Could Rory McIlroy complete the calendar Grand Slam? | Sky Sports Golf Podcast

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Sky Sports’ Jamie Weir is joined by Rob Lee and Mel Reid on this week’s Sky Sports Golf Podcast to review the action from the weekend’s golf. Guests discuss the Zurich Classic of New Orleans, could Rory McIlroy complete the calendar Grand Slam, the Chevron Championship and are joined by Wyndham Clark.

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00:00 – Novak and Griffin win in New Orleans
05:25 – Hojgaard twins finished 2nd
08:30 – Europe will be up against it with New York crowd
10:30 – Rory McIIroy after Masters win
13:20 – Grand Slam this year?!
16:20 – Olazabal named Ryder Cup vice-captain
20:25 – Marco Penge first win on DP World Tour in Hainan
24:35 – Mel Reid/Chevron Championship review
39:00 – European challenge
40:30 – Missed cut for Charley Hull
42:50 – Mel announced as Solheim Cup vice-captain
44:30 – Wyndham Clark interview
52:45 – Watching Rory win Masters
54:20 – Making US Ryder Cup team is one of Wyndham’s top targets this year.

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Hello and welcome to the Sky Sports Golf Podcast presented by Callaway. If at first you don’t succeed, try try and try again. Andrew Novak was in the final group on Sunday for the fourth time this season. And on this occasion, he did get over the finish line alongside his good pal Ben Griffin in New Orleans. Rory was back, too. And looking as if the proverbial weight had been lifted. We will discuss what exercising a decade’s worth of demons at Augusta will do for him. A record smashed in the first women’s major of the year with the largest playoff in major championship history. Mao Saigo the last woman standing after Aria Jatanagar booted it away in dramatic fashion. In the final part of the pod, I’ll have an interview with the US Open champion of two years ago, Winden Clark. We discussed that dramatic victory at LACC. His ambitions to be a multiple major champion, his speaking out about men’s mental health and his budding bromances with Shane Li, Ludvig Oberg and Min Wu Lee. And we’ll wrap up what’s been going on around the world of golf, including some RDER Cup news with a genuine legend of the game added to the European team. to discuss that. Delighted to say I’m joined from the US by our very own Rob Lee who survived all the interminable weather delays in New Orleans and is here to tell the tale. Good morning to you, Rob. How are you doing? It funnily enough for me it is good morning. Good afternoon for you. Yeah, it was a very um it was a protracted week because they came off the golf course a couple of times with what looked like nothing more. There was no weather coming in, but just as they get over here, pop-ups out of nowhere, thin air. Yeah. The threat of lightning and you it’s it’s disrupting, but players are used to it, particularly in the United States. Yeah, they are indeed. Well, let’s let’s get straight into it. Then the Zurich Classic in New Orleans. We had first time winners on the PJ tour in the form of Andrew Novak and Ben Griffin. A victory which clearly means a lot to both of them. Some very emotional scenes afterwards. and rub. Basically, they said that they’ve been working hard together at home and kind of practicing towards this. They mentioned six in the morning, which is which is pretty strict. Um, Novak last week looked like looked to me um because I got to see him a lot like a really good player. He he didn’t lose it. He got beaten by Justin Thomas. So, sometimes you you don’t end up winning because you kind of lost it. Sometimes another player just does something better to beat you. That’s what happened to him. So I think he came in here not with the feeling that he was owed but with the feeling that he was good enough. And you never know, you know, you got two days of four ball better, two days of forsomes, you got a partner, he’s got to play well. You never know how that’s going to go. But for two of them, a first win as mates practicing together. It all turns out beautifully on a Sunday. It’s a Cinderella story. Yeah, it is. And I’m delighted for Andrew Novak. As I said, four times he’s been in the final group on Sunday and as you mentioned, lost that playoff to Justin Thomas last weekend. Seven days later, lo and behold, he is a PJ tour winner. All the drama seemed to come at the 17th. Frankie Sappan hitting it into the water and then Ben Griffin just draining this long putt. So, a two shot swing there. That was the hole that was going to decide things really. The 16th had a perilously short left pin close to the water. Both groups in that final pairing were lucky not to get wet. And then at 17, the only place you can’t go is left when the first team when Frankie Sappa knocked it in the water. Andrew Novak has just got to hit it right. Just don’t go in the water. And another yard left. He’s in the water. And then his partner drains it from the back of the green for a most unlikely two to give them what was a fairly comfortable final hole. But it all hinged on that 17th hole and they turned a four or a five into a two. Remarkable. There’s a great Ben Griffin goes to sort of celebrate and he does he doesn’t know where Andrew Novak is and he sort of almost celebrates in is it Jake Knapp or Frankie Sappan’s base? I can’t remember which one, but he got there in the end and as I said, you know, it’s it’s must be really emotional finally getting over the line. You know, yes, it’s pairs. Yes, it’s maybe not how you dreamed it when you dreamed of being a PGR tour winner. Sure. with your pile alongside. You must be pretty special as well, I’d imagine. I think it must feel pretty good and it counts as a as a bonafide Friday win on the PJ tour. You you that’s win number one for both players. There’s not there’s not an asterisk. That’s what it is. So, they both go into today. They wake up on Monday as champions on the PJ tour with an upgrade in their standing and the signature events and major championships and all the things that it counts for the money, the FedEx cup points. There’s really if you haven’t won before, there’s just so much more than what you see on the day riding on it. And even when they were green high and two at 18 and there was a chip shot off that dreaded Bermuda that had given people kittens all week long, it still wasn’t quite done and dusted, but he managed to get it over the bunker and get it to a place where they could dribble it down in two pans and make sure they won it. But, you know, we’ve seen it before. All you’ve got to do is make five to win. That’s not that easy to do sometimes, but they just about got it over the line. I was pleased for the pair of them for sure. They did and they won by one shot from the Hoyard twins who everyone on this side of the pond will have been rooting for. I I spoke to Nikolai and Raz at Augusta and they’ve really come out of their skin. They used to be they wouldn’t say boo a goose. Now they’re starting to show their personalities a bit. They’re still very sort of Scandinavian, very Danish ways. They’re Danish, but they they they don’t really show you that much of their personality, but they’ve both got a very dry sense of humor. And I tell you what, they were impressive. They How many putts did they miss, though? They through the week they they were way back on what should have been their fair share. They they could have won that tournament walking away. Um yeah, neither of them look really that proficient on the greens this given week and still, you know, they end up finishing second. They got the most worldly drop from the left hand side of 18 because the T-shot was out of bounds all day long. It pitched on the cart path was careering towards the right post and somehow some really thick juicy grass stopped it and then of course they got line of sight from the line of tents lining the left hand side of the 18th hole and they drop it way away from where they were clear view of the green and turn that into a birdie four. So, I don’t think they could have asked anymore in the way they finished the tournament to finish second on their own was pretty good for them. That’s, you know, that’s their best finish ever up to date on the PJ tour. And I imagine Luke Donald will have been watching that very pleased with what he was seeing from the two of them. Oh, I think um yeah, I see more Hoygard involvement when we get to the next Ryder Cup. And I think those two playing more in the States can only help because you get to If you’re a European tour player, DP World Tour player, and you’ve played mostly your golf on the DP World Tour, you get to the big show and you’re not kind of in the environment that you’re used to being in every week, they are they’ll be on the range with these guys every week practicing with um prospective RDER Cup players. So, when they eventually get to September onto Long Island, they they’re not going to feel overroared in that sense. They’ll feel like they belong. It can only help that. And Europeans will need all the help they can get against that New York crowd. No question about that. And do you know what? It’s interesting. There were a few little eyebrows raised when Nikolai was picked for Rome. And you know, people maybe thought Adrien was a more obvious pick. Yeah. But Luke kind of alluded to the fact, well, Nikolai Holyard is going to be the part of RDER Cup teams for the best part of the next decade. Since then, Raz has kind of emerged from his shadow a little bit as well. won the Irish Open at Royal County down last September and you can now sort of sort see the sort of thinking when you immerse Nikolai Hogard in the experience of a Ryder Cup two years ago as Luke did. He’s now going to be so much stronger for that experience when he arrives at what is going to be a bare pit in Beth Paige. Uh a Ryder Cup veteran. I think once you play one Ryder Cup, you become instantly a Ryder Cup veteran. There is nothing like your first Ryder Cup. And for those that make it for the first time when they go to Long Island, they will never experience that again in their RDER Cup lifetime. It’s going to be a unique one-off rockus New York out of order crowd that the Europeans are going to have to deal with. Um I said during the week, I think Luke Donald should issue them all with ear defenders. So, you know, just block out the noise cuz it will be crowds are getting when they’re on the beer, they’re getting braver and they’re getting closer to the start of the swing or even closer to the start the down swing. And I think you’ll see you’ll see all the wrong sort of exuberance from the crowd when we get to when we get to September. So, for the Europeans, it’s going to be a lot to contend with. So having played in a home one in Rome, that will have felt like a cakewalk compared to an away leg, especially an away leg in New York. That is like no other. Here’s the thing though, Rob. We had Billy Horchel on the podcast a few weeks ago, and we discussed this with with an interview coming up with Windam Clark later on in this week’s podcast. The New York crowd will turn on their own. You know, if there’s suddenly a lot of blue on that scoreboard, they’ll start booing the Americans as well. It’s a little bit like a French rugby crowd. If if America get behind, the New Yorkers will eat their own. Well, I I mean I I remember when Brooks Kepler won the PGA there and the crowd wanted Dustin Johnson and this is just people shouting for one player. Imagine people shouting for 12, you know, a complete side of the universe that’s on their side. That’s how it’s going to be. And yes, you’ve always got the chance, like at any football ground, you’ve got the chance to go to an away ground and silence a crowd. You can do it. and they will start to boo. That will happen. But if the Americans get their tails up, have a winning first session, it’s going to be it’s going to be difficult anyway to win a Ryder Cup. And in recent Ryder Cups, it’s the home team that seems to win all the time. And away leg hasn’t been won for some time. This would be an amazing win for the Europeans, but they will be up against it. No, exactly. And um let’s talk about two men who have experienced many RDER Cups now. And the Irish were the defending champions this week. They put up a good fight for a long time. Just couldn’t quite get anything going in the final round. But Rob, I wanted to talk about relaxed Rory joking about missing short putts in his pre-ournament press conference. I mean, I thought he looked 10 years younger. Obviously, this format helps, but it seemed like he had a smile on his face all week. I’ll never forget that final that Sunday at the Masters, the most amazing final round, I think, in terms of the roller coaster up and down. I was exhausted as a viewer watching Rory. Um, and I was so delighted for him that he got it over the line. If he hadn’t got it over the line on that master Sunday, it would be um thinking about he takes so much heat anyway. If he hadn’t got it over the line that the you know the cat calls from people buried in their grandmas basement tweeting stuff would have been horrific. So for that reason alone, I I was so pleased that he’s done a great thing. He’s won his fifth major. He’s one of a club of six now with a career grand slam. So that said and done, how how do you pick things up with the emotional if it was an emotional roller coaster for me and for you and for everyone watching, it must have been times a million for Rory. So how do you get yourself back into the head space where you’re going to start to play again? I don’t think this could have been a more perfect week to play with your buddy Shane who who’s like his minder when they’re playing rider cuts. Shane um and come back and defend. And in fairness to Shane, he said to Rory after the Masters win, you know, do you still want to go and play in in New Orleans? Because he gave him he gave him the option to opt out because he might be exhausted or, you know, just it’s just too much to take on board. In fairness to Rory, he said, “No, I’m coming. We’re playing. We’re going to defend.” And they gave it a good shot. And I think Rory’s now back into he’s had the glad handing on the range. Well done. And all that that that only lasts a very short time. And then your head is straight back into what I’m doing this week. next time he plays and I’m not sure what his next event is but he may be play couple weeks as the defending signature event. Yeah. Okay. So he’s going to play and then and then work his way to Quail Hollow. As we know he’s he’s uh he’s hard to beat around Quail Hollow. I mean I’m you actually you actually couldn’t have drawn the schedule up better could you? Because you, as you said, win the Masters, a week a week off, then not a hit and giggle, but you know, a week with your best pal where you can just, you know, let your hair down and relax, then another week off, then you defend a title, and then you head to a tournament at a course where you can win with your eyes closed. This this all started on the Wednesday at Augusta when Poppy hold that putt down the hill. Yes. in the park three competition and they went nuts and and Shane and Rory were hugging and the kids were picking each other up and then at the end of the four days of the masters Shane and Rory were hugging. They were hugging this week. Then he goes to Quail Hollow which he’s he’s masterful around to keep the ridiculous dream and notion that there could be an actual grand slam achieved this year. But if the stars are aligning, we can see it to this point cuz he goes to Quail Hollow, then he goes to Oakmont, and if he gets three, the noise, the noise in your part of the world is going to be honestly, it’s going to be utterly deafening. And I’m I’m here to say, as ludicrous as it is, only six guys in their lifetimes have won all four majors. Jean Saratan and Ben Hogan completed the Grand Slam. the career grand slam on the last major that they won. It’s a very hard thing to do. So Royy’s the sixth guy to contemplate somebody doing from the masters the next three following it is preposterous. We look like idiots, but there’s a bit of me that says you never know. You never know. You never know. Um let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I’ll tell you what was a marvelous moment was we’ve already sort of touched upon the weather delays on Saturday. The horn goes as they’re on the 18th green. They have to go into the clubhouse. They come back out. Harry Diamond and Darren Reynolds don’t even bring the golf bags out. Shane just comes out to be a spectator. Roy just wanders out with his putter. Drains a what 35 foot putt. There you go. How’s that? What a great moment that was. Do you know he hit two? He hit a a drive and a fivewood onto the back of that. Well, he he took the pin line which was firm then he got it 30 ft past the hole about as good as he could have done and then the horn went off and then there was an hour and a half and then he came out. It’s quite a hard thing to do. You might practice part on the putting green before you go just to hit one or two putts. Um it’s a hard thing to do cuz you starting cold all the time and the everyone the crowd hadn’t left. They were all in place. It makes it drains the 30footer for the eagle. It gives them a big, you know, a really big boost at that time and it felt like that was the end of Saturday. There was still nine holes to play with with the guys that were leading. We’d seen Rory and Shane finish with that harrah back out into the golf course to see what the the rest of the players were doing on that back nine. Yeah, it was a great moment. It was it was almost like it felt like a tournament winning moment in the wrong place. That’s what it felt like. Yeah, it was a fantastic moment. And look, this format, I don’t know if there’s room for another tournament like this in the schedule. It’s already pretty packed, but I think for one week, it’s great to see this format. You see how much players enjoy playing with somebody alongside them. So, um, I think a really fun week, the Zurich, we’ll do our traditional rider cup match. We’ve already spoken about Rory and Shane, about the Hoygard Twins. Decent week again for Se Straa emerging as someone who won’t just be on that European team, but someone that Luke leans on in that European team. Aaron Ry continued to play consistently good golf. and Thomas Dietri and Bob McIntyre had a decent week playing together. We should therefore start our roundup of events around the world of golf with a little bit of RDER Cup news because last week Jose Marielabal was named as one of Europe’s vice captains again reprising his role from Rome joining Eduardo Molinari who will by the way be my guest on next week’s podcast and Thomas Bjorn. Rob, what a man. Rder Cup legend Ollie. I mean just so many wonderful words to say about the man. Yeah. What Luke Donald has in pragmatism, Ollie has in passion. And he he he’s carried the Sevy mental into the RDER Cup post Seby’s career. And yeah, you would want Ollie in your team room because um he he he lives and breathes still does lives and breathes golf and he lives and breathes Ryder Cup. Why would you not want that guy in and around the team um as a vice captain? So very obvious and sensible appointment from Luke Donald who so far seems to do nothing wrong. He seems to make all the right calls and he’s very statesmanlike Luke Donald and I think the right sort of captain in the cauldron that’s going to be New York. I think Luke Donald is the perfect guy. If anyone can make or find a little bit of calmness out the madness, it’s him. So, I think Jose Maria, yeah, Jose Maria being on board with the team, um, a no-brainer. Absolute no-brainer. You speak to any of that players from Rome and they say just anytime he spoke in that team room, you could hear a pin drop. Just everybody went silent and he had people in floods of tears. Rory Mroy, John Ram, you know, these big alpha males with tears streaming down their face because of the things that Oie had to say. Yeah. Because he doesn’t talk to you like I’m talking to you now. Like, so I think what we need to do is it’s all like that, you know. It’s it’s you it’s oozing out of him. You cannot mistake it for what it is. You see how invested he is, how much passion he has. And he, you know, they they suck it up like sponges. Wow. I’m going to have a bit of this onto the golf course. And that’s what he can bring to a team room. And that’s what he will bring to to our players in in New York. No doubt about it. And Luke Donald, you know, for all his calmness and planning and pragmatism, he’s got a fire brand in Jose Maria Olaf, which you need, you need a bit of ying and yang in your in your staff, captaincy and vice captain. No doubt. Yeah, just great ace to have up your sleeve. Jose Maria off the bell. Um Marco Penge was the winner of the Highland Classic. His maiden win in the DP World Tour. Very emotional afterwards as you might imagine talking about how much time players spend away from home, how they do this for their families. He said, “To be able to say that I’ve won on the DP World Tour when my son’s a little older and kind of be a hero to him, I walked to the tea, watched some videos of him laughing and smiling and it gave me that inner strength today.” And that is what it’s all about, Rob. It was all about family for these guys. That first win in tour, you did it in a playoff in K. Obviously fitting how glamorous you are, but that first win must always be so special for players. Do you know the great thing just to go back to can not in in the early days you couldn’t always get home on a Sunday night. So I took a dozen guys out to dinner and bought dinner. But on the on the green where they had the ceremony in can they had a a gerome of of of moets. Um and I thought oh we’ll we’ll bring that to the to the dinner table and and share it. No, no, no. My mates cork off. Formula 1 moment just hosed me with all of it with the with the champagne bottle. You don’t see that very often now. They do they do bottles of water now on the 18th grade. That’s such a let down. Such a let down. Were you ringing Were you ringing the shirt out and trying to get every last drop of mole out of that shirt? No. Do you know what? I I I actually the neck of the bottle was so fat I just about got my hand around it. I got one glo out of it and that was it. It was done. They spent the whole lot. But I I wish someone had got a picture of that or something, but it was very funny. And there was no there’s no way I could have stopped that. No way. No. Exactly. But for Marco, like he will always remember that. That’s your first win. It’s always a special one because because when you practice and play and you come through the rankings and eventually get out into the big game, you actually don’t know if you can do it until you cross the line. And um it reaffirms what you thought about yourself and it lets you dream a little bit more. Once you get the win, you can start to dream, well, do you know what? If I can hold my own once, maybe I can do it again or maybe I can do it a handful of times, whatever. But you never know until you you can’t take the second step on the ladder until you take the first step. And you can spend a long time. You talk about Andrew Novak and all those times finishing second and and runner up and you you’re playing well and then you start to doubt yourself as to whether you can actually open a door and step through it and and for Marco Benji you did and he’s got a lot of talent hits the ball miles. He’d set a long long way. So let’s see. I always like it when a guy breaks through wins for the first time to see if there’s if that’s the change in gear if if if now we’re seeing what he can become. So that’s now why I’m going to be watching Marco Penge a lot more closely because he’s got it over the line and the first win for him, his family, his kids. Huge. Yeah, absolutely. It books on a place at the next major as well, the PJ Championship at Quail Hollow along with Eugeni Chakara and Kaitton Nik Kaitton Nakajima who tops the Asian swing of the DP World Tour season. Rob, thank you for your time. We’re going to let you go now, but before I do, one final question. Yeah. Manchester United versus Tottenham Hotspur Europa League final. Is it going to happen? Well, I mean, I see you put up a strong defense against Liverpool yesterday. You You must have been very pleased about that, I think. Or did you score first and then concede five? Oh, well, denied Arsenal title decided. It’s a It’s a numbers game. So, do you do you know we By the way, Manchester United looked mightily impressive against Bournemouth yesterday. I have to say I I can see um I’m a mad Man United fan, but I can see I I do believe in Ruben Amar and I can see Yeah. Yeah. I can see progress and I can see a way forward. I couldn’t with the previous manager. I couldn’t see what we were trying to do and I see with Amaring what we are trying to do. I’m really really um at the top of the Amarin uh fan base. I I I’m I’m a big Reuben Amaring fan and I think he will get it right now. Whether we go on and and and be Bill Bower, I don’t know. And whether Tottenham can get to the big game, I don’t know. But it would be fun because we both had in the league very bad seasons and it’s everything on the line to get back into the Champions League. It It will just be for both clubs such a massive game. Massive massive game. 15th against 16th in the Premier League, meeting in the Europa League final to for a spot Champions League. You can ride Funny things happen, don’t they? But you know, you get to a semi-final, you start to we as Irish, British people, English people, we tend to build people up and can’t wait to knock them down. So, we will already be if oh, we’re just going to, you know, we’re going to brush them aside. Of course, it’s going to be a Tottenham Man United final. We mentally that’s what we do. We have to respect our opponents in this semi-final and both teams are going to have to play very well to get through to to actually it’s in Bill Bao again. So United if they go through into Bill Ba twice. So um as you know we it’s a big big potentially matchup between um a club in North London and a club in Manchester. And for your sake and my sake I hope it does happen. And Robert Lee and I by the way have a little side bet every year depending on who has the better season between Manchester United and Spurs. I think I’m still waiting to be paid for last season. H So we’ll see who’s we’ll see who’s paying up this season. Can I just say I wish you all the best. Likewise. May the best side win, which is which is probably Athletic Bilbao. And we’re going to take a quick break there. When we return, I’ll be joined by Mel Reed to look back on a dramatic final oro in the first women’s major of the year, the chevron. Reuben is the Messiah. Welcome back to the Sky Sports Golf podcast presented by Callaway. Rob Lee has made way for my next guest because at precisely the same time as he was watching the final round of the Zurich Classic unfold, she was watching the final round of the Chevron Championship unfold. Delighted to say that Mel Reed joins me again as she did last week to look back on the first women’s major of the year where we had the largest playoff in major championship history. Japan’s Mao Saigo is a major champion. basically because others just kept throwing it away. It was genuinely extraordinary stuff to watch, Mel. Yeah, it was wild. And we were It was kind of um there wasn’t really much going on in the event to be honest. And then all of a sudden, like in the last hour, people were like hucking it, duffing it, fattening it, hauling putts, missing putts. I said the last hour was for us was great. It was like more way more dramatic than we anticipated, but it was just like nobody wanted to actually win the tournament. It was kind of odd really. Usually you kind of get someone that’s like, “Oh, right. Here we go. Three birdies in a row. Off they go.” And it was basically the opposite. It was like three bogeies in a row to like lose it and things like that. So, well, it made for great TV and it gave us something to talk about at least. So, it was good, good finish in the end. And it just felt like Saga was kind of the last woman standing, the last one who failed to make a mistake because as you say, it wasn’t just in the playoff that it feel felt like nobody wanted to win it, but for the entire back nine, I I mean, I could count on the fingers of one hand how many birdies I think I saw. It was playing tough. I think the best round yesterday was was four under. Um, so look, it wasn’t like somebody could go out there from, you know, kind of the pack underneath the leaders and shoot like seven under and kind of overtake them and win. So it was just it just looked to me like it was extremely hard to get any sort of momentum on that golf course. And it wasn’t like people were shooting gazillions either. Like it wasn’t like that. It was just kind of around like one slight three over. It was kind of like the standard kind of what everyone was was uh was scoring. But the greens definitely firmed up um throughout the weeks. And then you could hear the telly, couldn’t you? When the balls were landing in the green, it sounded like they were hitting cement. But then like around the greens, it’s kind of undulated and like I think it was super soggy around the greens cuz we saw a lot of kind of like duff chips which we don’t normally see that amount of duff chips. Um so yeah, it was it was wild really to be honest with you. And then I mean the thing with Arya like we kind of went on about Arya but to be fair to to Arya like she wasn’t really we never really spoke about her all week and then all of a sudden she kind of goes out with a bit of a bang like birdie eagle early and then she kind of bogeies the two par fives coming in which is just not normally what she does. Then obviously everyone’s seen the duff chip on 18. But the one for me as well in the play layoff was that we kind of didn’t talk about was roning yin. Yeah. Yeah. Where she hit it to like 8 foot and three whacked it. Yeah. And we’ll we’ll get into that, but let’s let’s deal with Arya first because I just wonder how she slept last night. I mean, she she threw this major away really, didn’t she? Amazing start as you said to that final round. Stunning Eagle at the fourth as soon as she had a two-shot lead. I don’t know whether she’s a scoreboard watcher, but I felt she began to really sort of tighten up at that point. Hit some really sort of nervy loose shots. And I suppose you need to remember seven years ago she was the best player on the planet and you know, winning majors. She hasn’t won in almost four years. Was put in the clock as well yesterday. And I wonder how much of the part that played in felt it all sort of culminated in that douff chip at 18. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this isn’t the first time that she’s kind of she’s got a little bit of a reputation for trying to throw away big events like um you know the chevron which was at the time I think it was ANA you know a few years ago she had I think she had a two- shot lead with three to playing the last three hooked it on the last and then her home event years ago when she was 17 she had a two-shot lead going down 18 and tripled the last and then she had at Shaw Creek I remember this really well cuz I was there she had a seven shot league going into the back nine and luckily went in a playoff but like completely to Hu Kim ironically who was also in this playoff. Yeah. Um but yeah she she had to get a playoff for that with a seven shot lead with nine to play. So she does have a tendency to try her best to throw on big events. Um which is kind of wild because she works so hard on her mental game. Um, and she’s certainly got better and she’s a very good closer in normal events, but when these big events kind of give her the opportunity, she really does sign up and she didn’t she actually hit it really poor uh coming in like she stuffed the chip on nine first of all and then you know on 13 she like she went for the green and two and she like basically top healed it and then hit it way over the back like massive mistake like completely mental error there. And then on 18, I mean that T-shot on 18 in regulation was horrific as well. Like she kind of like tow hooked it. Um lucky it got through the tree. Yeah. So, but look, like I said earlier, like she she kind of just got herself in the tournament last minute um in contention. And so I feel kind of bad saying like did she completely throw away? Like I she definitely did have a hand on the trophy. Um, and and she just honestly just hit a duff chip at the wrong time. And the lie to be honest, I will give her a little bit of the lie was horrific. Like it is a bit it’s really inconsistent over that side. Um, and I think the both chips that she duffed. Um, also both had water at the back and like was falling away towards the water. So I don’t know if that was in the back of her mind as well, but yeah, just I feel like she just rushed it a little bit. I feel like she wanted to kind of get over the moment and just just get it done. Um I think if she could look back, she would have probably taken a bit more time, but look, she should take a lot of positives from it as well. Like Ari’s not had the best season. Um she starts to come into a little bit of form, but to have a chance to win a major, you know, you’re going to take confidence away from it. One line I heard in the commentary which kind of made me bristle a bit was she was unlucky not to get a drop on 18 in regulation. Let’s deal with the elephant in the room here. players just firing it into that grand stand knowing they get they’re going to get a drop. That’s just what is that all about? That’s not major championship golf. No, I know. But I mean that grand was so tight to that 18th hole. Like she was lit. Did you not hear on the commentary? She was her caddy’s like right aim at that bloke over there. She basically hit him. She nailed him. I guess she nailed him. She did a great shot. Um yeah. Look, I mean I don’t know. I mean I can’t really comment. I’ve definitely done it before by accident though. It was that way at Mission Hills as well. There was that back stop at Mission Hills. Don’t Yeah, that was stupid. Yeah, like we did and then they got rid of the big round but they still put the wall at the back. Remember that? Yes. Which is why when Ronny Yin hits that shot in the playoff, that second shot was a proper golf shot and you’re thinking like you deserve to go and drain this eagle putt now. And she three jabs it. I mean, yeah, she’s And it’s funny with Ronin because I I as soon as she hit that shot, I thought, here she goes again because she is absolutely fearless. Like, that is her strength. Like, when she’s in a moment, she just takes it. Like, she doesn’t bow away. She doesn’t play any differently. She’s got an unbelievable caddy on the bag. And Dave Jones, great bloke, by the way. Um, and he’s been around for donkeys years. So, like they’ve got that experience. And she’s just usually very clinical when she has an opportunity to win a big event. Doesn’t shy away from it. And so when she hit it to like what 11 ft 12 foot, I thought, right, you’re just going to cozy that one down. You know, you never know, it might win it or you just you’re guaranteed to kind of get another hole under your belt in the playoff. And then you just wax it like I mean, she whacked that thing like seven foot pie. Yeah. Yeah. It was extraordinary. And like the camera was focusing on her before her eagle putt. She just looked like coolness personified. Knew exactly what she had to do. And then when the camera was on her after she’d put it 7 foot past, she looked shell shocked. I mean, she genuinely looked at, “What have I just done here?” You had no confidence that she was then going to hold the bird. No, exactly. I think she was going for glory. I think she was like, “Right, I’ll give it a go.” Cuz someone’s bound to make a birdie. I think is what she was thinking. I think she was thinking the three and not the four. One of the sort of real sort of fairy tale stories that almost emerged was Lindy Duncan. Now, Lindy Duncan has been a pro for 12 years. Has kind of jumped between the LPGA and Epsom tours. Has never had a win. Never had a top 10 in a major before yesterday. best finish was 15th and that was seven years ago. She had a local caddy in her bag as well and at one point you thought I mean this could be a incredible story because who would have picked her going into the week? Yeah, I mean I’ve known Indie for for years as well. I mean she’s she’s one of the most popular players on tour just because she’s been around for so long. But it’s funny um you want the fairy tale story, right? Like it’s Yeah. Okay, it’s going to change um Malo’s life, but it wouldn’t have really changed Arya’s that much. It would have really changed, you know, Ronan Yin, but it really, really, really would have changed Lindy Duncan’s life. Um, in fact, that finish still has changed her life tremendously. Like, no doubt about it. Um, and just the fact that she had a local caddy and just the fact that I know she’s one of the hardest workers out there, like to a to a deficit, like I I think that it like doesn’t help her in a lot of ways. Um, she’s kind of known as like inspector gadget because she’s got like a suitcase of gadgets on the driving range every single event. Um, so yeah, look, I think she’s now working with Sean Foley. I think he’s going to take a little bit more of like you’re an athlete and we need to get rid of these gadgets and we work on a couple things, but you’re an incredible athlete. Let’s just kind of run with that. And so to see kind of the hard work pay off, you know, fruits for labor pay off quite immediately is is going to be really reassuring for for Lindy. And she’s always kind of been fighting for a card every single year. Like she’s been on tour, she’s been off tour, she went to Epson for a bit a few years ago. And so for her to have the result that she had and the way that she did it, the way she carried herself and that put on 18 in regulation, by the way, that birdie put was one of the coolest moments of the event because of her reaction and like the genuine emotion and the genuine like I’ve got a chance here, you know. Um, and she’s just a gritty player and I was probably I was actually as soon as she got herself in contention. I thought I don’t know you I just always want to fight for an underdog like Lindy, someone who’s just, you know, I could kind of resonate with a little bit. Yeah, well said. Um, I mean it was a weird major. There were no sort of none of the huge names were really in the mix. Okay. AR’s a two-time major champion, but that feels like almost a sort of different era ago. Yeah. Some majors you you get, look, let’s let’s call it what it is. Some majors can be a bit of a dud and until that playoff it kind of felt like it was a bit of a dud. Yeah. Um don’t say anything but like yeah I mean it’s the lack of crowd as doesn’t help the energy. Um I don’t know how they’re going to look it’s it was such a big event when it was at Mission Hills. It was such a stable in a in a schedule. Everyone knew what time of year it was. Everyone knew where it was. Everyone was very had a an emotional connection to it. even you know fans, players, everyone. This is going to take a time a little time to find its feet. I think um you know I the golf course has like potential to be like a a a good major and I think that being in Texas like people love golf in Texas and everything’s very big in Texas and so I can see it getting big. I can see it kind of it has potential to get big. Um but they basically need to get more people through the door. They need to find its own tradition. Like I’m not a big fan of them jumping in that pond. Like I think that’s weird that they’ve just like taken it like find something else. Like I don’t know come in I don’t know walk around in cowboy boots or something. Whatever it is like figure it out yourself. Find a new tradition find new identity for that event. But yeah I think um this is actually the first time I’ve always said the golf course was a bit m like and there’s nothing really stands out whereas I feel like it showed its teeth a little bit more this year. Um, and so I was a bit more of a fan of the potential of the golf course this year. I will say you talk about this tournament, this major championship having its own identity. And we have this debate in the men’s game quite often as well. The Masters is the Masters, the Open is the Open, the US Open, the toughest test of golf, blah blah blah. And people sort of debate what can you do with the PGA Championship to give it its USP. In women’s game, obviously there’s the PGA Championship, the US Open, the British Open, and the Evian. This one maybe feels a little bit like given over the last two decades the success of Asian golf in particular, could you see this one moving to Asia? Would that make sense? Never really thought about that, Jamie. Um, I think Well, I think the problem is as well, I I don’t know. Um, potentially, I mean, we’ve got such a global and diverse tour and we have such a market over there. I could definitely see potential there. But um the problem is as well in in my and this is literally just my opinion is that it’s not a stable name. Like we keep changing you know title sponsors which we have to do. I know that I’m you know I understand that. But it also like you lose the name. You’re like oh which one’s this again? Chevron like you know whereas before it’s like the dinosaur the craftabiscoco right? Everyone knew it as the craft Nabiscoco and then it kind of started to lose a bit when it went ANA. Everyone’s like, “What is that?” You know, and now Chevron like, you know, we have like uh you know, it used to be the LPJ championship, now it’s KPMG. KPMG is just starting now. Everyone kind of knows it’s the KPMG, you know, PJ Championship. Everyone’s it’s been there for a few years now. Then we’ve got the women’s, you know, the British Open, which is AIG now. So yeah, it’s our majors are quite difficult to kind of solidify themselves and identify themselves because we’re constantly having to change uh title sponsors um or we have done in the past few years. So I would love for title sponsor to be in it for the long run and actually really establish an identity and a name for that major. I think then it would help a lot uh with our major championships. Yeah, we’ll see what happens going forward. Um listeners of last week’s podcast will have noticed that Mel was incredibly downbeat about any European chances of winning this major championship. Man and Doy and Carlo Sagander were the best of the Europeans, both finishing a tie for ninth. And for Carlotte in particular, it just felt like she never really got anything going in that final round, but she was always there or thereabouts from Thursday until even, you know, approaching the back nine yesterday. Yeah. I mean, she loves that golf course. I mean, loves that. She finished 12th the first year, sixth last year. Um, and then she’s had another top 10 this year. She’s like I don’t know what it is about that golf ball. She just hits the ball so well around there. Um, yeah. I’ve actually thought she would have I thought she was going to go a little bit lower on Sunday. I thought she was going to just press the leaders just a little bit more than she than she did. It’s kind of Colos’s fault that she gets herself in great positions and never really then kind of puts in that 68 that 69 when she needs to. But look, another great result. I I mean, the only thing that I think will hold her back of winning that tournament on that golf course is literally time. Um, you know, she’s getting to the ripod age of 35, 36 now. And so, you know, you see how long she wants to play. I mean, if she wants to play till she’s 50, then she absolutely can because she’s still fit as a fiddle. But she, if she could just if she was 25, I would guarantee you that she would win that event. Like, 100%. Like, she’s just so solid on that golf course. I’m not sure many of us would have predicted a mis cut for Charlie Hull given just how incredibly consistent she’s been all season. Yeah, I mean it’s just it’s golf, isn’t it? I think that you just, you know, it’s very tough in a major and especially on a major golf course like that because if you have one bad round, it’s really difficult to to to kind of whacking under five under. You kind of saw that throughout the week. It was just difficult to get any momentum going. Um so yeah, I think you know she won’t be too disheartened about that. she got, you know, fresh week this week. Um, so yeah, I would just just count it as just, you know, just not enough puts dropped, bad shot here and there, but I wouldn’t I wouldn’t think she’s looking too much into it. And just finally on the chevron to your point about difficult to recover from a bad first round. Nelly Cer with an opening 77, which I don’t think anybody saw coming either, changed her putter after the first round, did very well to make the weekend and incredibly ended up in a tie for 14th, but in her own words is without her best stuff at the moment. Yeah, we were a little bit shocked that first round, but she does have a tendency to do that. Um, you obviously saw the US swimmers open last year with that 10 on her third hole and then she did it again at KPMG um last year at Sahari. She had a great first round. I think she was tied for second going into Friday and shot like 80 and missed the cut. So, she has a tendency to kind of shoot these big numbers in majors. I think it’s, excuse me, I think this week in a way that’s actually going to take quite a lot from it because she could have quite easily not come back on Friday and like had that fight. Um, you know, I feel like when you have a high round like that, um, she could have probably been like, “Oh, here we go again.” Like, “Here we go. I need to get rid of these demons on on majors.” But she didn’t. She came back and she, you know, she fought her ass off to be fair to her. And then she she actually played pretty decent throughout the whole week. But again, it was just diffic she was just way too far back in my opinion after, you know, the first two days to kind of give it a real a real shot at contending. But I think she’s actually going to take a lot of positive the way that she played on Friday afternoon, especially coming down the stretch. I was it was a kind of like Nelly of old. Um kind of the unbeatable Nelly. But yeah, I mean she’s her stats this year. I mean she’s number one in the scoring average this year. So, she’s just not winning, but she’s doing everything else pretty well. Yeah. Um, so it it will literally a matter of time before she starts kind of knocking off trophies again. Yeah, absolutely. That’s the Chevron wrapped up. One other thing, just discussing, I’m conscious of the time. I need to let you go. But literally within minutes of us speaking last week, it was announced that you were a soul cup vice captain as well. And you texted me and said, “Yeah, sorry. I didn’t know if I was allowed to tell you that.” Yeah. So, so you will be part of the team at Bernardis in the Netherlands next year, which I think every European fan is delighted to see because you are the life and soul of that team, Rim. I’m sure that was a very easy yes when Yeah, of course it was. In any capacity they want me, I I’m more than happy to do it and it’s just Yeah, you know, I live for that stuff, Jamie. So, yeah, it was an honor to be asked and very easy. Obviously, every time I get asked to do something like that is a very easy yes. So, I’m really looking forward to it and um yeah, try and get that trophy back. We got to win that trophy back. We’ve got No, it’s actually Yeah, we actually have to. Yeah, we actually have to. Have to. Well, h thank you so much for this week and for last week uh going above and beyond and a massive three points for Derby County at the weekend as well. I know. It was two wings in a year. I can’t believe it. There you go. Exactly. Survival in reach. We’re going to let you go. Uh thank you very much for your time and we shall take another quick break there. Welcome back to the Sky Sports Golf podcast presented by Callaway. Now to a chat at a few days ago with the US Open champion of two years ago, Wend Clark. You’ll remember that dramatic final day at Los Angeles Country Club where Rory Mroy just couldn’t buy a putt. Windham made some incredible up and downs. Just one of the gutsiest final rounds you’ll see in a major championship. We chatted about that, of course, the fact that the very next major will be played at the scene of his very first PGA Tour victory, Quail Hollow, and about how important it’s been for him to speak out about mental health. I dare to say, we’re now joined by the 2023 US Open champion, Wend Clark. Windham, thanks for taking the time to chat to us today. How are you doing? I’m doing good. Thanks for having me on. No, not at all. Thank you for for coming on. Um, lots to discuss with you, but I wanted to start actually by discussing uh the inaugural TGL because without wishing to flatter you too much, you were the star of the series for me because this thing relies on players leaning into it, showing their personalities, and in terms of getting under the skin of the oppo in the nicest way possible, getting the crowd going. I think the viewers got to know the real wind and Clark. Yeah. Well, thanks for saying that. Yeah, it’s um, you know, TGE, none of us knew what it was going to be going into it. Obviously they tell us and show us things and you didn’t know what to expect and after that first night I know Shane Lud and Minu and myself we all were like that was so much fun and it was so cool and we really bought into it. We loved it you know I it’s the I guess the only regret we have is the fact that we didn’t win win win it and make it at least to the finals. That’s probably our only regret. But other than that, it was uh it’s an amazing experience and and truly so much fun. And and like you said, I it you kind of let your uh your you know, charisma and and and people know kind of like, hey, this is what I am really like away from the golf course. I like to chirp. I like to have fun. I love to lap. And you know, sometimes on the golf course it’s so serious and you’re doing your job. So TGL was a nice reprieve from the normal day-to-day golf. With you guys in particular, it really shown through how much fun you were having. How how nice was it to get to know Ludvig and Shane and Minnie that little bit better? It was awesome. You know, I we had the most diverse team. We we had only one one American, couple Europeans, guy from Australia. So, on paper, it doesn’t look like we should be close, but because we traveled together and we spent so much time together, we really did grow uh closer and you got to know each other’s personalities. And, you know, Shane and I really clicked. Uh we had a lot of fun together both on and off um playing each uh TGL and normal events. And then you know just just learning that you know Lud looks like he’s a robot but he has a lot of person personality to him and and then same with Boozy. You know obviously you see him via social media but he’s a really fun cab behind the scenes well and and we just joke we we had a great camaraderie. I think our games matched really well. Um, so like I said, it it was a 10 for me. I thought it was amazing. It just unfortunately we didn’t we didn’t take it all the way and win the thing. There’s always next year. Look, the majors come thick and fast now. And obviously just around the corner, PJ Championship at Quail Hollow, which I imagine will always be a place a special place in your heart. Yeah. Yeah, I’m looking forward to it. You know, it’s Quail is a very challenging amazing golf course and having my first PJ tour win there is Yeah. very very dear to my heart. Uh you know, it’s it’s nice that um I get a major at a place that I’ve had success at. So, I’m really hoping I get some of those vibes. And, you know, the biggest thing for me is not necessarily courses for horses. I’m it’s all where my game is at. And I feel like my game’s trending in the right direction. And so, I just really hope I have my game that week because I I know that golf course does walk. Quite a big theme over these last few weeks has been, you know, just how much pressure is released from players when they achieve something. Obviously Rory at the Masters and how much that will free him up and Justin Thomas, you know, three years between wins and and just what could this do for JT now winning at Heritage for you looking back at LACC? What did it do for you just in terms of self-belief, in terms of confidence? Uh, well, there’s two two main things. I I think winning at Quail was the bigger stress of anything to be honest. Uh just getting that that weight off my shoulders of finally breaking through and getting my first PJ tour win. So that that was probably the biggest one. And then winning at LACC more just proved that hey, I’m I can be one of the best players in the world. I know I’m one of the best players in the world. And then I went out and showed that I I was and so that was more of a huge confidence build rather than pressure relief. Um, so you know, golf, especially at this level, there is a lot of that. It’s whether you’re trying to break through for your first win, whether you’re trying to get your first major, or you’re trying to do what Rory did and and have a grand slam, there’s always pressure depending on who you are. And it’s just at different levels. And so when you finally fulfill that and win and do it, it’s it’s a massive weight off your shoulders. And just all that hard work and, you know, blood, sweat, tears, it just all comes together. And you saw it perfectly with Rory, you know, winning that on on Sunday. Jack Nicholas always used to say he found majors the easiest tournaments to win. And he said that because he’d arrived there knowing half the players in the field didn’t think they could win them. Now obviously times have changed and talent is that much deeper now. But before LACC, did you arrive at majors thinking you could win or did that unlock at all for you? I I would say that I probably thought I could win, but I didn’t know I could win, if that makes sense. So, you know, it’s like, hey, our game’s good enough. People have always said, hey, you have a game to win major championships and but yet you hadn’t done it and I hadn’t done I hadn’t won enough on the PJ tour to experience and and know, hey, I can really win. But I thought, hey, you know what? My game’s good enough. I I just want to quail against basically the same field so I can do it. So for sure I mean it unlocks a lot of things knowing hey if I ever get in situation like that again I I know I can lean on those moments that were tough and say I I can get this up and down or I can make this putt to keep it going and and ultimately you know I’m hoping that’s one of many majors for me or big tournaments that I win. Yeah. And we all know that this sport probably more than any other sport is played between the ears and it can it can beat you up. It can be horrible and you’ve been extremely open about the struggles that you’ve had at times and I think more sports people are are doing that but it’s still a very brave thing to do. Why was it important for you to to open up about the difficulties you’ve had? I think I think it’s uh one it’s authentic. I think it’s just it’s well it’s it’s who I am and I think it’s better for me to get that out and you know two I think it helps people to be authentic and real and vulnerable because they go you know what I struggle with things too and I think if they see let’s say players or athletes at a certain caliber having the same struggles then it maybe helps someone in what they’re doing going hey if he’s struggling too then I can relate to him and and and something I say can help And then, you know, it’s part of my story. You know, I’ve I dealt with a lot of adversity and then overcoming that and working on the mental game because I’ve kind of always had the physical side of it. And so, finally really ch, you know, working on the mental side is part of my story of saying, hey, this is a huge thing. And maybe some people get it easier than others, but I struggled in that area. and to go work really hard to pay someone to help me and spend all that time meditating, breathing, visualizing, writing stuff down, journaling, and and and overcoming all of that is is is my story. And so I thought, you know what? I might as well tell people what helped me get to where I am. And and the greatest thing is all the things that have come from that because I’ve had people come up to me and say, “Man, what you said in this or that really helped me or inspired me to go get help and and that’s what makes it really cool.” You know, winning tournaments is amazing and and the money we make is amazing, but if I can help influence people’s lives, that’s that’s more important to me. I think that’s so well said. And you talk about being relatable. I think that is part of the reason why people find Rory such an engaging person because he is human, he is vulnerable, he is so giving with himself. As a golf fan, I know he’s a competitor of yours, but as a golf fan, can you appreciate just how special it was seeing him join what is an extremely exclusive club? Oh, yeah. I mean, he it’s funny actually. I played with uh Fitzy on what was it Sunday? No, sat Saturday or Sunday. Saturday. and we were talking about that that uh he has a a category. He goes when someone gets their fifth major they’re kind of in the upper echelon like they’re the highest of high and he goes so it’ be interesting to see if Rory does it and so we kind of were talking about it and it’s it honestly is amazing. I mean, we had Tiger Woods and what Rory’s done in the absence of Tiger has been amazing. And obviously now Scotty, it’s it’s amazing to be part of that. And, you know, I I’m hoping I can I can put my name in some of those lists and maybe getting a few more majors. But to witness what he’s done, I mean, look at George Piece, an amazing player. He hasn’t done that yet. Justin Thomas, there’s a lot of guys that have not won the Grand Slam. and uh Phil Nicholson. I mean, it’s so it’s amazing what he’s done. And you know, the way he did it, you know, back to the nentle side, battling adversity. I mean, I thought when he missed that putt, I was like, “Oh, no.” And to come back and drive, hit a great drive and then stuff it and and win. It’s it’s it’s amazing. And you saw the emotions come out. It was uh you know, I don’t normally watch golf, but I watched I watched those last few holes for sure. Yeah, it was it was emotional for all of us there. um especially Northern Irishman. I can tell you that much. Um I just want to finish, you’ve been incredibly generous with your time, but I want to finish by talking about a little event taking place in Long Island in September. And just how much is being part of a home rider cup team? Where is it on on Windham Clark’s list of goals for this year? Um yeah, I mean it’s probably the probably one of the highest. I I’ve been fortunate enough to be part of Team USA for three events now. President’s Cup, Olympics, and and RDER Cup, but none of them have been played on US soil, and none of them have I heard people really cheering for me. It’s been more booze and stuff against me. So, I really want to have that experience. Um, I really love our captain and Keegan Bradley. He and I are pretty good buds and and so I’m just happy for him and I just I think he’s going to do an amazing job. So, I’m I’m hoping I’m one of the the 12 guys. Obviously, as of right now, I probably got to play a better golf to earn my spot. Um, but I’m hoping I’m hoping I make it. I mean, it’s it’s truly outside of me trying to win another major and and win the tour championship, the RDER Cup is is right there on making that team and and winning the RDER Cup because is is Rome a kind of bittersweet memory for you? Obviously, it’s amazing being part of a Ryder Cup. You make friendships for life, but at the same time, you’re on a losing side in Rome. And I suppose on the Sunday, you’re the 12th match out in the course as well, so you must have felt like barely anybody was watching you and the RDER Cup was being decided elsewhere. Yeah, that I was really bummed that I was a 12th guy. I mean, I some people say, you know, it’s I don’t know. I mean, because yes, it could ultimately come down to my match and if we had a chance to come back, it would have. But I also knew if things didn’t go well, no one’s watching me and then it doesn’t matter. And then and then it was exactly what happened. We had four or five holes to play. We had a good match going, Bob and I, and it was even and then it’s like, well, shoot, we just lost. Like what? And that’s that’s what’s unfortunate. The one thing that I I dislike about the RDER Cup is that there’s individual records. Like I I don’t think that should be kept. I think it’s all about if you win or you don’t. and and and that’s the great example of that because it’s like it’s a team thing. Who cares about the individual part? But uh that’s just me, you know, going on a rant. But uh yeah, I it is it is it was very it was a very left a very sour taste in my mouth losing and I I want I want revenge and it would be really fun to come home and kind of give put up put a beat down like they did on us on home soil as well. Well, look, we’ve seen what you like at a TGL, so we can imagine what you won’t be like at a Home Rider Cup. And I think we’re all we all know that that New York crowd is going to be pretty tasty, isn’t it? Oh, man. I I hope they’re uh I hope they’re tasty is what you said. Not too too much, you know? I That’s the diplomatic way of saying it. Yeah. I hope they’re uh I hope they’re fair. I mean, obviously, I want them to give us the homecourt advantage, but uh I don’t want them to cross, you know, step over some lines. But who knows? It’s New York and they have uh those fans are they’re they’re harsh. They might even be harsh to us if if we don’t perform. That’s it. They they they turn on their own, don’t they? Those New Yorkers. Yeah, 100%. Listen, Windom, thanks so much for your time. We hope we see you in New York in September. And best luck for the rest of the majors and for Quail Hollow just around the corner. Awesome. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Yes. Thank you to Windham. Really enjoyed that chat. Just a very nice man is Windom. H on the PJ tour this week. It’s the CJ Cup. Baron Nelson at TPC Craig Ranch. Both Hoygard twins head straight from New Orleans to Texas for this. Only two of the world’s top 35 in the field here. They are the world number 20 Sunjim and the world number one Scotty Sheffler sticks out like a sore thumb in this field this week, but it is on his doorstep just a few miles north of Dallas. The DP World Tour have a week off after the conclusion of the Asian swing before the Turkish Airlines open next week kicks off the European swing. despite that tournament very much being played in Asia. But hey ho. And on the LPJ tour, it’s the Black Desert Championship in Utah. Charlie Hull in the field hoping to bounce back from missing the cut at the chevron. Mao Saigo there too, fresh off becoming a major champion. But that about does us for today. A huge thank you to all my guests this week. To Rob Lee, to Mel Reed again, and to Wind Clark. If you’ve liked what you’ve heard or watched today, make sure to give us a follow on Apple or Spotify, wherever you get your pods. 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