Catch today’s edition of The Ariel Helwani Show as Ariel and the Boys in the Back set the table for the combat sports weekend with another eclectic lineup of guests. Wednesday’s rundown can be seen below:
0:00 – INTRO
9:45 – Ariel kicks off the show by answering all your questions on the latest edition of On The Nose.
1:04:35 – Cory Sandhagen previews his potential UFC title fight against Merab Dvalishvili.
1:35:25 – Old friend Marc Raimondi joins us in-studio to discuss his upcoming book, “Say Hello to the Bad Guys: How Professional Wrestling’s New World Order Changed America.”
2:41:45 – Paul Walter Hauser — Golden Globe Award winner, Primetime Emmy Award winner, and up-and-coming professional wrestler — join us in-studio.
3:41:00 – Julio César Chávez Jr. joins to preview his upcoming fight against Jake Paul.
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>> LEAL AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE. SHOW. >> BEGGING YOUR LIFE ON THIS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 18, 2025. HELLO AGAIN EVERYONE. I SURE HOPE YOU’RE DOING WELL. I AM DOING GREAT. IT’S GREAT TO BE HERE ON A WEDNESDAY. WE LOVE TO SHOOT ON WEDNESDAYS. WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO GET TO. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEWS TO GET TO. WE’VE GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD AND TOPICS TO DISCUSS. THERE’S A LOT GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF COMBAT SPORTS. AS ALWAYS, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL 10,000 OR SO DIEHARD FLORIDA PANTHERS FANS. THEY WIN AGAIN. THEY WIN THE STANLEY CUP, STANLEY CUP YET AGAIN, I FEEL BAD I COULDN’T WATCH. I LOVE TO WATCH A CELEBRATION. I LOVE TO WATCH THE CUP CELEBRATION IN PARTICULAR, BUT I COULDN’T TURN IT ON. YOU HAVE A WHOLE COUNTRY WHO IS JUST DYING FOR A STANLEY CUP WINNER TO COME BACK HOME. IT’S BEEN 32 YEARS, 32 LONG YEARS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS TINY LITTLE SUBURB OF FORT LAUDERDALE THAT IS JUST SAYING, LIKE, OH, GREAT, WE WON AGAIN. YAHOO! WHAT , WHAT? SUNRISE, FLORIDA. >> TINY LITTLE SUBURB. >> SUNRISE, FLORIDA. ARE YOU FROM? SUNRISE, FLORIDA? >> I MEAN, I LIVED THERE FOR A FEW YEARS. YEAH. >> SPECIFICALLY SUNRISE. >> WELL, CLOSE ENOUGH. >> WHAT? SUNRISE FLORIDA IS LIKE A IT’S A STRIP MALL. NO. >> IT’S NOT OKAY. WAIT. SAWGRASS MILLS IS A MALL. >> THAT IS JUST WHERE THE STADIUM IS. >> SUNRISE. >> IT’S LIKE IT WOULD BE LIKE REFERRING TO THE GIANTS OR THE JETS IS LIKE MEADOWLANDS. >> BRO. BRO, BRO, DID YOU SEE THEIR. DID YOU SEE THEIR PARADE LAST YEAR? IT WAS IN A PARKING LOT. THE PARADE WAS IN A PARKING LOT. LIKE THEY HAD NOWHERE TO GO. THERE WAS LITERALLY NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. AND NOT ONLY. >> THAT, THE EVERGLADES. >> NO ONE WANTED THEM TO GO ANYWHERE. BY THE WAY, THAT WOULD BE COOL. IMAGINE THEY WENT ON THOSE BOATS. >> OH YEAH, LIKE THE FAN BOATS, THE EVERGLADES. THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SICK. >> THEN I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT. I’M NOT TRYING TO HATE ON THE ORGANIZATION OR THE THE, THE 10,000 OR SO DIEHARD FANS OR EVEN THE PLAYERS FOR ACHIEVING THIS INCREDIBLE FEAT. BUT NO ONE COULD DENY THAT IT WOULD MEAN SO MUCH MORE IF EDMONTON WON. IF A CANADIAN TEAM WON. BUT LUQUE THEM’S THE BREAKS. THEY DIDN’T WIN FAIR AND SQUARE. THEY LOST. SO I’M JUST SALTY. I JUST WANT TO SEE CANADA HAVE A CUP WINNER AGAIN. 1983 WAS THE LAST TIME, BY THE WAY, WHEN THE MONTREAL CANADIENS BEAT THE THE ANYONE ANYONE. I FEEL LIKE JORDAN SHOULD KNOW THIS. WHO, ME KNOW? COME ON. NO ONE L.A. KINGS MCSORLEY. THE STICK CURVED. OUT. BARRY MELROSE COACHING. YEP. SHOUT OUT GREAT SHOW TODAY. A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE GUYS ON TODAY’S PROGRAM. BACK INTO THE SHOW. THE GREAT JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR.. HE’LL BE RETURNING TO ACTION ON 28 JUNE AGAINST ONE JAKE PAUL. IT’S MEXICO VERSUS PUERTO RICO AT THE HONDA CENTER IN ANAHEIM. AND IT’S ON HIS OWN PAY-PER-VIEW. JAKE JR., THE SON OF THE LEGENDARY THE ICONIC JCC SENIOR. THAT’S WHO CESAR CHAVEZ SENIOR. HE’LL JOIN US ON THE SHOW. SO THAT’S FUN. WE’LL TALK TO HIM AT 4:30 AT 330. MY FRIENDS, I’M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. WE HAVE AN UNBELIEVABLE ACTOR JOINING US IN STUDIO. HIS NAME, PAUL WALTER HAUSER. HE HAS STARRED IN THE LIKES OF I, TONYA, THE FILM ON RICHARD JEWELL, THE THE THE 1996 ATLANTA OLYMPICS BOMBER. HE WAS AN INSIDE OUT TWO. HE’S IN THE UPCOMING AVENGERS MOVIE. HE’S IN THE UPCOMING NAKED GUN MOVIE. HE’S IN THE UPCOMING BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN MOVIE. HE’S DOING A FILM ON THE LIFE AND TIMES OF CHRIS FARLEY. HE HAS. I MEAN, HE HAS HE HAS EMMYS. HE HAS GOLDEN GLOBES. THE MAN IS VERY ACCOMPLISHED. NOW, WHY IS HE IN STUDIO? BECAUSE HE’S ALSO THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING. AND IT’S NOT JUST THAT THE MAN ACTUALLY WRESTLES LIKE HE GETS IN THERE. HE ADORES WRESTLING MORE THAN ANYTHING. HE IS A HARDCORE WRESTLING FAN. HE’S APPEARED ON SMACKDOWN, HE’S APPEARED ON AEW. THESE DAYS. A LOT OF MLW. HE’S APPEARED ON PROGRESS, IN FACT, WON A TITLE RECENTLY FOR PROGRESS. CAN WE GIVE THEM A TASTE? A LITTLE TASTE? I CASE YOU’RE UNFAMILIAR WITH POOH-BAH IN THE RING, WHAT HE DOES, THE MAN PUTS HIMSELF OUT THERE. LOOK AT HIM HERE WITH THE ACUNA NAILS HIS HEAD ON THE GROUND. LOOK AT THAT THROUGH THE TABLE. THAT’S A BUMP RIGHT THERE. HE WAS A PART OF THEIR BATTLE RIOT FOR MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING. HERE HE IS COMING OUT, COMING OUT WITH A SHOPPING CART FULL OF GOODIES. GREAT OUTFIT. LOOK AT THIS GUY. HE’S AMAZING. HE’S LIKE THE SECOND COMING OF ANDY KAUFMAN. LOOK AT THAT WITH THE KENDO STICKS. ANYWAY, VERY ACCOMPLISHED ACTOR, AWARD WINNING ACTOR AND IS ALSO IN A NEW FILM WITH THE THE FORMER STAR OF THE TITANIC, SYDNEY SWEENEY, COMING UP CALLED AMERICANA. ALSO HALSEY IN THAT FILM, WHEN A STAR’S FAVORITE. SO ANYWAY, PAUL WALTER HAUSER WILL JOIN US IN STUDIO FOR A WIDE RANGING CHAT ON HIS CAREER, WRESTLING, ACTING, ALL THAT AND MORE. THIS BOOK COMES OUT IN SIX DAYS. IT’S CALLED SAY HELLO TO THE BAD GUYS. IT IS WRITTEN BY ESPN. COM’S OWN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY GOOD FRIEND AND YOURS , MARC RAIMONDI AKA MARANDI IN STUDIO. MARANDI IN STUDIO. AFTER WRITING HIS OWN BOOK. I MEAN, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? IT’S AN UNBELIEVABLE READ. I’M VERY PROUD OF HIM. THE BOOK COMES OUT ON JUNE 24. HE’S GOT A FEW BOOK TOUR STOPS COMING UP, INCLUDING TONIGHT IN NEW YORK CITY. IF YOU’RE AROUND, IT’S ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER, THE NEW NEW, NEW, NEW NEW WORLD ORDER. HOW PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING’S NEW WORLD ORDER CHANGED AMERICA. IT’S A GREAT STORY. IT IS THE DEFINITIVE LOOK AT HOW THE NWO’S THE GREATEST FACTION OF ALL TIME AND ARGUABLY THE GREATEST WRESTLING STORY LINE OF ALL TIME. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE WERE SAYING JOHN CENA TURNING HEEL? YOU REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE SAY JOHN CENA TURNING HEEL WAS AKIN TO HULK HOGAN TURNING HEEL. YOU REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE SAID, LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO. HOW DO THOSE PEOPLE FEEL RIGHT NOW ANYWAY? MARANDI IN STUDIO CORY SANDHAGEN WILL JOIN US BEFORE THAT TO TALK ABOUT HIS UPCOMING TITLE FIGHT AGAINST JUAN MERAB DVALISHVILI. SOME BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING. THE BIG MAN DFW DANA WHITE OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCING THE SLATE FOR UFC ABU DHABI. AND IT’S A GREAT CARD. IN JULY ON ABC. LOOK AT THIS. I MEAN, LOOK AT SOME OF THESE FIGHTS HERE. ROBERT WHITTAKER VERSUS RENE DERIDDER. MR. MOVSAR EVLOEV, WHO REALLY SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THE BELT NEXT AGAINST AARON PICO , DEBUTING AGAINST EVLOEV. PETR YAN AGAINST MARCUS MCGHEE BRYCE MITCHELL HEADS TO THE MIDDLE EAST AGAINST MR. NURMAGOMEDOV AND MAGOMEDOV SHARA BULLET AGAINST MARC-ANDRÉ BARRIAULT. THAT’S A THAT’S A NICE FIVE PACK OF FIGHTS RIGHT THERE. IN ADDITION TO THE OTHERS. SO ABU DHABI ONCE AGAIN GETTING A YOU KNOW, NOTHING OFF THE TWITTERATI MORE THAN WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING’S A LOW KEY BANGER. WE’RE LIKE, NO, NO, NO, IT’S ACTUALLY A HIGH KEY BANGER. AND THEN WE START DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT IT’S A LOW KEY OR A HIGH KEY. JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHENEVER I SAY IT’S LOW KEY, IT’S REALLY HIGH KEY. BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION. ANYWAY, MAYBE A QUESTION OR TWO ON THAT TIME. NOW FOR EVERYONE’S FAVORITE SEGMENT OF THE WEEK. IT IS TIME. >> IT’S TIME FOR ALL. >> YEAH, THERE IT IS. THAT’S A HIGH KEY BANGER RIGHT THERE, IF. >> I DO SAY SO MYSELF. YOUR MOM GOES TO COLLEGE IS UP FIRST. ARIEL, IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH SEAN O’MALLEY, IT FELT LIKE YOU AND SEAN WERE KIND OF HINTING THAT A FIGHT WAS BOOKED OR IN THE WORKS. WHEN A FIGHTER TELLS YOU FIGHT NEWS IN CONFIDENCE, DO YOU FIND IT TRICKY TO WORD YOUR QUESTIONS WITHOUT GIVING ANYTHING AWAY, OR DO YOU ENJOY PLAYING WITH IT A BIT LIKE YOU DID WITH SEAN? DO FIGHTERS EVER GIVE OUT AFTERWARDS, OR DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE HUMOR? FOR THE RECORD, I KNEW NOTHING OF THAT. I DIDN’T TALK TO HIM BEFOREHAND. I WASN’T LIKE PLAYING DUMB. I WAS LEGITIMATELY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO IF SOMEONE TELLS ME SOMETHING IN CONFIDENCE, I’M NOT GOING TO BETRAY THAT AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS, HOPING THAT THEY SLIP. I WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THAT BEFOREHAND. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FIGHT IS. I DON’T EVEN KNOW IF HE HAS A FIGHT. HE COULD HAVE JUST BEEN MESSING WITH US. FOR ALL I. >> KNOW. >> CHOI I DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS GUY’S NAME IS. HELLO, ARIEL. BIG FAN OF YOU AND THE BITB AND I AND I HAVE A FUN, LIGHTHEARTED QUESTION. IF YOU COULD MAKE ANY UFC FIGHTER TURNED HEEL, WHO WOULD IT BE? OH, THIS IS GREAT. MINE WOULD BE ALJO TURNING ON MERAB WHEN MERAB BROUGHT HIM CLOSE AFTER THE WIN. ALL I COULD IMAGINE IS ALJO SUCKER PUNCHING MERAB AND STANDING OVER HIM WHILE HOLDING HIS BELT, OR SEAN AND ALJO TEAMING UP AND JUMPING MERAB. THAT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE SCENARIO. CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS? IMAGINE IF THEY BRING THEM ALL IN THEIR AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ROB’S LIKE, YES, I DID IT, MY BROTHER, I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU. AND THEN ALJO KICKS HIM IN THE BALLS AND THAT SETS UP ALJO VERSUS MERAB. THAT WOULD BE BRILLIANT. I WOULD LOVE THAT. >> THAT’S THAT’S INCREDIBLE BOOKING RIGHT THERE. >> THAT’S AMAZING. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS WERE EVEN HERE. I WAS THINKING. >> I DON’T KNOW IF I COULD EVEN THINK OF ANOTHER ONE OF THAT. >> YEAH. HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? >> WE’RE ACTUALLY JUST HAVING A CELEBRATION. >> WHO THE IS WE? >> YEAH. HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? HOW ABOUT. >> THIS ONE? >> ISLAM WINS THE WELTERWEIGHT TITLE AND KHABIB SAYS YOU STOLE MY SHINE. THIS WAS MY OPPORTUNITY. >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. OR ISLAM JUST HOPS ON THE MIC AND PULLS A MICHAEL CHANDLER. >> HABIB NURMAGOMEDOV. >> I’M TIRED OF BEING IN YOUR SHADOW. >> ARE THERE ANY REALISTIC ONES. >> YOU’VE HELD ME BACK FOR YEARS. >> I THINK NEITHER OF THESE IS HAPPENING. >> THESE ARE LIKE SO GOOD BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. >> THEY’RE SO GOOD BECAUSE. >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR RORY TO TURN ON GSP. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> YOU NEVER QUITE GOT TO THE LEVEL THOUGH, THAT IT THAT IT MATTERED. YOU KNOW, GSP WAS THERE AND AND RORY COULD JUST NEVER CLIMB THAT MOUNTAIN. REALLY. >> OKAY. CAN I GIVE YOU GUYS AN. >> OH MY GOD. >> CAN I GIVE YOU GUYS MAYBE THE GREATEST ONE OF ALL TIME? THIS IS A BY THE WAY, SHOUT OUT TO THIS GUY. >> OKAY, YOU GO AND THEN OKAY, CAN I JUST. >> OKAY OKAY OKAY. >> THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE ONE. NOW WE’RE KIND OF. >> LIKE. >> YOU KNOW, BLENDING THE. >> TWO QUALIFIERS. >> JUST GO. >> PADDY VERSUS ILYA FOR. >> THE BELT. OKAY? >> PADDY IS MOMENTS. >> AWAY, AND. >> HERE COMES. >> MOLLY. >> TURNS ON. PADDY AND SIDES WITH ELLIOTT. >> EVERTON. LIVERPOOL COMES TO A HEAD. MEATBALL. MOLLY. SHE TURNS. >> AND SHE. >> SMASHES. >> PADDY PULLS. >> OUT SANITIZER. >> PULLS OUT THE SPANISH FLAG AND SAYS IT WAS ME ALL ALONG. >> NO HAND. >> SANITIZER. >> YEAH. OH, AND THEN SQUIRTS HAND SANITIZER. >> IN HIS EYE. >> OH MY GOD, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. >> OKAY. >> WHAT WAS YOURS? >> WHAT WAS YOURS? WE SHOULD. I WAS GONNA SAY. WE SHOULD JUST SAY THAT WE’RE GETTING THE THE FRIENDS TEAMMATES TURNED RIVALS WITH KAYLA AND AMANDA. LIKE, THAT’S THAT ONE AT LEAST HAS LIKE, A REAL LIFE BASTING. AND THEY TRULY WERE TEAMMATES AT ONE POINT. >> BUT YEAH. >> TWO, I DON’T THINK THEY WERE EVER AS CLOSE AS ANY OF THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH WOULD MAKE IT. >> CAN I TELL YOU WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST REALISTIC OF THEM ALL? YEAH. LIKE LEGIT. I COULD SEE HAPPENING. BILAL TURNS ON ISLAM. THEY’RE NOT REALLY FRIENDS. >> THAT’S NOT REAL, THOUGH. >> EXACTLY. THAT’S WHY THAT’S WHY IT COULD HAPPEN. HE’S LIKE YOU CELEBRATED IN MY DARKEST HOUR. YOU WERE NEVER MY FRIEND. YOU NEVER WANTED WHAT’S BEST FOR ME. YOU WANTED ME TO LOSE SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE MY BELT. WELL, HERE I AM. >> DO WE THINK IF ISLAM BECOMES CHAMPION, THAT BILAL WOULD BE LIKE. WELL, I’M DONE WITH THIS DIVISION. >> TO 185. >> I’M GOING UP TO 85. NO CHANCE. >> WHAT IS ISLAM SAY ON TWITTER AFTERWARD? HE HE HE FIRST WAS JUST LIKE DOUBLE CHAMP. STATUS TIME. LET’S GO. AND THEN HE WAS LIKE. >> YEAH. >> OH YEAH. BY THE WAY. YEAH. COMMISERATIONS. OH I HAVE AN INCREDIBLE ONE FOR YOU. >> I LOVE HOW PIZZA’S JUST SITTING HERE SAYING NOTHING, JUST SOAKING IT ALL IN. >> I’VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. OKAY, CHECK THIS OUT. CHECK THIS OUT. OKAY. IT’S IT’S IT’S NEW YORK. IT’S MADISON SQUARE GARDEN. IT’S A VACANT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT. TOMMY IS LITERALLY SECONDS AWAY FROM BEATING CIRYL GANE. BUT HERE COMES PHIL DEFREESE, WHO NEVER GOT THE ATTENTION AND LOVE THAT HE DESERVED. AND HE GOES. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY TOMMY’S DAD OR SOMETHING. >> NO, NO, NO, PHIL DEFREITAS TURNS ON TOM ASPINALL AND SIDES WITH THE FRENCHMAN. THE TRUE BENEDICT ARNOLD, BECAUSE HE SAYS, YOU STOLE ALL MY SHINE. OH, MY GOD, THIS IS SUCH A FUN TOPIC. >> I’M THE BEST BRITISH HEAVYWEIGHT EVER. YES. YOU KNOW, NO ONE TALKS ABOUT ME. WHAT ABOUT COLBY? LIKE BECOMING A BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL AND SAYING, LIKE DONALD TRUMP. I’VE HAD ENOUGH. >> BUT WHO’S HE TURNING ON? >> COLBY’S IN THE CORNER FOR? >> HE TURNED ON. >> HIS. >> 45 47 COLBY. WAIT. SO SO SO. COLBY TURNING ON USMAN HAS TO BE FIGHTING SOMEONE. AND THEN COLBY SIDES WITH USMAN AGAINST HIM BECAUSE HE HATES HIM SO MUCH. MAYBE IAN, GARY. IAN, GARY VERSUS USMAN. >> OH, UNBELIEVABLE. I’M SORRY. GARY. JESUS CHRIST. WHAT A FUN TOPIC. >> GOSH, THIS IS AN AMAZING TOPIC. THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS WE’VE HAD IN A LONG TIME. WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? IS THERE ANOTHER ONE? IS THERE ANOTHER ONE? >> WONDERBOY. JUST CUT. JUST BECOMING A BAD, BAD FOUL MOUTH WITH A BLACK BEARD. YOURSELVES A EVERYBODY. I JUST DON’T KNOW. >> I JUST DON’T KNOW WHO HE IS. ANOTHER ONE. IAQUINTA TURNING ON MORALES WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD CUT DEEP LIKE YOU NEED. ONE THAT WOULD REALLY HAVE TO CUT DEEP. >> BY THE WAY, JUST ON HEEL TURNS. YEAH, WE, ME AND CONNOR HAD BEEN PUSHING FOR THE MARIO BAUTISTA HEEL TURN, BUT HE JUST NEVER REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF. >> IT’S THERE. NO, THE YEAH. >> THEY’D GIVEN HIM THE MIC AFTERWARD AT AT 3:16. THAT WAS HIS OPPORTUNITY. >> JUST BE LIKE I TOOK OUT JOSE ALDO. >> DJ COMES. >> IN NEW JERSEY. NEW JERSEY. YEAH, A. >> DJ COMES IN AND COSTS PANTOJA THE TITLE. YOU YOU HAD THE AUDACITY TO SAY MY NAME, KEEP MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. I’M THE GREATEST. >> OF ALL. IS THAT OKAY? SO IS IT. IS IT PANTOJA? AND OH, MY GOD, NO, NO. OH MY GOD. HORIGUCHI. YEAH. IS THAT THE ONE? BUT THEY THEY FEEL I FEEL LIKE THEY’VE SAID THEY WOULD FIGHT EACH OTHER, SO IT DOESN’T REALLY HAVE THIS. IT DOESN’T HIT THE SAME. >> WE NEED THE ONES WHERE IT’S LIKE THE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, THEY’RE ALL IN OUR FACE ABOUT BEING BEST FRIENDS. YOU KNOW? >> YEAH. >> ANYWAY, HERE’S JUAN SANCHEZ. GREAT QUESTION. HELLO, ARIEL AND CREW. MY QUESTION COULD BE MORE SO FOR PETE OR FOR ANY UK MMA FANS WHO WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN. I RESIDE IN CHICAGO AND I’M GOING TO BE IN LONDON FOR THE. IFBB CARD. AS AN AMERICAN RESIDENT, HOW CAN I BEST GO ABOUT WATCHING THESE FIGHTS? WHAT ARE SOME TIPS THAT CAN HELP AN AMERICAN WATCHING SLASH STREAMING FIGHTS IN THE UK? I’M EXCITED TO BE IN SOLIDARITY WITH UK UFC FANS STAYING UP AT UNGODLY HOURS TO WATCH FIGHTS. THANK YOU FOR ANY INPUT IN ADVANCE. I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE WHAT HE’S WONDERING IS LIKE, COULD HE GO TO A BAR? PROBABLY NOT. RIGHT? >> THEY CLOSE REALLY EARLY IN LONDON. IT’S CRAZY. LIKE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO PLACES IN DUBLIN NOW BECAUSE THE LATE LICENSES YOU MIGHT YOU PROBABLY GET YOU PROBABLY GET THROWN OUT JUST BEFORE THE MAIN EVENT THOUGH. I THINK IT’S LIKE FIVE HERE NOW. BUT LONDON IS NOTORIOUSLY EARLY CLOSE. SO I DON’T KNOW, MAYBE SOMEONE COULD GET ON TO ME. I KNOW SOME OF THE LADS IN LONDON LISTEN TO THE SHOW, SO MAYBE THEY COULD TEXT ME IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND I CAN GET THEM OVER TO THIS GUY. BUT EVERY TIME I’VE BEEN THERE AFTER, LIKE IF YOU’RE TRYING TO STAY UP FOR A UFC PAY-PER-VIEW, YOU’VE GOT TO BE IN A HOTEL BASICALLY, AND GET THEM TO TURN ON THE BAR. AND ONCE YOU’RE IN THE BAR, THEY CAN KEEP SERVING YOU. SO YOU’RE GOING TO BE ON TOUR. YOU’LL PROBABLY BE IN A HOTEL, YOU’LL BE SORTED, BUT I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’LL GET THAT COLLECTIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE EVERYBODY’S WATCHING IT. >> YEAH. ALSO, IT’S NOT A PAY-PER-VIEW, RIGHT? THE TNT OH IS ILYA PAY-PER-VIEW BECAUSE I KNOW THEY LIKE TO DO TWO PAY PER VIEWS OR SO A YEAR, BUT. >> THEY’RE USUALLY CONOR. FIGHTS ARE FIGHTS. THAT’S THE ONLY THING THEY’VE DONE PAY-PER-VIEW SO FAR. I HAVEN’T SEEN IT BEING ADVERTISED, BUT THEY USUALLY HIT US WITH IT ON FIGHT WEEK. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT’S 20 QUID. IT’S I THINK IT’S 20 OR 30 QUID. AND TO GET TO GET THEM AT I KNOW WE DO PAY A SUBSCRIPTION FEE FOR THIS STUFF OVER HERE, BUT EVERY TIME I TALK TO MY AMERICAN FRIENDS ABOUT WHAT THEY’RE PAYING EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH FOR A PAY-PER-VIEW, IT’S GOING TO LIKE MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER. YOU KNOW? >> HI, CREW. TANK DAVIS IS OBVIOUSLY A GREAT FIGHTER, BUT WHAT FIGHTS DO YOU THINK HE NEEDS AFTER ROACH TO CEMENT HIMSELF AS ONE OF THE GREATS WHO FOUGHT THE BEST OF HIS GENERATION? FIRST OF ALL, I THINK HE NEEDS TO STOP ROACH TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED. LIKE THAT WILL ALWAYS BE A WEIRD THING. A WEIRD LITTLE ASTERISK ON HIS CAREER, BECAUSE. >> YOU THINK HE LOST, DID YOU? >> WELL, I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DQ’D, HONESTLY. >> OH, YEAH, SIR. >> LIKE LIKE THE KNOCKDOWN SHOULD HAVE COUNTED. AND THEN HE WENT TO THE CORNER AND GOT WIPED OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUND LIKE THAT. THAT’S JUST NOT ALLOWED. SO AT THE VERY, AT THE VERY, VERY LEAST, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DRAW. AND THEN IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN CRAZY FOR HIM TO BE DQ’D. SO HE HAS TO GO IN THERE AND DO HIS THING. THERE ARE A TON OF FIGHTS FOR HIM AT 1:35, AT 1:40. OBVIOUSLY HIM AND SHAKUR HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH. I’VE REALLY WANTED TO SEE KEYSHAWN VERSUS HIM, BUT NOW KEYSHAWN STOCK HAS REALLY TAKEN A BIG HIT, SO I MEAN, LOOK, HE’S FINE. >> WAY TOO SMALL. >> IS WHAT. >> HE’S TOO SMALL FOR ANYWAY. AND WAY TOO SMALL. >> OH YEAH. YEAH. >> INOUE IS WAY TOO SMALL. YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT. AND I MENTIONED IT AS LIKE A SORT OF CATCH. >> YOU MADE. YOU GOT, YOU GOT. >> I GOT. ROASTED FOR IT. YEAH, BUT I ONLY, I ONLY MENTIONED IT BECAUSE BOB ARUM MENTIONED IT FIRST. BOB ARUM SAID, LET’S DO IT IN DODGER STADIUM. AND I WAS LIKE, HOLY, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE IDEA. INOUE FIGHTING IN DODGER STADIUM. TANK DAVIS, YOU KNOW, VERY POPULAR IN AMERICA. AND THEN EVERYONE KILLED ME FOR IT. BUT IF THEY CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE, I JUST DON’T THINK THAT HE WANTS TO CUT THAT KIND OF WEIGHT TO GET DOWN THERE. EVEN IF IT’S AT LIKE 125 OR 130. HE ALSO SAYS. SIDE NOTE WILL WE GET AN AERIAL AND ADD A ON THE NOSE? I LOVE THAT SHOW AND DIDN’T KNOW YOU KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT BOXING. CARL FROCH NEEDS TO STOP BEING A . THANKS FOR THE CONTENT. WOW THANKS LEWIS. >> HEY CARL, GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> LOVE IT! IT’S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HEARD THAT ONE. BIG GUY BISHOP. HELLO AERIAL AND FRIENDS. EXCUSE ME IF YOU HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS, BUT IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THE RUMORS ABOUT YURI BEING THE NEXT FIGHT FOR BYGONES? IF THESE ARE TRUE, DOES THIS MEAN WE ARE GETTING PEREIRA VERSUS TOM? ALSO, COULD YOU PLEASE ASK FRANK TO ADD ME ON NINTENDO SWITCH? DONN DAVIS AND I WOULD LIKE A THIRD FOR MARIO PARTY. DID WE TALK ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK? >> IT’S A REOCCURRING THING. >> OH NO. BUT LIKE, DID I ANSWER THAT FIRST PART? NO, YURI IS NOT GOING TO. THE PLAN IS STILL PEREIRA VERSUS BIGGUN. THAT’S THE PLAN. AND I WOULD SAY THE PLAN IF THE JONES THING DOESN’T COME TO FRUITION WOULD BE TOM VERSUS REAL. YESTERDAY DANA WHITE WAS ON THE JIM ROME SHOW, STILL BANGING THE DRUM ABOUT THIS. A COUPLE OF NUGGETS THERE YESTERDAY FROM DANA WHITE. HE WAS DOING SOME MEDIA, STILL BANGING THE DRUM ABOUT TOM VERSUS JOHN, STILL HOLDING OUT HOPE. I ACTUALLY KIND OF BELIEVE THAT HE KNOWS I’M VERY. HERE’S WHAT I’M MOST CURIOUS ABOUT. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN SALVAGE THIS FIGHT. I’M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW HE’S GOING TO SPIN IT, IF HE’S EVEN GOING TO TRY TO SPIN IT AT ALL, IS HE GOING TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, HE’S BANGED UP OR OH, HE’S UNAVAILABLE OR OH, WE TRIED AND HE DIDN’T WANT TO FIGHT. LIKE, HOW IS HE GOING TO SPIN THIS? THAT’S WHAT I’M CURIOUS ABOUT. BUT AS OF YESTERDAY, HE’S STILL BANGING THE DRUM THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE AT THIS POINT. NUMBER 1. NUMBER 2, HE ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THE CANELO VERSUS CRAWFORD FIGHT IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE ON SEPTEMBER 13 IN LAS VEGAS AT ALLEGIANT STADIUM. SO THEY DID, IN. FACT, MOVE THAT UNLV FOOTBALL GAME. SO THAT IS NOTABLE. AND HE TOLD SPORTS BUSINESS JOURNAL THAT THE NAME OF THE PROMOTION IS IN FACT GOING TO BE ZUFFA BOXING, WHICH I KIND OF DIG. I LIKE ZUFFA BOXING BETTER THAN TKO BOXING. I LIKE IT A LOT. I WOULDN’T I WOULDN’T HATE IT IF IT WAS JUST CALLED ZUFFA, TO BE HONEST. BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A CALLBACK. THEY’VE GOT THE MERCH, THEY’VE GOT THE LOGO, AND IF YOU’RE A LONGTIME FAN, YOU KNOW WHAT ZUFFA MEANS AND REPRESENTS. IT’S THE ITALIAN WORD FOR FIGHT. THAT’S WHAT THEY USED TO TELL US. LET ME SEE. LET ME SEE IF I IF I TYPE IN FIGHT IN ITALIAN. I NEVER ACTUALLY LOOKED THIS UP. TRANSLATION. IT SAYS COMBATTIMENTO. >> OH NO. >> LISTEN, LORENZO TOLD ME IT MEANT FIGHT. LET ME SEE IF I TYPE IN ZUFFA ZUFFA SCUFFLE OKAY, ALL RIGHT, CLOSE ENOUGH. >> TO TRANSLATE AS. >> WELL. SCUFFLE. >> YEAH. >> NOT QUITE AS INTENSE. >> BUT SCUFFLE. >> BOXING SCUFFLE BOXING. THERE IT IS ANYWAY. SO IN CASE YOU’RE WONDERING WHAT THE NAME OF THE PROMOTION IS, IT IS IN FACT, ZUFFA ZUFFA BOXING, TO BE EXACT. MUTEX FUMBLE. HELLO ARIEL. AND ESPECIALLY JORDAN AS THIS QUESTION RELATES TO HIM SPECIFICALLY, WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO BECOME A FOREST FAN AND NOT A SPURS FAN? I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WITH YOUR STRONG OVERT TIES TO YOUR HERITAGE, YOU WOULD HAVE PICKED THE YID ARMY OVER ANY OF THE OTHER TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE. IT’S ALSO THE TEAM OF BILL SIMMONS, WHO I UNDERSTAND IS SOMEWHAT OF A HERO FOR YOU. CHEERS AND COME ON YOU SPURS. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON’T LIKE TO ROOT FOR LOSERS. NO I’M JUST KIDDING. >> I MEAN THE BILLS ARE. >> YEAH. WELL YOU KNOW THAT WAS. >> JUST SORT. >> OF YOU KNOW, THAT. >> WAS LIKE YOU WALKED RIGHT INTO THAT ONE THERE. >> I, I DIDN’T WANT TO I DIDN’T WANT TO PICK ONE OF THE BIG DOGS. YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE EVERYONE YOU TALK TO ANYONE. WHO ARE YOU A FAN OF? YOU’RE YOU’RE EITHER GOING TO GET YOU’RE GOING TO GET LIVERPOOL, ARSENAL, UNITED, CITY, SPURS. >> YOU WANTED A PLUCKY UNDERDOG. YOU YOU YOU PURPOSELY WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY. YOU LOOKED INTO THE HISTORY OF TEAMS. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING UP YOU WERE GOING, OH I WANT I WANT TO GET ON BOARD WITH THE TEAM. I’M LOOKING UP DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THEM. AND I THINK IT WAS I THINK IT WAS CLOUGHIE WHO PUT IT OVER THE LINE FOR YOU, WASN’T IT? IT WAS. YEAH, IT WAS. >> THE HISTORY. IT WAS THE LOGO. AND ALSO, I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE JUST PROMOTED. SO IT FELT LIKE A FRESH START. YOU KNOW, THEY HADN’T BEEN IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE FOR 23 YEARS. IT ALL JUST FELT IT ALL JUST FELT LIKE IT WORKED. AND THEN AS FATE WOULD HAVE IT, I WAS IN LONDON. TWO WEEKS LATER, I GOT TO GO TO THEM VERSUS MAN CITY AWAY. THEY LOSE SIX 0-3 THREE GOALS FOR HOLLAND IN THE FIRST HALF. IT WAS LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. BY THE WAY, HAVE YOU BEEN ENJOYING THE CLUB WORLD CUP? >> I WAS WATCHING IT JUST BEFORE WE GOT ON HERE. MAN CITY 2-0 UP AT HALF TIME AGAINST SOME TEAMS INTO IT. I’VE NEVER. >> HEARD OF CASABLANCA. >> I DON’T MIND IT. YEAH THAT’S RIGHT. YEAH. AND AMRABAT WAS PLAYING FROM A FORMER FIORENTINA AND SOME LOANEE AT MANCHESTER UNITED DURING OUR HORRIFIC SPELLS THAT IS ONGOING AT THE MOMENT. BUT YEAH, I LIKE IT AND THERE’S MORE PEOPLE AT IT THAN I IMAGINED. AND I’VE BEEN LISTENING TO A LOT OF THE COVERAGE. IT WAS A GREAT INTERVIEW ON SECOND CAPTAINS THE OTHER DAY WITH A WITH A SOUTH SOUTH AMERICAN, AN ENGLISH GUY WHO’S BASED IN SOUTH AMERICA. I WISH HIS HIS NAME ESCAPES ME NOW, BUT HE WAS VERY GOOD AND HE KIND OF PUT IT TO THE EUROPEAN MEDIA LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS MEANS A LOT TO PEOPLE IN SOUTH AMERICA. LIKE, THIS IS A HUGE MOMENT. HE EXPLAINED HOW LIKE THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WAS FORMED IN THE 50s, THEN THE COPA LIBERTADORES WAS FORMED. I THINK THAT’S HOW YOU SAY IT IN SOUTH AMERICA, TO FIND THE BEST SOUTH AMERICAN TEAM, AND IT’S BEEN VERY RARE THAT WE’VE WE’VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY OR A POSSIBILITY WHERE THEY CAN COME TOGETHER AND AND FIND OUT WHO’S THE BEST. AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE SEGMENTS OF THE WORLD REPRESENTED IN THIS TOURNAMENT. SO I THINK THAT WAS GOOD TO HAVE. A COUNTERARGUMENT TO A LOT OF THE CRITICISM THAT THAT THE TOURNAMENT HAS FACED, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF IT IS A LOT OF A LOT OF IT IS VERY WELL FOUNDED. I THINK IT’S GOOD TO HAVE A COUNTERBALANCE AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EUROPEAN VIEW ISN’T ALL THAT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS GLOBAL TOURNAMENT THEY’RE PUTTING ON. >> I DIG IT. >> I THINK IT’S BEEN FUN. >> AND IT’S GOING TO GET REALLY FUN. THE KNOCKOUT STAGES, LIKE IF IT’S BEEN FUN NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE CRAZY. >> ONCE THE BIG DOGS ARE ARE LEFT, IT’S GOING TO BE LIKE A MINI, YOU KNOW, CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TOURNAMENT FOR, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, HELLO ARIEL FROM BEN. IF YOU WANT A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TOMORROW, I’M TALKING LIKE 500 MILLION. WOULD YOU STILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS JOB OR ANY JOB AT ALL? GOLLY, THAT’S A TOUGH QUESTION. >> 500 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. >> YEAH, MAN, I DON’T KNOW. HONESTLY, I MIGHT JUST SAY. >> I MEAN. >> I’M GONNA GO CHILL FOR A YEAR OR SO AND FIGURE THINGS OUT. MAYBE BUY. CAN I BUY SOME KIND OF SPORTING FRANCHISE FOR 500 MILLION? >> THAT’S ACTUALLY A GOOD THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. LIKE. >> COULD I BUY, LIKE A A LOW LEVEL FOOTBALL CLUB? >> OH FOR SURE. LIKE A NOT NOT A PREMIER LEAGUE CLUB. YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU HAD 500 MILLION NO DOUBT. >> CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, YOU THINK. >> NO I’D PARTY MYSELF TO DEATH WITHIN 24 HOURS OF MAKING THAT KIND OF MONEY. THAT’S THE THAT’S. >> THE FIRST. WHAT’S THE FIRST THING I DO? WHAT’S THE. DO I BUY A WESTFALIA? DO I BUY THAT LIKE AN ORIGINAL? >> AM I BORING? >> THEY COST ABOUT 60 GRAND. WHAT ARE YOU. >> TALKING ABOUT? I’D LIKE PAY MY MORTGAGE. I’D DO THE MOST BORING. >> WELL, NO, NO, YOU GET EVERYTHING OFF THE TABLE, RIGHT? LIKE YOU JUST CLEAR EVERYTHING. >> ALL DEBTS SETTLED. >> YEAH, YEAH, THAT’S. THAT’S EASY. THAT’S THE. >> FIRST FUND MONEY PUT AWAY. I’M THE MOST BORING DUDE. >> AND THEN WE ALL GO TO SOUTH KOREA AND DRINK WITH IRON. >> TURTLE. NO, WE FLY IN HERE. >> WHY DON’T WE, BRO? >> OR THAT? DO WE GO ON A PRIVATE PLANE TO FREAKING AUSTRALIA? LIKE, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? >> WHO CARES? WE GOT 500 MILLION IN THE BANK. >> BECAUSE A . I’M GETTING A LOT OF PLASTIC SURGERY. >> I LIKE HOW THIS IS WE. BY THE WAY. YEAH, WE’RE ALL TOGETHER. I’M LOVING THE. >> THE FIRST WEEKEND. >> KNICKS COURTSIDE SEASON TICKETS THAT COST ME, LIKE, WHAT, 50 K OR SOMETHING? PROBABLY MORE HUNDRED K. >> NOW GET THE LIFE. >> DROP IN THE BUCKET. >> JUST BE. >> LIKE DROPPING THE BUCKET AT THAT POINT. >> BY THE WAY, HE ALSO SAYS WITH NOTHING BUT LOVE TO GC AND THE REST OF YOU, CAN WE PLEASE NOW STOP TALKING ABOUT SEAN BRADY AND THE BIKE CHALLENGE? HE CLEARLY ISN’T INTERESTED AND IT’S STARTING TO FEEL LIKE CHASING AFTER AN EX WHO DOESN’T WANT TO TALK TO YOU ANYMORE. >> WOW. >> YEAH, I FEEL LIKE WE SAID THAT OURSELVES. YEAH, AND WE HAVE MOVED ON. >> YEAH. >> THAT’S ALL RIGHT THOUGH. NO, NO, NO WORRIES MAN. >> I THINK HE’LL COME AROUND. BUT YES IT IS, IT IS. >> WHAT IF, WHAT IF I DON’T WANT TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. >> YEAH, THAT’S A GOOD POINT. THAT’S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. >> I’M NOT FINISHED WITH IT YET. >> PERHAPS YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT INTO THIS ONE. COSMO KRAMER, DO WE HAVE ANY EFFING NEWS ON BIG NEWS? HUGHES VERSUS USMAN SICK OF SEEING MY BOY BEING OUT ON THE SIDELINE WHILE THE NFL NEEDS THIS FIGHT. WHAT’S GOING ON? TT WHAT’S THE CRACK? >> I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE IS GOING ON. I’LL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED. THEY PUT OUT A TWEET SAYING THAT THE WINNER OF A FIGHT BETWEEN MANSOUR BARNETT AND COLGAN, RIGHT, ARCHIE COLGAN WAS GOING TO BE DECIDE WHO FIGHTS HIM NEXT. AND WE ALL HAD A FIT. OF COURSE, IN IRELAND, YOU SEE PAUL THERE? HEY, QUIT THE RAGE BAIT. SOURCES HAVE TOLD ME WITHIN THE THE CAMP THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY AREN’T GOING TO GO WITH IT, BUT THEN THE COACH SHOWED UP AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE. THE COACH BEING. LIKE JOHN, THE INSIDER, JONATHAN COACHMAN, PFL INSIDER JOHN COACHMAN. >> NO, NO NO, NO, HE’S NOT AN INSIDER. THEY HAVE POSITION. >> NO NO NO. THEY THEY CLARIFIED THAT HE IS IN FACT AN INSIDER. ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE CLARIFIED THAT TO THE MEDIA. INSIDER JONATHAN COACHMAN SHOWS UP AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE DOING A PRESS CONFERENCE. AND HE SAID, DON’T YOU BELIEVE WHAT THAT OFFICIAL FL ACCOUNT IS SAYING? ONLY BELIEVE WHAT THE COACH SAYS. AND IF YOU’RE NOT WATCHING THE COACH RULES, WHICH IS A SHOW THAT IS WITHIN THE FL BROADCAST AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IF YOU’RE NOT WATCHING THAT OR HIS TWEETS, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST CONFUSING SITUATIONS I’VE EVER HEARD OR SEEN. A PROMOTION DO IN MY LIFE. SO NOT DON’T DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF THE FL IS SAYING. BELIEVE WHAT JONATHAN COACHMAN IS SAYING, WHO IS LABELED AS AN INSIDER FOR THE FL BUT IS ALSO DOING PRESS CONFERENCES ON BEHALF OF THE FL? WELL, THIS. >> SHOWS IT SHOWS A LOT OF CONFUSION ON THEIR PART. I’VE HAD I’VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH JONATHAN COACHMAN, NEVER AT ALL. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY HE’S STARTING TO GO ON TWITTER TALKING ALL KINDS OF ABOUT ME MAKING THINGS UP AND TALKING ABOUT THINGS HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE’RE THRUST INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THE MISFITS CARD. AND HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN NICER. AND WE SHOOK HANDS AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I DIDN’T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THAT WAS, BUT ALL RIGHT, FINE, WE’RE ALL GOOD. AND SO I’D LIKE TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT AND I HOPE HE UNDERSTANDS THIS. IF HE HEARS THIS. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF FL NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY’RE DOING, BECAUSE IT’S VERY CLEAR THAT DONN DAVIS AND PETER MURRAY DON’T WANT TO BE THAT GUY. THEY DON’T WANT TO BE THE GUY STANDING AT THE DAIS ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. THEY’RE NOT THAT GUY. THEY’RE BUSINESSMEN. THEY’RE NOT THAT GUY. RAY SEFO, GOD BLESS HIM. NOT THAT GUY. HE’S A COACH. HE’S NOT THAT GUY. HE’S NEVER BEEN THAT GUY. I’M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT HIS ROLE IS ANYMORE AND HOW HE HAS MAINTAINED THAT ROLE. IF WE’RE BEING 100% HONEST AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, WORLD SERIES OF FIGHTING. AND SO IT’S VERY CLEAR. I KNOW FOR A FACT DONN DAVIS REALLY LIKES COACH GREAT. HE’S A GREAT BROADCASTER. HE’S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. HE’S GOT CACHET. AND HE SAID, OKAY, YOU DO THESE PRESS CONFERENCES, YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, WELL, THIS IS THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FIGHTING. IT’S NOT ABOUT WHO SPEAKS WELL. IT’S NOT ABOUT WHO CAN STAND THERE, YOU KNOW, AT THE DAIS AND LOOK GOOD OR PLAY THE PART . PEOPLE WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE KNOW WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISIONS. JONATHAN COACHMAN ISN’T MAKING THE FIGHTS, AND SO IT’S THE SAME THING. LIKE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE UFC BOUGHT WC AND REED HARRIS WOULD SHOW UP AND SORT OF DANCE AROUND THESE QUESTIONS. WE ALL KNEW HE WASN’T THE ONE ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISIONS. OR WHEN THE UFC BOUGHT STRIKEFORCE AND SCOTT COKER HAD NO POWER ANYMORE, HE WAS THE ONE MAKING THE DECISIONS. IT WASN’T INTERESTING SPEAKING TO HIM ANYMORE. OR WHEN PEOPLE SAY TO ME LIKE, HEY, DANIEL CORMIER OR CHAEL SONNEN SHOULD BE THE FACE OF UFC, WELL, THEY DON’T MAKE DECISIONS. SO THAT’S NOT VERY INTERESTING. GIVE ME A BORING GUY. IF IT’S HUNTER CAMPBELL OR SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T HAVE A NAME, WHO DOESN’T HAVE THE PERSONALITY, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW HE MAKES THE DECISIONS. THAT’S WHY EDDIE HEARN IS SO GREAT TO TALK TO, BECAUSE HE’S CHARISMATIC, ENTERTAINING, AND HE MAKES THE DECISIONS. AND SO THIS IDEA TO SAY, HEY, LET’S PUT A BROADCASTER UP THERE AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE SPEAKS WELL IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THEM. NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS WORKS, BECAUSE THEN YOU’RE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE A GREAT JOURNALIST LIKE DONNA CORBY IS ASKING HIM A QUESTION AND HE DANCES AROUND IT AND CREATES A BIGGER MESS THAN IF IT WAS JUST SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THE KNOW BEING LIKE, HEY, WE’RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT. BECAUSE THAT ANSWER CREATED A BIGGER MESS. YOU SEE WHAT I’M SAYING? HE’S NOT THE DECISION MAKER. HE’S NOT THE GUY. HE’S JUST THE GUY THAT THEY SAID, HEY, YOU GO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT TO DO IT. THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS. AND THAT’S WHY IT’S AWKWARD. LIKE WHEN ANIK IS UP AT THE PRESS CONFERENCES AND PEOPLE ASK HIM QUESTIONS, HE DOESN’T HAVE THE POWER TO ANSWER THESE THINGS. HE DOESN’T WANT TO ANSWER THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS. DAVE SHAW, SAME THING. HE’S JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE ALIVE. HE’S JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE WITHOUT GETTING INTO TROUBLE. AND THAT’S THE SAME THING WITH ANYONE ELSE WHO IS NOT ULTIMATELY THE BOSS. AND SO I LOOK AT THAT AND I’M LIKE, THESE GUYS JUST DON’T GET IT. SAME WAY THEY DON’T GET IT WHEN THEY PUT ON, YOU KNOW, EVENTS AT UNIVERSAL STUDIOS OR WHEN THEY MAKE THE UNIFORMS OR WHEN THEY DO SOME OF THESE BOOKINGS OR HOW THEY TREAT SOME OF THEIR TALENT, LIKE THEY JUST DON’T GET IT. AND IT’S JUST EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE, THEY DON’T GET. >> IT. >> WELL, DON HARDY IS THERE. DAN HARDY IS AT THESE EVENTS. HE IS A COMMENTATOR. HE IS HE IS. >> THE ANSWER. EITHER HE IS THE ANSWER. >> AT LEAST HE HAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ELEMENTS OF THIS WHOLE PROMOTION. WHAT THEY’VE DONE IN EUROPE IS FANTASTIC AND NO ONE’S ABLE TO SEE IT. YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE ONE IN BELGIUM HERE, BUT THE STUFF HARDY’S DONE IN EUROPE HAS BEEN FANTASTIC AND HE’S BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE. I’M SPEAKING TO THE TEAMS, HE’S REACHING OUT TO. THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A BIG GAP AT ONE STAGE WITH BELLATOR, ESPECIALLY BACK THEN WHERE THEY WEREN’T REACHING OUT TO CERTAIN TEAMS. DAN IS SPREADING THE LOVE. HE’S REACHING OUT TO EVERYONE. HE’S TRYING TO MAKE CONTACTS, HE’S TRYING TO BUILD UP PROSPECTS. AND I THINK THAT’S BEEN REFLECTIVE IN THE IN THE PARIS CARDS IN THE UK. WE’RE GOING TO SEE IN BELGIUM A CARD FULL OF REALLY, REALLY TALENTED YOUNGSTERS THAT HE’S FOUND OVER THERE. THIS IS A GUY WHO KNOWS ABOUT FIGHTS, AT THE VERY LEAST AERIAL. IT’S BETTER THAN HAVING A GUY UP THERE SAYING. >> LOOK AT ME. >> LOOK AT MY ACCOUNT. DON’T LOOK AT ROB FONT. >> THAT IS, I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT. I MEAN. >> THAT WAS BIZARRE. IT WAS TRULY BIZARRE. BUT YES, I COULDN’T AGREE MORE. I COULDN’T AGREE. >> MORE. >> IT IS ON THE GROUND. HE’S ACTUALLY PEOPLE. THEY’RE THEY’RE A MESS. THEY’RE AN ABSOLUTE MESS. THEY HAD SOMETHING THEY HAD SOME KIND OF MOMENTUM A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO, AND THEY’VE SQUANDERED IT EVER SINCE. THE BELLATOR ACQUISITION. IT’S GONE SOUTH FOR. >> THEM. >> FAIR? >> YEAH, I THINK IT’S FAIR. BUT THEY HAVE DONE GREAT THINGS IN EUROPE. AND I THINK THAT’S ANOTHER REASON TO BE ANNOYED ABOUT THIS. LIKE PAUL DOES THIS CARD IN BELFAST, THE WHOLE SELLING POINT OF THIS CARD IS YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS GUY FIGHT HERE AGAIN BECAUSE HE’S GOING OFF TO FIGHT FOR THE WORLD. >> TITLE. >> AND THEN HE GETS 8,000 PEOPLE THERE. HE DOES A GREAT CALL OUT, LIKE THIS IS STUFF THAT THEY DON’T DO. PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS RIGHT. THEY DO IT IN PARIS. THEY’VE DONE IT IN A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THEY DON’T DO IT IN, IN, IN UK AND IRELAND, PAUL HUGHES MADE THAT HAPPEN. AND THEN IT’S LIKE, OH WELL THANKS VERY MUCH. BUT WE’RE ACTUALLY GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITH THAT. LIKE THAT’S, THAT’S BEING DISHONEST TO THE FAN BASE THAT YOU’VE GOT TO PAY FOR TICKETS. YOU DON’T HAVE THIS HAPPEN EVERY DAY TO THEN TELL THOSE SAME PEOPLE LIKE, OH NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. IT’S VERY DISINGENUOUS. AND PEOPLE DON’T FORGET THAT. >> YEAH. YOU’RE RIGHT GEORGE SHALOM ON TEAM. WOULD THE TEAM BE INTERESTED IN DOING A NEW SEGMENT ON BOYS IN THE BACK WHERE EACH WEEK A DIFFERENT TEAM MEMBER VLOGS A DAY IN THE LIFE TO SEE HOW EVERYONE’S DAY DIFFERS AT UNCROWNED. ALSO, IF IT’S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK, COULD YOU TEXT HIS EXCELLENCY MR. TURKEY IF HE IS ACTUALLY BUYING MY BELOVED MILLWALL FC? OKAY, LET ME GET ON THAT. EXCUSE ME TURKEY. ALL THE BEST. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. WE MIGHT BE DOING MORE VLOGS. NOT QUITE THE WAY YOU’RE LAYING IT OUT, BUT STAY TUNED . >> YEAH I’M COMING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PC DAY IN THE LIFE. I’D LIKE TO SEE A PC DAY IN THE LIFE FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU WALKING THE DOG, GETTING INTO THE SPOT, ALL THAT STUFF. >> I COULD DO THAT. YEAH. >> NO PROBLEM. >> ROB. ROB MALLOW. FUN HYPOTHETICAL FOR IF. DUB IF CHARLES MISSES. >> WAIT. >> WILL THEY AUTOMATICALLY REPLACE HIM WITH TSARUKYAN? OR WILL ILYA STILL BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE TO FIGHT CHARLES IF HE DOES HAVE THE CHOICE? DO YOU THINK HE FANCIES A MATCH AGAINST AN OVERWEIGHT CHARLES OR A 155 TSARUKYAN? IF CHARLES MISSES WEIGHT LIKE YOU MEAN, IT’S ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WHERE HE MISSES WEIGHT. SO IF HE WINS, HE CAN’T WIN THE BELT. >> WHO KNOWS? >> WELL, I DON’T EVEN. WILL THEY STILL. >> BE ALLOWED. >> TO DECIDE? IT’S KIND OF GIVE ME A HEADACHE. THIS QUESTION. IT’S A LOT OF IFS. IF HE DOES HAVE THE CHOICE, DO YOU THINK HE FANCIES A MATCH AGAINST AN OVERWEIGHT? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW MY NAME’S NOT ILYA. >> IT’S TOUGH. >> IT IS TOUGH. BUT THAT WOULD BE CRAZY. IT WOULD BE CRAZY. SIX MONTHS LATER, IF TSARUKYAN HAS TO WALTZ IN THERE ON 24 HOURS NOTICE, ADAM. HI, AARON. THE GANG REAL QUICK ONE ON THE TOM JOHN THING. IF IT’S NOT HAPPENING IN TOM IS FIGHTING INSERT NAME HERE CIRYL GANE. WHEN YOU FORESEE IT HAPPENING. IF IT’S FOR THE VACANT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE WOULD SURELY BE A PAY-PER-VIEW HEADLINE, BUT WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE CONFIRMED UNTIL AT LEAST OCTOBER. WELL, THERE’S A PAY PER VIEW IN EARLY OCTOBER IN VEGAS AND THEN ONE IN LATE OCTOBER IN ABU DHABI. SO I THINK OCTOBER MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. COULD BE ONE OF. >> THOSE. >> IT’S SERIOUSLY LOOKING LIKE TOM IS GOING TO HAVE BEEN NON-ACTIVE FOR THE BEST PART OF 18 MONTHS. DURING THE PRIME OF HIS CAREER. IT’S ABSOLUTELY. >> CRIMINAL. IT IS. >> ANYWAY. I SHALL SPEAK NOTHING MORE OF IT. LOVE THE SHOW. ALL THE BEST. YEAH, I THINK OCTOBER MAKES. >> SENSE. >> DO A HEAVYWEIGHT TOURNAMENT THAT DAY. MAKE US INTERESTED IN THAT DIVISION AGAIN. LIKE IF JON JONES IS LEAVING, DO A HEAVYWEIGHT TOURNAMENT. LET US KNOW THAT NIGHT WHO? WHO? THE WINNER IS FIGHTING NEXT. LIKE, JUST. YEAH, INJECT IT WITH STEROIDS. GIVE IT TO US. >> HERE’S A GOOD. >> ONE. >> OIL BEEF. HOOKED SUBAERIAL. IF TURKEY CAME TO YOU AND SAID HE’D DONATE 1 BILLION TO A CHARITY OF YOUR. >> CHOICE. >> BUT ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS A THREE ROUND MMA MATCH AGAINST ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ALI BHLB , FLATEARTH FROSCH OR DANA. >> FROCK. FRAC FRAC. >> B. >> WHO ARE YOU CHOOSING? WHO ARE YOU CHOOSING. >> TO MATCH UP AGAINST? AND WHO DO YOU THINK THE BOYS? WHO DO THE BOYS THINK YOU CAN TAKE OVER THREE ROUNDS? I MEAN, THESE ARE VERY TOUGH OPPONENTS, BY THE WAY. THERE’S ONE. >> ROUNDS ARE BOXING. >> AND. >> MMA IS. >> A. >> FORMER FORMER OLYMPIAN, FORMER OLYMPIAN, EGYPTIAN OLYMPIAN, FORMER UFC CHAMPION, FORMER BOXING CHAMPION OR FORMER AMATEUR CHAMPION . ALSO, AM I ALLOWED TO JUICE AS WELL? >> I MEAN, YOU’D HAVE TO ALL. >> THESE. >> DINIZ MELTING THE. >> TEST. >> I DON’T KNOW, MAN. WHO AM I GOING AFTER? >> BILLION DOLLARS? >> NO, NO. WHO AM I PICKING? >> I KNOW, BUT BUT IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER FOR 1 BILLION. WOULDN’T YOU GET IN THERE WITH ANY OF THEM? >> I KNOW, BUT WHO’S THE MOST WHO’S THE MOST WINNABLE? >> I WILL FIGHT ANY OF THEM FOR 1 BILLION. OKAY. RECORD THIS. >> YOU GET 1 BILLION. WIN OR LOSE. >> YEAH. >> I’M GONNA SAY DANA’S LIKE OF THAT LIST. >> BECAUSE OF THE AGE. >> LIKE. YEAH, AGE. >> MOST BANTAMWEIGHT. >> AND THE LEAST ACTUAL. >> YEAH. >> YOU’RE RIGHT, YOU’RE RIGHT, YOU’RE RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU GONNA SELL THE FIGHT MORE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> BUT WE’LL BE THERE. WE’LL BE IN YOUR CORNER. >> I WOULD ALSO DO THE BIGGEST NUMBERS. >> I MEAN, THAT’S TRUE. IT WOULD BE. >> YEAH. I’M NOT BRINGING IN THE NUMBERS. IN FAIRNESS, THAT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR ME. YEAH, I THINK HARRY WILL IT LIKE I NEED HIM. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I FANCY $1 BILLION. >> AND THEN WE GET THE RANDOM 500 MIL FROM THE EARLIER. >> WAIT. SORRY, PIZZA. YOU SAID YOU FANCY HIM AGAINST THESE GUYS? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU. PETE. APPRECIATE YOU. BY THE WAY, WE’RE SITTING ON 1 BILLION AND 500 MILLION HERE. >> 1.5. >> I KNOW PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU MONEY TODAY. NOW, GRANTED, ONE OF THEM WAS FOR CHARITY AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, YOU POCKET IT. >> IT’S STILL IT’S STILL A GREAT. >> I’M GETTING THOSE FLOOR SEATS FOR THIS KIND OF SUPPORT. YEAH. THAT’S THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DOING HERE. I’M GONNA BE IN THE CORNER. >> BUT. >> I’LL GET YOU UNITED. >> TICKETS. LIKE OUR HEARTS. >> WILL BE IN THE CORNER. >> I’LL BE IN THE CORNER WITH. >> WE DON’T NEED THAT. >> THE TOWEL READY TO GO. >> I THOUGHT YOU I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY WITH THE GOPRO. >> YEAH, I’LL HAVE THE THE REF GLASSES. >> YEAH. >> YEAH, YEAH. WHEN I BOMB THE THE TOWEL IN, LIKE, PEYTON MANNING. >> SPEAKING OF ALI, SEBASTIAN SAYS MY GIRLFRIEND AND I WERE WONDERING, WHY DOES KAYLA SEEM TO HAVE NO ISSUE COMING ON THE SHOW AND ACTUALLY SEEMS TO ENJOY YOU VERY MUCH, EVEN THOUGH SHE’S MANAGED BY THE INFAMOUS ALI, YOUR LOYAL FANS TONY AND SEBASTIAN, BECAUSE SHE HAS A MIND OF HER OWN, LIKE SHE IS OKAY MAKING DECISIONS ON HER OWN, AND SHE RECOGNIZES THAT SHE IS THE BOSS AND HE WORKS FOR HER. THAT’S THE WAY THIS SHOULD GO, AND SHE’S COMFORTABLE IN HER OWN SKIN, AND SHE’S NOT GOING TO LET ANYONE TELL HER WHAT TO DO. SHE HAS BIGGER BALLS THAN ANY OF THE OTHER FIGHTERS ON THE ROSTER. MAYBE THAT’S WHY SHE’S A TWO TIME OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST, BECAUSE SHE’S A BADASS. BECAUSE SHE DOESN’T LET ANYONE DICTATE WHO SHE SPEAKS TO, WHAT SHE DOES. SHE THINKS FOR HERSELF. >> YEAH. >> ALL THOSE. >> THINGS. >> SHE’S ALWAYS SAID THAT THE ABUSE WOULD GET OFF JULIANNA PEÑA. JESUS. >> THIS IS FROM NBC 28 GC. YOU EVER USE THE SHOW TO GET A GIRL’S NUMBER? PULL UP A CLIP OF YOU ON THE BIKE OR SOMETHING? >> JESUS CHRIST. >> NO. >> I PROMISE YOU, GIRLS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS SHOW. >> YOU KNOW? BUT HE’S SAYING, PULL UP A CLIP OF YOU ON THE BIKE. >> YEAH, THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. >> AND BY THE WAY, THE PREVIOUS QUESTION GUY SAID HIS GIRLFRIEND AND I WERE WONDERING. SO THEY CLEARLY ARE INTERESTED. >> HOW WOULD YOU SAY. >> JUST PRETEND LIKE. >> IF THE. GIRLFRIEND IS ONLY INTERESTED BECAUSE THE BOYFRIEND HAS FORCED HER TO WATCH THE PROGRAM. >> HOW WOULD YOU TRY AND GO WAIT, HOLD. >> ON, THAT’S NOT FAIR BECAUSE WE’VE HAD SOME WONDERFUL WOMEN CALLING INTO THE SHOW ON BOYS IN THE BACK. SHOUT OUT, LEAVING VOICEMAILS. THERE ARE THERE ARE WOMEN OUT THERE THAT THEY’RE OUT THERE THIS CONTENT AND WE YEAH. >> WHEN I WHEN I TELL WOMEN ABOUT MY JOB, THEY’RE USUALLY JUST LIKE. THAT’S INTERESTING. OKAY. >> THE FIGHTING. >> THING. AND IN THEIR HEAD THEY’RE. >> LIKE. >> IS IT. >> REAL LOSER. >> IT REMINDS ME OF THE TIME I WAS AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, AND I FINALLY GOT THIS GIRL IN PSYCHOLOGY CLASSES NUMBER THAT I REALLY, REALLY LIKED. AND THEN I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I’M NOT GOING TO DO THE LIKE, OH, WAIT, THREE, FOUR DAY THING. I’M GOING TO CALL HER THE NEXT DAY. SO I CALLED HER ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. I WAS WATCHING NBA ALL STAR WEEKEND, I REMEMBER, AND SHE’S LIKE, OH, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOMORROW? AND I SAID, I’M INTERVIEWING THE IRON SHEIK ON MY WRESTLING RADIO SHOW. >> YEAH. >> AND I NEVER HEARD FROM HER AGAIN. >> OH, YEAH. YEAH. >> SO YEAH. >> MAYBE WHEN I WAS THERE. THAT’S A BIG. >> SHOUT OUT. >> OKAY. JUST KIND OF KEEP IT LOW KEY UNTIL, YOU KNOW. >> UNTIL THE TIME. >> IS RIGHT. >> I COVER SPORTS. >> YOU KNOW, GO WITH THAT ONE. >> YEAH. WHO DO YOU WORK FOR? >> YAHOO SPORTS SPORTS. >> WOW. >> NOT EVEN UNCROWNED. . >> IT’S UNCROWNED. AND THEN THEY’RE. >> LIKE, GOING DOWN. >> A DIFFERENT. >> OH. >> WHAT’S THAT? >> YEAH. >> AND THEN YOU’RE, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE INTERVIEWING THE IRON SHEIK THEN, AREN’T YOU? LET’S BE HONEST. >> THE REVOLTING BLOB ASKS. DEAR ARIEL, NOW THAT WE GOT THE IRON TURTLE ON THE SHOW, HOW DO WE GET PARKER PORTER ON NEXT? OH, HE’S THE NEXT ONE. I WAS HOPING THAT THE PRIDE OF WEST HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT, WOULD MAKE AN APPEARANCE AFTER SCORING A 1 MINUTE KNOCKOUT IN THE MAIN EVENT OF BKFC IN HIS HOME STATE THIS PAST WEEKEND. ALL RIGHT, WE’LL WORK. >> ON IT. >> I LOVE HOW WE CAN’T EVEN REVEL IN HAVING THE IRON TURTLE FOR ONE SECOND BEFORE THEY’RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, I KNOW THERE’S A NEW GUY. >> LET’S ENJOY. LET’S ENJOY THE TURTLE FOR NOW. BUT YEAH. >> AT LEAST. >> FOR NOW, THE PORK MAN COMING SOON. >> CHRISTIAN JUAREZ ASKS. HELLO FAM. ARIEL, I’M ASKING THIS AS SOMEONE LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, SO PLEASE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN IT COMES TO THE BAR MITZVAH CELEBRATION. USUALLY THERE’S SOMEONE OR SOMETHING BIG THAT THE PARENTS GIVE THEIR CHILD PER THEIR REQUEST. DID YOUR SON ASK FOR A CELEBRITY OR A CERTAIN THING FOR HIS CELEBRATION? MUCH LOVE FROM CHICAGO. WELL, HE ONLY ASKED FOR ONE THING AND HE DID NOT GET IT. HE ASKED FOR A A CELL PHONE AND HE DID NOT GET IT. HE GOT A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN THAT. >> THOUGH. >> AND WELL, NOW I’M IN DEBT FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. NO, HE’S GOT A HE GOT A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, ACTUALLY. MY GOOD FRIEND JOHN BEHAR GAVE HIM AN UNBELIEVABLE GIFT AND YEAH, SHOULD I TELL THEM THE STORY OR SHOULD I NOT. >> YEAH. >> SHOULD I SAY IT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I DON’T KNOW. YEAH I DON’T THINK SO. >> I DON’T I. >> DON’T THINK. >> I DON’T KNOW THE STORY. >> FRANK’S NOT LOOKING. OUT FOR MY BEST INTEREST. >> YEAH I HAVE NO IDEA. THE STORY. >> I WOULDN’T TELL. >> YOU KNOW. >> WHAT THE STORY IS? SOLIDARITY. >> I SENT TO. >> THE GROUP. >> OH OH OH OH, YEAH, YEAH. >> YEAH, YEAH. OH, I KNOW THAT THING. >> YEAH. KEEP IT PRIVATE. >> KEEP IT PRIVATE. >> WHAT? >> YEAH. HOW ANNOYING IS THIS. >> FOR THE LISTENERS? >> FRANK. FRANK WANTS EVERYTHING TO BE REVEALED TO EVERYONE. UNLESS IT’S ABOUT HIMSELF. >> THE GUY? YEAH, EXACTLY. HE’S LIKE, YEAH, YEAH, GO GO GO. >> GO GO. >> HE DOXED ME ON AN EPISODE OF BOYS IN THE BACK THE OTHER WEEK. >> WOW. >> HE’S LIKE SICK. FRANK. >> WHY? >> WHY, FRANK? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> WHAT? WHAT AGE? WHAT AGE IS HE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A CELL PHONE? >> OKAY, SO. >> HOW DID YOU HOW DID YOU PUSH THE. HOW DID YOU KICK THE CAN DOWN THERE? >> I TOLD. >> HIM SO. >> IT’S GETTING TO THE POINT. HE’S HE’S LITERALLY THE LAST KID LEFT. >> YEAH. >> HE’S ENTERING EIGHTH GRADE. HE’S HE’S HE’S VERY CLEARLY INTO THE FEMALES NOW. AND HE’S SAYING THAT IT’S HURTING HIM. >> IT’S HURTING HIS GAME. >> IT’S HURTING HIM. HERE’S THE GAME. >> HE’S THEY’RE THEY’RE CALLING HIM IPAD BOY. >> IS WHAT. >> WOW. >> I SAY LOOK. >> HE’S GETTING FLAMED. >> I SAY LOOK MAN, BE COMFORTABLE. OWN IT. YOU’RE DIFFERENT. BE PROUD. >> I’VE CHANGED MY STANCE. >> I’VE CHANGED MY STANCE. EVEN AS A FATHER. I SHOW UP. >> AS A JUNE BUG. >> YOU KNOW THOSE. PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP LIKE TOURISTS WITH IPADS AND TAKE PICTURES OF THINGS? >> THAT’S YOUR SON TO SCHOOL? >> YES, THIS CEREMONY WAS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE MANHOOD. >> AND NOW I’M. I’M. >> I’M NEGATIVE AURA. >> I FEEL LIKE. >> HE. >> I FEEL LIKE HE NEEDS IT. >> I SAID BY THE END OF 25. >> OKAY, OKAY. >> BY THE TIME HE TURNS 25 OR. >> THE END OF 20. >> I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY MY MY LIFE ENDED ONCE I GOT A CELL PHONE. THAT’S WHERE EVERYTHING BEEN DOWNHILL SINCE. >> THERE YOU GO. >> SO I’M TRYING TO DELAY THAT. I SEE ALL. >> THESE VIDEOS ALL. >> THE TIME. I WAS. >> 14, YOU. >> WERE 14, MAN. >> I THINK I WAS ALSO LIKE 13. 14. >> OH MY GOD. >> I GOT MINE. I THINK THIRD YEAR OF COLLEGE. >> I HAD A STAR TECH. REMEMBER THOSE? YEAH, I WAS IN JUNIOR. >> HIGH. >> NUCKY. >> 3310 BABY. AND I HAD THE NOKIA WITH THE SNAKE ON IT. >> NO. >> THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS THE JAM. >> THE ONE I ALWAYS SEE THESE VIDEOS. THE MOMENT YOU GIVE YOUR KID A CELL PHONE, THEIR CHILDHOOD DIES. SO WHY DO I WANT TO PARTAKE IN THAT? WHY DO WHY DO I WANT TO EXPEDITE? >> WELL, HERE’S MY ONLY MY DEVIL’S ADVOCATE. >> HE HAS AN IPHONE WATCH OR WHATEVER. >> IT’S INEVITABLE THOUGH. THIS WILL END AT SOME POINT. >> DO YOU EVER TRY AND SEND A MESSAGE ON ONE OF THESE THINGS? >> YEAH. NO. IT’S NOT GREAT. IT’S NOT GREAT. >> AND ALSO, GETTING CALLED IPAD BOY, LIKE YOU’RE. >> YOU’RE. >> YOU’RE HURTING HIM HERE. >> I’M SORRY. IPAD BOYS. >> I’M STICKING I’M STICKING UP FOR ALI HERE. GET GET HIM ON THE PHONE. HE CAN’T DEAL WITH THIS. I CAN’T BE I WON’T BE GOING UP TO SOME YOUNG ONE AND BEING LIKE, HEY, LISTEN, WHAT’S GOING ON? CAN I GET YOUR NUMBER? AND THEN HANG ON THERE. WHAT IS IT? >> I KNOW. >> YOU HAND OVER THE TABLET. >> I HAVE A SOLUTION. >> I’LL FACETIME. >> YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO LOSE THE IPAD. BOY. NO MORE IPAD, NO IPHONE, NO NOTHING. >> JUST GO COLD TURKEY. >> BE THE GUY THAT’S OFF THE GRID. NO, NO NO, NO. >> WHY DON’T YOU JUST READ A BOOK? >> YEAH. I’D LOVE THAT. >> I’D LOVE THAT. HE’S PREDICTING ALSO THAT THE SIBLINGS ARE GOING TO GET AWAY EARLIER THAN HIM. BUT I’M GONNA. >> THEY WILL AND THEY WILL BECAUSE YOU WILL BREAK GROUND HERE AND THEN. >> YEAH, IT’S LIKE FORTNITE. >> I HELD DOWN FORTNITE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE GETS IT. BUT THEN EVERYONE’S YOUNGER AND HE’S LIKE, HOW IS THIS FAIR? >> BUT THAT’S PART OF THE LUQUE YOU HAVE THE BURDEN. YOU ARE THE YOU ARE THE FIRST. YOU’RE THE FIRST. HAVE THE BURDEN. THE BURDEN FIRST. >> PANCAKE. >> GIVE HIM THE PHONE. >> MATT. LEWIS. HI, ARIEL AND GANG AND JAMES TE-HUNA. >> JAMES TE-HUNA. >> IT NEVER FAILS. HAPPY INTERNATIONAL SUSHI DAY, ARIEL. WHILST WE KNOW YOU LOVE YOUR FANCY SUSHI, WHAT ARE EACH OF YOUR GO TO DISHES AND WHY? THAT’S A GOOD ONE. THERE’S A GREAT SCOTTISH SALMON AT SASEBO ON 73rd AND FIRST. GO CHECK IT OUT. ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREAT SUSHI SPOTS. >> JUST 800 QUID IF YOU HAVE IT THERE. JUST. >> IT’S NOT. IT’S AWESOME. >> YES. >> IS MORE AFFORDABLE. >> YES. THIS IS LIKE 130 EACH. >> YEAH. IT’S NOT THAT BAD. >> TT YOU WANT TO GO WHEN YOU. >> COME IN. >> IT’S. >> ME YOU AND JORDAN FOR OUR COLLECTIVE BIRTHDAYS. >> YEAH. >> RIP IT. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. >> I GOT SOME. OH YEAH. >> BUT IT’S ALL. >> GOOD I . >> IT’S ALL GOOD. NO NO. >> NO. >> HELL . >> NEXT DOOR. >> RIGHT. >> I’M NOT GOING. >> I’LL SAY FANCY SUSHI, MAN. ARIEL. HE HE’LL EAT THE THE. >> GROCERY STORE STUFF. >> YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, DO I ENJOY IT AS MUCH? NO. BUT OF COURSE, SUSHI. >> SUSHI. I WENT TO A. NO. >> THAT’S DANGEROUS, BUT MOSTLY SUSHI. >> SUSHI? NAKAZAWA IN THE WEST VILLAGE. IT WAS A FANCY OMAKASE. >> HOW WAS IT? >> IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS GREAT. NO. NO MUSIC, NO NOTHING. THERE WAS JUST LIKE, SILENT. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS. >> ARE WE GOING TO THE SPOT IN VEGAS? >> NO, WE’RE. >> NOT DOING. >> WE’VE GOT SOME DEVELOPMENTS ON THAT. IF I CAN EXPENSE. >> IT, I’M THERE. >> WHAT KIND. >> WE, WE SPOKE TO TO. >> JOHN BIER. >> YEAH. I DON’T KNOW IF YOU REVEALED THAT ON THE SHOW, BUT WE SPOKE TO JOHN BIER. >> ABOUT IT. >> AND YOUR NUMBERS MAY HAVE BEEN OFF. >> I ASKED IT FOR ITEMIZED. >> THEY MAY BE NORTH OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING. >> WAS IT? OH, HE WAS. >> HE WAS SPEAKING. >> LIKE HE SUGGESTED. >> THAT HE’S. >> IN THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR TWO BILLS. >> WHY? >> BECAUSE I HAD THE SAKE. BECAUSE. BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THE GOLD PLATED SAKE THING. AND I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, YOLO, LET’S GO. >> YEAH. >> HE WAS SAYING IT WAS, IT WAS IT WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE. >> LET’S JUST SAY UNLESS WE GET THAT THAT DONATION OF BILLIONS OR $500 MILLION, IT AIN’T HAPPENING. >> I DON’T RECALL THIS. >> WELL, I MEAN, SO IT FEELS LIKE YOU’RE MAKING SAKE. >> THIS FEELS LIKE YOU’RE MAKING A REAL PUSH FOR FOR US. >> I THINK YOU WANT TO, MAN. LISTEN. >> I’M JUST TRYING TO BOND AS A TEAM, THAT’S ALL. >> JUST GO TO RAMSAY. >> I’VE ALREADY GOT. I’VE ALREADY GOT THE RACE CAR BOOKED. >> WAIT, WHAT’D YOU SAY ? >> PATSY RAMSEY BURGER. IT’S EASY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> HAVE WE MADE. >> HAVE WE MADE ANY RESERVATIONS? WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY? >> FRIDAY FOR FOOD? >> OH, YEAH. >> MAYBE. MAYBE. >> NO. FOR FOOD. >> FOR FOOD. OH, YEAH. WE DID MAKE ONE. THAT’S WHAT WE WERE CELEBRATING EARLIER. WE GET OFF AIR. >> WOW. OKAY. >> WHICH DAY? >> WHICH DAY? SUNDAY. SUNDAY. >> SUNDAY. OH, I LIKE SON. OKAY. >> YOU’RE YOU’RE. >> YOU’RE BACK. >> OKAY. WHAT TIME. >> IN THE MORNING. IN THE MORNING. >> YOU KNOW, HE’S WONDERING WHY HE WASN’T INVITED. >> NO. NO. >> NO, I GOTTA MAKE A BIT OF. >> PULLED SOME STRINGS. >> I PULLED SOME. >> STRINGS AT THE SUSHI SPOT. >> WOW. NO, NO, NO. TELL ME. IT’S LIKE, WHAT THE? >> DON’T TELL ME IT’S LIKE SOME SORT. WELL, YOU’RE NOT A PART OF THIS PIZZA, YOU. >> KNOW, I’M CONFUSED. YOU’RE GOING. YOU’RE GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL SUNDAY. >> WE’RE GOING TO BE THERE TILL MONDAY. >> WE’VE WE’VE ONLY GONE OVER THIS 48 HOURS. >> UNTIL THE FOLLOWING. >> WEDNESDAY. DEFENSE. HE’S VERY, VERY CONFUSED ABOUT THE SCHEDULE. I HAVE RECEIVED. >> HE’S TOLD ME FOUR TIMES. >> TEN TEXT MESSAGES BEING LIKE, HEY, WAIT, DO I HAVE A SHOW ON FRIDAY? I KNOW ARIEL’S DOING THE SHOW AT FANATICS, BUT AM I. >> IS THIS A SHOW NOW? AM I DOING. >> A. >> SHOW NOW? I LITERALLY SENT HIM A MESSAGE YESTERDAY. >> WHY ARE. >> WE STILL GOING TO PETER LUGER’S WHEN YOU’RE HERE? >> OH, YEAH, I’D LOVE THAT. YEAH. WE NEED I NEED TO SEND AN EMAIL WITH ALL OF THE THE IDEAS FROM, LIKE, NEW YORK SOJOURN. >> LET’S GO FOR LUNCH. AFTER THE CRACK. WHEN YOU’RE HERE. >> OH, YES. WHAT? WHAT? THE FIGHT WILL BE ON IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE CRACK, THOUGH, WILL IT? OH, WAIT. NO. TIMES ARE GETTING. >> UP. >> OH, NO. YES IT IS. >> NO, IT’S AT LIKE 8:00 P.M., ISN’T IT? >> YEAH. PRELIMS. EVERYTHING. IT’S A GOOD CARD. TOP TO BOTTOM. SAVANNAH MARSHALL CHANTELLE CAMERON. >> THERE’S PLANS. THERE’S. >> PETER LUGER’S. >> HEY, ARIEL. I WAS GOING TO RUN THROUGH ALL THE REASONS WHY KENDRICK IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN DRAKE. BUT I REALIZE I’LL NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND NO MATTER HOW BAD YOUR OPINION IS. SO INSTEAD, I’LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION TO YOU AND THE CREW WHAT MOMENT IN UFC HISTORY WOULD YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND RELIVE IN PERSON? I HAVE TWO SILVA, ONE I WAS THERE AND IT WAS INSANE. I REMEMBER SITTING ON PRESS ROW AND THINKING TO. >> MYSELF. >> CHAEL SONNEN IS 5 MINUTES AWAY FROM BECOMING UFC CHAMPION. I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS. I REMEMBER THINKING THAT VIVIDLY, LIKE LOOKING AROUND AND BEING LIKE, WOW, THIS IS CRAZY. AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO APPRECIATE JUST HOW DOMINANT ANDERSON WAS UP UNTIL THAT. >> POINT. >> ANYWAY, HE SAYS THAT OR IS HE ALEX. >> TO. >> THAT’S A GREAT. >> ONE TO. >> DESPITE YOUR TASTE IN MUSIC, I STILL LOVE YOU. THE CREW AND THE UNCROWNED PLATFORM. THANKS FOR THE COUNTLESS LISTENING HOURS. IF I COULD PICK ONE MMA. THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK. I THINK WHEN GSP BEAT MATT. HUGHES UFC 65, SACRAMENTO, THAT WAS A GREAT MOMENT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS. IN FACT, I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT RIGHT OVER THERE. IT’S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS OF. >> ALL TIME. >> IT THAT’S A GOOD ONE, IRISH LAD. HEY, ARIEL AND CREW, CAN YOU PUT THESE OLDER STARS IN ORDER FROM LEAST TO MOST LIKELY TO FIGHT AGAIN IN THE. >> UFC? >> FRANCIS . NATE, GEORGE, CONNOR, JOHN. >> TILL. >> FRANCIS, NATE, GEORGE. CONNOR, JOHN. TILL CAN YOU PUT THESE OLDER STARS IN ORDER FROM LEAST TO MOST LIKELY. OKAY, SO I’LL SAY FRANCIS. IS THE LEAST LIKELY JUST BECAUSE THEY WON’T DO BUSINESS WITH THEM. >> WHAT THE IS THAT? >> YEP. >> I’LL SAY NATE IS NEXT. SO WE’RE GOING FROM LEAST LIKELY TO LIKELIEST RIGHT. SO I’LL GO. FRANCIS. NATE. BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY HAD LIKE BAD BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH TOWARDS THE END . I’LL SAY. I’LL SAY. >> THALES GOT ISSUES RIGHT. LIKE. >> YEAH, BUT. >> THEY DON’T THEY DON’T HATE TILL. SO I’LL GO. I’LL GO TILL NEXT. NO, NO, I’LL GO JOHN. >> NEXT. >> NO NO NO I’LL GO TILL NEXT. >> THEN WE. >> DON’T CARE. >> THEN JOHN, THEN CONNOR, THEN GEORGE. >> GEORGE I THINK EVERYBODY THINKS IS THE MOST LIKELY. RIGHT. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> I WOULDN’T PUT CONNOR. >> I’M SURPRISED NATE THAT LOW. >> THE REASON I PUT CONNOR THAT HIGH IS BECAUSE THEY WOULD TAKE HIM. BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY’RE NOT TAKING FRANCIS NO MATTER. >> WHAT. >> I WOULD THINK. >> NO MATTER. >> WHAT. >> UNLESS THERE’S A REGIME CHANGE. >> I. >> DON’T THINK THEY’RE TAKING FRANCIS. SAME WITH. >> NATE. >> MAYBE CONNOR GOES THIRD JUST BECAUSE IT’S SO UNLIKELY. I MEAN, EVEN JUST YESTERDAY, ANOTHER MISSTEP, ANOTHER ISSUE, ANOTHER POTENTIAL SCANDAL. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL THIS. THERE WAS A VIDEO THAT SURFACED OF HIM AT A AT A NIGHTCLUB. HERE IT IS. ACCORDING TO THE SUN AND. WHERE IS HE? >> WHERE IS HE? >> HE’S STANDING UP THERE. THIS GUY TALKING TO. >> HIM. >> DON’T KNOW WHAT. >> OH, THERE HE IS. YES. AND THEN HE HITS TWICE, RIGHT WITH THE LEFT HAND. WHO THE HELL KNOWS? WHERE IS THIS? IS THIS IN. >> IRELAND? >> NO. >> BEAT THE. >> IBIZA FOOTAGE OBTAINED BY THE SUN SHOWS THE EX-UFC STAR. >> NOT REALLY. >> NOT REALLY AN EX. I MEAN, THAT’S A MISTAKE. EX-UFC CHAMPION. I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SAY THE INCIDENT TOOK PLACE IN THE INFAMOUS NIGHTCLUB IN IBIZA. BY THE WAY, WHAT IS THIS CAMERA ANGLE LIKE? WHO’S FILMING THIS? >> JUST SOME FAN. >> JUST SOME FAN. >> FROM WATCHING CONNOR. >> YEAH. THE IRISH FIGHTER IS SEEN TALKING TO A MAN ON THE EXCLUSIVE CLUBS DANCE FLOOR. AFTER THE PAIR CHAT FOR LESS THAN 10 SECONDS. GREGOR STRIKES THE MAN NEXT TO HIS. >> PAL. >> IS THERE MORE. >> TEXT? >> NOT. >> ANYWAY. YEAH, I MEAN NOT. >> GREAT. NOT. >> I HAVEN’T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. THIS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS STRUCK PRESSING CHARGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OR IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT OUT THERE? >> I HAVEN’T SEEN ANYTHING. >> I HAVEN’T SEEN IT YET, BUT YOU’D HAVE TO EXPECT WITH HOW MUCH PUBLICITY THIS HAS GOTTEN AT SOME POINT THAT WILL COME DOWN, YOU KNOW. >> SO ANYWAY, I MEAN, FRANCIS, NATE, I SAY DEFINITELY ON THE BACK. >> END. >> MAYBE. CONNOR. THEN NEXT GEORGE I WOULD PUT CLOSEST JUST BECAUSE THEY DID SORT OF BRING HIM BACK AND THEN DIDN’T GIVE HIM A FIGHT. AND HE SEEMS TO BE IN IN GOOD TERMS. >> DASH MY HOPES FOR A SECOND. THERE’S NO WORLD WHERE ON THE HEELS OF THE EGG THAT THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE ON THEIR FACE WITH THIS JON JONES AND TOM ASPINALL THING IN SEARCH OF ANY RELEVANT ACTUAL HEAVYWEIGHT AND FRANCIS NGANNOU HAVING SEEMINGLY ONE FIGHT LEFT WITH THE PFL , THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, IT’S BEST FOR BUSINESS. >> I MEAN, IT WOULD BE. >> BUT LIKE, LOOK. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DANA WHITE AND VINCE MCMAHON IS VINCE MCMAHON, FOR ALL HIS FAULTS. >> FOR ALL. >> HIS, HE ALWAYS WOULD PUT HIS I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THESE DUDES RIGHT HERE. LIKE THESE DUDES SPURRED HIM. LIKE HE HATED THESE GUYS, BUT HE BROUGHT THEM BACK. >> THERE’S COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE OUTS AND THEN BACK. >> IN WARRIOR LIKE TONS. SO BRET HART. DANA DOESN’T DO THAT. HE’S NOT BUILT THAT WAY, MAN. HE’S NOT BUILT THAT WAY. >> IT’S RIGHT THERE. >> THAT A MEDIA COPY OF RAYMOND’S BOOK YOU GOT THERE. >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. >> MUST BE NICE. >> DID YOU NOT GET ONE? >> NO, I ORDERED MINE PAID. I DIDN’T GO FOR IT. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT THEM THOUGH. RICK. OH A LOT. >> I’LL GO SO FAR AS TO SAY MARK ASKED ME FOR MY ADDRESS AND I DIDN’T GET ONE, SO. YEAH. >> OKAY. WE HAVE TO BRING THIS UP. >> WITH MAGNY IN THE WORLD. >> YEAH, YEAH, I’VE HEARD THIS. >> YOU GUYS DIDN’T. >> GET ONE. NOT MY EXPERIENCE. >> WEIRD. I ACTUALLY FRONT TO BACK TWO DAYS. >> IS THAT TRUE? >> YEAH. OF COURSE. SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE TO READ IT. >> NICE GUY. TOLD 27th, 27th OF JULY. MINE’S COMING. WOW. >> 27th OF JULY. >> A MONTH LATER. >> WAIT, MAYBE. >> 27th OF JUNE. >> JUNE. >> JUNE, JUNE, JUNE. >> IT COMES OUT ON THE 24th. >> WE’D HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH RAYMOND. WE’VE GOT. >> TO. >> GET ACROSS TAKING THAT LONG. >> LET ME JUST QUICKLY. >> EL PERUANO. >> 27 TO JUNE. >> YEAH, THAT’S WHAT I. >> THOUGHT. >> DAMN, THAT WILDER INTERVIEW WAS WORTH THE WAIT. FROM HOW HIGHLY HE VIEWS BEING A FATHER TO THE MENTALITY HE GETS INTO BEFORE A FIGHT. WORTH THE WAIT. THANK YOU TJ, THANK YOU. DEAR ARIEL, I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK YOU AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CREW, YOU SHED A LIGHT ON SO MANY PEOPLE AND FIGHTERS THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE BECOME A FAN OF UNTIL WATCHING THE INTERVIEWS THAT YOU DO. I’VE BECOME FASCINATED, LEARNING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEIR STORIES THAT I FIND MYSELF ROOTING FOR EACH AND EVERY FIGHT SLASH VENTURE THEY HAVE, FROM THE PATENT TALBOT’S TO THE KAYLA HARRISON, TO THE MALCOLM WELL MAKERS, TO THE PAUL HUGHES, TO EVEN THE DAVID FELDMAN’S. YOU JUST DON’T GET THESE STORIES FROM REGULAR PRESS JUNKETS. CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU ALL DO, ESPECIALLY RT AND THE BTB. TWO MY QUESTION IS IF YOU CAN SHED LIGHT ON THIS. I WAS WATCHING A YOUTUBE VIDEO QUOTE FIGHTERS ANGRY AT ARIEL HELWANI FOR 12 MINUTES. WHAT WAS THE DEAL WITH FLOYD MAYWEATHER? I’M GUESSING IN THE LEAD UP TO THE MCGREGOR FIGHT, HE WAS INDEED SOUNDING LIKE A FIGHTER ANGRY AT YOU. AND I JUST WANT CONTEXT ON WHY I KNOW I’M LATE, BUT THANKS. YEAH, THAT VIDEO ALWAYS GETS BROUGHT UP. SOMEONE MADE A COMPILATION VIDEO AS A CRAZY AMOUNT OF VIEWS. THE THE MAYWEATHER ONE ACTUALLY ISN’T THAT BAD. I MEAN, I HAD I WAITED FOR HIM FOR 6 HOURS AT. >> HIS GIRL COLLECTION. >> YEAH, AT HIS CLUB. CASEY AND I, CASEY AND I WAITED. AND SO HE WAS THERE AND HE WAS FIRED UP. AND, I MEAN, WE WERE 48 HOURS REMOVED FROM THE FIGHT, LIKE WE WERE 48 HOURS AWAY, I SHOULD SAY. AND I THINK HE WAS JUST KIND OF FIRED UP. IT WAS FOUR IN THE MORNING. THAT’S HOW SERIOUSLY HE TOOK THAT FIGHT. LIKE OF ALL THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE ANGRY FIGHTERS. I DON’T REALLY PUT HIM IN THAT CATEGORY. HE COULD HAVE TOLD ME TO TAKE A HIKE. >> UNLESS MY MEMORY FAILS ME. WASN’T THERE SOMETHING OF HIM ALSO VIEWING? LIKE PEOPLE WHO COVER MMA PRIMARILY AS LIKE MMA GUY? LIKE YOU’RE THE MMA GUY. >> I THOUGHT I WAS THE ENEMY. YEAH. I WAS LIKE, BRO, I JUST WAITED HERE FOR 6 HOURS IN A ROOM WITH. >> NO WINDOWS. IN THAT INTERVIEW, I THINK HE GOT SQUASHED. IN THAT INTERVIEW. I FEEL. >> IT WAS IT WAS. >> I REMEMBER YOU TEXTED ME FROM THAT ROOM THEY PUT YOU IN AND YOU WERE LIKE, THIS IS THE CRAZIEST. >> PICTURES. >> NO. >> LIKE, NO. LIKE, AS IN, THEY PUT HIM IN A ROOM WITH SECURITY THERE AND EVERYTHING. LIKE, THEY. >> LOCKED US IN. AND YOU KNOW WHAT WAS CRAZY ABOUT IT? THERE WAS ONE MOMENT WHERE I THINK IT WAS ON SNAPCHAT OR INSTAGRAM. CASEY, CAMERAMAN. HE HE LIKE, FILMED. AND THEN HE PUT THE LOCATION AND HE PUT HE PUT THAT ON INSTAGRAM. AND THEN I LOOKED AT HIS STORY AND I WAS LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT WE’RE HERE? TAKE THAT DOWN. AND THAT DID TIP OFF SOME PEOPLE. AND SO A COUPLE OTHER JOURNALISTS CAME, AND THEN WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY. ACTUALLY, THIS IS CRAZY. I DON’T EVEN KNOW IF I SHOULD BE. RAIMONDI ACTUALLY WAS USED AS A DECOY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE. RAYMONDI RAYMONDI WAS WITH US, AND RAYMONDI HAD TO TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM AND TELL THE OTHER JOURNALISTS THAT SHOWED UP, HEY, THIS SUCKS. LET’S GO SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE AND NOT GET THE FLOYD INTERVIEW. >> WOW. >> OH MY GOD, WHAT A. >> I COULD REMINISCE WITH HIM ON. >> YEAH, HE GOT IN THE WORLD. >> YEAH, THERE HE IS. AND HE DID IT. HE DID IT. WHAT? A GUY. >> GAVE UP A NIGHT AT GIRL COLLECTION FOR. >> YEAH. AND THEN IT. >> WAS CASEY. >> SITTING THERE LIKE, WHAT. >> A NAME FOR A PLACE. >> I MEAN, IS IT STILL. >> OPEN, BY THE. >> WAY, GIRL COLLECTION. >> I DON’T. >> I MEAN, WE’RE GOING TO VEGAS. WE CAN FIND. >> OUT. >> WHAT IS THAT, 2017? EIGHT YEARS? I’M AFRAID TO GOOGLE IT RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH. WE’LL JUST GO WHEN WE’RE IN VEGAS. WE’LL STOP BY. >> GIRL COLLECTION VEGAS CLOTHES. >> NAH, BUT IT’S OPEN THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. >> WE’RE HERE WE GO. >> 9:00 P.M. TO FIVE. >> RESEARCH. >> YEAH. >> GREAT QUESTION. NO. >> JUST REMINISCE ABOUT THE OLD. >> COLLECTION. >> TM GOING TO. >> 3.2 STARS ON GOOGLE. >> GUYS, I GOTTA GO IN HERE. >> MATT. MO ASKS QUESTION FOR FRANK. WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING WOULD YOU CHOOSE? A AN ENTIRE DAY AT THE BEACH WITH KAYLA HARRISON B 2 HOURS OF MINIGOLF WITH AMANDA SERRANO OR C A 30 MINUTE LUNCH WITH SHOTZI. >> I’LL DO THE GOLF WITH AMANDA. >> WHAT A WEIRD QUESTION, RIGHT? >> IT’S PRETTY WEIRD. YEAH, BUT WHATEVER. >> LAWN. DON. HEY, ARIEL, SINCE YOUR SON’S BAR MITZVAH JUST PASSED, I WONDERED IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT EXACTLY WILL CHANGE FOR A YOUNG MAN OR YOUR SON SPECIFICALLY. WELL, HE’S A MAN NOW. HE PAYS TAXES. HIS VOICE GETS A LITTLE DEEPER. HE’S GOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY AROUND THE HOUSE. >> OH, YEAH? LIKE WHAT? >> PAY SOME OF THE MORTGAGE. >> HE RUNS IT ALL FROM THE. >> IPAD. I PAY THE. >> BILLS ON ONLINE ON THAT IPAD. >> FOR EXAMPLE. LATER. BEDTIME. RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO BABYSIT. MY WIFE THINKS HE IS. BUT I HAVE MY DOUBTS. >> PROBABLY NEEDS A CELL PHONE TO DO THOSE. >> YEAH. IN CASE. >> OF EMERGENCY. >> HE’S. HE’S DONE A LOT. I’M EXTREMELY PROUD OF HIM. I WAS SO PROUD WHEN HE WAS READING ON SATURDAY. IT WAS A PRETTY LONG. IT WAS LIKE AN HOUR AND CHANGE. I FELT LIKE MY MY HEART WAS GOING. TO PUMP OUT OF MY CHEST. I WAS SO NERVOUS ON HIS BACK, LIKE I WAS LOCKED IN ANYONE WHO WAS SAYING ANYTHING TO ME, I WAS LIKE, NOPE, WE’RE NOT TALKING RIGHT NOW. I WAS TRYING TO MANIFEST. I WAS TRYING TO WILL HIM TO, TO, TO, TO GET OVER THIS HUMP BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN PRACTICING FOR OVER A YEAR. BUT IN THE END, HE GOT IT DONE. IT WAS GREAT. VERY, VERY HAPPY FOR HIM. CONNOR. HEY, LADS. SO MY GIRLFRIEND’S 30th BIRTHDAY IS COMING UP AND IT HAPPENS TO LAND ON JUNE 28. AM I THE IF I ASK HER TO CELEBRATE ON THE FRIDAY SUNDAY AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL DAY? SO I COULD STILL WATCH MY BOY CHARLES RETAIN HIS BELT OR GAIN HIS BELT. AT INTERNATIONAL FIGHT WEEK, I BOUGHT EXTRA PRESENTS TO TRY AND CUSHION THE BLOW. IF I WASN’T IN SCHOOL, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FLOWN TO VEGAS. EVERY YEAR IS A BIDET, BUT EVERY CHANCE AT SEEING MY FAVORITE FIGHTER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. ARIEL. TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT DO BRONX IS TO ME, IT WOULD BE LIKE YOU HAVING TO ATTEND AN ANNIVERSARY DINNER DURING THE SUPER BOWL WITH THE BUFFALO BILLS, PLAYING. LOVE YOU GUYS! PEACE. NOT EXACTLY IF HE’S YOUR FAVORITE FIGHTER, YOU’VE ALREADY SEEN HIM WIN THE BELT. I’VE NEVER SEEN THE. BILLS WIN THE SUPER BOWL. SO YOU’VE BEEN THERE DONE THAT. NOW IF SHE’S A REAL ONE, SHE’LL BE COOL WITH IT. >> YEAH . >> IT’S ONLY 25 MINUTES, MATE. >> WHOA WHOA WHOA. >> WHY YOU SAY THAT? WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? >> 25 MINUTES. BUT IT CIRCLES AROUND THE EVENING. IF SHE’S GONNA BE UPSET, SHE’S GONNA BE UPSET. 12 30 OR YOU DO SOMETHING ALL DAY LEADING UP TO IT, AND THEN. YEAH, THEN YOU JUST TURN. >> IT OFF. >> HE’S ON THE EAST COAST, I DON’T KNOW. WELL, HE SAYS, HEY, LADS, BY THE WAY, IF HE’S. HEY LADS, THAT MEANS THIS FIGHT IS HAPPENING AT FOUR IN THE MORNING. >> THEN GET RUINED. >> SO MANY OF ELAINE’S BIRTHDAYS, UNCOUNTABLE AMOUNTS BECAUSE OF HIM. >> AND THEN NUMBER 2, IF HE’S ON THE EAST COAST, IF HE’S ON THE EAST COAST, THIS FIGHT IS HAPPENING AT 12:30 A.M.. >> WHEN I. >> AM WHEN I AM YOUR HAPPY. >> DAYS TIME. >> NOW, IF YOU’RE ON THE WEST COAST, A LITTLE TRICKY. THIS IS 930. IF YOU’RE IN HAWAII, YOU’RE. >> YEAH. >> YOU’RE . YOU’RE TOTALLY IF YOU’RE IN. >> HAWAII. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT I DO IN THAT SITUATION IS BRING HER OUT. AGC’S ADVICE IS SOLID MEAL EARLY. THEN YOU DO THE RESEARCH BEFOREHAND. YOU KNOW WHAT BAR IS SHOWING THE FIGHT. YOU HAPPEN. THIS PLACE LOOKS GREAT. WHAT? >> OH. OH, MY GOD. >> I DON’T BELIEVE WHAT’S ON THE TV. IT’S MY FAVORITE FIGHT IS FIGHTING TONIGHT. >> WHAT? >> YOU DON’T TELL HER ANY OF THIS, THOUGH? EXACTLY. THIS. YOU DON’T TELL HER ANY OF. >> THIS? >> YEAH. YOUR PLAN. YOU PLAN IT AROUND? NOT TELLING. >> HER. >> THE BEAUTY OF COINCIDENCE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK OUR. I THINK OUR GUEST IS GOING TO HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THIS QUERY. CONNOR. I’M GOING TO I’M GOING TO HOOK YOU UP HERE, NOT CONNOR IN THE BACK. C O N O R. WE’LL WE’LL ASK A REAL LIFE UFC SUPERSTAR THIS QUESTION. LET US SAY HELLO TO THE MAN WHO’LL BE FIGHTING FOR THE UFC BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THE GREAT COREY SANDHAGEN IS HERE. HELLO, COREY. HOW ARE YOU? >> YEAH. WHAT’S UP? ARIEL, HOW ARE YOU? >> WHERE ARE YOU COMING TO US FROM? USUALLY IT’S FROM THE SPOT WITH YOUR YOUR WEDDING THING IN THE BACK. WHERE’S THE. >> SPOT? >> OH, NO. THIS IS MY BACKYARD. IT’S REALLY NICE OUTSIDE, SO. OH. >> MY GOSH. >> GETTING SOME SUN. >> I’M. I’M VERY JEALOUS. IT’S AWFUL OUT HERE IN NEW YORK, SO I’M VERY JEALOUS. I GOT A QUESTION FROM SOMEONE. WE WERE ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS. SO I WANT YOU TO GIVE THIS YOUNG MAN SOME ADVICE, OKAY? >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. HE SAYS MY GIRLFRIEND’S 30th BIRTHDAY IS COMING UP, AND IT HAPPENS TO LAND ON JUNE 28. AM I THE IF I ASK HER TO CELEBRATE ON THE FRIDAY SLASH SUNDAY, AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL DAY, SO I COULD STILL WATCH MY BOY CHARLES OLIVEIRA WIN THE BELT AT INTERNATIONAL FIGHT WEEK, I BOUGHT EXTRA PRESENTS TO TRY AND CUSHION THE BLOW. IF I WASN’T IN SCHOOL, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FLOWN TO VEGAS. AND SO WHAT DO YOU SAY? IT’S YOUR GIRLFRIEND’S BIRTHDAY. YOUR FAVORITE FIGHTERS FIGHTING? IS IT OKAY TO TO CELEBRATE EARLIER OR LIKE A FRIDAY SUNDAY? OR ARE YOU A BAD BOYFRIEND? WILL YOU BE IN THE DOGHOUSE? IF YOU SUGGEST SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> HE’S ALREADY DOING TOO MUCH. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE’S GOOD. HE’S IN THE CLEAR. >> WHAT? >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN, TOO MUCH? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BY GETTING THE EXTRA STUFF? >> EXTRA GIFTS AND STUFF? JUST. HEY, MAN, CAN WE DO IT A COUPLE DAYS EARLIER? >> WOW. >> YOUR WIFE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS? >> YEAH. MY WIFE IS, LIKE, THE MOST LOW MAINTENANCE WOMAN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, THOUGH, SO ? SO, YEAH. YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, THERE YOU HAVE IT, CONNOR. >> I DON’T KNOW, HOPEFULLY SHE’S NOT SUPER HIGH MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THEN I GUESS IT’S NOT OKAY. BUT, YEAH, I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T REALLY THINK HOLIDAYS ARE THAT IMPORTANT, INCLUDING OUR BIRTHDAYS. >> YEAH. NO, THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEM VERY SERIOUSLY, BUT HOPEFULLY HE CAN SHOW HER THIS CLIP IF SHE’S UPSET AND THAT’LL BE OKAY. YOU’RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING FOR THE BELT. IT SEEMS LIKE. BY THE WAY, IS THAT SET IN STONE? LIKE, IS THAT 100%? IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS ON THE BROADCAST AND ALL THAT. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW THESE DAYS. HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD IT’S 100%? >> I HAVEN’T BEEN TOLD THAT IT’S 100%. BUT I MEAN, IT KIND OF TAKES TIME, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW HOW THOSE THINGS GO. THEY KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE BROADCASTING AND STUFF KIND OF TOLD ME A LOT. I HONESTLY WASN’T SUPER EXPECTING A LOT OF THAT STUFF. WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I WAS KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, I GUESS I’LL SEE HOW THIS KIND OF GOES. BUT THEY DEFINITELY WERE DOING THE MOST. SO IT WOULD BE A REALLY BIG , GIANT LETDOWN, AND I WOULD PROBABLY START CRYING IF I WASN’T THE GUY. AFTER ALL OF THAT. >> USUALLY WHEN ROGAN ASKS A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEXT GUY, THAT’S USUALLY A SIGN THAT SOMEONE TOLD HIM IT’S OKAY TO DO IT, AND THAT IS IN FACT GOING TO BE THE NEXT GUY. SO THAT WAS MY SIGN AT LEAST, WHERE I WAS LIKE, OKAY, CORY’S NEXT, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE NEXT. AS YOU WERE WATCHING THAT, WERE YOU HOPING ONE GUY WOULD WIN OVER THE OTHER, LIKE, DID YOU DID YOU SAY, OKAY, IF THIS SCENARIO PLAYS OUT, IT’S BETTER FOR ME? OR DID YOU THINK THAT YOU WERE GETTING IT REGARDLESS? >> NO, I DIDN’T THINK IT MATTERED TOO MUCH. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE FANS REALLY WANTED TO SEE ME AND O’MALLEY FIGHT FOR THE BELT. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF COOL. BUT ROB’S LIKE A HELL OF A COMPETITOR, SO IT’LL BE AWESOME TO TO FACE OFF AGAINST HIM AND, AND YEAH, I DIDN’T REALLY HAVE ANYONE THAT I NECESSARILY WANTED TO WIN. I KIND OF JUST WANTED TO GATHER SOME INTEL ON THE BOTH OF THEM. AND AND YEAH, I THINK I GOT TO DO THAT. >> WERE YOU SURPRISED BY ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT. >> FIGHT? >> YEAH, I KIND OF THOUGHT O’MALLEY WOULD DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER. HE DIDN’T DO SO HOT, YOU KNOW, HE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE NARRATIVE IS THAT HE WAS REALLY OFF, KIND OF IT SEEMED IN A LOT OF AREAS, HE SEEMED HE DEFINITELY SEEMED A LITTLE OFF. SO I KIND OF FEEL FOR THE DUDE, TOO. LIKE, I THINK HE MADE SOME PRETTY BIG CHANGES IN HIS LIFE. AND I HEAR HIM TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIGNS AND ALL THE UNIVERSE. SENDING THEM SIGNS FROM WHEREVER IT’S COMING FROM. AND HE WAS GETTING ALL THE SIGNS AND STUFF, AND I’VE LIKE, BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WAS REALLY LINED UP FOR THINGS TO GO MY WAY AND THEN NOT HAD IT GO THAT WAY. SO I FEEL FOR THE DUDE. BUT YEAH, IT WAS IT WASN’T DEFINITELY THE BEST PERFORMANCE IN THE WORLD, BUT MORALES LOOKS LIKE HE JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. SO, SO GOOD FOR ROB TOO. >> DO YOU THINK SEAN LOOKED BETTER IN THE FIRST FIGHT THAN THE SECOND? >> YEAH , DEFINITELY. I MEAN, THE FIRST FIGHT, IT WASN’T LIKE THE WHOLE VIBE OF THE FIGHT WAS THAT SEAN WASN’T IN CONTROL THAT MUCH EITHER. YOU KNOW, LIKE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS MAYBE ROUND BY ROUND IF YOU WANT TO, LIKE, LOOK AT IT UNDER A MICROSCOPE, IT WAS KIND OF CLOSE. BUT THE, THE VIBE OF THE FIGHT WAS THAT HE WASN’T WINNING THIS FIGHT TO ME. HE DIDN’T LOOK HARDLY IN CONTROL AT ALL. I, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KIND OF ESPECIALLY IN THIS FIGHT, WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, SEAN WILL KNOCK HIM OUT. SEAN HAS A PUNCHER’S CHANCE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT KIND OF THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, MAN, ROB DOESN’T GIVE YOU A TON OF OPPORTUNITIES. LIKE TO STEP IN AND GET HIT LIKE ROB LIKE MOVES BACKWARDS WHEN HE GETS HIT. AND IT’S REALLY HARD TO KNOCK OUT A GUY THAT IS LIKE WHEN YOU HIT HIM, HE’S GOING AWAY FROM THE ENERGY OF THE SHOT THAT YOU’RE THROWING. SO ROB’S DEFINITELY JUST LIKE A TOUGH GUY TO KNOCK OUT FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE IT’S HE’S REALLY HARD TO CATCH, LIKE ON THE INSIDE STEP. AND THAT’S WHEN O’MALLEY HITS PEOPLE THE BEST. SO. SO YEAH, I MEAN, HE WAS KIND OF AFRAID OF THE WRESTLING. YOU COULD TELL. AND AND YEAH, IT WAS IT JUST WASN’T THAT GREAT. YEAH. IT WASN’T THAT GREAT. >> I ASKED SEAN THIS QUESTION ON MONDAY. SOME PEOPLE GAVE ME CRAP FOR IT, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET LIKE A SORT OF WINDOW INTO HIS HIS THOUGHT PROCESS HERE. I ASKED HIM, IF YOU FIGHT MERAB TEN TIMES, HOW DOES IT GO? HOW MANY FIGHTS DO YOU WIN? AND YOU KNOW, HE GAVE ME A SORT OF NONDESCRIPT ANSWER, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID WAS A STUPID QUESTION. BUT I WAS WONDERING, LIKE, MAYBE HE’D SAY LIKE, HEY, I WIN THE NEXT EIGHT, OR I GO FIVE FOR FIVE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT’S WHAT’S THAT RECORD LOOK LIKE? IF YOU FIGHT HIM TEN. >> TIMES? >> I DON’T KNOW, THAT’S KIND OF I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT’S REALLY TRICKY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE HE LOOKED WORSE. I MEAN, THE FIGHT WAS MORE ONE SIDED THE SECOND TIME AROUND. BUT YEAH, I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, LIKE IN OTHER SPORTS. IT’S PRETTY CRAZY. LIKE A TEAM WILL BE UP 3-0 IN LIKE A SEVEN SERIES, SEVEN SERIES OR WHATEVER. HOWEVER, SPORTS WORK AND AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN LIKE SOMETIMES THE TEAM WILL COME ALL THE WAY BACK. SO IT’S HARD TO SAY, BUT YEAH, I DON’T KNOW . YEAH, IT’S A TOUGH. >> MATCHUP FOR HIM. RIGHT. BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THERE HAVE BEEN JUST SOME MATCHUPS THAT ARE TOUGH FOR ONE GUY LIKE BENAVIDEZ. THEY COULD FIGHT TEN TIMES AND DJ WINS EVERY TIME OR CRUZ AND FABER. SO MAYBE THIS IS JUST LIKE A REALLY BAD MATCHUP FOR HIM. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, THINK THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRICKY FIGHT FOR MERAB. YOU VERSUS HIM. YOU PRESENT SOME THINGS THAT HE HASN’T FACED AS OF LATE. I’M JUST WONDERING AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT YOU SAW FROM HIM AND YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THE WAY HE MOVES BACK. AND SO YOU CAN’T REALLY CONNECT PROPERLY. AND THAT ENERGY THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS FASCINATING TO HEAR, IS THAT WHAT IMPRESSES YOU THE MOST ABOUT HIM, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? OBVIOUSLY, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE CARDIO, HIS PACE, WE KNOW ABOUT THE WRESTLING, THE TAKEDOWNS. BUT FROM YOUR ANALYTICAL EYE, WHAT IMPRESSES YOU MOST WHEN YOU’RE WATCHING HIM UP CLOSE? >> WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, DEFINITELY THE CONDITIONING PAYS OFF FOR HIM BIG TIME. HE’S NOT LIKE THE MOST INTIMIDATING GUY TO GO INTO A FIGHT AGAINST IN TERMS OF LIKE GETTING FINISHED OUTSIDE OF OF COURSE, HIM OBVIOUSLY ADDING IN SOME SUBMISSION THREATS, WHICH I’M SURE HE’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO OR WHATEVER. BUT I MEAN, MERAB DESERVES A LOT OF RESPECT TO BE PUT ON HIS NAME BY ALL MEANS. I ALSO THINK TOO, THOUGH, THAT IF YOU FIGHT MERAB IN THE PROPER WAY, YOU CAN LIKE JUST YOU CAN BE AS MUCH OF A TO MERAB AS HE IS TO EVERYONE ELSE. YOU KIND OF JUST GOT TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT THE LAST TWO WINS THAT HE’S HAD HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT MOVE THEIR FEET A TON. AND I JUST KNOW, SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, THAT THAT WILL GET YOU REALLY TIRED. AND IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPENSATING WAY TO STAY AWAY FROM CLINCHING AND WRESTLING A GUY. I THINK THAT THE BEST, LIKE I’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK FOR YEARS NOW, IS MY IDEA HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO BE THE BEST, WELL-ROUNDED GUY IN THE SPORT. AND AND I THINK THAT IT’S DEFINITELY GOING TO PAY OFF YEARS DOWN THE LINE OF ME FACING MERAB, BECAUSE I’M NOT AFRAID TO WRESTLE. YOU GUYS SAW IN THE FIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I GET TAKEN DOWN, I WILL GET UP IMMEDIATELY IF I WANT TO. AND THAT’S JUST A PAIN IN THE TO FIGHT. AND THEN NOT TO MENTION THAT MERAB MAKES A LOT OF WIDE MOVEMENTS WITH HIS HANDS. HE’S PRETTY DIRTY AND LOOKS LIKE FIDGETY AND DIFFICULT TO HIT OR WHATEVER, BUT HE MAKES A LOT OF MISTAKES WITH HIS HANDS AND KNOCKING HIM OUT IS HARD BECAUSE HE MOVES BACKWARDS A LOT. OBVIOUSLY WRESTLING HIM IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, SO I KIND OF PLAN ON JUST OUT, OUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MASTERCLASS IN MERAB. I JUST HAVE TO OUT MMA HIM EVERYWHERE AND NOT BE SCARED TO WRESTLE WITH HIM OR SCARED TO GET TIRED . LIKE THAT’S LIKE 101. IN LEARNING HOW TO FIGHT A WRESTLER IS IF YOU’RE SCARED TO GET TIRED, YOU’RE GOING TO LOSE. AND UMAR DID NOT DO THAT. BUT SEAN, I THINK IS WAS A LITTLE BIT AFRAID TO GET TIRED IN THAT ONE. AND I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF WORKS IN THE INVERSE A LOT OF TIMES, A LOT OF THE TIMES, BECAUSE THEN YOU JUST START MOVING YOUR FEET A LOT MORE, AND THAT ACTUALLY MAKES YOU MORE TIRED IN THE LONG RUN ANYWAY. SO YEAH. SO THERE’S A LOT THERE, MAN. BUT YEAH, I’M EXCITED TO FACE THE CHALLENGE. >> MUCH HAS BEEN MADE OF THE WINNING STREAK. WHO DO YOU THINK HAS FOUGHT HIM THE BEST THE TOUGHEST IN THIS STRETCH? >> I THINK UMAR FOUGHT HIM REALLY TOUGH . ALL THE WELL I DON’T KNOW MAN. IT’S REALLY HARD BECAUSE MERAB IS DEFINITELY HE’S GOT SOME GOOD COACHES. YOU COULD TELL TO LIKE EVERY SINGLE TIME. LIKE THE WAY SOMETHING SOME AREA THAT HE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. HE COMES BACK AND DOES BETTER IN LIKE SEAN DOESN’T GET UP BY TURNING AWAY. HE GETS UP BY TURNING IN. SO I MEAN THIS HIM GETTING FINISHED BY A FRONT HEADLOCK IS NOT LIKE OR SOME FRONT HEADLOCK. CHOKE ISN’T LIKE A SURPRISE. THAT’S JUST SOMETHING THAT HIS TEAM WAS LIKE, HEY, HE’S GOING TO DEFINITELY TRY TO GET UP THIS WAY AGAIN BECAUSE IT’S KIND OF LIKE A JIU JITSU WAY OF GETTING UP. AND I KNOW THAT SEAN TRAINS WITH A LOT OF JIU JITSU GUYS AND NOT AS MANY WRESTLER GUYS. SO YEAH, SO THAT WAS REALLY SMART. ON HIS TEAM’S PART. AND BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT I DEFINITELY PRESENT THE MOST WELL-ROUNDEDNESS AND ALSO JUST LIKE KIND OF I FEEL LIKE CAN LIKE MORPH MY STYLE INTO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER TO BEAT THE BEAT THE GUY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SO, SO YEAH. >> I SAW YOU IN THE BACK TALKING TO HIM WHEN HE WAS DOING SOME OF THE MEDIA. WHAT DID YOU SAY TO HIM? >> I JUST SAID CONGRATS AND THAT I’M HAPPY FOR HIM. I HONESTLY DO GET REALLY HAPPY FOR A LOT OF THESE GUYS WHEN THEY WIN. I MEAN, I LIKE I JUST IT JUST KIND OF MAKES ME IMAGINE HOW MUCH FUN IT LOOKS LIKE. AND IT’S REALLY INSPIRING. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE JUST DO SO WELL BECAUSE I, I JUST WANT TO BE THAT GUY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I WAS IN MAUI ALL WEEK LAST WEEK ON MY HONEYMOON. AND I JUST LIKE, RAN A LOT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, OH, IF MY ROB RUNS, THEN I BETTER RUN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LEARNED FROM ALL OF THESE GUYS TOO. AND AND YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO JUST SHOW THEM LOVE, MAN. I DON’T REALLY CARE TO BE LIKE A, LIKE AN AND A DOUCHE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT’S NOT REALLY MY MY WAY OF DOING STUFF. SO YEAH, I WAS JUST SHOWING HIM LOVE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE, PREVIOUS HISTORY WITH HIM, TRAINED TOGETHER, HANG OUT LIKE ANY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM? >> I SEEN HIM AT SOME STUFF BEFORE, BUT NO, I’VE NEVER WE’VE NOT HAD LIKE AN EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE LIKE GOOD RAPPORT. WE’RE ALWAYS REALLY NICE TO TO EACH OTHER. I CALLED HIM OUT LIKE A FEW YEARS AGO. I THINK , AND JUST HE’S LIKE A GOOD COMPETITOR. YOU CAN KIND OF HE JUST GETS IT, YOU KNOW, HE GETS WHAT WE’RE DOING. AND AS LONG AS WE DON’T CROSS ANY LINES WITH ANYTHING, I THINK THAT WE’RE ALL GOOD. BUT BUT YEAH, ROB’S A MORALES A COOL DUDE. LIKE, I ALWAYS GET ALONG WITH MERAB. >> WHO’S GOT BETTER SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU OR. >> HIM? >> I’M RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS, BUT. >> OH NO WAY. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT FOR A SECOND. YOU HAD THAT GREAT ONE WITH THE. THIS ONE, THIS ONE. I LOVE THIS ONE. THIS WAS GREAT. HOW LONG DOES THIS TAKE TO PUT TOGETHER? >> NOT THAT LONG. ALL I DO, I’M LIKE AN IDEA MACHINE, DUDE. LIKE, PEOPLE HAVE HOBBIES OR WHATEVER. I SPEND MOST OF MY, LIKE, DAYS INSIDE OF MY HEAD JUST THINKING OF, LIKE, REALLY? IT’S IT’S LIKE AN INSIDE JOKE AMONGST ME AND ALL OF THE GUYS ON THE TEAM. I’LL JUST BE LIKE, HEY, GOT A NEW GOOD IDEA. AND THEN AND THEN THEY’LL JUST LOOK AT ME LIKE, I’M STUPID, LIKE ALWAYS. BUT I DO GOT A COUPLE REALLY GOOD ONES COMING UP, SO MAYBE MAYBE THOSE ONES WILL BE FUNNY. >> THE THE VIDEO THAT WE JUST PLAYED IS, IS YOU TALKING TO LIKE A TROLL OR JUST AN ANNOYING FAN WHO’S LIKE, HEY, YOU DON’T DESERVE YOU DON’T DESERVE A TITLE SHOT. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT CAME OUT OF USMAN TRYING KAMARU USMAN TRYING TO TEACH YOU HOW TO TRASH TALK. THIS ONE HERE. THIS IS GREAT, MAN. THIS IS THIS IS ALL. >> YOU. >> YEAH, THAT’S ALL ME. YEAH, I LIKE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE WRITING, SO I KIND OF PUT, LIKE, MY WRITING STUFF TO THE, TO THE, I GUESS IN A WAY THAT IS ACTUALLY HELPFUL INSTEAD OF ME JUST WRITING STORIES FOR MYSELF. BUT, BUT YEAH, THIS THIS WAS A GOOD ONE. THIS ONE. I REALLY LIKED IT. AND ME AND MY CAMERA GUY ARE GETTING BETTER AT UNDERSTANDING WHAT LOOKS GOOD AND WHAT DOESN’T. AND LIKE, HOW DO I LOOK LIKE NOT AN IDIOT WHILE TRYING TO ACT SO. SO YEAH, A LOT OF IT IS TRYING TO GET ME TO NOT LOOK SUPER STUPID. >> DO YOU WANT TO TRY AND ACT LIKE LIKE DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT. I SEE, I’VE SEEN YOU DO SOME STUFF WITH OSCAR WALLACE OF THE MAC LIFE. LIKE. LIKE YOU’VE GOT CHOPS. YOU’VE GOT CHOPS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY TO DO THIS OUTSIDE OF THE THE YOUTUBE. >> SKITS? >> NO, I CAN, I CAN BE I CAN BE LIKE REALLY DRY. YEAH, BUT BUT I CAN’T PLAY LIKE A DUDE. I CAN’T PLAY A CHARACTER LIKE I HAVE NO LIKE ME TRYING TO BE EXCITED ABOUT ANYTHING I REALLY HARD TO WATCH. BUT BUT I CAN BE LIKE A DRY, SARCASTIC PERSON. >> WHAT ABOUT LIKE, IMPROV STUFF? CLASSES LIKE. >> THAT? >> I’D PROBABLY BE GOOD AT THAT. BUT I MEAN, WE’RE, YOU KNOW, WHERE AM I GOING TO DO THAT? >> I DON’T. >> KNOW, YOU LIVE IN COLORADO. I BET THERE’S IMPROV CLASSES THAT YOU. >> COULD TAKE. >> I’M NOT GOING TO GO TO IMPROV. >> WHY NOT? YOU LOVE IT. YOU’RE DOING FREAKING SKITS ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL. WHY WOULDN’T YOU? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY ENJOY. >> IT. >> YEAH, DUDE, I DON’T WANT TO EMBARRASS MYSELF LIKE THAT. THE PROBLEM WITH ME, DUDE, IS LIKE, I HAVE THESE THINGS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY EXPLORE IF I WASN’T WHO I AM AND JUST GOING TO GET ON FOR IT. LIKE, I DON’T WANT TO BE THE RAPPER THAT’S TRYING TO HIT PADS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN LIKE, HAVE LIKE A VIDEO OF ME TRYING TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE MY WHEELHOUSE AND THEN JUST LOOK LIKE REAL DUMB THINKING THAT I LOOK ALL AWESOME. SO I’M GONNA JUST STAY IN MY WHEELHOUSE FOR ALL THAT. >> ARE YOU SAYING, THOUGH, THAT YOU DO WANT TO. >> RAP? >> I THINK I’D BE A PRETTY GOOD RAPPER. >> WOW. >> REALLY? WOW. >> I DIDN’T KNOW THAT. COULD WE GET SOMETHING, LIKE, JUST A FEW BARS ? >> NO, NO. >> HAVE YOU WRITTEN YOUR OWN RAP SONGS OR YOU RAP OTHER PEOPLE’S SONGS? >> ARIEL, I DON’T RAP, DUDE. >> WHAT. >> RAP, BRO? >> I FEEL LIKE YOU. >> HAVE IT. I FEEL I COULD. >> SEE IT. >> YOU’RE LIKE THAT GUY. WHAT IS HE, LITTLE DICKY? YOU KNOW. >> THAT GUY? >> YEAH, I KNOW LITTLE DICKY. >> YOU HAVE HIS. >> VIBE. >> I MAYBE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE DICKY VIBE. I GOT A LITTLE, TOO. SO . >> YEAH. >> I TALK ABOUT IT IN ALL MY SKITS. IF YOU. IF YOU WANT TO CHECK OUT SOME OF MY SKITS. I LOVE TALKING ABOUT HOW TINY MY WIENER. >> MY WEENIE. >> OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS TREMENDOUS. BY THE WAY, DID YOU DID YOU DELAY YOUR HONEYMOON TO GO TO 316? >> YEAH, YEAH. MY WIFE WASN’T TOO PUMPED ABOUT THAT. BUT YEAH, WE HAD TO MOVE EVERYTHING. BUT IT WAS. IT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE ALL OF THE FLIGHTS AND ALL THE HOTELS AND ALL OF. >> THAT STUFF. OH, NO. >> YEAH, I MEAN, I TOLD HER I HAD TO BE THERE. THAT WAS. WE LITERALLY BOOKED EVERYTHING PROBABLY A WEEK BEFORE EVERYTHING GOT ANNOUNCED. AND THEN I WAS LIKE, HEY, WE GOT TO CHANGE THIS. SO. SO YEAH. >> BY THE WAY. >> HERE I AM ASKING YOU ABOUT THE GUY AND HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS GIRLFRIEND’S BIRTHDAY. YOU LITERALLY CHANGED YOUR HONEYMOON TO BE IN ATTENDANCE. SO, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD SAY, ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR WIFE. BUT GREAT CALL, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IF YOU JUST SORT OF SIT THERE, THEY’RE GOING TO ADDRESS YOU. THERE’S GOING TO BE A MOMENT LIKE YOU JUST YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BE THERE. SO I WOULD IMAGINE SHE KIND OF UNDERSTOOD. AFTER GETTING OVER THE ANNOYANCE OF. >> IT ALL. >> YEAH. SHE UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. I MEAN, MAUI WAS GREAT TOO. SHE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME. I’M NOT I REALIZED I’M LIKE A THREE OR FOUR DAY VACATION GUY. ANYTHING PAST THAT, I KIND OF GET I KIND OF GET SICK OF ASKING, SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TODAY LIKE THAT GETS THAT GETS PRETTY OLD TO ASK AFTER A FEW DAYS. BUT BUT YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS PRETTY COOL. I HAD NEVER TAKEN PROBABLY MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR DAYS OFF OF TRAINING, OR BEEN IN THE GYM FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, SO THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING. BUT BUT YEAH, I’M KIND OF EXCITED TO BE BACK AND WORKING OUT AND GETTING BETTER AND GETTING READY FOR THIS BIG FIGHT. >> DID YOU DO ANY MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING THERE OR JUST THE RUNNING? >> I JUST LIFTED AND RAN, SPLASHED AROUND IN THE WAVES A LITTLE BIT. I’M A BIG BODY SURFER GUY, SO, SO YEAH. >> YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEADLINE IS GOING TO BE NOW? CORY SANDHAGEN NOT TAKING TRAINING FOR HIS FIRST TITLE FIGHT SERIOUSLY, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. THAT’S IT. THAT’S THAT’S. >> THE HOOK. >> YEAH, I ACTUALLY I ACTUALLY DON’T READ COMMENTS ANYMORE, WHICH HELPS OUT A LOT. AND THEN I ALSO I ONLY GO ON INSTAGRAM ONCE A DAY AND IT’S MOSTLY JUST TO LIKE REPLY TO MESSAGES AND STUFF. SO I ACTUALLY FOR ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS, I KIND OF QUIT DOING A LOT OF STUFF. IT WAS LIKE SINCE NOVEMBER, I KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT O’MALLEY I GUESS HAD GOING ON, WHERE I JUST KIND OF HAD LIKE A LITTLE ANXIETY AND I WAS LIKE, DUDE, WHAT? WHAT’S GOING ON? I’M LIKE, FINE. SO YEAH, SO I QUIT A BUNCH OF BAD HABITS. I DID. I DIDN’T QUIT MASTURBATING LIKE HIM, BUT BUT BUT YEAH. >> BUT BY THE WAY, SO SO DID YOU JUST DO LIKE., OKAY. 1:00 P.M. I’M GOING TO GO ON AND AND YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK ON FOR THE REST OF THE DAY FOR 24 HOURS. >> PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. UNLESS I, UNLESS I GOT TO LIKE, POST MY OWN THING. BUT THEN I, I KIND OF ASKED MY AGENCY TO DO IT FOR ME. BUT BUT YEAH, IT’S JUST KIND OF LIKE A LOT HEALTHIER. I FEEL LIKE ALSO I CAN BE A LOT MORE MYSELF WHEN I KNOW I’M NOT GOING TO KNOW PEOPLE’S OPINIONS ON HOW I’M BEING. SO THAT’S PRETTY FUN TO DO. YOU KNOW? LIKE, I DON’T REALLY WANT THE INTERNET CORRECTING MY PERSONALITY AT ALL. LIKE THAT’S KIND OF MY RESPONSIBILITY, NOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DON’T REALLY EVEN CARE ABOUT ME. SO. SO YEAH, THAT’S KIND OF IT’S BEEN A LOT, A LOT MORE HELPFUL. I THINK THAT THAT’S WHY THE SKITS ARE GOOD NOW TOO, IS BECAUSE I’M LIKE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO WHAT I THINK IS FUNNY AND NOT JUST, LIKE PANDER TO PEOPLE. SO. SO YEAH. >> I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS IN THE DIVISION. WE JUST FOUND OUT OFFICIALLY THAT JAN’S GOING TO FIGHT MARCUS MCGHEE. WE KNEW THIS FOR A WHILE, BUT IT WAS OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED TODAY. DO YOU THINK MCGHEE CAN WIN THAT FIGHT? >> I THINK HE COULD DO PRETTY WELL. YEAH, THAT ONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING. MCGHEE IS KIND OF A REALLY DEFENSIVELY ORIENTED GUY. HE KIND OF HAS THAT MMA LAB STYLE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF BAUTISTA, O’MALLEY TYPE OF STYLE. A LOT OF SWITCHING STANCES, FEINTS, STRAIGHT PUNCHES, A LOT OF MOVEMENT. SO I MEAN HE’S DEFINITELY GOING TO DO THAT AGAINST JAN WHO’S KIND OF LIKE SITS INTO THE FLOOR AND MARCHES PEOPLE DOWN A LOT. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT HE’S GOING TO BE ON HIS BIKE A LOT. JAN WILL DO A GOOD JOB CHASING HIM. I DON’T REALLY FORESEE A TON OF WRESTLING, BUT I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING, MCGHEE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO GREEN TO FIGHT A GUY LIKE JAN JUST BEING THAT YAN LIKE BUILDS AS THE ROUND GOES. AND IF YOU’RE NOT USED TO THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE KIND OF A DIFFICULT THING TO DEAL WITH. SO, I MEAN, HE HAS A EVERYONE ALWAYS HAS A CHANCE, BUT I THINK IT’S PRETTY EARLY TO FIGHT A GUY AS, AS GOOD AS JAN. >> YOU WERE THERE IN ATTENDANCE. WHAT ABOUT PATCHY MIX? WERE YOU AS BLOWN AWAY AS EVERYONE ELSE BY THAT PERFORMANCE? >> YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT. I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? HE COULD STILL DO REALLY WELL IN THE DIVISION, YOU KNOW? BUT IT’S GOTTA NOT BE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT WAS. I DON’T KNOW REALLY WHAT THAT WAS. HONESTLY, PATCHY’S A HELL OF A FIGHTER. LIKE, HE’S BEATEN SOME REALLY GOOD GUYS IN THE PAST AND STUFF. BUT MAYBE IT WAS THE LIGHTS. I MEAN, THAT’S KIND OF THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY THINK OF. UNLESS HE HAD SOME WEIRD INJURY THAT MADE HIM NOT THROW ANY PUNCHES. BUT YEAH, THAT THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING THING TO ME. BUT ALSO, MAN, LIKE ALL HATS OFF TO BAUTISTA. BAUTISTA DID AN AWESOME JOB FIGHT AND HE KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER TOO. I THINK THAT BAUTISTA KIND OF GOT LIKE GROUPED INTO THAT. PEOPLE OF LIKE, HEY, LET’S ALL HATE THIS GUY, YOU KNOW? AND THAT KIND OF SUCKS FOR HIM. BUT I THOUGHT THAT BAUTISTA LOOKED REALLY GOOD IN THAT FIGHT. AND PATCHI’S FOOTWORK JUST WASN’T AS GOOD AS BAUTISTA IS. AND BAUTISTA JUST DOMINATED THAT AREA. >> IS IT TRUE THAT YOU MADE OVER 2 MILLION ON ONLYFANS. >> WITH MY BALLS? >> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT PART OUT, BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST FINISHED THE. THE QUESTION IS THAT TRUE? >> YES . >> I DON’T. >> BELIEVE YOU. I GOT SOME VOLUPTUOUS BALLS, DUDE. >> SO YOU GOT THE BIG BALLS, BUT THE . >> TEENY WIENER, IT MAKES THE BALLS LOOK BIG. NO, IT’S NOT TRUE. BUT HERE’S HERE’S WHAT I DID. SO I RAN THE IDEA BY MY WIFE. I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE CAN MAYBE CAPITALIZE ON THIS. >> OKAY, OKAY. >> LET’S PUT A PICTURE OF MY BALLS UP THERE BEHIND A PAYWALL OF $200,000, AND IT’LL JUST BE A IPHONE PICTURE OF MY BALLS. >> LEGIT. >> AND AND THEN IF SOMEONE PAYS FOR IT, WE HAVE $200,000 AND THEY JUST GET A PICTURE OF MY BALLS. AND IF NO ONE BUYS IT, THAT’S HILARIOUS. AND SHE WOULDN’T LET ME DO IT. SO I KNOW I’M GONNA STILL TRY TO TALK HER INTO IT, THOUGH. MAYBE I’LL UP THE PRICE OR SOMETHING, BUT THERE’S NO WAY ANYONE’S GONNA PAY OVER $10 FOR A PICTURE OF MY SACK. >> SO WHAT IS THE KIND OF YOU DO HAVE AN ONLYFANS? I THINK YOU’RE SPONSORED BY THEM, RIGHT? >> YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO THEY’RE THEY’RE KIND OF I THINK MAYBE TRYING TO SHIFT OVER A LITTLE BIT THEIR PLATFORM OVER TO LIKE ATHLETES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT’S NOT JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF CHICKS, YOU KNOW. SO YEAH. YEAH, THAT’S KIND OF THEIR PLAY I THINK A LITTLE BIT. SO BUT YEAH, IT’S LIKE A, I MEAN I SELL ALL MY INSTRUCTIONALS AND STUFF ON THERE NOW. IT’S A FUN LITTLE THING. LIKE I GET TO KIND OF TALK TO PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON BECAUSE THERE’S JUST A LOT LESS MESSAGES THAT I GET. SO I KIND OF REPLY TO A DECENT AMOUNT OF THEM. SO, SO YEAH. >> IS IT. >> IS IT LUCRATIVE? >> I SELL A LOT OF INSTRUCTIONALS ON THERE. OKAY. >> I DON’T. >> I DON’T SELL THEM FOR A TON JUST BECAUSE KIND OF THE ONLYFANS SPONSORSHIP KIND OF MAKES UP FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT. FROM WHAT I WAS MAKING FROM BEFORE. BUT, I MEAN, I SAW PEOPLE BUY A LOT OF INSTRUCTIONALS. IF YOU’RE A FIGHTER OUT THERE AND YOU KIND OF WANT TO JUST SET UP LIKE A WAY TO MAKE SOME EXTRA CASH EVERY MONTH, I MEAN, ONLYFANS ARE NOT ONLYFANS. SETTING UP LIKE INSTRUCTIONALS IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. IF YOU’RE COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING LIKE YOUR INFORMATION OUT THERE. >> AND I DO HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE THE WEBSITE CORY SANDHAGEN. COM OUR OWN GUY PURCHASED A HOODIE AND SAID HE GOT IT WITHIN DAYS. I MEAN. MY MOM, YOUR MOM IS KILLING IT. >> YEAH, SHE’S SHE’S ON TOP OF IT. I, I YEAH I. >> STUFF IS BEAUTIFUL. DO YOU DESIGN ALL. THAT. >> NO. I COME UP WITH SOME OF THE IDEAS, BUT PRETTY MUCH I JUST RIP OFF AN IDEA AND THEN JUST SAY, HEY, CAN YOU JUST HAVE THIS SAY, SANDMAN? AND I JUST DO THAT. SO, YEAH. >> IT’S BRILLIANT. SO. AND SHE’S PERSONALLY PACKING IT ALL UP AND SHIPPING IT OFF. >> YEP. SHE, SHE YEAH, SHE DOES ALL OF THAT AND SHE’S ON TOP OF IT. MY MOM’S RETIRED NOW AND SHE SHE LOVES MMA AND SHE I THINK SHE JUST LIKES REALLY BEING INVOLVED. MY MY MOM LIKE KNOWS MORE STUFF ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE SPORT THAN I DO. YEAH. SHE KNOWS WHO’S TALKING ABOUT ME. SHE KNOWS LIKE SHE KNOWS LIKE WHO’S GOOD. LIKE EVERY TIME. SHE’LL ALWAYS BE LIKE, HEY, DON’T FIGHT THIS PERSON BECAUSE THIS PERSON HAS A THEY THEY’RE SAYING THAT THIS PERSON’S REALLY GOOD. LIKE MOM. IT’S NOT REALLY THAT’S NOT REALLY ENCOURAGING, BUT OKAY. >> IF IT WAS UP TO YOU, WHERE DOES THIS FIGHT HAPPEN? AND WHEN? DID HIS PHONE OVERHEAT? >> IT MIGHT HAVE. WE’LL GET HIM BACK. >> HEY, IT’S LOOKING NICE OUT THERE TODAY. YOU KNOW, IT’S BEEN. >> LIKE. . >> IT’S BEEN LIKE SEVEN DAYS OF JUST GLOOMINESS. I SEE THE SUN. I’M IN A SHOT. I’M LIKE, IS IT EVER GOING TO BE SUNNY IN NEW YORK? WILL IT EVER BE SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA? >> GET . >> THAT. >> GET THAT. PAUL WALTER HAUSER WAS ON THAT SHOW ONE TIME. THIS IS A REALLY NICE WEBSITE RIGHT HERE. >> ALWAYS SUNNY. >> ALWAYS SUNNY. >> YEAH. >> WHAT’D YOU GET? YOU GOT A YOU GOT A HOODIE, RIGHT. >> YEAH. CAME CAME IN LIKE TWO DAYS. WAS LIKE 45 BUCKS. GOOD QUALITY. >> ONE OF THE FEW TIMES THAT YOU HAVEN’T WORN THE MERCH WHEN A GUEST HAS BEEN ON THE PROGRAM. >> ALL RIGHT. SO I ACTUALLY REMEMBERED, LIKE, ON THE TRAIN ON THE WAY THERE, BUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WITH THE WEATHER, I KNOW IT’S BEEN GLOOMY, BUT IT HASN’T BEEN COLD. >> YEAH. IT’S LIKE A LITTLE IT’S LIKE HUMID AND KIND OF GROSS. >> AND THE AND THE HOODIES THICK, MAN. IT’S GONNA KEEP ME WARM. OKAY. BUT YEAH, IF YOU, IF WE PULL UP THE, IF WE PULL UP THE MERCH RIGHT HERE. YEAH. THE BOTTOM RIGHT ONE IS THE ONE THAT I. THAT’S THE ONE. YEAH. THE TAN ONE. AND THEN ON THE FRONT IS LIKE THE, THE FACE LOGO. >> I LIKE THOSE ONES AT THE TOP. THEY’RE LIKE NUMBER 2-3 OH LIKE THE, THE NATIONAL PARK ONE. >> YEAH YEAH. SHOUT OUT MAN. HE’S CREATIVE WITH IT. AND I LOVE THAT HE DOES HIS OWN THING. >> THE HAT IS NICE. >> THAT’S NICE. THAT’S THE SANDMAN. GOOD MERCH GOOD MERCH. >> NO I MEAN IT’S GREAT I LOVE I LOVE THAT FIGHTERS DO THIS NOW. AND HE’S YOU KNOW HE’S DOING THE THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL. OBVIOUSLY THE INSTAGRAM SKITS, VERY MUCH LIKE PHIL ROE IN THAT REGARD. HE’S GOT THE THE MERCH, HE’S GOT THE ONLYFANS, THE GUYS EVERYWHERE. HE’S REALLY COME INTO HIS OWN. >> SKITS ARE KILLING IT. I WATCHED THE ENTIRE USMAN ONE. IT WAS GREAT. >> WHO’S WHO’S THE BEST SKIT MAKER IN THE UFC RIGHT NOW? >> I DON’T KNOW HIM VERSUS MOURA MIGHT BE POUND FOR POUND. >> IS PRETTY ENTERTAINING . >> PHIL ROSE IS ALSO GOOD. YEAH. YES. HE ALSO MAKES HIS OWN MUSIC. >> MUSIC, MUSIC VIDEOS. AS RIDICULOUS. >> AS IT IS, MAN. >> YEAH. >> THAT WAS LIKE STRAIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT REMINDED ME OF? WHAT’S THAT MOVIE? THERE WAS A PIXAR MOVIE THAT CAME OUT DURING THE PANDEMIC. THE ANIMATION REMINDED ME OF IT. THE JAZZ PLAYER. >> SOUL. >> SOUL. >> GREAT ONE. >> JUST THE WAY HE WAS MOVING. >> AMAZING . SOUNDTRACK. >> GREAT SOUNDTRACK. ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS. >> NOTHING LIKE A MOVIE AND A SOUNDTRACK. >> YEAH. >> I SEE YOU, TRENT REZNOR. WHO’S THAT? TRENT REZNOR, THE MUSIC FOR SOUL. >> OH, OKAY. OKAY. SURE, SURE, SURE. >> YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA KNOW THAT. THAT IS. >> THAT IS. >> A DEEP PARALLELS. >> JUST LIKE. OH, YEAH. TRENT DID THE MUSIC FOR SOUL. >> YES. TRENT. >> ALEXANDER-ARNOLD COULDN’T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE. >> MOVIE SOUL. NO, BUT IT IS A GOOD MOVIE. AND THERE’S A JOKE ABOUT THE NIXON THERE. AND THE KNICKS LOSE AGAIN. >> YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH, NO. NO LONGER RELEVANT. THAT JOKE. >> NO LONGER RELEVANT. WELL, MAYBE. WELL AGAIN. >> YEAH. >> WE GOT COREY BACK. >> OH WE DO. OKAY I JUST WANTED I HATE LIKE, NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY GOODBYE. OH. YOU’RE BACK. DID YOUR PHONE OVERHEAT? >> YEAH. SORRY, DUDE. I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT WAS A THING. >> YEAH, YEAH, IT’S HAPPENED A FEW TIMES. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I’LL ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION, THEN WE’LL LET YOU GO. IF IT WAS UP TO YOU. WHERE AND WHEN DOES THIS FIGHT. >> HAPPEN? >> DECEMBER IN VEGAS. OR SOONER. REALLY? WHENEVER, I GUESS. BUT THE NEW YORK STATE TAX IS. I WOULD RATHER FIGHT IN VEGAS BIG TIME. >> OKAY, SO THAT’S THE EARLY DECEMBER CARD, THE LAST PAY-PER-VIEW OF THE YEAR. THAT’S STILL SIX MONTHS AWAY. BUT CONSIDERING HE JUST FOUGHT PROBABLY THE MOST. >> YOU KNOW. >> THE MOST LIKELY. >> RIGHT. >> IF IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. >> THIS YEAR. >> YEAH. I MEAN, I’M DEFINITELY OPEN TO SOONER TOO. BUT BUT YEAH MSG NEW YORK IS KIND OF LIKE I FOUGHT THERE BEFORE AND WAS LIKE, HEY, WHERE’S THE REST OF MY CHECK? >> AND THEY’RE. >> LIKE, NO. >> THEY WERE LIKE, NO, WE TAKE TAXES OUT. I WAS LIKE, JEEZ. SO VEGAS WOULD BE NICE. >> AND AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVEN’T FORGOTTEN. I WOULD IMAGINE WAY BACK WHEN THERE WAS A YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPER JOURNALIST WHO PREDICTED THAT CORY SANDHAGEN WOULD BE A UFC CHAMPION. THIS IS IT, COREY. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PROVE ME RIGHT. I’M GOING TO PULL THAT UP FROM 2020. ALL RIGHT. SO PLEASE, AS YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GOT YOU TO THIS POD, DON’T FORGET ABOUT MY PREDICTION FROM BACK IN 2020. >> NO, I DEFINITELY I KNOW YOU’VE BEEN ONE OF MY BIGGEST SUPPORTERS, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BIG TIME. >> THANK YOU COREY. ALL THE BEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATS ON THE HONEYMOON AND FOR HOPEFULLY GETTING THIS FIGHT. THANKS FOR COMING ON. WE APPRECIATE IT AS ALWAYS. >> COOL. RIGHT ON. THANKS A LOT ARIEL I’LL SEE YOU GUYS. >> YES, SIR. THERE HE IS. THE GREAT CORY SANDMAN SANDHAGEN. YES. BACK IN 2020 I DID SAY THIS GUY’S GOING TO BE A UFC CHAMPION AT SOME POINT. DOES IT COME TO FRUITION? DOES IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? >> IS HE. >> IS HE THE FAVORITE GOING INTO. >> THIS FIGHT? PROBABLY NOT. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK. >> I’M GOING TO SAY? I’M GOING TO SAY MOURA. >> LET’S SEE. >> MOURA. >> MERAB -400. LAST TIME I CHECKED. >> AND WHAT’S HE WHAT’S HE PLUS? >> YEAH, PLUS LIKE 325 PLUS 330. >> RANGE. >> IT WILL BE A TOUGH, TOUGH TEST. BUT I DO THINK HE HAS A SHOT. I DO THINK HE HAS A BETTER CHANCE THAN SOME OF THE RECENT GUYS WHO WHO? MERAB HAS OBVIOUSLY FOUGHT 13 IN A ROW FOR HIM. HE IS UNBELIEVABLE. SO I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT FIGHT. THAT’D BE A GOOD WAY TO END THE YEAR IF IT DOES IN FACT HAPPEN IN DECEMBER IN LAS VEGAS. ALL RIGHT, MY FRIENDS, COMING UP IN A BIT. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR.. HE’LL BE RETURNING TO ACTION ON JUNE 28. THAT’S NOT THIS SATURDAY. NEXT SATURDAY, MAYBE THAT YOUNG MAN NEEDS TO TELL HIS GIRLFRIEND ABOUT THAT FIGHT AS WELL, BECAUSE IT’S HAPPENING ON THE SAME NIGHT AS INTERNATIONAL FIGHT WEEK. HE IS GOING TO BE FIGHTING JAKE PAUL. HE’LL JOIN US AT 4:30. AT 3:30, WE’RE GOING TO BE JOINED BY AWARD WINNING ACTOR. YES, GOLDEN GLOBE WINNING ACTOR, EMMY WINNING ACTOR, THE GREAT PAUL WALTER HAUSER, WHO IS IN A LITANY OF FILMS COMING UP. LIKE I SAID, SOME SOME BIG ONES IN THE PAST, BUT ALSO A HUGE, HUGE WRESTLING GUY AND WORKING WITH MLW, MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING THESE DAYS, AND A PRETTY, A PRETTY INTERESTING BACKSTORY. SO I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING HIM IN STUDIO. BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST, WE DO HAVE TO SAY HELLO TO AN OLD FRIEND WHO COMES OUT WITH THIS BOOK ON 24 JUNE. WHAT A JOURNEY IT HAS BEEN FOR HIM TO COME OUT WITH THIS VERY FIRST BOOK, AND IT’S GOING TO GO TO THE VERY TOP OF THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING LIST. IS HE HERE? OH MY GOD, YOU KNOW YOURSELF. YOU KNOW WHO HE IS. AND, WELL, YOU KNOW. >> WHY HE’S HERE. OH, WOW. WOW, WOW. HOW ABOUT THAT? WE GOT IT. WE GOT TO BRING IT IN FOR THE REAL 1-0, LOOK AT THIS. WOW. LOOK AT YOU. YOU’VE COME ALL THIS WAY TO BE A GUEST ON THE PROGRAM. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? IT’S TRUE. YOU BROUGHT THE WIFE HERE AS WELL. I HAVE NO. >> WONDER YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA IS SO GOOD. >> I MEAN, YOU HAVE. >> NOTHING TO DO. >> WITH IT. >> I HAVE. >> NOTHING TO DO WITH MY SOCIAL MEDIA. >> LOOK AT YOU. YOU WEAR A JACKET NOW? A FANCY SHIRT UNDER THE JACKET. NO, I. >> KNOW. >> I DON’T. >> KNOW HOW FANCY. >> IT IS. >> THIS IS A BIG DEAL. >> IT IS. >> YOU BROUGHT YOUR OWN COPY? >> I DID. >> BUT LOOK AT ME. I’M A REAL FAN. LOOK AT THAT. >> YOU GOT. WOW, IT’S DOG. >> EARED. >> THAT’S GOOD. THAT MEANS I’VE GONE THROUGH IT. >> THIS GUY WAS SENDING ME PHOTOS OF HIM, LIKE ON THE BEACH. AT THE POOL? YES. YOU KNOW, COME. >> CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE. DON’T BE AFRAID, MARK, THIS IS GREAT. THIS IS A BIG MOMENT FOR US. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN STUDIO AS A GUEST ON THE PROGRAM? YOU’VE BEEN ON THE BEAT. YOU’VE BEEN A GUEST BEAT REMOTELY. >> BEAT. >> WHAT A WHAT A LEGENDARY SHOW THAT WAS. THAT WAS A LEGENDARY SHOW. YOU BRING THAT BACK OR WHAT? I’M NOT ON THE BEAT ANYMORE. BUT NO. BUT LIKE, LITERALLY. >> WHY YOU WANT. >> IN. >> I DON’T KNOW, WE’LL SEE. WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> WHAT IS LIFE LIKE FOR YOU THESE DAYS? >> WELL, IT’S THE OFF SEASON, SO RIGHT NOW., I DIDN’T EVEN MENTION YOU’RE THE BEAT WRITER. >> IS THAT THE TERM YOU USED? >> YEAH. >> BEAT REPORTER. >> YEAH. WHY NOT? >> FOR THE ATLANTA FALCONS OVER ON A LITTLE OUTFIT CALLED ESPN.COM? >> CORRECT. >> SO ONCE THEY’RE OUT OF THE PLAYOFF RACE, LIKE DECEMBER OR SO, YOU’RE JUST CHILLING UNTIL WHEN JULY. >> WAS THAT WAS THAT A SHOT AT. >> IT WAS MORE OF A SHOT AT CONNOR WHO’S AN ACTUAL FALCONS. >> HE IS HE IS. AND WE SHOULD WE SHOULD PROBABLY TRY OUT LATER CONNOR ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO HAVING AN OFF SEASON IS JUST I CAN’T I CAN’T EVEN EXPLAIN IT. IS IT. I FEEL LIKE I SHOULDN’T EVEN SAY THIS BECAUSE I PROBABLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, BOSSES LISTENING, BUT IT’S JUST IT’S IT’S GREAT. IT’S LIKE I MEAN, IT GIVES YOU TIME TO LIKE, MISS IT. I WISH THERE WAS AN I FEEL LIKE WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT IT TOO. THERE’S NO OFF SEASON IN MMA OR COMBAT SPORTS. IT’S JUST IT’S JUST A NEVER ENDING THING. AND IT’S LIKE, IT’S GREAT, DON’T GET ME WRONG. BUT IT’S LIKE THERE IS SUCH THING AS HAVING TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING. AND I THINK THAT IS THE CASE WHEN IT COMES TO THE UFC. >> SO LIKE IN TERMS OF YOUR WORKLOAD, THIS IS VERY INSIDE BASEBALL. >> BUT IT IS I THINK EVERYONE IS PROBABLY. >> NO, NO, NO, I’M JUST CURIOUS LIKE WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTED TO DO DURING THE OFF SEASON? >> I MEAN THERE ARE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL THINGS DURING THE OFF SEASON THAT YOU NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ON YOUR P’S AND Q’S ABOUT. RIGHT. THERE’S LIKE. THE OWNERS MEETINGS COMBINED DRAFT FREE AGENCY, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE OFFSEASON MACHINATIONS OF WHAT A TEAM IS DOING. IF A COACH GETS FIRED OR GENERAL MANAGER GETS FIRED, YOU KNOW, YOU’RE DOING ALL THAT STUFF. I WAS I WAS KIND OF LUCKY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, BECAUSE THE FALCONS DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. BUT THEY ALSO DIDN’T REALLY THEY DIDN’T FIRE THEIR HEAD COACH OR THEIR GM. SO I WAS PRETTY MUCH OFF BEGINNING IN JANUARY. AND I’M REALIZING THAT NOW SOMEONE’S GOING TO BE LISTENING AND THEY’RE GOING TO BE GIVING ME MUCH MORE WORK. NO NO NO NO NO. >> YOU’VE DONE ENOUGH FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WHEN DID YOU FINISH THIS BOOK? THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS, WERE YOU STILL A COMBAT SPORTS GUY WHILE WRITING THIS? >> OH , YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO I, I FINISHED THE FIRST, LIKE, MANUSCRIPT OF. IT IN LATE 2023. SO I WAS. YEAH. SO WHAT I WAS DOING BASICALLY WAS I WAS . I WAS, YOU KNOW, WEARING BOTH HATS FOR, FOR A LONG TIME. HOW DID YOU PULL THAT OFF DOING THE BOOK. WELL, I MEAN. I A LOT OF GOOD TIME MANAGEMENT, I GUESS, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE SO FOR FIVE WEEKS. RIGHT. IF I WAS IN, IF I WAS IN TOWN FOR A FIGHT WEEK, THE UFC’S FIGHT WEEK IS PRETTY STRUCTURED, RIGHT? SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPEN WINDOW. SO, YOU KNOW, THURSDAY BEFORE THE PRESS CONFERENCE, I WOULD SPEND SEVERAL HOURS WRITING THE BOOK. FRIDAY WAS DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT’S THE EARLY WEIGH INS AND THEN THE CEREMONIAL WEIGH INS. SOMETIMES FRIDAY NIGHT AFTER CEREMONY WEIGH INS, I WOULD WRITE, AND THEN SATURDAY I WOULD GET UP AND, YOU KNOW, WRITE STARTING AT LIKE TEN OR 11:00 A.M. I WOULD WRITE UNTIL WHENEVER I HAD TO BE AT THE FIGHTS. SO I DID THAT EVERY LIKE EVERY FIGHT WEEK. SO FROM, FROM JULY 2023 TO DECEMBER 2023, I WROTE AT LEAST 4,000 WORDS A WEEK FOR THE BOOK. WOW. YEAH YEAH YEAH. >> DID YOU ALWAYS WANT TO WRITE A BOOK? I YOU COMING UP IN THE BUSINESS? >> I ALWAYS WANTED TO WRITE A BOOK, AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY REPORTING CAREER WAS ALREADY MAYBE DONE OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER CHAPTER, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY CAREER, I DID NOT INTEND TO BE WRITING A BOOK NECESSARILY WHILE I WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, A BEAT WRITER COVERING THE UFC AND TRAVELING AS MUCH AS I WAS. BUT IT WAS GREAT EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE. IT WAS IT WAS SO DIFFERENT. BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY SIMILAR BECAUSE I’M STILL, YOU KNOW, WRITING AND REPORTING AND DOING RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING. BUT IT IS JUST I MEAN, IT’S JUST A, IT’S A, IT’S A BEAR OF A PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH. WRITING THIS MANY WORDS LIKE MY FIRST MANUSCRIPT WAS 110,000 WORDS. GEEZ. AND WHEN SOMEONE’S LIKE, USED TO WRITING 4,000 WORD FEATURES, LIKE, AT THE VERY MOST AND YOU GO OVER THAT, THEY’RE GOING TO SCREAM AT YOU. IT’S A LOT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THAT ACROSS. SPEAKING OF THE FEATURES. >> CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG. LIKE YOU JUST WRITE A STORY ON I THINK IT WAS NWO GOING INTO THE HALL OF FAME, RIGHT? >> I DID, YEAH, 2019. >> FOR ESPN.COM. >> RIGHT. >> YOU, YOU, YOU WERE AT MMA FIGHTING FOR MANY YEARS. FIRST THE POST, THEN MMA FIGHTING, THEN YOU ACTUALLY FORGOT. >> YOU FORGOT FOX SPORTS. THAT’S WHERE WE FIRST WORKED TOGETHER. SORT OF. >> OF COURSE, OF COURSE. >> YEAH. >> COINCIDENTALLY, YOU JOINED THE NOSE WORLD ORDER AT ESPN. I DID, AND THEN WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU’D. >> HAVE THAT PHOTO ANYWHERE? >> SOMEWHERE? IT’S IN THE. YEAH, IT’S IN THE ARCHIVES. AND SO YOU’RE JUST WRITING A STORY FOR.COM. >> YEAH. >> ABOUT THE NWO GETTING INDUCTED. YES. AND SOMEONE HITS YOU UP AFTER READING A STORY THAT WASN’T EVEN, LIKE A LONG FEATURE OR ANYTHING. RIGHT. >> SO IT WAS, IT WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE A STRAIGHT UP STORY ABOUT THE NWO WAS GOING TO THE WWE HALL OF FAME. IT WAS LIKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> AND WWE DID HOOK ME UP WITH INTERVIEWS WITH KEVIN NASH AND HULK HOGAN. SO I DID GET YOU KNOW, I DID GET KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FRESH QUOTES, ORIGINAL STUFF FROM THOSE GUYS. AND THEN I WROTE AND IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE A 500 WORD STORY, 600 WORD STORY. I MEAN, YOU WORKED WITH ME AT ESPN FOR, FOR YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU GO OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEY START GOING LIKE, WELL, LET’S, LET’S DIAL THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK I WROTE LIKE 2000. >> WORDS, OKAY. >> JUST BECAUSE IT MEANT SOMETHING TO ME. AND I, I INJECTED A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THE CULTURAL, YOU KNOW, SPIN, YOU KNOW, HOW IT INFLUENCED CULTURE AND ALL THAT STUFF AND WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO WRESTLING. AND THEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, SITTING IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, IN A HOTEL ROOM, IT WAS THE CHARLES OLIVEIRA VERSUS MICHAEL CHANDLER FIGHT WEEK, RIGHT? IT WAS IN MAY 2021, AND I GET AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO SAYS THEY’RE AN EDITOR AT SIMON AND SCHUSTER, AND THEY’RE ASKING ME IF I WANT TO DO AN NWO BOOK BECAUSE THEY SAW THIS ARTICLE AND THOUGHT THAT I MIGHT BE THE GUY. WOW, DO THAT BOOK. AND I SWEAR, ARIEL, I CALLED YOU, BY THE WAY, I THINK MINUTES AFTER THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A SCAM. LIKE, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU GET A COLD EMAIL LIKE THAT? THAT CHANGES YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT IT WAS. THAT’S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED. AND IT WAS NOT A SCAM. I SPOKE TO THE EDITOR THAT DAY AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, WITH SIMILAR PHILOSOPHIES ABOUT WRESTLING, ABOUT THE NWO. AND THEN IT’S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALL MY, MY DUCKS IN ORDER TO TRY TO WRITE A BOOK. >> WHAT’S WILD ABOUT THIS IS, IS THAT THAT ARTICLE WAS NOT, LIKE THE GREATEST PIECE OF WORK THAT YOU’VE EVER PUT OUT. IT WAS JUST SORT OF LIKE A SNOOZER. >> RIGHT? >> YEAH, YEAH, IT COULD IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING VERY LIKE SHORT AND SUCCINCT. YEAH. I WENT A LITTLE BIT OVERBOARD, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING AERIAL WHERE I WROTE IT, AND THEN I MOVED ON TO THE NEXT THING. RIGHT. AND THEN LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO. >> RIGHT. >> AND SO IS IT. IS IT A NO BRAINER? ARE YOU LIKE, YEAH, I’M IN OR. BECAUSE I DON’T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE LIKE, IT’S NOT JUST LIKE, LET’S SIT DOWN AND WRITE ABOUT THE HISTORY. THERE IS SO MUCH REPORTING THAT GOES INTO IT. YEAH, I SPOKE TO OVER 100 PEOPLE AND NOT JUST LIKE, OH, HEY, LET ME TALK TO KEVIN NASH. LIKE YOU’RE FINDING PEOPLE WILL GET INTO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE. LIKE THERE’S, LIKE, DIGGING TRUE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM HAPPENING THAT. SO ARE YOU THINKING. >> LIKE. >> HOLY CRAP, WHAT AM I GETTING MYSELF INTO? OR ARE YOU ALL IN. MANY TIMES? >> OKAY. >> LIKE THIS MORNING? LIKE, I MEAN, MANY TIMES THIS MORNING. >> YOU’RE DONE. >> I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I’M. I’M STILL NOT DONE. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO PROMOTE THE DARN THING NOW. >> BUT THE FUN. >> THING, YOU KNOW, LIKE. >> YEAH, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW ME, I THE FUN PART FOR ME IS THE IS THE REPORTING AND THE WRITING. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, THERE WERE MANY TIMES WHERE I WAS LIKE, CAN I, CAN I, DO I EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO THIS? CAN I DO THIS? YOU KNOW, SHOULD I DO THIS. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS DIFFICULT BECAUSE I HAD TO WRITE A PROPOSAL. SO IT WASN’T JUST LIKE, HERE’S THE EMAIL. YOU WANT TO DO THIS, HERE’S YOUR, YOU KNOW, HERE’S YOUR CONTRACT. IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT. SO I NEEDED TO HIRE AN AGENT. >> WOW. >> AND I NEEDED TO THEN WITH HER HELP, WRITE A PROPOSAL, WHICH I HAD NEVER DONE BEFORE. AND THAT WAS LIKE A 10,000 WORD, YOU KNOW, PLUS WOW DEAL. WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE YOUR PITCH. LIKE, HERE’S WHAT THE BOOK COULD LOOK LIKE. SAMPLE CHAPTER. YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE CHAPTERS WOULD BE. JUST A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STUFF. AND YOU SUBMIT THAT TO THE PUBLISHER, THE AGENT DOES. AND THEN AND THEN THE PUBLISHER WANTS IT, THEN THEY NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, A DEAL. AND THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED. AND THAT BUT THAT JUST DOING THE PROPOSAL ALONE TOOK ME ALMOST A. >> YEAR. >> ALMOST A YEAR. >> SO EVEN THOUGH HE REACHED OUT TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU’RE INTERESTED, YOU STILL HAD TO. >> I HAD TO SHOW THAT I COULD AT. >> LEAST WRITE., WRITE A BOOK, RIGHT? >> BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL WAS KIND OF LIKE. A IT’S NOT THE BOOK, BUT IT IS LIKE, HERE’S WHAT HOW I’M GOING TO WRITE THIS. >> BOOK WHEN. YOU’RE IN THE PROPOSAL SORT OF PERIOD, ARE YOU REACHING OUT TO BECAUSE IF YOU CAN’T SPEAK TO PEOPLE, IF YOU CAN’T GET THE NASHES OR THE HOGAN’S, IT’S KIND OF TOUGH, RIGHT? ARE YOU REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE AS WELL, OR ARE YOU JUST HOPING THAT ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED, YOU’LL GET IN TOUCH WITH THESE GUYS? >> YEAH, YEAH. SO THE FIRST THING THAT I DID WAS I TRIED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ERIC BISCHOFF BECAUSE I FELT LIKE YOU CAN’T REALLY WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE NWO WITHOUT THE PERSON WHO CREATED THE NWO. >> RIGHT? >> AND THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT I THAT I NEEDED TO ASK HIM TO LIKE, VERIFY, BUT ALSO NEW INFORMATION, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO I REACHED OUT TO HIS TEAM AND I SET UP A MEETING WITH HIM. IT WAS THE WEEKEND OF AEW DOUBLE OR NOTHING. IT WAS IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. IT WAS JUST A FEW WEEKS AFTER THE EMAIL CAME. IT WAS. IT WAS MAY 2021. OKAY. I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY THEIR FIRST THEIR FIRST SHOW BACK IN FRONT OF A FULL CROWD AFTER THE PANDEMIC. AND I SAT DOWN WITH ERIC BISCHOFF AT A DAVE AND BUSTERS IN JACKSONVILLE. IT WAS A VERY BRIEF MEETING. I THINK HE ALREADY I THINK I HAD INTERVIEWED HIM FOR STUFF BEFORE, LIKE FOR ESPN AND WHATEVER. SO I WAS NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, A STRANGER COMPLETELY TO HIM. HE KNEW WHO I WAS. SO WE SPOKE FOR LIKE MAYBE LIKE 15 MINUTES. IT WAS NOT A LONG CONVERSATION. IT WAS JUST LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE’S WHO I AM. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. CAN I RELY ON. YOU FOR AN INTERVIEW WHEN THE TIME COMES? AND HE SAID, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WHATEVER YOU NEED. AND HE COMPLETELY LIVED UP TO THAT AND THEN SOME, BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO FLY TO HIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE HE LIVES IN CODY, WYOMING. WOW. HIS HOME. >> YOU WERE AT. >> THE RANCH? YEAH, I WENT TO THE RANCH. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE, BY THE WAY. >> JUST LIKE. >> GOD’S COUNTRY. JUST REALLY INCREDIBLE PLACE. AND, YEAH, I SAT DOWN WITH HIM FOR HOURS AND HOURS, YOU KNOW, MET MET HIS WIFE, LORI, AND VERY GRACIOUS, REALLY INCREDIBLY GRACIOUS. HE GOT NOTHING FROM THIS. I DID NOT PAY HIM. YOU KNOW, YOU DON’T YOU CAN’T REALLY YOU CAN’T PAY FOR RIGHT, RIGHT. FOR BOOKS. SO HE REALLY JUST OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO HELP SPREAD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MESSAGE OF THE NWO AND THAT TIME PERIOD IN WRESTLING THAT WAS REALLY ALL HE GAINED FROM THAT. SO I, I HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT AND GRATITUDE FOR THAT. >> IT’S SUCH A GREAT. >> SUBJECT. >> AND AND IT’S IT’S ONE WHERE THERE’S BEEN LIKE WWE DOCUMENTARIES MADE ABOUT IT. BUT SOMETIMES WITH THESE AND ESPECIALLY THESE PARTICULAR CHARACTERS, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT’S A WORKER, WHAT’S A SHOOT. AND SO TO ME. LIKE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE STUFF ABOUT AND I’M NOT GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH HERE BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO READ IT. BUT THE STUFF ABOUT LIKE THE, THE LIKE 11th HOUR DECISION OF OF PUTTING HOGAN IN AND NOT. >> LIKE. >> YEAH. >> THAT’S THE TYPE OF THING WHERE YOU WATCH IT AND YOU’RE. >> LIKE. >> NAH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT TRUE, BUT IT IS TRUE. THAT WAS TRUE. >> IT WAS TRUE. IT WAS TRUE TO AN EXTENT, CERTAINLY. >> LIKE. THEY HAD. >> IT COULD HAVE BEEN STING. >> IT ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE BEEN STING. THAT’S CRAZY. TOLD ME THAT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT HOGAN WAS ABSOLUTELY IN UNTIL HE ARRIVED AT THE ARENA THAT DAY AT OCEAN CENTER. >> AND YOU AND BY THE WAY, YOU NEVER FELT LIKE THESE GUYS WERE WORKING. >> YOU WELL., BECAUSE. >> THAT’S. >> A CRAZY THOUGHT, RIGHT? THIS IS THE IT’S THE WRESTLING BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO EVERYONE IS TRYING TO WORK EACH OTHER, BUT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO TALK TO AS MANY PEOPLE THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND VERIFY EVERYTHING AND CORROBORATE EVERYTHING. AND THAT’S WHAT I TRIED TO DO. SO I THOUGHT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KEVIN SULLIVAN AND YOU KNOW, ERIC BISCHOFF. >> WRITING LIKE. >> A. >> BOOK ABOUT BASKETBALL, WHERE IT’S LIKE SOMEONE TELLS YOU A STORY. YOU MAY VERIFY IT WITH ONE PERSON. YOU’RE GOOD HERE. GUYS ARE LIKE THE REVISIONIST HISTORY IS INSANE, RIGHT? >> I INTERVIEWED HOGAN’S LAWYER, HENRY HOLMES. I INTERVIEWED HIS AGENT, PETER YOUNG. YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT I AT LEAST HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BOOK, EITHER DENYING OR WHATEVER. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS. YOU HAVE TO EITHER CORROBORATE WHAT THE PERSON IS TELLING YOU OR SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON ACTUALLY SAID IT HAPPENED THIS WAY. SO, YEAH, AS FAR AS FAR AS I BELIEVE FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD BY SEVERAL PEOPLE, HE REALLY DID NOT KNOW THAT HE WOULD TURN UNTIL HE GOT TO THE BUILDING. AND THAT’S WHEN BISCHOFF KNEW. AND HALL AND NASH SAY THAT THEY DIDN’T KNOW UNTIL HE CAME OUT OF THE CURTAIN. I’M NOT SURE IF THAT’S 100% TRUE. IT’S POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE EVERYONE WAS KEPT IN THE DARK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE ONE OF ERIC BISCHOFF’S GREATEST FEARS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WAS TELLING THE WRONG PERSON AND HAVING IT GET BACK TO THE MEDIA AND HAVING IT END UP IN THE WRESTLING OBSERVER OR THE TORCH. YOU KNOW, MELTZER GETS HIS HANDS ON IT, AND THEN HIS WHOLE IDEA, RIGHT? THE THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE NWO IS THAT IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL. AND IF IT’S ALREADY IN THE DIRT SHEETS, AS AS THAT’S NOT REALLY A GREAT TERM, BUT THEN YOU LOSE THAT EFFECT. AND HE WAS VERY PROTECTIVE OF THAT. >> SUCH A GREAT I MEAN, JUST LIKE THE THE, THE WHOLE BACKSTORY ON HOW WE GET TO THE POINT OF IT BECOMING A THING AND THEN THE LAUNCH, I REMEMBER TALKING TO. YOU THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF WRITING THE BOOK AND YOU’RE LIKE, YEAH, I’M WATCHING A, A MAY 1998 EPISODE. YOU WATCHED EVERY SINGLE ONE ALL OVER AGAIN. >> YEP. >> NITRO AND THUNDER? >> YEP. >> WHAT ABOUT WORLDWIDE? DID YOU WATCH THAT? >> NO. >> SATURDAY NIGHT. >> SOME OF THEM. YEAH. SOME OF THE NWO ONES. YEAH. IT WAS OVER 500 HOURS. 500 WCW. >> SO WHERE’D YOU GET ALL THE. >> FOOTAGE? PEACOCK. OH, IT’S. >> ALL ON PEACOCK. YEAH. CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER IT WAS THEN. I’M NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE NOW. >> YEAH. >> IT IS IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. YEAH. >> WOW. >> I DO MISS THE OLD WWE NETWORK, IF I’M BEING HONEST, BECAUSE. >> SO MUCH. >> BETTER THE WAY THAT IT WAS CURATED WAS A LOT MORE USER FRIENDLY. BUT PEACOCK DID THE JOB AND, YOU KNOW. >> YOU SAT THERE BEGINNING TO. >> END. >> STARTING IN 96, LIKE LIKE AN EPISODE OR TWO BEFORE SCOTT HALL SHOWED UP. >> YEAH. >> AND THEN I THINK I ENDED LIKE IN MID 99. >> YEAH. WELL, LIKE. >> IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT’S THE LAST DAY OF THE NWO? LIKE WHEN DOES IT. >> DIE? >> THE THING ABOUT THE NWO AND. >> I’M TALKING WCW ERA. >> NOT OF COURSE NOT. >> YEAH. >> THERE WAS NEVER REALLY LIKE THEY NEVER HAD AN END TO THE STORY, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT WAS A STORY THAT REALLY HAD NO LIKE OFFICIAL END TO ME. THE NWO KIND OF DIED THE NIGHT OF THE FINGERPOKE OF DOOM , AND I KNOW THAT IT CARRIED ON FOR A FEW MONTHS AFTER THAT AS LIKE A NEW GROUP, YOU KNOW, THE THE NWO, WOLFPAC ELITE OR WHATEVER THEY WERE CALLING IT. BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE ESSENCE OF THE NWO STORY LINE ENDED ON THAT. NIGHT BECAUSE IT JUST KIND OF BECAME ANOTHER WRESTLING STORY LINE IN MY OPINION. IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU’RE WATCHING FOR SO LONG AND YEAH, I ENJOYED 1997 WCW IMMENSELY CREATIVE IN 98, KIND OF LIKE EBBED AND FLOWED. SOME OF IT WAS GOOD, SOME OF IT WAS NOT. THEY WERE SAVED A LITTLE BIT BY THE RISE OF GOLDBERG AND THE RODMAN MALONE STUFF. THAT WAS REALLY BIG. AND THEN JAY LENO, ALL THOSE DID REALLY BIG NUMBERS. BUT THE ACTUAL CREATIVE PRODUCT WAS NOT REALLY THAT GREAT. YOU KNOW? AND BY MID 98, SO THEN THE END OF THAT YEAR WAS STARRCADE AND GOLDBERG LOSING THE STREAK BECAUSE OF THE CATTLE PROD. RIGHT. THE TASER. SCOTT HALL, AND THEN A FEW WEEKS LATER, ACTUALLY, NOT EVEN THAT. NOT EVEN A FEW WEEKS LATER, VERY SHORTLY AFTER THE FIRST NITRO OF 99 WAS THE FINGERPOKE OF. DOOM., AND THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, REJOINED THE NWO HOLLYWOOD. THE BLACK AND WHITE AND THE BLACK AND RED, THE WOLFPAC. AND AFTER THAT, IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE A THIS IS NOT REALLY LIKE, COOL ANYMORE. THIS IS JUST LIKE ANOTHER, LIKE ANOTHER KIND OF PHONY WRESTLING STORY LINE. >> WE SPOKE IN. APRIL AFTER CENA TURNED. YES, AND WE WERE COMPARING CENA’S TURN TO HOGAN’S TURN. >> MY MY TAKE DID NOT AGE WELL AT ALL. >> YEAH, I. >> SAID. >> IT. >> I SAID. >> AT THE AGE TERRIBLY. >> I SAID AT THE TIME, THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR. YEAH. AND BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT. YES. I MEAN, NOW ANYONE WHO SAID THIS WAS AS BIG OR BIGGER, HAS IT BEEN A DISASTER? >> IT HASN’T BEEN A DISASTER, BUT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THEY HAD NO FOLLOW THROUGH. OR MAYBE THEY THOUGHT THEY DID, BUT THEY DID NOT END UP FOLLOWING THROUGH BECAUSE THE ROCK HAS NOT APPEARED SINCE THEN. TRAVIS SCOTT HAD THE ONE APPEARANCE AT WRESTLEMANIA, BUT THERE’S NEVER BEEN ANY KIND OF LIKE EXPLANATION LIKE WE THOUGHT WE HAD. LIKE THE NEXT NWO. YEAH, RIGHT. LIKE THE NEXT BIG THING THAT’S GOING TO CROSS OVER INTO POP CULTURE. AND THEY NEVER FOLLOWED UP WITH THE ROCK AND TRAVIS SCOTT. IT JUST BECAME CENA LIKE, TURNING ON THE FANS. AND THE OTHER STUFF WAS FORGOTTEN. SO IT FELT VERY EMPTY. INCREDIBLE ANGLE IN THE MOMENT, IN A VACUUM. BUT SINCE THEN IT HAS DEFINITELY LEFT A LOT TO BE DESIRED. >> OKAY, SO LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF LIKE HIGHLIGHTS IF I CAN. WHEN BOBBY HEENAN SAYS WHOSE SIDE IS HE ON? >> RIGHT? >> WAS THAT A MISTAKE? WAS THAT LIKE A SLIP OF THE TONGUE? >> DID THEY. >> HE DIDN’T. HE DIDN’T KNOW. >> HE DIDN’T KNOW. >> HE DIDN’T KNOW. >> THEY DIDN’T TELL HIM. NO REALLY. >> BECAUSE HAD HE KNOWN HE WOULD HAVE NOT. HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS HE WAS PLAYING THE CHARACTER BOBBY THE BRAIN HEENAN THAT HAD LOATHED HULK HOGAN SINCE THE 80s. SO HULK HOGAN COMES OUT. OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO. HE’S GOING TO CRAP ON HULK HOGAN, BECAUSE THAT’S JUST WHAT BOBBY THE BRAIN HEENAN DID FOR LIKE A DECADE AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? >> I LOVE IT. >> SO HE WAS NOT AWARE AND HE DID GET IN TROUBLE FOR THAT. >> HE DID. >> HE DID. >> WHAT IS IN TROUBLE. >> MEAN HE GOT HE GOT YELLED AT. AT THE VERY LEAST. I’M NOT SURE IF HE GOT I DON’T THINK HE GOT FINED OR SUSPENDED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT HE DID GET YELLED AT BECAUSE. >> HOW’S THAT FAIR? HE DIDN’T. >> KNOW. >> HE DIDN’T KNOW. >> BUT NO ONE. >> TOLD HIM. >> SO THEY WANTED HIM TO REACT ORGANICALLY. >> AGAIN. A LOT OF THINGS WERE KEPT FROM EVEN KEY PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE LOOP BECAUSE OF THAT FEAR THAT IT WAS GOING TO END UP IN THE DIRT. >> SHEETS. >> AND THAT WAS A REAL FEAR. >> ONE THING THAT ALWAYS ANNOYED ME, THE PROMO WAS SO. GREAT IN THE RING WITH ME AND JEAN, AND I LOVED THE FACT THAT THEY DID IT RIGHT THEN AND. >> THERE. >> THE GARBAGE AND ALL THAT. BUT HOGAN AT ONE POINT CALLS IT THE NEW WORLD ORGANIZATION ANNOYS ME AND IT WOULD ALWAYS ANNOY ME. ALSO, I DON’T KNOW WHY IT ALWAYS. >> A TYPE A PERSONALITY THAT YOU YOU CAN’T TAKE. >> HE WOULD ALWAYS. >> GO. >> CAPITAL N, LOWERCASE W CAPITAL O. >> SO THAT’S REAL LIKE THAT. PEOPLE LIKE HATED THAT. >> WHY DO YOU DO IT CONSTANTLY? >> I DON’T KNOW, HE JUST. >> THE LOGOS LOWERCASE N BIG W LOWERCASE O. >> I REMEMBER I INTERVIEWED NEAL PRUITT, WHO IS ONE OF THE WWE PRODUCERS AT THE TIME, AND A GUY THAT WAS VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR LIKE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NWO LIKE HE DID. HE SHOT LIKE THE BLACK AND WHITE PROMOS AND HE WAS LIKE THE HE WAS THE VOICE OF LIKE, THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS PAID FOR BY THE, YOU KNOW. OH, BRILLIANT. YEAH. SO HE TOLD ME THAT EVERY TIME HE SAW HOGAN SPRAY PAINT IT WITH THE CAPITAL N, HE WAS LIKE CRINGING LIKE, THAT’S NOT WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT’S NOT WHAT WE DID. YOU KNOW, WE WE MADE THIS, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY. AND HOGAN JUST. YEAH, HE JUST FORGOT. >> CAN I ASK ABOUT THE LOGO? >> YOU CAN ASK ABOUT THE LOGO. >> YEAH. >> IT’S A GREAT STORY. >> IT IS A GREAT STORY. >> IT REALLY ENCOMPASSES. >> JUST LIKE. >> ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. WHY? IT’S NOT JUST, HEY, I SAT DOWN AND WATCHED 500 HOURS. YOU ACTUALLY TRY TO UNEARTH THINGS ABOUT THIS FACTION, ABOUT THIS STORY THAT NO ONE HAS KNOWN BEFORE. AND SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAYBE ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC LOGOS IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUSINESS? >> SO IN THAT SAME CONVERSATION THAT THAT I JUST MENTIONED WITH NEAL PRUITT, AND THIS WAS SITTING DOWN IN A, IN A GREEK DINER IN, IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, OR AT LEAST ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF ATLANTA, GEORGIA, BACK IN 2023, I GUESS. AND HE TOLD ME YOU SHOULD REALLY TRACK DOWN THE PERSON WHO DID THE LOGO. AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AND HE’S LIKE. AND I WAS LIKE, I HEARD, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HEARD THE STORY THAT IT THAT IT WAS MADE BY DISNEY OR LIKE DISNEY MGM BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE THEY WERE AT THE TIME. RIGHT? THEY WERE BASED OUT OF ORLANDO DURING THE OLYMPICS IN 96. AND HE WAS LIKE, YES, THAT’S TRUE, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER FOUND THE ACTUAL HUMAN BEING WHO WAS ON THE COMPUTER DESIGNING THE LOGO. >> CRAZY, RIGHT? >> SO I WAS LIKE, MAN, HOW DO I DO THIS? SO I THERE WERE THREE PRODUCERS WHO WENT OVER TO DISNEY, MGM STUDIOS RIGHT AFTER BASH AT THE. >> BEACH. >> BECAUSE, AGAIN, VERY FEW PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS. SO THE MARKETING TEAM WAS NOT CLUED IN ON WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE MERCHANDISE TEAM WAS NOT CLUED INTO WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHEN THEY WHEN HOGAN SAID NEW WORLD ORDER THE FIRST TIME, CORRECTLY, THAT’S WHEN THEY FIRST HEARD THOSE WORDS, AND THEY HAD TO THEN TAKE ACTION AFTER THAT. SO THERE WAS NO LIKE, TODAY’S WWE IS SO POLISHED AND SO, YOU WELL PRODUCED THAT THEY HAVE THE MERCHANDISE READY TO, YOU KNOW, OUR TRUTH COMES BACK. THEY HAVE THE WRONG KILLING SHIRTS ALREADY READY. THAT WAS NOT WHAT WWE WAS DOING AT THAT TIME . SO AFTER BASH OF THE BEACH, THERE WERE THREE PRODUCERS WHO WENT OVER TO DISNEY MGM STUDIOS. IT WAS ROB WRIGHT, ANNETTE YAGHER AND CRAIG LEATHERS, WHO WAS LIKE THE MAIN PRODUCER, AND CRAIG LEATHERS HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT HE WANTED THE LOGO TO LOOK LIKE. GENERALLY, HE WAS LIKE GOING TO LIKE WALGREENS AND CVS, AND HE WAS LIKE FLIPPING THROUGH THE MAGAZINE SECTION AND LIKE LOOKING AT SKATER MAGAZINES, HEAVY METAL MAGAZINES, YOU KNOW, GANGSTER RAP MAGAZINES TO TRY TO GET LIKE THAT URBAN, LIKE GRITTY FEEL. THAT’S WHAT HE WANTED. SO HE KIND OF BROUGHT THOSE IDEAS WITH HIM INTO THIS POSTPRODUCTION STUDIO, WHICH WAS CALLED DISNEY IDEAS. IDEAS LIKE ACRONYM. AND THEY WENT OVER THERE AND THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, WE NEED A LOGO TO BE MADE. WHICH, BY THE WAY, IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN ATLANTA IF THEY WERE ABLE TO BE IN THEIR REGULAR OFFICE, BUT THEY WERE NOT. THEY WERE IN ORLANDO BECAUSE OF THE OLYMPICS. THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO PRODUCTION TRUCKS FOR THEM. SO THEY HAD TO DO ALL OF THEIR TAPINGS IN ORLANDO FOR LIKE A MONTH DURING THE OLYMPICS THAT YEAR. SO THEY GO OVER AND THE PERSON AT THE STUDIO IS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO CAN DO A LOGO THAT’S NOT REALLY WHAT THEY DID. THEY WERE LIKE, THEY DESIGNED STUFF LIKE FOR THE THEME PARK, LIKE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING INSIDE THE DISNEY MGM THEME PARK. SO THEY WENT OVER AND IT WAS IT WAS A WOMAN WHO DID THIS LOGO, AND I TALKED TO ROB, RIGHT. AND CRAIG LEATHERS, AND I WAS. >> LIKE. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME LIKE A DESCRIPTION OF THIS PERSON? LIKE, WHAT DID SHE LOOK LIKE? DOES SHE HAVE BLOND HAIR, YOU KNOW, WAS SHE YOUNG? WAS SHE OLD? AND THEY DID, BUT THEY DON’T REMEMBER WHO SHE WAS OR WHAT HER NAME WAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I WAS LIKE, HOW AM I GOING TO FIND A PERSON? FROM 1996, THIS WAS ALMOST 30 YEARS. >> AGO. >> SO I STARTED TRYING TO FIND EVERYTHING I COULD ABOUT DISNEY IDEAS LIKE THAT. POST-PRODUCTION STUDIO THAT WAS A PART OF DISNEY, MGM STUDIOS. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOING RESEARCH LIKE LEXISNEXIS SEARCH. ANYTHING THAT I COULD FIND ABOUT DISNEY IDEAS. AND THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE INSIDE BASEBALL FOR THOSE. >> I LOVE. >> IT, I LOVE. >> IT, I LOVE REPORTING, AND I FOUND AN ARTICLE FROM THE ORLANDO SENTINEL ABOUT DISNEY IDEAS FROM 1995, I THINK. AND IN THE ARTICLE, THERE WAS THE NAME OF THE WOMAN WHO WAS A GENERAL MANAGER AT DISNEY IDEAS. >> WOW. >> SO I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT’S LIKE A CRUMB, RIGHT? WHAT DO I DO? SO I TRY I THEN TRY TO FIND THIS WOMAN’S CONTACT INFORMATION. SO AGAIN, I’M DOING ALL OF MY, YOU KNOW, MY REPORTING. >> THIS IS FUN. >> YOU LIKE THIS. >> YEAH. IT’S FUN, IT’S FUN, IT’S FUN. >> YEAH. >> YEAH I DEFINITELY ENJOY THE CHASE. AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT TRACKING PEOPLE DOWN. SO I, YOU KNOW, I SO I FOUND THIS WOMAN’S PHONE NUMBER AND I GIVE HER A. CALL AND I WAS LIKE, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE A WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? WHY ARE YOU CALLING ME? THIS WAS 30 YEARS AGO. SHE WAS SHE WAS NICE. IT WASN’T LIKE THAT. BUT IT WAS LIKE. IT WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME ABOUT THIS NOW? AND I WAS LIKE, WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE, WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING LOGOS FOR YOU GUYS AT DISNEY? IDEAS LIKE IN 1996? AND SHE WAS LIKE, WELL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS PERSON, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS PERSON. I’M NOT SURE. CALL SOMEONE ELSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, CALL FIND THIS PERSON. SO THEN I FOUND SOMEBODY. >> ELSE. >> LIKE A MAN WHO WORKED. >> THERE. >> AND HE WAS LIKE, IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF TWO. >> PEOPLE. >> AND. AND THEN. >> BY THE WAY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY DAYS WEEKS ARE GOING BY? >> YEAH, I MEAN, WEEKS, YOU KNOW, WEEKS, WEEKS ARE GOING BY. AND I’M TRYING TO FIND THIS BECAUSE I’M ALSO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REAL JOB. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. AND AND THEN I’M STILL I’M STILL TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, DIAL IT DOWN TO WHO THIS PERSON WAS. AND THEN SOMEONE, THE GUY TOLD ME THAT IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF TWO WOMEN. >> RIGHT. >> AND HE GAVE ME THEIR. >> NAMES. >> SO I COULD NOT FIND ONE OF THEM. BUT I FOUND THE. >> OTHER. >> AND THAT WOMAN TOLD ME IT WASN’T HER. SO I REACHED HER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT HER. SO THEN SOMEONE AND THIS IS KIND OF ACTUALLY SO CRAZY. SOMEONE POSTED THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS PERSON ON A FACEBOOK GROUP, AND IT WAS LIKE A 1990s POST-PRODUCTION FACEBOOK GROUP. BUT PEOPLE IN ORLANDO, LIKE THE MOST SPECIFIC FACEBOOK. >> GROUP. >> YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE SOMEONE POSTED IN THERE LIKE, HEY, THIS PERSON IS TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER DID THIS LOGO. >> YOU DIDN’T ASK THEM TO DO THIS? >> NO. SOMEONE ELSE. >> THEY WERE JUST TRYING. >> TO BE HELPFUL. SOMEONE ELSE DID IT. AND AND ERIC BISCHOFF ACTUALLY SAW LIKE SOMEONE SENT HIM THE FACEBOOK GROUP. >> OH MY. >> GOD, TO ASK HIM, LIKE, WHO? DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS PERSON WAS? AND HE DIDN’T. AND I REMEMBER TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT THIS AND HE WAS LIKE, YOU’RE NEVER YOU’RE NOT GOING TO FIND HER. AND THE SAME THING. AND CRAIG LATER TOLD ME THE SAME THING, YOU’RE JUST NOT GOING TO YOU’RE NOT GOING TO FIND THIS PERSON LIKE IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. SO IN THIS FACEBOOK GROUP, PEOPLE WERE, WERE, WERE COMMENTING ON THE POST, BUT SAYING LIKE, IT WASN’T ME. AND THEN THE WOMAN WHO I REACHED OUT TO WHO SAID IT WASN’T HER SAID, NO, IT WASN’T ME. IT COULD HAVE BEEN. AND THEN SHE TAGGED ANOTHER WOMAN AND THIS OTHER WOMAN, HER NAME WAS JENNIE. AND THE NAME THAT I WAS GIVEN WAS HER MAIDEN NAME. SHE WAS NO LONGER GOING BY THAT NAME. NOW SHE GOES BY JENNY HINES. NOW IT WAS JENNY SLOANE WHEN SHE MADE THE LOGO. SO I WAS SEARCHING FOR SOMEONE NAMED JENNY SLOANE AND FAILING BECAUSE THAT WAS NO LONGER HER NAME. WELL, I FOUND JENNY HINES, AND SHE’S A REAL ESTATE AGENT IN WINTER PARK, FLORIDA, AND I GOT HER NUMBER AND I TEXTED. >> HER, OH. MY GOSH. >> AND I SAID, HI, SORRY FOR THIS RANDOM TEXT. I’M WRITING A BOOK ABOUT PRO WRESTLING IN THE 90s, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THIS LOGO MEANS ANYTHING TO YOU. AND I TEXTED HER LIKE A JPEG OF THE LOGO. >> THIS GIVES ME CHILLS, BY THE WAY. >> YEAH, ME TOO ACTUALLY. AND THEN 30 MINUTES LATER, I HEAR MY PHONE AND I LOOK DOWN ON MY PHONE AND IT’S JENNY HINES, AND SHE SAYS, YES, I DESIGNED. >> IT. >> AND THAT WAS. >> LIKE. >> I FOUND HER, I GOT HER, AND THEN I INTERVIEWED HER, YOU KNOW, FOR LIKE AN HOUR. AND THAT WAS AS FAR AS, LIKE, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. I WAS PRETTY PROUD OF THAT. RIGHT. >> BECAUSE WHAT’S THAT FEELING LIKE? >> IT WAS GREAT BECAUSE HONESTLY, IT WAS A SHOT IN THE DARK THAT I WOULD FIND THIS PERSON. LIKE I VERY LIKELY WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE FAILED. BUT SOMEHOW I DID. >> SHE KNOW. >> WHAT IT HAD BECOME? WAS SHE AWARE? >> NO, NOT TO THE EXTENT. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT SHE ASKED ME EVEN BEFORE I STARTED THE INTERVIEW, SHE WAS LIKE, HOW MANY T-SHIRTS DID THEY SELL? >> YEAH. >> AND I WAS. >> LIKE, I. >> MEAN, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. YEAH. NO ONE KNOWS THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT CERTAINLY THEY SOLD MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF OF THOSE T SHIRTS. AND SHE NEVER SAW A DIME OF THAT. >> A DIME SHE WAS JUST DOING SOMETHING. >> JUST TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, HER REGULAR JOB. IT WAS JUST ANOTHER DAY FOR HER. IT WAS JUST A TUESDAY, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS JUST THERE. >> TO KEEP. >> UP WITH IT. >> SHE DIDN’T, LIKE, SAY, LIKE, THIS IS THE THING THAT I. >> KNOW. >> WOW, THAT’S. >> SO CRAZY. AND THEN SHE SAID THAT SHE SAW THE SHIRT AND LIKE, SHE WAS OBVIOUSLY JUST NOT IN A WORLD WHERE SHE WAS SEEING A LOT OF WRESTLING SHIRTS, WHICH WAS KIND OF CRAZY BECAUSE BACK IN THE 90s, I SAW IT EVERYWHERE. >> YEAH. YOU KNOW. >> BUT SHE SAID THAT IN LIKE IN 2019, SHE WAS AT THE WALDORF ASTORIA AND SHE SAW SOMEONE WITH AN NWO. >> SHIRT. >> AND IT ENDED UP BEING HULK HOGAN’S SON, NICK HOGAN. YEAH. ISN’T THAT RANDOM? >> SHE WENT UP. >> TO THEM. >> SHE DID, SHE DID, SHE DID. AND SHE DIDN’T KNOW LIKE BECAUSE SHE’S BEEN IN REAL ESTATE NOW FOR LIKE DECADES. AND HER SON NEVER KNEW THIS IS WHAT SHE DID. BUT SHE SAID HER SON ACTUALLY WAS AWARE OF THE LOGO, DIDN’T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT HAD SEEN IT BEFORE. AND IT WAS IT. IT RESONATED WITH HIM AND SHE GOT TO TELL HER SON LIKE I ACTUALLY DESIGNED THAT LOGO FROM LIKE A PAST LIFE OF MINE. AND THEN I TOLD HER THAT, YOU KNOW, KEVIN DURANT WAS WEARING THE LOGO AND, YOU KNOW, AZIZ ANSARI ON ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, KENDALL JENNER, YOU KNOW, AND SHE FELT PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT TELLING HER SON THAT, LIKE, I DID SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAME PART OF POP. >> CULTURE. >> WHO CAME UP WITH NEW WORLD ORDER, LIKE THE ACTUAL NAME. >> SO IT’S CRAZY BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THE FIRST PERSON WHO SAID NEW WORLD ORDER WAS ACTUALLY NOT HULK HOGAN AT BASH AT THE BEACH, IT WAS LARRY ZBYSZKO, THE COLOR COMMENTATOR ON THE GO HOME SHOW. THE BASH OF THE BEACH. SO ON NITRO, HE WAS THEY WERE DOING A STAND UP. HIM AND TONY SCHIAVONE, AND HE REFERRED TO IT AS A NEW WORLD ORDER. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT ANYONE HAD EVER. >> DID THEY NOT HAVE THE NAME ALREADY? >> THEY DIDN’T. >> SO IT’S BECAUSE OF THAT. SOMEONE HEARD THAT? >> YES. SO BISCHOFF SAYS THAT THAT THAT DAY AT OCEAN CENTER, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE EVENT STARTED, HE SAT DOWN WITH HOGAN PRIVATELY IN A ROOM AND EXPLAINED TO HIM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE WANTED HIM TO SAY. AND THE WHOLE STORY LINE, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND, AND BISCHOFF SAID, AND I WANT YOU TO CALL THE NEW WORLD. ORDER. AND BISCHOFF THOUGHT THAT HE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA SPUR OF THE MOMENT. BUT REALLY NOW HE NOW HE HAS GONE BACK AND SAID, LIKE, ACTUALLY IT WAS LARRY ZBYSZKO WHO CAME UP WITH THAT NAME AND I JUST PROBABLY HEARD IT ON THE SHOW THAT NIGHT, AND IT WAS IN MY IT WAS IN MY THOUGHTS. BUT YEAH, BUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING THERE AGAIN, LIKE IT WAS SO FLY BY THE SEAT OF YOUR PANTS, IT WAS THERE WAS SO LITTLE PREPARATION AND IT WAS REALLY JUST KIND OF LIKE A CONVERGENCE THAT ENDED UP BEING MAGICAL. IT WAS NOT OVERPRODUCED AT ALL. >> WHAT WAS THE APEX LIKE? WHAT WAS THE HIGH MARK? WHEN WERE THEY THEIR HOTTEST? WHEN DID IT LIKE PERFECTLY SORT OF ALL COME TOGETHER FOR THEM? >> I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS GOING PERFECTLY GOING INTO STARRCADE 97, HOGAN VERSUS. >> SINCE DECEMBER. >> DECEMBER 97, STARRCADE. >> SO THAT’S A YEAR AND A HALF LATER. >> YEAH. >> AND IT’S AND IT’S STILL GOING STRONG. >> HOT. NOT QUITE. FUNNY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. >> ARIEL IS I DON’T THINK THIS MADE THE BOOK, BUT I TALKED TO DAVE MELTZER OF COURSE, FOR THE BOOK, AND HE SAID HE SAW ERIC BISCHOFF IN LIKE MAY 20, MAY 96, LIKE RIGHT AFTER HALL AND NASH DEBUTED AND HE SAW HIM AT LIKE A BIG WRESTLING SHOW IN L.A., AND HE TOLD BISCHOFF, LIKE, CONGRATS, THIS IS THIS IS A REALLY THIS IS AN AMAZING ANGLE, AMAZING STORY LINE YOU GUYS HAVE GOING. AND BISCHOFF TOLD MELTZER, LIKE, YEAH, I THINK I CAN PROBABLY KEEP THIS GOING UNTIL STARRCADE 96-0 MY. >> GOD. >> JUST FOR A FEW MONTHS. AND MELTZER’S. >> LIKE. >> NO, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO STARRCADE 97. YOU KNOW, THAT’S HOW YOU KNOW, GOOD. HE FELT ABOUT JUST KIND OF LIKE THE BARE BONES, LIKE THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THE NWO WAS GOING TO BECOME. BUT WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? >> SORRY ABOUT THE APEX. >> YOU SAID SO. >> YOU SAID STARRCADE 97. SO A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, HOGAN STINK OF STING WAS LIKE, AT THIS POINT HE WAS THE CRO, RIGHT? >> YES. >> NEVER SAID A WORD. >> HE DIDN’T SAY A WORD FOR LIKE 18 MONTHS OR LIKE 16 MONTHS WHERE HE DIDN’T SAY A WORD, WHICH WAS, BY THE WAY, REALLY BALLSY BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING UP AGAINST RAW EVERY WEEK. YEAH. AND STING IS ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST STARS, AND YOU’RE PRETTY MUCH TOOK HIM OFF THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DID WITH HIM ENDED UP BEING GREAT. BUT LIKE THESE ARE BIG MATCHES THAT YOU’RE MISSING OUT ON. THAT STING COULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR RATINGS AND PAY-PER-VIEW BUYS AND WHATEVER. SO IT WAS RISKY TO KEEP STAYING AWAY FROM THAT, BUT IT ENDED UP BEING MAGIC UNTIL THE ACTUAL MATCH HAPPENED. AND THEN IT WAS. THEN IT WAS A DISASTER. BUT THAT 97 WCW, I THOUGHT WAS JUST FANTASTIC. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT AND STING WAS BUILT UP, YOU KNOW, AS THIS AVENGING ANGEL. AND HE AND YOU KNOW, HE’S FINALLY GOING TO GIVE HOLLYWOOD HOGAN HIS COMEUPPANCE AFTER MORE THAN A YEAR OF HOGAN LIKE, TERRORIZING WCW AND ALL THAT AND THE NWO. AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT, LIKE END POINT FOR THE STORY LINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE STILL MAKING SO MUCH MONEY AND THEIR BUSINESS SUCCESS, AND I AND I WANT TO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. I’M TALKING ABOUT THE CREATIVE APEX, THEIR BUSINESS SUCCESS CONTINUED WELL INTO 1998, AND THEY WERE DOING REALLY, REALLY GREAT. THE ROBIN MALONE PAY-PER-VIEW WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PAY PER VIEWS IN WWE HISTORY. JEEZ. SO THEY WERE STILL DOING GREAT FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, BUT IN AND THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED FROM DAVE MELTZER, A LOT OF TIMES THE BUSINESS LAGS BEHIND THE CREATIVE. SO BUSINESS CAN STILL BE HOT, BUT THE CREATIVE MIGHT NOT BE WHERE IT WAS AT THE PEAK, BUT YOU DO THEN SEE DIMINISHING RETURNS AS TIME GOES BY. SO BY 98, WWE CREATIVE WAS NOT VERY. >> GOOD. >> BUT BUSINESS WAS STILL GOOD. IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT WHILE LONGER FOR THE BUSINESS TO CATCH UP WITH THE CREATIVE. >> THERE’S THERE’S AN EXCERPT ABOUT THE WHOLE RODMAN MALONE THING UP RIGHT NOW ON ON ESPN.COM. AND I REMEMBER I WAS A WRESTLING FAN AND I’M A HUGE BASKETBALL FAN. THERE IT IS RIGHT OVER HERE. WE COMPROMISED THE NBA FINALS. HOW WCW CAPITALIZED ON RODMAN MALONE HOOPS RIVALRY. AND I REMEMBER COSTAS TALKING ABOUT. >> IT. >> AND HATING ON IT. AND IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE, LIKE, COSTAS DID SOME STUFF BACK IN THE DAY. >> HE WORKED FOR VINCE. >> YES HE DID. HE ALSO DID LIKE A LETTERMAN THING WITH VINCE BACK IN THE DAY WITH THE BABIES AT THE HOSPITAL. BUT THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT IT NOW, NOT A FAN. >> NO. >> I DON’T THINK THERE’S A SORT OF INSINUATION. YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN I THAT. >> LIKE. >> THEY WERE IN CAHOOTS. DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WERE IN CAHOOTS? DID THEY TRY TO HAVE A MELEE? >> YES. >> YOU THINK THEY DID? >> YES. >> YOU KNOW. >> THEY DID. >> THEY DID. THEY SAY. >> TO DENNIS RODMAN’S AGENT TOLD ME THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT DURING DWIGHT MANLEY, HE TOLD ME THAT DURING THAT SEQUENCE WHERE THEY’RE BOWLING EACH OTHER OVER AND THEY’RE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, GETTING SCRAPPY ON THE COURT, I MEAN, THEY WENT DOWN LIKE THREE TIMES IN A ROW. >> YEAH, IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS GREAT. >> HE TOLD ME THAT IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THEIR OTHER GAMES AND THEIR OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONFRONTATIONS DOWN LOW IN THE POST, NONE OF THEM LOOKED LIKE THAT. IT WAS ONLY UNTIL AFTER THE MATCH BECAME A THING THAT THEY DID IT. AND BISCHOFF SAYS THAT HE SPOKE TO BOTH OF THEM BEFORE THAT GAME AND SAID, LOOK, I DON’T WANT YOU TO AFFECT THE GAME AT ALL. BUT DURING A DEAD BALL, YOU KNOW, DURING WHATEVER TIME-OUT, IF YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU DON’T LIKE EACH OTHER, THAT WOULD BE COOL. AND I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DID THAT UNBELIEVABLY DO. >> AND THEN THEIR MATCH HAPPENS A FEW WEEKS AFTER THE BULLS BEAT THE JAZZ. >> YEAH. ISN’T THAT. >> COULD HAVE SCRIPTED IT? >> I MEAN THAT’S JUST CRAZY. >> IT WOULD BE LIKE. >> THE EQUIVALENT WOULD BE LIKE JALEN BRUNSON AND TYRESE HALIBURTON HAVING A MATCH IN A. >> COUPLE WEEKS. >> THAT’S I. >> MEAN. >> CERTAINLY POSSIBLE AT SUMMERSLAM, RIGHT? >> YES. >> BOTH THOSE. >> GUYS ARE HUGE. NO CHANCE. >> IN TODAY’S NBA. >> I MEAN. >> THERE’S SO MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN THOSE GUYS, I DOUBT THEY WOULD LET THEM DO ANYTHING PHYSICAL. I MEAN, GEORGE KITTLE GOT IN TROUBLE A FEW YEARS AGO BY THE 40 NINERS. FOR NOT EVEN DOING A MATCH JUST BY DOING SOMETHING PHYSICAL IN THE RING AT WRESTLEMANIA. SO YEAH, I’M NOT SURE IF. >> RODMAN WAS THE PERFECT GUY FOR THIS. MALONE WAS A SUPERSTAR. HE WAS BIG. HE WAS STRONG. DID THEY HAVE TO GET CLEARANCE FROM THEIR TEAMS TO. >> DO IT ? >> YEAH, I MEAN, RODMAN KIND OF. HE WAS ALREADY DOING STUFF WITH WCW EVEN BEFORE THAT, RIGHT? HE HAD WRESTLED A MATCH A YEAR EARLIER, SO HE WAS KIND OF ALREADY. AND PLUS YOU CAN’T REALLY TELL HIM ANYTHING. HE HE SKIPPED OUT ON PRACTICE DURING THE NBA FINALS BECAUSE HE WAS AT NITRO THE NIGHT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO AND THEN MALONE, HE DID GET CLEARANCE BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE JAZZ ACTUALLY HELPED HIM NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. >> WOW. LARRY MILLER. YEAH. >> REALLY? >> YEAH. WOW. >> HELPED HIM, HELPED HIM, HELPED HIM NEGOTIATE THAT WITH BISCHOFF. AND WHAT WAS FUNNY, I DON’T THINK THIS MADE THE BOOK WAS THAT HE SO DWIGHT MANLEY WAS THERE IN, YOU KNOW, FOR BASH AT THE BEACH WITH RODMAN AND HE SAT DOWN WITH MALONE, LIKE FOR LUNCH THAT DAY. AND MALONE WAS VERY HAPPY THAT HE WAS GETTING I FORGET HOW MUCH HE WAS GOING TO GET. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 900,000 FOR THE ONE APPEARANCE. AND I THINK RODMAN WAS MAKING LIKE 1.5 MILLION. AND MANLEY TOLD MALONE, LIKE, I, ROBIN GOT 1.5 MILLION. AND THEN MALONE HIRED HIM AS HIS AGENT. >> WOW. >> MALONE HIRED MANLEY AS HIS AGENT. >> YEAH. >> FOR NBA STUFF, TOO. >> YEAH, JUST. OH, WOW. >> DID HE GET CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER ? >> NO, BECAUSE HE ONLY HE ALREADY HAD THAT NEGOTIATED. HE ONLY DID THAT ONE MATCH. >> YES. >> YES. BUT BUT MANLEY SAID THAT BOTH OF THEM, MALONE ESPECIALLY WOULD HAVE DONE IT FOR FREE. WE’VE DONE IT FOR FREE. HE LOVED WRESTLING. HE LOVED WRESTLING. AND MANLEY GAVE ME THIS AMAZING ANECDOTE. HE WOULD SIT HOME ON MONDAY NIGHTS WHEN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO GAME, AND HE WOULD EAT LIKE VANILLA WAFER COOKIES WHILE WATCHING NITRO AND RAW LIKE, CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE KARL MALONE, LIKE ONE OF THE ONE OF THE GREATEST BASEBALL PLAYERS OF ALL TIME, JUST, YOU KNOW, IN HIS PAJAMAS WATCHING NITRO, YOU KNOW, STUFFING LIKE VANILLA WAFERS IN HIS MOUTH. IT’S CRAZY. >> THE PROBLEM AS A FAN. AND I WONDER IF YOU. >> IT’S JUST. >> IT GOT TOO CONVOLUTED, TOO MANY PEOPLE, EVEN BISCHOFF TURNING. I DIDN’T. >> LOVE THAT. >> WAS VERY EARLY ON. >> IT WAS EARLY AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MISTAKE. >> THEY NEEDED THEY NEEDED LIKE AN EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THE NWO WAS JUST EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? AND HOW THEY WERE GETTING AWAY WITH CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THEY’RE HAVING MATCHES. >> NOW. >> LIKE, HOW ARE YOU? THEY’RE NOT PART OF THE ORGANIZATION. HOW ARE THEY HAVING MATCHES? THEY NEEDED SOMETHING. >> BUT. >> THEY. >> NEED IT LIKE . >> HOGAN, EXCUSE ME, AUSTIN MCMAHON WORKED SO WELL BECAUSE LIKE, IT’S IT’S IT’S THE ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT. BISCHOFF WAS ESSENTIALLY THE ESTABLISHMENT NOW IN THE ESTABLISHMENT JOINS THE RENEGADE TEAM. WHO ARE THEY FIGHTING AGAINST? THERE WAS NO GUY ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT? >> WELL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG CRITICISMS, RIGHT. BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS KIND OF MADE TO LOOK LIKE GEEKS. >> YES. >> YES, THE NWO UNTIL STING. UNTIL STING DEVELOPED THAT CHARACTER, WHICH SCOTT HALL HELPED HIM WITH, YOU KNOW, DOING THE CROW. THING. HAD NEVER SEEN THE CROW BEFORE. AND THAT WAS SCOTT HALL’S IDEA. HE SHOULD LOOK LIKE LIKE THE CROW, YOU KNOW? BUT YEAH, I MEAN, AND ALSO UNTIL GOLDBERG, BEFORE GOLDBERG, THERE WAS REALLY NO BABYFACE IN WCW THAT FELT LIKE A THREAT AT ALL TO THE NWO. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS A THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY. A A MAJOR REASON WHY THINGS DIDN’T WORK OUT AS WELL AS THEY DID. BUT CERTAINLY THERE WERE THINGS THEY COULD HAVE DONE WHEN THEY SPLIT OFF NWO, WOLFPAC AND HOLLYWOOD . THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A MAJOR LIKE CIVIL WAR FOR THE NWO AND THE WHAT IS LIKE THE MOST LOGICAL CLIMAX MATCH OF. >> THAT. >> KEVIN NASH VERSUS HOLLYWOOD HOGAN NEVER HAPPENED UNTIL THE FINGERPOKE OF DOOM, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS HOT AND IT WAS NEVER A REAL MATCH. MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE A FINISH TO THAT MATCH. AND FOR NON-WRESTLING FANS, THAT MEANS LIKE NEITHER ONE OF THEM WANTED TO REALLY SEED THE IDEA OF LOSING IN THAT TYPE OF MATCH. >> SO. >> SO IT WAS LIKE THE ULTIMATE. THEY BROUGHT THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR BACK IN. IT WAS HOGAN TRYING TO BRING IN PEOPLE WHO HE WAS COMFORTABLE DOING BUSINESS WITH, AND KNOWING THAT HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK STRONG COMING AWAY FROM MATCHES AGAINST THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. >> DID YOU TALK TO SCOTT. >> HALL? >> I DID. >> NOT. >> HE PASSED BEFORE. >> SO REMEMBER I YOU I HAD TO DO THE BOOK PROPOSAL. >> YEAH. >> I SUBMITTED THE PROPOSAL ON LIKE A FRIDAY. AND THEN ON THAT SUNDAY HE PASSED AWAY. >> WOW. YEAH. WOW. >> BECAUSE YOU PAINT I MEAN, YOU JUST MENTIONED THE THE THE STING NUGGET THERE. >> LIKE. >> OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW ABOUT THE DEMONS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE ALSO KNOW ABOUT HOW RESPECTED HE WAS AS A WRESTLER, AS ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREAT WRESTLERS. BUT HE ALSO SEEMED LIKE ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREAT TEAMMATES. RIGHT? LIKE HELPING OTHERS? >> YES. >> LIKE WHAT? HOGAN GETS TO KNOCK FOR NOT BEING A GOOD TEAMMATE. FOR FOR HAVING CREATIVE CONTROL AND NOT WANTING TO PUT PEOPLE OVER. SCOTT WASN’T THAT GUY, RIGHT? >> NO, NOT NASH. >> TWO GETS THAT CRITICISM, BUT I FEEL LIKE SCOTT WAS THE ONE WHERE EVERYONE WAS LIKE, HE GOT IT. HE WAS OKAY MAKING PEOPLE LOOK GOOD. HE WAS OKAY. YOU KNOW, LOSING. , RIGHT? >> MY MY THEORY ABOUT SCOTT HALL IS THAT UNLIKE NASH AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, HOGAN HALL WAS REALLY A HUGE WRESTLING FAN GROWING UP AS A KID. AND I THINK THAT ALSO PLAYED A PART IN HIM WANTING TO KIND OF GIVE BACK TO THE BUSINESS. ALSO, THE WAY THAT HE CAME. UP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT WAS THEN THE TERRITORY SYSTEM, RIGHT? HE WAS AN AWA AND HIS CHARACTER WAS LIKE NOT REALLY WORKING AT THAT LEVEL BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE BIG SCOTT HALL. REMEMBER WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE? HE WAS LIKE HE WAS LIKE HE LOOKED NOTHING LIKE RAZOR RAMON. AND WHAT AND WHAT HIS HOLLOWAY. YEAH, HE HAD LIKE THE TOM SELLECK MUSTACHE AND CURLY HAIR. HE WAS REALLY HE WAS REALLY BUILT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE WAS. AND HE WAS MUCH LEANER WHEN HE BECAME, YOU KNOW, RAZOR RAMON. AND I THINK THAT COMING UP LIKE, AND MAYBE STRUGGLING AT FIRST AND NOT GETTING A BIG PUSH RIGHT AWAY CONTRIBUTED. AND ALSO CURT HENNIG WAS HIS LIKE ONE OF HIS MAIN MENTORS IN AWA AND THAT PLAYED A PART ALSO BECAUSE CURT HENNIG HAD THE IDEA OF YOU GIVE. BACK AND THE KLIQ WAS REALLY JUST LIKE CURT HENNIG’S PROTEGES. PEOPLE DON’T DON’T REALIZE THE EFFECT THAT CURT HENNIG HAD. MR. PERFECT HAD ON THOSE GUYS BECAUSE SCOTT HALL AND SEAN MICHAELS ONLY STARTED HANGING OUT TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THAT CONNECTION TO CURT. >> HENNIG. >> AND THEN SEAN WALTMAN WAS ALSO A GUY FROM MINNESOTA AND THEN AND THEN NASH. WHEN HE CAME OVER, HE JOINED THOSE GUYS UP, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, STARTED THE CLICK RIGHT. AND THE CLICK WAS KIND OF THE NWO BEFORE THE NWO. LIKE THE REAL LIFE NWO, THEY WERE KIND OF DOING THINGS AT THE NWO DID. BUT BEHIND THE SCENES. >> IT’S AMAZING TO THINK BACK TO THAT TIME WHERE THERE WAS A MOMENT WHERE LIKE, I THINK COLLECTIVELY 10 MILLION PEOPLE WERE WATCHING NITRO AND. RAW ON A MONDAY NIGHT. >> CUT INTO THE MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL RATINGS. I MEAN, COULD YOU IMAGINE THAT NOW? >> CRAZY. >> I DON’T THINK WE’LL EVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE IT AGAIN. LIKE I WAS LISTENING TO SOME PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE BLOODLINE. BLOODLINE GREATEST. >> STORY. IT’S. >> IT’S. >> NOT IT’S. >> NOT THE NWA. >> I’M SORRY. >> IT’S A GOOD STORY. >> IT’S A GREAT ONE. >> IT WAS A GREAT STORY LINE. >> THIS IS TRANSFORMATIVE. >> YEAH. >> IT’S THE SAME REASON WHY HOGAN TURNING ISN’T THE SAME AS CENA, RIGHT? THERE WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING LIKE THIS. AND THE ATTITUDE E.R.A. IN MY OPINION, AND THOSE TWO HAPPENING AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU THINK WE CAN EVER SEE ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THIS AGAIN? >> NO, NO, NOT QUITE LIKE IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KIND OF PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WRESTLING WAS IN THE EARLY 90s, AND IT WAS NOT IN A GOOD PLACE LIKE IT WAS. I MEAN, ARGUABLY ON THE VERGE OF NOT EVEN BEING A THING ANYMORE IN THE EARLY 90s BECAUSE WCW WAS NOT ANYTHING RIGHT. THEY WERE THEIR RATINGS WERE OKAY. LIKE FOR WCW SATURDAY NIGHT AND LIKE SOME OF THE SYNDICATED SHOWS, BUT THEY WERE NOT MAKING ANY KIND OF IMPACT. AND THEN VINCE MCMAHON WAS GOING THROUGH THE STEROID TRIAL AND THAT HURT THE WWF IMMENSELY, HURT THEM FINANCIALLY, HURT THEM FROM AN IMAGE AND REPUTATION STANDPOINT. RIGHT. THE IDEA THAT THESE GUYS ARE ON STEROIDS, WELL, I MEAN, WE KIND OF KNOW NOW THAT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THEM, IT’S PRETTY OBVIOUS THEY WERE. BUT IN THE EARLY 90s, IT WAS IT WAS NAIVETY, RIGHT. SO YOU HAD BOTH PROMOTIONS REALLY KIND OF IN THE, IN THE CRAPPER, SO TO. >> SPEAK. >> AND IT TOOK THE NWO TO KIND OF LIFT THINGS BACK UP AND MAKE IT. THAT’S WHY THAT’S WHY IT’S LIKE YOU CAN NEVER HAVE THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE THE INDUSTRY WAS AT LIKE AN ALL TIME LOW, ALMOST. AND THEN IT TOOK THE NWO AND NITRO, YOU KNOW, THE YOU KNOW AND BISCHOFF DESERVES CREDIT ALSO BEFORE THE NWO, BECAUSE HE WAS DOING THINGS THAT WERE NOT DONE IN WRESTLING EVEN BEFORE SCOTT HALL SHOWED UP. HE WAS GIVING AWAY THE RESULTS RIGHT OF RAW, AND IT WAS REALLY LIKE IT BECAME AN INTENSE BATTLE. AND AND WHEN THOSE BATTLES TAKE PLACE, IT’S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR BOTH PARTIES. WHEN THERE’S COMPETITION LIKE THAT AND YOU’RE GOING HEAD TO HEAD AND COULD YOU IMAGINE, LIKE WHAT REDDIT OR TWITTER WOULD BE LIKE IF, LIKE THE MONDAY NIGHT WAR WAS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, ALL THE TRIBALISM THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IN WWE AND AEW, AND IF IT WAS BACK THEN AND ERIC BISCHOFF WAS GIVING AWAY THE RESULTS OF RAW, YOU KNOW, THE RESULTS OF RAW ON A LIVE NITRO CHAOS, AND THEN MEDUSA COMES IN AND DROPS THE THE TITLE IN THE GARBAGE. RIGHT? THESE WERE THINGS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. SO THEY WERE ALREADY KIND OF CREATING BUZZ AND THE BILLIONAIRE TED SKITS. SO YOU COULD SEE LIKE THE WHOLE LIKE THE EVOLUTION OF WHERE THE WHERE THE BUSINESS WAS AND THE NWO WAS, WAS THE CATALYST THAT TOOK IT TO LIKE AN EVEN GREATER LEVEL. AND THE ATTITUDE EVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? DOES THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE NWO? I WOULD ARGUE PROBABLY NOT AT THAT LEVEL. AND IF THERE’S NO ATTITUDE E.R.A., THEN WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW WHAT? HOW HOW BIG DID YOU KNOW WRESTLING GOT SO BIG? IS WRESTLING THE SAME NOW AS AS AS IT IS, IF NOT FOR THAT TIME PERIOD? >> DO YOU WATCH WRESTLING FOLLOW WRESTLING. >> I DO, YEAH YOU DO. YEAH. >> EVERYTHING YOU. >> WATCH, EVERYTHING I WATCH A LOT. >> HOW MANY HOURS. >> A WEEK? OH, GOD. >> MY WIFE’S HERE. HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK? >> WHAT DID SHE SAY? >> SHE’S ROLLING HER EYES. YEAH, IT’S TOO MUCH. >> SHE DOESN’T WANT TO. >> TALK ABOUT IT. >> IT’S 3 HOURS ON MONDAY. IT’S 2-3 HOURS ON FRIDAY. >> YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST WATCH. I SOMETIMES I POP IN IN THE MORNING WHEN I’M JUST WORKING, AND I HAVE IT ON IN THE BACKGROUND. I DON’T WATCH IT LIVE. BUT WHAT’S. >> YOUR. >> FAVORITE THING IN WRESTLING RIGHT NOW? >> OH, THAT’S A REALLY HARD QUESTION. WOW. >> WHAT’S THE BEST THING? >> THE BEST THING IN WRESTLING RIGHT NOW? THAT’S A REALLY HARD QUESTION. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. >> WHAT’S YOUR FAVORITE STORY? YOUR FAVORITE GIMMICK? YOUR FAVORITE GUY? YOUR FAVORITE FEUD? >> I MEAN, I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT HAPPENS WITH CM PUNK AND JOHN CENA. >> OKAY. >> I ENJOY CM PUNK. A.W. IS I FEEL LIKE THEY’RE ON A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPSWING. >> ARE THEY? >> I THOUGHT, I. THOUGHT LAST YEAR WAS KIND OF A TOUGH YEAR FOR THEM BUSINESS WISE. AND ALSO JUST LIKE BUZZ WISE, AND I FEEL LIKE THEY’RE MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A COMEBACK THIS YEAR. AND I THINK THAT’S GOOD. AND I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK WRESTLING AS A WHOLE, I MEAN, I GO TO LIKE INDY SHOWS IN ATLANTA, LIKE I. >> YOU EVER SEE PAUL WALTER HAUSER? >> I’VE SEEN HIM AT AN MSW SHOW. HE’S COMING ON NEXT, RIGHT? >> YES. >> YOU’VE SEEN HIM WRESTLE? >> I HAVE. HOW IS HE? HE’S FUN. >> LOOK, I’LL SAY THIS. HE WORKS HIS. >> BUTT OFF. >> I MEAN, HE WORKS HIS BUTT OFF AND HE TAKES ALL THE BUMPS. CRAZY. AND FOR A GUY THAT HAS WON AN EMMY WHO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TAKING BUMPS LIKE. >> THAT. >> I’M IMPRESSED. HE LOVES. HE ABSOLUTELY LOVES WRESTLING. >> HE REALLY DOES. >> IT’S VERY CLEAR THAT HE LOVES WRESTLING. >> YES. >> YOU GO TO INDY SHOWS. >> ABSOLUTELY. I LOVE IT. >> GCW. >> THEY HAVEN’T BEEN TO ATLANTA SINCE I’VE BEEN. >> THERE. >> BUT IF THEY COME AROUND, I’LL. >> BE THERE. >> YOU. SHAHEEN, CASEY. >> OH, HE’S GOING BACK. >> THOSE GUYS USED TO COME UP FROM ARIZONA I KNOW YOU GUYS DON’T KNOW LIKE SHAHEEN AL-SHATTI MY MY PAL AND JOSE JONES. YEAH. THEY USED TO DRIVE UP FROM PHOENIX TO GO TO JUST GO TO PWG. THEY WOULD STAY AT MY PLACE. WE’D GO TO PWG. IT WAS A GREAT TIME. DAVE MELTZER WAS THERE. >> IF YOU EVER BEEN TO BLOODSPORT. >> REMEMBER SKYLAR ASTIN, MY GUY. >> STILL STILL TALK TO HIM? >> YEAH. >> DO YOU EVER GO TO. >> BLOODSPORT? YEAH, YEAH. >> I’D LIKE TO GO TO. >> ONE OF THOSE. >> I’VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THEM, AND THEY’RE. THEY’RE GREAT. THEY ARE FANTASTIC. >> YEAH. >> IT’S IT’S LIKE TO ME, ALMOST THE HIGHLIGHT OF WRESTLEMANIA WEEKEND OUTSIDE OF ACTUAL. AND SOME WOULD EVEN SAY MAYBE EVEN BETTER THAN WRESTLEMANIA. IT DEPENDS. I, I LIKE ALL KINDS OF WRESTLING, YOU KNOW, I SEE I SEE. >> THE. >> BEAUTY IN THE ART IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT FROM THE INDIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I’M IN ATLANTA AND. LIKE A THC INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE WITH A RING IN. >> IT. >> WITH LIKE MAYBE 20 PEOPLE THERE OR WRESTLEMANIA WHERE THERE’S 70,000. >> IS IT TRUE THAT A, A A WRESTLING BOOK WRITTEN BY A JOURNALIST HAS NEVER BEEN NUMBER 1 ON THE NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING. >> LIST. >> NEVER EVEN MADE THE. >> LIST. >> NEVER EVEN MADE THE. >> LIST. >> ONLY. ONLY MEMOIRS. >> SO LIKE, YEAH. >> JERICHO’S BOOK, FOLEY’S BOOK. >> THOSE GUYS. >> YEAH YEAH. YEAH YEAH. >> LOVE FOLEY’S BOOK. RIGHT. HAVE A NICE. >> DAY AS A KID. >> IS THE ONE THAT KICKED IT ALL OFF. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THERE WAS A STRETCH THERE IN THE LATE 90s WHERE IT WAS JUST, LIKE BANGER AFTER BANGER. >> YEAH. >> I LOVED IT ALL. BRET HART LATER. >> ON, I KNOW. >> SO, SO A JOURNALIST. WOW. AND IS THIS TEN? IT WOULD BE OUT OF. >> TEN, 15, 15. >> THE NEW YORK TIMES LIST. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> IT’S 15 OKAY. IT’S LIKE THE UFC RANKINGS. >> THAT’S WHAT THEY. >> YEAH YEAH, YEAH. SO WE’RE. >> I THINK IT’S ACTUALLY THE SAME. >> THE SAME GUYS. >> WHO VOTES ON IT. YEAH. >> THE DUDE FROM 92.3 IN WICHITA. SO SO WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES. >> HERE. >> IT’S I THINK 50 50 RIGHT. >> NOW OKAY. IT’S IT REALLY DEPENDS. >> ON I’LL FIND OUT LIKE IN PROBABLY TWO WEEKS. >> GOSH IS THAT NERVE. >> WRACKING. >> I MEAN, YES, ONLY BECAUSE I’M MAKING IT NERVE WRACKING BECAUSE I NEED I NEED TO, LIKE, HAVE A GOAL AND I NEED TO HAVE, LIKE A CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF ME. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE SPECIAL. BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE VALIDATION FOR FOR PRO WRESTLING. BECAUSE IF YOU SEE LIKE WHAT’S ON THIS THE NEW YORK TIMES LIST EVERY. >> WEEK. >> IT IS LIKE SUPER HIGH BROW, YOU KNOW, STUFF. YOU KNOW, THE IT’S THE NONFICTION LIST, RIGHT? IT’S LIKE IT’S I’M GOING UP AGAINST NOVELS. IT’S LIKE NONFICTION, LIKE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE POLITICS AND SOCIOLOGY AND ALL THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL IF A WRESTLING BOOK ENDED. UP IN THERE, JUST SO THAT PEOPLE WHO, LIKE, READ THE LIST EVERY WEEK, WHO YOU KNOW, WHO THESE, THESE LITERARY FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE REALLY INTO BOOKS AND EVERYTHING, WHICH I’M KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXPOSING MYSELF BECAUSE I’M, I HAVE NOT BEEN THAT INTO BOOKS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE I’M, I’M BUSY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY FUNNY TO, LIKE, OPEN UP THE NEW YORK TIMES ONE DAY AND SEE, LIKE, SAY HELLO TO THE BAD GUYS. WHAT DOES A WRESTLING BOOK IN HERE? AND I THINK IT DESERVES TO BE I THINK I THINK THERE SHOULD BE. >> INCREDIBLE. >> YES, I THINK IT WOULD BE TO ME, IT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE VALIDATION OR EVEN IF NOT VINDICATION FOR WRESTLING FANS, BECAUSE IT’S STILL SO STIGMATIZED FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND I FEEL LIKE IN 2025, LIKE WE LIVE IN A CULTURE WHERE THERE’S FAKE THINGS HAPPENING ALL AROUND US. I MEAN, JUST OPEN YOUR INSTAGRAM OR YOUR TIKTOK AND IT’S LIKE IT’S LIKE SKITS AND IT’S LIKE PEOPLE PUTTING ON PERSONAS AND CHARACTERS. SO WE’RE AROUND THAT CONSTANTLY. SO WHY WHY IS, IS IS WRESTLING NOT GIVEN ITS JUST DUE AS AN ART DURING THE DAYS OF SHAKESPEARE, LIKE THE CONTEMPORARY DAYS OF SHAKESPEARE, HIS WORK WAS THOUGHT OF AS VERY LOWBROW AS BEING LIKE A SOAP OPERA. AND I FEEL LIKE THERE’S COMPARISONS WHERE WRESTLING IS KIND OF LIKE THAT NOW, WHERE IT’S NOT REALLY GIVEN ITS JUST DUE AS A FORM OF ART. AND I’M HOPING THAT THIS BOOK HELPS THAT IN A WAY. AND GETTING ON THE NEW YORK TIMES. >> LIST. >> I THINK, WOULD BE A BIG WAY TO DO THAT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO WRITE ANOTHER. >> BOOK. >> OR HAS THIS BEEN SUCH. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. >> YOU’RE IN. YEAH. >> MAYBE LIKE IN 20 YEARS. >> OKAY. NO, I MEAN. >> IT’S EXHAUSTING. IT’S IT’S. >> YEAH. >> IT’S A HUGE LIFT. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO’VE WRITTEN BOOKS AND THEY TELL ME IT LIKE A PIECE OF YOUR SOUL DIES, RIGHT? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT’S JUST INTENSE. >> YOU BEAT YOURSELF UP CONSTANTLY. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO WRITE ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT. ESPECIALLY ABOUT WRESTLING, YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, AGAIN, LIKE, IF I CAN KIND OF DO MY PART TO UPLIFT THE REPUTATION OR, OR ELIMINATE THE STIGMA AGAINST WRESTLING TO NON-FANS, I WOULD LOVE TO CARRY THAT MANTLE IF IT’S POSSIBLE. AND MAYBE THAT’S LIKE A PIPE DREAM OR, YOU KNOW. >> OVERSTATING IT. >> ON YOUR SHOULDERS, BY. >> THE WAY. >> YEAH, I MEAN, I’M NOT YOU. >> KNOW. >> I’M NOT TAKING THE BUMPS, BUT I CAN KIND OF HELP AS A JOURNALIST, HELP SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THIS IS BECAUSE I. I DRAG. PEOPLE TO WRESTLING. >> SHOWS. >> LIKE I DID IT IN L.A., IN INDEPENDENT SHOWS. I’M DOING IT IN ATLANTA NOW TOO, WITH A NEW GROUP OF FRIENDS. RIGHT, WHO HAVE NEVER REALLY WATCHED WRESTLING LIKE THAT. AND IT’S SO INTERESTING TO ME TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE COME TO SHOWS AND WHAT THEY REACT TO AND WHAT’S COMPELLING TO THEM AND WHO THEY FEEL LIKE IS A BIG STAR AND WHO’S NOT SO INTERESTING TO ME, MAN. LIKE, I. >> JUST LOVE THAT. >> LIKE WRESTLING CONVENTIONS, SIGNING THE BOOK AND. >> STUFF. >> POTENTIALLY. >> OH, REALLY? >> TALK ABOUT THAT. >> I LOVE IT. >> IF IF THE BOOK WAS. OUT BEFORE WRESTLEMANIA, I WOULD HAVE BEEN AT WRESTLECON PROBABLY SIGNING. >> OH, THAT’S. >> WHAT A DREAM. >> YEAH. >> THAT WOULD BE COOL. >> YOU NEXT TO DEMOLITION, YOU KNOW. >> YEAH. >> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. I WENT TO WRESTLECON. YOU KNOW. >> IT’S A GREAT TIME. IN FACT, YOU DO HAVE A FEW STOPS. ONE TONIGHT. >> YEAH. >> NEW YORK 6:00. HERE WE GO. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS. >> RIGHT HERE. OH, WOW. >> THAT’S ME. >> 6:00 TONIGHT AT THE RENAISSANCE HOTEL. >> WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF BOOKS LEFT. >> WELL. >> OKAY, WELL, GET ON IT. >> YEAH. SO IF YOU’RE IF YOU’RE IN MANHATTAN TONIGHT, JUNE 24. THAT’S THE DAY THAT. >> COMES OUT, RIGHT? >> JUNE 24. >> YEAH. >> MY MOM’S BIRTHDAY. SHOUT OUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND THEN JUNE 28 IN ATLANTA, GA. >> ISN’T IT CRAZY, BY THE WAY, THAT I WAS NOT LIVING IN ATLANTA WHEN I GOT THIS BOOK? >> OFFER YOU SOMEHOW. >> AND NOW I LIVE IN ATLANTA WHERE WCW WAS FROM. THAT’S LIKE CRAZY TO ME. LIKE, THAT’S LIKE IT’S WEIRD. >> FATE. YES. THAT’S FATE. >> WHERE’S THE POWER PLANT? LIKE, WHAT’S BECOME. >> OF IT? >> SO I. >> WENT. >> I DIDN’T TELL. >> YOU THIS. NO. >> I WENT THERE. SO WHEN I WAS BEFORE I MOVED TO ATLANTA, I WENT ON A TRIP JUST FOR THE. BOOK. AND I, YOU KNOW, MET UP WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR WCW AT THE TIME. AND ONE OF THEM, ALLEN SHARPE, WHO WAS THEIR HEAD OF PR. HE TOOK ME, HE TOOK ME TO THE OLD WCW OFFICES IN SMYRNA ON LOG CABIN ROAD. I BELIEVE IT IS. AND NOW IT’S LIKE A POWER COMPANY. >> WOW. >> IT’S A GIANT LIKE WAREHOUSE. BUT NOW IT’S ALL LIKE LIGHTS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT THERE USED TO BE LIKE A RING IN THERE WHERE GUYS WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, GO OVER THEIR MATCHES AND TRAIN IN LIKE, WCW OFFICES. SO THERE WAS LIKE LEGIT PEOPLE WORKING AND THERE WAS LIKE A RING, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS GIANT WAREHOUSE. AND THEY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE, BE IN THERE TRAINING. AND THEN THE POWER PLANT WAS LIKE A FEW MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD. ALSO IN THAT AREA OF GEORGIA. AND NOW IT’S LIKE JUST A WAREHOUSE. I THINK FURNITURE. AND THE GUY THAT WAS WORKING THERE SAID HE WAS WCW FAN BUT HAD NO IDEA THAT HE WAS WORKING IN THE OLD POWER PLANT. >> WOW. >> YEAH. >> PRETTY CRAZY. >> THAT WAS WHERE THE THE BIG BOYS. >> PLAYED, WHERE. >> THE BIG BOYS PLAY. YEAH, THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE SLOGAN. YEAH. >> THE CATCHPHRASE . >> SOME PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY MAKE FUN OF ME FOR THIS. BUT LIKE WHEN WE GO ON VACATION, LIKE MY THING TO DO, I JUST LOVE READING WRESTLING BOOKS OF ALL KIND. IT’S JUST IT’S JUST A NICE VACATION READ. YEAH, AND THAT’S WHAT I WAS SENDING YOU BACK IN APRIL WHEN MY KIDS WERE ON SPRING BREAK. >> YEAH. >> IT’S SUCH A GREAT READ. REALLY? YOU DID SUCH A GREAT JOB. AND OBVIOUSLY I WAS A LITTLE MORE INVESTED BECAUSE I KNOW YOU. AND I REMEMBER WHEN YOU GOT THE EMAIL AND EVERYTHING, IT’S. IT’S WEIRD TO SAY TO SOMEONE THAT YOU’RE FRIENDS WITH, BUT I’M PROUD OF YOU. WELL DONE. CONGRATULATIONS. THIS IS NO EASY THING TO DO. YOU PULLED IT OFF. YOU DID IT. AND YOU CAN PREORDER IT RIGHT NOW. THERE IT IS. NEARLY 100 INTERVIEWS. THE DEFINITIVE BOOK ON THE RISE AND FALL OF PRO WRESTLING’S MOST ICONIC GROUP. YOU CAN GET IT NOW WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR BOOKS RIGHT. AMAZON. >> AMAZON, BARNES AND NOBLE. >> TARGET, WALMART. >> INCREDIBLE. >> ALL THE. >> SPOTS AND IT IS OUT OFFICIALLY JUNE 24. THERE IT IS. WHAT A GREAT PICTURE THAT IS. TOO IS THAT THE WWE VERSION? >> IT IS. AND YOU KNOW, I’VE I’VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN CRITICISM. >> YOU GOT. >> ARE PEOPLE. >> CRITICIZING YOU FOR THAT. >> PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED ON THAT. AND THE TRUTH IS, IS THAT THERE. WE WWE WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AMAZING WITH WITH HELPING WITH THE BOOK. AND THEY ACTUALLY SENT ME PHOTOS. BUT FRANKLY, THE WWE ERA PHOTOS WERE. >> JUST WAY BETTER. >> BETTER THAN THE WWE. >> WERE LIKE KIND OF DARK AND GRAINY AND. >> AND THAT’S KIND OF WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO, WAS LIKE THERE WAS JUST FOR THE COVER OF A BOOK, IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A REALLY LIKE SHARP, CLEAR PHOTO. >> AND YEAH. >> IT CAN’T. >> BE LIKE, YEAH. >> AND THIS WAS THE VIBE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN’T BE LIKE A STRETCHED OUT PHOTO OF. >> A STING. NO, YOU CANNOT. >> DO THAT. >> YOU CANNOT DO THAT. >> SO. SO THIS IS WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. AND I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. >> AND I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THIS. ACCORDING TO THE EDITOR IN CHIEF OF UNCROWNED. COM NOT SURE IF YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THE THE WEBSITE. >> BUT YES, I’M A I’M A FREQUENT. >> NUMBER 1 SITE FOR ALL THINGS COMBAT SPORTS SHAHEEN AL-SHATTI TELLING ME THAT AN EXCERPT FROM THIS VERY BOOK. >> THAT’S CORRECT. >> WILL BE PREMIERING ON UNCROWNED ON MONDAY, JUNE 23. >> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. >> WHICH EXCERPT. >> WE HAVEN’T. >> DECIDED. >> THAT’S MY. >> GUY. EXACTLY. >> THE DIAMOND STUD HIMSELF. >> THE DIAMOND STUD. >> I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HIS EARLY DAYS. >> THE FIGHT STRIP CLUB. >> OH , MAN. YEAH. >> HE’S GOT STUFF. YEAH. >> I DIDN’T REALIZE. >> QUITE A LIFE. >> THAT HE LED. YES, YES. >> WELL DONE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. GOOD LUCK LATER TODAY. GOOD LUCK WITH THE THE SALE, THE LAUNCH, ALL THAT STUFF. AND YEAH, I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT’S THE NEXT ONE? DON’T TELL. DON’T TELL ANYONE. YOU PROBABLY. >> THE. NEXT BOOK. YEAH. >> YOU HAVE IT. >> ALREADY. WOW. IT’S NOT DONE OKAY. >> NOT A DONE DEAL. >> OKAY. WE’LL SEE, WE’LL SEE, WE’LL SEE. THAT’S GREAT. >> YOU’RE GONNA COME OUT AT 6:00 P.M. TODAY. >> THAT’S A NITRO TEASE RIGHT THERE. >> THAT’S RIGHT. >> WE’LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. >> CLIFFHANGER. >> WE’LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. TONY SCHIAVONE, WHO ONE TIME SAID THAT CALLED ME, I THINK A HONEY OR SOMETHING. IT WAS A GREAT MOMENT IN MY LIFE WHEN HE INSULTED ME. ANYWAY, WE’LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK HERE. WE’LL SAY GOODBYE TO MARK. WE’LL BE BACK WITH PAUL. WALTER HAUSER IN STUDIO. DO NOT GO ANYWHERE. GET THE BOOK RIGHT NOW. YOU’RE ONLINE. BUY IT RIGHT NOW. GO ON AMAZON, BARNES AND NOBLE. BUY IT. I’LL SEE YOU IN. >> A MINUTE. >> BACK TO LAST WEEKEND, THOUGH. YES. MERAB DVALISHVILI BECOMES DEFENDS HIS UFC BANTAMWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP AGAINST SEAN O’MALLEY, THE MAN THAT HE TOOK THE BELT FROM LAST SEPTEMBER RACKS UP HIS SECOND TITLE DEFENSE, DOING IT IN DOMINANT FASHION , THIS TIME FINISHING SEAN O’MALLEY BY THIRD ROUND SUBMISSION. WE ALSO SAW HIM BEAT UMAR NURMAGOMEDOV IN JANUARY. HIS WIN STREAK IS NOW AT 13, AND JUST WITH THE NAMES THAT HE IS RACKING UP, THE WINS THAT HE IS GETTING NOW. TWO TITLE DEFENSES, THE DOMINANT FASHION THAT HE IS SHOWING. WE WANTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. WHO IS GOING TO STOP THIS MAN? YEAH. WHO IS WHO IS GOING TO DETHRONE THIS MAN. >> ON SATURDAY NIGHT AFTER AFTER MERAB DID WHAT HE DID, I TWEETED OUT BASICALLY THAT LIKE THIS IS AN UNSOLVABLE PUZZLE. LIKE THERE ISN’T A WAY TO KIND OF BEAT MERAB. AND I’VE AND I’VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, RIGHT? I’VE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE DOESN’T NEED TO BE EFFICIENT. RIGHT. HE CAN HE CAN WHIFF ON STRIKES. HE CAN WHIFF ON TAKEDOWNS. AND THE RELENTLESSNESS, JUST THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY’RE GOING TO CONTINUE CARRIES THE DAY FOR HIM. AND IT WAS MET WITH SOME PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, THIS PERSON’S GOING TO BE THE ONE, THIS PERSON’S GOING TO BE THE ONE OUR VERY OWN. OH, AND BY THE WAY, WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE THUMBNAIL FOR FOR TODAY’S SHOW, ANOTHER ANOTHER BANGER BY OWN SHOUT OUT OVEN. HE SUGGESTED THAT COREY SANDHAGEN HAS THE BEST SHOT TO BEAT MERAB. AND SO THAT GOT ME THINKING OF THE OPTIONS OUT THERE. A CAN ANYBODY EVEN DO IT? AND IF IF THEY ACTUALLY LET’S START IN THE REVERSE ORDER, WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE? AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE THAT CHANCE, CAN THEY ULTIMATELY DO IT? SO LET’S LET’S THINK ABOUT THE FIELD RIGHT. THE THE SEAN O’MALLEY THING. I THINK WE CAN DEFINITIVELY KIND OF SAY IT’S NOT GOING TO BE SEAN O’MALLEY. RIGHT? HE’S HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES. HE DIDN’T WIN THOSE. AND IN THE SECOND TIME, HE EVEN LOOKED MORE COMFORTABLE. MERAB, THAT IS. SO I’M GOING TO SAY THAT ONE’S OFF THE TABLE. UMAR. PRETTY GOOD FIRST FIGHT RIGHT. LIKE HAD HAD THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS ON SOME PEOPLE’S CARDS. AND SEEMED LIKE HE WAS DOING WELL AGAINST MERAB UNTIL MERAB KIND OF LIKE TURNED UP THE GAS AND TOOK THAT OVER. BUT UMAR DID PRETTY WELL. >> IN MY OPINION. JUST LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE. IF YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE AGE WHERETHEY’RE AT IN THEIR CAREERS, I DO FEEL LIKE UMAR STILL WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FAVORITE IN MY HEAD JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE. >> THE FAVORITE FROM THE FIELD, RIGHT? NOT THE FAVORITE OVER. MERAB. >> OKAY. NO NO NO, I, I AM CONVINCED THAT WHEN MERAB DOES ULTIMATELY LOSE HIS BELT BECAUSE HE WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE HIS BELT, THE SPORT MOVES FAST. IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE THESE GUYS ARE COMPLETELY UNBEATABLE. AND THEN OUT OF NOWHERE, THEY THEY GET UPSET AND THEN THEY LOSE TWO OR THREE. AND IT’S KIND OF LIKE, I MEAN, WE’RE LOOKING AT IT WITH KAMARU USMAN RIGHT NOW. LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT A SPORT MOVING FAST. THIS DUDE WAS 15 FIGHT WIN STREAK ON HIS WAY TO GETTING A 16th AGAINST LEON EDWARDS. SO THE SPORT MOVES FAST. MERAB WILL ULTIMATELY LOSE HIS BELT AT SOME POINT. IT’S JUST WHO’S IT GOING TO BE TO AND HOW LONG WAS THE REIGN? I DO THINK WHEN HE DOES LOSE HIS BELT, HE WILL PROBABLY BE A SIZABLE FAVORITE IN THE FIGHT, THAT HE DOES LOSE HIS BELT. IT WILL BE PRETTY SHOCKING. IT WILL BE AN UPSET. SO FROM THE FIELD, THE FACT THAT UMAR IS ONLY 29-YEARS-OLD, HE WON THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS ON TWO JUDGES SCORECARDS WITH A BROKEN HAND, AND I BELIEVE HE DID THAT IN THE FIRST ROUND. >> ACCORDING TO HIM, YES. >> ACCORDING TO HIM, IT WAS FIRST ROUND. WE SAW THE SWELLING. AFTERWARD, THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT THAT HE DID IN FACT BREAK HIS HAND. I THINK THE FACT THAT IF IF HE WENT IN HEALTHY, HAVING ALREADY FOUGHT HIM FOR 25 MINUTES, YOU HAVE TO THINK AT HIS AGE, AT 29-YEARS-OLD, HE’LL ONLY CONTINUE TO GET BETTER. WHILE MERAB GETTING INTO THIS AGE AT 30:05 YEARS IN JANUARY, HE’S GOING TO TURN 35 AND WE KNOW THE STRUGGLES OF 35-YEAR-OLD CHAMPIONS, ESPECIALLY AT THESE LOWER WEIGHT CLASSES. IT FEELS LIKE IT’S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO SHIPS PASSING IN THE NIGHT IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY’RE AT IN THEIR CAREER. IF THE FIGHT LINES UP, IF THEY DO END UP REMATCHING, IF IT LINES UP AT A PROPER TIME, SAY IT’S IN LIKE A YEAR, MAYBE LIKE 18 MONTHS, I FEEL LIKE UMAR WOULD HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF DOING IT. >> IT’S A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, HE WAS THE FAVORITE. AS WE’VE TALKED ABOUT AFTER. >> THIS, LIKE LIKE A MINUS 250 MINUS. >> HE WAS OVER 2-1 AGAINST MERAB. AND SO YOU HAVE TO THINK IF HE WAS THAT BIG A FAVORITE, THERE WAS SO MUCH, SO MANY PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED HE HAD THE STYLE TO DO IT. THEN HE ACTUALLY LOOKED GOOD IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, HE UNFORTUNATELY SUFFERED AN EARLY INJURY. BUT LOOK GOOD IN THOSE FIRST TWO ROUNDS. YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE OF THE FIELD. HE HE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD OPTION. THE OTHER NAME THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS COREY. >> AND SO I KNOW IRVIN MENTIONED THAT. I DID JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, THERE ARE ODDS NOW RELEASED. OKAY, I KNOW WE DON’T HAVE A DATE OR ANYTHING FOR THIS. WHAT WOULD YOUR ESTIMATE BE. >> ON A REMATCH? THIS IS A REMATCH BETWEEN UMAR AND MERAB, OR COREY AND. >> MERAB AND COREY. >> MERAB MINUS 215. >> MERAB -400. OH WOW PLUS 330. >> OKAY, THAT’S. >> THE I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF LINES WE’RE GOING TO SEE ON MERAB DVALISHVILI. >> MAYBE HE MAYBE HE WILL FINALLY EARN THE RESPECT AND AND DESERVEDLY SO. IT’S FUNNY LIKE I’M THE BIGGEST I’VE BEEN ONE OF THE THE GUYS BEATING THE MERAB DRUM AND HE HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A DOG TO UMAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT 400 DOES FEEL STEEP AND HERE MAYBE HERE MAYBE I’M REVEALING MY HAND BECAUSE HERE’S WHY I ACTUALLY THINK COREY HAS A BETTER CHANCE TO BEAT MERAB THAN UMAR. >> DOES. >> 48 47 ON TWO SCORECARDS FOR FOR OMAR. >> THAT IS., HE PUT IN A TREMENDOUS PERFORMANCE, ESPECIALLY AS WE’VE SAID, CONSIDERING WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST, IF HIS HAND WAS COMPROMISED FROM THEN ON, IT WAS A FANTASTIC PERFORMANCE BY HIM. >> WHAT I ULTIMATELY COME BACK TO WHEN IT COMES TO UMAR IS ONE NOW. MERAB SEEN IT AND IF YOU GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE, WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. RIGHT AGAINST SEAN O’MALLEY. HE LOOKED, WHAT, THREE TIMES BETTER LIKE IT WAS. IT WAS NOT EVEN A COMPETITIVE FIGHT BY THAT POINT. LIKE, CERTAINLY SEAN WASN’T GETTING HIS DOORS BLOWN OFF, BUT MAN, IT WAS MORALES CONTROL FROM MINUTE ONE TILL THE VERY END. AND THEN HE COMPLETELY FINISHED HIM. IF YOU GIVE MERAB ANOTHER CHANCE, I HAVE A FEELING HE’LL DO BETTER. I HAVE A FEELING HE’LL DO BETTER AGAINST UMAR. THAT’S NOT TO SAY UMAR WON’T DO BETTER, BUT WHEN HE’S SEEN WHAT YOU HAVE AND KNOWS, KIND OF LIKE HOW THAT FIGHT CAN GO AND ALSO HAS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT COME ROUND THREE THROUGH FIVE, I’M GOING TO BE THE ONE PRESSING FORWARD. I BELIEVE THAT HE’S GOING TO HAVE A BETTER CHANCE. AND UMAR PATH TO VICTORY IS A DIFFICULT ONE. IT’S YOU HAVE TO BE MERAB. THE PATH TO VICTORY IS CAN YOU DO WHAT MERAB DOES BUT DO IT BETTER? AND THAT’S A VERY TOUGH TASK BECAUSE I THINK HE’S SINGULAR. I THINK MERAB IS ONE OF ONE. COREY, ON THE OTHER HAND , WHILE NOT AS. EFFECTIVE IN THE OFFENSIVE, GRAPPLING AS UMAR IS, BUT I WOULD SAY NOT A SLOUCH IN THE OFFENSIVE GRAPPLING. WE’VE SEEN COREY KIND OF GO TO HIS GRAPPLING, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHEETO, VERIFY WHERE HE WAS JUST LIKE, THIS IS WHERE I WANT THIS FIGHT TO TAKE PLACE. AND HE USED IT WELL. NOT AS GOOD AS UMAR IS GOOD THERE. AND THEN WHAT I FEEL HE HAS, THAT IS THE BIGGEST KEY AND ATTRIBUTE THAT OTHER FIGHTERS IN THIS DIVISION MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE IS THAT FLASH KO POSSIBILITY THAT , LIKE SEAN O’MALLEY, CERTAINLY HAS POWER AND HE’S. >> SO THAT’S AN EXCERPT FROM THE BOYS IN THE BACK ON THURSDAY. YOU CAN CATCH THAT EVERY THURSDAY RIGHT HERE ON THE CHANNEL OR WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS. THAT’S NEWYORKRIC. AND GC CONNER BURKS DOING THEIR THING. IT’S A GRAND OLD SHOW I ENJOYED VERY MUCH. I ENJOYED JUST WATCHING AND TAKING IT ALL IN. THAT WAS MARC RAIMONDI ONCE AGAIN. SAY HELLO TO THE BAD GUYS IS THE BOOK. IT COMES OUT ON 24 JUNE, BUT YOU CAN PREORDER IT RIGHT NOW. I’VE READ IT. I ENJOYED IT IMMENSELY. IT’S A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY GREAT BOOK AND AS YOU CAN TELL, A LOT OF REPORTING, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO MAKING. IT THIS GOOD. AND LET’S GET IT ON THE NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING LIST, SHALL WE? NOW IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, DARE I SAY SECONDS. WE’RE GOING TO BE JOINED BY A TREMENDOUS ACTOR NAMED PAUL WALTER HAUSER, 38 YEARS YOUNG. HE HAS, I MEAN, AN UNBELIEVABLE FILMOGRAPHY. HE’S BEEN IN THE RICHARD JEWELL FILM DIRECTED BY. HE PLAYED RICHARD JEWELL, DIRECTED BY CLINT EASTWOOD. INSIDE OUT TWO. HE WAS JUST IN I, TONYA, BLACK KLANSMAN, THE INSTIGATORS. BLACKBIRD WON AN EMMY FOR. >> THAT. >> HE’S WON A GOLDEN GLOBE, WAS IN COBRA KAI, WAS IN THE MMA TV SHOW KINGDOM AS WELL. HE’S BEEN IN A TON OF THINGS, AND IN FACT, HE’S COMING OUT WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF GREAT PROJECTS. HE’S IN THE NEW NAKED GUN FILM, HE’S IN THE NEW AVENGERS MOVIE, OR EXCUSE ME, IT’S THE FANTASTIC FOUR. DID I SAY AVENGERS LAST TIME? >> JUST SORT OF. >> YEAH, IT’S FANTASTIC FOUR. I’M SORT OF EXPOSING MYSELF RIGHT. >> NOW. >> NEW FILM ON BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, WHICH IS COMING OUT AS WELL. I MEAN, HE IS JUST AN UNBELIEVABLE ACTOR, A VERY TALENTED ACTOR. A NEW MOVIE ON CHRIS FARLEY WAS ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE COMEDIANS. I ABSOLUTELY ADORE CHRIS FARLEY. I ADORE. >> HIM. >> I ADORE CHRIS FARLEY, SO I DON’T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS IN PRODUCTION. BUT IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT, HE IS A HUGE PRO WRESTLING FAN. HE WAS ON SMACKDOWN IN 2019. HE’S APPEARED ON AEW, TOOK A A GNARLY GUITAR SHOT FROM JEFF. JARRETT WAY BACK IN THE DAY, AND AS OF LATE, HE HAS BEEN APPEARING A BUNCH ON MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING. THAT’S MSW. IN FACT, JUST A FEW FEW MONTHS AGO, HE WAS NAMED THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING, AND HE’S DONE SOME GREAT THINGS FOR THEM. WHEN HE WON HIS EMMY, HE ACTUALLY REFERENCED MATT CARDONA, WHO HE WAS COMPETING AGAINST IN AN UPCOMING MATCH. HIS EMMY SPEECH WAS A RAP SONG. LIKE HE PUT TOGETHER LIKE A RHYME RAP SONG. WE DON’T HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT. OR DO. >> WE? >> MAYBE WE DO. NO, WE DON’T HAVE IT. IT WAS GREAT. NOT ONLY DID HE MENTION MATT CARDONA, HE ALSO MENTIONED GET THE TABLES, WHICH IS AN INSIDE JOKE THAT HE HAS WITH HIS WITH HIS AGENT. SO THIS IS THE GUY WHO JUST LIKE MARK IN HIS OWN WAY, HE HE CARRIES THE FLAG. HE’S A HUGE FAN. BUT WHILE BEING A HUGE FAN AND THESE DAYS AN ACTIVE WRESTLER AND ALSO AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER FOR WRESTLING ORGANIZATION, HE’S ALSO WINNING AWARDS AND KILLING IT IN THE ACTING GAME, THE FILM AND TV GAME. AND SO IT’S A GREAT HONOR TO SAY HELLO TO THE ONE AND ONLY PAUL WALTER HAUSER, WHO IS KIND ENOUGH TO JOIN US RIGHT HERE, NOW IN STUDIO. THERE HE IS, THE MAN HIMSELF. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW ARE YOU, SIR? IT’S NICE TO MEET YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND YOU’RE YOU’RE. ARE YOU HAWKING MARK’S BOOK AS WELL? >> THANKS FOR MAKING IT HAPPEN. YEAH. I RAN INTO MARK ON HIS WAY OUT, AND HE. >> THAT’S NICE. >> OF YOU. >> THIS BOOK, WHICH IS VERY MUCH THE KIND OF BOOK I WOULD READ. >> AND YOU HAVE A WCW. LIKE YOU’RE YOU GOT A WCW FANNY. >> PACK. WHERE DID YOU GET THIS WCW? >> I THINK I GOT IT OFF CHALK LINE OR SOMETHING. I THINK THE GIFT TO ME. >> THAT THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE. IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU IN PERSON HERE. YOU LOOK FANTASTIC, BY THE WAY. >> THANKS, MAN. >> THE HAIR LOOKS GREAT. >> YEAH, THIS IS A VERY, VERY PARTICULAR LOOK I HAVE RIGHT NOW. I’M DOING A MOVIE CALLED THE VERY BEST PEOPLE. WE’RE SHOOTING IN, MOSTLY IN STATEN ISLAND, AND I PLAY THIS LIKE ITALIAN COP WHO LIVES IN STATEN ISLAND, AND I’M. IT’S KIND OF A ROUGH CHARACTER. AND SO I DYED MY HAIR BLACK, AND I’VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF, LIKE, A TANNING. >> OH, YES. >> YEAH. >> SPRAY TAN. >> LITTLE GLOW TO YOU. >> I LOOK LIKE I GOT DRAGGED THROUGH THE DIRT. I LOOK RIDICULOUS. >> YOU ALSO KIND OF LOOK LIKE A WRESTLER. >> OH, HE JUST GOES TO. >> THE SPRAY TAN. >> FANNY PACK. YES, THE SUITCASE. YES. >> NO, THAT’S THE VIBE, I LOVE IT. >> CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL YOUR SUCCESS. IT’S AN AMAZING CAREER THAT YOU’VE BUILT FOR YOURSELF AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE, WITH SOME AMAZING PROJECTS COMING UP AS WELL. BY THE WAY, I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A CHRIS FARLEY MOVIE COMING OUT. I ADORE CHRIS FARLEY. >> YEAH, I MEAN, IT’S HARD NOT TO LOVE, YOU KNOW? HE’S LIKE, HE’S LIKE PIZZA OR SLEEP. HE’S JUST THIS WONDERFUL, ESSENTIAL, UNIVERSALLY LOVED THING. AND AND I THOUGHT ABOUT PLAYING HIM. AND THEN JOSH GAD CAME TO ME AND MY REPS AND HE WAS LIKE, HEY, I WANT THIS TO BE MY FIRST MOVIE. I DIRECT. WOULD YOU WANT TO CLIMB ON BOARD? AND I AND I KNEW THAT JOSH HAD THE SAME VISION AND PASSION I HAD FOR THE GUY. >> SO HAS. >> THAT HAS THAT STARTED YET? PRODUCTION. >> FILMING STARTED YET? >> THERE’S A SCRIPT, THERE’S A REALLY GOOD SCRIPT WRITTEN BY NEUSTADTER AND WEBER. THE TEAM BEHIND 500 DAYS OF SUMMER AND THE DISASTER ARTIST WITH JAMES AND DAVE FRANCO. THEY WROTE IT AND DID A TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE GOT LORNE MICHAELS AND AND HIS PEOPLE PRODUCING. I MEAN, WE WE HAVE SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS. WE JUST KIND OF NEED WARNER BROTHERS TO GIVE US THE, THE, THE GREENLIGHT, GIVE US THE THUMBS UP. >> WHAT A LIFE THIS IS. YOU’RE LIVING YOUR DREAM. YOU’RE WINNING AWARDS. YOU’RE PLAYING INCREDIBLE ROLES, AND YOU’RE ALSO GETTING TO LIVE OUT EVERY KID’S FANTASY OF BEING A PRO WRESTLER AT THE SAME TIME, AND WORKING FOR PRO WRESTLING ORGANIZATION AS AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER. MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING. LIKE, DO YOU SOMETIMES TAKE A STEP BACK AND BE LIKE, HOW DID THIS ALL HAPPEN TO ME? HOW IS THIS ALL COMING TOGETHER? YOU’RE A FATHER OF TWO. YOU HAVE A LOVING WIFE WHO YOU SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN LOVE WITH. >> AND SHE’S. >> THE BEST. >> BY HER SIDE. WHAT A LIFE THIS IS. I KNOW ALL THAT. >> GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD. EVERYONE GOES. >> THROUGH. >> THEIR THINGS. BUT YOU’VE GOT. >> A LOT. >> OF GREAT THINGS. >> I’M GLAD YOU. YOU BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF GRATITUDE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MY BUDDY CHRIS VAN VLIET IS SO BIG ON GRATITUDE TOO. AND HE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, ENDS HIS INTERVIEWS ON THAT, THAT TOPIC. AND I, I HAD A MOMENT TODAY WHERE I WOKE UP AND I WOKE UP TO ALL THESE TEXTS ABOUT THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN MOVIE TRAILER, WHICH. CONGRATULATIONS ABOUT BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN. AND I’M JUST A SMALLER CHARACTER. I’M NOT LIKE A BIG PART OF IT, BUT IT’S IT’S A BIG MOVIE, AND I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE A GOOD ONE. AND I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO PRAY THIS MORNING AND I COULDN’T REALLY GET IT OUT, LIKE I WAS HAVING TROUBLE PRAYING. AND AND THEN AS I’M HEADED TO THE GYM, I JUST DROPPED TO MY KNEES AND I WAS LIKE, GOD, THANKS FOR LETTING ME BE IN COOL MOVIES. LIKE, JUST LIKE THE ONLY THING I COULD GET OUT OF ME WAS JUST LIKE, THANKS, MAN. LIKE, THANK YOU FOR AWESOME JOBS AND KIND PEOPLE AND A LOVING, COOL WIFE AND COOL KIDS. AND THE FACT THAT I GET TO WRESTLE AND TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO LOVE THE SAME THINGS I LOVE, IT’S JUST A VERY SPOILED EXISTENCE FOR SURE. >> WHAT DO YOU ENJOY MORE ACTING OR WRESTLING DOING? >> WATCHING. >> DOING. >> DOING ? I THINK I CAN I STILL DRINK THAT? >> YEAH, YOU CAN PUT IT. >> ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT THERE. THERE’S LIKE A LITTLE APPLE BOX. WE JUST DIDN’T WANT IT IN THE SHOT. >> PROBABLY GANGSTER. >> OKAY, I, I THINK I LIKE I THINK I LIKE WRESTLING MORE THAN ACTING, WHICH IS HARD TO SAY. >> I COULD SEE THAT. >> YOU’RE STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT. >> WHY IS. >> THAT ? >> I THINK I THINK WHEN I’M ACTING, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT. USUALLY I’VE DONE SOME HOMEWORK AND I’VE KIND OF WRESTLING. STILL FEELS LIKE THAT THING OF LIKE, YOU ARE REALLY. YOU’RE TESTING YOURSELF. IT’S ABOUT MEMORIZATION. IT’S ABOUT THE CHOREOGRAPHY. IT’S ABOUT BEING SAFE WITH SOMEONE. IT’S ABOUT BEING SAFE WITH YOURSELF. IT’S ABOUT RECOGNIZING THE AUDIENCE. LIKE LIKE THEATER OR STAND UP WHILE YOU’RE DOING IT. IT’S IT’S A LOT OF ELEMENTS AT ONCE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK I’VE DONE SO MUCH ACTING THAT RIGHT NOW IT’S A REAL THRILL TO GET TO WRESTLE AND AND KNOW THAT I’M TRYING TO HIT SPOTS AND I’M TRYING TO PROVE I CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS WITH SOME, SOME LEVEL OF ACUMEN. YOU KNOW. >> WHAT’S. >> FUN ABOUT IT IS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO, WE’VE SEEN WRESTLERS BECOME ACTORS. YOU DON’T OFTEN SEE THE ACTORS BECOME WRESTLERS WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THE FEW CAMEOS HERE AND THERE. MOST OF THEM NOT VIEWED IN, AN INCREDIBLE LIGHT. DAVID ARQUETTE, YOU KNOW. >> THE ATHLETES. >> WHO COME OVER WILL SOMETIMES GET LOVE. >> OR THE MUSICIANS. >> HUGH JACKMAN GETS TO PUNCH. YOU KNOW, DOLPH ZIGGLER. YES, OR WHATEVER. >> BUT IT’S NOT LIKE A THING LIKE YOU’RE DOING NOW. >> WHICH. >> IS AMAZING. >> IT’S MINE IS ABOUT IMMERSION AND IT’S ABOUT BEING GENUINE. BY THE WAY, I THINK THERE WAS A MERGING IMMERSION AND GENUINE NATURE IN WHAT DAVID ARQUETTE DID. I THINK IF DAVID ARQUETTE HAD DONE SOME DIFFERENT FILMS AND HE HAD DONE MORE MOVIES LIKE, LIKE SCREAM OR BEAUTIFUL GIRLS AND LESS MOVIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEE SPOT RUN AND STUFF LIKE, HAD HE MADE DIFFERENT CAREER CHOICES? I DON’T KNOW THAT HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ALL THAT FLACK, BUT BECAUSE HE DID SOME SILLY MOVIES, I THINK IT WAS HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GET ON BOARD WITH IT. BUT MY WHOLE THING IS MY DREAM WAS LIKE, CAN I BE PAUL GIAMATTI AND SCOTT NORTON? LIKE, CAN I BE, CAN I BE PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN? AND, YOU KNOW, BAM BAM BIGELOW ? AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS. ALL I KNOW IS I’M TRYING. >> I’M HAVING FUN. >> YOU’RE ON YOUR WAY. WELL, I WOULD. SAY. CORRECT ME IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE. NOT SINCE ANDY KAUFMAN. HAVE WE SEEN AN ACTOR PULL IT OFF THIS. >> WELL. >> BOTH. >> PROBABLY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT THAT APPROVAL STAMP. BUT I KNOW THAT I’VE PUT A LOT OF WORK IN AND I, YOU KNOW, I’VE DONE A BLADE JOB AND BLOOD ALL OVER THE 2,300 ARENA. I HAVE. YOU KNOW, I THE REASON I’M NOT WRESTLING RIGHT NOW HAS LESS TO DO WITH WORKING AN ACTING JOB, AND MORE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I HAD A CT SCAN AND FOUND OUT I WAS INJURED AND I HAD TO STOP BECAUSE I JUST WENT A LITTLE TOO HARD IN THE PAINT. >> OH. >> WHAT WAS. >> WRONG? >> WELL, I HAD TWO EXPERIENCES. ONE WAS I’M AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER AT MLW AND PART OF THE ROSTER THERE WHERE I SOMETIMES TAG TEAM WITH PAUL LONDON, WHO’S ONE OF MY TRAINERS, MY LEAD TRAINER. I’VE HAD AND, AND I TOOK PART IN A IN A SORT OF LIKE A BATTLE ROYALE TYPE THING CALLED BATTLE RIOT. AND IT’S 40 MEN, YOU KNOW, EVERY MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF OR SO. AND I WAS IN THE MATCH, AND EVEN THOUGH I HAD BEEN ELIMINATED, I’M STILL FIGHTING WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS FACTION ON THE OUTSIDE THAT WE HAD BEEN IN A STORY WITH FOR A LONG TIME. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO HAVE WRESTLING IS ABOUT MOMENTS, RIGHT? WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT. YOU KNOW, BRET HART, A LOT OF REALLY SMART GUYS AND GALS HAVE SAID THIS IN THE BUSINESS. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE NOT GOING TO REMEMBER MY MATCHES, I DON’T THINK. BUT BUT THEY WILL REMEMBER MOMENTS. AND I WANTED A MOMENT. SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, I’M GOING TO I’M GOING TO SET. I TOLD COURT BAUER AND THE BRASS AT MLW, I’M GOING TO SET UP A LADDER. I’M GOING TO DO AN ELBOW DROP OFF THROUGH THE TABLE. AND THEY’RE KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOT SUPER THRILLED ABOUT IT, BUT WE’RE GOING TO LET HIM DO HIS THING. AND IT CAME OFF QUITE NICELY. I WAS REALLY HAPPY WITH IT AND IT WAS A GREAT MOMENT. WE GOT THE HOLY CHANT. WE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. >> THAT’S THE BEST. >> THAT’S THE BEST LAYING THERE. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW MUCH PAIN YOU’RE IN HEARING. LIKE A 800 PEOPLE YELLING HOLY TOGETHER IS REALLY NICE. >> HERE IT IS. >> YEAH. >> I THINK THIS WAS I THINK THIS WAS SHOT BY O’SHEA JACKSON JR.. >> IT WAS? YEAH. O’SHEA WAS IN THE CROWD. >> LOOK AT THAT. >> THE SLO MO. >> YOU GOT THE SLO MO. >> AND SO DID YOU HURT. >> YOURSELF.? >> THAT RIGHT THERE I MEAN, I LANDED REALLY WELL. I WAS HAPPY WITH WHERE I LANDED WITH THE ELBOW, BUT I GOT A HEMATOMA IN MY RIGHT BUTT CHEEK. >> OH, GOSH. >> SO I HAD SOMETHING THE SIZE OF LEGITIMATELY THE SIZE OF, LIKE, A, LIKE A STRESS BALL, LIKE THAT BIG STICKING OUT OF MY. AND AND IT WAS VERY AWKWARD. IT WAS LIKE, HARD TO SIT AND STUFF AND, LIKE, LITERALLY MY WIFE WAS LIKE, DUDE, LIKE, YOUR WHOLE THING IS BRUISED. I’LL SEND A PHOTO IF YOU WANT TO POST IT. IT’S REALLY FUNNY, BUT IT’S OF LIKE JUST PART OF MY HIP AND IT’S LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT COLORS IN THIS BRUISE. SO I HAD A HEMATOMA FROM THAT. AND THEN A WEEK LATER I FOUGHT IN VEGAS AND WON THE PROTEUS CHAMPIONSHIP. WITH PROGRESS WRESTLING OUT OF THE UK. AND IN THAT MATCH, SIMON MILLER BROKE UP A PIN. AFTER I GOT PILE DRIVED BY ADAM PRIEST. THIS TREMENDOUS WRESTLER WHO LIVES IN THE SOUTH AND OH YEAH, THAT’S ME. THERE’S THE. >> TITLE, RIGHT? >> THE FINISH. IT’S A STRAIGHT JACKET FLATLINER I CALL IT THE HOUSE ARREST. A U.S. ARREST. >> IT’S FANTASTIC. >> AND AND WHEN SIMON MILLER LEAPT ON TO ADAM AND MY BODY LIKE A DOGPILE, I HEARD A CRUNCH. OH, I WAS LIKE, OH, AND IT’S HAPPENED BEFORE BOBBY FISH COVERED ME. ONE TIME I HEARD A CRACK. IT WAS LIKE, OH NO. OH, GOD, THIS SUCKS. SO I GOT A CT SCAN, FOUND OUT I HAD FOR ACUTE RIB FRACTURES. OH GEEZ. AND I HAD BURSITIS IN MY RIGHT SHOULDER FROM CATCHING A GUY DOING A MOONSAULT. SO IT WAS JUST LIKE I WENT ALL OUT AND I WAS PROUD OF THE THINGS I DID. AND I, YOU KNOW, I TOOK AND GAVE AND WITH WITH GREAT COMMITMENT. BUT I GOT I GOT SCREWED UP, I GOT MY BODY WAS PRETTY EFFED UP. SO I’M JUST TAKING TIME OFF TO HEAL. AND MY WIFE’S GOING TO HAVE OUR NEW CHILD. AND THEN I AM SET TO MAKE MY RETURN EARLY AUGUST WITH A COMPANY CALLED SOUTHERN HONOR WRESTLING. >> OKAY. >> SO YOU’RE NOT DONE? >> NO. GOD, NO. NOT EVEN CLOSE. >> OKAY, OKAY. >> OKAY, I’M GONNA BE DOING THIS UNTIL I’M, LIKE, 52, 55 OR SOMETHING. >> ANYONE ON YOUR TEAM SAY, LIKE, YO, MAN, LIKE YOU PROVED YOUR POINT. >> OF COURSE. YEAH. THEY’RE LIKE, DUDE, CHILL OUT. >> YEAH YEAH YEAH. >> YEAH YEAH. MY BOY, BRIAN WALSH, WHO’S MY RIDE OR DIE ON MY TEAM. >> GET THE TABLES. >> MY MANAGER GET THE TABLES. HE HE’S A WRESTLING FAN. HE, HE GOT ROMAN REIGNS. HIS FIRST ROLE IN THAT HOBBS AND SHAW MOVIE. WOW I’M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TRY TO LIE AND TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT. BUT BRIAN WALSH WAS THE ONE WHO CALLED AND EMAILED MARY LOU’S CASTING OFFICE AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THE ROCK HAS LIKE A DISTANT RELATIVE WHO’D BE PERFECT FOR THIS ROLE, RIGHT? HE WAS THE ONE THAT GOT ROMAN. THAT PART. >> AND THIS IS YOUR AGENT. >> THIS IS MY MANAGER. >> MANAGER? >> YEAH, HE WAS MY MANAGER’S ASSISTANT. THEN HE BECAME AN AGENT. BECAME MY FIRST AGENT, AND THEN HE WENT BACK TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT I. THAT I HAD LEFT. AND I WENT BACK TO THAT MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO FOLLOW HIM. AND THEN I WENT WITH CAA ONTO MY PEOPLE AT CAA KEPT LEAVING AND I WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THIS DOESN’T FEEL GOOD. I’M GONNA I JUST SIGNED WITH WME, OKAY? BECAUSE I HAD WORKED WITH WAHLBERG AND MATT DAMON ON DIFFERENT MOVIES AND THEY’RE LIKE, DUDE, ARE WME GUYS DIG YOU? YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULD TALK TO THEM. >> AND SO YOUR INSIDE JOKE WITH HIM, I THINK IS LIKE, WHEN YOU GUYS GET A BIG GIG OR SOMETHING, YOU SAY, GET THE TABLES, RIGHT? >> YEAH, NO REFERENCING. >> OF LIKE. >> DUDLEY’S LIKE IT’S HAPPENING, GET THE TABLES. YEAH, WE’RE DOING IT. >> YOU KNOW, THIS. >> IS HOW HARDCORE YOU ARE. >> IT’S A HYPE THING. YEAH, YEAH. AND SO I FIT IT INTO MY ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES OR WHATEVER. WHENEVER I’M . WHENEVER. >> YES. WHEN YOU WANT. WHEN YOU WON YOUR EMMY, YOU MENTIONED. >> THAT GLOBE. >> AND GLOBE AND YOU MENTIONED CARDONA. >> YEAH. CARDONA I WAS JUST TRYING TO SELL SEATS. I WAS DOING A I WAS DOING A WRESTLING REVOLVER. >> TO. >> FILL THE HOUSE. >> AS THEY SAY. >> I MEAN, THAT’S THE THAT’S THE IDEA IS LIKE, HOW DO YOU TRY TO BE ADVANTAGEOUS AND USE YOUR SPOTLIGHT TO HELP THE BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE DIRECTLY INVOLVED? AND SO I, I THREW CARDONA IN THERE WHERE I’M TALKING ABOUT JESUS HAVING MY SOUL. AND I’M LIKE, JESUS IS THE SOLE OWNER. I OWN THE BODY. IT’S ABOUT TO BEAT MATT CARDONA AND, AND AND PEOPLE WERE HITTING UP CARDONA BEING LIKE, YO, HOW’S HE JUST SAID YOUR NAME ON THE EMMYS? YEAH. WHAT’S GOING ON? BUT IT IS ME TRYING TO SELL SEATS. I JUST AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHETHER IT’S WRESTLING REVOLVER OR MSW, WHERE I’VE KIND OF PLANTED MY FLAG, I JUST, I WANT TO TRY TO HELP THE BUSINESS AND GET EYES ON THE PRODUCT. >> SO. >> SO YOU GREW UP LIKE A LOT OF US AS A, AS A, AS A FAN, AS A KID. CLASH OF CHAMPIONS WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU KIND OF FELL IN LOVE, RIGHT? >> YEAH. CLASH OF CHAMPIONS WAS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE FOR THOSE THAT DON’T KNOW, THAT WAS LIKE A FREE PAY-PER-VIEW. YEAH, THEY WOULD THROW LIKE A PAY-PER-VIEW STYLE CARD FOR FREE ON TBS. AND I SAW THAT AND, AND I SAW THE JUXTAPOSITION OF EL GIGANTE, WHO’S LIKE 7÷ TALL , PERUVIAN GUY OR WHATEVER, UP AGAINST LIKE ARN ANDERSON, WHO KIND OF JUST LOOKS LIKE YOUR FRIEND’S DAD. YEAH, YOUR FRIEND’S ANGRY DAD. >> YEAH. >> BALD SPOT AND ALL. >> YEAH. AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WAS FASCINATED BY THESE TWO FIGHTING. IT WASN’T LIKE IT DIDN’T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I WAS LIKE, THIS NORMAL GUY’S THE VILLAIN. BUT THE SCARY LOOKING GUY IS THE FACE. YOU KNOW, THE HEEL AND THE BABYFACE. SO THAT KIND OF GOT ME LOCKED IN. ARN ANDERSON IS STILL LIKE IN MY TOP FIVE FAVORITE WRESTLERS OF ALL TIME. WOW. I THINK HE’S INCREDIBLE AND CRIMINALLY UNDERSUNG. HE WAS GREAT ON THE MIC WHEN RIC FLAIR BROUGHT LEVITY AND INSANITY . ARN ANDERSON COULD GROUND A PROMO AND MAKE YOU BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, MUCH IN THE WAY THAT BRET HART DID. AND THE SPINEBUSTER AND DDT WERE JUST PATENTED. HE DID IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN A WAY THAT YOU SAID. THAT’S THE ARN ANDERSON ONE, SO I GOT INVESTED IN WCW EARLY ON THE ROSTER AT THE TIME IN THE EARLY 90s WAS OUTLANDISH. I MEAN, YOU IT WAS A REVOLVING DOOR. SOME FOLKS DIDN’T STAY VERY LONG, BUT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT LIKE EARLY 90s WCW. IT WAS THE STEINER BROTHERS AND IT WAS STING AND RICK RUDE AND JAKE THE SNAKE ROBERTS AND VADER AND RIC FLAIR AND ARN ANDERSON AND DAVEY BOY SMITH AND SID AND JUST LIKE AN OUTLANDISH AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD GREAT CAREERS. >> SO YOU WERE MORE OF A WCW GUY THAN A THAN A WWF? >> YEAH. ALL MY FRIENDS WERE LIKE HARDCORE WWF. LIKE I WAS. >> WCW BECAUSE I GREW UP IN MICHIGAN, RIGHT? >> I GREW UP IN MICHIGAN, BUT MY UNCLE, WHO GOT ME INTO WRESTLING, MY MOM’S BROTHER, ROBERT ZIFF, HE HE LIKE, GOT ME HOOKED ON WCW. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE HE’S FROM THE SOUTH. HE’S FROM HE WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS WCW TERRITORY. AND ALL MY FRIENDS WERE LIKE HARDCORE, LIKE ALL ABOUT ULTIMATE WARRIOR AND THE BUSHWHACKERS AND HOGAN AND I WOULD PLAY WITH THE TOYS AND STUFF, BUT I LIKE DIDN’T KNOW THOSE CHARACTERS. >> DURING. >> THE MONDAY NIGHT WARS. WERE YOU A WCW. >> GUY? >> WERE YOU WATCHING. >> NIGHT WARS? I WAS A WCW GUY. >> WOW. >> BUT I STARTED TO DROP OFF LATE 98, EARLY 99. LIKE I LOVED. I LOVED STING, HE’S MY NUMBER 1 OF ALL TIME. >> ALL TIME. ALL TIME. >> EVER MET HIM? >> YEAH, I WAS AT HIS LAST MATCH. >> WOW. >> I TEXTED HIM ON FATHER’S DAY. HIM AND MY BUDDY GILBERT, WHO REPRESENTS HIM FOR BOOKING. >> IS THAT SURREAL THAT YOU CAN. >> TEXT? YEAH. >> STEVE BORDEN. >> WEIRD JUST BEING LIKE. >> WHAT UP? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> AND I SAID SOMETHING FUNNY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIDS ARE LUCKY THAT THEY CAN LEARN HOW TO BE GOOD MEN AND AND CHOREOGRAPH VIOLENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I, YOU KNOW, STING WAS MY GUY. AND THEN THE NWO THING WAS A VERY BIG DEAL. I REMEMBER LISTENING TO BASH AT THE BEACH 96 OVER LIKE MY TV. THAT WAS ALL FUZZY BECAUSE I COULDN’T AFFORD THE PAY-PER-VIEW. >> OH, WOW. >> DO IT THE WAY. LIKE A KID IN THE 1950s WOULD LISTEN TO A BALL GAME ON. >> THE RADIO. >> OR BOXING. >> YEAH, YEAH. AND I WAS CRYING. I WAS I WAS CRYING MY EYES OUT WHEN WHEN HOGAN TURNED HEEL. >> I WAS LIKE, WOW. >> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR WCW? SO I LOVE THOSE FIRST THOSE FIRST COUPLE YEARS OF THE MONDAY NIGHT WARS. BUT BY BY 98, 99, THE ONLY GOOD THING WCW, THE ONLY THING I REALLY LIKED WAS LIKE I WAS A FAN OF THE TRIAD, WHICH WAS DDP. BAM BAM BIGELOW AND KANYON AND STING. BY THAT POINT THEY HAD HIM FIGHTING LIKE VAMPIRO AND I WAS LIKE, I’M NOT INTO THIS. THE NWO HAD FIZZLED OUT. NASH WAS DOING THE FINGERPOKE OF DOOM ON AND IT. >> WAS LIKE., THIS SUCKS. >> SO THAT 99 IS WHEN I WAS LIKE, OH , YOU KNOW, CONNECTICUT JUST GOT JERICHO, CONNECTICUT. LIKE, THERE WAS THAT NBA STYLE SWING. >> YEAH. >> OF ALL THESE GREAT PLAYERS LEAVING LEAVING THE BENCH DOWN SOUTH TO COME BE STARTING, YOU KNOW, POINT GUARDS IN CONNECTICUT. AND SUDDENLY WE GOT EDDIE GUERRERO JERICHO, SATURN, DEAN MALENKO, CHRIS BENOIT AND THE BIG SHOW. THAT ALL HAPPENED WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF’S TIME. >> AND SO NOW YOU’RE ALL IN. NOW YOU. THERE WAS A PERIOD WHERE YOU, LIKE, GOT OUT OF WRESTLING., RIGHT? >> YEAH. I DIDN’T REALLY WATCH IT MUCH FROM, I WOULD SAY, 2005 TO ABOUT. >> I WAS THE SAME WAY. BY THE WAY, ONCE THEY GOT INTO LIKE THE BRAND SPLIT AND ALL THAT, IT JUST SOMETHING, SOMETHING FELT OFF POST WCW PURCHASE. >> YEAH, YEAH, I WASN’T REALLY INTO THE WAY THEY UTILIZED WCW GUYS AND I THINK, I THINK THE FACT THAT BOOKER NEVER GOT THE WORLD TITLE IS GARBAGE. HE SHOULD HAVE BEAT TRIPLE H. I HATE THAT, I THINK. >> I LOVE THIS. >> I THINK STING WAS BRILLIANT FOR NOT SIGNING BECAUSE HE KNEW WELL THAT VINCE WAS NEVER GOING TO MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD. >> YEAH, HE WAS. >> GOING. >> TO GET BURIED. >> HE KNEW HE KNEW AND HE WAS PROVEN RIGHT. LOOK AT ALL THESE YEARS LATER, IT’S NOT LIKE VINCE BECAME A BETTER GUY IN ANYONE’S EYES. SURE. SO IT’S IT’S A MATTER OF. IT’S A MATTER OF THAT. AND THEN THE ROSTER GOT A LITTLE TOO BLOATED, TOO, LIKE EVENTUALLY IT WAS JUST LIKE THERE WERE 9,000 GUYS WHO JUST HAD A NAME AND SOME TATTOOS AND DIDN’T HAVE A GIMMICK. AND SO I STOPPED. I STOPPED CARING IN THE LATE AUGHTS. >> HOW DO YOU GET BACK. >> IN? >> WHAT BROUGHT ME BACK IN WAS HONESTLY LIKE, I STARTED WATCHING TNA AND ROH AND LIKE 2011. WOW. SO I’M WATCHING LIKE THE BRISCOE BROTHERS FIGHTING, YOU KNOW, SAMI ZAYN, WHAT’S HIS REAL EL GENERICO? AND KEVIN STEEN? KEVIN OWENS, AND THEN ON TNA, I’M WATCHING LIKE THE YOUNG BUCKS WHO WENT BY GENERATION ME. THEY WERE FIGHTING BEER MONEY AND THE MOTOR CITY MACHINE GUNS, AND I WAS LIKE, I WAS LIKE, THESE, THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE I’VE NEVER HEARD OF. AND THEY’RE ALL UNBELIEVABLE. THEY’RE YOUNG, BUT THEY’RE WRESTLING LIKE THEY’VE HAD LIKE 20 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS. AND AND OF COURSE, THESE WOULD LATER COME TO BE LIKE MAIN EVENTER. >> YEAH. >> MASSIVE MULTI-MILLIONAIRE PEOPLE. GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED. BUT I GOT INTO IT FROM TNA AND ROH AND THEN I STARTED WATCHING 2012. I GOT BACK INTO WWE AND THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS LIKE NEXUS BEATING UP JOHN CENA AND CM PUNK DOING THE PIPE BOMB, AND I WAS THAT. THAT GOT ME BACK IN. >> WHEN YOU WERE A KID, DID YOU EVER WANT TO BE A PRO WRESTLER AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTOR? >> ALWAYS. I PUT IT IN EVERY YEARBOOK BLURB, EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNEW I WAS GOING TO AT LEAST PURSUE WHETHER I MAKE IT OR NOT. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, YET TO BE SEEN. BUT I TOLD EVERYBODY, I’M GOING TO BE A WRITER, DIRECTOR, PRODUCER, ACTOR AND GET INTO WRESTLING. >> DID YOU. TRY LIKE, DID YOU EVER GET FAR? DID YOU GO TO A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING? >> WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, I. I TOOK THERE WAS A THING CALLED ROADRUNNER, BAY COUNTY, ROADRUNNER WRESTLING, AND IT WAS LIKE A BUNCH OF KIDS GOING TO THIS GYM IN BAY CITY, MICHIGAN, WHERE THE STEINER BROTHERS USED TO TRAIN. AND IT WAS LIKE GRECO-ROMAN LIKE. AND THIS GUY, BOB WOLF, WHO WAS ALWAYS LIKE KIND OF LIKE AN UNCLE FIGURE TO ME. HE HE BROUGHT ME WITH HIS SON AND WAS LIKE, YOU SHOULD TRY WRESTLING. YOU KNOW, AND, AND ME AND HIS SON BRANDON HAD PLAYED FLAG FOOTBALL TOGETHER. AND HE’S LIKE, YOU’RE A BIG GUY. LIKE, YOU SHOULD TRY THIS. AND I JUST KEPT GETTING SMOKED AND I WASN’T I WASN’T REALLY INTO IT. I THINK I WAS LIKE, WHERE’S THE SHOWMANSHIP? WHERE’S THE LIKE, WHERE’S THE ACTING PART OF WRESTLING? WHY DO I HAVE TO KNOW THIS? LIKE, HEADLOCK HOLD? AND WHY DOES THIS HURT LIKE HELL AND WHAT YOU KNOW. AND SO I KIND OF, LIKE, FELL OUT OF IT VERY QUICKLY. ANYTHING THAT, LIKE, HURT OR WAS HARD, I WAS LIKE, PEACING OUT OF AS A KID. PIANO LESSONS, WRESTLING, FOOTBALL. AND I REGRET THAT. BUT BUT NOW, AT A LATER AGE, I’M A MUCH STRONGER PERSON MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY THAN I WAS AS A KID. >> YOUR FIRST TASTE OF IT WAS THE SMACKDOWN APPEARANCE IN 2019, RIGHT? LIKE WHERE YOU’RE ON CAMERA AT A WRESTLING. >> SHOW. >> YOU THOUGH, IF YOU WATCH MONDAY NITRO FROM SAGINAW, MICHIGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 1997, YOU CAN SEE ME STANDING BEHIND RAVEN WHILE HE GETS INTERVIEWED. >> SICK. >> SECOND ROW ON ON SCREEN WITH MEAN GENE OKERLUND AND ME LIP SYNCING THE DISCO INFERNO. >> OH, WOW. >> THEME SONG AND TONY SCHIAVONE GOING, OH, THERE’S A LITTLE DISCO FAN REALLY? WELL, IT’S LIKE A CLOSE UP ON ME. >> YOU GOT. >> THAT GOING. >> LIKE. >> THAT’S AMAZING. >> WHAT’S FUNNY NOW IS, LIKE, I JUST SHARED A LOCKER ROOM WITH TONY SCHIAVONE AT AEW RECENTLY, AND IT WAS SO BIZARRE TO BE LIKE THE VOICE OF MY CHILDHOOD. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> CHEWING GUM NEXT TO ME. IT’S CRAZY. BUT YEAH, NO. 2019. I DID SOME LITTLE SMACKDOWN. >> HOW DID THAT. >> HAPPEN? >> I’M SURE IT WAS ME TELLING MY PR PEOPLE LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU HOOK UP SOME TICKETS TO SMACKDOWN? THEY’RE LIKE, YEAH, WE’LL INTERVIEW YOU FOR LIKE WWE OR SOMETHING. >> WHEN YOU’RE IN THE BACK THOUGH. LIKE, FOR ME, I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I GOT TO GO BACKSTAGE. I HAVEN’T BEEN BACK MANY TIMES, BUT IT FELT LIKE I WAS IN A FORBIDDEN LAND, LIKE I WAS SO TAKEN BY JUST WATCHING HOW EVERYONE MOVES AND THE CONVERSATIONS. AND JUST LIKE THE THE, THE FLOW OF BACKSTAGE, I WAS I WAS INTOXICATED BY IT. I FOUND IT FASCINATING. WERE YOU THE SAME. >> WAY? >> I WAS THAT WAY MORE SO WITH MLW AND AEW BECAUSE WWE JUST SEEMS VERY IT’S STILL GOT THE BIG CORPORATE FEEL WHERE EVERYBODY SEEMS SUPER SERIOUS AND IS BUSY. AND IF YOU’RE NOT IMPORTANT TO THEM, THEY’RE KIND OF GIVING YOU A BAD LOOK. THAT WAS THE VIBE I GOT. GOT IT. I’M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY ELSE, WHEREAS WHEN I WENT BACKSTAGE AT AEW, IT WAS LIKE WHEN I DID THIS BIT WITH JEFF JARRETT, WHERE HE ENDED. >> UP THE GUITAR SHOT. >> YEAH, THAT WAS GNARLY. THAT, I MEAN, THEY KNEW THAT I WAS GAME FOR WHATEVER, SO THEY DIDN’T REALLY NEED MY PERMISSION. THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT WITH IT. BUT I WHEN I DID THE JEFF JARRETT THING, THAT WAS THE THING WHERE LIKE I GOT TO ACTUALLY STAND AROUND TALKING TO LEGENDS AND PEOPLE ARE WEIGHING IN ON THE SEGMENT AND THE CONVERSATION AND, AND I’M SEEING THE SAUSAGE MADE WITH PEOPLE SEWING COSTUMES. I LOVE THAT SPORTS MASSAGE. SOMEBODY’S DOING THEIR MAKEUP. AND I WAS LIKE, THAT WAS THAT WAS LIKE THE BIG PEEK BEHIND THE CURTAIN. AND THEN MLW WAS LIKE, YOU’RE PART OF THE ROSTER NOW. LIKE YOU’RE WALKING BACK THERE AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE EXPECTED OF YOU. GO DO A MEET AND GREET, THEN COME IN AND DO THIS PROMO. WE’RE GOING TO DO THIS PRE-TAPED THING AND THEN WE NEED TO GET THESE PHOTOS. YOU. IT FELT LIKE KIND OF LIKE BEING AN ACTOR WHERE IT’S LIKE, OH SNAP, I GOT TO GO TO THE HAIR AND MAKEUP TRAILER. THEN I GOT TO DO THE EPK INTERVIEW. THEN I GOT TO SHOOT THIS AND DO A VOICEOVER. AND IT WAS IT WAS PRETTY CRAZY. >> AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE STORY IS THERE’S THIS SORT OF LIKE BENEFIT SHOW FOR, FOR THE FIRES IN HAWAII. AND YOU’RE ASKED AND YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE JUST GOING TO LIKE, SIGN SOME AUTOGRAPHS AND TAKE SOME PICTURES. >> YEAH. SAMI CALLIHAN REACHED OUT TO ME AND I WAS WE’RE MUTUAL FANS OF EACH OTHER. AND AND I SAID HE SAID DO YOU WANT TO HELP WITH THIS FUNDRAISER. AND I SAID OF COURSE. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE ME. YOU KNOW, DOING SELFIES FOR 25 BUCKS IN EACH. >> YEAH. >> EVERY DOLLAR GOES TO THE FIRE. AND THEN HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO BE IN A MATCH? AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I MEAN I’VE ALWAYS WANTED TO I DON’T KNOW IF I’M READY THOUGH. AT THAT TIME I’D ONLY TAKEN A GRAND TOTAL OF 8 HOURS WORTH OF CLASSES. BUT I SAID YES, FEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON’T WANT TO LOSE OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I HAD A TEN MINUTE MATCH WITH THIS GUY, MATTHEW PALMER, WHO HAS SINCE BECOME A FRIEND OF MINE AND AND HE’S BEEN THE BUSINESS FOREVER. REALLY GREAT WORKER, KNOWS HOW TO MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD, KNOWS HOW TO SELL AND AND WE HAD THIS MATCH IN FRONT OF ABOUT 900 TO 1,000 PEOPLE, MAYBE IN GLENDALE, CALIFORNIA, AT THE UKRAINIAN CENTER THERE OR WHATEVER IT’S CALLED. AND AND THEN I SENT THAT MATCH AROUND TO WRESTLING FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DP’S. AND I’M BUDDIES WITH, YOU KNOW, EDGE AND CHRISTIAN AND THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE. WHEN I WAS SENDING IT AROUND, SHOWING PEOPLE, THEY WERE ALL LIKE, THIS IS YOUR FIRST MATCH? I WAS LIKE, YEAH. AND THEY GO, IT’S PRETTY GOOD FOR A FIRST MATCH. I DON’T THINK MY FIRST MATCH LOOKED LIKE THAT. I DON’T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DID. I WAS LIKE, WELL, YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE SAID THAT BECAUSE NOW, NOW I’M I’M DELUSIONAL AS HELL AND THINKING I CAN DO IT. AND I STARTED TAKING MORE CLASSES WITH PAUL LONDON, GOT LINKED UP TO FLW THROUGH SAMI CALLIHAN, AND THE REST IS HISTORY. I’VE JUST BEEN TAKING BOOKINGS AND TRYING TO MAKE MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. >> AND. >> THAT WAS LATE 23, RIGHT? >> NOVEMBER 2023. >> YEAH. AND SO SO WHEN YOU’RE NAMED EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF MLW, HOW INVOLVED ARE YOU IN. THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS? >> SO THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, NOT SO MUCH. BUT MY THING IS I AM TRYING TO LEAD US INTO THE NEXT LIKE ITERATION OF. >> WHICH IS. >> WHAT, BECAUSE MLW HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A MINUTE, RIGHT? >> IT’S BEEN AROUND FOR A MINUTE. THEY HAD A REALLY FUN, STORIED HISTORY WITH GUYS LIKE TERRY FUNK AND A CM PUNK, AND YOUNG PAUL LONDON, DUSTY RHODES FOUGHT THERE. I MEAN, LIKE THEIR THEIR LIBRARY HAS SOME REALLY COOL STUFF, BUT THEY OF COURSE WHEN CAUGHT WENT TO WWE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND MADE HIS NOISE UP THERE AND DID WELL FOR HIMSELF, MLW FELL BY THE WAYSIDE. THEN IT WAS LIKE A PODCAST FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHEN IT CAME BACK, I THINK 2017, A LOT OF GUYS LOOKED AT IT LIKE, OH, THIS IS LIKE A PLACE WHERE I CAN KIND OF LIKE FLEX. I DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER TO 10,000 DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND YOU, OF COURSE, HAD AN EMERGING MJF. DARBY ALLEN, JACOB FATU, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAD A BIG RUN IN MSW AND WE’RE CUTTING THEIR TEETH, AND IT’S BEEN COOL TO SEE THEM SINCE. MY, MY HOPE FOR MSW, MY WHOLE DESIRE IS LET’S GET A TV DEAL, LET’S GET SOME SORT OF STREAMING DEAL, LET’S GET THE LIBRARY UP ON SOMETHING, BE IT A FAST CHANNEL, WHATEVER, AND AND LET’S SLOWLY BUT SURELY GET THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD UP, YOU KNOW, A FULL ROSTER AND GET THIS THING GOING. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, LET’S TRY TO PUT EYES ON IT WHEN WE CAN, LIKE MAKING SURE WE INVITED O’SHEA JACKSON TO OUR SHOW OR ME PLAYING MY MOVIE TRAILERS DURING A COMMERCIAL BREAK ON THE PAY-PER-VIEW. JUST TRYING TO INTEGRATE AND FIND CROSS-PROMOTION WHEREVER WE CAN. >> SO HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU INTO THAT JOURNEY AS FAR AS GETTING LIKE, NUMBER 1 HAS TO BE THE STREAMING DEAL, RIGHT? THE TV DEAL, THE STREAMING, THAT’S. >> YEAH, WE’VE I YOU KNOW, I CAN’T SAY TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT’S, IT’S WE’RE STILL FIGURING STUFF OUT. OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE’VE HAD WE’VE HAD A COUPLE OF OFFERS AND WE’VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND WE’RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE IT’S ONE THING FOR SOMEBODY TO THROW YOU SOME MONEY, IT’S ANOTHER TO FIND PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND AND LIKE THE PRODUCT. SO LIKE WE’RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY LIKES WRESTLING AND UNDERSTANDS THE PRODUCT AND WANTS TO SEE IT GROW EXPONENTIALLY, NOT NOT GET SOME KIND OF CHEAPO BUYOUT JUST TO HAVE IT UP OFF OF YOUTUBE. >> SO IN ADDITION TO TO WORKING WITH THEM AND BEING AN EP, YOU ALSO WORK WITH OTHER PROMOTIONS. THAT’S OKAY. >> YEAH. >> LIKE YOU SAID. >> YOUR DEAL. I’VE WORKED OUT WITH BAUER IS, YOU KNOW, MLW IS MY MAINSTAY, BUT I’LL DO LITTLE INDIE DATES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT’S SOUTHERN HONOR WRESTLING IN FRONT OF 500 PEOPLE OR. YEAH, OR IT’S WRESTLING REVOLVER IN FRONT OF 900 PEOPLE AND AND, YOU KNOW, TONY KHAN IS A FRIEND OF MINE, AND TONY AND KURT DO SOME BUSINESS TOGETHER AND SHARE LIKE CMLL, CML, CMLL GUYS FROM MEXICO AND STUFF. SO I FOUND IT PRETTY FRIENDLY IN THAT SENSE. THE ONE THING THAT I TOLD COREY IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WAHLBERG AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING LIKE, WE GOT TO GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO A WRESTLEMANIA MATCH. WE GOT TO. >> LIKE. >> WOW, BECAUSE WAHLBERG AND I DID A MOVIE CALLED BALLS UP. >> YEAH. >> IT COMES OUT NEXT YEAR. I DON’T KNOW WHEN OR HOW NECESSARILY, BUT IT’S A TWO HANDER COMEDY AND WAHLBERG KNOWS I’M OBSESSED WITH WRESTLING, AND HE’S LIKE, I JUST SPOKE TO ARI, BRO. LIKE, MAYBE WE’RE GONNA GET YOU THAT MATCH. MAYBE WE GOT TO DO BLAH BLAH BLAH. AND I’M LIKE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF I ASSUME HE’S HALF JOKING, BUT BUT I THINK HE’S ALSO KIND OF SERIOUS. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. >> WOULD YOU WANT. >> THAT THAT BRIDGE? YEAH. OF COURSE. WHO WOULDN’T WANT A WRESTLEMANIA MATCH? I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I’M PROMOTING THE MOVIE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS ABOUT GETTING EYEBALLS ON OUR MOVIE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING ENTERTAINING PEOPLE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT’S WHAT I’M DOING. AND BY THE WAY, IF I TAKE A WRESTLEMANIA MATCH AND IT HELPS ME GET MORE EYEBALLS, AWESOME. MLW IS NOT AS PETTY AS THESE OTHER PLACES. I GOT TO SAY. I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT THE COMPANY, BUT ME AND CORT TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT LIKE, IF A WRESTLER FROM ANOTHER COMPANY IS INJURED WHEN WE HAVE OUR STREAMING DEAL, LIKE WE’RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND SAY LIKE PRAYERS UP. YOU CAN SEND SHOUT OUTS TO ROMAN REIGNS OR KENNY OMEGA AT SUCH AND SUCH TWITTER LIKE WISHING YOU WELL AND A SPEEDY RECOVERY LIKE THE IDEA IS NOT TO TRY TO COMPETE BECAUSE THAT’S RIDICULOUS. I DON’T THINK NEWMAN’S OWN SALAD DRESSING WAS LIKE, WE’RE GOING TO BEAT PEPPERIDGE FARM AND WE’RE GOING TO BEAT NABISCO. IT JUST EXISTED AND WAS GOOD, AND THAT’S OKAY. WRESTLING FANS DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS CAN JUST EXIST. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TOPPLE A HIERARCHY OR MONOPOLIZE SOMETHING. SO OUR GOAL IS TO BE THE GUYS WHO PEOPLE DON’T HAVE AS MANY PROBLEMS WITH. EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE OUR PRODUCT, YOU DON’T HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT HOW WE TREAT OTHER PEOPLE. >> SURE, SURE. >> FOR YOU, JUST CURIOUS. LIKE THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. IF IT IS WRESTLEMANIA, WHAT’S THE WHAT’S THE LIKE? THE DREAM SCENARIO? WHAT’S THE MATCH? >> MATCH? YEAH, WRESTLE WRESTLEMANIA OR SUMMERSLAM OR WHATEVER. YEAH, IT WOULD JUST BE. I WOULD LOVE TO WRESTLE THE MIZ AND GIVE HE AND I BOTH ONE OF OUR BEST MATCHES OF ALL TIME THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT. I WOULD WANT IT TO BE AS GOOD AS BAD BUNNY AND DAMIAN PRIEST, AND I KNOW IT CAN BE. IT’S NOT EVEN A QUESTION. HE AND I COULD GO ROUND FOR ROUND AND SHOCK EVERYBODY. HE’S BETTER THAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. HE’S WOEFULLY UNDERAPPRECIATED. AND I THINK THE ASSUMPTION GOING IN IS LIKE, WELL, THEY’RE GOING TO MAKE THE MIZ JOB OUT TO HAUSER SO HOLLYWOOD CAN GET PUT OVER. NOT THE CASE. I WOULDN’T EVEN ALLOW THAT. IT WOULD BE A MATCH MATCH AND IT WOULD BE 12 13 MINUTES OF KILLER. >> I LOVE THAT, I. >> LOVE THAT, I LOVE HOW PASSIONATELY YOU SPEAK OF THIS. WHO HAS DONE IT THE BEST IN YOUR OPINION? LIKE THE CELEBRITY, WHO’S THE BEST ONE TO DO. >> IT? >> IT’S TOUGH TO SAY BECAUSE. I DON’T I DON’T WANT TO GET A BUNCH OF HATE FOR SAYING THIS. I’VE HAD 18 MATCHES. YEAH. AND I AND I’VE WRESTLED FOR FREAKING PENNIES IN FRONT OF 300 PEOPLE. SO MY INVOLVEMENT FEELS DIFFERENT THAN A STEPHEN AND MILLER A BAD BUNNY. I THINK BAD BUNNY FROM LIKE, THE PHYSICAL STANDPOINT HAS FAR AND AWAY DONE THE BEST JOB, BUT HE’S HAD TWO MATCHES. >> RIGHT? >> I, ON THE OTHER HAND, I INTEND TO HAVE 300 MATCHES BY THE TIME I’M DONE DOING THIS. >> YOU DON’T. >> WANT TO JUST BE LIKE A CELEBRITY CAMEO GUY. YOU JUST WANT TO BE A WRESTLER ON THE. >> ROSTER. >> NO, I DON’T I WANT TO BE ONE OF THE BOYS AND I HAVE NO DELUSIONS ABOUT. I’M GOING TO BE WORLD CHAMPION. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPE ALWAYS SAY THEY’RE LIKE, IF YOU’RE NOT IN IT TO BE WORLD CHAMPION. GET THE HELL OUT. IT’S LIKE THE REAL SENTIMENT BEHIND THAT. DON’T TAKE THAT LITERALLY. THE REAL SENTIMENT BEHIND IT IS YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB. SURE. I AGREE THAT YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT TYPE OF A THING. SO I’M TRYING TO DO THE BEST JOB I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE A CERTAIN PROFICIENCY AND ELIGIBILITY IN THE WORLD OF WRESTLING, NO PART OF ME IS LIKE, I’M GONNA BE WORLD CHAMP. IT’S LIKE, I KNOW I WANT TO HAVE A REALLY GREAT MATCH, AND I WANT FANS TO BE LIKE, HOLY, I SAW HAUSER IN THIS MOVIE LAST WEEKEND, AND THEN A WEEK LATER HE’S WRESTLING IN MY SMALL TOWN IN FRONT OF 1,000 PEOPLE, AND I SAW HIM DO A TORNADO DDT, AND HIS HEAD GOT SPLIT OPEN WITH A CHAIR. LIKE, TO ME, THAT’S AWESOME. IF JOHN C REILLY WAS DOING AN INDIE WRESTLING DATE, I WOULD LOSE MY MIND IF I WERE A FAN. SO, YOU KNOW, IT’S IT’S COOL. >> WHAT’S INTERESTING IS AND WE’RE LOOKING AT SOME OF YOUR, YOUR HIGHLIGHTS HERE, COURTESY OF MAJOR LEAGUE WRESTLING. I THINK THIS IS WHEN YOU CAME OUT. >> RIGHT. >> WE GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING IN OCTOBER. I’M GOING TO RETURN TO THUNDER STUDIOS IN NEAR LOS ANGELES. >> I DO LOVE YOUR YOUR RING GEAR AND YOU’RE ALL IN. YOU ACTUALLY LOST SOME WEIGHT COURTESY OF DDP AT ONE POINT, RIGHT? >> YEAH, I WENT 286-246. LOOK AT THAT. WITH THE HELP OF DALLAS PAGE AND HIS DDP SYSTEM . AND AND THEN RECENTLY I GOT DOWN TO LIKE 237, WHICH WAS THE LOWEST I’VE BEEN SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. >> WOW. >> BUT BUT I JUST KIND OF FELL OFF. I GOT SO BUSY THAT I’VE BALLOONED BACK UP. I’M PROBABLY 257 RIGHT NOW, BUT BUT YEAH, ONCE I FINISHED THIS MOVIE, WHICH HAS BEEN PRETTY TAXING, I’M GONNA. THIS MOVIE’S BEEN VERY INTENSE. IT’S A DIFFICULT CHARACTER, AND I’M PRODUCING AS WELL. SO ONCE I FINISHED THIS UP AT THE END OF JUNE, I’M GOING TO GET BACK INTO GO MODE. >> WHAT I THINK IS SO INTERESTING ABOUT THE WAY YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR CAREER IN WRESTLING, YOU CONTINUOUSLY REFERENCE INDIE SHOWS, 500 PEOPLE, 900 PEOPLE. YOU’RE A BIG STAR. YOU’RE A BIG STAR. YOU’VE WON AWARDS. I DON’T NEED, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I’M NOT TRYING TO GLAZE YOU AS THE KIDS LIKE TO SAY, BUT. >> LIKE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT. >> I MEAN? THAT’S FUNNY. >> THE KIDS SAY THAT. YOU’LL SEE WHEN YOUR KIDS GET OLD. MAYBE IT’S NOT A WORD ANYMORE, BUT MIGHT SAY IT. AND SO ARE YOU TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME, BY THE WAY, WITH YOUR GUNS RIGHT NOW? >> BECAUSE I AM INTIMIDATED? >> NO, I JUST FELT VERY WARM WEARING. >> THAT JACKET. >> I AM INTIMIDATING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I WOULDN’T. I LOVE THE DOUBLE ENTENDRE. >> TATTOO THAT I GOTTA FIND TO SEE IT. CAN WE SEE IT? >> THERE IT IS. >> WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS ON CHANDLER TWICE. WHAT? WHAT PROMPTED THAT, BY THE WAY? >> I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS COOL. >> YEAH, IT’S. >> FUNNY AND I THINK I WAS LOOKING AT THERE’S A MOVIE STUDIO CALLED ORIGINAL FILMS, OKAY. AND THEY HAVE A SIMILAR THING WHERE IT’S LIKE THE WORD ON TOP OF THE WORD PLAINLY IN BLOCK LETTERS. AND I, I THINK I APED THAT FOR THE. >> AND WHAT’S THE OTHER ONE SAY. >> THE OTHER. >> THESE ARE MY CHILDHOOD COMEDY HEROES. >> OH, WOW. >> MARTIN SHORT, DANIEL STERN, CHRIS FARLEY, JIM VARNEY, JIM CARREY AND ROBIN WILLIAMS. >> WOW. >> I LOVE. THAT MUCH RESPECT. YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT THE INDIES AND AND A STAR OF YOUR STATURE. >> YEAH. >> COULD SAY LIKE, OH NO, I WANT TO BE AT MSG. I WANT TO BE WITH THE BIG DOGS IN NEW YORK. OR WHY, WHY DOES THE INDIE SCENE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SPEAK TO YOU SO MUCH? >> WELL, THEY’RE KIND OF UNDERSERVED, AREN’T THEY? I MEAN, A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT I’VE WRESTLED IN FRONT OF IN CANTON, GEORGIA, OR . CANTON, GEORGIA, OR SOMEWHERE IN, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE OF IOWA, THEY’RE THEY’RE PAYING LIKE $15 FOR A TICKET OR 20 BUCKS FOR A TICKET. THEY’RE NOT A LOT OF THEM CAN AFFORD OR HAVE ACCESS TO A MADISON SQUARE GARDEN AND PAY 400 BUCKS TO SIT IN THE NOSEBLEED. SO I, I THINK IT’S COOL TO GET TO GO THERE AND DO THAT. AND I ALSO I ALSO JUST THINK IT’S FUN. LIKE I TO ME IT’S NOT ABOUT THE THE SPOTLIGHT. I DON’T WALK INTO THE SPOTLIGHT. THE IDEA IS YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BRING THE SPOTLIGHT. IF YOU’RE AN ACTUAL TALENTED PERSON. >> SURE. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK I’M TRYING TO GIVE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT, TOO. I MEAN, WILL FERRELL DID LIKE A FUNNY OR DIE TOUR WHERE THEY WOULD GO TO COLLEGES AND HE WOULD BRING ALONG NICK SWARDSON AND WILL ARNETT AND ZACH GALIFIANAKIS. IT’S LIKE, TO ME, THAT’S WAY COOLER TO JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF COOL PEOPLE AT A REALLY INTERESTING SETTING. I GUESS DAVE CHAPPELLE, WITH HIS STANDUP, HE’S DOING IT IN SOMEBODY’S BACKYARD IN OHIO. LIKE, THAT’S REALLY COOL. YOU KNOW. >> WHAT TYPE OF CARROT? FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, THAT MAY BE JUST KNOW YOU AS THE ACTOR. WHAT TYPE OF CHARACTER ARE YOU? DO YOU PLAY THE SAME GUY. >> I WAS PLAYING MYSELF RIGHT NOW? YEAH. THERE’S NO REAL CHARACTER. >> NO, NO, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN ON TV FOR MSW, LIKE, ARE YOU A HEEL? ARE YOU A FACE? >> I’M A BABYFACE PLAYING MYSELF IN MSW. >> YOU JUST. >> YOU PLAY THE ACTOR. >> I GO BY PAUL WALTER HAUSER. >> YEAH. >> YEAH, VERY, VERY BLANKET THAT. AND THAT’S INTENTIONAL. I THINK STRATEGICALLY THERE’S MORE GRACE GIVEN TO ME BECAUSE IT’S NOT ME SAYING, LIKE, I’M THE COWBOY JOHN ELLIOTT. >> SURE. >> SURE, SURE. >> IT’S LIKE ME SAYING IT’S ME IS TELLING THEM LIKE I’M NOT REALLY A WRESTLER YET. LIKE I’M AN ACTOR TRYING TO BECOME A WRESTLER. SORT OF LIKE DWAYNE DOING, YOU KNOW, THE RUNDOWN. IT’S LIKE, YEAH, GREAT MOVIE, BUT IT’S NOT LIKE HE’S WINNING AN AWARD FROM THE RUNDOWN. LIKE, I’M NOT GOING TO WIN A DAVE MELTZER STAR FOR WHAT I’M DOING AT WRESTLING REVOLVER, BUT I’M DOING IT. SO THAT’S THE FIRST FORAY, AND THERE WILL I’M WORKING ON SOMETHING RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE A BIT OF A DEPARTURE FROM ME BEING ME. >> OH. >> AND THAT ITERATION WILL BE COMING IN THE NEXT YEAR. I DON’T TOTALLY KNOW WHEN. >> OKAY, INTERESTING. >> IS STILL BAKING. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> I LIKE I’M STILL DIPPING MY SPOON IN AND TASTING IT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT ELSE DOES THIS NEED, YOU KNOW. >> DID YOU FEEL ESPECIALLY EARLY ON THAT YOU WERE ACCEPTED BY THE BOYS IN THE. >> BACK? >> SOME? >> DID YOU FEEL HEAT FROM SOME OR FRICTION OR COLDNESS? >> THE ONES I FELT FRICTION AND HEAT FROM. >> THEIR IS OUT. YOU FIRE THEM? NO. >> I’M KIDDING. >> WHY DO YOU THINK I’M EXECUTIVE PRODUCER? >> YEAH. >> HEY, IT’S GONNA PUKE. >> YEAH. NO. >> THAT’S A GREAT. THAT’S FENCE. >> BE ON THE MAT . ONE OF THE ALL. >> TIME GREAT. FULL BEYOND. >> THE MAT. YEAH. NO, I LOVE THAT. >> I LOVE. >> THAT SCENE. IT LIKE 12. >> TIMES ME TO WRESTLING WITH SHADOWS. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT ONE? >> OF COURSE. >> I HAVE ONE OF THE ALL TIME. >> BEST. >> IT WAS GONNA DO LONESOME DOVE. AND THEN I. >> THAT’S AMAZING. >> THAT’S MY GUY, BY THE WAY. HE’S MY FAVORITE OF ALL TIME. >> HE’S. HE’S IN MY RUSHMORE. >> HE’S IN YOUR. >> MY RUSHMORE. GOES STING. THEN. BRET. YEAH. THEN RICK. YEP. AND THEN JERICHO. >> JERICHO. HOW DO WE GET THERE? I LOVE HIM, FELLOW CANADIAN, BUT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE HIM THERE. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE NOWADAYS HATE HIM BECAUSE IT’S LIKE HIS WIFE VOTED FOR TRUMP OR SOMETHING. >> NO, NO, I DON’T CARE ABOUT THAT. I JUST THINK HE LIKE HE DOESN’T USUALLY. NO, I MEAN LIONHEART, CHRIS JERICHO, Y2J’S INCREDIBLE. >> I MEAN, LET’S TAKE 30s TO GO THROUGH THE CAREER. >> OKAY? >> PROVING HIMSELF CANADIAN, CANADIAN STAMPEDE LIKE WRESTLING THE HART DUNGEON OR WHATEVER. MEXICO, JAPAN , WCW CREATES AN AMAZING CHARACTER IN WCW WHERE HE’S SUPER OBNOXIOUS FROM LIKE 97, 98, HAS THE HAS THE GOLDBERG, GILLBERG THING? YEAH. HAS RALPHUS HIS MANAGER BANGERS WITH DEAN MALENKO AND EDDIE GUERRERO AND ALL THESE GUYS COMES TO WWF. ONE OF THE GREAT POPS OF ALL TIME IS IS BREAK THE WALLS DOWN. JERICHO SHOWING UP MILLENNIUM MAN OR WHATEVER HAS THE RUN IN WWE, WHICH IS I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 99 THROUGH 2018. YEAH. IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH, YEAH. >> 2017. >> YEAH. >> THAT IS A LONG TIME TO STAY RELEVANT. AND AND CAPTURE ALL THOSE TITLES AND HAVE CLASSIC MATCHES WITH SHAWN MICHAELS AND KEVIN OWENS BEING A TAG TEAM WITH THE BIG SHOW. JERICHO I THINK THE STUFF WITH THE FESTIVAL OF FRIENDSHIP AND THE AND THE CLIPBOARD AND BEING ON THE LIST IS SOME OF THE BEST SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT PROMO STUFF EVER. SOME SOME OF THE BEST STUFF THE LAST TEN YEARS FOR SURE. AND AND THEN HE’S A HUGE PART OF WHY AEW EXISTS AND WAS TAKEN SERIOUSLY. AND WHAT HE’S DONE THERE. AND THEN IN JAPAN, GOING INTO THE PAINMAKER AND HAVING THE BIT OF THE BUBBLY, HAVING THE MUSICAL NUMBER OF MJF , I THINK HE’S EASILY. >> HE’S EVOLVED A LOT. I MEAN, IT’S AMAZING HOW MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF HIS CHARACTER. >> HE’S HAD. I MEAN, THE PROMOS, THE MATCHES, THE PRE-TAPES, IT’S LIKE, I DON’T THERE AREN’T THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN DO ALL OF THE THINGS. >> WELL, YEAH. >> HE’S DONE ALL OF THE THINGS. WELL, WHETHER ANYBODY LIKES HIM OR NOT. AND AND I THINK HE DESERVES TO BE ON SOME RUSHMORE’S. >> GOING BACK TO MAYBE PEOPLE NOT ACCEPTING YOU. >> OH, YEAH. NO, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THERE FOR SURE. SOME PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE TOO, LIKE, I’LL TRY TO CALL A SPOT IN A MATCH OR SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY LIKE A BATTLE RIOT WHERE THERE’S A BUNCH OF GUYS I’LL TRY TO CALL SOMETHING AND YOU CAN TELL THEY’RE JUST LIKE, DUDE, OFF. >> REALLY? >> YEAH. NOT NOT SAYING IT, BUT KIND OF LIKE GETTING OUT. >> OF THE MATCH. >> AND YET THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPER COOL, LIKE MINORU SUZUKI. I’M LIKE CHOPPING THE OUT OF HIM AND HE’S COOL WITH IT AND HE’S. WE’RE WORKING. >> ARE YOU CALLING THINGS ON THE FLY? >> SOMETIMES I TRY, I TRY TO, I TRY TO GET AS MUCH FIGURED OUT BEFORE I GET. >> OUT THERE, OKAY? >> BECAUSE I JUST DON’T I DON’T I’M NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO LEAVE EVERYTHING UP TO CHANCE AND JUST CALL IT IN THE RING. I’M NOT. I’M NOT THERE YET. BUT PEOPLE ARE VERY PATIENT WITH ME AND THEY’RE COOL AND I SELL FOR THEM. AND I’VE TAKEN SOME HARDY HARDY MOVES AND KICKS AND PUNCHES, AND I’VE WOKEN UP IN A TON OF PAIN JUST TAKING SOMEBODY’S MOVE. BUT BUT I THINK I’VE EARNED MOST PEOPLE’S RESPECT. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MEAN TO ME ARE PEOPLE THAT EVERYBODY GOES, YEAH, I DON’T LISTEN TO THAT GUY. EVERYBODY HATES. >> HIM, RIGHT? RIGHT. >> IT’S NEVER LIKE A POPULAR, BELOVED PERSON MISTREATING ME. IT’S USUALLY SOMEONE WHO’S ALREADY UNHAPPY, BECOMES MORE UNHAPPY WHEN THEY SEE ME. >> ONE MATCH, YOU’RE WEARING THE BRAVES JERSEY AND YOU GO THROUGH THE TABLE. DO YOU DO YOU SLAM YOUR HEAD ON THE CONCRETE THERE? >> THAT WAS MY FAULT. WE CALLED IT WHERE I WAS. I WAS GOING TO. I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME A PUMP KICK OR A OR A LIKE A SHAWN MICHAELS STYLE, LIKE SUPER KICK, AND I’LL FALL BACK. I WAS SUPPOSED TO KIND OF JUMP UP AND LAND ON MY BACK. >> YEAH. >> AND I JUST WENT LIKE THIS. SO HAD I WENT AND GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT AIR AND FALLEN BACK, LIKE, LIKE JOE PESCI. >> IN HOME ALONE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. >> I WOULD HAVE WENT THROUGH PERFECTLY. WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT INSTEAD, BECAUSE I FELL FLAT BACK, LIKE LIKE STRAIGHT BACK, LIKE A JENGA DOMINO OR WHATEVER. >> BECAUSE THERE’S A MOMENT WHERE YOU. I THINK. >> WE HAVE THE CLIP. >> IT HURT. I HIT MY HEAD ON. >> THE GROUND. >> YES. >> YES. >> I WENT THROUGH THE TABLE, DIDN’T FEEL THE TABLE AND JUST FELT MY HEAD HITTING CEMENT. >> THIS RIGHT HERE. >> YEAH, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE I’M NOT SELLING. I’M NOT SELLING AT ALL. I’M JUST LIKE, OH, DID I JUST GET A CONCUSSION? AND I WAS SO MAD AT MYSELF BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THAT WAS A SPOT I SET UP. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AWESOME AND LOOK REALLY GOOD, AND INSTEAD IT LOOKS LIKE SOME GUY JUST GOT HURT FOR REAL AND DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S DOING. >> SO IS THERE. >> ANY MOMENT WHERE YOU’RE LIKE, MAN, I CAN’T, I DON’T WANT TO DO THIS. I CAN’T DO THIS. >> NO. >> YOU LOVE IT. EVEN WHEN YOU’RE SMASHING YOUR HEAD ON THE CONCRETE, DUDE, EMOTIONAL PAIN IS WAY WORSE THAN PHYSICAL PAIN. >> I MEAN, I WAS DUMPED AT THREE HIGH SCHOOL DANCES FROM THREE DIFFERENT GIRLS. LIKE, I WAS A VIRGIN UNTIL I WAS MARRIED. I. I HAVE HAD HEROES DIE. I HAVE HAD 1 MILLION NO’S FROM AUDITIONS AND SCREENPLAYS. I’VE WRITTEN 21 FEATURES SINCE I WAS 16-YEARS-OLD. NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN PRODUCED OR BOUGHT. EMOTIONAL PAIN IS WAY WORSE. REJECTION IS WAY WORSE THAN PHYSICAL PAIN. >> WOW. >> YOU’VE HAD YOU’VE HAD SOME DARK DAYS AS WELL, RIGHT? >> I THINK ANY OF US HAVE. YEAH, YEAH. NO MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. >> PROBABLY. >> OKAY. BECAUSE I WATCHED AN INTERVIEW THAT YOU DID WITH SAM ROBERTS AT HIS HOUSE WHERE YOU WERE REFERRING. >> I LOVE THAT GUY. >> YEAH, HE IS GREAT. AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THE TIME PERIOD THAT YOU WERE IN WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN ALL THIS CAME TO YOU, THE WRESTLING STUFF. >> AND PERHAPS. >> IT WAS A BIT OF A, A LIGHT IN YOUR LIFE, RIGHT, TO BE ABLE TO START DOING ALL OF THIS WHEN MAYBE TIMES WERE TOUGH, THE WRESTLING. >> YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT’S NICE TO HAVE A CREATIVE VEHICLE TO BECAUSE BECAUSE MY WIFE WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU WHEN I’M NOT ACTING ON SET, I CAN GO ABOUT 4-5 WEEKS REALLY GOOD WITHOUT ANY CREATIVE WORK. BUT BY LIKE WEEK SIX, I’M LIKE, SUDDENLY I’M IN THE KITCHEN, I’M MAKING THREE MEALS AT ONCE AND THROWING THEM INTO LIKE TUPPERWARE AND FREEZING THEM LIKE, I NEED TO BE CREATIVE. I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. AND WRESTLING IS OBVIOUSLY A WAY TO MAKE A TINY BIT OF MONEY, ENTERTAIN PEOPLE, MAKE ME CONSCIOUS OF MY HEALTH, TOO, BECAUSE LIKE AS AN ACTOR, IT’S LIKE PEOPLE BRINGING YOU FOOD ALL DAY ON SET. PEOPLE BRING ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE’S DONUTS AT CRAFT SERVICE. AND IT’S LIKE, GOOD GOD, IT’S 10:00 A.M. I JUST HAD AN OMELET. I DON’T NEED A FREAKING DONUT. YOU’RE GONNA KILL ME. >> YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW. >> SO IT’S A WAY TO ALSO BE HEALTH CONSCIOUS WHERE, LIKE, I WANT TO BE IN SHAPE TO MAKE SURE I CAN WRESTLE TO WITH SOME ACUMEN, MAKE SURE I CAN TAKE THE SNAP MARES AND FLAT BACKS AND CHAIR SHOTS. AND IF YOU’RE NOT IN THE GYM, AND IF YOU’RE NOT TAKING, YOU KNOW, THE A1 GREENS AND HYDRATING AND YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT SUPPLEMENTS AND STUFF, IT’S LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO FEEL IT WAY MORE. >> ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT WAS I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN JOHN CENA TURNED HEEL AND MY CRITICISM OF IT WAS AND BY THE WAY, ARE YOU OKAY? IT’S HOT IN HERE, RIGHT? >> OH, IT’S A LITTLE WARM. >> YEAH. IT IS. I’M SORRY, I’M SORRY. >> YEAH, WE’RE TRYING TO HELP YOU. YOU KNOW, MAYBE CUT A FEW ELBOWS WHILE YOU’RE SITTING HERE. >> YEAH, I MIGHT GET THERE. >> I WAS, I WAS CRITICAL OF JOHN TURNING HEEL BECAUSE I SAID I FELT LIKE HE WAS PLAYING A BAD GUY. AND I WAS CRITICAL OF RONDA ROUSEY WHEN SHE CAME FROM UFC TO WWE. BECAUSE I SAID THAT I FELT LIKE SHE WAS PLAYING PRO WRESTLER. THERE’S A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN IT FEELS LIKE THEY’RE PLAYING SOMEONE, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THEY’RE JUST REAL, LIKE PAUL HEYMAN. WHEN I WATCH HIM, I FEEL LIKE I’M WATCHING PAUL HEYMAN AND THAT’S WHAT MAKES. >> HIM SO GREAT. YES, BUT. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND SO LIKE WHEN YOU COME FROM THE ACTING WORLD, YOU HAVE TO PLAY CHARACTERS ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT IN THAT MOMENT YOU ARE RICHARD JEWELL, RIGHT? NOT PAUL WALTER HAUSER PLAYING RICHARD JEWELL. AND SO ARE YOU. YOU’RE WATCHING THE DO YOU DO YOU THINK THAT SAME WAY? LIKE THIS. THIS ISN’T BELIEVABLE. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY’RE PLAYING A CHARACTER AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING WHO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON SCREEN. >> IT’S TOUGH, RIGHT? LIKE IT’S TOUGH TO JUDGE. I, I THINK I LOVED RONDA ROUSEY AS A PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER. >> YOU DID. >> I LOVED IT BECAUSE YOU COULD TELL SHE HAD AN EDGE ABOUT HER, WHERE SHE WAS LIKE, I’M YOU BELIEVE THAT? SHE FELT THAT SHE WAS BETTER THAN. >> EVERYONE. >> AND WHILE SOME PEOPLE MAY DEEM THAT UNCOUTH OR CRAPPY, I THINK IT’S A GOOD CHARACTER. LIKE, I LIKE WOMEN LIKE HER AND SHAYNA BASZLER, WHO LOOK LIKE THEY’RE JUST HERE TO STOMP PEOPLE INTO. >> MUSH. YEAH. >> TO ME, THAT THAT WAS A WELCOME REPRIEVE. A NEW CHARACTER IN RONDA ROUSEY. >> HOW DID JOHN CENA HEEL. >> THING? HERE’S MY ISSUE WITH JOHN CENA HEEL THING. I THINK TURNING HIM HEEL IS AWESOME. I THINK THE WAY THEY DID IT WAS COOL. I THINK THEY GAVE WAY TOO MUCH RUNWAY TO TRAVIS SCOTT. SOMETHING CLEARLY GOT CHANGED IN CREATIVE AND DWAYNE IS TOO BUSY AND TOO RICH TO WANT TO FIGHT A BATTLE ABOUT CREATIVE, AND SOMETHING GOT ALTERED THERE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT, BUT WHATEVER ROAD THEY WERE ON OF LIKE, I WANT YOUR SOUL AND JOHN CENA’S EVIL KIND OF TURNED INTO LET’S BRING JOHN OUT AND HAVE HIM TALK FOR 15 MINUTES. >> EVERY RAW. >> WHICH IS NO ONE, WINS WHEN WE TALK FOR 20 MINUTES IN A RING. I THINK IT’S THE DUMBEST THING IN THE WORLD. AND IT’S IT’S TO ME, IT’S BAD STRUCTURE. IT HAS LESS TO DO WITH JOHN AND MORE TO DO WITH THEY’RE NOT SETTING HIM UP TO SUCCEED. LIKE, WHY IS JOHN WEARING THE JEAN SHORTS STILL LIKE HOGAN HAD A WHOLE, LIKE, LOOK. SO FOR ME IT’S JUST ABOUT COMMITMENT AND WRITING AND THE TRANSFORMATION BEING BIGGER AND GIVING THEM MORE EVIL STUFF TO DO. LIKE LIKE IF I’M WORKING ON THE BOOKING COMMITTEE, WRITING TEAM, WHATEVER, THEY’RE MY FIRST NOTE IS EVERYTHING’S GOT TO GO. EVERYTHING’S GOT TO CHANGE. >> WOW. >> AND AND CENA HAS TO BE SO IMPORTANT THAT IF HE’S GOING TO DO AN INTERVIEW, IT’S VIA SATELLITE SOMEWHERE. IT’S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING. IT’S, HEY, I’M ON SET, OR I’M DOING THAT. ALSO, WE GOT TO HAVE HIM GET A CAMEO, FIND OUT WHO HE’S REALLY TIGHT WITH IN HOLLYWOOD, HAVE HIM BE LIKE, I CAN’T TALK RIGHT NOW, AND THEN FACETIME WITH SOMEBODY FAMOUS AND BE LIKE, HEY, I CAN’T TALK TO THESE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. I GOT TO TALK TO THIS PERSON. I MAKE IT, MAKE IT FUN, MAKE IT BIGGER. IT’S JUST HIM AND CODY YELLING AT. >> EACH OTHER. YEAH. >> I’M KIND OF. WE’RE ALL OVER IT. I THINK. AND THEY’RE TWO. THEY’RE TWO VERY DEEPLY TALENTED PEOPLE. CODY AND JOHN ARE AMAZING. SO IF THEY’RE NOT ENTERTAINING US, SOMETHING’S WRONG WITH THE STRUCTURE, NOT THEM. >> YOU KNOW? >> GOSH, I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF FOREVER. IT’S GREAT TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU’RE. IT REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF FREDDIE PRINZE JR. WHEN HE WENT AND WORKED FOR THE CREATIVE TEAM FOR. >> A BIT. OH, YEAH. >> DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? >> YEAH. >> 20 1011. >> A. >> COUPLE OF MY BUDDIES DID THAT. I KNOW THIS REALLY FUNNY, TALENTED DUDE NAMED MATT MCCARTHY, OKAY? AND HE’S A BIG WRESTLING GUY AND HE WORKED THERE BRIEFLY AND SAID, LIKE. >> WE HAVE A MUTUAL FRIEND IN ROB FEE. >> OH, I LOVE. ROB THE MAN. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HE’S HE’S A LEGEND. >> IS ONE OF THE REASONS WWE IS THRIVING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT’S NOT ME SPEAKING AS A FRIEND. THAT’S ME SPEAKING AS A BUSINESSMAN. >> YEAH. HE’S UNBELIEVABLE. WHAT A MIND HE HAS. AND SO I LOVE I LOVE HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT YOU’RE ALSO GOING TO BE WITH WITH CODY IN THE NEW NAKED GUN. HE’S IN THAT. >> YEAH. >> A CAMEO. >> FOR HIM. YEAH. >> GOT THAT COMING UP. YOU’VE GOT FANTASTIC FOUR COMING UP. THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN FILM. YOU GOT PAMELA ANDERSON IN THE NAKED GUN, CANADIAN LEGEND. >> DUDE, CANADIAN LEGEND. SHE’S HAVING A GREAT RUN RIGHT NOW AND SHE’S TAKING THE ACTING THING SO SERIOUSLY. >> I LOVE IT. >> LIKE DOING IT FOR REAL. >> INSIDE OUT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES. >> INSIDE OUT WITH MY KIDS, MAN. FIRST MOVIE. >> I EVER TOOK MY SON TO WAS INSIDE OUT ONE. I KNOW YOU WERE IN TWO. >> YEAH. >> LOVED IT AS WELL. >> THAT’S COOL MAN. YEAH, I’VE I’VE GOTTEN TO DO A COOL MESH OF THINGS. MY, MY MANAGER AND I, BRIAN WALSH AGAIN. HE WE’RE BIG ON CAREER ARCHITECTURE. SO IT’S VERY INTENTIONAL TO DO AN I TONYA AND A BLACK KLANSMAN BUT THEN ALSO DO RENO 911. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD LEAVE AND THEN DO THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN MOVIE. AND THIS MOVIE WHERE I’M PLAYING A CROOKED COP IN STATEN ISLAND. LIKE WE’RE TRYING TO MIX THINGS UP. WE’RE TRYING TO HAVE FUN AND DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLATE, WE GOT FANTASTIC FOUR JULY 25, NAKED GUN, AUGUST 1. MY MOVIE AMERICANAH WITH SYDNEY SWEENEY AND SIMON REX COMES OUT AUGUST 15, I BELIEVE. >> THERE IT IS. >> AND THEN WE GOT WE GOT DELIVER ME FROM NOWHERE, THE SPRINGSTEEN BIOPIC, OCTOBER 24. >> WHAT A RUN. >> SO IT’S A. >> REALLY IMPORTANTLY. YOU HAVE FLW RETURNING TO NEW YORK ON JUNE 26. >> DUDE, IT’S GOING TO BE A GOOD. >> SHOW, MAN. >> YEAH, WE GOT WE GOT SOME SURPRISES IN STORE. I WILL NOT BE WRESTLING AT THE SHOW, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I AM MAKING AN APPEARANCE OKAY. AND WE’LL BE DOING SOME COMMENTARY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ROSTER JUST KIND OF KEEPS EVOLVING WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE. BIGGEST NAMES IN THE SPORT, FROM MATT RIDDLE AND MISTICO TO, YOU KNOW, SOME GUYS WHO LEFT WWE. >> WE GOT. >> DONOVAN DIJAK AND AND. >> FORMER BARON CORBIN. TOM PESTOCK. >> NOW GOING UNDER THE NAME BISHOP DYER. AND I REALLY THINK WE’RE IN A GOOD PLACE WHERE WE ARE IN A GROWING SEASON. WE’RE EVOLVING AND ONCE AGAIN, OUR GOAL AT MLW IS JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER THING TO WATCH AND ENJOY. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO. WE’RE NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS. WE LOVE PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. WE WANT TO WE WANT TO KEEP OUR NOSE CLEAN. AND AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BEAST IS GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD SHOW. IF YOU’RE AVAILABLE, WE’D LOVE. >> TO HAVE YOU OUT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO CHECK IT OUT. I’VE NEVER. >> BEEN TO ONE. WE GOT A FEW. >> SEATS REMAINING, BUT FOR YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE, WHOEVER. >> YOU WANT TO BRING. >> WE’LL HOOK. >> IT UP. >> THAT’S VERY KIND OF YOU. AND FOR THE MMA FANS OUT THERE, KINGDOM, YOU’RE. >> IN KINGDOM WAY BACK IN THE DAY. >> YEAH. FRANK GRILLO AND MATT LAURIA. >> THAT’S A CLASSIC. >> YEAH I LOVE THAT WAS THE SHOW THAT REALLY THAT SHOW KIND OF. >> WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME. >> PERHAPS NOT ONLY AHEAD OF ITS TIME. HAD IT BEEN ON A HBO OR A, I DON’T KNOW, LIKE AN AMAZON. IT MIGHT HAVE. WE MIGHT ALL HAD TROPHIES IN OUR HANDS BECAUSE THE WORK WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. BUT BUT I WILL SAY, LIKE THOSE GUYS WHO PLAYED THE FIGHTERS, NICK JONAS AND MATT LAURIA. JOHNNY WALKER FRANK GRILLO, THOSE GUYS TOOK IT SO SERIOUSLY. MAN. I HAVE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE SACRIFICE THE WAY THEY DID TO TRY TO GET THEIR BODIES IN ORDER AND DO WHAT THEY DID. THOSE ARE 16 HOUR DAYS WITH COMMUTING, THE SHOOTING, THE WORKING OUT. THOSE GUYS WERE ONLY SLEEPING LIKE 6 HOURS A NIGHT, 5 HOURS A NIGHT. >> SOUNDS LIKE YOUR LIFE NOW WITH THE WRESTLING AND. >> THE ACTING. YEAH. AND THE ABDOMEN. >> I GOT TO WORK ON THAT PART, BUT NO. YEAH, I FOR THOSE THAT WATCH KINGDOM, I STILL GET PEOPLE COMING UP TO ME. A LOT OF DUDES WILL BE LIKE, BRO, I KNOW EVERYBODY LOVES YOU. CRUELLA AND RICHARD JEWELL, BUT LIKE, BRO, MY MAN. >> KEITH. YEAH. AND I’LL BE LIKE, I’LL BE LIKE, OH YEAH. >> KEITH FROM KINGDOM. >> HE. THAT CHARACTER. >> WAS NUTS. I JUST, I, I HAD A LOT OF FUN PLAYING THAT. >> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN LOVELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. CONGRATS ONCE AGAIN ON ALL YOUR SUCCESS. LOVE THAT YOU’RE DOING THE WRESTLING. LOVE THAT YOU’RE PROPPING UP WRESTLING WHEREVER YOU ARE. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHETHER YOU’RE ON COLBERT’S SHOW OR GETTING AN AWARD, IT’S GREAT TO SEE SOMEONE WHO IS A LEGIT, PASSIONATE FAN OF THE BUSINESS, AS AM. >> I. >> AND CONGRATS TO YOU AND AND MUCH RESPECT ON ACTUALLY DOING IT. >> I’LL LEAVE YOU. >> WITH THIS. OKAY. >> THE WAY WE GOT LIKE JACK NICHOLSON COURTSIDE AT THE LAKERS, THE WAY YOU GOT BILLY CRYSTAL AND THE YANKEES. >> YEAH. >> I HOPE TO BE THE GUY. WHO IS THAT FOR WRESTLING? BUT ALSO GETS OUT OF THE COURT OR THE BASEBALL FIELD AND AND WHEN I SAY I’M DOING A REVERSE, DWAYNE JOHNSON, IT MAY BE A JOKE TO SOME OF YOU WATCHING OR LISTENING. I ASSURE YOU, OVER TIME YOU WILL LEARN IT IS FAR FROM IT. AND I’M CURRENTLY PRODUCING A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT MY JOURNEY AS A WRESTLER. I LOVE THAT. SO WE’RE WE’RE IN THE HEAT OF THAT. I’M DIRECTING IT AND YOU WILL LEARN VERY SHORTLY HOW SERIOUS I AM ABOUT PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. >> THAT’S A FREAKING PROMO RIGHT THERE. THAT’S A FREAKING PROMO. WELL DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL THE BEST TO YOU. WE’LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE’LL BE BACK. WITH JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR.. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO CAN WE CALL YOU. >> THAT I WISH YOU WOULD . AND I GUESS GO READ SAY HELLO TO THE BAD. >> GUYS. >> WE’LL BE BACK IN A SECOND. >> AMANDA NUNES THE RETURN OR SHOULD I SAY OF AMANDA NUNES AGAINST KAYLA HARRISON AND HOW IT STACKS UP AS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FIGHTS IN WOMEN’S MMA HISTORY. TELL ME, BEN, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE BIGGEST FIGHT? DANA WHITE SAID AFTER THE AFTER UFC 316 THAT JUST THE SCALE OF THE SPORT IS BIGGER AND WHAT NUNES HAS DONE IS A LOT BIGGER THAN IT WAS, SAY, WHEN SHE FOUGHT CYBORG. DO YOU THINK THIS ONE STACKS UP WITH THE CYBORG NUNES FIGHT, WHICH WAS BILLED AT THE TIME AS THE BIGGEST WOMEN’S FIGHT? >> I MEAN, I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHAT WE MEAN BY BIGGEST. IF WE MEAN, LIKE MOST IMPORTANT, THE THE HIGHEST STAKES, THE MOST. RELEVANT CLAIM THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT THIS ONE IS REALLY TO SEE WHO IS THE BEST. BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU CAN REASONABLY CLAIM THAT WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING AT WITH AMANDA NUNES, WHO HAS A RARE DISTINCTION IN THE SPORT, WHERE WE’LL ARGUE ABOUT WHO THE GOAT IS OF EVERYTHING IN THIS SPORT, WE’LL ARGUE ABOUT WHO THE WHO THE GOAT IS FOR EACH DIVISION. WE’LL ARGUE ABOUT WHO THE GREATEST IS IN ALL ASPECTS OF MMA, EXCEPT IN THIS ONE AREA. WHEN IT COMES TO WHO’S THE GREATEST FEMALE FIGHTER OF ALL TIME, IT’S AMANDA NUNES, AND NO ONE EVEN ARGUES THAT THAT THAT’S AMAZING. FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WE WILL ARGUE ANYTHING, AND NO ONE ARGUES THAT. EVERYONE JUST KIND OF SAYS IT’S AMANDA NUNES. WE’RE WE’RE BORED WITH THE THE TOPIC BECAUSE IT’S SO OBVIOUS. LIKE THERE’S NO ARGUMENT TO BE HAD THERE. SO TO HAVE HER COME BACK AND FIGHT KAYLA HARRISON IT’S STARTING TO LOOK AT HER AND GO, SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHE BEATS AMANDA NUNES. SHE CAN CLAIM THAT SHE IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. SO IT’S LIKE IN TERMS OF LIKE THAT PURE ATHLETIC IMPORTANCE MAYBE. YEAH. THE BIGGEST. BUT IN TERMS OF HOW MANY EYEBALLS ARE YOU GOING TO GET? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO CLICK BY AND GIVE YOU 80 HARD EARNED DOLLARS IN ORDER TO WATCH IT? I DON’T KNOW IF JUST WHERE THE SPORT IS, IF IT’S POSSIBLE FOR THESE TWO TO SURPASS KIND OF A RONDA ROUSEY ERA FEMALE FIGHTER. AND HONESTLY, IF YOU’RE TALKING EVEN ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SORT OF LIFTING UP THE WOMEN’S SIDE OF THE GAME, MAYBE IT’S NOT EVEN AS BIG AS LIKE, GINA CARANO AND CRIS CYBORG IN ITS OWN WAY. AS FAR AS JUST LIKE, BROADEST POPULARITY. NO, I DON’T THINK THIS GETS THERE. BUT IN TERMS OF JUST LIKE MOST ATHLETICALLY MEANINGFUL. YEAH, MAYBE. >> WELL, ARE WE DISRESPECTING CYBORG AND GINA CARANO AND THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE DRAKE. >> YEAH, I, I THINK SO. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST KIND OF THE THE SELF-PROCLAIMED HISTORIAN. I LIKE TO BE IN ON THE WOMEN’S SIDE OF THINGS, WHICH MANY PEOPLE WILL WILL KNOW THAT I’M VERY EXCITED FOR THIS QUESTION, AND I COULD SHOUT OUT THE REMIX TOURNAMENT FROM 2000 AND FINALS AS THE REAL ANSWER HERE, BUT I’M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. I DON’T KNOW, MAN. IT’S REALLY INTERESTING. LIKE OBVIOUSLY PHENOMENAL FIGHT. VERY EXCITED FOR IT. BUT I REALLY IN ALL OF THE METRICS, I THINK THE ONLY ONE YOU COULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST IN COULD END UP BEING MAYBE THE DRAWING ABILITY. AND RIGHT, LIKE THE EYEBALLS ASPECT OF IT, BECAUSE FOR ME, IT’S STILL WHEN YOU LOOK AT LEGACY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I DON’T REALLY IT’S GOING TO TAKE A LOT TO BEAT NUNES VERSUS CYBORG AS THE BIGGEST FIGHT OF ALL TIME. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK ON THAT ONE AND IT DIDN’T EVEN GET THE LOVE THAT IT DESERVED BY BEING SECOND FIDDLE CO-MAIN TO WHAT WAS IT? JONES AND GUSTAFSSON TWO. IT WAS ON THAT CARD, BUT THAT WAS A SUPERFIGHT AS IT GETS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE WOMEN. YOU KNOW, CHAMP VERSUS CHAMP. AND WE SAW HOW IT PLAYED OUT OF COURSE. AND THAT WAS A REMATCH THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE’RE NEVER GOING TO GET. THAT WOULD BE BIGGER. THAT WOULD BE A BIGGER FIGHT. I THINK MAYBE NOT. I MEAN, IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN NOW, THE TIMING WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OFF BECAUSE OF HOW THE STEAM HAS KIND OF DIED DOWN ON CYBORG’S CAREER. CLEARLY AT THE END OF THAT AS WELL. BUT I DON’T KNOW. JUST SOME OF THE FACTORS WITH HARRISON AND. >> ALL RIGHT, BACK ON THE PROGRAM, THAT WAS AN EXCERPT FROM THE CRACK. THAT WAS PAUL WALTER HAUSER IN STUDIO. LOVED THAT CHAT, LOVED THE CHAT WITH RAIMONDI AS WELL. LET’S NOT WASTE ANY MORE TIME AND SAY HELLO TO OUR FINAL GUEST OF THE DAY. HE IS RETURNING TO ACTION ON 28 JUNE. THAT’S IN TEN DAYS FROM NOW AT THE POND IN ANAHEIM ON HIS OWN PAY-PER-VIEW. HE’S GOING UP AGAINST JAKE PAUL. HE’S GOING TO BE THE ONE TO TRY AND END ALL OF THIS. HE’S GOING TO BE THE ONE TO TRY TO END THE JAKE PAUL EXPERIMENT. HE IS THE FORMER CHAMPION, THE LEGEND, THE SON OF A LEGEND AS WELL. HE IS THE PRIDE OF MEXICO. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR., KIND ENOUGH TO JOIN US. HELLO, JULIO. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. >> YES. GOOD, GOOD. READY? READY. ALMOST READY FOR THE FIGHT. >> TEN DAYS AWAY. NOW, CAN I ASK WHEN YOU GOT THE CALL ABOUT FIGHTING JAKE PAUL? WERE YOU IN RIGHT AWAY? DID YOU LIKE THE IDEA OR DID YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. >> IT ? >> I LIKE THE IDEA BECAUSE. AND I THINK IT’S THE FIGHT THAT I NEEDED THIS DAY. SO YES, I’M THINKING ABOUT IT. IT’S JAKE IS VERY POPULAR, BUT I’M PRETTY SURE I WANT TO FIGHT. I WANT THIS FIGHT. >> DO YOU RESPECT JAKE AS A FIGHTER? >> I RESPECT ALL THE FIGHTERS IN GENERAL. BUT I DON’T HAVE 0-0 SIGNIFICANT TO RESPECT. LIKE JAKE. LIKE A GOOD FIGHTER. YOU KNOW, HE’S A HE’S A REAL FIGHTER. I THINK SO. HE’S HE’S A FIGHTER. NOW. NOW YOU HAVE A 11 FIGHT. BUT THAT’S IT. YOU KNOW, IT’S NOTHING SPECIAL. THIS IT’S A STRONG THAT THAT’S IT. >> DO YOU THINK HE RESPECTS. >> YOU? >> AND WHAT WAY I DON’T I DON’T UNDERSTAND. >> AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE YOU KNOW HE WAS HE WAS TRYING TO GET UNDER YOUR SKIN A LITTLE BIT. AND HE’S KNOWN TO DO THAT, RIGHT? HE TRIES TO TRASH TALK. HE WAS TALKING TO YOUR FATHER AND ALL THAT. AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU FELT DISRESPECTED OR UPSET ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HE SAID IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE. >> YES, A LITTLE BIT DISRESPECT BECAUSE HE SUPPOSED TO TRY TO ENTER TO A REAL BOXING, YOU KNOW, THAT’S WHY HE TRIED ME. BECAUSE I’M EX-WORLD CHAMPION. SO HE SPEAK TOO MUCH TRASH, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO SELL THE FIGHT. BUT I DON’T LIKE HEAR THAT THINGS YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON’T KNOW. JAKE IS GOOD FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, FOR PROMOTE FIGHTS AND THESE THINGS, BUT I NEEDED I REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT IF IT’S GOOD BOXING FOR REAL. >> SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUGHT JAKE HAVE HAVE TRIED TO SORT OF, AS I SAID, END JAKE PAUL LIKE END ALL OF THIS. THEY DON’T LIKE THAT HE’S IN BOXING. IS THAT A MOTIVATION FOR YOU TO TO KNOCK HIM OUT SO THAT HE SAYS, I DON’T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE. SO YOU COULD BE THE ONE TO SAY, YOU GOT JAKE PAUL OUT OF FIGHTING. >> YES. SO THAT’S, YOU KNOW, I’M I, I’M STILL THINKING THAT I’M BETTER THAN JAKE PAUL. SO I THINK. AFTER THIS FIGHT, MAYBE JAKE CONTINUED TO FIGHT. I DON’T KNOW, TRY TO TO TO BE A BEST BOXER. BUT. I DON’T THINK HE HAS HE HAVE SKILLS AND AND EVERYTHING FOR, FOR FOR WINNING THAT FIGHT. YES. I WANT TO END THE THE THE JAKE PAUL CAREER. I WANT TO END. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL SAY ABOUT YOU AT THIS STAGE OF YOUR CAREER? 39 YOU’VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR SO LONG, YOU KNOW, 60 FIGHTS, ALL THAT STUFF. IF YOU BEAT JAKE PAUL, WHAT WILL THAT SAY ABOUT WHO? JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. IS RIGHT. >> NOW? >> YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TO PUT CLEAR THEM. I’M STILL HERE. I’M NOT OLD. YOU KNOW. AND I’M TAKE THIS SPORT SERIOUS, TRAIN HARD, BE DISCIPLINED . I’M 39 SO I DON’T THINK SO. I’M OLD. I STILL FEEL GOOD. I’M THE GYM. SO I WANT TO PROVE THAT I’M STILL HERE. I’M STILL A GOOD FIGHTER. SO I WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST BETTER OPPOSITION. AFTER THIS FIGHT. AND THAT’S WHY I TAKE THIS FIGHT. >> IT’S INTERESTING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISCIPLINE, ABOUT TAKING IT SERIOUS BECAUSE IN YOUR CAREER, SOME HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF NOT DOING THAT AT TIMES. AND SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE NOW IN THIS CHAPTER, YOU COULD PROVE TO PEOPLE YOU CAN END YOUR CAREER ON A POSITIVE NOTE AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT IF YOU TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, YOU CAN BE A GREAT FIGHTER, JUST LIKE YOUR. >> FATHER. >> MAYBE NOT LIKE MY FATHER. IT’S IS GREAT FIGHTER . BUT YES, WHY NOT? I WANT TO PROVE AND I WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. EVERY, EVERY EVERYTHING. LIKE CORRECT RUNNING, TRAINING. SO STAY 100% IN THIS FIGHT. WHY NOW? I DON’T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I HAVE EXPERIENCE, I’M SOBER. SO THAT’S TWO THINGS I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT FOR FOR ME OR FOR ATHLETES. YOU KNOW, ATHLETES IT’S NEVER GOOD. LIKE DRINK OR OR, YOU KNOW, DON’T TRAIN. SO I’M TRAINING HARD AND I’M DISCIPLINED AND I’M CLEAN. SO THAT’S THAT’S IT’S GOOD FOR ME. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN SOBER. >> FOR? >> I AM SOBER, SO ONE YEAR, EIGHT MONTHS. >> WOW. OKAY. YEAH. AND YOUR REACTION WHEN I MENTIONED YOUR FATHER IS INTERESTING. WAS THERE A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU. SAID HE’S HE’S ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER HALL OF FAMER, ONE OF THE MOST BELOVED FIGHTERS, WHERE YOU SAID, I NEED TO STOP TRYING TO BE LIKE HIM OR COMPARING MYSELF TO HIM AND JUST BE MY OWN PERSON. DID YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT LESSON AT SOME POINT IN YOUR CAREER TO NOT TRY TO BE LIKE YOUR. >> FATHER? >> YES. YOU KNOW, I NEVER TRIED TO BE LIKE LIKE HIM. I TRIED, I TRIED TO BE MY THE BEST, YOU KNOW, AND I TRY TO BE A WORLD CHAMPION. SO I WIN A WORLD TITLE. AND I’M STILL TRY TO TO TO SHOW THE PEOPLE. THAT I’M. I’M A GOOD FIGHTER. SO . YES. SO I DON’T HAVE THAT PRESSURE. AND THIS FIGHT IS DIFFERENT. AND I WANT TO PROVE THAT I’M A I’M A GREAT FIGHTER. I’M A GOOD FIGHTER. >> THE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU WAS LAST JULY WHEN YOU BEAT URIAH. >> HALL. >> WERE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PERFORMANCE IN THAT. >> FIGHT? >> YOU KNOW, I’M HAPPY BECAUSE I REALLY TAKE THIS FIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO FIGHT JAKE PAUL NEXT. SO I THINK I’M DOING EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO DOING THIS NIGHT TO WIN THE FIGHT. AND TO PUT ME IN THE POSITION THAT JAKE AND HIS AND HIS PROMOTER, PROMOTER LOOK AT ME BECAUSE I’M WILLING TO FIGHT. BUT DON’T LOOK GREAT. SO I THINK THAT’S IT’S GOOD FOR, FOR FOR THIS. YES. >> THERE WAS SOME TALK LAST YEAR THAT YOU WOULD FIGHT THE FORMER UFC FIGHTER DARREN TILL ON THE ON ON THE UNDERCARD OF THE TYSON PAUL FIGHT. HAVE YOU SEEN HIM. HE’S NOW FOUGHT A COUPLE TIMES IN BOXING. HAVE YOU SEEN. HIM COMPETE IN BOXING AND IF SO, ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED IN THAT FIGHT? >> YOU KNOW, I DON’T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT DARREN TILL, AND I KNOW HIM. HE’S A GOOD UFC FIGHTER . I SEE ONE OR TWO OF HIS BOXING MATCH, AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE TRAINED HARD AND HE’S SUPPLE . BUT REALLY BOXING FOR ME IS DIFFERENT SPORT. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, LIKE WHEN I LOST WITH ANDERSON SILVA. BUT I’M OUT OF SHAPE. SO THESE THINGS LIKE THE FIGHT WITH SILVA AND A COUPLE OTHER FIGHTS, MAKE THE UFC FIGHTERS OR THE THE OTHER PEOPLE THINKING THAT THEN THIS GUY CAN BEAT LIKE A REAL BOXER. SO I DON’T THINK THAT’S THAT’S IT’S NOT POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE A REAL BOXER, YOU TRAIN RIGHT. IT’S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SPORT. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU IN BOXING, YOU NEED TO TO DOING POINT TO TO WIN ROUNDS. AND YOU SEE YOU ONLY THINKING AND AND I DON’T KNOW KILL THE OTHER GUY YOU KNOW. SO IT’S DIFFERENT. SO I’M I’M I’M VERY EXCITED. I’M TRAINING VERY HARD TO PROVE THAT I’M MUCH, MUCH BETTER FIGHTER THAN JAKE PAUL. SO. AND OF COURSE DARREN TILL. >> DO YOU REGRET THE ANDERSON SILVA FIGHT? >> WELL, WHAT WHAT I MEAN. >> DO YOU HAVE REGRETS SURROUNDING THE ANDERSON SILVA FIGHT? YOU SAID YOU WEREN’T IN SHAPE, AND MAYBE THAT GAVE PEOPLE HOPE THAT MMA FIGHTERS CAN BE BOXERS AFTERWARDS. YOUR FATHER SAID, IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, YOU SHOULD RETIRE. SO WHEN YOU THINK BACK ON THE ANDERSON SILVA FIGHT, DO YOU HAVE REGRETS? >> YEAH, NO, I’M I’M VERY BAD SITUATION AT THAT TIME. VERY, VERY BAD SITUATION. BUT IN BOXING IT’S NO EXCUSES. YOU KNOW IT’S NO EXCUSES. SO WHATEVER WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED OF COURSE I FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS SITUATION TO LOST WITH A UFC FIGHTER FOR YEARS. YOU KNOW AND BECAUSE I’M NOT IN SHAPE. THIS. THIS THIS NIGHT. SO WHEN I’M NOT IN SHAPE, I DON’T FEEL HAPPY WITH MYSELF WITH MY PERFORMANCE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, IF I WIN, IF I LOST. SO THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT. THESE THINGS. >> YEAH. >> I’M IN SHAPE, SO I. I’M IN SHAPE AND I’M FOCUSED. SO I KNOW THAT. THEN I WANT TO MAKE GOOD FIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DON’T WANT TO QUIT. LIKE WHEN YOU QUIT WITH THE JACOB BECAUSE AND I’M, I HAVE THE SAME CONDITION I DON’T HAVE. I DON’T WANT TO QUIT. LIKE, WHEN I FIGHT BECAUSE I’M OUT OF SHAPE, NOT DISCIPLINED. SO NOW I’M DISCIPLINED. I’M FOCUSED. I WANT TO FINISH THE FIGHT AND WIN AND TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE BACK IN THE REAL BOXING. SO THAT’S MY MY GOAL. >> SO SO WHAT WHAT IS YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL? YOU BEAT JAKE PAUL AND THEN WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE. >> YOU KNOW I CAN SAY A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WANT TO FIGHT. ZURDO RAMIREZ I WANT TO FIGHT THE REMATCH WITH JAKE PAUL. I, YOU KNOW, REMATCH WITH JAKE PAUL IS IS MONEY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. IT’S MONEY FIGHT. SO THAT’S WHY I DON’T WANT TO SAY NO OF IF THIS THING HAPPEN. BUT FOR REAL, WHAT I WANT IS FIGHTING THE BEST. YOU KNOW, I LOVE IT. I LOVE TO FIGHT LIKE ZURDO RAMIREZ. I LOVE TO FIGHT AT CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION. I DON’T KNOW . >> THAT WOULD. >> BE SUPER, SUPER STRONG. YOU KNOW. >> YOU WANT THAT. YOU WANT THAT GUY. >> THAT GUY. YES, I WANT I WANT THE GUY. I WANT THAT. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT’S NOT LIKE I TELL YOU I WANT THIS GUY. I BEAT THIS GUY. I’M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO FIGHT THE BEST. SO IF OPETAIA OFFERED ME, RAMIREZ , OFFER ME AFTER THIS FIGHT, AFTER WON THIS FIGHT, AND ANOTHER FIGHT. SO I’M THERE. YOU KNOW I WANT TO. I’M THERE. I’M READY TO FIGHT. BE BOLD AND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. GUY BEAT THE BALL WITH. >> BETERBIEV. >> YES. SO THAT’S. >> MY KILLERS, MAN. THESE ARE. >> KILLERS. THE KILLERS? YES. SO? SO WAIT FOR JUNE 28. AFTER THAT, I WANT TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER INTERVIEW AND TALK ABOUT THIS FIGHT. >> OKAY, SO. BUT BUT THAT IS YOU’RE NOT HERE JUST FOR, LIKE, INFLUENCER FIGHTS OR CELEBRITY FIGHTS OR MMA CROSSOVER FIGHTS. THIS, IN YOUR OPINION, IS THE THE BRIDGE TO GET YOU INTO THOSE MASSIVE FIGHTS AGAINST THE BEST IN THE WORLD. THAT’S HOW YOU’RE VIEWING THIS. >> YES, YES, I THIS IS MY MENTALITY. A OF COURSE IT’S GOOD MEDIA FIGHT. YOU KNOW? BUT FOR ME, WHAT YOU KNOW, FOR ME WHAT LIKE EVERY A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS FIGHT BUT I’M SLEEP I’M PRUNING, I’M EATING. SO IT’S THE SAME FOR ME. SO IT’S A GOOD BUSINESS GOOD FIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW, WANT TO SEE THIS, THIS CAR BECAUSE IT’S A GREAT CAR. AND IT’S IS EVERYTHING IS GOOD IN THIS FIGHT. BUT OF COURSE, IT’S NOT . BUT I, I LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE FIGHTING OR OTHER THINGS. >> I SAW YOU DID AN OPEN WORKOUT AND ALL THE FANS WERE, WERE CHANTING F JAKE PAUL F JAKE PAUL. THAT HAD TO FEEL GOOD, RIGHT? HERE THEY ARE ALL ALL CHANTING AFTER. SO YOU FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA ARE GOING TO BE BEHIND YOU. THEY’RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING YOU AND NOT HIM. >> I THINK THE THE PEOPLE AND EVERYWHERE IS WITH ME. YEAH, NOBODY LIKE JAKE PAUL BECAUSE , YOU KNOW, JAKE, HE TRIED AND HE’S ONE OF THESE GUYS AND HE IF HE SEE YOU AND YOUR EYES LIKE FEAR OR, OR THAT THINGS, YOU KNOW IT’S GOOD AND THAT YOU KNOW TO TO GET THE OLD MAN LIKE MIKE TYSON, YOU KNOW, TRY TO PUT HIM DOWN WITH 50-9 YEARS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE THROWS SOME BOMBS. SO. I NEVER WANTED DOING THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT’S DISRESPECT LIKE LIONS. YOU KNOW. AND THAT’S WHY I WANT TO BEAT THE JAKE PAUL. THAT’S WHY THE PEOPLE IS IN MY SIDE. >> WELL, I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR RETURN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME, JULIO. GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU OUT THERE IN ANAHEIM ON 28 JUNE ON DAZN PAY-PER-VIEW. >> OKAY. >> SEE YOU. >> ALL THE BEST. THERE HE IS. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR.. ENJOY TALKING TO HIM VERY MUCH. HAS BEEN IN THE GAME FOR QUITE SOME TIME 50:04 6-1 34 KNOCKOUTS. 39 YEARS OF AGE. FORMER WBC MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION WON THE TITLE BACK IN 2011. DEFENDED IT THREE TIMES AND THEN LOST TO SERGIO MARTINEZ. HAS WINS OVER THE LIKES OF ANDY LEE, MARCO ANTONIO RUBIO, NWO BARRERA, JOHN DUDDY, PETER MANFREDO . CARLOS MOLINA . LAST FOUGHT AGAINST URIAH HALL. I WAS AT THAT CARD. THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE JULY 2024 CARD IN TAMPA AGAINST. WELL, IT WAS IT WAS MIKE PERRY AGAINST JAKE PAUL. AND DIDN’T LOOK GREAT IN THAT FIGHT. DIDN’T LOOK GREAT IN THAT FIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, IT IS MARCO. RUBIO. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE . >> IS IT THE THE SECRETARY OF STATE, MARCO RUBIO? I THINK SO. >> FORMER GOVERNOR. WHO ME IS THE GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA? FORMER GOVERNOR. >> YOU GOT THIS MAN. >> YEAH, I GOT IT. I GOT IT. YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE TO SAY I LIKE IT HOT. IT IS REALLY HOT IN HERE TODAY. >> YEAH. DID YOU GUYS SEE THE GUEST UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGH. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU COULD OFFER HIM SOME WATER. >> WELL, WHAT I SAID, IS EVERYTHING OKAY? >> CELSIUS. >> WELL. >> THESE, YOU’RE LIKE. I ASKED HIM IF EVERYTHING WAS OKAY. >> YES. IF EVERYTHING. >> WAS OKAY. >> HOSPITALITY IN FRONT OF A, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERVIEW. I MEAN, YOU THINK HE’S GONNA SAY, BRO? YOU KNOW, MAN, I’M HOT. WE GOTTA FINISH. >> I’M I. >> DON’T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? HE WAS STRUGGLING. >> MAYBE FAN HIM. >> WHAT DO YOU. >> WANT ME TO DO? GET A FAN AND WE CAN LIKE. OR. >> OR PERHAPS IN THE BACK, SOMEONE’S LIKE, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT THE AC ON. >> OKAY. >> NO. AND THEN. AND THEN THE THING WILL START UP. >> OR OPEN THE WINDOW BEHIND YOU. >> I WAS TRYING TO SHOW I WAS TRYING TO SHOW EMPATHY IN THAT MOMENT. HE WAS HOT. HE TOOK OFF HIS SHIRT. HE’S FLEXING ON ME. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN. >> THAT MOMENT. DO IT LIKE HOT ONES AND YOU TAKE OFF YOUR SHIRT LIKE THAT’S WHAT YOU DO. YOU DO? >> I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE TURNING THIS. >> ON ME. >> YOU SHOULD HAVE CRANKED UP THE HEAT MORE. >> TO MAKE. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> OR MAYBE WE SHOULD GET A FAN. >> AND YOU GUYS PROGRESSIVELY JUST START DRENCHING. >> THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA, LIKE, JUMP ONTO THE DESK LIKE IT WAS A A WHOLE WORK . >> HE WAS HOT. >> YEAH. >> RAYMONDI WAS HOT. I LIKE IT HOT. MAYBE. MAYBE THE ANSWER IS. >> ALDO WAS COLD. >> ALDO WAS COLD. MAYBE THE ANSWER IS WHEN THERE’S IN-STUDIO GUESTS, WE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT COOLER JUST FOR THEM. I LIKE IT, KHALED. I’M. I’M FINE RIGHT NOW. >> I’M PERFECT. >> IT’S ALL ABOUT YOU. >> I’M PERFECT. ANYWAY, IT’S BEEN A GREAT DAY. IT’S BEEN A GREAT FEW SHOWS. FEW THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. AND THEN LET’S GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. WHAT ABOUT THIS? THIS TWEET HERE FROM ALEX PEREIRA WEIGHING 243 POUNDS. IS THAT LEGIT? THAT’S PRETTY HEAVY. OH, WOW . LET’S SEE. >> LET’S SEE. >> OKAY, WELL, HE’S STEPPING ON HIS SHOES. SO IT’S LIKE WHAT IS THAT LIKE THREE POUNDS. >> FOUR POUNDS OR YOU. >> WOULD CHOOSE THE YOU THAT ARE FOUR POUNDS. >> THREE POUNDS, TWO POUNDS. BY THE. >> WAY 43 IS BIG HEAVYWEIGHTS. >> YEAH IT IS HEAVYWEIGHT. AND HE DOESN’T LOOK BIG AT ALL RIGHT. LIKE HE KIND OF LOOKS THE SAME. IS THAT AN UNCROWNED SHIRT. WHAT IS GOING ON. >> THAT’S KAYLA HARRISON. >> OH IT LOOKS LIKE A UNCROWNED CROWN. >> IT’S THE IT’S THE KAYLA HARRISON. UNCROWNED COLLAB. >> SHE FIRST REFERRED TO HERSELF AS THE UNCROWNED QUEEN, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> SO NO, I LIKE THAT. WHAT ABOUT DARREN TILL? WE JUST MENTIONED DARREN TILL TO JCC. PEOPLE AREN’T GETTING IT AND NEITHER ARE SOME OF THESE FIGHTERS. WHEN I SAY NO ONE WILL FIGHT ME OR PEOPLE ARE TURNING DOWN FIGHTS, THIS DOESN’T JUST MEAN THAT EVERYONE WHO IS WILLING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES CAN CALL ME OUT. IF I DON’T RESPOND, I AM SCARED IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE AND YOU HAVE TO BE A PAY PER VIEW. DRAW. MOST OF YOU DONUTS WHO ARE CALLING ME OUT COULDN’T SELL OUT A PHONE BOX, COULDN’T FIGHT OUT OF A EGG BOX, WHATEVER IT WAS. ME AND MISFITS ARE LOOKING FOR A PAY-PER-VIEW STAR THAT BRINGS IN CROWDS. PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY TO WATCH ME AND SOMEONE ELSE PUNCH OUT OF EACH OTHER. SO UNLESS YOU ARE THAT, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND YOU COULD BE ON THE UNDERCARD IF YOU’RE NICE TO ME. PLATINUM NATE GANE BREAD CARL FROCH CAN WE GET THIS DONE WITH ONE OF YOU? ANY OF YOU? I DON’T MIND TAKING LESS MONEY BEING THE B-SIDE. ANYTHING. LET’S JUST FIGHT. TILL HAS HAD ENOUGH. WHAT ABOUT THE SCENE AT THE AZERBAIJAN OPEN WORKOUTS TODAY? GOLLY, LOOK AT THAT. WE HAVEN’T SEEN THIS IN QUITE SOME TIME. FIZIEV THIS THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS LOOKS LIKE COACHELLA THAT MANY PEOPLE OUTDOORS. BEAUTIFUL NIGHT IN BAKU. LOOK AT THIS. >> FIRED UP. >> YEAH. >> THE LOCAL AZERBAIJANI. >> LOOK AT THAT SPINNING WHEEL KICK. WHO WE GOT HERE? JAMAL. JAMAL LOVES. >> IT. >> YEAH . LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE. >> I’M PRETTY EXCITED FOR THIS CARD. >> BY THE WAY. THEY DON’T DO THIS ANYMORE. >> I KNOW, I WISH THEY DID IT. >> WE DON’T GET THE OPEN WORD. LOOK AT THAT CREW. THERE. KHALIL, CAN WE JUST TALK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT ALL THIS NONSENSE REGARDING HIM HAVING CUSTOM SHORTS? I MEAN, ARE WE THAT BORED? ARE WE THAT BORED TO WHERE WE’RE DEBATING WHO DESERVES AND WHO DOESN’T DESERVE CUSTOM SHORTS? >> GIVE EVERYONE CUSTOM SHORTS. >> WHO GIVES A? >> GIVE EVERYONE CUSTOM SHORTS TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYONE IS JUST WEARING THEIR OWN SHORTS. >> I HATE. WELL, YEAH, WHICH IS WHAT IT USED TO BE. THESE ARE HIS SHORTS. THEY’RE SICK. HE’S A UFC HEADLINER MULTIPLE TIMES. HE’S A UFC TITLE CONTENDER. HE WAS ONE HALF OF ONE OF THE BEST FIGHTS OF 2024. AND HE TOOK ALEX PEREIRA TO THE BRINK. YEAH, I’D SAY HE DESERVES CUSTOM SHORTS, FOR SAKE. I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS IS EVEN A THING. I CAN’T BELIEVE IT’S EVEN A THING LIKE THAT. PEOPLE EVEN CARE OR TALK ABOUT. OH, HE DESERVES CUSTOM SHORTS. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER WHEN EVERYONE HAD THEIR OWN LOOK. EVEN AT THE WORKOUTS, THE FACT THAT THEY’RE ALL WEARING THE SAME. THING IS LUDICROUS. LUDICROUS? WHAT IS. >> THIS. >> SILLINESS? DON’T GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL THIS CUSTOM SHORTS AND NONSENSE. AND THAT’S WHY IF I’M AN UPSTART ORGANIZATION, I SAY WEAR WHATEVER THE HELL YOU. >> WANT. GO CRAZY. >> BE UNIQUE, BE. >> YOURSELF. BE DIFFERENT. >> HAVE A FUN WALKOUT. SORT OF LIKE WHAT DUSTIN POIRIER IS TRYING TO DO ON JULY 19 IN NEW ORLEANS. HE HE SPOKE TO FULL VIOLENCE. YOU’LL RECALL, ON THIS HERE PROGRAM. >> HE SAID. >> HE WANTED TO HAVE LIL WAYNE WALK. >> HIM OUT. >> AND HE SPOKE TO FULL VIOLENCE AND. SAID HIS GUY SAID HE’S IN. WE’RE STILL A GOOD WAYS OUT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, YES. THAT’S VERY EXCITING. LIL WAYNE WALKING OUT, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT THEY DON’T USUALLY DO FOR WHATEVER REASON. RIGHT. AND SO I LOVE THIS. ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO GET TO. >> SUPERCHATS . >> THEIR EXTRA SUPER TODAY. YES. STARTING WITH BOYD WITH THE TOUGH TOURNEY FORMAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF A FIGHT GOES TO SUDDEN DEATH ROUND AND THAT THIRD ROUND IS SCORED A 99? HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED AND HOW WOULD THEY DETERMINE WHO ADVANCES? THANKS. >> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT HAS EVER HAPPENED. ALTHOUGH I AM NO TOUGH AFICIONADO, I DON’T BELIEVE IT’S EVER HAPPENED . I COULD BE WRONG. SO HOW WOULD THEY DETERMINE? I DON’T KNOW, IT’S A GOOD QUESTION . ANYONE HAVE ANY GUESSES? WOULD THEY JUST GO TO ANOTHER ROUND. >> OR THEY JUST VOTES, I ASSUME. >> OR DO THEY REMATCH THEM THE NEXT DAY? >> COIN TOSS. >> COIN TOSS? >> YEAH, I DON’T KNOW. I DON’T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. IT’S A GOOD QUESTION. I’M GOING TO ASK CRAIG BORSARI OR CRAIG PILIGIAN OR EVEN DANA WHITE HIMSELF. WHAT ELSE? >> JAY DASH IF WE AREN’T GETTING TOM, JOHN OR ISLAMIYYA, WHAT IS THE MOST EXCITING FIGHT UFC COULD MAKE THAT’S NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED? I THINK JOSH VAN MOVES UP TO 135 AND TAKES ON MALCOLM THE MACHINE AND A FIVE ROUND MAIN EVENT FIGHT NIGHT CARD. >> I LOVE CORY SANDHAGEN VERSUS MERAB DVALISHVILI LOVE. >> IT. THAT COUNT? >> LET’S SEE. HEAVYWEIGHT LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT. MIDDLEWEIGHT I MEAN, HE SAID NOT BOOKED. SO HAMZA DDP IS A GREAT. >> ONE. >> WELTERWEIGHT JDM SEAN BRADY VERSUS IAN GARY I LOVE THAT FIGHT. I’M GOING WITH. >> THAT ONE. >> THAT’S MY. >> PICK. >> WHAT ELSE? >> JAKE FROM WINDY CITY AERIAL WONDERING IF YOU’VE EVER INTERVIEWED DON KING? WHERE WOULD YOU RANK HIM IN THE LIST OF ALL TIME PROMOTERS? >> I MEAN, CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THE ALL TIME BEST. AND IN THE 80s AND 90s WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH IN THE MIX THESE DAYS, NOT SO MUCH, BUT STILL, STILL GOING A POLARIZING FIGURE, NO. DOUBT A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE, NO DOUBT. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE GREATEST BOXING PROMOTERS OF ALL TIME, HE’S UP THERE, THERE’S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. AND STILL DOING IT? ABSOLUTELY. STILL DOING IT. BY THE WAY, I. SAW BRIAN NORMAN JR. IS FIGHTING IN IN JAPAN IN A COUPLE DAYS. HE’S A TOP RANKED FIGHTER. AND THERE’S BOB ARUM 92. I THINK HE. >> IS . BOB ARUM HOLD. >> BORN IN 1931. THAT WOULD BE 94 DECEMBER. SO HE’S 93. I MEAN. LIKE FOR A 93 YEAR. OLD TO BE CONSISTENTLY FLYING ALL THE WAY TO JAPAN IS ABSURD. THE WORK. >> ETHIC. >> THE MOTOR, UNBELIEVABLE. ANYWAY, THAT JUST BECAUSE DON KING HAS GOT TO BE UP THERE NOW TOO, PROBABLY IN HIS. >> 80s. 31. 93 AS. >> WELL, BORN THE SAME YEAR. >> HOW ABOUT IT? STILL KICKING. REMARKABLE. >> ONLY IN. >> AMERICA. >> WHAT ELSE? COSMO KRAMER IS DANA COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT ON PROMOTING MMA? >> I DON’T THINK SO. BUT YOU COULD SEE, LIKE WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE I LOVE THE WAY HE TALKS ABOUT THE CRAWFORD CANELO THING. MY FIRST FORAY INTO BOXING , EIGHT YEARS AFTER, YOU KNOW, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT AND PROMISING IT IS GOING TO BE CRAWFORD CANELO WHEN IN REALITY THEY’RE NOT FOOTING THE BILL. IT’S TURKEY WHO’S FOOTING THE BILL LIKE IT IS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT’S I MEAN, WHEN YOU’RE TALKING TO SOME OF THESE GUYS, THEY DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, BUT IT’S A PHENOMENAL DEAL FOR ZUFFA. BOXING TKO. IT’S PHENOMENAL DEAL. YOU GET TO PUT ON THE FIGHT. YOU GET TO WORK WITH NETFLIX. YOU GET TO TO GO TO ALLEGIANT STADIUM. YOU GET ALL THE GLORY, ALL THE ATTENTION. WE PUT THIS ON, WE’RE PROMOTING IT, BUT YOU DON’T REALLY HAVE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT. YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL. IT’S LIKE THE GREAT BILL PARCELLS ONCE SAID, IF THEY WANT YOU TO COOK THE DINNER, THE LEAST THEY COULD DO IS LET YOU BUY THE GROCERIES. WELL, IN THIS CASE, THE GROCERIES ARE BEING PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE. THE DINNER IS BEING COOKED BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT YOU GET ALL THE ACCOLADES AS IF YOU’RE THE CHEF. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING, FRANK? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> PROUD OF THAT ONE. >> WHAT ELSE? MP SINCE OVER 50 PESOS. >> OH, BY THE WAY, I DIDN’T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT I DON’T THINK HE’S CHECKED OUT. BUT I THINK AS FAR AS, LIKE, THE NITTY GRITTY, LIKE HE’S JUST NOT AS INVESTED. HE’S THE TYPE OF GUY THAT NEEDS A CHALLENGE. HE NEEDS SOMETHING. AND SO LIKE THE BOXING, THE SLAP FIGHTING, THE BJJ, THE THE ENERGY DRINK, THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE THE ARMY PARADES, THESE THINGS EXCITE HIM. I THINK IT’S IT’S A BYPRODUCT OF THE SUCCESS OF THE UFC IS THAT THIS THING JUST KIND OF GOES ON WITHOUT HIM. LIKE HE’S NOT AS NEEDED. TWO DEGREES. I STILL THINK A PROMOTER IS NEEDED, BUT THERE’S A CASE TO BE MADE THAT THE WHOLE MACHINE JUST KIND OF FEEDS ITSELF AT THIS POINT. OKAY, BACK. TO YEAH. >> THANK YOU. MP SENDS OVER 50 PESOS KEEPING UP THE TURNING HEEL SUBJECT. PICTURE THIS. >> WOW. >> TURNING ON ILYA AND FIGHTING HIM FOR THE BELT , SAYING I’M THE REAL TOPURIA. >> TO A DEGREE. I MEAN, SAYING I’M THE REAL TOPURIA IS A LITTLE WEIRD. THEY’RE BOTH TOPURIA, SO IT HAS TO BE LIKE AN OWEN HART BRET HART THING, LIKE YOU WERE STEALING MY SHINE. YOU WERE STEALING MY, YOU KNOW, MY MY, MY THUNDER. I WAS IN YOUR SHADOWS. I’M THE REAL CHAMPION OF THE FAMILY. I’M THE ONE WHO’S GOING TO BRING GLORY TO THE FAMILY. NOT SHAME. LIKE YOU. I BELIEVE IN MY ROOTS. I SUPPORT THE FAMILY. I SEND BACK MONEY TO THE PARENTS. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT’S NOT A IT’S NOT A BAD SHOW. WHAT ELSE? >> MMA? ARIEL, GIVE YOUR KID A DUMB PHONE. IT’S CALL AND TEXT ONLY. >> YEAH, HE HAS A AN APPLE WATCH, AND I AND I TEND TO FEEL LIKE THAT’S ENOUGH, BUT APPARENTLY NOT. >> IT’S LIKE DICK TRACY. YOU CAN, LIKE, CALL. >> HE NEVER. HE NEVER TAKES IT. HE HE NEVER CHARGES. >> IT. >> WELL, IF HE’S NOT SHOWING THE RESPONSIBILITY, THAT’S ANOTHER THING. LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE IPAD DOES HE TAKE CARE OF THE APPLE WATCH. >> YOUR LIPS. TO GOD’S EARS. I SAY THAT ALL THE TIME. >> IF YOU CAN. >> IF YOU DON’T REMEMBER TO TAKE THE WATCH, HOW CAN I TRUST YOU TO. YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING? >> WAIT. HAS HE LOST A WATCH OR IPAD? >> HE LOST IT ONCE. AND ALSO, HE JUST NEVER REMEMBERS TO TAKE IT. SO HE’LL GO TO HIS FRIEND’S HOUSE AND BE LIKE, OKAY, YOU HAVE YOUR WATCH, I’LL TEXT YOU. OH, I FORGOT IT. WELL. >> AND THEN, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I FORGOT TO BUY YOU A PHONE. MY KID’S DROPPED HIS PHONE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND HE’S LIKE, ASKED ME FOR A NEWER MODEL. AND I’M LIKE, BRO, I’M NOT SHELLING OUT THE CASH JUST SO YOU CAN DROP IT AGAIN. >> ISN’T IT NICE TO KNOW THAT HE’S NOT, LIKE, ATTACHED TO THAT THING SO MUCH THAT MAYBE HE WON’T BE ATTACHED TO AN IPHONE LIKE THAT? >> ALL THINGS CONSIDERED THOUGH, IF I’M BEING HONEST, IT IS NICE. IT DOES SAY A LOT ABOUT HIM, LIKE HE’LL BRING IT UP, BUT THIS ISN’T A CONSTANT CONVERSATION. THIS ISN’T LIKE HIM HOUNDING US, CRYING, THROWING A FIT. HE’S LIKE, THIS SUCKS. I’M THE IPAD KID. AND THEN HE MOVES ON LIKE HE IT. SO IT I THINK IT’S ACTUALLY SAYING A LOT ABOUT WHO HE IS AND HOW COMFORTABLE HE IS IN HIS SKIN. HE DOESN’T FEEL LIKE HE NEEDS THE PHONE TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THE COOL CROWD. KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES. BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, HE IS THE COOL CROWD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> THERE WE GO. >> YOU SAW HIM UP THERE, FRANK, ON SUNDAY. HE WAS OWNING THE MOMENT. >> THAT WAS THERE. DAMN. >> WOW. OKAY, WHAT ELSE? >> SLOPPY MMA. WHO WOULD YOU GIVE TO? WELL, MAKER NEXT? HE’S 31, SO A BIT OF A FASTER PUSH, PERHAPS, THAN IF HE WERE A YOUNGER PROSPECT AS A HOBBY. >> MAYBE A BIT OF. A BIT OF A JUMP. THERE. MARCUS MCGHEE NUMBER 13. GETTING PETER YAN AT THREE IS CRAZY . YOU’VE GOT MONTEL JACKSON, YOU’VE GOT VINICIUS OLIVEIRA. YOU DON’T NECESSARILY NEED HIM TO FIGHT A TOP 15 GUY JUST YET. LET’S BUILD THEM UP, GET A FEW MORE KNOCKOUTS. LET’S DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY. BUT I LOVE THE GUY, I LOVE HIM, I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM. HIS BODY REMINDS ME. AND LIKE, JUST HIS GENERAL DEMEANOR REMINDS ME A LOT OF BENSON HENDERSON. ALTHOUGH HENDERSON WASN’T KNOCKING PEOPLE OUT LIKE THAT. HE’S JUST A LOT OF FUN AND HE’S AN EASY GUY TO ROOT FOR, SO THEY’VE GOT SOMETHING SPECIAL. I REPOSTED A HIGHLIGHT REEL VIDEO THAT SOMEONE MADE OF HIM. JUST AMAZING, AMAZING STUFF. WHAT ELSE? >> LASTLY, YES, SIR. TEN TO THIRD SAYS IF LIL WAYNE WAS. >> TALKING BACK THERE, WHAT’S HAPPENING? >> FRANK’S OVER HERE STRESSING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE USED REYES CORRECTLY. >> OH YEAH. >> YOU REALLY GOT. >> IN HIS DID I DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? HE’S LIKE, THIS GUY GOES ON CAMERA AND TALKS ABOUT GLAZING NONSTOP . WOW. >> ONCE SAID THAT TO YOU IN CONFIDENCE. >> OH. >> I DIDN’T SAY TO ME AT ALL. YOU SAID IT TO JORDAN. WE JUST OVERHEARD YOU. >> AND BY THE WAY, BY THE WAY, WHAT’S WRONG WITH GLAZING? >> GLAZING? GLAZING IS WORSE. >> WELL. >> WE’LL TALK ABOUT THIS OFF THE AIR. >> YEAH. >> YOU SHOULDN’T BE THROWING IT AS WILLY NILLY AS YOU DO. LET’S BE. >> YOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT SUSS. >> I WAS CORRECT, BOTH OF THOSE. >> SHOULD. >> NOT BE USED. >> AS OFTEN. I’M GONNA SAY. IS YOUR GLAZES. >> CASUALLY THERE. OKAY. RIGHT. >> I THINK THEY’RE FINE. YEAH, I THINK THEY’RE. RIZ IS THE MOST FUN. IT’S JUST, BY THE WAY, FOR CHARISMA. >> I WAS JUST THAT THEY’RE NOT FINE. >> BY THE WAY. I WAS JUST GIVING YOU, MAN. >> GLAZE, I WAS PROUD OF YOUR KID. HE HAD THE GLASSES ON. HE HAD ALL OF THOSE KIDS, LIKE, SHOUTING HIM OUT. I’M LIKE,. LIKE THAT IS. >> YEAH. >> YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID HE HAD AURA, FRANK. >> AURA. HE HAD AURA. YOU JUST MISUSED IT. THAT’S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. I WASN’T SAYING IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. >> IT’S FINE. >> BY THE WAY. GLAZING IS TOTALLY FINE. AND I USED IT IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT. I DON’T EVEN REMEMBER. >> THAT’S NOT FINE. >> IT’S JUST THE THE THE THE. >> I’M AN OLD GUY SAYING IT. >> NO GLAZING. >> AND SUSS. >> HAVE SEXUAL INNUENDOS. >> THEY’RE COMING FROM A PLACE THAT THAT ISN’T JUST LIKE BEING, YOU KNOW, AN AVID SUPPORTER OF PEOPLE . >> NOW, WHEN DID I USE IT? TODAY. I DON’T EVEN REMEMBER. >> YES, FRANK. FRANK. WAS IT FRANK? FRANK HAS A GLAZE COUNTER. >> I’M. NOW. WHAT IS THIS? WAS IT. >> THE P? ALL RIGHT, SLIP OF THE TONGUE. OFF. >> YEAH. >> YOU GOT IN FRANK’S HEAD. NOW FRANK HAS GOTTEN IT BACK IN YOUR HEAD. HE YOU GOT IN. >> YOUR HEAD. PUIG. IT’S BEEN A LONG DAY. IS THAT WHEN I USED IT? WHEN DID I USE IT? >> HONESTLY I DON’T. >> YEAH, I THINK YOU DID USE IT. YEAH. AND YOU’RE LIKE, THAT’S WHAT THE KID’S SAYING. HE’S LIKE. >> THAT’S RIGHT. HE DID SAY. >> THAT. OH, THAT WAS GREAT. >> BY THE WAY. >> HIS KIDS. >> HIS KIDS ARE SUPER YOUNG, SO HE WOULDN’T KNOW ABOUT. >> THAT WHEN HE ASKED YOU. >> YOU’RE USING LINGO THAT HE’S NOT READY FOR YET. >> THE CROWE AND STING AND YOU KIND OF NODDED ALONG. DID YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO? I WAS GENUINELY CURIOUS HERE. >> 1,000%. LISTEN, THIS IS MY. >> MAKING SURE. >> CRAIG, THE SINGER. >> YEAH, I’M GONNA PUT ON A RED CROW. >> CROWE WAS. WAIT, DON’T TELL ME. DON’T TELL ME. WELL . >> YOU KNOW THIS. >> YES. JOAQUIN PHOENIX OR RIVER PHOENIX? DIDN’T ONE OF THEM DIE? >> BRANDON LEE, THE DAUGHTER OF BRUCE. >> RIVER. >> THE DAUGHTER, THE SON OF BRUCE LEE. >> DAUGHTER. WAIT A SECOND, WAIT A SECOND. WHAT SET DID HE DIE ON? >> THE CROW, BRANDON. >> LEE BRANDON LEE DIED ON IT. >> YEAH. >> SO? SO, JOAQUIN PHOENIX, WHEN DID HE DIE? >> HIS YOUNGER BROTHER. WHAT DIED INSIDE. >> RIVER PHOENIX. DIED? >> YES. DIED OUTSIDE OF JOHNNY DEPP’S CLUB. YEAH. >> OH, IS THIS AN OVERDOSE? >> YEAH. YEAH. >> OKAY, I GOT CONFUSED. >> NO, BRANDON LEE WAS. >> BRANDON LEE DIED ON THE SET, RIGHT? >> THERE WAS A MISHANDLING OF THE FIREARM THING, AND HE DIED CRAZY. >> AWFUL. >> BRUCE LEE’S FREAKING SON. >> I KNOW LEGEND, SO I REMEMBER WHEN THAT ALL HAPPENED. I REMEMBER THE MOVIE. AND THEN AND THEN STING WENT FROM BEING LIKE THE SURFER DUDE WITH THE BLEACH BLOND HAIR SPIKED AND THE THE, THE COLORFUL PAINT TO THE DARK AND DISTURBED GUY . AND AS MARK SAID, HE DIDN’T SPEAK FOR OVER A YEAR. >> WHICH WAS. >> TREMENDOUS. DO YOU DO YOU REMEMBER THIS, FRANK? >> YEAH I DO, YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE WRESTLERS. >> THE SINGER. >> JESUS. ALL RIGHT. SO IS IT TRUE? >> WERE YOU A STING GUY? >> YEAH. YOU WATCHED THE POUND FOR POUND. >> OH, YEAH. SINGING THE POLICE EARLIER. >> YEAH. OH, WHAT ELSE? >> SO AS I WAS SAYING, SIR, SPLITTING TEN. THE THIRD SAYS IF LIL WAYNE WALKED YOU OUT TO A FIGHT, WHAT SONG IS HE PERFORMING FOR? YOU ASKING ALL THE BOYS. I DON’T HAVE AN ANSWER. >> I KIND OF SCREWED THAT UP. I WAS SINGING THE CORMIER SONG RIGHT ABOVE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. ANYWAY, PROBABLY. >> IS THAT LIL WAYNE FEATURING DRAKE, OR IS THAT DRAKE FEATURING LIL WAYNE? >> STILL WORKS. >> ALL MY EXES LIVE IN TEXAS LIKE I’M GEORGE STRAIT. >> GIVE ME. YEAH, GIVE ME A MILLI. >> A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI. >> THAT ONE. >> YEAH. >> GREAT TRACK. >> SIX FOOT, SEVEN FOOT. >> YEAH. >> I WAS NEVER A HUGE WEEZY. >> GUY. >> NOT EVEN HOT BOYZ. >> ERA. >> NO, HE’S ALL RIGHT. WHAT, YOU MEAN, LIKE WHAT YOU MEAN? BOY, I NEED A HOT BOY. I NEED ONE BOY. >> THAT ONE. >> I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S. >> OH. >> OR WAS THAT JUVENILE. >> CASH MONEY MILLIONAIRES? >> I LOVE CASH MONEY. I WAS HUGE INTO, LIKE, THE MASTER P NO LIMIT SOLDIERS . MYSTIKAL. THAT WHOLE ERA. YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT. >> THAT? >> YEAH, WE KNOW. >> ABOUT IT, FRANK. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT’S IT. >> I GOTTA BE HONEST. GOING FROM LIKE, ALL THE EMOTIONS OF THIS PAST WEEKEND. WOW. OKAY. WHY IS THE SONG. >> ALWAYS BACK HERE? >> WHY DOES THE SONG ALWAYS START, LIKE, MID-SONG? LET’S TRY THAT AGAIN. >> HERE WE GO. >> NO , I AM EXHAUSTED. I AM EXHAUSTED. LUCKY FOR ME, WE’RE DOING ANOTHER SHOW ON FRIDAY. THAT’S GOING TO BE AT THE FANATICS FEST IN NEW YORK. THE JACOB JAVITS CENTER. IF YOU’RE IN THE IN THE VICINITY, COME CHECK US OUT. 3:00 LIVE ON THE COLD AS BALLS STAGE. WE’RE SANDWICHED BETWEEN ADAM SILVER AND A POD FEATURING DAMAR HAMLIN AND PJ TUCKER, WHICH IS KIND OF INSANE BECAUSE THAT’S A BUFFALO BILL IN A NEW YORK KNICK. AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER OF THE NBA. AND THEN IT’S US IN THE MIDDLE. WE’RE THE WE’RE THE WHITE STUFF OF THE OREO. THERE. THE MIDDLE PORTION, THE BALONEY. THAT’S KIND OF COOL RIGHT. WHO’S EXCITED? >> HELL YEAH I’M EXCITED. >> I’M EXCITED. >> TO. >> EXCITED ABOUT. >> LIVE SHOWS ARE ALWAYS JUST A LITTLE EXTRA. YOU KNOW. >> YEAH. >> THE JAVITS CENTER. >> AND YEAH, I THINK THE PLAN IS SO THIS WON’T AIR LIVE. BUT I THINK WE’RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO AIR IT NEXT WEEK. RIGHT. >> WE WILL BE ABLE TO AIR IT NEXT WEEK. >> YEAH. SO WE’LL HAVE ICE CUBE AND MAYBE ONE MORE GUEST SHORT SHOW, 45 MINUTES. >> YEAH. >> BITE SIZE. >> WE’LL GIVE IT TO YOU AS PART OF THE REST OF THE PROGRAM. >> YES, YES. SO IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, IT’LL BE A GRAND OLD TIME AND THEY’LL BE ON FRIDAY. AND THEN A BIG WEEK NEXT WEEK. TOMORROW, OF COURSE, BOYS IN THE BACK. SEND IN YOUR VOICEMAILS. WHAT’S THAT NUMBER, BY THE WAY? WHAT’S THAT NUMBER AGAIN? >> 415. >> SUP BY TB. THAT’S RIGHT. THERE IT IS. MARC RAIMONDI. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO HIM. THANK YOU TO CORY SANDHAGEN. THANK YOU TO PAUL WALTER HAUSER. THANK YOU TO JCC JUNIOR. HAVE YOU EVER GONE THIS FAR PAST THE MUSIC? BACK TOMORROW. SAME TIME PLACE TILL I SAY PEACE. I’M OUTTA. >> HERE.
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Paul Walter-Hauser was great in Kingdom. An MMA tv show I recommend
Cory lost to aljo for a #1 contender fight, lost to Yan for the intern belt , lost to tj ( questionable to some) lost to Umar . He’s a bit overrated, regardless This is his last shot at the belt .
Sunrise FL 954
How about this –
Aspinall is 2 minutes away from beating JJ by Unanimous decision
But wait..
DC distracts Herb Dean from cage sign and slips JJ the steel chair!
JJ hits Aspinall and wins by KO.
Dc enters the octagon and lifts JJ arm in the air.
The greatest heel tag team of all time is formed
Just open up YouTube and I can’t wait to see JCC Jr. interview 🔥🤛
28:13 question asker got terrorised twice in quick succession haha
WE ARE Here For Ariel ! !!!!! Please Keep the other guys Behind the Camera please 🙏. It's hard enough keeping up with all the Fighters and such . Don't need to see the camera guys 🙏🙏🙏❤️
Such a long show with so few guests worth listening to……. unless you like wrestling 😂🤣
I got my first phone, Nokia brick, when I was 16 (2004) and didn’t get a smart phone until 2017
Keith from Kingdom! The best MMA show period. So sad when it finished. If it had been a Netflix produced show it would have run for at least 2 more seasons. They never should have ended the show storyline wise. Nate (Nick Jonas' character) never should have been killed off. The show would have been picked up by another network or streaming service.
NO mention of Ben Askren?
I know one when I see one. PWH is on something
10:46 you said one of the best questions in a long time and didn’t even bother to try and say the poor blokes name smh COME ON ARIEL!!!!😂😂
Raimondi what a freaking mind of journalism, loved him everywhere where he showed up, great questions on ufc pressers too back in the days
Your son may want a cell phone now. But he will thank u years later. Hell yea for sticking to your guns Ariel. More parents should do the same. I tried to do the same for my son years ago but sank under pressure lol
42:35
Though I understand the reason for changing On the Nose's jingle, let's be honest: Mike Heck's was wayyyyyy better.
As a wrestling and mma fan I gotta say I really appreciate Ariel blending the two on his show , him talking about wrestling has got friends of mine to give it a chance and given me people to watch it with so a big thank you to Ariel for all his great work.
Cory saying hes gonna "out masterclass" Merab lol. Its like saying you're going to out shoot Steph Curry.
You beat Merab by ring aggressive and looking for damage. Don’t point fight him. If you’re in the clinch throw elbows, throw elbows while on your back. I think Cory will give Merab some damage this fight. Make him back up this fight. Make him run away. Don’t give an inch, throw front kick, knees upper cuts. Up elbows. Control the center with threats, and pressure him back. Don’t be scared, go out with nothing to lose and damage on your mind. Try to damage his eyes, knees. Only way I think he gets beats is by compromising him early in the fight with big damage.
My full question.
Hello Ariel
We've talked alot about Jon Jones getting stripped of the belt but he fought last in November 16th, 7 months ago. I understand we have Aspinal waiting but shouldn't Jon out of any fighter have the choice to pick when he fights? Ariel you once said " If a champion does not defend his title for 12 months or a champion is not booked within 12 months, the UFC has the right to strip the Champion." Let's not pretend you haven't been talking about the UFC forcing Jon to fight or have him be stripped since spring time. When Conor went 500 days without defending did you make hours of videos calling for him to be stripped? Was it fair to strip Germaine De Randamie only 5 months of winning the belt?
On a different note, GC you ever use the show to get a girls number? Pull up a clip of you on the bike or something?
Love you guys, see ya in Vegas
How much wrestling is talked about during the in studio guests?
Love the BLEND of sports talk in all forms keeps me informed of everything
On the heel-question, how can Aleksandre Topuria vs Merab not be mentioned??!
Ariel, I know it’s been many years since the show has ended, but I think it would be really cool to have Jonathan Tucker, and Frank Grillo on from Kingdom.
How is Ariel blocking his grown man son from cell phones and females
IPAD BOY IS CRAZY 😂
"Glazing is fine"- Ariel 2025
So now Ariel's scraping the barrel and interviewing D-List actors.
Sad downfall from the MMA Hour days.
53:05 “wat de fook is dat” 🗣️ 😂
GIVE HIM A PHONE! The bullying he gets for not having one is worse than what you're worried about. These are the times we are in.
MU…JELLO
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While Cory is starting to get likeable……..sam alvey…entrance level
Wow Simon Miller name drop love it
Corey didn't sound like he's got the gameplan to win against Merab. He's going to wrestle him is what Umar did, who beat Corey and lost to Merab.