What defines a winner in football? talkSPORT’s Jim White and Simon Jordan have their say!

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46 Comments

  1. I am a Liverpool fan and they use to say the same thing about Liverpool when they came second and it got me worked up. Rio is spot on! Arsenal have had a great season but they are not winners. You have to win to be a winner! Praise them for their improvement but do not overshoot and call them winners!

  2. Ferdinand can't choose to champion 'Winning Mentality' and say 'Ole at the Wheel' at the same time. Ferdinand needs to choose one.

  3. "the spectrum of winning" no it's not a spectrum, it's binary you win or you lose.
    You don't "win" for coming second, I'm sure these would also be the guys to complain about participation trophies

  4. Simon problem you think you are the only clever person in the world. Having a winning mentality and being a winner are 2 different things😏

  5. Rather listen to Simon all-day than Rio boring on the fence man utd boring boring boring boring please!

  6. A "winning mentality" wouldn't have seen Arsenal draw those 3 fixtures before getting turned over by City, at the business end of a season.

  7. Rio is spot on arsenal have a brilliant season yes it was it there hands but nobody remembers second place

  8. Doesn't have to be a trophy attached (IMO) Arsenal have won a place in the Champions League and Newcastle are pretty close too.

  9. Niether are Utd these days will Rio admit that?? Seems not after his pop at Emery and Villa.

  10. How can 1 man gang up on 2 people by talking facts, we dont care what you're view on what winner means we all know what it means and arsenal arent winners

  11. Rio, Neville and all these ex Manchester United players hate Arsenal. They are smug and too big-headed. The fact they would prefer Man City says everything.

  12. Rio Ferdinand is a twat, the disrespect he showed to Emery the other week was completely uncalled for and showed him up as a proper knob

  13. "I am marginally right" … is a cop out of a response, Simon, and you know it. You were smoked by Rio here

  14. Sorry but Ferdinand is living in the past still . Abd bext sesson will be lucky to finish top 6th . Liverpool with a few key signings will be challenging again . Chelsea with a proper mansger in should be challenging, arsenal i don't think iys a one season wonder as the second half of last season was brilliant. Newcastle will only strengthen each year and obviously city is city, where as United now to me is just a toxic club fans want owners out, half there squad isnt good enough apary from there midfield and rashford and varane whos ageing a bit now there squad is average so unless they have a major clear out and heavily invest which i dont think there owners will i think at best theyd come 5th but with the likes of villa and brighton want to be pushing aswell for those positions and spurs depending what happens with kane and the manager it xould be a difficult season for them

  15. I think it is "winning" vs "being successful"… there are no derivatives of winning in sports, you either win or you lose. However, you may be successful, even without winning a title or a trophy.

  16. Liverpool came 2nd by a point 97 and 98 points rival fans hammered liverpool in the banter pages for coming 2nd regardless they got the highest points for coming 2nd.
    Arsenal are not winners 😮 they bottled it. City gave Arsenal a chance and lowered the difficulty level this season to hard where as Liverpool was up against city on world class level

  17. they won a lot more games than they lost. so isn't that winning? and they do have a trophy under Arteta, the F A Cup, rememberthe one United bottled?

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