shaft lean at impact
The problem with trying to learn from YouTube videos is threefold
1. You need a good knowledge of the golf swing to really understand the concepts presented in many of these YouTube videos.Just isolating one idea without understanding how this idea is related to the rest of the swing is a recipe for failure
2. Few club golfers possess the athletic skills to really apply these concepts
3. Any golfer needs feedback from a trained eye to make sure that they are not repeating old mistakes and applying correct concepts . Just watching YouTube videos lacks a trained eye
Manzella looks better with that weight off than he has in years and he's never hurting for enthusiasm .Video; maybe it was my computer but for some of this tape , I was getting feedback from another tape ( was it my equipment OR was it in fact on this tape ? ) .
An open clubface is a major problem for many golfers , not because the clubface is open per se, but due to the compensations in the swing that are required to square the clubface .
That is why it is so vital to make a takeaway / early backswing in which the clubface is not open or even slightly closed