Ben Griffin joins the show. He’s fresh off playing Oakmont and fresh off his first two Tour wins. We discuss what to expect at this week’s U.S. Open, strategies that might work, playing with Scottie in The Memorial’s final round and much more. Before Ben, the crew is in Pittsburgh debating whether Open carnage is good or bad for viewing, picks, Rory’s tumultuous Canadian Open, and more.
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LIVE FROM LONGUE VUE GOLF CLUB – 1:42
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major championship week and we’ve got a major show today it’s all brought to you by Chevy Equinox EV athletic bold commanding if it’s distance you’re looking for equinox EV offers 319 miles of EPA estimated electric range with frontwheel drive i talked to Ben Griffin about getting more distance actually so Ben Griffin’s on the show for the second half coming fresh off a practice round at Oakmont playing fantastic golf and then we myself Trent and Beef are here in Pittsburgh we debate what we want to see out of the US Open what we’re expecting out of the US Open and really there’s quite a bit to talk about gentlemen yeah a lot of Oakmont talk a spirited discussion I would say about what kind of results we want from the US Open this week at Oakmont um I talk about my weekend in Maine we talk a little bit about Rory it’s a packed show first time BT Crosses are at the uh tour event that’s right major Major big week first time ever in a major let’s go Al let’s go Al uh leave the driving to Equinox EV and show up to the course energized with available Super Cruise hands-free driver assistance technology equinox EV they’ve got this massive 17inch diagonal center screen the largest of any EV in its class it really is impressive we’ve seen it in a ton of different vehicles including the Equinox EV when it comes to EVs folks Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make it’s a brand play you know and you’re the only guy rocking Aviators winning golf tournaments out there on tour yep tigers got red Ricky’s got orange I’ve got Aviators i mean that’s where we’re at [Music] foreplay presented by Barcel Sports it is United States Open Week and we are live from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania we’re at Long View is it golf club golf Club this place is unbelievable it’s got all kinds of history we’re in this clubhouse that feels like it’s been here since you know before the Mayflower got here yeah this is one of those it’s right up my alley we’ve talked about different clubous different feel and I like the old school feel i love the feel of Oakmont when we were there about a month ago how about the locker room here the locker room’s great it feels like um a couple of the places we went to when we were in Scotland that’s the feel caky Stairs is a big one for me we were walking upstairs to the men’s locker room and there was a creek to it i love that you know all due respect to the Liberty Nationals and all those of the world but I’m more of an Aaron Hills Oakmont Long View guy yeah i mean this was uh 1923 it looked like on their website it’s perched right here on the river so this place aesthetically is fantastic yeah really really cool i can’t wait to see the actual golf course this is one I know this Taylor Ray who works on our events team and sets a lot of these up does all the leg work crushes it he uh he was saying he kind of just reached out to them through social because you see he’s like had seen pictures of it and whatnot and we I I don’t I’ll have to comb through and look at some of the other courses but in the Pittsburgh area there’s like a handful of courses that have that sort of old school the architecture afficionados love it and this is one of them this like Fox Chapel Long View Oakmont there’s a couple others that are up there uh Latroe I believe that’s where uh Arie’s from yeah and I think they got a really cool one there that’s historic and whatnot so anyways excited to see the golf course but we are here for the Steel City Scramble that we’re going to be kicking off throughout the day today great show we got Ben Griffin on the podcast he’s won twice in the last couple months including team win his first individual win and then he followed that up with a second place finish at the Memorial just a week ago where he played in the final group with Scotty Sheffller and then he went from the Memorial to last Monday played Oakmont played a little practice round a nice squeaky you got out of your cup there i know i was hoping that wouldn’t send anybody into a tizzy dude you do that enough that’ll like some people that’s nails on a chalkboard yesterday in the flight I felt so bad the guy next to me uh his seat whenever he would go to recline just had like the loudest squeak for every millimeter that he reclined yeah and he would do it and then kind of look over and be like and then do it again and I was like I think you just got to rip the band-aid off so he did but then every time he got up to go to the bathroom he do so then we’re about halfway through the flight and I decided to recline for the first time and did the same thing and you just looked over at me and we were both just like “God we’re deep in it right now.” I think there’s a real chance on planes nowadays you could scream and 98% of the people aren’t going to hear you because of headphones i think about that too sometimes like if I’m coughing loudly or if I like accidentally my phone goes off and I didn’t mean it to sniffles you get the sniffles sometimes yeah no I think if you look around everybody is in their own world you can do whatever you want sort of like New York City a little bit very much you can get away with anything i mean people are screaming in New York people are dressed crazy you know whatever you’re in your own tunnel people don’t even look at you nope yeah it is kind of like that on a flight um but Ben Griffy came to Oakmont uh the day after the memorial so a week ago played it and uh and then uh I interviewed him late last week for about 45 minutes he is great he’s a phenomenal interview he’s a very thoughtful person um you know he’s mortgage lending at Lord Abbott for a while so he’s got some good life experience we talked a little business at one point he’s got a little side hustle he was getting into we had him on the live show back in the beginning that he had a side hustle oh yeah he brought it up you know he’s like uh optimizing uh short-term rentals and we were getting into that cuz obviously by the way that’s a bunch of fake words right there that’s like that’s how you get you call you you like cold call and you say “You want to invest in this small rental optimization?” And they’re like “Yeah here’s my entire bike account.” You calling Ben Griffin a little pyramid scheme guy no i I just I mean I think he should probably just I mean he’s doing so well with the golf stuff like that’s that’s the real business right there like what do you clear second place at the Memorial probably over a mill yeah probably over a mill for sure but uh you know as a guy that does own a short-term rental in Pioners I was like give it to me talk to me feed me what do I need to know true i’m I don’t So I’m I’m I’m really bitter is what I am yeah so is Ben Griffin now your property manager well you know I might have to reach back out to him he’s a little busy might be doing a little business here uh we did a good like 20 minutes maybe 25 minutes just on Oakmont and he went through what it’s going to take strategy mindset uh you know what he expects he talked about winning score which I know we’re going to get into here we put that clip out which is doing very well because everybody wants kind of carnage uh he talked about his kind of streak this year you know when we chatted with him at the Phoenix Open you know he didn’t he didn’t play in the Masters this year right like when we saw him at WM you know he was Ben Griffin but he was sort of like finishing 47th and that sort of and again since then he has gone on an absolute tear uh playing phenomenal golf he’s maybe you know he’s probably a top five hottest player in the world of golf right now he went toe-to-toe with Scotty at the memorial uh we got into that what it was like being inside the ropes paired up with him and then a ton of US Open talk which is very relevant uh this week so that’s going to be the second half of the show with Ben Griffin um other things we got to get into is uh we got a new Father’s Day edition of Breaking 85 yes so that’s out now if you’re listening uh it came out on Monday me my dad and Beef we went and played TBC Deer Run home of the John Deere Classic midwestern guy with Major that’s what I want i cuz Frankie’s on on baby duty and he he’s not of course he’s not traveling as much right now so I was like “All right I want to go play TBC Duro and I want to do Breaking 85 i want my dad to be there and I want beef to be there and I just want it to be a whole Midwest day we went to Portillos’s before my mom was there just hanging around she gave me cookies it was a very wholesome Midwest golf day joy is that your mom’s name joy is my mom’s name joy and Gary uh they made the drive to the Quad Cities which is about an hour and 15 minutes from Cedar Rapids not bad they were at the casino the night before did the whole thing they had a great time my mom loves the casino too oh yeah they they made a trip out of it they were you know they’re retired so they were like “Yeah we’re going to go the night before we’re hit the casino.” And when we got there it was very Midwest beef and I big hugs like very Midwest bring it in we’re all But also him and I drove Beef and I drove from Indianapolis because there was a classic and as soon as we got into town into East Molen a tornado warning went off and our phones went off and the sirens were going off the whole thing was very The whole thing was very Midwest so any long story short TBC Deer run me my dad beef breaking 85 it was a really fun day awesome so uh yeah that’s up that’s our latest video that we’ve put out so make sure you go check that out merchandise uh you know Father’s Day Fourth of July USA it’s US Open Week if you saw late last week we dropped uh kind of our latest with a bunch of different designs t-shirts cool like you know there’s the dogs at the turn there’s the Star Spangled Shootout shootout my favorite one which I wore to play Goatill Park on Friday and people were like “What’s that event?” A couple guys asked “What’s that event?” I was like “It’s just like something we made up.” They’re like “That is awesome.” We should host one in like DC or something of the sports it’s such a good name great name um but it’s a Yeah all the shirts are great a bunch of new designs there’s a great um American flag golf club hat that people really like yeah Fourth of July is coming summer’s coming dogs at the turn the whole deal i love when we do merch drops especially with a hat like the big American flag hat which is awesome by the way it is and uh and just seeing the internet in real time where you scroll through i don’t know i saw like seven comments in a row that were like “This hat’s unbelievable.” And then I saw a quote tweet right under that that was like “This is single-handedly the worst piece of merchandise I’ve ever seen created by anyone.” I was like “That is just that’s the internet haters are going to hate right beautiful.” And it’s like fashion too right like there’s some some people could wear that I would be like “That is preposterous.” And then someone right next to me be like “That’s the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.” That guy hates America that’s unfortunate it’s unfortunate hate to see that you do uh and then uh the latest hater episode is out as well i just wanted to uh quickly um comment on that that the funniest part about whenever we put out the hater videos are and this was predictable before but what my DMs now turn into oh yeah cuz everybody just wants to get on the show of course and so I just a PSA out there that I can see your history of messages and if you’ve been hating upon me for a long time fine continue yep but if you have just if you just start to spike and pick that up for the first time right after a hater video airs you’re pretty exposed like we can see what you’re doing bandwagon hater it’s crazy and other people got you beat by five six seven years right that are already in the pipelines respect the hell out of that i know committed to the game i know a new hater comes out and I know that’s doing well because that video is doing really well i I’ll get DMs and I get a lot of these and they’re um it’s all the same idea they say you know Rigs has got a hater series you should do like a lover series where you bring somebody out and we just have a really good day i I just I’ve noticed a really big uptick in those so I know that that video is doing well of yours dude and it is a I I see a ton of those as well that’s like “Hey man you’re doing you’re flying these haters out putting them up in a hotel and you’re getting a really nice course and playing around against them and that’s rewarding them for hating you we like love you guys is there any way like you do anything like that for the people that are big fans?” a fair point however the content would just kind of stink i know it’s there’s no conflict is not very entertaining there’s not a ton of like movies and great storytelling over history that have been done around zero conflict right like watch your local news and how many news stories are look at the local charity they’re donate like it’s all like look at this family having a barbecue where they all get along there’s a 40% in uptick in crime recently it’s like right right that’s how the story is going yeah so folk that’s on our radar and there’s stuff we’re we’re going to you know we’re going to work on trying to uh at least like uh wet that appetite a little bit because that’s fair it’s very fair point um go watch me and my dad play golf that’s that’s that’s pretty much it beef out there positive attitude lovers match that’s as close as we’re going to get to a lover’s match uh something another lover’s thing I comment on the uh how about you at the uh Chicks in the Office show and the FaceTime was just an alltime moment yeah so I I’m coming we’re in Pittsburgh now but I flew from Boston yesterday this weekend I was in Maine uh for the Chicks in the Office live show which I love doing those i’m I’m not in New York anymore so I do that podcast less and less which is really unfortunate because I love doing it but they still do ask me to go to these live shows and be a guest which is very nice and I’m always happy to do it and this one happened to be in Maine and I was these are the shows where they women throw their bras and panties at Trent Ryan in that world I am the luggage guy where I was on the Bachelor and I pulled the luggage and and that was a few years ago now but and this one was in Maine and I was sort of like I haven’t been watching the Bachelor as much so I didn’t have a I didn’t have any strong opinions on that and I was like I got to bring something to this show cuz otherwise I’m just going to go up there and sit there and they’re going to be like what’s new and I’m going to say I got nothing but I know you know we’ve gotten friendly with our guy superstar Noah Khan and he’s a big New England guy he’s got a song called Maine so I was like maybe I can FaceTime him so earlier in the day I texted him and was like “Hey man if you’re around I would love to FaceTime you i’m at this I’m gonna be at this live show in Maine you’re busy no worries.” It was a Saturday night or if you just don’t want to do it like you can tell me that and that’s totally fine he was like “Dude I’ll absolutely do it what time you want to do it?” I was like “I’ll be on stage 8:30 8:45 9:00 p.m.” And he was like “Perfect i’ll be around.” So we played it off like it was a spontaneous call because we thought that would be better so they they brought up like Noacon being like “Oh we’re in you know Noah Khan country crowd’s going crazy.” And I was like “Let’s FaceTime him.” And I was nervous the one thing I was nervous about was the service up there was really bad we were in O Gunquit Maine that’s not Look that up on a map we stayed in Portsouth then you got to drive 40 minutes north into Maine and you’ll be in O Gunquit and the service was horrible the whole time before the show whatever connected to the theater Wi-Fi facetimed him he picked up place went crazy um you know we had a little back and forth he was very funny the whole the crowd loved it and yeah it was a big moment it was shout out to him man no legitimately one of the biggest movie stars on planet Earth right now and he’s just hanging around on a Saturday and I can FaceTime him and he picks up entertains the crowd and he was very cool about it so yeah it was a great night and he’s just he’s an awesome guy you guys have played golf with him and spent time with him i know you know he’s kind of whatever i guess he pays attention to kind of what we do so I follow DM’d him like once or twice but I never really spent any time with him he seems like the most humble dude and normal dude for how big he is in the world i I feel like we say that about pretty much everybody we meet now but for him it’s particularly true and his story with us very quickly is he DM’d me a couple years ago cuz he had just gotten into he was getting into golf and he was like “Dude I love breaking 100 i love breaking 90.” And he was just like “I’m a huge fan of the videos.” Cuz I had followed him cuz I had been getting into his music like there’s people who have been into Noah Khan before he blew up he’s he blew up and he’ll tell you this like it it happened really fast like Tik Tok helped stick season blew up and all of a sudden I mean the first time I met him and we had gone back and forth but I he gave me tickets to a show at Madison Square Garden he sold out MSG two nights in a row and he was and like a couple years ago it wasn’t that way so um but yeah so him and I you know we kept a relationship when I was living in New York City at the time and there was a show at Mass Square Garden went met him we played golf a couple weeks later like blah blah blah so he loves us and the podcast and the videos and I I love his music i listen to him every single day i was listening to him this morning so the fact that I’m on a I’m on a level with him where I can FaceTime him at a Chicks in the Office live show was it’s stunning but he’s super cool he’s an ideal uh for car ride planes even on the golf course throw on like Noah Radio or something on Spotify and it’s going to be a winner after winner after winner you don’t have to like moderate the the playlist at all 100% his music is so it’s so damn good so people aren’t into him easy listen 1 hour 2 hour 3 hours all day right boom easy listen set it and forget it go the six season album you can listen to it there’s no skips on that album zero skips zero so that was my weekend in O Gunquip Maine which was which was really fun i love it i love it yeah all those clips were great just a smile on your face kind of clips canadian Open real quick uh friend of the program Sam Burns who we went shooting with people haven’t seen one of the great clips ever was Frankie taking his first shot with a uh with a shotgun with a shotgun we’re not talking alcohol we’re talking fired a gun and he was so I thought his body was going to disintegrate uh check that that video out if you haven’t because we spent a full day with Sam Burns down in is it Louisiana that we were in we were yeah we were in Louisiana and uh he’s an excellent guy he is just kind of true and true to who he is and himself he’s got you know from 10 minutes away from his golf club which is 10 minutes away from his home is like his property where he built this cottage that’s got all kinds of you know firearms cooler full of beer they hunt they fish they hang out and then he flies the golf tournaments and almost wins golf tournaments that’s pretty much what he does yeah and uh so seeing Sam Burns in there he was as close as you could possibly be to winning that golf tournament and unfortunately for him Ryan Fox the Kiwi came out and made a huge putt in the 72nd hole then they went to four different playoff holes I believe you know they the announcers kind of got Sam Burns like this guy’s the number one putter on tour when he had a five-footer to win the first playoff hole and then he missed the hole with it but you know kind of an interesting playoff where they just played the 18th hole over and over again after the the second attempt uh so then for the third attempt they changed the pin the hole location which I’ve never seen before in my life they went out there and changed the pin location uh as they were going up to the TE which everybody was kind of losing their mind on i didn’t really mind it whatever at that point in a playoff it’s like you could throw all kinds of crazy [ __ ] out there move some T’s around if you want right play from one hole to another hole i don’t care it’s a playoff it’s like you got to get through it we’ve been in that situation at Baral Classics before it’s like we’re running out of time here people got to catch play let’s just flip a T we’ll flip a tea whoever gets it they win i roll some dice let’s go who’s going to win this thing ended up the Ryan Fox had a great shot into the uh par five on the fourth playoff hole and um got the win but uh very notable just kind of playoff interesting Canadian Open the fans are great um and then the other most notable thing from that event was Roy Moy shooting a trillion kind of came out of nowhere what did he shoot did he shoot 78 on Friday his shot he was nine over I believe total for the tournament listen I we don’t have to revisit the conversation that we had um last week about Rory but like I mean you weren’t there beef but we were basically talking like we don’t know what this guy’s deal is you know he skipped media at the event right after then didn’t call Jack about the memorial it’s like this guy might just be riding the postmasters wind glow and wave or he might just take up woodworking and retire and be like I’m kind of done with golf hey he’s earned it right he’s of course he has right he’s got he’s finally won all four of his slams whatever he does the rest of the year it doesn’t matter it’s not going to compare to what he did at the Masters it’s so like when was the last time Rory came even close to shooting eight dude this guy he’s spotting dimes eating onions exactly you know that’s kind of what I feel like with it where it’s like he’s starting out the year winning at Pebble winning at Sawrass winning at Augusta and then shooting a hundred what the It’s kind of a It’s like a testament to focus it is like where when you are focused and you are dialed in and you have a goal in mind when you’re like all right I’m winning all these events early in the year but the only one that really matters is the Masters and then you win that and all of clearly all of your focus went towards that and it’s spilling out of you on the 18th green with all the emotions and then you’re just like I’m going to go what he go to London and then he went back to Ireland he’s just sort of been floating a little bit and I don’t blame him no dude i you know yeah it would almost it’s the only the only thing that makes that confusing is like dude if he had won if the Masters that he won was the last major of the year I don’t think any of this discussion would be occurring at all cuz he would just be off into the sunset for the rest of the year i agree but what kind of almost hurts his like public image in this instance is he wins the Masters and then as we’ve talked about it’s just backto backto back huge events that he’s still got to play in where it’s like dude if you’re just celebrating for the rest of the year and you’re like you know that nobody would give a [ __ ] but it’s also he’s kind of like also got to show up and not got to show up like I’m sure he’s showing up in in his mind like thinking like okay I’m playing solid golf this year okay I can come out and win it’s not that he doesn’t care at all is going through practice rounds and stuff but part of that is like you just said focus level is like not it’s not nearly as ramped up and it tells you like the edge in golf is so fine that you’re seeing him just for him you know sort of struggle out there and it’s like if this again if he had won if it was reverse whatever the British Open was the final leg of the grand slam and he won that in July and then or yeah July and then the rest of the year we didn’t really see him again until like the RDER cup people be like yeah of course he’s out he’s on a bender he’s an IB he could be wherever the hell he wants to be it’s a really good point actually yeah he’s he’s sort of Yeah you like win the Super Bowl and then there’s a game on on Tuesday right there’s a game on Thursday you’re like but I I did it i can’t go to Disney World like I I want to go totally I want to spend six months in Disney World that is like you it almost should be more accepted we’re in We live in such a culture where it’s like what’s next all right now it’s the memorial oh there’s the milkshakes oh there’s Jack with the handshake oh there’s so many touch points that you have to hit where like I feel like back in the day if if you completed the career grand slam by winning the Masters in 1952 and didn’t play the rest of the year I don’t think people would care not at all now it’s like it’s like where’s Rory he’s not talking to the media why isn’t he talking to the media what’s he doing he’s shooting a 78 and you have to just talk everybody’s talking about everything all the time where you just get you get wrapped up in it and it’s a conversation every day he did he’s kind of a prisoner of having his career grand slam completed with the first major of the year right early in the year and it’s and you know he’s had he had an incredible year like it’s almost it almost is like dude he would be he would be safer and not that any of this matters it’s just noise it’s just we’re doing the same thing we’re speculating talking about it that’s pretty much our whole show we should have named it that but but you know it it would have been if he just won the masses and then on Monday released a statement of like I’m not playing again until the Ryder Cup or something and been like I’m everybody would have been like hell yeah you did the thing god that would have been awesome but he has obligations to the tours and that so I think the only way play the game and manipulate it would be hey I have an injury that I don’t really have i have a hand injury that’s going to pro prevent me from being out until the RDER Cup time period it does seem like he’s kind of just going through it he’s just doing it he’s like skipping media not going to the memorial he’s just sort of taking it on showed up to the Kate Open didn’t even play nine of the holes and it’s at a new venue so he had never even seen his first nine holes that he played on Thursday and it’s like yeah okay I kind of see i kind of get it i understand what you’re doing you know he uh a big part of the conversation when he did do his interview last week was again about the driver and the drivers failing and to kind of reexplain that quickly because I get if you’re in golf if you’re not really that tuned in whatever you don’t pay a ton of attention it seems like like these guys just cheating using illegal drivers essentially the way it works drivers are created to a way where they’re uh there’s a limit that you’re allowed to have on a certain characteristic of the driver basically a hot the ball comes off of the face how long it sticks to the face and you can’t of course create and build a driver or use a driver that goes over that limit so what do manufacturers do they build it as close to that limit as you could possibly get and then as you use drivers the natural characteristic of the ball interacting with the face over hundreds and hundreds of strikes is that that face changes and it changes to where it could creep over that limit and so they randomly test driver players drivers at events all throughout the year and it’s very common for drivers to fail that test because of like I just said the driver uh the characteristics of the face change over time and if they tend to change where they skew over the line so what happened was Rory’s driver whenever it was tested at the Masters or before the Masters uh was totally fine in that time over the next month it became over the edge when they tested at PGA failed same with Scotty’s failed and so that’s fine but everybody has their gamer just like everybody back home has their club that they really really like those guys have their gamer and when they take that gamer out of your hands because it’s not deemed usable anymore non-conforming that could be a nightmare for players even though the drivers are great technology is great all that like that’s your [ __ ] gamer that’s what happened to Rory that’s what happened to Scotty and Rory then essentially when he talked about this last week why he didn’t do media and all that at PGA he’s like “Yeah the driver thing was definitely a factor in that where like I didn’t want to throw other people under the bus which is fair.” He ended up kind of throwing Ter under the bus on Friday after his interview where he shot the 78 at the Kate Open because he was like “Yep just missing that piece of the driver which of course looks like uh a direct shot at Tailor May where in reality it’s more a function of you’re just trying to get your gamer right it’s every everybody knows there’s a difference between standing on the driving range hitting shot after shot after shot going to the course playing well and then I can’t even imagine not only just going to the course but going to the course in a major championship yeah where everything is as hard as it could possibly be standing over the ball pulling it back your ball speed’s 190 something and being a little bit unsure with the driver that you’re using yeah and like I can’t even imagine that and so that’s essentially where he’s at with the driver and where Scotty was at and kind of his whole answer with that so yeah you always feel bad for the equipment companies they can get buried sometimes and look when you’re a player at the highest level it’s like we’ve talked about a lot you almost got to be a little bit like deflecting you almost got to be a little bit delusional it’s not me right right you kind of have to be that way for your psyche for all of that and so that’s just kind of where he’s at with that and he kind of explained I didn’t want to do media you know they finished really late one day at the PGA so he just wanted to go home and see Poppy before she went to bed the next day he didn’t want to be you know angry out there and and start chirping about the driver he didn’t want to bring up that Scotty’s also failed so he was like trying to stay quiet about that whatever the point is he probably should have just retired for the year after yeah yeah no I I’m I I want to be clear i’m supportive of that if he wants to do that like that i think that would be very old school of just to like I’m done until the Ryder Cup like I just got a hand injury alone i got a minor hand injury you know you the injury thing is probably the way to go on what you have to do in 2025 but I do wish you would just put out a statement and say this is all just a lot and I really don’t need it and I’m I’m fulfilled because I won the Masters and I won the Grand Slam so I’m just going to take a break like we talked about that with like superstars like movie stars i mean like when Leonardo DiCaprio puts a movie out he probably does some media and then he disappears you don’t see him until the next movie and it’s like if you don’t you get none of that nowadays great point it’s all about the next tournament and the next sound bite and the next podcast and the next round and like but when when they put out movies it’s harder to do when you’re you know a golfer with the schedule that they have but you’re just like I’m gone until I want to be gone but even even to that point they do that almost twice for Leonardo DiCaprio because once they’re done filming there’s another four or five month process of them editing it all before the movie comes out so they I’m away you have to do retakes not me don’t double i’m gone my contract was for that boom and listen it’s got it’s a nice living to to be a professional golfer to be Rory Mroy to have all these sponsorships i’m just saying like it could it probably can be a lot being in the limelight like that and you just got to maybe want to step back every once in a while definitely a lot and it’s definitely relentless and look every human being is different you know like we had Ben Griffin in the interview later in the show talks about how like he plays everything he’s like “Ever since I kind of got my tour card like I play everything i play all the time that’s just how he rolls.” Yeah and then you’ve got other folks who really pick and choose and they just don’t love being out there all the time for whatever reason again every single person is different and you know and if you look at Tiger I mean Tiger was unbelievably selective of when he played and where he played and now too there’s this different obligation because of the existential crisis of Liv where like Rory Scotty all these guys now not only feel an obligation like they they actually have an obligation of x amount of events that you have to play you’re not allowed to miss certain number of elevated events if you do you get you know a fine or whatever like those things exist now and are in play and so again we’re not you can go look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars Rory has made how famous he is how great everything is he’s got his plane everything’s amazing but everybody’s also a person at the end of the day that has emotions they have obligations they have things they get tired of fed up with whatever it might be you got relationships in your life sometimes things are going great sometimes they’re not and so you know he’s someone that we’re going to break down because he’s maybe the most compelling player in the game since Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson and so it’s like everything he does is interesting we’re huge Rory fans on this show i love watching him play golf i still think the final round of the Masters was the most entertaining round of golf I’ll ever witness in my entire life live yeah i would agree with that i mean I rewatched the other night the the 2019 Masters with Tiger and don’t get me wrong that was as good as it gets i was trying to compare it and I was like I still think the Rory thing was crazier it was just crazy i even just going back to like the the nine iron through the trees and nobody knows where it’s going to land including Rory and it lands right next to the hole and go and scoots by like that that I mean that’s just the start of it right like it gets way crazier and then he missed that putt in that hole it gets way crazier as you go but I Yeah there’s just Yeah we don’t have to get all the way into it but it was Yeah that’s that round of golf is something else so he is just he’s so compelling that’s why we have to talk about him and again he could come out and basically miss the cut slash be like I should have I should have taken the year off or he could win this week he’s the second favorite yep in the field as he should be um you know so he might be refocus if if you do go look like and it’s completely different circumstances but Tiger Woods in 2006 uh that was shortly after his dad passed away missed the cut and shot a trillion at Wingfoot and then he won the next two major championships in ‘ 06 yeah uh winning the uh the uh OPA championship and the PGA and I believe in that time he also won Firestone so he won like three tournaments in a row shortly after that so you just never know there’s a fine line out there and uh it’ll be fascinating to see how Rory plays this week [Music] the Stanley Cup finals are here and the only place to buy hard to get finals tickets 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Hogan Jack Nicholas Johnny Miller Larry Nelson Ernie Ell’s Dustin Johnson have won US Opens and I believe one of those was a PJ championship at Oakmont so the names the pedigree here Jack Nicholas famously beat Arnold Palmer in a playoff here when Arie was the biggest hometown favorite you could possibly have that’s what Jack it was his first major championship that he won that was I think 1962 and if you go watch any documentaries about that what I mean as Jack was walking down the fairway people were yelling the meanest [ __ ] to him they’re calling him like this dumpy [ __ ] loser like chirping up because they wanted Arie to win so Pittsburgh fans turned into being Pittsburgh fans that day they said “Hey whether it’s football or golf that’s our guy PA guy let’s go.” Pittsburgh’s one of those towns for sure cold weather towns you know you get people they get feisty oh yeah that’s exactly right this is uh this is that kind of spot so uh I’m very excited for Oakmont you know we were having this discussion a little bit off camera earlier but it’ll be interesting to see where the USGA goes this week because you know there are there are some venues where they really got to like grind trick it out a little bit and it’s up to them this is one where they could kind of go either direction because Oakmont is so naturally difficult already on a week- toeek basis it is as difficult as it gets i believe Jack one of Jack Nicholas’s quotes from like 1960s or ‘7s maybe Arie maybe Jack one of them said it where it was like Oakmont’s the only course in the country that they could simply host the US Open on demand with no leadup time no prep and I think that you know there’s probably a few others nowadays because the way they keep them in normal condition but this place on any given day is as hard a golf course as you’ll ever play now they’ve got this we’re looking at the 5-in rough everybody’s doing the golf ball dropping thing we’re looking at the 5- in rough we’re looking at the greens are going to be lightning fast uh the fairways are tilted and and narrow and really hard to hit already and now if they can make them firm which again there’s been some rain over the weekend there’s some rain in the forecast but not as bad as it was looking you know is the USGA going to try to go out for blood or are they a little bit nervous of negative commentary the same we’ve been having this conversation for eight years of you know they’ve lost the golf course zack Johnson Shinnak I believe Bryson called it clown golf that year at Shinnik bill Mickelson hit a moving ball that year when he put it off the green so there have been plenty of times where they’ve driven people absolutely crazy um you know I think they’re coming off a couple weeks ago the US Women’s Open at Aaron Hills where things got pretty much to the edge on the weekend but I think overall reviews were that it was it was great um but I don’t know what exactly are we Is are the rumors that it’s going to be an overpar winner is that how people feel i think that’s the heavy favorite that’s going to be par well I looked so this is we’re going to get into our DraftKings Snake draft here a little bit um we could do that very soon kind of an ad read so I don’t know if we should just do it right now or do it when we do let’s do it later let’s do it later um let’s prepare one of the one of the uh wagers on there in the prop bets is will the winning score be over under 278 and a half which is one and a half under par you do you have the odds it’s like minus 110 it’s pretty So it’s pretty Yeah so the betting has it at minus oneus one and a half is kind of the line so we’ll see i mean I think that will change if the rain I think the rain is kind of leading to that um but a lot of the players coming in and a lot of the reports you know are it’s also what’s interesting when you when you talk about winning score that is so far off from how the course is actually playing that is one player true finishing better than everyone else where it’s like dude you’re talking about 155 other players basically if that’s the line and they hit that line 155 other players are shooting over par right 99.9% of the field is probably going to be overpar is what that is what the line tells you i think this is the week that USGA finally realizes that this has gone too far into the hardness of golf course we played it a month ago right us Open Media Day that video is coming out this week as well by the way and Oh yeah nobody played well in terms of like how how the ball hit the the rough was 4 inches thick at that point in time yeah they grew it up now and now it’s an inch thicker the Greens are only faster you’re gonna have two pros out there this week right that are gonna look wonky they’re gonna look weird well that was the thing too when it because it rained the night before that we played it as well and obviously that softens the greens whatever dude hitting out of wet thick rough is impossible i think I talked about on the podcast maybe I didn’t I don’t remember i remember like us hitting out of it me you Francis all of us and I you would look back and after the impact it would look like you would like hurt your everything in your body absolutely so I Yeah i don’t know i I don’t know what’s going to happen whoever wins this week is going to hit the most fairways because if you’re hitting in the rough put a bogey put a double bogey on the card move to the next hole I legit couldn’t hit out of the rough like there were many many times and people will see in the video that’s coming out where I failed to hit it out of the rough like it just didn’t go anywhere and it wasn’t as thick as it’s going to be it had rained but it sounds like it’s going to rain a little bit this week so I think they’re going to get a little bit of rain hopefully they don’t get too much you know they do have a lot of the technology they’re able to get it as firm as they can even with some rain yeah um you know at least as firm as you could these days but if you get a ton of rain there’s just not much you could do for so for a little contextual history of the last couple decades uh when the Open was last here in 2016 they got a ton of rain Wednesday night uh and Dustin Johnson won at four underpar uh in 2007 and this is by far the highest winning score in the last two decades um or since this time I guess I would say 2007 Anel Cabrera ripping darts in that yellow shirt he was five overpar won the event and the year before that Jeff Oggov when Phil Mickelson collapsed I’m such an idiot he called himself afterwards uh Jeff Oggov was also five under par or five overpar at wingfoot in 2006 since then we have not had a winning score higher than one overpar Justin Rose in 2013 and Brooks Keepka in 2018 which was at Shinik if you look at the last handful or last six or so bryson in 2020 six under john Ram six under mattie Fitz six under windham Clark 10 under bryson Dshambo six under i think the USGA is out for blood this year this is the biggest blood moment ever i think it could be this this thing could end higher than plus five i kind of want that i I I You want your champion to be sitting there at plus seven yes shut the US Open at plus more than anything i think I do i think I Why not i know i as long as it doesn’t I mean I guess it’s hard to like if you’re at a score if if the winner is at that score you know you then you start to get into lost the golf course clown golf territory but I don’t like is that even possible you have guys shooting 7878 and making the cut oh yeah shooting 7980 and making the cut yep that would be awesome you don’t want that beef i mean it’s nice to see from time to time but I think we’ve gotten to a point where it’s we we’ve gotten way too far what do you mean we’ve gotten to i just read the winning They’re all under par don’t you think we’ve gotten You just said plus five on El Cabera that was that was that was an out 20 years ago don’t you think well in terms of the DraftKings thing I am hammering the above bar you have to I I also think like you know every this is a major and it’s Oakman it’s US Open so it’s different but out there on tour you’re seeing a lot of like double digit underpar like every once It would can’t hurt to every once in a while throw them the other way agree i don’t think it’s I don’t think it’s going to be great for the viewing portion of golf but do I want to see a Tour Pro that’s 200 yards out and 5 in rough come up 40 yards short yes kind of but it only it only validates in terms of like Yeah joe Public who’s watching on the television go I did the exact same thing but you only need one or two of those shots throughout the entire tournament be like I get it not watch a full day of it i think in a world Yeah i think in a world of clips and virality I think a US Open where the best golfers in the world are hacking it 40 yards in front of them like I think that’s a good world to be living in like I think that’s what people want i think it’s just the the the one you just need one clip and that’s it i mean let’s I don’t know how much coverage of the US Women’s Open you guys watch but they were literally pitching it up on the green where if you not land the ball and get it to stop within this table you were in a collectionary 40 yards away i thought that was awesome and it was like no come on awesome these people are out here struggling it’s just coming back to him 40 yards come back to him but here’s the good thing is that everybody plays the same golf course i I’m not saying they’re not playing golf it’s not like it’s bad for one guy it’s good for another it’s just everybody is in the [ __ ] trenches they’re in the trenches i get it i think I think to trans point too I think that if it was like this every week you would lose viewers but I think that you see so much of the same thing where it’s like they bomb it way down there there’s really not that much penalty you’re in the rough a little bit you’re in a fairway bunker it doesn’t really affect them they can still get spin on the ball they can still get clean contact on the ball they can still hit it up on the green worst case they have a harder look for birdie than they wanted they don’t make a lot of bogeies they make a ton of birdies and somebody shoots 15 20 25 under a lot and wins whereas if you get one week where it’s like you’re watching these guys play and there is such a fine line that it’s like somebody who’s a little bit off can’t grind out like a two or three under they’re shooting like 82 cuz they’re like a little off and you’re like yes that is what I need to see the other thing too is tough conditions like that bring out the real personality in these guys it’s like yeah wait till Bryson misses the fairway by a foot and a half can’t can barely find his ball and then chunks one out and it only goes 50 yards you’re not going to get YouTube golf Bryson you’re going to get the real guy who’s like I can’t believe this is like unplayable right now and like that is what you want baby but look at the Masters right we had what was it nick Taylor what about him shot 89 oh uh Nick Dunlap nick Dunlap sorry 90 he shot 90 right second day he backed up everybody loved it but who’s following Nick Dunlap on day one when he shoots 90 but that n that 89 was like the one of the biggest stories of the week i’m I’m not saying it’s not i’m just It’s so big though because it never happens right now you’re going to have an entire field of doing it though that’s not a good thing oh I think one week dude like like we’re both saying it’s you know every week would be like “All right let’s make this a little bit easier.” If if if we could have the the winning score be somewhere between minus4 and minus 7 you wouldn’t hear me say a thing the fact that we’re going to have the winning score which I think is the winning score to be plus three or plus four or more is crazy it’s mindboggling but I think it gets I think the the main part where I because that’s all personal preference fine but the main part where I would disagree is I think it gets more people to perk up text their group their group text turn on their TV if they see are you seeing that like the leader shot 74 at the US Open today and is like and you know Justin Thomas shot like 81 on Thursday but he’s like in the top five right now i think totally people start being like what the [ __ ] is going on with the US Open i got to turn this thing on and I think that’s good and I think that at some point the USGA is you know we talk about we talked about this during the PGA Championship of like it does struggle more than the other majors to have a true identity masters obviously has its own identity uh the Open Championship has its own identity it’s the only links golf they play all year the USGA and the US Open’s identity is it’s the toughest test it’s the quote of we’re not trying to embarrass the best players we’re trying to identify them and so when you do turn on the US Open you kind of expect like all right I want to see some crazy carnage is kind of the term that we’ve used over and over again and I think that they do got to kind of lean into that and there is an element of like and I love this because Ben Griffin did talk about this quite a bit in the interview he’s like there’s a little bit of like luck involved and like you could both hit really good T- shots one’s a yard off from the other which usually still means you’re down that giant fairway whereas in this one it might mean one guy literally doesn’t have a shot and has to chip out the other guy can hit a seven iron into the middle of the green and he’s like but at the end of the day it’s like the USGA like fine if you don’t like it you don’t think this is like don’t show up but who’s not showing up to USO you’re coming to the USO the the thing on tour used to always be right like you don’t see guys ever hit throughs off the tea because there’s such an advantage hitting a driver and if you’re off the fairway on most golf courses you’ll take the 30 yards and be in the rough compared to your percentage of hitting the fairway with the through Yep i think this week you’re going to see a ton of guys putting the emphasis on hitting fairways they’d rather give up the 30 yards isn’t that interesting then no i don’t want to go watch everywhere no do I want to go out and watch somebody hit a three iron all over Oklahoma you want to watch like like Bryson basically did that at Wingfoot he he hit it as far as he he hit it way further than everybody else and he was hacking out with an eight iron instead of a sixiron and it’s like no you need we want a game where it’s like you got to be precise and if you’re not precise you get penalized and we want a game where it’s really making people think i think that’s what separates golf from a lot of other sports is that it’s not reactionary you’re out there and you’re like trying to strategize and think your way through this it’s a course right just like in in you know whatever American Ninja Warrior it’s like a course it’s an obstacle course that you’re trying to get through it’s a golf course like you’re trying to figure out your way to get through this golf course and if it’s just if the answer is just pull driver hit it as far as you can and then hit the shortest iron you can into a green because you won’t be penalized that much by missing a little sliver of fairway then that in my takes away a lot of this thinking your way through the course and if players are standing up there on a tea going like “God uh uh Joe Labava I think I need to hit a [ __ ] three iron here.” So we’re just in the short grass that to me is like “Oh man he’s hitting the chicken stick.” Like he is there’s something going on up there i like that i I I surely hope I’m wrong and I’ve been wrong on multiple things you know with golf related but all of us i hope that when when the podcast happens on Sunday night afterwards the recap it’s not like okay it’s plus seven was the final and this was such a interesting event to watch i just know if if plus seven wins the US Open there’s going to be so many good quotes to talk about from every player in the field who’s just like I hate this i hate this there be slow-mo footage of guys hitting wedge shots that go one yard on a full swing shot because they can’t get underneath the golf oh let me take Let alone them being in the ditches out here right we played it a month ago yeah they not only have 5 in rough if you’re off the fairway a little bit more than that they got all those little trenches in there oh yeah which are all just like pitch back out to the fairway please pitch back out to the fairway yep i wonder what like I don’t even know if this would be if there’d be betting odds on this but like what’s the highest score of the week god you’re going to have guys sitting around a table just talk about betting sitting on the table going I bet this guy doesn’t get out of the rough from here and it’s 160 yard shot i bet you he doesn’t hit the green i bet he doesn’t advance at 100 yards me too like is somebody gonna shoot a 95 yes that could be that could be a bet this week what’s going to be who’s going to card the highest number yes I think so and as we talk about this I don’t feel bad because I know it’s a huge opportunity and so exciting our guy Alistar’s going out there and it’s like “Oh my god I’m playing in the Oakmont US Open holy [ __ ] man.” You know it is i just got a text from him i was like “How is it out there how are we feeling?” He goes “I’m through one hole my hand is cramping from the amount of signatures.” There you go popular guy it’s crazy he’s playing i know i wasn’t on the show when you guys after it happened after you qualified it’s so [ __ ] cool that he’s playing in this thing fact that there’s going to be B cross Tes all over there inside the ropes hitting shots at the US Open is super cool it is so unbelievably cool uh no and yeah seeing some of the footage now he his uh one of his guys sent a couple pictures of like his golf bag is right there next to USGA says Dockerty on it and then there’s the bar stool golf head covers in his golf bag dmc design golf bag al’s wearing the B cross TE’s wearing the bar stool golf stuff we scripted them for the week it’s like pretty surreal to see this is the biggest event in golf this is as big as it gets it’s on you know it’s Masters US Open Ryder Cup Open Championship PGA these are the events and he’s in it it’s insane crazy i It’s like surreal and I can’t even imagine what it feels like for him i really can’t yeah he got uh so he missed the cut this last weekend on Cornfair shot like five or 600 first round then shot like one over the extra round missed the cup by one so he’s like I’m going to go to Oakmont early and he got out there yesterday for the first time which was Sunday and he played the first hole and the ninth hole because there were storms coming in so then he just had to he had to bounce he played two holes wow but he’s out there today he’s all fired up he’s playing the front nine and then we got our event today like I said so we’re not going to be able to get out there but tomorrow I’m not leaving until the afternoon so I’m going to go walk he’s playing the back nine tomorrow i’m going to walk the whole back nine with him tomorrow awesome cannot wait so cool cannot wait to get So so cool but long story short I’m excited me too you guys are all ready for just a blood bath yes i’m ready for whatever give them plus six give them plus six of the championship i’m ready yeah i’m ready for whatever Oakman is ready to give the players i do want to see when they show when they cut that leaderboard when they cut to the leaderboard and you just see a bunch of plus signs on the left side of the screen i think that is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen i think that’s just as iconic as it gets couple other things real quick and then we are ready to roll you guys see any of this French Open final no I was traveling came all the way back up oh my god this was nuts i didn’t see any of it in real time i just kind of saw the social clips and then caught up with it later but 5 hour and 32 minute French Open final which is insane um Alcarez is uh I watch his whole Netflix thing he’s got a Netflix documentary which is really good and him and Center are sort of like the new two guys okay center I believe is number one in the world um Al is number two and dude he was I didn’t realize this until again later I saw all the stuff he had won i was like “Oh that’s cool he had won he defended his title.” Dude he was down two he lost the first two sets and then in the third set he was serving and he was down five he was down 53 and he was down 40 love in the game in the game wow so three championship points he won all three of them won that game to get it to 54 and then won that set and then won the next two sets to win so I mean dude well even at that point in time he’s at 54 right and then center starts to serve he’s got to break set him again to get to 5’5 then he wins that was third set and then he started to roll how do you But Alcarez even after so like I would say in terms of tennis it was Novak was the the the guy before him right in between that you know you have Roger Federer and then go back back back even now tennis is at a similar point I’d say with golf where there’s five to six guys on the men’s side that could really win every single event and Alcres has pretty much been like this guy Shuffler still winning most of these majors meadev’s been in there a little bit too he’s got I saw got five majors at a younger age than Tiger Woods did i did see that as well and how old what is he like 21 two or three or something maybe he’s like the tennis the tennis area is in a good spot for their tour i would say golf is in a good area for their tour right you have healthy young guys that are all established that are household names that are fighting it every single week right are the Saudis starting to get involved with tennis did I see that like a year ago or is that not happen sure they are i I I don’t know i’m not I don’t follow it close enough i might have to you know phone a friend call Lurch in here yeah i think if I think if it’s sports I think they’re in it yeah no I mean I don’t I don’t follow Western culture they’re getting into right yeah there’s a billion dollar a trillion dollars invested i don’t follow tennis i I’m aware of Alcarez and I saw that starting to blow up on social yesterday and I knew it had to be a hu like how do you even if you’re a sinner now how do you even come back from it dude like what are your They’ve had some battles i saw some incredible clips dude tennis is so emotional too of him standing there because they always have the second place person is out there for the for the ceremony and stuff they give you like a silver plate or something i know yeah yeah and like just the look on his face up there because just tears in his eyes up there and I just was like “Oh dude.” You ever you ever played tennis i No not in any real way i definitely never I’ve never played anything close to competitive tennis but there’s been stretches over some summers and stuff when we were in high school college age where we would go up to the tennis courts and you some buddies play like some one-on-one we do like we’d have four guys be like “Let’s do a knockout and see who wins out of all of us play singles matches.” The amount of yourself that you give to a a singles tennis match oh even is insane you’re running all over the place you’re running everywhere you’re trying to save points you’re like calling in out it’s like this emotional battle five and a half hours they go up there this guy’s got the biggest lead you could have it’s like bigger than 28 to three this guy’s lead right and he loses to his rival who like the two of them come up you know whatever and he’s just standing up there you can just see it on his face and I just felt so bad for him break that plate just throw it right on the ground smash oh man i don’t know what it’s made out of but I would try to break it but yeah it was pretty badass that’d be like somebody coming down to Oakmont and they Eagle 15 they eagle 16 the Eagle 17 and the Eagle 18 to win first place well let me tell you something brother that ain’t happening this week i’m that this week I’m right yeah yeah if that happens this week the winning score will still be plus two so it’s fine doesn’t matter yeah that would be great i would accept that eagle Eagle Eagle finish uh Oakmont’s going to be awesome we’re going to throw it to Ben Griffin who Ben Griffin again I kind of reached up top playing some of the best golf that there is out there he’s got great insight into Oakmont what to expect this week uh and then we’re going to have you know I’m going to have a full day out there Tuesday to talk about uh on Thursday’s show and then it’ll be go time hopefully i’m rooting for Carnage beef’s rooting for 20 under par to win the event i didn’t say 20 on par i told you the sweet spot minus4 to like minus 7 sweet spot so we’ll see which one we get but we’ll be back on uh we’ll have press conferences to talk about some quotes and whatnot hopefully and so Thursday’s show will be another big one and then uh we’ll have our Sunday night probably come out Monday morning recap instant reactions from uh from Oakmont so that’s what’s coming up on the docket again we’ve got a full Oakmont video coming out this week trent breaking 85 the Midwestern version with uh with his family with his dad with beef out there so check all that stuff out and uh enjoy Ben Griffin [Music] the stakes are high and the greens are blazing fast major championship golf has arrived in Pennsylvania we’ve got a snake draft we’re about to do a snake draft of myself Trent and Beef we are going to pick a winner we are going to pick a top 20 finisher and we are going to pick a prop bet off of the DraftKings sports book uh all customers for the record can join the excitement this week with King of the Course promotion from DraftKings just place $5 bet on which golfer will rack up the most birdies or better in rounds three and four if your pick reigns supreme you’ll score a share of the $1 million in bonus bets offering that’s nice get involved with that really nice draftkings Sportsbook is ready to crown the king of the course uh will it be your pick download the DraftKings Sportsbook app use the code 4F that’s code 4 FE for your shot at a share of $1 million in bonus bets snake draft time who’s going first let’s have Beef go first beef go first you want me to go first yep all righty and we’re going to do snake draft so it’s Come this way trent Ryan me you get two me again trent beef let’s do it all right so I get I get a winner you can do whatever you want well I’m usually somebody that likes to go a little bit longer odds here so uh I’ll go with the winner this week is going to be Daniel Burgerer wow daniel Burger what are the odds he’s at uh plus 10,000 you pick at the PGA like Michael Block or something to win no I did not pick Michael Block to win i picked uh who’ I pick who did I pick i think I picked Land that’s right that’s right i love that all right so Daniel Ber is your Daniel Burger all right um I’ll go next here so I’m going to take this one i All right so PJ Championship i said two or more holes in one i said it on the show and then I didn’t bet it and it happened i’m not letting that happen again i’m taking it for Oakmont US Open two or more holes in one it’s plus 650 i I’m aware of the reality that’s probably not going to happen at Oakmont seems unlikely one of these par threes is like 300 yards that’s right like it’s it’s going to But I couldn’t let another tournament major pass where I didn’t take it and then if it h like imagine it happens again i’m jumping on because but I don’t feel good about it because you missed your opportunity two or more holes in one that’s my favorite prop of the week i like it i like it he has gone early with the prop because it’s snake draft you don’t want your best value pick to get taken i want it so that’s nice i’m going to go uh with my first pick i don’t want this to get taken off the board so I’m going top 20 finish ben Griffin plus 175 okay let’s put on a heater plus 175 he’s been playing great golf he’s on the show on the show a little bit of emotional play there perhaps uh and then I’m also going to go Oh man for my winner my winner pick I’m going a man who’s never won in the United States of America has pretty good US Open finishes before plus 3500 tommy Fleetwood the Lad the Lad nice y God I would love to see him win oh man I really would love to see him win my other choice is going to be Alistister Dockerty but I’m going I’m going Tommy Fleetwood um okay i’ve got for my winner we talk a lot about him on the show and I’ve decided that he’s just going to do the thing where he is going to focus and he’s going to play well my winner is Rory Mroy i’m just doing it i don’t care after all the chatter on this show too we tal we’ve been talking on the show that he’s going to retire i don’t care plus 240 Rory Mroy i know that’s not great value but hey it’s a major he’s there well I do think there’s been a lot of chatter about him and a lot of it has been negative and we know when that happens Rory’s like “Fuck it i’m going to prove it i’m still that guy.” Watch out don’t fire that man up rory Maroy plus 240 to win the US Open all righty i’m going to go with now the top 25 top 20 top 20 sorry top 20s uh I got Shane Lowry he’s got top 20 at this week all right what’s that odds you know what he’s plus 130 guys okay i don’t know if you guys have found on your apps he’s plus 130 over so you got Shane Lowry top 20 plus 130 yeah yeah okay and then my tournament prop because it’s a right snake draft i’m going um tournament prop all right all right all right i’m going um Tyrell had to miss the cut okay this week oh wow tyrell had to miss the cut this week there you go all right then I think he’s going to have a a classic meltdown here the rough seven inches long i think he’s going to see a great meltdown i think a lot of guys are going to have meltdowns but I think he’s certainly got the shortest fuse y um All right right so then I’ve got just top 20 left i am also going with uh Tommy Fleetwood just for the top 20 though you got him as the winner i’ve got him top 20 plus uh plus 120 Tommy Fleetwood so I think he’s going to have a good high on the mate i Yeah I think he’s going to have a good week i love it i absolutely love it i’ll I’ll round things out going back to the Well the winner to par the 72nd hole no is plus 110 winner to par the 72nd hole no which you also won at Quail Hollow right Scotty mr sky Shuffler Bogey did it that was a huge victory for me for that bet can he birdie the hole yeah it just says Okay okay it just says winner to par 72nd hole no so any score other than a par i like that three two a five six seven eight nine anything i mean he’s probably going to they’re probably going to bogey the hole would be my guess yeah I think that’s the most I mean I think most likely score is par but anything else that’s why I’m plus money but I I like the I either like there’s a couple scenarios that I really like is it would be absolutely electric if the winner has to birdie this 72nd hole to get into a playoff or win yep uh and then the other one is a very similar situation to PGA where they have a little bit of a cushion and the 18th hole historically plays as one of if not the hardest hole in the golf course and they kind of just chop it up there on purpose to make like a bogey to win the tournament allah Tiger in 2019 yep allah Scotty uh at the PGA and so there’s a couple scenarios that I really like i’m hope I’m rooting for the the former where there’s like a birdie on the 72nd hold that’s massive but you’re also in a good spot where it’s Scotty is probably going to be the guy and he’s a guy who just like whatever score I got to make I’ll make it like he always makes a mess to the last goal when he has a huge lead if he’s got a four shot lead he might be taking off with a six iron just to in the middle of fairway 100% so I think you’re in a good spot yeah be great to watch your favorite stretch sixiron sixiron sixironir that was uh I believe that’s what Lucas Glover did at Beth Page in 2009 i think he hit six iron on this 18th hole genius roy Mroy went a whole round with seven iron right roy Makavoy 10 oh right i thought he tink his favorite club uh quickly quickly um Tommy Fleetwood started a YouTube channel did he i don’t know if you saw that that yesterday he dropped his first video that’s unbelievable yeah how I prepare for a major or something like that is that what he 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excited really excited to have you on last time we kind of met with you chatted with you your whole world your kind of career has changed dramatically since then it was the WM Phoenix Open since then you’ve got a couple wins you got a team win you got an individual win you just finished second at one of the biggest events on tour what’s it you know what’s it feeling like to be Ben Griffin right now uh yeah I’d say it feels pretty good um been on quite the run since we were all together at Waste Management that’s for sure but um no just uh yeah a lot of lot of hard work uh I’ve been training hard this year um doing doing the right things off the course and then um yeah physically my game feels really nice so um it’s nice to build confidence and and get in contention a bunch and fortunately I’ve gotten it done a couple times what What have you been doing differently are you training differently do you have a different approach this year in the offseason did you take a different hey let’s regroup let’s refocus let’s do something different this year that’s kind of changed yeah um definitely so I started um started out the season and I kind of was battling quad tenonitis in my left knee um super weird but pretty much whenever I get like an awkward lie or have to put weight on my left side or do anything that’s relates to like kind of a squat-like movement where I put pressure on my knee I’ i’d kind of get some uh pain that would flare up and so on the road like I always had my trainer back at home u we always work together and always work work pretty hard um you know doing the right things from a mobility standpoint maintaining strength basically focused more on the longevity of the game rather than like being like a dashambo bomber um per se and so at Pebble I had some awkward lies down the stretch finishing final round and I was like I need to see a PT out here because I played the first 13 weeks in a row i mean I’m just going from tournament to tournament i’m not even going home and um I hired a guy Derek Smith he works with um Ricky Fowler and pretty much was just exclusively with Ricky the last couple years he’d have a couple couple guys pop in from time to time and so he had told Ricky at the start of the year like “Hey just FYI I kind of want to maybe look at bouncing around with a couple other guys maybe have an another guy or two that that would be full-time.” And so um but at Waste Management actually I I started with him um basically when we were all together and um was just doing PT work um we kind of got in the gym a little bit but it was more just for like all right how do I fix this problem that I have um so we spent a few weeks trying to put on a little muscle around the knee really doing a lot of PT work um especially after rounds making sure I feel good and then over time I I kind of wanted to build up a little bit more especially having him on the road i was like well I need to take advantage of this let’s let’s maybe train a little bit harder it was my first kind of time spending spinning pretty much going in consistently daily um to the tour trucks and trailers and seeing what other guys were doing um before I would just kind of do my stuff at the hotel hotel gyms and kind of go in i just like look at all this stuff people are doing i didn’t realize was going on out here yeah i mean it’s not like the trailers are that like fancy or anything i mean it basically just has enough for for us to get by but you know I I was looking at who was doing in the gym was talking to other guys about you know Charlie Hoffman specifically he’s like “Dude like if you look at what guys are in the gym these are the guys that are that have had the longest careers on tour and the ones that are most consistent are the ones having the most success.” And so that was kind of like an aha moment like maybe I should be training a little bit harder um and then as I started training a little bit harder started gaining strength start feeling better um go to the range and I’m like man I feel good like my body just feels like it’s ready to ready to work whereas before I’d feel fine but I wouldn’t feel like jacked up going to the range like I’m going to try to you know swing a little bit harder and I just feel like super stable um I like using the word stable because like I guess when you build a a very strong base it’s just like you go to the range you just feel athletic um feel stable swing i felt like I had more control and so I kind of just kept building from there um working out harder turning warm-ups before rounds into kind of workouts and so me and Derek we’re working out every single day now um doing PT when I need to on the road trying not to rely on that as much anymore but really just gaining strength so every single day especially during an off week like this week um we’re getting in there for an hour and and working out and then before rounds I’m I’m working out for about 35 minutes or so um regardless of my tea time I pretty much go in two hours before and then um kind of reset a little bit and then get ready for the warm-up for the actual round on the range so yeah this this year’s been um I’ve been very disciplined in my workouts and um strengthening um strengthening the body a little bit and yeah I mean if you look at my ball speed numbers at waist management I was probably swinging at 173 miles or ball speed was probably about 173 74 and now I’m consistently um low 80s and can get to 85 or 86 if I need to especially if it’s I mean it depends on the weather and different conditions but if it’s 80° out sunny especially down here in Florida um you know if it’s 85 degrees out I can get it to 186 187 if I need to wow that’s a huge difference you know I mean for all the for the audience out there I know it might sound okay 173 but it’s not like you’re high 178 179 now you’re 181 182 i mean if you’re picking up 10 12 13 mph ball speed that is a huge difference out there yeah my averages since then have gone up probably seven or eight but my max has gone up probably 10 or 11 before it was just hard like I was just like I mean people have seen my swing i kind of get off the ground a little bit with my feet i I swing pretty hard but um yeah now I feel like I I can do it with a little less effort i can swing a little bit harder and just use my bigger muscles so it’s been a it’s been a game changer it’s actually really exciting it’s been a fun like little project like I kind of call it a side project even though it directly correlates to my golf game but it’s kind of something fun I I look forward to every single day it’s getting a little bit stronger and um it’s been uh it’s been really fun and uh I got to I got to credit Derek a lot but um I also have to credit I mean my my previous strength coach Randy Myers i mean he was a part of this whole story with me getting back to golf and and everything like that and he’s been a huge asset for me back when I was in C Island and and training at home i mean we were putting in work every single day me him and Andrew Novak still works with him um in Sea Island so it’s been a a fun team effort kind of all together and um but yeah I mean this this speed stuff has been kind of a little bit darker but more more really from for me like just because I have a trainer that’s that’s push like you know that’s helping me it takes a lot individually to go in there and actually want to do it and especially before tournament rounds a lot of guys are very hesitant so like when I’m in the trailers before rounds I’m pretty much the only guy doing bench press doing like rows and stuff a lot of guys are doing more like movements um and yeah like maybe jumping and different things like that um whereas I’m kind of I like to throw around weights now before rounds maybe me and Jake Knap and a few others napper what a great guy he is but I remember when we first couple the old nap time couple years ago when we hosted uh we did the broadcast for the corner tour event knap was kind of one of the guys we were featuring on and he’s got the tattoos and he’s absolutely jacked and so to hear that he’s one of the guys in there throwing some weight around three round not the most surprising thing I’ve ever heard no definitely not i remember and even this was back like end of March kind of i was starting to go in before rounds and after rounds i I went in a couple times for like a bonus workout and I’d see I’d see him in there from time to time i mean that guy lives in the gym he loves it oh dude he absolutely loves it it’s interesting to hear you talk about sort of side project and I feel like you know at your guys level probably very important to find whether it’s you know you call it a side project or little games to play or something to keep it interesting because I imagine it can just get crazy monotonous working on you know golf golf swing mechanics being out there going through a lot of the same routine like some point you got to stimulate yourself a little bit with something totally yeah and I I don’t know i a lot of guys have families so they’re pretty involved with that me um you know I’m engaged to my fiance Dana and we kind of she’s still working right now we’re working on figuring out what longterm that looks like for me and her but um yeah I mean there’s there’s less on my plate than a lot of guys so it’s fun to do that as a side project i also have different business stuff I’m working on i’m fully in on this property management company that I’m doing with a couple friends so I’ve been working on that pretty much honestly i think about that almost every day too so there’s a lot of stuff I’m a lot of stuff I’m doing i mean I know you’re the Lord Abbott guy and whatnot but what do you got what’s what’s this little project because I you know I own a little bit of property you know in North Carolina so I’m I’m interested let’s talk about this yeah so basically we decided me and uh two partners that I’m I’m more of like they consider me like the brand ambassador in a way but I’m still sitting in on calls and and different things like that and we’ll have meetings every week but uh yeah basically I’ve been in involved in investing in short-term rentals um basically since I got back to playing golf and started actually generating income and not having negative $17,000 to my name so a lot better this way yeah yeah i invest in first of all I invest in a lot of Lord Abbott products they they’re an asset manager they have different funds some of the best funds out there but um I’m also involved in some real estate but um yeah this year in particular I haven’t invested um directly into real estate i’ve been investing in this property management company and what we’re doing is helping short-term um property owners of short-term rentals um use pricing uh dynamic pricing strategies um to help regardless of where you are in the United States help you kind of maximize occupancy and on top of that we’re involved in the marketing and and so forth so if you’re listing your short-term rental on Airbnb or um VBO or whatever Booking.com we’re going to help you in terms of photos and figure out what amenities might be best for your short-term rental to succeed um and figure out hey maybe we should buy maybe you guys should look at buying a hot tub this is what this XYZ property are doing they’re generating this amount of revenue so we have a ton of data that we’re we’re looking at and um but really the the dynamic pricing strategy is kind of what separates us from a lot of other companies but we’re not involved in the day-to-day operations in terms of cleanings and um different like maintenance issues um but we’re involved more in the marketing side so we charge a little percentage on that and uh it’s been good we’re probably at 50 50 properties right now and our goal is to get to 200 by the end of the year damn look at this this see you got this guy your wheels are always turning your brain’s always spinning i can tell that which which is great so I wanna I want to pivot a little bit uh I believe you went over and played Oakmont this week is that right yeah I played Oakmont on Monday what a task so this show will come out Tuesday actually of US Open week so we’re recording this on Thursday it’s a couple days before US Open Week but uh people are people are going to be hyped it’s it’s now you know Tuesday of next week people have watched live from a Monday night they’ve seen a bunch of the footage they’re hearing little leaked reports of Rory and what he said and Adam Scott what he said you were there you’re one of the best players in the world right now you’re 15th in the world golf rankings you’re one of the hottest players in the world you just come back from Oakmont what are people going to see next week at the US Open a lot depends on mother nature I think if you look back at the last two US opens that were there um going back to I think it was 2006 or 2007 I can’t remember which year on hell one but I believe he finished at four or five or six over par so it was really firm that year it was playing very difficult this past time When uh Dustin Johnson won it was much softer uh course played a little bit easier now when we played it on Monday it was it wasn’t by any means firm but it was not soft and I don’t know of any pro that shot under par that day um at least to my knowledge it seemed like a lot of guys struggled i made a few birdies but I had my fair share of of bogeies and stuff granted we’re coming off a tournament week most of us there were and it’s just like a Monday and we’re just trying to have fun with our our groups we’re playing with and see the course but um yeah it’s going to be really challenging a lot of the fairways out there have a tremendous amount of slope and also are blind so like you can’t ne you can’t really see where the fairway line even is from the T- box you’re kind of guessing you’re looking at trees um most guys are gonna have yardage books that kind of have what what are called tpicks where the the guy Mark Long who designs the books he takes a picture and shows like all right what’s your through line what’s it uh to the fairway in line with like all the different trees in the background so you can get an idea but it’s still really difficult i mean it’s much easier to hit a fairway if you can see the fairway like anytime you have a blind shot it’s not it’s not fun i always wonder that cuz like for us for the weekend golfer that’s unbelievably true like we’re so uncomfortable it’s interesting to hear even at your guys level if like you know that’s kind of the line your caddy’s telling you that’s the line you’re looking at the book that’s got the tree line you’re still it’s still harder to hit that fairway no matter who you are without a doubt and then so I mentioned that but also just like the slope in the fairways like you can land some there’s a few fairways out there that you land a ball what you think is in the middle of the fairway and you get up there and it’s in the rough or it’s close to like some of the they have these little trenches that kind of weave through the the property and you can easily end up in one of those like you two yards off the fairway and be in this like little trench where you’re just hoping to get it out of it and so I think the rough will continue to stay long now as the week goes on obviously it gets trampled down between fans and players and just a lot of people that walk on it so you see it kind of every week on tour as the week goes on the rough gets a touch easier but the rest of the course tends to get firmer unless there’s some sort of rain that comes in so um the firmness if the if the fairways are firm it’s going to be so hard to hit even half of the fairways I would say and like if you’re doing a really good job if you’re hitting half the fairways and when you miss the fairway it’s really hard to advance it to get it onto most of the par4s unless it’s some of some of the shorter par4s and you can hopefully hit it on the green now what they did with greens is there’s a ton of contours they made them bigger but there’s a lot of contours um there’s apparently more locations for pens there’s a few holes out there where I’m like I feel like there can only be one pin location like hole number 10 for instance it’s a severely sloped front to back green and the pin was in the back left and my caddy was like “Yeah they’ll put one over on the back right.” And I dropped a ball and the ball just rolled all the way to the back pin so I’m like “I don’t think they can put a pin here.” Like I know you believe they can but if the if the greens are 14 and a half to 15s like a 3% slope or whatever so our yardage books only show slope if it’s like a three or 4% I think and so in our books there’s a couple areas where there’s no lines but because the greens are so fast there’s going to actually be slopes that push it in different directions so I’m flying in Saturday to go ahead and like write down all the different slopes get a feel for like the green like the course even more i feel like I can’t play it enough times to get prepared so I’m going to try to play it as many times as possible play nine holes a day basically Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday amazing amazing so I I mean for us right we’re fans of the game you know uh we love watching the game week in and week out we love all the majors all that stuff for the US Open we live for all this stuff trickling out about how how hard Oakmont’s going to be the Mor massacre Carnage all that stuff gets thrown around do you have a preference at all i mean because we kind of I almost view it as like God all the players going to the US Open must to some degree just hate it being like we are going to get embarrassed we’re going to get our asses kicked it’s going to be you know you’re trying to grind out pars you’re going to make a ton of bogeies overpar might win it versus the average week on tour it’s you know 10 15 20 under par you’re making a lot of birdies is there any kind of mindset shift for you going into this or are you pretty comfortable with the fact that everybody’s playing the same course and you just got to try to play it the best you can yeah totally what the latter what you said um just basically go in feel confident everyone’s got to play it and you just got to try to strategize the best um but I do think there’s going to be moments where top players who are playing really well struggle on this golf course because I don’t think it’s gonna actually reward maybe the the guy who’s hitting it the best it’s going to reward the guy who’s strategy around the course and plays the and misses it in the right spots the most uh is going to is going to be um is going to play better just because there’s a couple fairways where you can hit good shots and you can end up in the rough but if you’re in the right rough going to a right pen you’re totally screwed but if you’re in the left rough and you avoided the the fairway slope you might get a lie and have an angle and then be able to get it close so like a hole like that it could make a difference in a shot or two um so it’s just like you got to be super strategic you kind of got to get lucky I think in a way um I think being in fairway bunkers is going to be better than being in rough um that was the same at Memorial a couple weeks ago you’re definitely better off being in in fairway bunkers pretty much every single time otherwise you’re taking a 56 degree out and and these are pros like these are strong pros like some of the longest guys in the in the in the world and they’re having to hit sand wedge like and pitching wedges max out of this rough and the US Open is going to be the same so like you’re going to be laying up a lot on par fours or just trying to like bounce something up near you know close to the green so um yeah I mean for for me I’m just going to go in and just try to have fun i’m not like I’m not intimidated by it but I do know that it’s going to be a very very challenging test and I know that the cut’s going to be probably 10 over par and the winning score is going to be probably a few over par like if it’s current conditions um that’s just the way it is um yeah I was going to ask you would you you would sign for even par right now i think if you gave me plus four um for the entire week I would probably take it right now and and and I would feel confident i would I would pre I would be decently confident as long as it like I don’t know what the weather is today in Oakmont but if it’s like if the course was like decently firm right now I would side four over and expect to have a chance to win that’s incredible it gets which is crazy i can’t tell you i can’t tell you the last time I went to a course and was like I’ll take an overpar score like maybe creek at Oklahoma State like at NCAA i would have been fine with that my senior year because that’s like one of the hardest courses I’ve ever played but right it’s weird because Oakmont like visually like a lot of the holes you know it’s not like you’re teeing up on you teared up on the the tea box and you’re like all right I can take I can take on this hole it’s not too bad but it’s just the rough is so long and the fairways and and the greens have so much slope that you kind of go through the holes and you’re like man this is like a hard hole to par right now and but on the T- box you’re thinking all right I can take this hole down i can make it pretty so it’s not like it kind of teases you in a way a lot of the holes out there so interesting so I was re-watching uh the the back nine of the 07 I think it was 07 on Hel Cabrera uh at Oakmont and you know Tiger was right there Jim Furick was right there obviously on Hookerber was like holding on to this lead and the back nine was so interesting and so fun to watch for me because it was like every other hole it was actually kind of a birdie opportunity yet you watch player after player kind of be up near the hole in like one less than regulation so even the par five what is it the 12th hole that’s like 650 but they’re ripping drivers down they’re hitting it up near the green and then people couldn’t even keep their chips on the green or like within anywhere near the hole and they’re almost three putting and then uh I think it’s the the next one’s a part three the one after that’s the short par four everybody’s kind of laying up hitting a wedge in there and like still just not quite able to make birdie but it felt like they should have birdie chances and then 17 everybody was making a mess out of 17 which is like a 310 or 20 yard par4 and then in mixed in between that was obviously the hard holes where it was like kind of hold on and I guess just from watching it like there’s plenty of really hard courses that we watch whether it’s US Open course or the memorial last week where it feels like it’s like no letup whereas Oakmont was so interesting to me re-watching that back n where it was like standing on the tea and it was back when Johnny Miller was doing the call who I love and he was like this is a birdie hole here he should have a pretty good chance and it’s like everybody’s kind of like making bogeies and I don’t know it just was to me it was like it gives you it felt like it gave you more hope and or the players more hope and more opportunity off the tea of like on paper what this hole should be and then as they got closer and closer to the green it was like “Oh no they’re not going to make birdie here oh they’re going to struggle to make par here.” And it was like over and over again watching that it was just interesting it wasn’t all 500 yard par4s you know it’s like a it’s a it’s a it’s a more of a mixed bag than I sort of anticipated and remembered and that I thought was almost more of like a mind [ __ ] for the players because it was just like God it’s just not easy even though it looks like it should be kind of easy totally yeah and when I played it on Monday I actually I birdied i think all my birdies were pretty much on the hardest holes like number nine one of the hardest holes out there made birdie number 18 one of the hardest holes out there made birdie and then some of the easy holes easier holes on paper I was like grinding for bogey I remember on a couple of them and I’m like isn’t this supposed to be an easy hole and then I’d bury the hard hole so that’s just kind of what these hard championship golf courses are like you if you hit good shots for pros like yes we might have a 6 five or four iron into like a par4 so like I had a 5iron and a nine I had a sixiron into 18 and had four feet for birdie and eight feet for birdie and it’s like yeah we’re really like we’re good so like we can still birdie these holes but we can look like fools with wedges in our hands if it’s like if there’s a ton of slope or if there’s heavy rough and especially around the greens you can get these gnarly lies where chipping is so hard because it’s almost like it doesn’t matter how hard you swing you don’t really know how like the ball’s going to come out like it’s definitely not spinning but you’re just trying to like you’re trying to get a feel for how the club’s going to go through the turf of the the rough and there’s some times where your club just gets stuck and sometimes it goes through and you’re just like playing this little guessing game of how can I get to the ball cleanly and it’s just it’s it can be frustrating but it’s uh it’s just going to be a good challenge let’s put it that way is is there any part of you that’s like trying to work on having a good accepting patient attitude going in because if you know watching US Open after US Open a lot of what you said earlier you know the best players or whoever’s hitting at the bests might not necessarily get rewarded all the time and that can just drive people crazy and you see at these US Opens Shinik was always our favorite example where Zack Johnson said that they you know lost the golf course Phil Mickelson’s hitting a moving ball it’s like the US Open can almost drive people mentally insane more than it even can test them physically sometimes and it feels like kind of the toughest person mentally everyone’s going to get frustrated everyone’s going to have where they thought they hit great shots and they’re in a horrible spot you know can you go in somehow trying to be like “Okay Ben we got to remember we’re going to get pissed off out there we’re going to feel like we got screwed if it’s going to feel like we’re getting beat up at times but I got to I got to do something to make sure mindset wise I’m as tough as I can be out there.” Yeah the course is definitely going to separate the field a little bit it’s gonna separate guys not from a physical side but definitely from a mental side i think that’s something I’m really good at i over the years I’ve gotten way better at focusing on each individual individual shot and I don’t think ahead anymore like it’s hard it’s hard to get to this point but I’ I’ve gotten to the point with golf where I’m so focused on each individual shot i’m not thinking about like might be thinking about placement for the next shot but I’m not thinking about a hole in a dance i’m not thinking about the previous hole and that’s going to be key at US Opens you got to put bad holes in the rearview mirror you got to just let them go and you might make a double and you might think “Oh crap I need to bounce back and make a birdie.” And I think a lot of the best players in the game are really good at bounce back birdies and I like to think I’m pretty good at that but in the US Open I’m not thinking about that at all um because you’re going to make a bogey and then you’re going to step up on a really tough hole and you’re going to have to go right back to work and it’s the moment you start trying to make birdies in US Opens it probably uh it probably can backfire pretty quick if you’re too aggressive on on the wrong hole um so you know I don’t think the USG is definitely going to set it up to where there’s going to be some there’s they’re going to reward really good shots on on a lot of holes but there’s going to be some some holes and some placements that are really going to frustrate guys and really make guys go into the go into scoring and say “Hey I want to talk to this referee who who set this hole up.” Like what were they thinking like guys are going to say that um but you just got to it’s you got to be so mentally tough in the majors um you know this is my first US Open but I I’ve played in PGA and um and the Open Championships overseas and so um I kind of understand um what it takes at at the highest level in those tough situations and I think going back to like Memorial Memorial is almost like a major championship venue um at Murfield Village and especially the way they had it set up so I feel like I can I can kind of lean on those moments last um last week and kind of continue into the US Open with some with some confidence yeah that’s got to feel like a you know as good of a prep as good of a you know warm-up gear up for the US Open as you could possibly have i mean that golf course it is so intriguing to watch from again a viewer standpoint because you can just you can feel and see from the players strategizing how to make certain scores where a lot of times it’s kind of hit it anywhere for the most part you’re not going to have horrific lies you can wedge it or hit some middle short iron up there on the green and worst case you’re going to have probably a tap in par whereas this was like you know the shot by shot in each hole you could tell watching the player like “Okay here’s my adjusted score in this hole now how could I possibly think my way through getting to you know somewhere like a a four and a half on this hole you know instead of just locking up a four and I thought that was so compelling so I you know is that that’s got to feel I mean I guess you went to Oakmont the next day did it feel when you were there like damn that was a pretty similarish test for what we’re going to face definitely the the rough was very similar um and yeah I mean your field it it it’s a great US Open prep course because I mean they could they could host US Open there um the reason why is because it’s not like you just can ship driver on every single hole there’s a lot of holes out there you’re hitting 3-wood you’re hitting long irons you’re hitting you got to strategize it you can’t just like overpower it and then there’s also the greens you got to you’re focused so much on landing spots which is what you have to have at US Opens too and so and the Greens are small and you can shortside yourself really fast so yeah I mean it’s one of the toughest venues we play on tour um I don’t know what um where it ranks necessarily in terms of like the average winning score on the tour season but it’s got to be in the top like five or six toughest PG4 uh events all year i know i remember gearing up for the tournament last week for the podcast i was kind of doing a little bit of research and it was like I think seven under and then six under with what Scotty and Victor the last two years were the winning scores and I think statistically like I know um Bay Hill’s been up there before in terms of like some of the tougher venues with winning scores and whatnot but I it’s definitely up there memorial’s up there yeah it’s got to be top it’s probably top five to guess so um yeah I mean obvious it was it was a very difficult test um but it’s a good indicator of kind of like where your game’s at and it it definitely exposes if you’re struggling in certain areas so it it was nice for me to play well there to kind of further more help my confidence uh going into more majors so you’re one of only a few players I think three players in like the last four starts in the last month that have beaten uh Scotty Sheffller you took him down down the stretch uh at Colonial uh which was so awesome to watch the drama on 18 after the hole out too and then you stepped up and buried that putt i got to ask you about that that moment cuz you know man I was watching that entire back nine and we talk all the time about how hard it is to win you know and it looked like you had a really firm grip on the tournament you were hitting the shots and even when it looked like you know it looked like things could maybe get a little tighter than they should it was like you’d step up you’d make a big putt you’d make an you know a huge birdie and then still somehow golf has a way of doing the golf thing you know he holes out the the chip from the rough on the 72nd hole and now all of a sudden you just had this crazy little chip from standing in the bunker you’re like almost holding it down to the hoszle hit an amazing shot now you’ve got three or four feet like what was I know you’re really good at taking it shot by shot but what was going through your mind there when he hold that yeah I think I was just in such a good flow going into the 18th hole cuz I had just grinded out a ton of pars in a row and it’s funny because I I assessed that round after um you know with my caddy and then also just kind of by myself and there was one bad one bad swing that I wish I had had back and I acquired the hole but number 14 the doggo left was my only real bad swing down the stretch and it’s funny how that golf course Colonial every year I played it on Sundays like which I didn’t play it on Sunday the previous year um because I missed the cup but the year before I mean it just gets so firm and so difficult and like the fairways get hard to hit the the Wind’s always sneaky around there cuz there’s a lot of trees and so you can’t really feel the wind but then you get to a T- box like 16 which is a little bit elevated and it backs up to like a fence in the road and trees but you see this American flag up on top of the um on top of the clubhouse just blowing so hard and you’re guessing like you’re just like all right well I guess it’s going to get hit down wind but at what point is it the ball going to go down wind and and start going really far and so that hole was 190 194 I think the final round and I hit a 9 iron and I was 15 yards over the green like nuts i hit my nine iron 160 i was probably hitting that nine iron that day probably low 160s and it went 210 yards it’s just like you can’t explain it that’s just how challenging that what are you supposed to hit wedge there it’s 190 you’re supposed to hit wedge so I didn’t have a birdie putt from uh after hole 12 hole 12 was my last birdie putt 13 I flagged it went over the green didn’t get up and down 14 out of position bad hole whatever 15 just through the fairway rough couldn’t get it on the green up and down par 16 flag it over the green 17 T- shot I thought was good right rough over the green up and down and then 18 okay t- shot i honestly I should have hit it more left but in the moment like missing it right there to a left pen I was okay with so right rough really such a hard shot to get on the green of course I leave it in that awkward little spot and then chip it to four feet um yeah i mean when Matty chips that in it’s just like it’s just so it’s so expected cuz when you’re chasing on the PJ tour all you’re trying to do is like literally haul out the next shot it’s like me when I was chasing Scotty down the stretch like 14 I pull out driver like no one’s pulling out driver there except for probably me because I have a chance to win so it’s like you you start pulling off stuff when you’re in second place that normally wouldn’t happen and then like I Eagle 15 and and Birdie 16 at Memorial it’s like all of a sudden Scotty’s thinking like man these are hard 16 is like one of the hardest part threes in the world ben just birdied it like what the heck but anyway so I was like of course Matty chips it in because all he’s thinking about is trying to chip it in but yeah I’m over that four-footer and fortunately I put so many good strokes on it um on par putts previously and I felt so calm and composed i think it goes back to like winning Zurich with Andrew just battling those feelings and getting it done and and in that moment at Charles Schwab I just felt so good and just hit a left edge and picked it out of the hole basically if you’re looking at the footage I basically like walked it in which is kind of bizarre oh yeah it was the most It was Yeah it was like you didn’t even know it was important like the way the footage I was like I don’t think he does he know what happened over there yeah I know but to be fair I was I was feeling so good over it the entire time and literally a second before I hit it I could feel like my hands like start to feel like just a touch different and I was like just hit freaking putt and then hit it and it did but a funny story about that putt actually is Ricky Fowler had a 15footer on a very similar line for birdie and he said if if Matty hadn’t chipped it in I would have had you move your mark but because he because my his putt was basically going pretty close to my mark he said he said he could have made it without hitting my mark but it was still kind of in his way and he was like after my chipped in he’s like there was no way because he was already out of the tournament he’s like “There’s no way I was going to make you move that mark and move it back and then hit the putt to try to win.” So shout out to Ricky Prowler i told him I’d pay him the difference in uh what he finished versus making the butt as a joke as a joke but uh but that’s a classy move i like Yeah I like very classy so you got to shout out Ricky Fowler on that i like that very classy move from him and uh helped me stay a little bit more calm on that putt [Music] truly unruly lemonade contains the high alc fun of truly unruly with everyone’s favorite 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it’s like super bright the greens are like they look almost white because it’s Sunday or no I guess it was Friday but it was afternoon hot firm it’s just like the greens just start turning color and so super bright and I’m trying to read this putt and I just I just floater after floaters going by and I remember lining up my putt and looking out to the out at the hole and then looking back and just kind of almost having like a a blackout moment where I just like couldn’t focus um and I missed the putt and I would have made I would have made the cut if I had made it and I remember getting done and telling Dana like I need to go see an eye doctor like right now and lo and behold I had eight retinal holes in both eyes so basically just like um the best way to explain is so your retina attached to your eye because I have really bad vision to begin with my eye is more um vertical than it is an oval and so my retina as my eye gets more and more vertical it’s easier for it to detach and so I basically had these gaps um in my retina connecting to my eye um called retinal holes and I had to go get those filled in pretty much ASAP so I went to the eye doctor they’re like yeah you need to get this done soon or else you’re at really high risk for retinal detachment like you don’t do this soon your redneck sounds bad your redneck detachment sounds bad you can you can lose vision pretty much jesus if you don’t get to it like fast so I know people that have had retinal detachments and they’ve been fine but um if you’re at high risk of losing vision if you get a retinal detachment so I went in u the next week i didn’t I wasn’t in the US Open or there was something I went to the eye doctor and then I think the next week I basically um went and got the the surgery done um it’s they call it surgery it’s really just like laser work where they just heat your eyes and it takes like 30 seconds to a minute per hole so I was just sitting there basically like sweating my shirt out for 30 minutes as they’re repairing kind of my holes and um it doesn’t fix any of my floaters but it basically just secured me that I’m going to be able to see my central vision is going to be fine but um yeah flash forward a couple weeks and it’s the Canadian Open um and I decided to try sunglasses for the first time just cuz I was like you know looking up like all right how can I reduce floaters what do I do I need to change my diet like um you know how how will sunglasses maybe help and I didn’t want to wear sunglasses but I got to the fourth hole and I I think I made a bogey and I’m like I told my caddy I’m like screw it give me the sunglasses i just had my car sunglasses that I normally wear they’re not meant for golf they’re not meant for anything and I was like I want to wear them i’m just going to try them in a tournament and it was my first time ever wearing like sunglasses during pretty much a round i might have done it as a kid once for fun but um that was my first time trying i did it first round of the RBC Canadian lumbold I end up losing to Bobby Mack by a shot um at the Canadian Open finished second so I’m like “All right I got to wear sunglasses now.” So um yeah I’ve been wearing CT Pan’s model of this uh Usw Moing Company’s uh brand and um I’ve been wearing CT’s model for like a year i’m actually work on changing the design a little bit the the owner obviously found out about the story and everything so he wants me to make make my own instead of me wearing CT I play all these rounds like I I can’t remember who I was playing with i think I was playing with Shane Lowry first two rounds last year Memorial he’s like “Your sunglasses say CT pan on them.” I’m like “Yeah he’s my favorite sponsor you know.” So yeah he’s got like his name on the side of my sunglasses so CT ct pan’s been along for uh along for this ride um but yeah that’s why I wear shades it just um it it keeps things darker so the floaters aren’t as noticeable um you know I was basically I after the Charles Schwah I was like man I guess I got to just deal with these floaters but then once I wore the sunglasses it just made everything darker so on really bright days the floaters are are very easy to see but on when I put on the sunglasses and it’s darker it’s it almost feels like I think mentally I think of it as like a windshield like if I see something on it it’s like oh it’s just a dirty windshield like it’s fine like whatever yeah so yeah I’ve been been rocking the shades and um I didn’t want to wear like standard Oakleys that most golfers wear i’ve never really liked the design of like kind of more athletic sunglasses and I was like let’s just try to rock the CT pan aviators and see what happens and so here we are it’s a brand play you know and you’re the only guy rocking aviators winning golf tournaments out there on tour yep tigers got red Ricky’s got orange i’ve got Aviators i mean that’s where we’re at you got to have something man and you got to have something uh so I got to ask you you’re seventh I believe now you’re up to seventh in the uh RDER Cup points for Team USA have you heard from Captain Keegan Bradley at all yes I have um heard from him as well as pretty much all of the assistant captains um I think there’s a lot of buzz going around but yeah I’ve just told him I’m going to keep doing my thing and try to earn one of those six spots i mean that’s that’s all we can do as players um you know is just try to play our best and uh hopefully I continue this this hot run and and continue to build more and more confidence and um you know I don’t want to be on that team unless I feel like I’m going to beat Roy Moy in a singles match and um I think if I went on that team right now I’d feel that way so hopefully I continue the the confidence and and the good finishes and earn my way on that squad hell yeah i mean it’s uh it’d be it’d be and again I mean you’re right there as of now I think it would be a complete no-brainer and I’m sure it’s hard to not try to think about that you’re out there just trying to play the best golf that you can but it’s wild to think somebody who wasn’t in the Masters tournament is all of a sudden like okay this guy’s seventh and if the team were right now you’d be on the team so it’s just been man it’s been such an incredible run and it’s been very fun to watch they were doing the last week they were doing the uh the breakdown of your swing and the left foot coming off the ground and you just kind of whailing at it and I was like this guy is going after the golf ball you know and it’s like I know you’re obviously you got the you’ve got the history of a business guy and analytical and you’ve got your businesses on the side so it’s like I you sort of almost get this uh you almost get this thought of Ben Griffin out there of like analytically picking apart and then when they did that breakdown they were like “This guy is [ __ ] sending it man he’s like jumping off the ground hitting the golf ball.” And it just got me hyped up and hearing you in the interviews sort of talking about “No I you know I’m I’m sort of at the point now after being in in in the arena with Scotty and and coming up a little short where it was like yeah I mean this is an awesome tournament finish in seconds fine but you know it it really does bleed through that you’ve got the mindset now of like I’m obsessed with winning golf tournament yeah it’s weird and like I hate that I kind of almost came off a little bit cocky in that um when I when I answered it but you know as golfer like as a as top golfers you have to think that way you have to think you’re going to you know you’re you’re going to beat the guy you’re playing against and I firmly thought I was going to win on on at Memorial on Sunday i just I struggled on I struggled on the greens a little bit early and then um a couple swings that I kind of wish I had back but you know I felt super calm and felt good out there like competing against someone like Scotty and I think if you you took me back a year or two I mean my feelings would definitely be a little bit different and so I just feel like I’m at a point where I’ve just made such good progressions mentally physically um and kind of just checked all the boxes to where I feel like I’m doing the right things to be an elite golfer and so I’m just trying to continue to have that mindset continue to do the right things physically um and try to turn what might seem like a heater right now into maybe something that’s uh more reoccurring so I just got to keep keep the keep the same things uh going and yeah I mean maybe uh make that RER Cup team might have to spend some time on Wall Street before the rounds kind of analyzing some stuff and then jump up at the course ready to go with the Aviators get back in your element a little bit there you know feel maybe going to the Lord Abbott office see what the bonds are bond markets are doing uh check on the 10-year treasuries and then uh head up to Bath Page ask everybody how their kids are doing you know you’re still working out over here there Tim that’s great how are kids camps going yeah great you got to do the whole thing how uh how was it inside you know inside the robes in the in the final group with with Scotty i mean Scotty’s on this insane run every player out there’s been asked about him we’ve heard all the different superlatives we’ve seen all the stats and all that you you just described that you know you weren’t intimidated you were confident but just in general being in there with a guy who’s playing as well as he has been for a couple years now who’s coming off you know winning yet another major championship you’re coming off having just taken him down at Colonial here you guys are what was the environment like out there between you and Scott yeah it was cool it was good um you know unfortunately I’ve had some rounds where I’ve had some pretty big crowds and I played with Scotty the the final group on Saturday at the players a couple years ago and I remember you know feeling pretty intimidated like pretty intimidated i was a rookie there’s it was my first time playing in front of like a huge group of fans and so Memorial I think it probably was the most fans I’ve ever had but I just I honestly I was so focused I I didn’t even like care that much i mean I was pretty engaged with the fans but um by no means was I I say I don’t care like don’t care in terms of like an intimidation factor and so being inside the ropes I mean you just know you know Scotty’s going to hit pretty much every fairway you know he’s going to hit every green you just I mean it’s just the way his game is but for me I I did a good job of just focusing on myself that round trying to give myself as many looks as possible because you know even though he’s pretty as consistent as it gets he’s still beatable guys have still beaten him plenty of times and um yeah it’s just uh it was a really cool environment we didn’t talk to each other really at all which I thought was great like me and Scotty are pretty good friends like we talked we talked to each other in the workout room before and in the PT you know um room the night before but like during the round I think both of us were just like focused on business which I thought was awesome and I think you go back uh there was a little I think Bryson Shambo got asked a question like how was how was the talks with Rory he’s like “Yeah he wouldn’t talk to me or whatever.” And like in the final group like none of in every final group I’ve been in it’s not very chatty you’re you’re focused on trying to win a golf tournament and the moment you start kind of getting chatty and stuff it it just takes away from from what you’re trying to do and so yeah it was it was all business it was all a lot of good execution i don’t think either of us hit any like actually well down the stretch it was really cool we both hit some really insane shots but most of the round was just kind of solid back and forth trading pars missed both of us missed a you know a short putt early um kind of happens and then down the stretch it got really fun kind of going going back and forth with shots on you know 15 and 16 um ultimately I didn’t didn’t uh take it take care of 17 got a little little crazy a little out of my element but um it was a it was a good learning experience it was tons of fun to battle it out with him and um I think every golfer on tour would would want to be in the same moment um being in the final group on Sunday with Scotty it’s it’s pretty cool hell Yeah no I uh I’m with you i I I remember uh you know it reminds me of the Tiger when when Tony Fen was asked about playing with Tiger in the final round in 2019 and he you know said he started chatting up Tiger on like the seventh hole and said “So Tiger how are your kids doing?” And Tiger just looked at him and said “Good.” And that was it and didn’t say another word to him the whole time and and I think that then you know the Bryson and Rory thing got blown out of proportion when it’s basically the exact same thing and Rory kind of answered it pretty well being like “Yeah we’re both trying to win the Masters i’m not you know I’m not there to be his best buddy and uh so no I I like hearing that i like that you guys are both not chatty even though you’re great friends you’re good buddies i’m sure you’re chitchaty on Monday Tuesday in the trailer there but when it comes to winning a golf tournament it’s all business and he’s as a fan that’s what I want to hear i want you know guys are like “No no I’m here with Yeah we had we walking off the first team we had a very brief conversation after that I didn’t say a single word to him until I shook his hand on 18 other than like maybe a good shot or or nice birdie or something like that from time to time but yeah um it’s it’s pretty much all business and that’s how it should be i mean you look at other sports like NBA players like you shouldn’t be chatting up with like another guy in NBA Finals like you know with a minute left like it’s just it’s just not what what sports are you got to stay focused and locked in and um golf golf nowadays there’s it’s so hard because you have to be so precise and you’re constantly thinking about your next shot and then also the pace of play play side i mean the tour is pretty pretty honest about a lot of that stuff um and you’re kind of after you hit a shot you’re kind of already thinking about what the next shot’s going to look like just so you don’t have to take super long i took really long on a shot and um in the final round when I was like close to the tree I I was there’s actually a hot mic where what people on social media thought I said kill myself I was said I’m glad I didn’t kill myself because I was right behind a tree but the mic didn’t pick up i’m glad so everyone was like “Oh my god Ben saying this.” So I apologize to anyone that thought I said that out there it was a tough moment for me on socials but um yeah it was uh it’s it’s hard because you you can kind of get in some of those tough situations and it’s hard to play fast because you’re trying to assess everything you’re trying to leave in the right spot but um yeah it’s it’s a lot of business out there you’re kind of already thinking about your next shot after you hit a shot and there’s not much time to chitchat on a final round on the uh on the just typical like golf etiquette and comments like if Scotty you know on any normal par four pulls driver hits the fairway are you like nice shot or are you kind of like is that so is that too routine to like chime in too routine for him like it’s too routine for for any other player like Yeah nice try but uh No yeah yeah golf etiquette changes with Scotty because he has expectations everyone else is like you got to reserve it yeah you can’t just be Yeah all day it’s It’s like Ben Grim hits a fairway he goes “Wow great swing man i didn’t know you could do that.” Ted Scott’s like “Oh awesome shot dude that was amazing.” Uh that’s funny ted actually said uh Ted Ted said some words to Scotty a lot during that final round he he was kind of like great execution way to like not like he’d never say good shot but just like great execution great process like he’d say words like that which I thought was pretty intriguing he never really he never really said good swing he was like way to way to focus on the the execution and stuff like that i was like “All right so they’re locked into their own like little vocab compared.” And you filed that away you’re like “Huh put that in that quadrant of Y all right man well I know we kept you a little long but uh it’s very you’re you’re a great a great interview one of the hottest players in the game right now so being able to talk to you especially US Open week coming off of a a practice round at Oakmont coming off a couple wins coming off playing with Scotty and battling him at you know one of the toughest venues of the entire year going birdie going Eagle Birdie down the stretch there’s just a lot to talk about and like I said you’re a great great interview i like you’re very thoughtful about stuff you love kind of explaining stuff and talking through things which in the world of golf like we’re we crave that stuff because it is like you just talked about it’s a little bit isolated you’re sort of trying to be you know I know Kiz has talked about a lot he’s like I’m trying to be boring basically he’s like when I’m when I’m playing golf I’m trying to hit a fairway hit a green and try to make a putt not get too high not get too low so sometimes we could be shut out and so to just kind of hear all of it from you right now when you’re when you’re playing really well is uh is awesome so we really do appreciate it yeah no problem thanks for having me on and if anyone out there needs some help with their short-term rentals let me know you’re the guy you are optimize those short-term rentals baby triad triad’s the name of the company triad all right i’m going to remember i might utilize you guys you know I got to optimize my spot piners make sure let’s go little dynamic pricing could be good um all right good luck next week at the US Open we’ll be up there so we’ll try to see you and say hi and and worst case we’ll be following you everybody will be rooting you on so you popped a good play appreciate it i’ll keep the pedal down thanks Rigs
19 Comments
Lurch>beef
Enough with the beef experiment. Dude says nothing original and has the personality of a wet noodle
Rory won the masters using an illegal driver and he hasn't played well since getting caught… facts
God beef sucks +7 winner would be awesome
Beef is a dud. He only got hired because Portnoy loves super fat guys. He doesn't bring anything to the pod or to the content
hovland sneaky heating up
Can’t wait for carnage! Tell beef to go kick rocks!
Tell beef to shut up already! What an idiot. Let’s just make it soo easy for them what a dumb take
Beef seems like a nice guy, but why is he still on the podcasts? He adds nothing, thought they got that by now.
people talking about the "illegal "driver stuff in a way that makes it sound like a corked bat in baseball is just incorrect . It's not the same , rory didn't get caught doing anything wrong his driver face just reached the point where it's too thin after so many shots it's not like he added or took away from it on his own to make it better , he didn't cheat in anyway shape or form
Rather see a +5 winner vs -25, Beef needs to shut up
Great interview
Beef needs to do podcasts shirtless
Beef has lost the room
Beef is wrong.
Beef is about to eat the table.
Made it about 25 mins boys. One of the worst golf podcasts I’ve heard in a while.
Beef is wrong on this one. This is the US Open. If -8 wins, then it’s just the PGA Championship again. Heck even Quail only 1 person was better than 8 under bc of all the rain. Or winner would have been single digits. This is supposed to be the toughest test.
Damn beef sucks..Dan was light years better holy shit what a joke of a take