Peter Jacobsen Cut in Front of Arnold Palmer. It Changed His Career.

Ryan French and Mark Baldwin speak with one of golf’s great ambassadors, Peter Jacobsen, who discusses the party he’s hosting at Monterey Peninsula Country Club, how cutting in front of Arnold Palmer changed his career, the state of the game, and gives Baldwin a Q school pep talk. Full episodes of Any Given Monday presented by Dad Water are available on Apple and Spotify.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a good one for you here today. We have with us a video game entrepreneur uh who’s figured out how to grow the game in bars worldwide. Some of some of my earliest memories in taverns involve his voice. Uh and that’s in no way traumatic. He also made the most famous tackle in Royal St. George’s history. That’s not a football club for those of you wondering. He’s a member of the Screen Actors Guild. Anyway you look at it, he owns a major golf championship. Uh oh yeah, he won seven PGA Tour championships. Uh was a member of the RDER Cup team. Ladies and gentlemen, we have with us the lead member of Jake Trout and the Flounders. It’s our good friend and golf’s great ambassador, Mr. Peter Jacobson. Hey guys. Boy, that’s quite a that’s quite an intro, Mark. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you for for being here, Peter. And we’re looking at your your shirt right now and you’ve got the golf party there. You’ve got How did that logo come about? That’s really good. Looks great. Well, it’s funny. Uh Huie Lewis and I, we played in the AT&T so many years together and we had so much fun. As you as you know, when we played together a couple of years ago, a couple years ago together, we were kind of lamenting the fact that the AT&T format was uh changed. Now it’s one of those money grabs on tour, one of those signature events, and there’s no longer celebrities. There’s very few amateurs. So Huie and I said, “Let’s get together and try to recreate that.” So we’re doing that actually this week here at Monterey Peninsula Country Club. And I didn’t know what to call it. We had no idea. So I started I started messing around with uh thoughts about playing in really high winds uh in our career at Monterey Peninsula on the Peninsula. So, I thought, well, you know, let’s mess around with a bent flag with the, you know, with the with the flag stick bent over 90 degrees. And I wrote the golf party underneath it. And my daughter, who works for me, she’s kind of the executive director of this thing, she said, I like it. Let’s go with it. So, it looks like it looks like something a nine-year-old would do. And that basically uh kind of tells you my my graphic design skills. A nineyear-old. Well, you make up for it everywhere else. I’m looking at the lineup here for the golf party, and as most people who follow golf know, you’re one of golf’s great ambassadors, and you know, you you’ve hosted a few more than a few events in your day, and you know how to throw a party. But Darius Rucker, Jake Owen, Dustin Lynch, uh Ben Recctor who played in that group with us at Pebble and AT&T. Um, you just go down the list, you’ve got Parker McGlaughlin, the short game chef, and there’s a name that interested me that I I mean, we may have to check his birth certificate on this. Joel Damon, how did he find his way in the lineup? Well, Joel is a very good friend with Ben. After after we played with Ben, he played in the AT&T with Joel, and I had asked Joel if he would come play the next two days as Ben’s partner, and he jumped at the chance. So, yep. Joel, he’s the youngster kind of like you guys, but he’s coming to join our golf party just to have a few laughs. Amazing. Uh, and what’s the purpose of the the party, Peter? What does it benefit? We are raising money for, we call it a party with a purpose simply because we’re raising money for charity. We’re raising money for the Monterey Peninsula Foundation of which you’re both very familiar with and the first TE and a foundation that I started about four years ago called the golf diversity program trying to what we do is we do seminars at H.B.CU CU’s historically black colleges and universities. And what we do is we try to try to educate a lot of the kids that might not have a chance to get on the PGA tour, but they love the game of golf. So we we open their their eyes and we look at the vast opportunities in the world of golf to work becoming the next Tiger Woods or Anukica or or Nancy Lopez. That is a really narrow path to walk. But for for anybody to be able to work in the corporate world of golf or the administrative aspect of golf, PJ Tour, LPJ Tour, PJ of America, those opportunities are are huge. So that’s what we do there. So those are the three uh foundation we’re raising money for. Fantastic cause. It’s uh it’s really special and and reminds me Ryan has a foundation as well that uh kind of ties in and and he says often that whether you make it to the PGA Tour, whether you play go on to play college golf or not just doesn’t matter, but it’s about a greater mission and a greater purpose. Well, I look at myself, as you mentioned, I was I was I played at the highest level. I was fortunate enough to win some PGA Tour events and Champions Tour events, but I love golf like you guys love golf. And I’m not competing anymore. I’m doing some television, which in my way is a way of staying connected and and staying involved and having fun, but doing corporate events, doing speaking engagements, and giving back, doing things for charities, basically trying to inspire the next generation through golf. that that’s really what our goal is is just to help those that that don’t have a chance to play as much golf as we did growing up to be able to help with that access to the game of golf and try to make this world a better place through golf. How long I mean what’s the long-term goal, Peter? Is to grow this event as like a new form of the AT&T. Is that the long-term goal? I think so, Ryan. I I don’t know at this point because we’re we’re right here during the the week of the pure insurance championship which benefits the first TE as you know there’s first TE professionals playing with a junior f first he junior and two amateurs so we reflect that format we’ve got a pro and a celebrity and two amateurs and if we fit right here on Tuesday and Wednesday of the pure insurance championship and we that’s where we stay I’m very happy about that. It’s small. It’s at Monterey Peninsula, the country club, which you both know very well. And it is a it’s a special place just being here in the on the peninsula peninsula, having a chance to look at the Pacific Ocean every day while we’re hitting shots and smelling the ocean air and and just being with friends and enjoying the game of golf and enjoying each other’s company. If it stays this size, fine. But if it grows that even even better. Peter, switching gears, you you touched on I think your views a little bit by calling it a money grab. Let’s just talk specifically about the AT&T. Uh it used to be like an event that’s obviously near and dear to your heart, your first and last PJ tour event, and now is a signature event either on the AT&T level or the total signature event format. What is what’s your thoughts of where the tour has gone here? It’s interesting when live golf came around the PGA tour I think blinked first and then they started worrying about the players leaving to go to live. And that’s a that’s a valid concern. I would never I would never criticize anybody for for being afraid of that. But I also believe in the organization the PGA Tour. I believe if I had been in charge I would have said look any player that wants to go to live I’ll pay for the Uber. just go, just take the money and leave because we have a very strong organization that was started and founded by players like Nicholas and Palmer back in the 6869 and the PGA Tour, excuse me, has only gotten bigger, better, and stronger through the participation of players over the years. Let’s not forget players come and players go. Uh remember when Arnold and Jack and Gary Player and Trevino were were the players at the time and then it became it became FAO and it became Watson and it became Norman and then Tiger and players move through uh the PGA tour and their career because of age A something that we all uh we all benefit from. And I think that the most important thing is to put faith in your organization and put your put faith in the game. I’ve always said that the PJ tour is not about the players. The PJ tour is about the communities where we play and the charities we support. Because whether it’s a tournament in LA or Tucson or Dallas or Miami, those tournaments thrive based on the success of the community and the community support, not any one individual player. You can make the argument that Jack playing here or Tiger playing there or Norman playing there is going to uh dramatically impact the the gate and the success of the event. Yeah, I would agree with that, but not to the level that I think a lot of people think it it it is. Uh, so I I I I and in particularly here, the AT&T, the AT&T has done an incredible job here over the years. And I think it was the most important tournament in professional golf. Not not just to this local Monterey Peninsula area, but I think it was the most important event to the PGA Tour. not a major, not the Masters, not the US Open, nothing like that, but as an individual tournament, it was an opportunity for Peter Jacobson and Mark Baldwin and uh Jordan Spe and and Justin Thomas to be able to play within the ropes for five or six hours with the corporate CEO or executive vice president of marketing of a corporate group that might title sponsor an event later on in the in the year. So what a great opportunity for us to tell the story of us and our organization to th to those that are investing 10 125 million. So when the AT&T decided to move from that format, I think I think the tournament lost a lot. Uh it was a it was a decision made by AT&T and again would never criticize what they want to do corporately and and and with the event. But um I just lament the fact that we don’t have that event anymore. And I I I miss that event. And that that ties in Peter really closely with a couple of things that I want to get back to and talk about. But Michael Bamberger’s new book, The Playing Lesson, a Duffer Year among the pros. talks about Arnold Palmer and you and your history at the the clan bank at Pebble, what it means to you and how you were taught early on and look this is a this is a Monday Q podcast so Monday Q also ties into this story but how you were taught early on the most important connection that you can make is with uh you know potential sponsors, customers uh players in proams And the most important relationship that the PGA Tour has is that with their partners and with their sponsorship. So can you take us back to what go 42 years and and tell us you know what is the history and the inception of your relationship and connection to Monterey and and the clan bake. Well I grew up in Portland, Oregon and I grew up in a big family. We had uh four kids and mom and dad and everybody loved golf. We all played golf and we would drive down here to this Monterey Peninsula area. We would rent a house every spring break. We jump in the station wagon and we would uh there were no seat belts, no no car seats. We would be flying around the car driving down high five and we would play together as a family. So I had a early early love affair here at in Monterey Peninsula. my first PJ tour event you mentioned earlier. I qualified Monday qualified at Old Delmani and played the AT&T which back then was the Crosby Clambake and I just dreamed about having a chance to become a tour player to get my card and play on tour which that was my first event and as you mentioned also that was my last event when we played together. uh just kind of capping uh actually six six decades of PGA Tour tournaments which is a very it’s kind of a silly thing but kind of a I it’s right here on my shirt. It’s a badge of courage here. But uh uh real funny story is when I Monday qualified at Old Delmani, I ran over to play a few holes at Monterey Peninsula before the sunset because I was now going to play in a PGA Tour event. I ran out and played a few holes on the backside. I cut across because the sun was setting and I hit a few T- shots on 16 and all of a sudden around the corner as I’m just hitting T-shots kind of reing in my my my success who I thought I was and around the corner comes Arnold Palmer and he had a group and I thought, “Holy crap, I just cut in front of Arnold Palmer who was my dad’s favorite player, my favorite player. He was the king at the time, still is. And if there was ever, I learned a great lesson. If there was ever a time that somebody could big- time you, it was right then. Here’s Arnold Palmer. I’m standing off to the side. I’ve got my name on my bag, brand new tour bag, and he walks right up to me and he sticks his hand out and he says, “Hi, I’m Arnold Palmer. Can we join you?” Now, that blew me away. He could have said, “Hey, I don’t know who you are, Rook. Step aside. get out of our way. Don’t you realize cutting in front of somebody is a no no. Blah blah blah blah. He brought me in, made me feel like I I was a part of his world. And we played the last three holes. We talked like friends. I was 22. Uh he was 40 something. And uh we we got done on 18. He shook my hand. He gave me a sleeve of new Arnold Palmer signature golf balls, which I never used. I still have. I wasn’t gonna hit those golf balls and potentially lose them. But that taught me a great lesson. Every time I was with Arnold, and I was fortunate enough to be with them a lot, he he never met a a he never met a stranger. Everybody that he met, he always greeted them warmly. He always had a kind word and he listened. That’s the one thing we don’t do anymore in this world is listen to other people’s other people’s opinions. Everybody has opinions. Everybody’s different. I’m going to give you the respect of listening to your viewpoint and then I’ll hopefully you’ll listen to my viewpoint. But Arnold was that way. I I was with him so many times in exhibitions and proams where people would come up to him and want to tell the story of how Arnold met that person’s father and gave an autograph. And it was a fiveinut uh interaction, but it meant so much to that person’s father. Why? Because Arnold was warm. He was kind. And it take it costs nothing to be kind. Kindness costs us nothing. Uh you got to work at being an a-hole. You got to work at that. Uh and I know a lot of people that work really hard at being that too. But so that really started my love affair of this area. Monterey Peninsula and Arnold Palmer and and people. Yeah, it’s it what a incredible experience and I I feel like that’s what really stands out to me that I was so fortunate. By the way, thank you for including me in the list of Jordan Speed, Peter Jacobson, uh Justin Thomas. Like that’s the only time I’ll ever I’ll ever find myself in that list of course. But but it that’s what really stands out to me when I think back on our time together at at Pebble and Spy Glass and and Monterey was just your warmth and kindness and and acceptance and what a an incredible experience that was within the group and really it just revolved all around your personality and you involving everyone and making everyone feel so special. And what you said to me early on was look you’re going to have your wins. You know, I had mine at the uh 2013 Dakota Tour Olive Grove Championship. Uh you’ve you’ve had many. But when you’re not in contention on the weekend, when you’re not playing for those most important moments in your career, you have an obligation to the other people of the game, to the amateurs around you, to, you know, the the kids, people trying to come up. That’s where that’s the most important part of being a prof a professional golfer. The one thing that you you both have done uh with your with your podcast and your website is you’ve accepted the responsibility of of interacting with people and develing information and connections to the game. That’s a huge responsibility and I know you don’t take that lightly. That’s the one thing that anytime I played in a proam I could be the worst player. the least known player there. I could be in a in an outing with Arnold and Jack and Trevino and Player and Irwin and Watson and etc, etc. And on the on the pecking order, I am last. But when I’m out in that group with those four amateurs, I represent the PGA Tour. It is my responsibility to give them the best day of golf and the best experience they’ve ever had because I am right then representing the game of golf. PJ tour, the game of golf, PJ of America. I represent both of you like you represent me when you’re out playing golf. And I think that’s what makes the game of golf so strong. the people within the game wanting to do the right thing for the communities as I mentioned earlier and the charities uh because it doesn’t matter. Look, Mark, you hit it a hundred yards by me. We all witnessed that and I was blown away with your length. I was blown away with your ability. I I was so impressed with how skilled you were and that that that differentiates you from me in our game. I was obviously 80 years older than you at the time when we played, maybe 85 years old. But but that doesn’t mean that the way you play and the way I play and the way that Huey Lewis plays and the way that Ben Recctor, Jack Lemon, Clint Eastwood, anybody plays makes this any different. We all love the game and that makes us that makes us the same. Peter, I assume like a lot of your connections, Edward Lure, Kyle Thompson are a couple of people that work for people they after their golf career was over, they now work for people they played with in Proams and have both said like it wouldn’t be possible if I didn’t treat Proams like you know the importance they are. I assume going back to your event, this happened pretty quickly. I assume there’s a lot of people that you have met in ProAss and throughout the golf time that have made you putting an entire two-day event together in like three weeks or four weeks. Well, Ryan, the the wonderful thing about the PJ tour is that people think Saturday is the most important day, the moving day or Sunday, payday. The most important day is Wednesday, the prom day, because that’s our only chance to interact with people inside the ropes. And I’ve met so many people. I’m 71 years old now, and I’ve I’ve always I’ve I’ve learned from people like Jack uh and Arnold and Gary Player to pay attention to the people we play with. So, as a result, when we put this thing together, Huey and I and our connections, we just started calling our celebrity friends and our amateur friends and we were we were selling proA spots. We were arranging uh with our connections at Monterey Peninsula Country Club to put this together. And I think people recognized that this is the right thing to do. This is the right direction in the game of golf. We can’t stray from connecting with people. PJ Tour players are great. We all know that. We’re all professional players, but we’re not we’re not better than anybody else. We need to connect and we need to grow this game from the ground up and uh it takes all of us to be able to do that. Peter, the fact that you speak, you spend so much time speaking about others and what they’ve meant to you and how really just giving so much credit to other people says a lot about about you and it’s so different from many of the people we have on the pod, many of the people in in the game. Um, I want I’m wondering obviously Jack Arnold, you know, people that you’ve mentioned have been were mentors to you. Were there any were there any mentors to you that you know, you don’t speak as much about or aren’t as notable who really took you under their wing? Uh, could be at an early age, could be at any point during your career who really taught you something valuable. Well, as you as you both know, you learn with every interaction, you learn how to how to act, and you also learn how not to act. That’s the one thing about being in society, being with people, and being on the golf course is you learn a lot of things about the way you want to go and the way you don’t want to go. I was so fortunate growing up in Portland, Oregon. had a great tremendous mom and dad and they taught us the morals and values of life and of the game of golf. And there were professionals along the way, people like Jack Doss and Mike Davis, who actually is my brother-in-law now, Tim Berg, um gosh, I could go on and on. Uh that that that took me under their wing and helped me. Uh, and I never forgot that because as as we said earlier, golf’s a game to share and I I always I always hear the stories of Ben Hogan. I met Ben Hogan a couple times at the Colonial. I was fortunate enough to win there and uh this was before Ben Hogan passed away and had a chance to interact with him and get to know him. And I heard all these stories that Ben Hogan never shared uh his knowledge with other players. I never experienced that. He was always kind and warm. Uh, but I do know that players like like Jack and Gary Player and Arnold Palmer and Lee Trevino, another one, Lee Trevino was a huge influence on me when I got on tour. Um, always willing to help, always willing to give you a tip. Uh, if you had a question or you had a concern, he would always say, “Hey, let me know if I can help.” So, I’m very bullish on my fellow PJ tour players, not only today, but over my over my career, because we were one family. We were all supporting each other. Did we want to beat each other’s brains out? Yeah, we always did. I got into playoffs. Pay Stewart was one of my very close friends. But I beat him in a playoff at the Colonial one year. um other players that that beat me, uh we still remained friends because we both had that shared that shared goal of uh of competition and of uh of victory. But I just think we learned from people along the way if you’re paying attention. If you’re not paying attention, then I feel bad for you. Was Payne a member of Jack Trout and the Flounders? Uh Jake Trout and the Flounders? Yes, he was. uh Payne Stewart, Mark Lie and I, we were the only people on the tour that I know of that didn’t fish or hunt or do outdoor sports. We like music. I played guitar. Uh John Inman was a piano player. Larry Rinker was a guitar player. Mark was a guitar player. And Payne played harmonica. He played the harp. And as our p our pal Hugh Lewis would say, h he was about a 15 handicapper on harmonica. But it didn’t matter because we love music and uh we started a band. We rewrote famous artist songs with golf lyrics and we performed. We performed with those artists, people like Huey and Bruce Hornsby and Darius Rucker and Stephen Stills, uh, Glenn Fry, Alice Cooper. They actually sang with us on the record and performed with us whatever they were. We were in their town. So, it was we didn’t have to be any good because we weren’t pros. We weren’t any good, but we both we all love music and we love performing and we could laugh at ourselves, too. Before I don’t know if Mark has another question, but before he ends, I just want to thank you for the being part of the greatest week in my golf life. Like that week was on the bag for Mark, a great friend and wonderful human. and uh you fluff Ben Huey and I tell those stories every podcast I tell him and uh I just want to thank you was making it an amazing special the greatest week in my golf life. That’s all there is to it. So I don’t know if Mark has anything but you are a huge part of what is the greatest memory of of my golf life. So thank you and good luck with you. Yeah. No, I’ll I’ll second that, Peter. That is my fa my being with you at Pebble Beach is my favorite golf memory and actually is really inspiring. And I I watched what you said about my golf game in that little show that revolved around that week where you said, “I believe Mark Baldwin can win golf championships.” and I use that as fuel and inspiration and it it when I don’t feel like going to practice, it motivates me. So, thank thank you so much for all of that, Peter. Well, I let let me let me turn into a TV announcer and and break down your game right now. Number one, the one thing you can’t teach is length. The we can you can work out, you can get in the gym as a lot of players do today. I never did that. We we were it was not part of our our daily routine when we were coming up. When I started the tour in 77, we were we didn’t get in the pool. We didn’t lift weights. We just play we swung the golf club with rhythm. That’s all we worried about. We worried about putting the ball in the fairway and uh try to hit as many fairways as possible and as many greens. As you both know, that’s totally changed today. All the teachers now teach speed and distance. So, it’s totally different from what what I grew up with. But when we played and I watched you and I analyzed your game, I think the fundamentals of your golf swing are are ideal. They’re perfect. I couldn’t find anything wrong. And again, because I do more and more TV, I maybe I’m a little bit more of a of an analyst and a critic. Maybe not a critic. I’m not going to be critical like that, but I want to see what’s wrong with your grip or your stance. I wanted to know why Mark Baldwin wasn’t on the PGA tour and wasn’t winning tournaments, which I still think you can do. But back to what I said, you can’t teach length. Number one. Number two, you also can’t teach accuracy. And you were an incredibly accurate driver when we played. Uh, combine it with that length, you you become John Daly. John Dailyaly who uh or or a young Tiger Woods or somebody like a Dustin Johnson from if I had been your coach, I would have said, “All right, let’s figure out where we’re going from the fairway turnpoint to the green through the hole and and uh let’s make the weakest part of your game the strongest.” What I did, but this is before shot link. Uh, I wanted to analyze my game from the tea all the way through the the hole and I kept very detailed statistics. It’s all now done on shot link and on computer, but this is back when I played the tour. That’s when dinosaurs roamed the earth and rocks fell from the sky. That’s how old I am. That That’s when you had to you had to pay for your own golf balls on the PGA Tour when you go to the driving range. That’s People think I’m joking about that, but it’s true. We used to, Fluff and I used to tuck three or four dollars in our in our pants and we used to have to give the the the range guy some balls money for the balls and if you didn’t hit them all, you didn’t leave them, you put them in your bag. So Fluff always encouraged me to hit them all because he said, “Peta, I’m not going to lug these balls around for 18 holes,” which um he he would always he would he would drop them out of the bag out of the bag as we played. He’d throw him into the bushes. U uh but I just lost I lost where I was. Where was I? Help me. Well, I’m 71 years old. Oh. Oh, the statistics. I kept the statistics because I wanted to know how many fairways I hit. More importantly, how many I missed. Did I miss them left or right off the tea? Did I miss greens? Was I short, long, left, or right? Because then that basically gives you a snapshot of what’s wrong with your game. If you’re short a lot with your approach irons, well, you think you’re longer than you really are. It means you have to club up one more. Or if you’re too far left, that mean maybe your clubs are too upright. The the lie on your club is too upright. So, there were things that I did that that made me a better player by me analyzing what I did. And uh back to your game. I just um I just think that you’re a wonderful player and you’ve got so much talent. I just I hope you keep chasing that dream of getting your card. Uh Peter, I I said I wasn’t going to say anything else, but I’m just going to play that clip for Mark at each stage of Q school. He’s going to Q school again in a couple weeks. So, we’re just going to play that clip before each round heading out. Mark, you you can do this. I’ve played with a lot of players in my career. very few had your talent. Now again, talent is talent. It can be unrealized talent or it can be realized talent. Right now, yours is unrealized talent. But all you got to do is flip that switch, start looking at where you’re dropping shots. A lot of young players that I see, whether I’m doing PGA Tour events and I’m on the range, uh, Champions Tour events, they don’t they don’t care what I say because we’re the same age. it. A lot of the young guys will say, “Boy, I where do you think I could play better? Where where can I help myself?” I always tell them, “Look, it’s not how many birdies you make, it’s how many bogeies you don’t make.” And to be able to understand about the bogeies you don’t make, you have to analyze where you’re losing shots. If Mark Baldwin hits 13 out of 18 greens on an average, that’s really good. That’s great ball striking. That’s what you should do. But you’re missing five greens. What are you doing with those five greens? They can be flop shots over bunkers. They can be bunker shots. They can be pitching runs. How close are you hitting those shots? Number one. And then number two, are you making the putts? You remember players like, and again, I played with these guys, Tiger and Phil and Sevy. Sevy was my age. We were good friends. We played a lot. They would hit these crazy wild approach shots and then chip the ball like this. That’s the talent, that’s the skill, but that’s also the will to get the ball up and down. Uh there are players I know that give up. They miss a green and they go, I suck. I’m done. I got no chance to get this up and down. That’s part of the equation as well. I’ve always said, and when I got to be a better player, I looked at every bad shot as an opportunity to make a great save. And I would say that to fluff. I would say it to any of my caddies. I would say, “Look, I know I hit that four iron on the toe and I’m short of the green, but watch this. I’m going to chip this in. Whether I have to hit a high flop or a little low runner, I’m going to I’m going to chip it in.” And that motivated me to be better on recovery. And once I started recovering better, my scores got better and I got closer to winning and then I won. And there are some things in the game, Peter, that won’t ever change at the highest competitive level. That being one, obviously, you know, when you went to the Masters your first time, you you went and shagged your own balls, I think, uh, alongside Magnolia Lane, right? There’s a lot that’s changed, but that’s something that that won’t change. And how how can players work on that? Um, I mean, I know when you won your was it two, it was 2004 when you won your US Senior Open and you had just come off of hip surgery and there those the will to excel and and to to do something really special when the odds are against you or when you’re up against the wall, like how can upand cominging players work on that? what what advice do you give them to to find those you know in some cases intangibles or the the will that is so required? I I think I think the will to win is a balance between wanting to show off and not wanting to embarrass yourself, if that makes sense. Because those are the two extremes and you need to find where you are in the middle. And Mark, the the two things I’ve always said is uh the most important thing is when I have a tough shot, whether it’s a nervous T-shot on the last hole or a a a five-footer to make the cut, I always step back and I learned early on to say to myself, I choose to be here. You choose to go to the tour school coming up, right? So make the best of it. Why are you going to go to the tour school and berate yourself and think you can’t? If you think you can’t, get your money back and don’t go. But if you’re going to the tour school, you believe in yourself and know that you choose to do this. And so, you might as well be successful. All you need is one. All you need is one spot. I don’t know how many there are. When I came through the Q school, there were 19 spots and I tied for like 12th with seven guys, which was 19 and I got my card. Doesn’t matter how Tiger always said, it doesn’t matter how you win, it just matters that you win. So I always stepped back from a really difficult situation and said, you know what, and I always smiled to myself. I said, I choose to do do this because I love this. I’m having so much fun. I could go home, buy a 7-Eleven, and sell slurpees the rest of my life, but I don’t want to do that. I want to do this. And that’s what I want you to say. Every shot, every time you feel pressure, I want you to say to yourself, I want to do this. I want to be here, and I’m good enough to do this. And you are. I’m telling you, you are. Peter, that’s a great way to wrap it up. I’m conscious of your time. And uh when I think back on our time together, the the the memory that really stands out is what you’re talking about here, which is you you choose to do this and it’s really fun. And that memory is when you and Ben Recctor picked up guitars on the 14th tea at Spyg Glass on a beautiful sunny morning and you played some blues and Ben played a little I think it was a D walk down on the guitar improvising a song for Steve Young who had just lost the closest to the pin on the previous hole. And it’s all about to enjoying the experience and reminding yourself that this is what you choose to do. This is what you’ve prepared for and making the most of that experience. And you embody that, Peter, in every way. And I could talk to you for hours about this, but thank you so much for your time today and your and your kindness and uh all your encouragement and your inspiration. Well, Mark, thank you. I remember that. I remember when Ben and I grabbed those guitars. Oh, the best. It was It was so much fun. But But you’re right. Whatever we choose to do in life, you might as well make the best of it. Enjoy it 100%. If you don’t like it, then go find something else to do. That’s the great thing about this country. We are We have free will. We can do whatever we want to do. But please keep me posted on your progress. I really want you to get your card. you deserve to be out there because you can run circles around a lot of players that I played with in my career that got their card and won tournaments. You can win tournaments out there. So, uh, great to talk with you and, uh, and good luck and keep me posted. We’ll do. Thank you, Jake. Have a have a great time at the golf party. Say hi to Ben for me. Thanks so much. Bye. Bye. Bye.