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welcome in to the show today it’s her at sports radio am590 ESPN om ESPN Tri Cities we’re live on Twitter Facebook YouTube That’s DB I’m Ravi Lula we are here live on the pillar exterior stage where I think Dallas just lost again yeah it uh not good I don’t know sometimes I I just absolutely I laugh why is that because I almost I I talked myself maybe into it a little bit yep during the uh Minnesota Timberwolves series you know where I was like oh these offenses I don’t know and then Dallas kind of figured out a way to score but I knew I hated their offense I hate how much one guy just dribbles the basketball yes that’s accurate and it is super sticky and it’s a horrible matchup be because Boston has like three and a half four they have four almost what I would call Elite level Defenders know Dereck white is Der white Jaylen Brown and Drew holiday and holiday yeah holiday is probably the best so it’s like how is this gonna work and it it doesn’t it it just doesn’t and and and I feel like the it we’ve done a comp a complete full circle Circle so not a 180 you and I my friend have done a 360 okay on me dropping the hammer on my friend and your friend Luca I started out by saying debating with you when he came into the league I can’t stand his style of Play We I’ve gone round and round with you about Luca I’m back on it and it’s even worse now yeah it’s even worse now cuz number one a shot selection is terrible number two he’s extremely unlikable which I told you five years ago I would try to get over haven’t been able to do it no that’s fair I I can’t I can’t I can’t get over it and the other thing is is he won’t defend and and when you’re playing a team that plays Five out you stick out like an absolute sore thumb yeah I mean the the compilations from the first couple games are embarrassing they’re James hard level it’s incredible and and my my favorite is is he’ll shoot a bad shot or some contested shot and inevitably not get a foul call he’ll whine about something and he’s the last one down the court and meanwhile Boston shot the rock yep it’s over I’m like is so just just no one’s get you just no one in the the organization can really control you because you are a prolific like you’re a great offensive player yeah prolific is the word for his offense yeah I mean who who said it two days ago maybe it was kg I think Garnett said Luca is the only one that can surpass or catch LeBron in terms of scoring which will never happen no because well Luka doesn’t take care of his body in a way that allow him to play for that’s that’s number one that’s number one I I can’t see I’ll be happy to see Luca get to 10 yeah if he gets to 1012 which is a short career for a star now that that would be a good effort for him I just I don’t I just don’t understand the if he does take care of his body because he’s never relied on athleticism he will last forever yeah and and listen you you can you can attest to this just because it started with you this isn’t like piling on because they look so bad like i’ I’ve had like we’ve been having this conversation about Luca for years yeah for actual years like back at the old place here even before I was doing radio over there and I used to I used to try to find ways to be Petty and always bring it up when I thought yeah he had come back after his initial performance I’m like ah we still like Luca huh but then he got it going again yep and I was like man I may have to come around no so here’s my here’s my issue with Luca I loved the talent coming out of Europe that’s what I was super high on because there were some people are like oh he’s not good enough to play like he’s not going to be good it’s like no this guy’s got it yeah he’s playing against grown-ups at 17 18 years and winning the MVP of the league like look at all these guys that come over from Europe and are really good at the same age and barely put up any stats like the NBA will draft guys in the lottery putting up four points a game in Europe and be like this guy’s gonna be a star and half the time they’re right can’t dispute it okay so I’m looking at this I’m seeing everything that he’s doing and I’m like no this guy’s for real right that was my number that’s I was such a Luca Defender early was the people that just didn’t understand basketball enough to be like I don’t care if he doesn’t have a seven foot Wings span and I don’t care if he doesn’t have a 38 inch vertical that guy’s good at basketball okay then I got super frustrated because I thought and I’ve said this I’ve used this exact analogy I’ll say it again I thought he could have decided to play Like Larry Bird and instead he decided to play like James Harden and that pissed me off because when you’ve got a like when you’ve got a chance to do something truly Transcendent in a game and then you just choose to play the crappier way that makes me really angry because I love basketball and he took away from what we possibly could have seen made me mad do you want do you want to be the new gatekeeper my only maybe I mean I I do gay keep on a ton of stuff I’m not gonna lie about that um mad the only thing that I was holding out for was okay I was I didn’t know for sure if he was playing that like that because he felt he had to or if he was playing like that because he wanted to right because of the roster around him I didn’t know they didn’t do a great job building around him early and then they brought in kyi this year which I didn’t or last year I didn’t think it was going to work it didn’t really last year but then there were stretches this year where I was like oh they act he looks better he’s holding the ball less they’re moving the ball a little bit better they had stretches this year where I was like oh maybe maybe he didn’t want to play like this the whole time or maybe he’s growing up whatever and then we get into you know crunch time into into cutting time and all of a sudden it’s back to ah ISO this heliocentric nonsense Kyrie takes a turn then I take a turn and then the Antics on top of all of that he has been a super tough hang as a guy that was adamant that he was a very good B and he is a very good basketball player I just don’t like the way he’s decided to run his career yeah the and and I and Shane I’m I’m sending this to you I want you to get this uh get this queued up because you it’s it’s rare that you’ll see a a star um get this kind of um that’s not named LeBron I mean maybe Tatum but Tatum isn’t quite on Tatum’s not on that level on on Luca’s level in terms of taking games over although I still feel like Robi I said this before I don’t think I’m die I I I I think I may die on this hill too he’s I listen I get it he’s really really good the the number two thing and whatever the analogy was you kind of gave him but he’s really good he is I’m listen I when I I I get the lack of elite when I athleticism and when I talk about Peak change of Direction but D this when I talk about Tatum I’m not talking about him in a sense of like oh I don’t think he’s good at basketball I think that’s how people mishear me sometimes I’m starting from the Assumption like if I’m even having this conversation about like are you a one or are you a Lula star or whatever stupid name I put on it like you’re starting at a place where you’re incredible like that’s the start that like that’s the bare minimum is being incredible right I have it in Q in order to get up to that next level that’s where I’m making these differentiations so I don’t want people to hear me and be like oh he thinks Tatum sucks at basketball that’s not the case he’s awesome my my thought you feel like he’s been criticized at a high high level for his his basketball acting he’s been critic well so he was kind of a victim of his own success early right which is kind of the way you want it which happens a lot but I mean think about the way a lot of these other guys that are sort of in these positions they get kind of a ramp up period ah did you get that hint of cigarette smoke yeah that was weird I don’t know what happened there all right keep going I’m sorry um there’s a most of these guys that end up in these Elite positions or in these Elite conversations have the ramp up period right he made Conference Final in year one or two so it was like oh this guy might be able to win a ton and all of a sudden that narrative got started and there like well why hasn’t he won more it’s like well because he probably shouldn’t have won yet it just he got one early and you’re like I don’t really know what to do here right but look at every other guy LeBron Steph uh dwade even took a few years although his was pretty quick um but he had Shaq come into it’s funny you bring up dwade because I I just think over the last 20 years he’s arguably the most underappreciated he’s really really he’s incredible before LeBron got there he was he was incredible yeah like it was legitimately he was a top three or four player in the league before LeBron went there but I mean you want to go back to Jordan you want to go back to all most of these guys until you go back to like talk about a guy coming out where you wouldn’t have been blown away with much of anything dwade yeah yeah couldn’t shoot it yeah wouldn’t shoot the three pretty good athlete but not an elite crazy um but but just incredible BAS well is like skills and instincts but my point is like all the way until you get back to bird and Magic which both ended up in incredible situations you don’t have these Superstars that just won right away so when you have a guy that kind of gets there a little earlier than you would think TW toiling if you will it works it works against them which isn’t probably fair and that’s probably where part of my push back on Tatum is is like hey he might become that guy he is not current that guy stop it I say the same thing that I said when the playoffs first started for a team that is so criticized they’re really they are really really good well here’s the thing that I didn’t know right I knew the East was bad I didn’t know how good that meant Boston was Boston’s really good I I don’t even care what it look whatever it is that they do I get it the shot selection I mean what they shoot 15 threes in the first I seven minutes last night but I I get it like I I get aesthetically would maybe kind of like stand around and shoot jump shots but God there’re they’re they’re they’re just really good man that’s probably part of my issue with Boston is it doesn’t for having the level of talent that they do it doesn’t look like I want looks like pickup doesn’t it it doesn’t look like I want it to I I want I for being that talented I need it to look better it’s just how somebody is always a viable scoring option it’s not the second rotation it’s the third yeah and you may have to get to the fourth which is when you have and when you have an unwilling Defender so I don’t I listen I get it the Mavs have to their role players have to be better and you get the hard-hitting an analyst analysis before the game starts which we got to get into because I’m not going to bang on like a ABC and and and ESPN I should just say ABC because part of my gripe is the fact that they say ESPN on ABC and it it ruins the te I’m gonna get into that here in a sec but it’s it’s just aggravating I mean that in YouTube TV I mean I I’m a YouTube TV subscriber how much do you think I need to see it though what do you mean like the logo yeah probably not a lot okay again I’ll get back to that but that’s one of the reasons why I showed you the clips yesterday of Missoula right he’s like anybody want to talk about the adjustments we made from game one to game two and he kind of does that little dirty look and he walks off like they do a lot of things that don’t maybe really I know listen I get it I’m not ready to give credit yet you’re giving it the the growley face I’m not ready to give Missoula credit yet I was just listening to the guys was who’s it Jaylen Brown that says you know he shows him old UFC videos of guys getting off the deck and and being calm during the the Tapout it’s like I like we said this yesterday the day before he may just be the right guy for that teams right place to press their buttons for their emotional psyche yeah cuz he’s a little he’s pretty he’s kind of Ecentric he’s goofy do you think this was making its rounds last night and when I heard it live I almost couldn’t believe it because I wondered what he did to him but fair foul on on these comments last night from Brian wior the ground unacceptable position to put himself in with four minutes left with five fouls and then immediately looks at the bench and says you better bleeping challenge it as if it’s the bench’s fault that he just made a terrible play I’m standing here in the Mavericks tunnel over there is the celix tunnel that’s where the winners are if Luca is ever going to be a winner coming out of this tunnel here he is going to have to use this half what’s happened in this finals as a learning experience his defensive performance is unacceptable he is a hole on the court the Celtics are attacking him they are ahead in the series because they’ve attacked him defensively and you’ve got a situation here where Luca is complaining about the officiating they have him they have talked with him they have pleaded with him he is costing his team because of how he treats the officials he’s a brilliant player he do so many things well they are here because of how he did his performance in this game is unacceptable and the reason why the Mavericks are not going to win he’s got to get over this and the fact that he came out after the game and blame the officials showed me he’s nowhere close yet so maybe over the summer somebody will get to him because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has and that’s where the Mavericks are at this point they’re never going to get to this tunnel with the trophy if he doesn’t improve those P aspects of his game fair or foul first of all uh fair I think would can you imagine windhorse being that critical of anyone else at that level and in the NBA you certainly know he would never say that about LeBron right yeah um so the comments themselves in a vacuum I think are fair right he he that’s one of those things right like he probably told no lies yeah but that’s also not generally what he does it was It was kind of weird it was almost like it almost like I don’t know like Luca maybe stole something from him yeah like there was almost a I don’t know if a vendetta is the right word but there there seemed to be like what made him M like he was hard feelings and maybe it’s I maybe as as a guy that loves the NBA he’s he’s basically saying he’s not a good ambassador of so that’s what I was just going to say right that’s why I get frustrated whether it’s with Tatum whether it’s with Luca you know I just went on this rant about how I felt like Luca was wasting this ability to play this beautiful game or the game in a beautiful way right yeah so like maybe it’s that like it makes me mad like so I maybe it’s just as simple as that but in a in the v the the vacuum of the comments themselves he didn’t say anything that wasn’t true yeah if he doesn’t if if Luca doesn’t even become passable on defense where the fact like and that’s to get back to Missoula for a second that’s why I kind of gave you that side eye when you’re talking about him like his adjustments comment it’s like the adjustment of what consistently attacking the worst defender on the court that wasn’t really an adjustment that’s kind of just well I mean you do have to make a decision to double and not to double I know you know they got away from getting the ball out of his hands now they’ll let him kind of do his thing I mean it’s I can I can see I’m no I’m not West but I can see it here’s what bothers me I think a little bit about Missoula a he doesn’t pass the vibe check I don’t know why he just doesn’t I hear him talking I’m like I don’t know I don’t know there’s something about that guy I don’t trust um second which means nothing I mean that’s just my whatever uh second I don’t know that he’s totally self-aware about what makes him successful like if it is the right person right place right time thing like yes you have to have a certain level of basketball acument why why does it have to be so deep though why can’t he just be maximizing as an individual why can’t he just be like I’m here I’m present because he because then he then he says it in a snarky like listen if you’re doing your job that’s fine that is that is so petty maybe that is so petty but listen if you’re doing your job and you’re you’re like everybody in the world was talking about how how intricate Danny Hurley’s offense was right everybody how how many times did you hear Trev Albert’s everybody how many how many times did you hear Danny Hurley bring up his offensive scheme or adjustments on his own unprompted never exactly I I whatever for whatever reason the Missoula thing bothers me because I don’t think he understands why he’s successful in that role but wait a minute though of all the criticism the guy gets he can’t he can’t take 10 seconds to and he walked off he didn’t wait for that’s that’s worse he wasn’t even like that shouldn’t like you’re you got to be secure enough for a guy to defend himself and be okay with that you can’t be mad at he’s not even defending the right thing is my point who like who are you I’m just a guy watching on TV like why do you get this he’s the one that has to read the papers every day yeah he’s the one that has I got to read the comment section every day so it’s like if if he wants to take a moment to think he has just because the assertion is is that he just rolls the ball out there no no no that’s not that’s that’s that’s not what you think he thinks no because I that’s not what you just tried to no I was gonna finish he’s the Razer the reason I was gonna I was gonna finish something and you got mad at me in the middle I don’t listen Life’s too short to get mad at you there has to be a certain level of basketball Acumen to be where he’s at I’m not taking that away from him but I don’t think it’s his basketball Acumen that has made this team work it’s the ability to manage the personalities like we said on about NBA coaching a few days ago it’s a his ability to manage his personalities of kind of a weird Team all right so which is it because when we were talking about managing personalities and we talked to a couple guys like sha devony we talked Rashad Phillips we said you know what in playoffs and in crunch time in in in two three day turnarounds that’s when coaching really matters Anthony toer said the exact same thing I get the managing the personalities part right that’s 82 games but they won 64 of them right and I think in really difficult playoff series that is what makes the difference when you’ve got the best player on the team that’s NE the best player on the other team that’s never leaving the floor that gets blown by in a single dribble every time how many adjustments do you have to make are we are we going to act like the Mavs had it easy in terms of getting through the Western Conference no the Mavs had it way harder okay so they’re pretty good basketball team right yes okay I I just pretty good matchup team that I think got fortunate in some of their matchups as well cuz I think Denver would beat the snot out of them I thought this was a weird Denver would probably be the closest thing to what Boston does like it was a weird like I thought the Mavs got super fortunate in the fact that and not that Minnesota’s not good but Minnesota was a really bad match up you don’t have to guard go I I I understand what you’re saying Minnesota was a really bad match up for Denver Denver would have been a really bad match up for Dall but isn’t that part of it though yeah yeah but the luck the matchup luck understanding the matchups okay but he doesn’t control the matchups like if the Mavs have to play Denver they’re not here W he just he just gets no burn huh just just I think he’s really I think I agree on the fact that he’s done a I’m not I’m not trying to tell you he’s naysmith I’m what I’m trying to tell you I don’t know that naith would have done great in today’s modern game if I’m being honest Hey listen he was he had the the forethought enough to come up with peach baskets okay he’s just out there and he’s like uh what’s Happening Here What happened to the cages I just can’t like the devil just can’t get his dude just not even for a second you just just mind made up I give him his due that he’s at least got the the requisite level of basketball Acumen to be in the position he’s in but the thing that makes if anything makes him special it’s not the adjustments and X’s no and whatever I didn’t even I didn’t even give him that kind of Accolade I’m not even saying he’s top 12 coaches in the NBA what I’m saying is if a guy took 20 5 Seconds M to say hey does anybody want to talk about the adjustments from game one to game two and then Waits and then Waits and nobody says anything and he walks off like he’s not rubbing it in your face what he’s trying to say is you know what like this is harder than you guys make it seem unless his next line was my assistant have done a great job I’m not hearing it oh my goodness coming up on the show today we got Jim Henry former kraton coach at a baseball lifer at 7:45 we’ve got Nick deori at 8:30 talk about Florida baseball Brian Edwards Vegas insire at 8:45 Michael Brun Husker 247 at nine: we’ll wrap up the show with John wrathow to talk a little US Open Tigers off to a good start that’s dbm Robin Lula more her at sports radio coming up next we are back here on am590 ESPN ESPN Tri Cities we’re live on Twitter Facebook and YouTube you’re listening to her at sports radio that’s DB I’m Ravi Lula here on the pillar exterior stage DB what up how you doing I’m good I enjoy listening to to Coach Campbell like I said that that’s a guy he probably wouldn’t enjoy it because he’s not he doesn’t like talking about himself but he’s definitely a guy I would take on recruiting visits I just want to follow him around he’s he doesn’t have to talk to me I just want to follow him around he’s um he’s ridiculously thorough he’s extremely humble I say you know what I liked about him every time something would come up he’d be like I’m not an expert in that that’s why I hired this person I’m not an expert in that that’s why I hired this person his humil who does he sound like rule it’s like yeah he’s his humility is is pretty topshelf really really cool presentation about and this is partly like full disclosure sometimes I’ll go back and critique myself not often because I usually wait for other people to criticize me and then I listen to see but this time I I went you know I’m so I’m thinking about um the the the the track times and recruiting right and I was wasn’t push back but I wanted to go a little deeper than just being able to run x amount of time right yesterday and we were talking was that yesterday a couple days ago but yeah it it seemed like a weird thing to pick at partly because just having background information of what else is important I don’t I was very it’s gatekeeping I was very protective of we just keep talking as though man it’s about hitting these magical numbers they just Galloway Jr right guy that they just offered the DB right he’s a 10 1042 or 10 four 500 me oh yep you can run see that’s not that’s not it it it’s it’s it’s it’s part of it but once they they have all these numbers and ranges of motion that go into this data sure then they read and then they look at your body type then they look at they they before you can even really get in the weight room and get busy they look at your balance and the Dynamics of how you’re built and the infrastructure of your body and then they’ll put up measurable benchmarks of comps guys in the league guys that play couple years in in college guys that play Early there’s just all there’s all these data points then they get into specific movements like it’s pretty in my opinion for what it is it’s a lot more complicated than if a guy can run a certain time now that’s a great it’s a great jumping off point sure but there’s a lot of fast guys they can’t play football they can’t play football yeah well so and so I’m I’m kind of I’m I’m I’m a little like internally I’m a little protective of making it seem that trivial so the way it came off when we were originally having the discussion to me was that it seemed like you were saying that it didn’t matter to them and what I think it actually or didn’t matter to them the way or didn’t translate they didn’t think it translated the way I thought it translated is is kind of how where I landed on what you felt about it um what I think and if I’m understanding you correctly and understanding Campbell correctly and then uh Mitch as well who I thought did a really good job of explaining this this guy says about 10 words a day yeah he’s he’s amazing I I that’s a guy if I could fit he’s he’s pretty fit guy I would just sit in his back pocket yeah yeah just just follow him around all day yep so he explained it in a way and I think this is what you were getting at was there’s all these other things that go into it but he has to give it into a digestible number for the coaches that mean something to them yep right there’s going to be all these scientific numbers and math equations and whatever that mean something to him and he goes o I like that but then he has to go give it to the coach as a number they understand whether it’s broad jump whether it’s 40 time whether it’s 100 meter dash vertical jump whatever it is he has to go give that to them in something it’s like this is a thing you understand it comes from a thing I understand that I’m it’s not worth your time to learn because I’ve got multiple Masters and I’m working on a PhD right like you don’t have time for that yeah let me do this and then I will spit out a it’s it’s like I mean well remember when I was talking about watching I won’t um get into the receiver that was hurt but you know a guy goes down right in front of me at practice and they’re using real time data yes reading catapults or talking on walkie-talkie yeah somebody is on somebody’s probably look I gathered is somebody’s probably looking at his readings the Catapult data real time Real Time versus what it was like to start practice versus and he’s saying hey I’m working on this this and this you know write upper this blah blah blah blah and I and I remember the only reason I remember this conversation is because some ding dong it was probably TK or somebody was like you’re just now hearing about catapults and I’m like no num nuts that’s not the point like I’m not I’m not i’ never heard of it being used in real time like that before which is what I was going to get into yeah I’m I’m I understand catapults quite well right I mean I think I think Clemson or whomever else was using them in 19 and 20 but the way that they use data are you hydrated what were your readings before what was your level of vulnerability where did we put your reps at this day this morning or were you on high alert are you in red are you in yellow are you a guy whose reps we should have backed down because we kind of saw this coming with the like when I’m talking about reading those things real time I mean real time well and there’s also like it’s and and I think for me just watching it I’m like this is absolutely incredible they have 151 or 140 guys out here right like just to be on top of it it it was in it just felt like this well oiled well thought out intentional how do we stay on top of this soft tissue it’s like lifting if you have an imbalance between the right and the left leg and they think okay here’s the here’s some wear and tear here here’s the structure this is why his Gates don’t open up this is where his hips are locked you know what he may be a little more susceptible to a potential ACL so before we get there with this let’s work on this yeah let correct it that’s the thing those are the things that I’m talking about well and it it goes to to get back to to Mitch on on what he was talking about yesterday and and the conver we had before we might have we might have that queed up was the the it wasn’t the fact that they didn’t see value in a 106 translating to football it’s that there were a bunch of things below the 106 in terms of the calculations the measurements the readings that they’ve done at that point to understand oh if a guy runs 106 and does X Y and Z there’s a good chance that we’re going to be able to get this output out of him right and so that’s the part I think that Shane play clip six from Mitch go ahead somebody goes somewhere pitching coach wants them to change the strong Mo motion a little bit they go from a 3.1 ER in the from the previous season and now all of a sudden for their first what 50 games they have a 5.4 right so like a lot of that stuff like our coaches are great at what they’re doing and as much as I can support them I will but in terms of like diving into actual mechanics of the sport then I’m not going to I’m going to try to stay away from that as much as I can unless I am an expert in it so using using applicable data and Shane follow that follow that up with um clip three there’s a whole different aspect of like game speed as well right game speed if I ask a track guy who runs a 10 n 11 flat to go out there and run a 40 he’s going to be a little bit slower just because he have track spikes the surface is a little bit softer so he’s not going to run as fast right but he’s still going to be one of the faster guys on the team now sometimes what might end up happening is whenever you get into the game they have to process so much information so there’s a huge difference between the 40 yard speed so like I look at that as like what am I capable of right so I’m capable of a 427 right but whenever I get into the game am I able to utilize that by processing all the information that’s coming at me and being able to turn it off turn it on whenever I need to change directions take the right angle away from people so like track speed gives you that capability right but then it turns into the game speed aspect of where like how can I process all the information that’s coming at me it sounds like he’s talking about gford right there I just that’s a that’s a good example that’s who I thought of like un unlocking it because we have her Coupe referen that specifically yeah like unlocking the processing unlocking the measurables and year two in this defense to allow GIF to be the freaky kind of tester that he is coming up next we’re going to talk to Jim Hendry he’s the I can’t wait kraton baseball coach he has spent a lifetime in Major League Baseball as well that’s coming up next here on herat sports radio wrapping up our number one here on herat sports radio am590 ESPN no ESPN Tri Cities that’s DB I’m Ravi Lula here on the pillar exterior stage we are joined Now by Jim Hendry he’s the former base coach at kraton he spent a lifetime in Major League Baseball as well uh coach we appreciate you joining us how are you this morning I’m doing great glad glad to be on with you guys hey coach really appreciate your time I know Tim and those guys run your raged and a lot of people want your attention when you come back to Omaha so I I we really appreciate your time no anytime back I I actually moved back here you know for like half a year at least the last few years so I’m in Omaha a lot a lot more More Than I Used to Be and glad to be back so anything I can do to help the community or what Tim’s got going on certainly glad to be assisted well there’s a couple big things going on this week obviously we got the College World Series but before we get to that I want to make sure we get to uh this golf tournament the Stella Olsen Foundation golf tournament that’s happening um at Willow Creek or excuse me Willow Lakes Golf Course in Belleview um can you just tell us about that why is it important to you um and why is that something that that’s been such a a big thing well it’s it’s a great thing and and uh obviously that back in my era that you know bill olon was the legendary High School coach in in the state of Nebraska and we were very very good friends and and Greg and I have had a longtime relationship too you know the great career he had but also knowing him in his post playing times uh scouting and and and obviously had a you know along this is going back to the early 80s with Bill 83 884 when I got here and John Bella was always a back then great human being you know gave his gave his life to helping kids you know coached a lot of teams that had no chance to compete with the rest of the world you know where he was at but but just did everything for the kids so uh when I found out John was in in bad health and Tim had called me and uh right when he passed he he wanted to get this going and Bill is has not been in good health now either the last year so yeah obviously glad to help and and rekindle some relationships from way back and and I think that you know Tim is now caring the TS in this town for uh helping Youth Baseball he’s got a lot of other things going for coming up that kids you know can’t afford to play travel ball and things like that which I think is admirable because we’ve lost so many athletic young kids that never even get to play baseball anymore because it cost money to play cost a lot of money to play growing up and and that’s what our Our Youth Baseball has kind of become so I think good things are ahead in Oma for kids that would want to play or get into baseball and just haven’t been able to afford to Tim’s done a tremendous job uh getting this going here in the last three or four months talking with the great Jim Hendry longtime baseball mine about the Stella Olen Foundation golf tournament that’s going to be held out in B at Willow Lakes uh today coach it you’re you’re hitting on a couple of sweet spots for me um I I chose Omaha Northwest to go play baseball one of the the only one of five siblings that didn’t go to Omaha Central because of Coach because of Coach Olsen played against a lot of Coach Stella teams very in tune with what’s going on with with ballparks and and and and trying to grow the game of baseball for young kids because the state as a whole at the high school level plays at a really really high level that number could be even bigger how much does how much just you simply love the game versus you’re you’re wanting the good for the game makes you a really good fit to be kind of a spokesperson and come alongside this endeavor in in the city of Omaha well I do love the G love loved it all my life and you know probably wasn’t capable of doing anything else well career-wise so you know I took a different path than most you know high school and college coach and gotten the pro bow and obviously I’ve had some great jobs and and obviously had a lot of help from of people but uh it’s all I ever wanted to do and be part of and and um as I’ve gotten older and I certainly don’t have the positions I used to have uh I I’ve thought about ways to try to contribute and help the game and and I’ve been on a mission for a long time even in pro ball to make college baseball better and and get more scholarships again we become kind of the sport that you you know have to have some money growing up to play we don’t even know all the great athletes that aren’t playing anymore look at the big leagues or when I first became the GM of the Cubs I think it was oh I think we might have lost him here we’ll uh get coach hry back here um I know he hasn’t been a coach for a long time but I feel like I feel like I still didn’t call him Coach I call him Coach got to I mean right I do think it’s cool also and and Shane will get Jim uh Coach Henry back here in a second but um one of the things I think is cool is so he didn’t actually spend that much time in Omar before and the fact that he chooses to still live here half the year and invest in the community the way he does is super cool like out of his career right wonder if he saw Brown Park before the renovations right which one’s Brown Park so it’s at the bottom of the hill off of 13th we used to play there all the time play it look it’s amazing right and wait we may have him back I because we’re so up against the clock I don’t want to steal yeah any of his Thunder Shane is is yapping say hey coach we got we have Coach back all right as we uh get coach Jim Hendry back here uh coach you with us yeah I’m here coach shut off no way we we lost you a we lost you after when you um first first started with the Cubs what the game looked like for you aesthetically but like I said back then uh I think it was 18 19% African-Americans yeah uh playing in the big leag that now it’s probably down to six or s% and over time with the lack of scholarships uh and the travel ball it’s become a sport where we have to have money to play and so many great athletes drop off along the way it’s not just a loss of African-American kids it’s a loss of many other poor kids that maybe divorced families and and can’t afford to play travel ball and then the scholarship situation has been terrible for years you know you could be the Aaron Nola played for pulmanary at Notre Dame one of the better pitches in the big league I think Aaron had 40 45% I mean that’s uh that’s just the way this game’s evolved over the last you know 30 years so the thing that Tim lowski is trying to do and what all of us want to do all over the country is provide Avenues of kids to play baseball without having to pay exorbitant travel team costs to start with and hopefully the NCA will add additional scholarship sooner or later here that was well needed the last 25 30 years coach in your mind what what is the fix because it does really start have to start at the community level in order to filter up through high school college and then the major leagues I know for a long time Major League Baseball had the RBI program where they were trying to to get baseball going in inner cities again like what can be done even if it’s not at a at a kind of institutional level but if it’s just about people here in Omaha who care about the sport that would love to see more kids have the opportunity to play right well that’s what it takes and I I applaud like Dayton Moore you know the xgm of the royalty started helped start a lot of things in Kansas City now that taken off for kids that couldn’t afford to play normally complexes are built down there for kids to play uh they have a great inner city program and you mentioned the RBI program I think Tim will have some announcements on that coming out he and I have done some work together here the last couple weeks from the commissioner’s office so hopefully we can get some uh support and some help from MLB uh to do the same thing here in town that that Dayton got started in Kansas City so I think good things are coming you’re so right Omaha uh and nebras the state of Nebraska plays very very good high school baseball for you know the weather conditions we they have you know some of the you know the trials and tribulations that other states will have but it’s it’s certainly to continue and to grow it has to start at a better situation if level yeah coach real quick let me get this out before we transition to the CWS if you’re looking for more information go to ww. Stella Olson foundation.org or you can call 40274 3966 you folks know that this is very near and dear to my heart love the sport of baseball just a smidge more than I do football even though I get the association with the other sport love my community love the sport coach let me ask you um level of surprise we talked to Brian oconor Coach O Conor Tuesday morning singing the Praises of John just a couple hours later the A4 mention coach mon manari hires John to to to to join him at South Carolina proud papa like clue me in later you saw it coming like really proud father uh I’ve tried to stay out of his hair all he ever wanted to do growing up he was you know decent high school player in a division two pitcher but his whole life he always wanted to be a college coach um to have the opportunity to spend the last three years out of the gate he’s 26 years old now he spend the last three years with Brian ‘ Conor and uh who I I consider the best coach in college baseball he sung your Praises Tuesday it was it was unbelievable how he said you changed his life it was it was pretty cool well that’s that’s he had a part in changing mind too our closer on the on the World Series team and and just like you’d expect um he pitched in big the biggest games in the country well with you know pretty much average stuff so you can fill in the blanks of how we got it done and with how he’s involved uh you know second to none for me he’s a way better Coach than Jim hry was I can promise you that so my kid got to spend the last three years with him and then Paul maner is probably my best friend in the game the last 40 years his father got me started before I came to kraton and Paul actually was my high school assistant for two or three years before I came to traon at Columbus High School in Miami so uh we have a lifetime friendship it’s it’s a tremendous break for my son um I’m sure Brian would tell you that he’s ready for it uh I I don’t want to be the proud father telling you how good he’s gonna be but I’m really happy for him and uh to to my you know like I said two of the greatest coaches ever uh at 26 years old my son has getting the opportunity to work and getting broken in by two of the best coach uh we really appreciate your time here I also really appreciate how you can’t turn off the Scout brain you’re singing the Praises of Brian o Conor and like average stuff though he tell you the same it’s meant to be a c i me he he wasn’t going in the first round like zovak or Dan Smith did or or Alan Bennis but trust me when when he went out there with a lead in the eighth or ninth inning the game was usually over and greaton was gonna win when you go through the Hinton of the bunts that was some crew in the MVC coach I I’ll see you this afternoon looking forward to it all right appreciate it guys thank you that’s former kraton coach Jim Hendry baseball lifer we’ll be back with more herat sports radio kicking off hour number two here on herat sports radio am590 ESPN my ESPN Tri Cities we’re live on Twitter Facebook YouTube That’s DB I’m Robie Lula here on the pillar exterior stage that was the voice of Mitch choinski he is uh maybe the smartest guy on staff yeah is that fair he’s in the neighborhood again I love love love love love love first of all love the interview with Coach Hendry uh should be a pretty fun golf event out at Willow Lakes at Belleview I’m out there I’m probably I keep wanting to say Willow Creek is that the church is that the mega Church in Chicago yeah okay that’s why I’m having the thing a couple people have gotten in trouble there but we’ll move on from thaten sometimes it happens in mega churches it’s a lot of people to manage happens in a lot of places um out in Belleview fantastic course and uh they’ve got a followup dinner that starts at 5:30 cashios of course it’s got to be at cashios the old school Steakhouse Alfie and those guys um that was where my dad took me when we were ever going to have the the fancy dinner the fancy dinner y um so they’ve been super gracious um you don’t want to know they’re gonna celebrate Tony Payne nice yeah long long I mean 300 wins yeah 300 wins Tony Payne yeah uh so that event will start at 5:30 with the dinner at 6:30 and I mean it is star studded you’re going to have a chance to win auction items and just visit the ww. Stella Olsen foundation.org just everything you need to know even our main man Mike so’s got a force him what listen he you know who he’s playing with Oklahoma Tyler who loves to swing it yeah does he yeah well I was looking for him at Caleb’s graduation yeah sounds and apparently he was golfing with my other buddy who Matt milikin I don’t know milikin yeah great plat view plat yep Dad okay Conor good ball yeah yeah yeah I I know Conor I don’t know Conor but of course Stacy and Conor came the the this one and onea of the bunch because I’m a big Tanner fan too I don’t know about Matt Matt’s in the dogghouse Now Matt Matt’s who made the bacon bomb Oh with the meatloaf and the bacon wrap that I wiped the size sauce off and ate it anyway at Oklahoma Tyler’s house on the back deck yeah so Oklahoma Tyler so okay I’ve wiped out other kinds of meat too uh not helping jerks um okoma Tyler uh I’m not great at golf but I am a fun hang if you ever want to like go out so listen you know one thing you guys share the same viewpoint on being petty well that oh so yeah that’s like that’s a 13 on a scale of 1 to 10 yeah yeah he is extremely Petty I feel like that’s why part of the reason I resonate with him is just like we’re just standing on business you guys could go and crush a bunch of zip lines my PA over local college recruiting oh yeah you share the same sentiment for a particular school’s recruiting style when it comes to like if you’re in the summit League it may not be that stop it may not be that fun to get your ass kicked by kids from your own town every year would you stop it seems like it wouldn’t be that I wouldn’t enjoy it and it’s gonna happen again with Bryson ball going to SDSU yeah I actually felt like I’m not gonna I’m gonna say this and I I don’t want to steal your thunder because we’re gonna get into Nebraska I actually think if and I have a couple scholarships and coming out of high school he’s better than a couple of guys that I think um Lincoln took fly on I I would have oh so you’re in Sam M’s Lane over here no ball I would I would take a good hard look at ball going to yeah take a flyer uh Nebraska now listen SSU might be a better fit for him maybe so I make it his decision so I’m with yes that’s all so I kind of aired with Jacob Padilla back like behind the scenes how the sausages made in our conversation that we were having like I was team JP on that discussion because he wasn’t antiu and Sam he’s just like was not that linear no I get that and I brought that up and and I brought it up with Doug but I Ball’s fantastic he he’s he’s uh and he doesn’t need a babysitter yeah you know I obviously like they’re going to like a change of Direction and ball handling when you’re talking about shooting and being skilled um he’s he’s really really good some some Elite level defensive guard kind of get underneath him uh and and and really kind of force him away but he’s got time to to work on those things he can get stronger he can get better with the ball yeah he like but as far as shooting yeah yeah he he he’s he’s he’s definitely that guy and and then they turned around speaking of summit League Summit League guy as a freshman of the year then Nebraska gets one in the portal in baseball with with kale Frost and I’m like baseball can do it can can can basketball do it oh baseball’s different DB well he’s gonna help him too different yeah I think coach bolt was watching schwellenbach and the Orioles when he got that call nice yeah that Frost is coming so good good pickup out of the portal for Nebraska baseball do uh D is is kraton gonna get anybody out of the portal or I I I am I am very very interested because you know what’s funny that they don’t currently have a baseball team a lot of people kind of threw out John Hendry as a possible as a possible after the 2025 season here’s the problem though who’s signing up to do it the way that kraton’s laid it out I I listen that they’re internally this not bossom in some guys got they have some work to do with how they want to present this baseball program going forward for for this for this job open was not handled well well I’m not gonna disagree with you champ you head coach was on staff already now now he works for Minnesota hey that’s the truth so which do you think I’m happier about Latif saying yes to Nebraska after I prematurely said that he was in or gandasi being in Minnesota when I told cindel he was out they like wait I mean Alex was like well you could read the te Le but technically he tried he tried to save you I don’t do that all I know he did he tried to bail you out hard hey can’t get this kind of professionalism anyway I mean you got six in one hand half dozen in the other I don’t know um thank you aing appreciate that I just feel like uh maybe should have just had the guy who was already on staff to be your head coach that’s makes a lot of sense to me and you know uh going back to our previous conversation as we listen yeah not to get totally derailed to some to some strength and conditioning stuff I didn’t know if it was TK that was that got on me about the catapults oh it was but it was TK because he he popped up in the comments dude this is how I told you he has the number now so he has direct access this is what my man hit me with yeah okay I didn’t chastise you for the Catapult I’m reading it in how I think he would talk to me even though he’s very good natured on the phone oh yeah like when he calls yeah this I could hear the he’s been pretty good nature I mean I’ve never really had a bad natured interaction with him this is the condescending TK right here I didn’t chastise you for the catapults I was merely educating the masses numnuts well you know you’re the numbnuts it’s the numbnuts at the end just the TOs how would you say PS h h h h h h h I’m getting my nuts like man DB come on just to watch it work real time man was was fascina no the the real- time part of it is is interesting and different than what I how I’d seen other people use it that’s not to say nobody else uses it that way um but it’s super big in in European soccer everybody uses those things over there just to to manage it see you listen to him talk it seems fairly well thought out right yeah it doesn’t seem like anything happens on AC acent which is nice because it seems in previous regimes that it was kind of just hey whatever happens happens just kind of Loosey Goosey doing whatever here yeah there’s not not a lot of that that goes on and I think that’s I think you know Sam was talking about this on Monday with us he was talking about kind of the and you talk about the rigor all the time of what is required of these guys and he talked about like hey like if you’re G to make him work this hard you gotta have you got to get some wins at some point right and I’ve been thinking about that for like three days no yeah as it comes back up on a Thursday because I don’t think that’s NE like obviously you gotta win at some point that’s just how it works right yeah I don’t think that’s a direct result of the hard work part though in terms of you have to work hard or you have to get wins in order to justify working hard unfortunately I agree with you because there’s so many other benefits that people will see whether it’s getting drafted whether it’s seeing themselves just improve whether it’s the fact that they just know you know not to get philosophical here because we never do that but to just know that oh I’m capable of more than I thought I was you know we talked a lot about Tony vatello and changing his definitions of success for his team like yes wins and losses are a measure of success but if you can’t and this is where I got in trouble growing up is if you can’t separate the value of the hard work from the result you’re trying to achieve then you’ll start to think working hard isn’t worth it yeah and it’s and so it’s so so you have to separate it it’s so funny the practical application of this what you’re just saying yeah right I’m gonna I’m gonna try not to use this as an example a ton because he’s my own and Coach Hendry reminded me I know Father’s Day is coming up I typ I personally don’t love the holiday but anyway he’s talking talk about John and that relationship right and so I’m thinking about it with Caleb and and the on the rare opportunities that I do talk to him he’s like hey this is where I am this is what I’m doing this is how I feel you know I’m I’m back turnning and punts like whatever he’s saying right and I’m listening to the workouts and I’m watching him grow and he said you know the cool thing about this is and we’re not even talking about playing time do I have a kind of an indication of how they feel yeah but we’re not even talking about playing time I’m just talking about his growth cuz he he he talks with this Joy right like he’s he he he’s just in a good he’s in a good mental spot and you know he’s he’s he’s working the the summer camps and stuff and what have I always said about it most people think I won’t say most a lot of people thought he was a better player than I did personally right I I was I was very especially early right right I knew he had some special attributes I just totally sure yet I just was still a little bitter that he wouldn’t he wouldn’t be all in and train yeah you wanted him to choose something and go with it yeah I I I wanted him to train which but you were wrong don’t do that I was wrong I was 100% wrong no there’s no question yeah so as this thing went on I go you guys got to understand something like he hasn’t trained Sports specific yet he’s a blank slate with his other with his other attributes he’s got a chance to be really really good yeah what you’re seeing from him now is just the start it’s the glimpse so listening to him talk he’s like yep you know I’m I’m finally learning how to run and you know get to 90 in full extension I I I’m better with my balance um I he said I just feel better he said the fun part this is his the fun part of it is while I’m still working all these other techniques right catch and punts or you know they’re retraining you know they play a lot of catch technique um which means they don’t they’re not backpedaling they’re if if you Google this this Google catch technique so he’s like you know we’re in the we’re in the Suites or the hallways or whatever you know I’m working on my catch technique this they’re making it seem like that’s just the the process is part of it it we’re not even talking about anything goal oriented at the end in terms of wins and L no idea if he’s gonna play this YearOne he has no idea if his play is going to lead to wins and losses he has no idea if his process is going to win to lead to wins and losses he doesn’t know any of that right now 100% I’m just listening to him be in love with the process and this is the first time and this is really the Crux of the discussion this is the first time that the university has said out loud what I what I wanted them to say out loud for 15 years 20 almost we are a developmental program he’s when he said that I I was like H I think I’m in love right do you remember that he said that early he said it early it might have been in his opening press and I’m like okay you have my attention yeah you you officially have because that’s how it has to be I I already wanted a grimy grinder I already wanted a guy with got that that you know it wasn’t the best job not that he had available got that not not that he the J this isn’t his best job yeah because he’s worked in the NFL and so the the the multiple check marks were being hit but then to hear somebody say that who never I I can say this and he wouldn’t be mad at me he’s never had a great capacity to go out in work until this last year yeah until this last year never was you know what I mean he he would he he would do what he was told now the downside of that is sometimes you got to go do more yeah even though your level of accom accomplishments appear like you’re doing enough well like so there’s that fine line right what’s the what’s the thing that Roy Williams said I know you’re not a huge Roy Williams Guy what’s he say in the Jordan documentary right Jordan’s there is a freshman he goes hey I want to be the the best player to ever come out of North Carolina he’s like okay you’re going to have to work hard on that Jordan goes I’m working as hard as everybody else and he’s like oh I’m sorry I thought you wanted to be the best player that ever Anthony Edwards I thought I was working pretty hard golden state was like you’re not hard you’re not working hard enough yeah not not if you want to be the best yeah so work as hard as everybody else I did watch the last year right and it helps right he’s he’s super close to to DJ and um you know he gets he got to utilize the building and his the twins like to train and so they got to do extra stuff then you start to see gains and you you just like it I mean Teddy’s grow it’s just it’s addicting and but you need other people around you start time to start to to be goal oriented that’s why I always tell people to stay away from dream Killers but I I say all that to say when the process becomes that important see the the results kind of become secondary because it feels like and I don’t mean results and your gains I mean the wins and losses just any results though I mean because like we go back to what we talked about with the competition and continually to recruit young guys I was using the defensive backs I’m like at some point when the magic happens you go from man who they bringing in now or or who gosh another DB shoot Galloway junr just got another offer in 2025 it would be easy if you’re if you’re not dialed in and enjoy the process not wir that way you you are like man why they keep bringing in all these Corners right Amari how do you think Amari Sanders feels you got five offers in three days to 2025 corn corers right Sanders got a chance to be pretty good I I don’t typically say that out loud about people there there are people that I leave out there are people I talk about Sanders got a chance to be pretty good he has to be built a certain way where it’s about the process it it can’t because and I said I don’t know when this is but at some point when the magic happens for cultural turnover you can cheer for other people and I said yesterday I think in betting bites or or whatever was it was in betting bites yeah where I was like at some point you got to be able to say to yourself this isn’t at my expense it’s he get this young fellow gets to be a part of something great because this is what we get to do here right if you’re gonna go put your arms around Brian Knuckles or or SE Childs or I didn’t really put my arms around D’Angelo but I tried uh Aman uh whomever yeah I know this is o man I’m gonna have to compete against you but I do want the best for you because I think this is pry cool MH like I do you cannot if you want to win you cannot be afraid of competition and so once you get to this is beyond competition they get to be a part of what I’m doing man I’m telling you you can pretty much accomplish anything I’m I’m I don’t care if it’s heard at media yeah I don’t care if it’s Mutual of Omaha when you get over that part and embrace where that’s why I love the fact coach rule almost never talks about himself real time it’s either the University of Nebraska or the state of Nebraska yeah staff talks about staff it has to be something bigger than you it doesn’t matter if you’re the player support staff uh on the field staff in the athletic dep it if when it it’s bigger than you and you enjoy the process that’s when you can really get things done well and there’s you know I brought this up earlier this week right because I don’t you know I don’t have the the Lev athletic experience to draw on that some people do but I did you know I did care a lot about certain things in my life that were very difficult to to accomplish and like I I I told this I think I said this earlier this week I don’t remember it was honor offir it took me six years almost exactly six years to go from a 385 bench to a 400 bench I wanted to bench 400 my whole life that’s the like and like but it took me six years I got to 385 thought I was going to have it a month after that right it took me six more years you know why I didn’t give up CU I love lifting weights yeah I loved it right it was just it was it was just cool to hear him say that because he’s so task yeah he’s so task oriented like if I do this that means I can get this we didn’t even talk about the get part at the end yeah he the first time in in 18 years it was I want to get better at this you know if you know he said th this I almost had to hang up the phone I got a little mushy and I told him I said I text him now I just text him good morning I don’t call I said I’m not talking to you anymore because I’m GNA get in my feels and I don’t like to get emotional especially around this time of the year but he said if I could go back and write a he because he does the player what’s the word where the NBA they write to themselves and it was like the players Tribune players Tribune deal yeah he goes if I could write a letter to my former self now what do you think I my emotion was when he said this he goes I would these are the words he use he could tell he’s been around Nebraska staff he said I would be in Elite level shape and I would do what I’m told I was like okay I gotta go I gotta go I gotta go like that’s probably how it to because he’s he’s he sent a hard Emoji later and it’s I could get emotional talking about it right CU that’s really all I that’s that’s what you wanted for him it’s it’s all I I I don’t care if it’s Tay Jenkins I don’t care if it’s it’s brillan Warren I don’t care if it’s Calvin strong I don’t care if it’s Jordan strong I don’t care if it’s Jimmy foresight at Burke when I was coaching there um I don’t care if you’re a coworker if you make the decision to be around people that you want to take instruction from just do those two things be in Elite level shape and do what you’re told but it’s so crucial that you’re around people that you’re receiving good information from so take your time in making that decision I’m not mad about that’s why that’s why I don’t I don’t mind the transfer portal that’s why I don’t mind transferring in high school because at the end of the day I don’t want to be right I want you to get it right I want you to get it right I can cheer for I can cheer for harpster over at prep I can cheer for any of those guys that I coached that didn’t want to come to to to Westside I don’t care I don’t care that’s that’s why I can that’s why I want to see other people at other schools at a at a high high level because at the end of the day it’s you want people to come to side because you believe it’s the best best with yeah they’re yeah i’ rather i’ rather have you with us well and same thing that rural ones right he said he he thinks Nebraska is the best place for you but if you don’t think that that’s okay y right y as long as you make the right decision for you because what he doesn’t want to see is for you to make a bad decision based on oh man I had this crazy visit and it was emotional and like I told you what he told me about Dylan Rola right real time hey Dylan didn’t pick us he’s he’s gonna he’s enjoying his life down at Buford uh playing at a high level he’s he’s gonna go to he’s gonna go to Georgia I’m gonna wish him the best and I’m gonna recruit Dayton like hell yeah that’s what he said yeah I almost had to get up and leave I’m like pretty good man yeah CA because you you you invested a ton in the what do he say about Trev hey man we’re you guys like loosen up you’re too stop it’s it’s a transaction World in college football things happen got to do what’s best for guys got to do what’s best for them don’t be so hung up on on your best interest think about somebody else like Let It Go and I was like I’m not gonna do that but and I was like if you can say that and that’s your boss and that’s part of the reason you came I certainly can can’t I well I mean you know he he knew he was gonna hire Troy Dan next that but that’s how he thinks no I don’t well you have to so you think that the culture doesn’t have a chance to get going when you have somebody that practices what they breach well that’s the thing is it has to be the reason culture either works or doesn’t work is how genuine it is of the people trying to instill it and if they’re genuine then it’ll work and if they’re blowing smoke you end up with Colorado uh that’s DB I’m Rob we’re gonna talk little Florida baseball coming up next welcome back here on her out sports radio am590 ESPN my ESPN triy cities we’re live on Twitter Facebook YouTube That’s DB I’m Ravi Lula just giving a small Indian name etymology lesson here on uh during the breaks here on her at sports radio so you’ve gone wait what was the ew again emology and hel Helio listic heliocentric heliocentric yeah well done thank you you know I I I used to be smart um it’s pretty impressive vacular so we’re uh we haven’t caught up with Nick yet we’re trying to get a hold of Nick delatori he is the uh senior writer for Gators online you want to know a fun little trivia fact about uhor give me a fun fact rayi they’re currently on a five-game winning streak yes when is the last time they won even three games in a row I’m gonna go all the way back to the month of March further February they had not won as many as three games in a row since the end of February so I knew I was close do you know why why was I close they were bad on because I had gone back and and tried to track how many series weekend series that they had won and it was a whopping total of four yep you want to know the of the opponents where they won three in a row uh they actually won five in a row in Mar at the end of at the end of February okay uh but they were a three-game sweep against Colombia okay I don’t know if you know this not known for their athletic prowess at Columbia that’s the one with the pretty Tar Hill blue SE yeah and the uh the lion yeah that’s a cool logo it is a cool logo very bad athletic when I used to do build a dynasty you’d go col I I would pick something very very similar to that which by the way are you getting in 2025 oh I’m gonna do you have a P5 no I need to get something I don’t have a new system so I have to buy a new system because I’m currently I’m rocking some old school stuff right now so yeah I just haven’t had a need to right NCAA was like my game though no seriously so talking about playing PlayStation 5 so I’m trying to figure out how to pay my mortgage my uh lifestyles of the Ravi and famous I just don’t have kids that’s it so what do you want do you know the bites and all that type of stuff no I have no I gotta ask are you pumped I am super excited so the Free World is if Nebraska sees in tanks they don’t get to their win total it’s totally because of college football if you have kids you’re probably gonna have a p by the way how are those guys even go to class if you have kids by the way you’re probably going to have a PS5 anyway so I mean might as well just buck up but oh no Shane you get cracked from one of those not not uh not trying to I might go Xbox I’m I’m more familiar with the Xbox control blemer I grew up playing like so this is why I’m so fond of the game so my best friend busky fond yeah I’m very fond of the game gosh man who are you why can’t you just say you like it I don’t know because I why can’t you just say love why you have to be fond I love the game so much you know I’m so fond of like that’s in your natural lexicon yeah fond fond Affinity all sorts of things you know oh gosh uh no me that’s how that’s how me and my best friend like I can talk huh I mean you do it for a living um that’s how me and my best friend became best friends is I would go over to his house and play NCAA football and then after like months of that we’re like we should should we do other stuff should we do anything else and then we’re like no we’re not going to do anything else and then like there were several more months that passed by and we’re like yeah we’ll do some stuff and then that’s how I started working out because he had a bench press in his basement well on to the next thing pretty much I also got pretty decent at darts for a while because of that just whatever was going on in his basement we’re hanging out that’s one thing I was never I love darts You’ think I would I don’t know I would think I would be better maybe it’s just attention to detail but I knew I was in trouble because F and or Alvin Mitchell and O um Oklahoma Thailand like they have their own darts and that’s like their thing yeah if you if you if somebody rolls up to a bar and like has a little case like you’re in trouble yeah you got to have good eyes for Damon maybe that’s it I thought I had good enough de but I considering I can’t see de touch just yeah just kind of like like Tiger Woods pitching around the green you know he’s doing all right so far he’s hanging in there yeah just hanging around minus one so far yeah he is one under through six he’s tied with Logan McAllister uh yrp Frederick uh Tim winding uh herio Garcia um there’s there’s a ton of guys at one under uh most notably if you’re looking for oh hey Shane I meant to tell you Ricky flatbill already one under how about that can Fowler win a major that’d be outstanding I’m gonna ask John Rous where Happ I think he asked me that question last year you asked me that question last year Eric Eric I asked I think I’ve asked you for the last four years um it that’s that’s another guy yeah before we get back to football because I got to ask you a question yeah that’s one guy that I couldn’t stand for a long long time Ricky yep okay that now I I I you kind of R for him a little bit yep I just listen to him more and I know you you get on me about press conferences list listen I don’t care you can do whatever you want you just spend a lot of time on it why how come you don’t want to know how people think I had a 30 minute conversation with Mike saer yesterday about a particular parent in the Metro and all I I said you know this is interesting like I want to know how certain people think I I I don’t want to know how everybody thinks and he just kind of let me talk for five or six minutes which is weird for solder because he you know he’s he’s always chomping at the bit Yeah I go do you know what I mean though and I’m not comparing this to like why I watch Criminal Minds and S spu like wanting to know like profile it’s definitely the same thing but I do want to know how something that hasn’t been successful for so long like why you keep doing it like why in spite of the results like I just wanted to be like is is it the Truman what was the one where we got to see how the guy like thought along the way it’s not The Truman Show it was some other Stranger Than Fiction maybe that’s a lot of words for something that I would give a memory to Stranger Than Fiction was it Stranger Than Fiction was will frell maybe thought process kind of yeah space Maybe maybe I don’t know but anyway that’s a phenomenal movie if you haven’t seen it that kind of stuff interests me it’s not like a normal movie maybe stranger is one of my favorite movies it’s incredible so can can I go back to something we were talking about about the the process and why you love coach Rule and you said it started because he like why do you care so deeply about something that is just Sports and it’s because of the way that he relates it to to life right which is kind of what what got your attention with Vell right so you definitely have a you have a thing there yeah so when you’re talking about this I’m just curious to get your thoughts when you have a with the culture the way that it is and we’re we’re clearly for the first time in probably five years not traumatized to use the dreaded c word right because we use it all the time now don’t we culture yeah remember when we were afraid to use it it’s like this dirty word and like the we called it the dirty c word it was overplayed and kind of like to gapping and some other things yeah it’s because we sucked at it okay maybe I don’t okay that’s my assumption so people like talking about stuff they’re bad at and we talk about being in love with the process are you ready to not talk about wins and losses or are you going to go with the big boy approach and say Yep this is a critical year to see tangible results for being in love with the process there is a point where you have to have tangible results that is 100% there’s no there’s no question um I think if they don’t get to a bowl game this year which is just one more win I think we thought that at five and three I know but it’s true it’s still true it’s a true I’m going stop bringing up old stuff it’s as true and they should have won one of those games that’s just they should have won one of those games full stop like you can say that and like that’s okay to say um I’m not going to shy away from wins and losses you’re talking to the only guy in the state that’s predicted a playoff appearance for Nebraska Yeah by 2026 yeah like I that’s not that long from now that’s incredible like I and I’ll stand on that because business I believe that what he is doing and when you do things the right way it leads to success and one of the measures of success is certainly in this business wins and losses just like one of the measures of success in our business is your download numbers or whatever right like we can do an incredible show and at some point if people don’t listen we are failing on one of the measures of success right yeah that’s just how it is I don’t shy away from that I want the download numbers I want the ratings I want whatever comes with it right but that doesn’t change the fact that I think we do a good show whatever those numbers end up being I think it’s the same thing with Nebraska football I think if you do a good show the chances of your numbers being where you want them to be are way way higher and I think if you run a football program the the right way the chances of you not only attaining but sustaining success let’s not forget that Mike Riley was seven and0 right did he do things the way that we think they need to be done probably not but you can have a flash in the pan in order to have success sustained this is the way I believe it needs to be done at least here okay and so yes I don’t shy away from the wins and losses I don’t I I said they’re gonna be eight and four this year I fully believe that do I think that they are all of a sudden a failure and not on track if that doesn’t happen for some reason no that’s where I can make the distinction the ability to compartmentalize I mean it’s a heck of a skill set it’s I try is that what we’re talking about I don’t even recognize what we’re talking about well next we’re going to be talking with Brian Edwards our Vegas Insider here on her wrapping up hour number two here on herat sports radio am590 ESPN ESPN Tri Cities we’re live on Twitter Facebook YouTube That’s DB I’m Ravi Lula we are joined Now by The One and Only Brian Edwards our Vegas Insider B what’s going on man good morning gentlemen how we doing I’m good that that depends how has Luca and his act treated you Brian are you you ready to to kick him to the curb it’s not just much so so pretty much outside of ATS you think he could ever have a style that like could C that we could gravitate towards as maybe not the face of the NBA but as like one of their a top five player in the league in a lot of regards like but we just don’t really Embrace Luca do we I mean some nights I love him but his whining to the I thought his whining to his whining to the officials is um just so lame and last night did I read last night the only games he’s ever fouled out of were an overtime like that’s the first time first time in regulation ever did you uh no I mean it was close but um I don’t you think I didn’t really once once it went to review I was like Oh They’ll overturn that because I thought he did establish position but it was pretty bang bang he gets away with a lot too so I wasn’t gonna cry over that 5050 call I I didn’t like I didn’t like it though but I’m always afraid to had the conversation of when you need to keep superstars in the game isn’t that kind of dicey yeah but I mean I I I don’t think you can blame kid there I think he’s got to be in there with it was four minutes and change yeah yeah I thought you when you’re a ref trying to keep superstars in the game I was oh yeah it’s like oh my fault I thought you talking about okay my bad I thought I thought you talking about foul trouble are you okay with having that discussion like how to officiate a game for super to keep superstars in the game um I mean you gotta call the game right it’s right that’s kind of where I want to land the plane but here’s the thing here’s the thing okay if Luca didn’t just berate officials all the time he would never foul out I promise how about when he lost the ball out of bound and Drew holiday probably fouled him yeah but he just Can’t Let It Go officials are humans like I don’t I’m not saying doing it on purpose but if you’re like I had the same problem with balini back in the day if you’re just standing there screaming in a guy’s ear for three hours subconsciously he’s not gonna want to help you out at all like that’s just how it is not at all sure he’s not’s yeah if there’s a bang bang play he’s not gonna be like ah yeah like it’s just subconsciously it’s going to go the other way cuz you’ve been screaming at him for three hours and in this case you’ve been screaming at him for three games if you’re Luca like knock it off right right I mean his whining with the official I mean it’s like everybody in the NBA does that though LeBron LeBron certainly gets away with it yeah LeBron I don’t like him either so that that’s neither here nor there that might be a bad example LeBron isn’t conent like this though like yes he complains and he’ll kind of make faces and stuff but Lucas is the entire game yeah right like whether it’s in the playoffs whether it’s in the regular quarter yeah it is like LeBron will get after you a little bit but he kind of picks his moments Luca is literally every call yeah it’s brutal yeah so I don’t know what I don’t have no idea what to do with the side in game four but shame on me better better L than never though uh give me the under um you the first three 205 203 196 and we’re still in the two teens let’s see uh where are we uh oh what happened um okay here we go uh 211 and a half just give me the under I have no clue on the side for game four but give me the under were you surprised that they open as The Slight fave a little bit a little bit yeah I was thinking Boston minus no point have they look like the better team you got to be counting on Boston to lose focus because they can Dallas can’t get a stop not I I I can’t see Dallas getting the stop when they need one ever yeah no I’m I’m with you and you know finally they got their Fringe player I mean at least Lively who had made all 16 field goal attempts against Minnesota but was non-existent at at Boston you know he he finally had a good game he had a double double uh last night and uh just not enough not enough that third quarter was just uh devastating to them I want to get into some win totals because you know we’re talking about putting success and what success looks like we’ve just talked about this all over the place and and uh I want to put some practical application to it so I want to start with a couple teams on Nebraska schedule in terms of win totals to help us get there let’s take a look at the Colorado Buffalo let’s let’s start with them first which most people look at is is uh Nebraska’s first must win yeah so total of five and a half over minus 138 under uh plus 112 uh they’re minus8 and uh week one at home to a very good FCS team in North Dakota State I think they’ll take care of that they are plus six and a half at Nebraska I’m going to give that one to the Corn Huskers and you know if Jeff Sims doesn’t fumble the ball all over the place um you know who knows where that game uh would have gone last year Colorado minus8 at CSU not a layup but I’ll give him a w I’m going to give him a w at home to Baylor uh a loss at UCF I I think Avery Johnson uh will run all over them when K State comes to Boulder um ET Zona I marked that as a swing game uh they had a three-point game last year I think they beat uh ciny at home at Texas Tech I got to give them an L there they’re plus eight at home to Utah I got to give him an L there excuse me at Kansas uh that’ll at Kansas that’ll be a shootout that’s a tough one I marked that one as a swing game but I probably lean to KU there and Oklahoma State at home I I mean I think oi Gordon will run all over them so is is he the best player in college football he’s one of them he’s one he was a running back they’re gonna be okay Oklahoma State gonna be no doubt I mean they’re always going to be okay with with Gundy in my opinion so uh what did that so that has them let’s see 03 04 four five six two six I think I counted four with two swings four yeah um yeah four and seven so I don’t think they’re gonna well they’d have to win at Arizona yeah and who know that that roster was decimated after fish left you’d have to win they’d have to win at Arizona and at or and against Kansas I think to get over five and a half how is Utah only plus eight right now Utah’s gonna beat the breaks I think Utah’s got a really good Ring’s back and that team’s in they’re gonna be good if they had cam Rising last year like they might have been in the playoff that team is really yeah they they had no quarterback play at all last year and they still how many win how many games did they wion last year like they were still good last year and they couldn’t I mean their quarter you talk about bad quarterback play four four string guys yeah they were on like third they started a third string guy to start the season like Utah with Cam Rising back is going to be incredible go ahead yeah I mean you look at their losses last year they only scored six to Oregon they only scored seven against Oregon State only scored seven against Northwestern I mean their defense will be really good as usual I mean they get seven starters back on defense and now you get rise yeah Utah’s going to be tough they’re gonna they’re GNA beat the breakes off Colorado that’s that’s a good football I’m hammering the Colorado under not that anybody ask me um it’s because of his affinity for Dion Sanders I think he’s a really good dude um I’m a Florida State guy too be so you know if I dislike this dude like it is serious um every n every no hates Dion these days yeah because he’s trash um Dion’s a tough hang isn’t he I mean he acts like a child so that makes sense um so I want to go to a team where I’m actually hammering the over and that is the Iowa Hawkeyes at seven and a half wins I don’t know how they don’t get to 10 this year like I’m looking at their schedule I it sets up pretty well for them what do you think be man I’m sorry I I prepared for those first three I know you gave me a heads up on Iowa but I I I know I threw that at you I apologize no no no let’s save Iowa for next week if you don’t mind just because I didn’t really prepare all right let’s go let’s go let’s go to USC USC USC okay man I just I mean they’re defense I mean so I looked at what they did in the portal um they got 17 trans ERS but only five or four star guys I mean I just there’s no like enormous influx of talent defensively I just think they’re gonna be awful defensively again look LSU has lost four season openers in a row but I I think they’re finally gonna get off the schneide in a season opener I might be at that game I’m gonna be in Vegas that weekend so I think USC loses that one beats Utah State I think they lose at Michigan where they’re a 10 and a half Point Underdog they’re a four and a half Point favorite at DraftKings at home to Wisconsin I think they probably get that one they’ve got to go they gotta fly East three times in five weeks so they’re probably better than Minnesota and Maryland but they’re going to lose one of those uh they’re plus four at home to Penn State I I don’t know they beat Ruckers at home at Washington not a layup I’m gonna give them Nebraska at home they’re minus four and a half at UCLA they’ll win that I don’t know I don’t think they’re GNA beat Notre Dame at home so the win total is seven and a half and um I think they’re going to go seven and five so I lean to the under on that one and look I mean the Miller Moss look great in the bowl game but there’s a one game sample size you know we’ll see you know who else looks great one for one game Matt Castle um he’s he’s on a rooll this morning B we appreciate your time as always we will catch up with you again next week hey that was fun hang guys we’ll see you thanks me Brian Edwards our Vegas Insider you can also catch him in major WI major B we’ll talk to you later we’ve got more herat sports radio coming up next kicking off hour number three here on herat sports radio am590 ESPN Oma ESPN Tri Cities KF in Lincoln that’s dbm Ravi Lula we are joined Now by The One and Only Michael Bruns from Husker 247 bruny what’s going on man much how you guys doing well hello MB how are things not bad I I I’m curious to know your thoughts Damon you’re a veteran the uh the drop off line because it get it gets worse in the summer right like summer camp drop off line is it’s like a circle of hell so the thing that that’s funny you ask righty so the thing that makes Summer people they already don’t follow pickup and drop off rules and and summer it’s like times 10 because a lot of times it’s parent parents no disrespect to any parents that just want some of their alone time they can’t wait to get those kids there and they don’t even have anything to do so like the sense of urgency to not follow just simple driving rules is heighten yeah isn’t it crazy yeah and then you mix in you mix in the people that have to have grand grandparents do pick up drop off and like my in-laws are are perfect pick up offers and drop offers they do it regularly but you get the summer grandparents doing it and it’s just it’s chaos now now where do we go again yeah they’re backing up they’re parking where they’re not supposed to it’s it’s uh yeah do you do you have cones no cones that’s maybe that’s the problem oh you need to get some cones out there so this particular scholing question that that that I’m talking about has not only crossing guards but they’ve gone from small regular looking cones to Big orange and white candy cone candy corn cones because apparently people try to get either weave in and out of those or drive over them occasionally just need to bring out the concrete barricades next let’s go it’s in it’s incredible every day every morning of Summer drop off is like the car chase scene from Bo like it’s just hubcaps everywhere people dragging their cars Le you kids hopping out of the cars while it’s still moving what you got you got Scotty chefer in your drop off line or what yeah yeah I got cop allegedly not even allegedly anymore those were dropped 80 pants Beyond repair runy sorry excuse me we I feel like the drop off line in the summer is probably like in the interstate on Saturdays you don’t have your normal Rush Hour crew you got people that normally don’t go those directions and so even though there’s less traffic it is a nightmare I just don’t understand why we can’t take 80 east or west on Dodge and not have it be backed up it’s always backed up nothing’s impeding progress just just slow down yeah God it’s crazy everybody getting off on 132nd to go to Walmart you even they even give you another option to go 114th and 120th get your ass in gear bruny I gotta ask you something because your colleague started this uh a couple of weeks ago well last week which one uh I I it was Mike Jay and he was he was talking about like making the observation that everybody is uniquely pulling in the same direction whether it’s support staff recruiting coaching strength and conditioning nutrition and it it just got me thinking as we listened to that that Coach Campbell clip are these things that when we hear them say Hey you know such and such is responsible for this he he collects the data I do this it all goes back to reporting to the big man and I I believe in communication and he processes the you so you can tell it’s well oiled is this just like wow this is cool we haven’t seen it done like this before or do you get the sense you know what this is just what functional programs should be doing all the time we’re not used to it uh both I mean I I think that that’s what functional program should be doing I mean I college football programs that have the resources that Nebraska does are I mean for for lack of a better comparison they’re corporations right like you you’ve got so much money involved you’ve got a really large group of of people that are working for you and everybody has the responsibility I mean I think more of it is the structure that you provide that and I think that’s the difference I mean that when when you talk to a lot of people on on Matt Ru staff um not not a lot is kind of left left to chance you know what I mean like I think people know what they’re supposed to be doing they know what their little corner of the world is that they have to be responsible for and and to to dominate and you also have the the the expectation that like you know Matt R kind of has his hands in everything yeah and wants to know everything and I mean as as an example you know I I’ve covered five camps this week and even if it was a 14-year-old kid who you know was only just working out because hey it’s a chance to go out in Memorial Stadium play a little football like every one of those reps was being recorded by somebody and somebody was probably gonna watch those reps you know what I mean like that’s that level of detail I think is probably what stands out to me the most like and I think I think good programs and good organizations kind of have the common trait that that you’re you’re you’re good at details like that’s that’s what you do and I mean Matt rule has high expectations for people I mean he talks about that repeatedly and you know I I think he challenges people to to step up and do things and I think people respond to that so I I don’t know if I answered your question but I I think I think there’s a level of organization there that that has not been at Nebraska in quite a while and I think part of that is just because because of the way that Matt rule runs his program interesting that answers it well enough to get a followup because it it led me to believe so the part that may actually be unique is the fact that we have a head coach that dabbles in like you know folklore studies he’s an Avid Reader he’s he’s talked about Malcolm Gladwell like we know he’s extremely bright you have to have somebody there that can actually process the data too it’s not just the enough to churn and burn the numbers but there’s like this applicable component where it’s like Find meaning all right well so so what do we do what do I what do we what do we do with what I know yeah well and I think I think what helps that too and and you’re right about Matt rule I mean I think he thinks he spends a lot of time thinking about those things about recovery about you know the way that they’re lifting the way that they’re eating I mean that’s that’s why they went out I I have never in my life gotten a message from somebody one of my co-workers about the fact that the hire that they made on the nutrition staff was a big loss for an SEC program that’s yeah but you got you got one this time didn’t you yeah she she’s incredible yeah but I mean my my broader point is is like as much as Matt R thinks about all those things then you kind of have to um he goes out and finds the right people that are experts in what they do and and kind of you know lets them work like I I I don’t think that he’s you know a micromanager I think he thinks about things but I think he also gives people attitude to kind of do what they’re going to do and what they’re good at so um I good programs and I’ve thought this for a while M mainly from a recruiting point of view but the programs that generally recruit well it’s the head coaches that’s that are among the best Recruiters on the staff and set the tone for everybody else and set the expectation and I think that Matt rule the one thing that he does a really nice job of is he sets the tone and the expectation um you know in a lot of different areas that that I don’t think a lot of college coaches probably do we’re talking with Michael Bruns from Husker 247 Bruns I’m glad you brought up the term micromanage because as we’re having this conversation and I I agree I don’t think he micromanages his staff and I wouldn’t I I think he very clearly puts talented people in positions to do what they’re talented at where I do think you could make the argument if it went a if it went wrong is with the players they ask very specific very detailed things of their players and they kind of walk them through that process like you were talking about earlier and I think that’s necessary in order for development but my question then is how do you prevent that type of philosophy from turning into micromanaging your players lives yeah it’s well at some point the players do it themselves so when when they take ownership of the process right yeah I mean I I think it’s about setting a standard it’s about setting expectations and then you know the the hope is is that you know you as time goes along you have to police things a little bit less and less and you have Ty Robinson policing things or you know Isaac gford saying No this is how we do things um you know I think there’s probably a little bit of a uh entry delay for for some of the younger guys coming in and getting used to doing things in a very particular way but um you know I I always go back to something Matt Ru said he said gives guys the gives his staff and players the gift of high expectations and that that always stuck with me because I was like oh that’s a really that’s an interesting way of putting it and I I get what you’re saying Robie I think I think though at some point you get to you get the players owning it more than like an than a position coach having to kind of constantly be over somebody’s shoulder and always like checking that they’re doing the right things like when gford hops in and teach and kind of correct take a drill versus Cooper having to do it right or I mean there there’s only so much time that coaches can be around players too so you know a lot of the summer stuff is player run and that’s where you’re leaning on those veterans who to to kind of to run things you know what’s interesting because you I I it’s a good thing I’m learning to be a good listener after 50 years I was 50 years old when I learned to listen to conversation that doesn’t directly involve me I’m listening to the the micromanaging and the autonomy thing and there are times where I know coach rule may go read or get on the treadmill or or go get a workout in with with Coach Campbell or something when they’re in offensive and defensive meetings and sometimes I I kind of didn’t believe it at first until I I’ve actually seen the practical application of it and I asked him about it and he says you know I want to empower my coaches you know they’re paid a salary they need to be able to do their job I I they’re hired because I trust them to do a job but let’s not kid kid ourselves DB I’m still in the know when and how and how often I want to be how much of what you guys are kind of talking about with the passing off versus the term micromanaging has to do with the fact he knows when he can want to know things all the time but knowing when to let things happen in the natural course of what they do yeah I mean it’s a it’s a feel thing I kind of AG yeah that’s a good term feel and I don’t know I mean I think he I you know my sent is he has a pretty good idea of of how he wants things to run and I don’t know I mean you’re a coach I mean are there times where you kind of let things happen happen and and kind of see if it can be a learning experience and there there’s probably times where you know like okay this this is going a little a little sideways let’s get in here and and and get things back on track I mean I think that’s part of it and your it’s the thing you brought up about you know him kind of wanting to know what he wants to know I mean it was clear um you know last spring that he was watching a lot of interviews that were being done um with assistant coaches and kind of hearing what they were saying because he would bring it up yeah good call runs and I was yeah I mean he was aware of what was being said out there um for sure and I think that’s kind of an example of it I mean I’m sure he’s probably not sitting there like clicking through every interview from Spring ball but if there was one he wanted to listen to I’m sure he was was able to find it pretty easily so okay he just keeps Brun man we don’t hang out enough okay so to that um the the the balance again I’m going to use the word the balance between being in the know and kind of having rabbit ears we’ve seen ruin some head coaches here right like yeah but he’s but coach he has this way of letting you know he knows without he doesn’t seem passive aggressive or or Petty but he you do understand and it’s a great catch by you and I’m sure your colleagues are there as well as some other bright guys but you he lets you know he hears what’s being said right but he doesn’t come across is paranoid no or or does he I don’t want to put words in your mouth for me he doesn’t I think he’s pretty crafty well I mean it’s there what’s up the old Sports Illustrated article about Bobby Knight was the rabbit Chaser thing if you keep chasing the rabbits eventually the elephants will kill you um like you can’t get get caught up in the minutia of things or chasing things that are unimportant or score settling or whatever um I and I think that sometimes sometimes can be an issue for coaches especially at Big programs um and kind of figuring out what’s worth your time I I’ve never gotten the sense from Matt rule that um he’s been particularly particularly hung up on that stuff I mean like even in post game and and things like that he’ll he’ll mention sometimes like like you know I’ve heard this this week [Music] or the infamous Maryland reference well last week you guys wanted me to kick the field goal right I mean I heard that yeah yeah yeah so he’s been around enough he gets it he understands that piece of it but yeah I mean I I think your your read of it’s probably correct I mean he’s pretty good about letting people know what uh what he reads and hears and and I mean he’s I think he’s very aware of narrative things I mean even going back to last spring with the discussion about what hinr harberg role was going to be um I think he was clued in pretty quickly about what people were saying about that Bruns I you know so there there’s this thing that that DB brings up all the time and something he wants out of his Nebraska coaches and that’s that he doesn’t want it as the head coach he doesn’t want it to have been their best job as a head coach do you think that matters in the way that rule processes information like if you’re coming from well his experience for sure that’s what I mean if you’re coming from never being ahead coach like Bo Pini or if you’re coming from UCF like Scott Frost or you’re coming from Oregon State Like Mike Ry and you just have no familiarity at all with not in a real sense of like what it’s actually like in a place like Nebraska like how much how much of it do you think is that where just like oh he’s kind of seen you know like it got pretty ugly at Carolina there for him I mean Baylor had to be awful especially at the beginning right like Baylor had to be terrible uh Carolina got ugly at the end like is is it just a matter of like I’ve been through this what you guys say like there’s just an experience of maturity there that we haven’t just from their resumés haven’t had from many Nebraska coaches recently yeah I mean he’s got a unique resume for sure I mean I I think probably being a player at Penn State was pretty instructive too I mean I I think you you probably get a when you’re in a big program like that I I think it’s it’s really valuable experience um you know obviously what he went through at Baylor I mean that’s that’s pretty darn unique um and you know I mean Temple you know he had to build at Temple too I mean that that was the other thing I mean that that was not a a job where every year that was just going to kind of run itself so yeah I I mean I I even think back to I think there’s value in kind of having to go through things too that are just kind of unique like I don’t know if this is a good example but even like 10 miles what he faced his first year at Colorado State I mean some of of the stories he tells about you know you know things that you have to navigate I mean teammates with with guns and stuff like that I mean like you that that’s not in like the coaching handbook you know what I mean yeah so I mean I I think you know he in terms of Matt rule I mean I think he’s just kind of the the sum of all those various experiences and he’s uh you know this is his third college program that he’s LED I’m sure he learned a lot in the NFL about what works and what doesn’t and you know kind of reflecting on that so I think it’s all it’s all valuable and I you’re right though I mean he he does have a very different resume from coaches that have come into Nebraska over the last 20 years it’s interesting that you say that again I must I’m thank goodness I’m learning to listen you know there’s been this Bugaboo right about the metro and why can’t coaches just go 45 minutes and your Cog league is Infamous he had one of the greatest meltdowns ever when he’s like it’s not that hard it’s Friday nights like they’re in town like get in your car and uh you know he coach rule would say I’ve been to I’ve been to Philly right East Philly I’ve been to you know you should see where I recruit some of these guys out of you think I’m in I’m intimidated by by coming into Omaha Nebraska hasn’t been able to to to lock up a city that’s 45 minutes down the road he because it’s nothing I I I respect the city but I’m certainly not going to be uncomfortable and I just was like that must be that simple versus easy thing because you say it so casually and I believe every word of it because you do just you I mean you’ll come here a couple times a week and it’s hey no big deal right you’re GNA do your thing and it has been very very hard for whatever the reason for people to get over that hurdle I think a lot of it has to do with his experience was it I mean you can speak to it better than I can I mean is it it’s it’s just time right like yeah yeah yeah like is is it is it that simple well so Brony what do you do with the fact where he said you know he’ll go to a basketball game or he’ll hang out with with somebody that may not be super popular or he’ll sit with somebody or be seen somewhere and he couldn’t he said listen I’m I’m gonna do me I’m going to live my life authentic I I the quote he was great right he’s like I I don’t cheat on my wife I don’t do this I don’t do that like I’m going to be me not going to live in fear of being authentic and I just was like it was so refreshing to hear because that’s all I’ve ever wanted not all that’s a big part of what I wanted from leadership like whoever you are be that person and once he said that I’m like gosh we so have a chance like he’s not he’s not going to be bogged down by the tradition Coalition or whatever that term is or or or former players or what like he’s going to do things his way whatever it is yeah yeah I mean that’s I mean you’re talking about the Metra I mean I’m sure that was a big part of it I mean just the other part of it is too I mean it it Whatever happened before is not not on Matt ru’s tab you know what I mean y like and he’s clear about that too isn’t he right it’s true though I mean like you can’t go back you know eight years ago and send multiple assistants to Omaha um but I mean authenticity probably goes a long way and just being upfront with people I mean that’s not a that’s not unique to Omaha um and I I think that’s why he’s had a lot of success uh you know recruiting to this point authenticity and relationship building is a big thing in recruiting and it always will be that’s Michael Brun Husker 247 bruny not not on your tab bruny I love it I’mma put that on a t-shirt we appreciate your time as always we’ll talk next week see you guys thanks thanks buddy don’t forget wearing your seat Bel can prevent injuries and save lives but only if you wear it properly make it click a message from the ndot highway safety office more her at sports radio coming up next we are back here on herat sports radio am590 ESPN my ESPN Tri Cities KF in Lincoln that’s DB I’m Robie Lula you can hear us on Twitter Facebook YouTube we’re live on the pillar exterior stage you kind of do a little head Bob there you all right you doing okay I almost made another face but we seem to have a lot of comedians in our Mak YouTube streamyard that catch me doing weird stuff and I I haven’t forgotten that I’m on seems like maybe seems like maybe you do forget sometimes I’ll just do my own thing it it keeps me sane too like I’m not just gonna sit here and be like hey man like that’s a horrible take about Missoula come again not even wrong I’m not even wrong so you want to you always ask me this is a different kind of trivia you know how we like to play it on the Fly this isn’t like Alma moders or anything but do you remember I do like Alma Mo trivia but yeah me too do you want to play yeah we can play some it’s kind of weird hey can I come over did you still have your friend say yeah can I come over I was telling you that’s what I was telling you about the NCAA that’s like what me and busky used to do you do you want to come over and play yeah it’s kind of weird now be like hey you want to you want to go you want to play some uh you play some we graduated to saying play dates and it kind of weirds me out I’m going to go to Charlie’s birth wait who the heck is Charlie you’re six I’m not going to Charlie’s can I come over and push some weights now that we could definitely do I do I do still have a bunch of weight to create equipment in my basement that I am not using right now hey it’s like a gym membership without having to pay no uh do you remember what I told you after this wasn’t even like this was the time I was down and I talked to Parker the running back yeah so not like the whatever but Kristen pulled us aside do you remember what I told you when I when I said I just get the sense this is gonna be Taylor Made if he can just do what Jamarion or Caleb do what he’s told yep yeah good ding ding ding ding ding listening to her say that is exactly why I think she should be on recruting trips because if you listen to her and you spend any amount of time and you watch what a boss she is you want your kids around somebody like that yeah you no no like listen you want to know how to grocery shop hang around Kristen you want to know how to eat hang around Kristen you want to know that your kids are getting the best food po do you know how long it took her to parse through the food service she treated that thing like it was the CBS Paramount Sky Mountain merger which I think just fell through yeah right like it was she was not playing around she can say things like you think I’m not you think I’m gonna take this job and not get to do this the way I want it do you really think I’m not going to get to hire who I want do you not think that this area is GNA look the way that I want I want cooking stations we’re not doing the buffet thing we’re and it’s like I know I always say deep down kids want to be led but so do adults and I felt like after what now keep in mind I see her on the road too like so I actually I see the practical application of her job she’s a total like she’s the real deal and so if you could just do if you could just do what you’re told and it’s you you’re going to give me vitamins you’re going to give me good food you’re going to make sure that I’m getting proper rest you’re going to you’re going to test me with Sal you’re going to make sure that I’m operating at maximum efficiency and I don’t have to do this on my own what could be better just ask your 37 soon to be 37 year old self that what could be better yeah well so here’s here’s the caveat with all that though right oh Lord are you gonna wet blanket me lus no no I’m not is I agree with you most kids want to be led I but I think the older you get uhuh the more qualifiers there are to that when you’re like a little kid well come on now sure right but but it’s important it’s an important distinction right because sometimes that differentiation happens younger for people than others sometimes by the time you’re 18 you’re not hearing it from anybody and maybe you’re not going to be S that successful because of it and I think that yeah some of those guys end up going home yeah some of those guys end up going home some of those guys don’t end up coming to Nebraska in the first place because they’re like that’s that doesn’t really seem like it’s for me right and they might be good players they might be good athletes they might be really good at football and Nebraska is will be like hey probably not a good spot for us probably not a good fit for you let’s move on right there are things there that you have to be you know whether it’s we talk about rigger and I think people think we’re talking about the physical nature of football where you’re going to get beat up right you’re just physically it is a the most difficult thing of the major sports that we do right it is the most insane of the major sports that we do especially with Caleb back there punt returning like his ding-dong of a dad um it’s unnecessary being a being a punt returner is full psychopath Behavior it’s kind of unnecessary it is you know it is all right you’re just looking straight up into the sky waiting for people to come hit you what could go wrong anyway but but you’ve there is a there’s a type of rigor that is different from the physical beating that you take playing football there’s a mental rigor there is a there’s a most people call it discipline but that’s hard on some people especially if you’ve never had it if this is the first time in your life you’re being led man that’s like let me ask you something Nails on chalkboard to some people I’m vibing would you rather be that would you rather be a a blank slate young or the guy or G that’s got to go to work every day that questions the the validity of their of their being right because when you get to that point and sometimes you process that psychologically you’re like you know many adults can’t do the same thing with a con at a consistent level every day so I’m not saying it’s a bad thing that they do no no no I I’m just CU I’m just thinking out loud yeah would you would you be like kind of like coach coup said when it comes to developing where you you don’t have certain skill set so he can just teach you and not retach or would you rather have the experience so you can pit it against your initial what you called caveats yeah so I think to me it’s it’s really not about the like if you have to choose if you’re teaching hey I’m taking this lump of clay and I can mold him or I got this other guy a finished product but maybe well I I at least want you to have a frame of reference but but maybe maybe he doesn’t maybe he’s not a great maybe he doesn’t learn really well in terms of like maybe he’s not teachable that’s the word I’m looking for maybe he’s not super teachable not super coachable but man he’s really good already yeah we use that with readymade sales guys right yes right or you’ve got this like hey this is all the raw materials I need to turn into a good football player but right now it is just a guy who’s fast on a track but everything else is there but I have to turn him into the football player you think guys that hire and gals that hire at a high level like the fact that there’s some there’s some baseline things I.E track times or how high to jump or sales experience or do they is the key to good people that bringing good people they’re like I need this this and this I can teach you the rest yes 100% the L the ladder if you’re just looking for people that have experience doing the things you need you’re going to fail with those people more often than you fail with people that you’re like hey these are good people these are people I want to work with I can teach them the skills like you want to take real pla practical application like that’s that’s the real world application of that but here’s here’s the problem that you run into with whether it’s and I I’m not trying to use experience as a bad word right but that’s just kind of what we’re talking about here the people that are kind of entrenched in the way they do things a lot of times a they don’t they’re not real teachable they’re not real coachable and B they a lot of times they’re missing crucial elements whether it’s a discipline whether it’s an ability to withstand rigor whether it’s an ability to take accountability for things I’m with you let me give you an example and you tell me what you rather be would you rather be kind of a Polish DB a little bit closer to like uh let me um let’s say Bole right or BL Hill no not so much because I think BL had a lot of work to do like we had I was using BL as a as a as the raw okay okay that’s fine let’s use BL they really like his frame and whatever and right he’s a guy that you could they they were like hey if the season started tomorrow with play or would you rather be because you have to have both or would you rather be a guy that has that that’s like let’s take Caleb that says you know what I’m really I’m working on this catch technique it’s it’s a little new um I just I want to get past that and then I think I can do this this and this right because the same guy is coaching you yeah but it’s different things I’m taking the second guy I want the second guy I want the guy that hasn’t scratched the surface yet on what he’s capable of and is willing to do all the things that I’ve asked him to do okay that’s fine that’s the guy I want but if you’re a developmental program you better know how to stagger those two things because sometimes you don’t have time to be taking the second guy that’s the fallacy you always have time to take the second guy well I I it’s a fallacy it’s a f that you always have time to take the second guy we let external pressure think that we don’t have time for it but you know what you don’t have time for to miss with the first guy and then realize you need the second guy that’s what you don’t have time for bad and tough hangs I you got me to nod on that one a little bit that’s what you don’t have time for coming up next we do have time for our guy John wrathow we’re going to talk a little US Open here on herat sports radio wrapping up the show here on her at sports radio am590 ESPN n my ESPN Tri Cities KF in Lincoln and we’re brought to you by Durkin designs there’s been a ton of weather going on I thought I might need some work after last night things were getting a little dicey in my neighborhood and if I did I would have called 4027797180 creative he’s got great pictures on the site oh yeah Ju Just give me like a quarter of that you’re old rocks man he could probably make those look fancy not don’t be fooled by the rocks that he got he’s not Jenny From the Block he’s Dirk in designs 4027797180 doing good I are you gonna chastise me I I was we’ve got the the quad box going on here in studio and I fell in love with the famous uh driving Twirl in Tiger’s hands on number one and since then he’s gone two over through 10 did I fall for the fool’s gold and you’re like you sucker like you watched all you watched all the pressers on week that he was playing DB you ding dong it’s it’s fine John I I feel for the yoky dope man it’s always tempting he’s so good such a legend and I just saw him miss a another par Putt and it’s probably not going the way he wants to the ball striking doesn’t look amazing the putter looks actually pretty good so far um but yeah I think him making the cut you know I think that’s still very much in play but he’s got to kind of grind this out here for the the back nine is it is it too easy just to be like hey sheffer’s killing it like he’s probably going to win this thing again like is it is it is it just until further notice sheffer’s the dude it’s a major you got Brooks yeah I mean Brooks is making a his name known here early on and he actually LED this thing early on back in 2014 before anyone knew who Brooks kepa was so he likes it around here I mean Sheffer obviously is the man right now I will say that um you know you saw Scotty make a big number at the memorial last week that is much more possible here for every golfer in the field I think the the golf course it is going to be a big story this week it’s it’s an awesome test um I had a chance to cadd here back in ‘ 05 it was a little bit of a different Golf Course them but still the guts are there and I mean I think Scotty just like anyone else you know you hit a ball a little too hard or a little too soft all of a sudden it’s back down at your feet you make a double bogey like you can you know get out of rhythm quickly so I don’t think it’s just like open and shut case that sheffer’s going to run away with this thing this week although he very very well made could could win okay I understand full well I love the sports so I know you need them all but I’m gonna I’m going to hold your feet to the fire and you have to rank these in order of importance for this course for the open this weekend are you ready yeah okay ball striking mental fortitude or the ability to shape shots shot shaping fortitude or ball striking rank them uh yeah okay so I think if you’re going to win the thing uh number one is going to be mental fortitude just because it’s the US Open and it takes guts to win it and it takes that all 72 holes um then I’ll say ball striking and and then shot shaping although uh shot shaping DB this week is uh is key and it’s why it plays into sheffer’s hands so well is that you’re like how are you controlling the spin on your irons when they’re coming into these greens because they’re you know saucers upside down and and there’s so much less square square footage to hit into here uh to hold these greens they’re super interesting greens so that’s how I’d rank it this week John so let me let me get some deep cuts from you here is there anybody that outside of you know whether it’s Brooks or sheffler you know Xander schafle has been playing well recently is there anybody outside of that kind of top group that you’re like hey I really like how they’re playing and they’re game whether it’s the mental fortitude whether it’s the ball striking you go I think they might have a shot to maybe not win but give us a a good you know maybe top 10 finish yeah I’ll give you a couple names that are playing well coming into this thing um two different points in their career but guys that I think could make some noise this week um I think Tom Kim uh you know just started to show some real good life here in the last couple weeks he’s playing awesome he had top 10 that last year’s US Open and the British Open uh hasn’t been as good this year in the majors but uh I think this is a golf course where if you don’t hit it as far you can still contend so I like Tom especially with Paul Tor in the bag and then I think um you know this one popped up for my radar from somebody else or I can’t take credit but Billy horel uh you know had a win about a month or two ago uh he’s won a US am before uh has never played awesome in the majors but I know that the guys that maybe don’t have the length uh but have some Savvy and some short game and some guts they they really have this one circled on their calendar especially this year because of the golf course and and the way it it sets up for everyone full disclosure was during the break this morning early and I said is it time to invest in Billy horsa Walker when I was joking with Robbie offir as God is my witness but let me let let me ask you something John when should I reinvest and if if you’re going to talk to me about putting I get it you’re going to kill my thunder it’s fine uh but Daniel Berger benefited benefited from it in 2020 when is it time for me to get back on the Colin marawa train yeah I think now I mean I think uh you know he was off to a good start this morning him and JJ have been grinding all week long in the practice round scouting this out they’re here to win this thing um he’s played well all year long uh he played well at the PGA he played well at the Masters like he’s done everything this year but win uh he won at the end of last year like I think if you’re not backed on now you know you’re going to be late to the party so I think like today as I see it like he’s gonna lurk and grind and maybe he’ll shoot even one under one over but I think he will be on that first page of the leaderboard on Sunday afternoon um I think he’s got you know more wins coming his way this year we’re talking with John wrath house former PGA caddy and the host of the quiet please podcast um talk to me about Rory mroy a little bit here this is a guy that’s been finishing in the top 10 I believe five straight us opens 12 to one odds and nobody’s talking about him at all yeah the headline the grab for Roy this week is that he’s not getting divorced anymore back on they reconciled baby always happy for you yeah and I’m happy for him and I mean it’s just I don’t know who who needed talk to about Rory right now maybe his therapist you know it’s just it’s the go professional golf world’s a tough place and you’re on the road a lot and stuff so I mean you know the fact that those are the headlines for him right now I don’t know if it’s a good thing or a bad thing he can catch you know fire at any point um you know I I do like these kind of firmer lynish golf courses uh for a guy like Rory that that grew up in Europe but um yeah it’s so hard to make predictions on him like we want to win another one but you just don’t know if it’s going to be this week or not hey safe to say uh he kind of gets he’s the closest to getting the Tiger Woods treatment right like not even Dustin Johnson gets the benefit of the doubt in every major like Rory does without having won a major for so long right I I get it DJ’s more recent but Rory always gets kind of the benefit of the doubt because we always say go he’s capable well yeah I mean you at 2014 was a long time ago it was a long time ago look at what he’s done in the meantime like his game like statistically is better he’s winning at a higher clip he’s finishing in the top five almost every week so like it’s not like he’s like fited into Oblivion so he just hasn’t want M he hasn’t want a major yeah he just hasn’t w a major and and that’s the The Benchmark you know now that in the tiger era or just the post tiger era it’s like what have you done for me in the majors and I don’t really care about anything else you realized he was number one for 122 weeks morawa just curled one in there for you I see it listen nice catch by the hole huh hey get in here get in the hole I like how he looks at it too like I knew that was going in look at that little Sly look back good catch good catch all right John real quick before we let you go here uh if you had to give a pick for who you think ends up taking this thing who you got well let’s just have some fun and say uh our boy Oar gets it done this week uh first major win and his second major championship heed up in uh his caddy Joe SC was on the bag for Ricky Fowler winning uh finishing second here sorry in 2014 so there’s some additional experience on that one so uh we we’ll make that the pick but you know last time we did this you had me on at the same time we had Xander up on the board early and we talked about Xander and we said that we could get it done and Xander went out and got it done so I like this you guys bring me on with the board kind of already going a little bit so let’s go with Oar this week that’s John wrathow former PJ caddy host the quiet please podcast make sure you go subscribe to that John we appreciate it as always I’m sure we’ll catch up again soon always great man appreciate you yeah enjoy make sure you get out to Husker Fant travel.com for the Nebraska alumni association’s USC game travel package you’ve got a host of different options to choose from including getting your tickets directly through uh their service there that’s Husker Fant travel.com through the Nebraska Alumni Association make sure you go check it out that’s DB I’m Ravi Lula this has been her out sports radio we’ll be back tomorrow here on am590 ESPN ESPN Tri Cities caar and Lincoln [Music] get it up get it up [Music]
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