On First Take, Evan Cohen, David Dennis Jr., Mike Tannenbaum and Dan Graziano discuss Ben Roethlisberger’s recent comments comparing Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes. Then the crew reacts react to the breaking news of cornerback Jalen Ramsey being traded from the Miami Dolphins to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
0:00 Big Ben’s comments
1:00 Reaction to Big Ben’s comments on Rodgers-Mahomes
8:21 Jalen Ramsey traded to Pittsburgh Steelers
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quarterback took his time to officially sign with the Steelers this off seasonason He got another ring this one for marriage we think and now hopes to add another one with the Pittsburgh Steelers before the sun sets on his career Former Steelers quarterback Ben Rothllessberger has high praise for that bad man Well I would take Aaron in his prime over over Patrick now I think I think yeah I think Aaron Rogers in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it
and so is Patrick Mahomes at his prime Patrick Mahomes is just just like entering out of his prime I think I mean Aaron Ro Yes I think Patrick Mahomes is a phenomenal He’s going to go down as a as a
you know another arguable goat you know I mean there’s only like one goat We’ve got Dan Graciano Mike Tanavan joining us for this one Mike T do you agree with the Big Ben assessments was the Prime Rogers better than the Prime Mahomes
i would probably take the Prime Mahomes it’s close And I think sometimes we don’t give Aaron Rogers’s due just given all the noise of the last couple years When you look at Aaron Rogers’s career and you look at it in its totality 548 touchdowns 262 starts four MVPs and you go back to that 2011 season where he had 45 touchdowns and only six interceptions I think we forget because last couple years have been weird disjointed whatever you want to describe it but at one point he was an all-time great The thing about Patrick Mahomes that gives me if we’re in the prime a little bit of a balance is the athleticism the arm strength but we’re talking about two of the all-time best The winning Patrick Mahomes won has won 17 playoff games in eight years in the league Aaron Rogers in his first eight years as a starter won eight and has won 11 total So Aaron Rogers one of the best throwers of the football of all time Maybe the best pure thrower of football that we’ve ever seen But when you talk about quarterbacks you talk about elevating teammates you talk about leadership you talk about making you know going from good to great when you’re at that level Rogers in spite of multiple opportunities was only able to win the Super Bowl once did not do what Mahomes has done Mahomes had nothing last year won 15 games Where’s that Aaron Rogers season all right let’s it’s it’s an argument we can make Let’s talk Aaron Rogers prime and and Mahomes right mahomes has more completions better completion percentage more yards more touchdowns better first and third down percentage more Pro Bowls three times as many Super Bowls as Aaron Rogers did during that prime uh during you know last few years of Mahomes Other than that you have a good argument right like I I just don’t I just don’t see how this is anywhere close Then you add in the team success and we’re not even I’m not even sure is is Mahomes in his prime yet Like we’re not even sure right he’s 29 We’re not even sure he’s there yet And we’re already talking about somebody whose y whose uh stats are better than Aaron Rogers prime years Like this is not even close to me
The the source of the argument makes no sense to me
Ben Roth Ben Rothosberger’s career was all about winning He won 15 games his first season in the career His career he as a start he was not very good in that season Why would Ben Rothllessberger focus on the non-winning part of quarterbacking it doesn’t make any sense If I don’t mean to be disrespectful if Dan Marino did that
and Dan Marino is like I think Aaron Rogers in his prime better than Patrick Mahomes the source of the argument makes a lot of sense because Marino is an uni unbelievable individual player that did not win a Super Bowl Ben won two That’s what you should be judging guys on if you’re Ben Rothosberger
Yeah And here’s the other side of the Rogers discussion guys If we put Aaron Rogers into this Kansas City Chief offense with Andy Reid what would that have looked like we’ll never know But that to me if you if you want to say that could Aaron Rogers’s prime be better than Patrick Mahomes that’s a great incomplete And the inverse is what would Patrick Mahomes been like with some of those Green Bay teams we’ll never know that
Yeah I I just look at this and and think also like what you just said we’re playing out hypotheticals Obviously that that never could happen Why would we assume Aaron Rogers in his prime would sign up to be coached that way by Andy Reid where is the example of that
yeah Well I don’t I mean like was Andy on that Niners coaching staff when they passed on Rogers in the first round but no that was he was gone by then right but but yeah he could have been he could have been there He could have been in other situations All we can judge is what happened right and Aaron Rogers career has happened and it’s great It’s Hall of Fame first ballot slam dunk one of the best I’ve ever seen Every time I got to watch this guy play in person I considered myself fortunate to to to have been there But you know he didn’t do ever what Mahomes has already done and Mahomes is what halfway through
well I mean not
Rothlessberger to answer your original question there is a a kinship between Rotherberger and Aaron Rogers The fact that towards the end of their career they’re much maligned by a lot of people for stuff that not necessarily have to do with their on onfield stuff So these guys ended their careers with a lot of people you know not really liking them And I think he probably feels that he want to stick up somebody who’s been in a similar position for he is for kind of different reasons
So I want to go one one step further on this So when we look at Aaron Rogers and we think about his career while he was playing at the same time as Tom Brady we would look at him and say “Well he’s the most talented thrower of the football which is just an excuse for he hasn’t won enough right?” And so the problem for Rogers I think Mahomes is the worst thing to happen to his career because he would always lose the debate to Brady and Manning based on the winning but he would win the debate based on the talent And then when a guy comes in who has more talent and is one more what’s the top line of the resume it’s the four MVPs Pton Manning did the same thing
And I think one of the other things the other top line is his durability He’s did it for a long time And be it athletically be it the way he kept himself in shape protected himself That is a key component to me when we’re assessing quarterbacks like we just talked about Dak Prescott who the two of the last three years didn’t finish the season that’s going to hurt where now look he’s not even in that conversation but the point is I think if you want to add durability that’s another massive point in Aaron Rogers’s corner
I think you look at talk about Brady right like he had the great early success he had the great late success he went to a different team and had success like that’s that’s consistency throughout Rogers goes to a Super Bowl in his second season as a starter and then he never sees it again we could we’ve heard all the talk about how that’s not all his fault and fair enough right it’s a team sport I get But at some point you have to do what Mahomes did this past year which is lug a substandard roster into the Super Bowl even though it’s not helping you out And we never saw Aaron Rogers do that
Yeah And I I know that Mahomes won a Super Bowl with they were leading the league in drop passes They guys could not catch a pass and he won a Super Bowl that way The question just comes down to this We could do numbers all day We could do it you know we talk about James Harden and all his numbers in the NBA side of it NFL is the same way We can talk numbers all day I’m picking a player in their prime to win me a game in the playoffs win me a Super Bowl I’m picking Mahomes before Aaron Rogers And it’s not I think it’s probably going to be a unanimous choice You would
no I think Aaron Rogers’s wife would
Ben Rothosberger
Ben Rothosberger You’re right about that Okay so we’re up to two I would also add on this part with Rogers that what you just said about winning that big game Patrick Mahomes has gotten past in my opinion the idea of caring about numbers in the regular season or caring about any game that’s not played in February And Aaron Rogers has never been past that Is there a game that that I mean it’s he has one game to win every year Patrick Wilms it’s the Super Bowl
Grozno Well look I mean if you look at their regular season last year there were I mean how many you know one-score game I mean ridiculous games they could have lost games they should have lost He finds a way and so he respects that part of the season too and the need of being the one seed right getting getting the home field advantage in the playoffs getting the by-week So he definitely weighs those games uh significantly But yeah I mean I I think the point you’re you’re getting at is like he’s success for Mahomes is on a different level because of what he achieved so early in his career And I think Rogers just desperately trying 15 years later to get back to a second Super Bowl versus a guy that is furious because he finally lost one after winning two straight I I think there’s a big difference
Testament to Mahome’s greatness When did you when did you believe the Chiefs were going to lose that Super Bowl uh this last Super Bowl Like at what point did you say I’m going to I’m don’t believe that Mahomes is going to make this comeback
way later than I probably should Uh Aaron Rogers may get some help though guys cuz there is some breaking news Adam Sher has just reported
that the Dolphins have agreed to trade threetime AllPro cornerback Jaylen Ramsay to the Pittsburgh Steelers As part of this trade Ramsay will get a $1.5 million raise this season bringing his 2025 compensation to 26.6 million Steelers get their man and Ramsay gets another raise Mike Tanam you were the former general manager of the Miami Dolphins Your reaction to this trade
uh not surprised that he got traded That was well reported A lot of us thought he was going to go with the Rams at some point They were looking for a corner He had been there You heard Shawn McVey said that was certainly a possibility This is another sort of like interesting move by Pittsburgh You know they obviously acquired DK Mechaf gave up second round pick $30 million 41y old quarterback This is an all
Darius Slay opposite Jaylen Ramsey Yeah Yeah So this is an all-in move Very atypical of Pittsburgh Very intriguing Look Aaron Rogers to me is still the third best current quarterback in the AFC North behind Joe Burrow Lamar Jackson Very interesting move by the Steelers Maybe they could get a good year or two out of Jaylen Ramsey helped to defend those great offenses
Graz does this move Jaylen Ramsay to the Steelers change your viewpoint of where they finish in the AFC North
no I don’t I don’t think so I mean look Jaylen Ramsey obviously great player but it does My concern about the Steelers offense is the age on it right and I don’t I don’t see how this this helps that concern because they’re not you know but I look it’s an area of need an area of concern where where they get stronger and maybe it’s a hedge you know because Darius Slay older player as well Uh so I mean good move for the Steelers but no I don’t see it as something that takes them past the Cincinnati or Baltimore
Yeah same I don’t think they’re better than the third in that division Uh this is still going to be a miracle coaching job by Mike Thomas We had another one where he pulls a rabbit out of his head to get them in contention TJ Watt’s gonna get paid as well because you’re not doing all these moves out to make sure he’s happy
Well and it looks like an all-in year whether they whether it pays off or not And Mike Tomlin who knows about his future his first ballot hall of famer I take him to coach any team any sport He’s that good But they’re giving him a lot here that he’s asked for And I love Tomlin but now it’s going to be really backing it up which we’ve never said about Mike Tomlin really before [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]
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favre is the goat
3:06 because he knows that winning is a team achievment because while the QB can be the biggest factor it takes more than having the best QB to win it all
Even in prime I don’t think he’ll beat Patrick be real
Wait how many Super Bowl does Aaron have 1 that say it all topic done
Haha enough said Big Ben 2 Patrick how many Just saying
Listen if ur judging players by winning instead of actual stats then bill Russel is the greatest nba player and yogi Berra the greatest mlb player of all time
I am so sick of this "Aaron Rodgers is still the 3rd best QB in the AFC North.." There are about 27 or so other QB's that would be the 3rd best QB in the AFC North. It just so happens that 2 of the top 5 QB's in the league are in the AFC North. I'm not arguing for Rodgers either way, but that argument is just so DUMB. Try and use a little critical thinking when you are trying to make a point🤦♂️
its a teamsport accomplishment to win Rings…would Brady and Jordan be the Goat with only 1 ring? prime Rodgers vs any multi SB winning QB, Rodgers was the best QB…multi generation talent we will never see for awhile
Systems and Coaching matters.. Mahomes has easily been in a better situation. Imagine Prime Rogers w/ Andy Reid running the show… Sheesh!!! Its literally a toss up in my opinion but I'll give the edge to Rodgers..
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QB IQ….that’s all that’s needed. Outside of team success what has Mahomes done that Rodgers can’t or hasn’t already done? Mahomes has been getting exposed as of late and what about games refs have bailed them out on. He’s not all that good of a pocket passer. His damage comes from running around extending plays. The same backlash Lamar Jackson gets somehow excluding playoff time. Look at the Eagles Super Bowl & Bucs Super Bowl. Look at when they played the Jets defense like two years ago I believe the season Rodgers went down. You hardly have to blitz with Mahomes. Mahomes is great but in my opinion reached his peak. Look at his last two years. Believe it or not you can can give Andy Reid all the credit in the world but Mahomes hasn’t looked the same since Eric Bieniemy left
So let me get this straight — Big Ben says PRIME Rodgers > Mahomes, while the Steelers build a Super Bowl team around a 40-year-old QB?!
This feels less like a game plan and more like a midlife crisis in cleats. How long till the whole thing blows up?
Rodgers benefited from a weak NFC north division for most of his career, same as Pat with a weak AFC West division but Rodgers barely got it done in the playoffs.
Why is this even a conversation. Prime Aaron Rodgers was one of, if not, the best QBs ever depending on where you draw the lines. But you can argue that Mahomes is having the career Rodgers should've had
Ben lost to Rodgers. That is the reason.Ben thinks if he says that losing to Rodgers would sound better for him.facts😊
I like this panel way more than the other stuff lol, no bs just straight ball
These muffin tops forget it’s a team game too, a prime rogers on the current cheifs team would win more titles
Can’t take these guys serious, soon as they went into wins the point was lost…you can’t compare the two because it’s a team sport..so the argument is dead, arm talent and team talent are 2 different things
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Dan Marino was a Leadfoot Whose Line could hold every game.
I just laugh when I hear them talking about how Metcalf being the the big number 1 wr, he's never been that. Lol
Metcalf is a downgrade from Pickens and that's saying alot because Pickens wasn't great
the aaron rodgers hate is crazy work
Mahomes the goat f outta here 😂😂😂
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“Why would Aaron sign up to be coached by Andy Reid”…. That guy is clearly a hater on Rodgers. Worst take of the entire clip. This guy ruined this debate
It’s his opinion. You can like who you like
Bengals finished 3rd unless they can score 50 a game
Rodgers also sat behind Favre for like 4 years and didn't have Andy Reid as his coach. And what happened to "the defense is what's carrying the Chiefs" talk the last 2-3 years?
I would take prime Mahomes if he’s playing in the right system. If we’re just throwing a qb on any team, then Rodgers is the safe pick over anyone else. Including Peyton, Brady, Elway, etc
Aaron Rodgers isn’t in the same conversation as Mahomes. And neither is Big Ben
Of course we have one guy grading QBs on wins and loses, as if it were singles tennis. No, Rodgers is a much better QB than Mahomes.
oh more idiots grading QBs on wins and loses. So sad we have this to listen to–guys who CANNOT think to save their life.
These guys suck Lmaoo
the statement of Big Ben seems logical because he knows better Aaron Rodgers as a footballer and as person than Mahomes. They draft in the same time, live and battle all thoses years.
Bro Patrick Mahomes won a Super Bowl with his WRs leading the league in drops
You can't tell Big Ben what his opinion should be, the dude is in the Hall of Fame, his opinion matters , and he knows what he's talking about …
I'm not a mahomes fan like that but I'm def taking mahomes over Rodgers if they both was in they prime