Join us for the premiere episode 01 of “Coaches’ Corner” as we go behind the scenes of one of the most dominant victories in Ryder Cup history.
We’re sitting down with a very special guest, Anders Forsbrand, who was the sole vice-captain for Bernhard Langer’s European team that achieved a landslide victory on American soil at Oakland Hills in 2004.
Anders will share personal anecdotes from that historic win, discussing the one-on-one dynamic with Langer and how they managed to unite a team of big personalities like Colin Montgomerie and Lee Westwood with young rookies like Ian Poulter and Luke Donald.
We’ll also explore the coaching revolution in golf. How did they prepare their strategy without modern data and analytics? And how would today’s technology, like the WatchitGolf apps, have been a game-changer in their decision-making? We’ll bridge the gap from 2004 to the recent European victory in 2025, discussing how the role of a captain has evolved from pure intuition to a blend of data and human insight.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
* The feeling and team chemistry behind Europe’s record-breaking 2004 win.
* The contrast between traditional coaching methods and today’s data-driven strategies.
* How modern tools could have influenced pairings and strategy at Oakland Hills.
* Anders’ perspective on the legacy of winning on the road and his advice for the next generation of Ryder Cup hopefuls.
Don’t miss this fascinating conversation! Tune in for the live stream on October 10th and get a rare glimpse inside the Ryder Cup ropes. #watchitgolf #coachescorner #golf #rydercup #europe #us #andersforsbrand #lukasznowatkowski #patrichornsternnilsson
[Music] I think hey Heat. Heat. N. [Music] [Music] [Music] Hey, I think I think [Music] All right. All right. Welcome to the first episode, Watch It Golf Podcast. I’m your host, Lucas Novatkovski. And joining me as always, my co-pilot and man behind the magic, Patrick Holston Nilson. Patrick, my friend, the 2025 Ryder Cup was coming else, right? Thank you, Lucas. Yeah. Uh, it was truly amazing. I mean, the first two days almost all blues. I mean there was blue all over the place and European team played really really well and everybody thought it was going to be a walk in the park on Sunday. But as we all know Sundays are special and it was a struggle all the way and a battle all the way into the to the last hole. So it was a truly amazing competition. Yeah, that was that was so and that actually brings us in into today’s topics and we have an special guest with us today, a true friend of ours. Uh he was the Ryder Cup captain of the 2004 team. Uh and um they did a tremendous job in on foreign soil and managed to win even though back then. So u welcome Anders Forcebrand our friend. Yeah. Hi. Well, hi Anders. Yeah, the stage is yours. You you can try to talk about more about yourself because we are always lying. That’s okay. Yeah. No, it it was an amazing game, Anders. And can you give us some u some thoughts about this year’s Ryder Cup? Yeah, I think it was uh what they did the first two days was absolutely incredible and it was not like the US team was playing poorly either because I think the Europeans in the foromes the first day was 16 under par and the second day the the American team was 16 under and still got beat. So it was not like they played poorly. It was just tremendous golf and I think they Sunday they were tired as well. I mean, it was a lot of pressure on these guys, and as soon as the other team starts getting their flag on the board, then it gets uh gets a bit nerve-wracking. And uh obviously the crowd was um definitely on one side of the like like it is in Europe, too. But it was it was a bit absolutely. Yeah, of course. But we we we cannot be able to talk about the crowd, right? Because everybody talking about this now. And uh for sure uh we inviting you for uh for a listening from you how was in 2004 because there there were no technology everything was manually created and how it was. It was it was great. I mean, what what Bernard did straight off, he said that you go and talk to all the guys to the crowd and sign as many uh signatures as well or and make sure that you get them on our side. And um we played great. I mean, they were fantastic. And it was really cool. Um, I think that the how Sutton made a mistake when he put Phil and and Tiger together. First of all, the two best players on the team and put them together. They might not be as good. And um, it was a funny story. There’s an Irish little caddy on the side of the first tea the first day and Phil hits one way way left and then Tiger hits a one way way way right and he goes that’s how much they love each other. Oh like me the right is something like me. Yeah, right of uh Yeah, it would have been the good one. Uh but it it it’s it’s so cool to see when when uh the pressure is on. I mean there’s I would say the Augusta the back nine is probably the most pressure apart from Ryder Cup. And it to see the the top golfers in the world play under that pressure and play that well. I is really really amazing. That’s cool. But I I’ve read because uh I did not did not watch this uh this event, but I’ve read that the European dominated everybody is saying that it is the landslide victory on American soil. Yeah, it it’s still the largest win for the Europeans over there. And uh in the beginning, I mean, we got hammered most of the time and this was this was a big big win. And it was cool. I mean, it was still a lot of games that went to 18 or 17 18. So, there was more it was tighter than the number. Uh, but they they played extremely well. Yeah. But, uh, how was the feeling of the final part dropped? It was relief, pure joy, or were you guys just ready for a big party? No, I mean it’s it is a relief because there there’s so much pressure on every single guy out there and there’s somebody who’s going to hold it, right? And um it’s just wonderful to see and you see it on the guys when they when they know it is their pipe. Um so it it yeah it was not it was a good party but it was not nothing. Um everybody was uh pretty good the following day. Nobody nobody did the layer of plane. Uh, no. No, that was boring. Yeah. But uh I’m curious about the about the vi be like a vice captain and uh in the past because uh you were burnout langers only vice captain right and these days captains have a lot and whole crew of assistants. What was that one onone dynamic like? What was your specific role? Because without technology, how you you are the good cup or the bad cup or you be a guy who brought the snacks for Bernard. Sorry for this, but I have to do this. No, he um he called me and he said, “I want you to go up and check out the golf course for two days and then you tell me what how how it is and how it’s going to be played.” uh because we haven’t picked the the two picks that we had. And so I went up there and looked at everything and gave my interpretation of uh how it was and then we picked the players according to how the golf course was set up. So, we had six names that we were going to pick from and um it was clear that two or three of them was not on um on the paper after after we’ve seen how the golf course looked. Um so, Mhm. Yeah. But, uh but uh for sure you you had a serious characters, right? Monty, Lee Westwood, also young guys like Donald and Palter. How did you guys get all those different personalities in Jal and work as one? Because in my mind where you thought yes, this is the team is uh this team is special. Well, they I I think both sides they come under I mean there’s a lot of talk about the American team that they don’t whatever fit together or whatever. I I I disagree. I think every player that’s on one of these teams they they want to be there. They play a year or two and Europeans is two years to try to get on the team. And it it’s such an honor to be on it and you just want to help your your team partners. And uh they they played tremendously well, all of them. And there was there was was two guys that didn’t play as well, but you only need to play eight guys the first two days if you I mean you you don’t have to play all 12. uh good to play all of them one way or another to so they especially if they’re rookies on the team. Yeah, for me as a youngest Yeah, sorry. Sorry Patrick, but for me as a youngest guy here from from our team here, it’s always difficult to think even how you get to be prepared, how you are looking at the players play without social media, videos and etc. How how was it look like? Well, I can’t remember when the first Sony camera came out and we got like eight pictures on a whole golf swing and we thought that was thing that ever happened and but you you trusted your your coach that you had. Um that that’s that’s pretty much what we did and we we relied on the ball flight a lot and Okay. And you I mean now we know more because we we have all this fantastic stuff like watch your golf and trackman and foresight that you understand the numbers how the golf ball actually does what it does. Uh but in those days it’s a little bit more guesswork then than it was than it is now. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We talk a lot about these topics you and me Anders about the technology today compared to what you days. Uh but I really would like to go into uh the strategic perspective mixing up the team or the players playing together. How how did you guys look into that? Um, Bernard gave out uh pieces of paper and uh to all the 12 players and he was the only one that saw what they wrote. Uh, if there were guys that um wanted to play with somebody or didn’t want to play with somebody. Uh, but then obviously they’re in it’s also in the foresome that golf ball is important. So, if you’re playing two different golf balls, then that wouldn’t won’t work. Uh, but if you if you’re playing the same golf ball, then it’s much much easier. But you got to know the guys. I mean, one one partnership was pretty cool, I think, when uh with Sergio. Um Sergio and Luke uh and Sergio and Westwood. I mean, they’re completely different characters, but they they gel so well together. So, you need to find those things out. And and today, obviously, they they’re doing so many different personality tests and all that stuff. We saw we saw Yeah. But but you I mean you have to go on more on the on your gut who who like but Bernard asked also who who do you like and who do don’t you like um so there there’s there’s some players that you struggle playing with and there are some that you love playing with. I I presume it’s the same when we go out and play golf today. Uh if we go back to the technology of today, if you had those opportunities back then, what kind of data or insights would you use back then if you had the opportunity? Uh like the launch monitors and video tools and everything. Is that something you you had would have used back then? I think I think the biggest key is that when you’re playing well and hopefully striking it well as well, then that’s when you want all the numbers on the golf swing and you can see what all the different angles or setup or lies on the clubs or all you have all the data and when you start playing poorly, you can see the differences. That’s where I think the big big key is because I think you only tried to hit certain numbers you that might I mean it’s one thing to hit on a launch monitor compared to playing the game. I mean it’s a total difference being on the range or in a simulator comparing getting a specific shot shape or specific distance. So, of course, uh it’s a it’s a big difference there. And and and that’s brings me into if you look at all the amateurs out there right now playing the game, playing in the simulators and everything. Uh do have we lost anything from with the game now when the all the launch monitor is on the market, everything. It’s more of sometimes more about an entertainment system than playing the actual game in in my mind anyway because you can see on when you’re out playing on the courses, nobody um nobody thinks about how to hit the shot, what what almost never um what club to use or whatever. They just go from the um from the uh the the yardage book or whatever and then they try to hit the number but they they are not sure about how far they hit the ball even but they still have using a watch or uh um yard um what does it call the laser laser yes the laser but as as we know for an amateur the carry distance might change between 120 yards on a 7 iron up to 160 yards on a 7 iron on on the same person depending on how you hit the ball on different days. And you shouldn’t tell me this. No, no, I know. We have seen that on the course for for sure. Thank you. And I think we have lost a little bit of the the fun on the golf course some because when I was a young kid and I think you also Anders, we have fun on the golf golf course. We played jungle golf as we called it in Sweden from tea number one to green number four and and all over the place and and maybe from a banker on the part five to a part three green and and so on. We learned how to play the game that way. And I think we lost a little bit of that. When they when they go out and play, they they they have a set number how far a club goes. Yeah. It’s pretty simple. you go and you take whatever eight 10 balls and of the balls that you normally play with and then you hit say 10 balls and you take the shortest one and the and the longest one away and then you have an average of X uh and then then you I mean you have to to put that on a sheet unless you remember everything u because I I I don’t think they they know how before they hit it. They expect to hit it perfect. And I mean, they’re hardly ever over a green except when they’re going to hit a little wedge and top it. But, uh, that that’s the that’s what the pros do. I mean, they they know exactly how far they hit it, but they measure measure and measure. And that’s why they got the yardage books when they play on the golf course, too. Yeah. How far they hit it and how far it rolls or comes back or whatever on each green. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I believe that’s something amateurs should learn from because uh if we ask 10 15 amateur players, I’m not sure if nobody actually can tells the the the yardage yardage they hit with each club. I don’t I’m not sure they know it. And golf is too difficult to guess actually. You you need to know. Yeah. And that that’s I mean I think the beauty with watch golf is that it’s so simple to take on the course and it is actually on the golf course that you swing much closer to the true swing on the on the range is not the same. Um so it it’s you should learn a lot if you use it on the golf course and and practice tournament is tournament if you’re playing a tournament on your home golf course. But if you want to go out and practice, go out by yourself and and and hit more balls and and start understanding and realizing that wow, if it’s blows like this, then the ball goes this far. And I mean to to start to to look at the game differently, but everybody wants to just go and play. And yeah, and measure and measure distance. If if somebody talk about the the play, the average golfer always asking about distance, right? Is your application showing the distance? Yeah, absolutely. We show all show all the numbers. Uh that could be interesting for for a player. U we have the same number numbers as the big big uh companies out there. And what uh what difference us from from the others is actually not the numbers and the launch monitor. It’s the quality of a video uh that we produce for each shot on the player and the possibility to actually take a lesson from a coach all from all over the world. Okay. Okay guys, I’m taking the moment for a commercials. I want to take a moment to talk about the tools that make this podcast and the data analysis you hear every week possible. We spend so much time on this show breaking down how to use your data to get the bur, but all of that starts with having the right data in the first place. 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On the screen you see the link where you can register as a coach in watch it golf academy and QR code provide you the link to our application you can download and get your golf performance possibility bear. Take care and have a nice day. See you. We are back. Okay. But uh but you know if I’m joining to the team joining to the team like an RDER cup team right the what what the vice captain doing with with players you are the like a mental coach or what? Yeah we we were or they still are not able to speak to the players during when they are playing. It’s only the captain that can talk to them. Um but during the practice days I mean you’re just a servant. I mean, if they tell you to go and get bananas, you go and get bananas. If what whatever it might be, I mean, you you just try to help him with as much as you can and then help help the captain to be a see something. um say that something is getting firmer on on either a green or a fairway, you just message it over to to uh to the captain and say, “Hey, make sure that these guys are don’t not going to hit it further uh than this on this hole.” Yeah, but you you were alone, right, in the past? Uh no, uh Hegma and Thomas Bern was captains as well. So, all right. Um, but we had and hit it in the in the ditch on four. I think it’s four. Um, and and Bernard said, “How how can you do that? You know how far it is. I mean, you can’t hit it there.” And but when we messaged that over to him, he stood on that T- box and they Nobody got close to that. Okay. But that’s that’s I mean, he he hardly ever in his whole career made a mistake. I mean, he he’s so thorough and he was so thorough in everything. It it’s it’s amazing to just know him and understand what he’s achieved in his career. Yeah. But where the coaches but but how it how it look like then because the every player has their own coaches, right? Yeah. The coaches are in or not. Yeah. they’re they’re range or whatever and walking with them and but then uh when you go play I mean you’re on your own and the captain is the only one and the caddy you obviously can talk to but otherwise you you just go and play and how will be from the coach perspective Patrick because you are yeah you were on the second plan as a coach right then what you mean captain is the most important and if the player came with the coach goes in the is on the backstage. Yeah, obviously I’m not a coach for some of the players in Ryder Cup, but u I I I truly believe that uh it’s it’s more about a mentorship uh and you need to be uh a person that they they truly trust and believe in and can lean on. And uh so I think it’s more about about during these couple of weeks uh uh preparing and and during the the competition. I mean you just need to be there and being able to to to actually push them forward. Uh if you look into a a regular tournament, I mean uh if you go into the players I’ve coached for for ex for example the qualification for the European tour or whatever. Uh the difference uh I would say uh now if I go into the technology stuff compared to when I worked with players on trying to qualify for the European tour uh then I needed to be on site to help them and with the tools now and with watching golf you actually can just give you say tell them to use the application and send videos directly to me wherever I am. So that’s uh the technology forefront uh which is good for for the game and for the players uh and easy access to your coach wherever they are. So and vice versa for sure. Yeah, but but sometimes the players did not understand okay the rider cups team and or R cup team as we talk about and everybody understand numbers right but if we are talking about the average players or beginners if somebody talk about the some yeah spin axis or the uh or maybe the face angle there is a new one new one stuff in in years and there is almost impossible to understand and everybody think then the golf is so boring or too technology. It’s it’s actually a little bit easier and than you think uh reading the numbers, but for sure for an amateur, it’s it’s difficult to understand how the numbers uh um combine with each other and what um how a spin rate could change from an angle of attack perspective or shaft lean perspective and so on. and um uh how important it is to hit in the in the same window all the time to get the the good good quality carry distances all the time and so on. So uh the problem for an amateur I believe is nobody actually told them what to look into and explain what the number means and how you can use them for your education or in your education. Uh that’s the biggest problem today because most of my students anyway they play in in a simulator for fun and see the ball speed they see the club head speed and the smash is so cool to see but they don’t understand uh how they combine with each other and that that’s a problem because if you don’t understand the number and using a launch monitor uh I think you can get stuck on the numbers and forget how to swing the golf That that’s my opinion anyway. Yeah. Sometimes it’s different to play from mats, right? Oh yeah. The mats also I mean it’s a total different impact of the ball. Uh most of the time indoors anyway on the mats you’re hitting very high on the face because the the mats are quite thick but there’s no resistance in the mat mat. So the the when you hit the mat the ball jumps a little bit and hit high on the face and you can get less spin on the ball further distance thanks to that and so on and you don’t get the ball compress to compress. So um when you practice indoors it’s um you need to know what you’re doing for sure and and hitting from a mat compared to hitting from a grass is two different but this is quite quite funny right we are discussing about the spin rate and of course the accuracy of distance and then in the past right who who is told you about the spin rate nobody Uh the be the best story I have is that they took Ben Hogan’s clubs that he built himself and they checked them and they said there’s no way we can build them this good. No way. And that’s they say that they that can’t be done. So a guy like that understood exactly what he wanted to achieve with the golf ball. Absolutely. Exactly. And today it’s a little different. I mean, some of the players, they go into the bus and say, “Hey, this one turns the other way. I want it to go left instead of right.” And then they build it and then go out and hit it and goes left. So, I mean, changed. There’s a lot of big changes that’s happened. Uh, some are some are really good. Some are they’re not as creative today as as all the players were in the past. They’re um there are some are really creative and and sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I remember uh I think it was the two edition ball that spun like crazy compared to everything else back back then. I mean it was so but it was fun to play with it but it was very difficult. Yeah. Even most players today thinking that the ball is doesn’t matter. The ball is very important. I mean depending on your swing speed, your trajectory and stuff like that, it’s very necessary to to play with the correct ball. That’s maybe on the maybe Yeah, but maybe on the tour level, but most of the people putting the ball on the on the tea from the leg directly. Yeah, that that’s the problem because players like Anders, I mean, you Anders can play with whatever club you get in your hands and probably doesn’t matter what ball either because you’re going to learn pretty fast. But for an amateur, uh what kind of clubs you’re using? Uh is it the club that helping you to get airborne or is it a club that does something else? and and the ball is for sure important. Uh uh I mean look at the short game. If you’re playing a a soft ball or or a hard uh covered ball, it’s it it’s going to change how you play playing your short game and how the ball reacts with from the club to when it catch the green and so on. So I I strongly suggest for all my players that they should do a ball fitting. uh they don’t need to buy the most expensive ball, but for sure they need to know and play or at least play the same ball all the time. Not as you said, Lucas, picking the up the lake balls and playing titles one time and for one the next time. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them playing range balls as well. The game. Yeah. But if we go back to 2004 and there’s the the most funny story from that time, you remember some something? Oh, that was the Caddy was absolutely brilliant on the first on the first team when the Phil hit it one way and then Tiger the other way and he just goes that’s how much they love each other. I mean that he laughed so hard. I mean uh it it was it was funny. But was what was the faces of the of the players? They are fir there are fun as well and smile or not. No, there’s no smile. Not not from those two, but from all the other guys that of course. Yeah. The guys that play these big events, it’s just wonderful to watch them. uh what they’re able to do under the tremendous pressure, but they all want to be there. That’s the that’s the beauty. They want that pressure. Um and you look at it today, Ryder Cup is one of the most watched programs in in sports. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It the it is almost their most most popular in US especially, but in Europe as well, even in Poland. Yeah. It’s huge. I mean, yearly thing, Super Bowl is is big, but every other year golf I think or the Ryder Cup is is is up there. It’s first or second. I mean, it it there’s a lot of people watching. What do you think? Uh this is the spirit of this game. This is the different how we look at the live golf today. even that this is the uh tournament team me team uh yeah team sports or yeah team golf today I like it I I like live and I I think it’s I think it’s just sad that the the world rankings are not accepting it um for whatever reasons. Um but you look at the guys that are so good. I mean, there’s a lot of good players on that tour and uh I think for for golf in general, it’d be much better if they worked together and started being able to play more tournaments together instead of only their majors. I mean, it’s for golf that uh um the tours are not sitting down together and and work it out. No, I mean you you saw Bryson I think he only played six tournaments outside the league and qualified on the top six to be a part of the the Rder Cup team. So I mean of they are good they are good question. They’re really good. Yeah. And Bryson and Rahm was ranked before the Ryder Cup 80th in the world. Yeah. I mean that that’s completely incorrect. Yeah. But but how uh how the players make the confidence of what of the team because this is the team spirit all time right and how was in the past today we only checking the winning or the numbers or playing sometimes I do not understand in in live or write a cup or write a cup it’s the same I mean it’s everybody wants to be there everybody wants to play you if you’re on the team. It’s like being on the national football team or soccer. Does everybody love each other? Probably not. Do they want to win? Absolutely. Yeah. But but from a European standpoint, when you’re watching the TV broadcast and everything, it feels like the the team spirit in in the European team is much greater than compared to the US team. And it has been so for a couple of ride a cup events now in in my opinion anyway. How how can that be? Do we look at right a cup differently from I think of the ponds. I think it’s only media media’s been saying this for 50 years. Yeah. And it’s the same thing about certain people that are running countries around the world are hated in the media and some are loved in the media and then we get our own opinion about people. Uh but we don’t we still don’t know the people. Uh and I mean they I mean they backed Keegan Bradley big time and they everybody wanted to play on that team. So it it’s to me it’s Yeah, I don’t think there’s any difference. No, no, you might be right. Uh I mean it’s how it’s presented in the media, of course. Uh that’s a big big thing for for everything. And uh but but uh you know Luke Donald in in person I believe uh um if you look into him um as a the Ryder Cup captain, what in your opinion what did he do the last two times that actually make the the European win the Rder Cup? What did he do something special compared to other captains or what’s the case? I first I don’t know enough but I only hear what they what certain things they’ve done and obviously Eduardo Morinari is a big key point the person when when it comes to all the stats. Um so they lean on him a lot for a lot of different reasons. Um, I think I think Luke did some smart things about the crowd with the VR glasses and all that. I think that was really clever. Um, I think he prepared all the people or the players really well for what was going to happen. Um, it’s easy to say, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know.” But he he knew what was going to happen. I mean, New York is a tough it’s a tough crowd. Even if I mean, you look at the New York Yankees, if they don’t play well, I mean, they boo you. So, it’s a it’s a tough place to play. Uh, it doesn’t matter what sport it is. So, I think I think that is that’s what I see that he big made the biggest difference was how he prepared them. Yeah. Yeah. And one more time, we’re discussing about technology. Yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah, I think yeah. Yeah, I think we’re running out of time soon, but um I would I actually have one last question for you, Anders. Uh from a from your perspecting, uh having been been inside one of the greatest team ever. Uh what’s one piece of advice you can give to young players out there uh trying to catch the dream playing maybe playing in the Ryder Cup in the future? Uh I’m thinking about the practice. They’re thinking about playing on the course and and stuff stuff like that. If they’re young, if they’re really young, I I say have fun and play as much as you can. Just enjoy the game. uh when you get a little bit older, you need some good people around you, but you have to have fun. It needs to come from inside. If it doesn’t come, I mean, you’re not going to make it. So, you need Yeah. It needs to come from inside. And then you just got to I mean, it’s hard work, but it it’s well worth it if you want it. Yeah. live that live the dream because it is might be your dream but it it it’s still it’s still possible. Yeah. Just to get perspective of those things. We had a discussion you and me in private yesterday I believe about the amount of practice hour you put in during your your time as a player. And uh I was actually amazed about the hours you put in every single week. And please tell us a little bit about that because I think that’s truly amazing. And and um also tell us a little about bit about h how you can compare today’s practice with your practice. Well, I I counted the first few years. I counted every week how much time I spent on on the job golf, but it included the travel. Okay. But that was only in Europe, so it wasn’t a vast, but I did 80 hours a week and we had a meeting the other day and there was a business person there who ran some very large companies. And I said, “You um you probably do the same thing.” He said, “7 hours minimum every week.” He said, “And that’s not including travel.” So, it’s just it’s just hard work, but it it’s it’s if you love it, you will put the time in. And today, they do exactly the same. It’s just more um they’re so much more specific when it comes to the body works out. Workouts that we did was more just regular stuff. today they know exactly how to do it to create more speed in different areas of their body. So that that’s different. Um and they obviously understand the clubs in one way better than we did. Um but it I I think they put in the top guys put in the same amount of work that we did. All right. Yeah, for sure. Totally. Yeah. All right. Anders and Lucas, uh, this is has been truly amazing. Uh, thank you Anders for your time and your insights of the ride the cup and um, uh, everything. Uh, so thank you so much from the bottom of my heart and u, I hope to see you soon on the podcast again. Yeah. And of course from me this is the quite interesting interesting thing when I summarize this podcast this talk and we are all the time talking about the feeling all the talking about the fun from sport right but uh but now a little time is changing and everybody thinking about technology and this is for me quite uh quite difficult to understand sometimes and put uh all those things together because you always be in your back in your head. Then you should go with some launch angle or distance or spin axis or something because you are getting on right left and talk about with your friends around 20 in handicap and everybody wants to be the coaches. Yeah, that’s that’s the reason I think that’s my maybe why they are still on 20 in handicap. Maybe maybe that’s that’s the feeling. But but of course uh the the last thing I want to ask you Anders Yeah. What do what should the young guys or average players do if they want to break 80? personal perspective. No, no. I’ve trying I’m trying to break 90. Hello. But 80, of course. Then uh the hit a lot or some different. Well, first of all, get get somebody nearby or your pro to to understand how they play golf because it’s easy if you if if a person if I would tell you how to play golf if you want to make a score, you don’t want to play that way. But I would tell you to hit a five iron off the tea or seven iron off the tea and to to get it close to the green and you break 90 every day if I told you what to hit. uh but you don’t want to play that way. So to understand how to play the game is very very important. And when you look at the guys on on tour, they’re really really smart when they play golf. Yeah, it was brilliant conversation guys. And one thank you guys one more one more time the our guest Anders the host co-pilot Patrick and me Lucas thank you very much guys for listening us and take care bye bye thank you guys bye-bye [Music]
