Justin Parsons: information vs. actually Improving Performance.

Tony and Justin Parsons break down the vast difference from having a lot of knowledge about the golf swing and actually teaching golf. This episode is full of amazing insight and examples on what it takes to coach Tour Players; such as knowing how to filter out information, and moving more towards simple adjustments. They also have great advice for every golfer in improving their own game and for all golf coaches.

Justin Parsons is an Elite Golf Instructor at The Sea Island Golf Performance Center on St. Simons Island, Georgia. Originally from Northern Ireland, Justin turned professional at the age of 19 and began teaching. His coaching philosophy is influenced by extensive research across the worlds of golf, fitness and psychology. His current client list of PGA Tour players includes Louis Oosthuizen, Brian Harman, Harris English, Patton Kizzire, Michael Thompson and Seamus Power.

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[Music] Hi, this is Tony Rogerro, the douche sweeper. You’re listening to the Tour Coach podcast, giving you insights into golf instruction at the highest level from on the PGA Tour to our learning center at Frederica Golf Club. [Music] All right, so this is the first on location tour coach in a while. Joining me is Justin Parsons. We’re up here at Wells Fargo. JP, it’s been a while since somebody’s forced me into having a drink and sitting down and recording, but uh so I appreciate you sitting in. I know you’re busy, but you said something to me the other day. I don’t know, it was a week or two ago, we were sitting having a beer in Sea Island, and you made a comment, we’re just BSing, and you said that there’s a difference between knowing a lot about the golf swing and coaching golf. Mhm. And so like a lot of the times when we talk or other people, you know, I’ll think about it, but then as I’m driving on one of these trips that we have, you know, you you start thinking and process it. And I thought like, man, that was a pretty interesting comment. Let’s talk about that cuz I think elaborating on that is in this day and age with social media and all that stuff, I think it’s easier than ever for people to put out information that’s correct or incorrect or whatever, but to have a lot of knowledge about the golf swing. But to your point, there’s a big difference between knowing a lot of that stuff and being able to get people to perform better. I think all all information, you know, at its root is both correct and incorrect. And listening to some of your stuff with some of the guys you’ve had on, you know, you can deliver. You must have been bored. I was driving. I was driving. But um I was uh you know that that that always interests me because you know you see people online they put stuff up and you know that could be a great piece of information but it could be a terrible piece of information and you you know you look at a lot of stuff and I think that comes back around in circle to the fact that golf is so individual in my opinion. It’s such an individual sport, you know, teaching the guys that I teach, having to tailor the instruction for the needs of the player, you know, and often times trying to judge, you know, when to say things and and furthermore when not to say things. You know, I spent the afternoon on the range with with Patton Kazar this afternoon and you know, Patton great, you know, and Patton really doesn’t like thinking too much about his golf swing. and you know he understands he needs to move the club in a in a certain way but in trying to trying to teach Patton the golf swinger trying to teach Patton to play better golf you’re really having to filter out a lot of the information that you’re you know you might know yourself because you know if you deliver all of that information to him he’s it’s going to make him worse and I think with the better players I think you know you and I have talked about the fact that the a lot of the better players they’re they’re much more interested in shooting a low score trying to have a great finish, get up the FedEx. They don’t really want to know about their golf swings and the technicalities of golf. Some are slightly different, but for the most part, their main interest is to is to get over the finishing line. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And I’ll tell you an interesting story. I told you along those lines about knowing when and to say something and not to say something. So, Lucas played really well last weekend or first part of the week then didn’t play well on the weekend. And he had played pretty well the weeks before. And I had been saying subtly in texts here and there like only thing I ever see is clubs going a little too much in and around but it’s really hard I told him today to jump in there and change that when you finished fourth in San Antonio and so you didn’t hit it good on the weekend hit a couple squirly shots that he didn’t like and he happened to stop to do a media day at Congerey for the event going on and he’s an ambassador there and it he went down and was hitting balls and he they have a teacher build it. So he asked to be filmed and John McNeely long time right just said hey I’m not getting in the middle of this is but hey man like your shoulders are crazy closed right and the club’s getting way inside and so he worked on that and he sent me a video and we talked and then him and I worked on the range and we had a fabulous SE session today and I said to him I was like well Lucas you know I mean I’ve been hitting on it and he’s like I know and I was like but when you finish fourth I mean it’s hard for you to go right like I mean is that the time you jump in the next week and you go, you know, like I subtly tried to mention it and I was really hoping we’d get through Valbar with a better finish, you know, and you’re third after two rounds. So, you’re like, I mean, I’m not going to tell him on Friday night, hey, change something. But don’t you think that’s one of the differences between like just putting a bunch of stuff out there about tilts and wrist angles and all that stuff? Like I think that’s the art of teaching and you’ve been around the greatest. And well, we we have a saying in Ireland that you’ve got to be flexible within a rigid framework and rigid within a flexible framework. And really what we’re dealing with, I suppose, with some of the better players and, you know, and and you know, really everybody who’s even listening to this who’s, you know, not at the PGA Tour level is that you’re your your golf swing and the way your golf swing is working is a pattern and it’s moving in a fluid way and you’re always going to have changes that are going to occur to whether it’s the way you slept or Lucas aiming a little too far right for, you know, two rounds of golf or the windy ball position goes back, things that change an awful lot. So that it’s fluid pattern management that we’re in. We’re just trying to we’re trying to manage them into a point where the pattern is good and we know that the pattern’s going to get screwed up within a week or two any anyway. So, you know, and I think that’s, you know, I always think to myself, you know, I see see the Instagram things and the bits and pieces and think, you know, maybe I’m missing something. Maybe it’s like it should look better all the time. I’m not the only one that I mean, you know, and and there’s some some guys doing great things. But then when I’m around, you know, when I’m around Louis, who’s probably one of the more talented players I’ve ever seen and, you know, I see Rory struggling a little bit with with his golf swing and things, I realize that, you know, this is a really, really hard game. And if we if we focus only on the mechanics of the game, we invariably make the game harder. The game’s chaotic enough without us trying to add more chaos to it. So I think you know and my approach has always been to try and make the golf swing part the thing that they have to think least about because they’re going to have to think about wind and pole locations and invariably they’re going to start thinking about you know where they are in the tournament they’re going to have a lot of different distractions and if I can limit the amount of distractions that they have hopefully you know they’re going to end up performing better. Yeah I I agree. I think that’s our job. And I said to you last night that, you know, I think my job as a teacher is to make my players, whether it’s Lucas or Bill or Brandon or whoever play better or it’s high school kids I got to report on today that, you know, to make them play better. And I don’t necessarily care if what I tell them wins the science fair. No. Right. you know, science doesn’t, you know, again, going back to that, I mean, that’s that’s that whole idea behind like science does not come ahead of performance because performance is human and it’s fluid. So, science is probably going to provide you with some sort of answer, but the actual answer to what we’re trying to do is, you know, did he shoot 18 under and win this week? And that that could be I mean, I was fortunate a week or two ago Tyson Alexander won on the on the contrary, which was fantastic. He’s come a long way, by the way. you know, you know, and and part of, you know, what I was trying to break down with him was this, you know, idea that he was going to have a perfect golf swing and hit perfect shots. And I know this isn’t going to sound correct to anyone. And I know that it’s not going to sound, but but you know, on the on the during the tournament dur during the tournament that he won, he was uh he was hitting his iron shots a little bit to the right and he said, “You know what I did was I just turned the face in a little bit and played all weekend with a face shot.” He said, “Did I do the wrong thing?” And I went, “Did you win the golf tournament?” He said, “Yes.” So the the fact is that he was he was managing his pattern in an adaptable fluid way that allowed him to continue to perform. Mhm. And and I would say that you know a year ago Tyson Alexander wouldn’t have done that cuz he would have thought that was the wrong thing to do. He would have tried to figure out a fix a perfect scientific fix in his golf swing. Now do I want to get the face of the club a little square whenever he’s finished that tournament and make sure that he doesn’t you know mess around his fundamentals? Of course. But when it comes to performance, there’s no right and wrong. It’s just performance. And the only thing we ever get judged on is is what they shoot or or and the only thing they’re judged on, right? And I think that that’s important for any level of golfer, though. Like a lot, you know, we have a lot of, interestingly enough, I get a lot of feedback. We have a lot of high school and college golfers listen to this. They must be bored, too, right? So, they’ve got time. They’ve got time. I was doing other things in high school and college. far more entertaining, which is why you’re teaching golf. Correct. Correct. But I have a good time. So, I think one of the ways I’ve tried to grow as a teacher is I used to think, man, like I’d have to make it perfect for them to play good. Mhm. And I always had this compulsion to try to I look at my earlier career like when Bobby Wyatt was coming out of college and when I first started with Smiley and those things and like there was this compulsion to like try to fix everything. And now I feel like I’m way more like they don’t have to hit it that great. Like, you know, right? Like, it’s okay. They’re going to hit a bad lot of ways to score. I mean, and this is where, you know, some some recent stuff that I’ve been fortunate enough to do with Brian Harmon, you know, Brian’s an extremely talented player with just the most unbelievable short game and I track all their stats. And tell you the story about what you said to him, though, cuz I thought this was a good story. Well, you know, he he you know, and he mentioned this a couple of times and and uh I looked at his, you know, 2021 short game stats, his around the green, he was gaining.18 of a shot on on the field. And without disrespectful to any other players of the PJ tour, Brian’s Brian’s got one of the best short games I’ve ever seen. And I, you know, I pulled Brian aside and I said, “Look, I I love everything you’re doing, but you know, your short games, you know, it’s a mess at the moment in terms of where what you’re capable of.” and and he appreciated the honesty and he’s you know he went to work at it and you know we saw what he did in Austin and you know he’s he’s really been lighting it up recently and it’s I I didn’t teach him anything about the short game. I pointed out that something in his game wasn’t performing correctly and identified a a way for him to get better by working on the on his game in a certain area. And I think that’s again that’s what we’re we’re there for. I mean, you know, you teach a lot of players coming up, develop a lot of players, and I’ve I’ve also I’ve inherited some really good players at Sea Island, and and they were great players, great pitchers, great chippers, great bunker players before I ever got anywhere near them. So, maybe I’ve spotted one or two things, but I’ve certainly I can’t take credit for them being at that level. But what I can do is try and make recommendations as to how to either, you know, improve a little bit or maintain the level that they’re currently on or where they want to get to. And in Brian’s case, it was just, you know, you got to get back on the short game area. Let’s do some challenges. We introduced some new like little performance tests and things. But there’s there’s really been only one occasion I can think of where I had to ask him to do anything different to what he normally does. So, you know, that maybe puts me in a lucky position with him. Yeah. Well, you know, I think with every good player we have, there’s a part of their game we’re lucky with that we don’t have to mess with, right? Because by nature, like I think that especially when you’re lucky enough to teach tour players, I’ve yet to see a tour player and this also is another frustrating like where guys say they went in, they rebuild a tour player. I mean, if you’ve got to the PJ tour and you’ve kept your card. Mhm. You’re good. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. And to me, it’s like it’s the refining and it’s the helping them understand and it’s whatever. Like I have you seen many guys you’ve inherited that were on the PGA tour where you’re like everything they do is bad and you got to reoverhaul. No. No. I mean it’s you know they all do so many things very well and often times I think it’s the simple things the things that you could talk about as being basic and fundamental that they’ve almost forgotten about. they’ve they’ve almost gone to a point where they’ve they’ve taken all of this information and they’ve tried to make the information the primary and they’ve kind of forgotten how to line up properly and they’ve forgotten where to put the golf ball in their stance and stuff like that and people don’t you know I talk to people about that sometimes they go no it must be more more complex than that but you know as you get better at something the thing that you’re doing should get simpler rather than more complicated so with these guys who are so good at it you know it’s it’s maybe pointing out the simple things and perhaps they do a lot of the really complicated, you know, big muscular movements. They do a lot of the things that the amateur golfers can’t quite do. So, and that’s where, you know, again, further to some of the conversations we’ve had about, you know, some of the things we do at the Golf Performance Center and I know you down at uh Feder Rica where we’re, you know, looking at bigger movements and and using trainers and using, you know, using, you know, people that can really help us understand how the how the forces work on the ground and things like that. And I think that, you know, for a lot of the amateur golfers are are things that they could really get a head start with. Yeah. Well, I just think too that I was talking to a parent and a high school player a couple weeks ago and I said, you know, he asked the parent asked the difference I see and I said like to me if you look at like a small to mid-level college, you’re at a small to midlevel college tournament, then you go to like the SEC championships that were at Sea Island and then you went to a cornfairy event and then you went to a PGA Tour event that like in every one of those you’d have a bunch of guys that me and you could spot and say, “Man, This guy’s pretty good, right? He could really play. But to me, each level you go up seems like there’s more attention to small detail. Mhm. Like where I really notice it is like small college to big college. You see some kids that have enormous talent and you can watch it and especially like as we pay attention to speed nowadays and you’re like, man, this kid could be good. Why is he playing at X? But then you stand there and you watch him hit balls for 20 minutes. You’re like, well, he’s got zero clue how to set up the same way every time. So the Daisy does it good. He’s really good. The Daisy sucks. He sucks. And then you go to like I stand there watching some at the SEC. Well, those kids are pretty close to doing what they need to do. And to me, it’s the same way. Corn fairy to PGA Tour. Mhm. I think so. And I think, you know, I think you’re right. I think the rep the repetition, the ability to repeat, but again, that’s going into your pattern and being able to manage your pattern and be able to then repeat something over and over again. I mean, Harris English, who’s had a real great run, and I’m I’m thrilled to have been part of it. You know, it was really about getting him a an alignment routine again where he can kind of trust what he’s where he’s aiming and what he’s aiming at, start to trust that the shot that he wants to hit is going to come out of the barrel because if he doesn’t if he doesn’t trust what he’s doing over the golf ball, then our job is becoming really complicated. And then giving him a couple of swing keys that, you know, that he can run with. And that you know the beauty about someone like Harrison and we’ve seen him on television like chewing his gum and he walking around there in that beautiful rhythm and the rhythm of his golf swing is that once he gets comfortable with what he’s doing he can repeat it and that’s you know I think that’s a skill certainly that you know you and I have seen with the very very best players where you know they end up going into this kind of it’s not a robotic state because that suggests there’s no feel to it but there’s a flow state where everything’s repeating and those steps are repeating and you know I’ve seen Lucas Glover’s ball strike and you see the way Lucas walks up to the golf ball, gets in position to hit it, you know, and he’s he’s almost hit the shot three times before he’s even ever hit it because all the patterns and all the the waggles and all of the pre-sw, you know, it’s so ingrained with him and that’s why he’s a he’s a fabulous ball striker. I think that’s why too, you know, I think about like one time we were I was trying to change his foot, right foot position because was tight and we’re trying to get him to turn load a little better and but I mean he’s tight, right? It was just one of those weeks or two, right? Had him tow his right foot out. Very little. Like if you and I took a picture of you hardly know, man, it totally screwed up his rhythm going on. He played terrible. Right. Right. We’re better off you not loading. Right. Or you got to come up with something else. And I mean, to me, that’s the other part of what we do. Sometimes we pick things that are wrong and we have to say, you know what, like I was wrong on that one. Let’s figure out another way to do And I think that that’s, you know, relative to, you know, listening to some of the things again couple of your recent podcasts and things like that about information and and there’s a part of our job that’s instinctive and there’s a part of our job that comes from experience watching players hit whatever millions of golf balls through the certainly the last 25 years I’ve been kind of doing this and you’ve been doing it. I’m sure it’s similar if not about the same about the same. So if we’re talking about watching people hit millions of golf, I’m just older and better. I will never forget I was fortunate enough to to be at the Fidian for the pro member one year and then I was flying back to Dubai and Butch Harmon gave me a lift from Stuart on just where the Fidian is to Orlando which is like 3 and 1 half hours. So I had Butch Harmon in a car for 3 and 1 half hours. It was amazing. And Butch had been enjoying himself with the members that weekend. So I’m sure the last thing you needed was me asking a bunch of questions. But I said to Butch, I said, “What is it like you see when you see a player and you, you know, you you’re trying to figure out what direction to go?” And he said, “Well, JP,” he said, “You know, it’s a little bit like a, you know, like those old cartoons where you click cards and you can see the cartoons.” He said, “In my brain, I’ve seen this before and I’ve got to go back to where I’ve seen it cuz I know I’ve probably fixed it.” And then he goes to that place. And he said, “It’s not as quite as clear as that, but something like that is happening.” And to me, that’s recall and experience. you know, seeing like you and I are seeing a lot of players, you know, through our junior careers and working through, you know, different golf schools in Ireland for me and then in Dubai where a lot of clients come through. You’re seeing a lot of golf swings and sometimes I really love, you know, just standing back on the range at Sea Island just watching golfers and thinking, right, what would it do to that? What would it do to this? What would it do that? Cuz I think that’s your brain’s way of keep keeping on going with it. I think it’s that’s where it’s important for us to keep teaching, you know, and and that’s where I’m, you know, always think it’d be hard having one client, like one superstar client and not teaching couple of 10 handicappers, couple of five handicappers cuz it keeps your it keeps you fresh. Yeah, agree. I think one of the things I enjoy, there’s guys that only teach four or five tour players and they’re and I mean they’re awesome. They’re great teachers. I still really enjoy I enjoy the challenge of trying to help the members that I’ll teach at Frederica or the juniors and the college players that come see me. I like the variety. Mhm. I think part of it is I’m probably just adds me. Uh but also I like I think sometimes I’ve taught an eight or a 10 handicapper and got him to do something and thought, “Hell, that’s going to help so and so.” like cuz I know if this guy could kind of do it, so and so could do it. Yeah. You know, and I agree and I one of the things I had a which is always mindboggling to me now, we’ll get some folks that want to come observe and watch and I’m always like you’re going to be bored, right? This is just basic teaching golf. But I always tell them like I don’t think that there’s any substitute to learning to just teaching a shitload of golf. I think you got to I think that like instead of being worried about your Instagram and getting tour players and getting on lists and getting famous, you ought to first teach a whole bunch of golf and not care about all that and figure that out. I think that’s the best learning curve. I don’t I completely agree with you. You know, you know, quite a few young teachers have reached out to me and they’ve said, you know, what what should I do? And I said, you know, get a job where you see, you know, the the 80-year-old lady who can’t swing very fast to the, you know, the lad who’s just out of college and he was a lacrosse player and he absolutely smashes. He doesn’t know where it’s going to junior who’s got no strength to the guy who’s been in his office chair for the last 40 years. and you’ll realize that the postures, the strengths, the the previous learning, all of the all of the histories of each of the players is has such an impact on what you can do and what you can’t do with people. And you’re never going to figure that out if you’re, you know, again, if you’re you’re at seminars and things, and I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with that, but in terms of what are you going to have to do in order to become really good at teaching golf, it’s like asking the tour player, well, what did you do to become really good at playing golf? Well, they play golf. They didn’t study golf. they play golf and that’s what we need to do. You know, for the young teachers listening, you know, what I did, I mean, I would I was at lucky enough to be at Blackwood Golf Center in Northern Ireland outside of Banganger and I uh and I um I was I was running a book where I where I worked from a a Monday morning early to a Saturday afternoon. And I would say I was given 30-inute lessons, which I don’t even know how I would have thought 30-inute lessons were as valuable as I thought they were back then, but I was doing 60, 80 golf lessons a week. And I did that for 3 years. And I thought that when I looked back on it, like it was hard at the time, but I looked back on it and thought that was perfect. I saw every type of swing you’ll ever want to see. And you know, that put me put a really good foundation in place. Mhm. My big break was Hank Johnson, a great old-time teacher, hired me to teach at his golf school in Sandest, Florida, Beach Resort, right? And I had taught for a year or two. And um but like I had this stream of resort guests coming in. Yeah. Of all skill levels and I might see them once or twice and then, you know, they were gone. But I had to learn, right? And if you messed them up, I mean, like I hate to say it, but it kind of wasn’t the end of the world. No. And then from a business perspective, by sheer happen stance, I came up with the idea to sell this package where I taught them for three lessons and I took them to play nine holes, right? Because it build more hours, right? But they like the idea of on the golf course. But that’s where it was huge for me for what I do now because it was like, well, hell, I go on the golf course, they don’t do anything that they do, nothing, right? Yeah. And and I actually that’s kind of where I started I think getting better and I started getting people that would follow me and come back and see me because like I would actually take them on the golf course and be like well I mean we did this stuff on the range but here’s what you got to do to play better you know. Well I mean that’s maybe a topic for another time but you know the you know the functionality and the actual transference of where we have players and where we take players. you know, some of the stuff that I think that we’ve probably done is is not as relevant as it should be to the act of playing golf. And I know that’s something I’ve kind of struggled with, you know, and I’ve kind of thought, look, does the golf shot make the golf swing, or does the golf swing make the golf shot? Many times I I think that it should be the former. The golf shot that you’re hitting should create the golf swing that you want to make, but that’s maybe a chat for another time. Yeah. But that’s the opposite of what most people do. Correct. Agree. Yeah. At all levels. I mean, you know, and you stand there and you try and make these perfect swings from a mat on a level lie with a golf ball that you got, you know, you got 80 other golf balls in front of you and then all of a sudden you go on, you know, the first fairway and you’re on a down slope in a divot downwind. It doesn’t, you know, it’s got nothing to do with what you just did. You talked about big picture, you know, and that’s another thing that I like I had a conversation with Brandon Hegy today and he asked a question and I said, “Well, here’s the answer to it.” It was like, “Why do I struggle drawing the ball?” And I said, “Well, I think videoed him.” And I said, “It’s cuz you lose your posture coming in. Your butt comes in and you hit a bunch. You eel it instead of a good drawers.” Yeah. Right. And I said, “But I’ve known that, but like you’re not ready to try to add one more thing.” No. To the program. Cuz you’ve played good. Your fades are great. And if you do a little of that trying to hit a fade, you just hit a little bit of a push fade. Mhm. And he’s like, “Okay.” And I said, you know, he’s like, “Well, at least I understand it.” And I was like, “Well, I don’t want you to think I don’t know what causes it, but I think sometimes it’s important to lay out to a player where you’re trying to go.” Yes. Because I think they need to know, but I also think it’s important for what we do to also be firm and like I mean, sometimes they’re not in a point where they need the second part of the equation. No. And they don’t always they don’t need it to win. Well, it’s funny. Yeah, I remember listening to a podcast back in Dubai. It was from some Scottish guys and they had a they had some players on and it was they were talking about guys who’d won on the European tour, they were unable to hit the golf ball directions. They were only the week that they won, they were left with one option and the reason why they won was they only had one option. So, they were able to go to a shape or go to a flight and that was it. You know, it’s a that’s a difficult that’s a difficult thing to manage. To your point, I think, you know, a player wanting to be able to do something different andor better and then being told, well, you know, you’re not ready to do that can be frustrating for a player, but at the same time, they’re hiring us to help inform them as to where they are physically and technically so that they can play their best golf. So, you know, it’s it’s it’s always a challenge. you know, we’ve talked, you know, this week we we’ve we’ve talked about, you know, being hired and fired and trying to get uh, you know, get get through all of those little things and being frustrated that we didn’t do better jobs and stuff like that. But, you know, I I think uh I think I, you know, I feel okay about it cuz, you know, I know that I’m going to the ends of the earth to try and help people and I know that and I know that you are, too. And, um, you know, I know the guys that, you know, all the guys you have on on the on the podcast and things are are doing the same thing. Well, and I think the thing you said something too, you’ve said a few things to me that I write down. One of them was, you know, like Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I write stuff down. I’m getting old, but you know where you like no matter how good we are or we think we are or people think we are, if a player’s not listening Mhm. then we’re really wasting our time. Yeah. And I think that players and teachers get to that point sometimes. And as much as we like the guy, if they’re not listening Mhm. that it’s a waste of our time and I could go help somebody else that’s willing to embrace what I have to say and try and it’s a waste of their time and it’s it’s probably you know it’s a waste of their investment and you know that’s you know that’s really where you know we’ve talked about this where you need to be you know collectively strong from a player and a coach’s perspective and just say look this ain’t quite clicking here let’s uh let’s move on and you know I’m sure there’s there’s been times for you and there’s going to be more times ahead for both of us for Sure. We’ll uh we’ll we hate those calls, but we get through it. I think too, the other thing that I’ve found through a couple of them is it kind of makes you re-evaluate who you are and what you do. And there’s been times it’s made me question like, am I any good? But then there’s also been like in this time it reaffirmed I was like, you know what, like I like what I’m doing. I’m going to get better at doing what I do. Yeah. You know, it’s it’s but I think that comes from just growing yourself and pushing yourself. And I think that’s right. And I think it’s like for me like since moving to the states, you know, Michael Thompson won a golf tournament for the first time in a few years. Harris has had this great run, you know, Brian’s been playing good, you know, and I and I Patton’s had a big resurgence. Is it a resurg? And you know, but the fact is it Louis still good. But all of us in life have these flows, es and flows and stuff. So you, you know, you get to a point where you realize that the down bits are just as important as the up bits. is you to your point the down bits get you to reflect on like what am I do what did I do right what did I do wrong what would I do different what should I be doing better and I think that’s a really important part of the whole thing so you know I think you you know we probably should be grateful for the fact number one we had the opportunity in the first place number two it’s finished and then number three we’re hopefully getting better as a result of it cuz if it was all up all the time you probably wouldn’t get better no and I think as much as we hate to admit it would get you wouldn’t appreciate the good No, 100%. I mean, and it wouldn’t be as fun as when a guy wins. And you know, it just would it wouldn’t be the same. And I think as well, I think it’s humanizing to figure to understand that, you know, in this act of dealing with all of these people, it’s never going to be like it’s never going to be perfect all the time. You know, what we do with them is not going to be perfect. You know, Butch always said to me, you you know, the number one thing you got to do is try not to mess them up. And number two, once you’re finished, hopefully they’re better than where they started, you know. And I think even in in all, you know, all of my recent cases, you know, the cases that they’re better than when whenever I started with them. And that’s that’s what I hope for. And, you know, you always want to you always want to see them go to the moon, but sometimes you just need to go, you know, a few yards forward. You know, there’s also guy told me one time there’s just people that aren’t meant to go to the moon. Mhm. Right. And every guy we see wants to play the PGA Tour or wants to be a Rory Mroy or Tiger Woods. And I mean I mean we can’t tell them that but unfortunately not everybody’s going to be that great, right? And and uh but anyways JP, awesome stuff. One continued success. You’re kicking ass down there. It’s fun. I’ve enjoyed the opportunity. We’ve gotten to spend more time and hanging out and I’ve enjoyed getting to know you better and better and and watching what you do and and it’s fun. Enjoy it, buddy. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the tour coach with Tony Ruiro. If you enjoyed this, make sure to hit subscribe. Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever you are listening to this podcast, you can stay up to date because we have weekly episodes coming your way with fascinating people in the world of golf instruction at the highest level. Make sure to subscribe and stay tuned. 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