In this episode of the Hold The Green Podcast, Steve and Capper dive into an in-depth preview of the 2025 PGA Championship at Quail Hollow. Steve shares insights into the course setup, including its agronomy and how the previous renovations and overseeding may impact play this year. He breaks down how the 2017 PGA Championship played out and compares it to the more recent Wells Fargo events held at the same venue. The hosts emphasize the importance of driving distance and analyze top contenders like Scotty Scheffler, Rory McIlroy, and Bryson DeChambeau while crossing out others like Jon Rahm and Justin Thomas. The episode concludes with a brief game where they determine whether various golfers have a legitimate chance of winning based on their skills and the course setup.
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00:00 Introduction and Sponsor Message
00:27 Podcast Hosts and Initial Banter
00:36 Golf Betting Insights and Player Discussions
01:04 Shorty’s Golf Partnership Announcement
01:47 Technical Difficulties and Weekend Recap
02:06 Truist Tournament Recap
03:18 Justin Thomas Performance Analysis
04:29 Predictable Player Performances
06:59 Course Conditions and Tournament Setup
09:13 Quail Hollow Course Breakdown
16:19 2017 PGA Championship Recap
22:34 Course Agronomy and Weather Impact
This episode of Inside Golf Podcast is brought to you by Inside Sports Network. What’s up everybody? It’s uh your boy Boston Capital Steve on the Hold the Green podcast. All right, we are live. Tap in Birdie. All right, Carson Young is here. I bet love at 28. Let’s go. I bet I bet him at 25. Low sevens. I think there’s some guys in here we like. Harris English at 7,300. I love Brian Harmon at 3 and a half% this week. What’s up, guys? It’s producer Cam here. Isn is now partnered with Shortys Golf. Shorties Golf is designed to provide kids with the perfect introduction to the game of golf by offering highquality clubs and equipment specifically tailored to their need. They offer custom sizes for various age groups, ensuring that the kids have clubs that are tailored to their height and strength. They feature fun, vibrant colors, and lightweight standbags that are easily adjustable. Each set features real stainless steel clubs, high-quality materials, and sturdy construction, making them long lasting while providing a real golf experience. So, go check them out. Golfshorties.com. Use isn15 at checkout for $15 off your purchase. You’re on mute, dude. I thought I thought I clicked it. The uh What’s up, everybody? It’s your boy Capper with Twitter Steve for a little truest recap and PGA Championship preview. Uh I just saw Dave in the chat. I don’t get it. I think he’s trolling you. But uh what’s up, man? You had a busy weekend. Birthday, Mother’s Day. We’re both dragging ass. So, uh so how you feeling, man? Yeah, I could tell. I mean, you started the show by going on mute, so we’re definitely off to a uh a ripar start for uh this preview here. No, I’ll explain that later. Uh Dave took it upon himself to try and be helpful and ended up giving a subscriber a horribly inaccurate answer because he found it on uh the internet and apparently that’s what that said and you just got to believe everything you read on the internet. No. Uh yes, I am tired. Uh yesterday was my birthday and then today was Mother’s Day. That is a very jam-packed um weekend. And considering I’m, you know, almost 40, I’m 39 with two young kids, uh there was a lot to do this weekend. I’m tired, but I’m I guess kind of excited to talk about Quail Hollow in the PGA. I mean, we’ll talk about why it’s a little downer, I think, you know, as far as like the venue and like this preview and, you know, trying to share like what we know about it, but uh no, I mean, we we had a very exciting tournament today with the truest. Uh I’m glad you’re here. I’m glad you didn’t have a heart attack. Uh can you do you want to get anything off your chest about um Justin Thomas? Uh yeah, I mean he’s just I just don’t understand him. Like like I texted you as soon as he got on the back nine, his driver started getting wonky again. It’s like as soon as he gets in contention, he goes left. He clubs down and ends up missing the fairway. There is nothing I hate more than a golfer I have money on clubbing down and and not hitting the fairway. It’s inexcusable. You’re a professional golfer. Like you’re taking a [ __ ] iron or a 3-wood off the box and you missed 60 ft left. That’s me. That’s not you. And then that bunny putt he missed. What really [ __ ] makes me mad is because he’s been putting so well. I was cooking and I saw what putt he had left. So I turned around and started doing some [ __ ] on the stove and I heard the crowd groan and I turned around. I was like, “Motherfucker.” I was like, “My mother-in-law, my mother is sitting at the table.” And they’re like, “What?” I was like, “Sorry, my guy missed a putt.” Uh, and he’s just I I I just don’t I don’t understand like how does he miss that putt? He putts so well all day, misses that putt. Uh, somehow uh gets up and down on the 18 and maybe that would have put more pressure on Straa because he knew he only had to putt cuz uh poor [ __ ] Shane Lowry turned into Sunday Shane Lowry per [ __ ] usual. Um, is there anything more more like just set your [ __ ] watch to it than Keith Mitchell and Shane Lowry melting on a Sunday? Like it is it is the easiest thing to [ __ ] fade on a Sunday. Keith Mitchell disappears. That’s I that’s why I was so mad. I think I texted you last night. I was like, “God damn it.” The last person I wanted on with JT was [ __ ] Keith. Like I didn’t want all his bad juju getting all over my guy. like like he I I don’t he needs to be like a an actual like a case study. Like somebody needs to get inside of that brain and figure out on Sunday there’s no one worse than Keith Mitchell ever. Like he is he’s the worst. But anyway, [ __ ] JT. He’s like listen I between my two weenies last week between Moroc and JT. I picked uh the weenie who [ __ ] finished second. Who cares? A solo second would have been nice for uh one and done. him in like the top 115 in the big one and done which is which is nice but it certainly could have been good and everybody in their mother’s going to play Bryson next week so I don’t [ __ ] know. Yeah, he just I mean man that [ __ ] that formula would have been real nice and and those two guys just were leaving the door wide open for him all [ __ ] day and JT couldn’t do anything. [ __ ] par what [ __ ] five the first five on the back nine before the par five. So gross. So gross. Yeah. I mean, the back nine was playing over par. Like, that was the challenge this week was the back nine. I know you don’t care. I know you don’t care. So, all right. Well, that was cathartic. I’m glad that uh you kept your composure through most of that. Yeah, I was a lot angrier like [ __ ] four or five hours ago. Yeah. Did you bet? Did you bet JT or was it just one and done? Yeah, I bet JT right. Okay. All right. So, there you go. There there’s your angst there. So, um, yeah, Shane Lowry doing the typical three putt today, like on 18, like it wouldn’t have mattered anyways. He was going to lose, but to just gift wrapped it to Septra at that point. Um, not great. Uh Keith Mitchell by the way. Um so on Saturday I was doing dishes and it was my birthday so I was kind of um you know like humming happy birthday and I I watched Keith Mitchell on the TV and I started to sing uh you know Keith Mitchell’s a [ __ ] loser you know like birthday and then as soon as I got to like the crescendo of that song he missed that two-footer that lipped out. I’m like oh my god exactly makes sense. So, no, it it is very predictable that Keith Mitchell melted on. The one thing I’m going to take away from this event is if they ever go back to Philly cricket, which you know what? Um, it was going to play very easy on Thursday because there was no wind, it was pillow soft. Um, I was happy that we ended up getting the conditions we got on Saturday. Now, look, the fact that it still barely played over par and you had a 15 to 30 mph wind. I’ve been doing tracking golf courses for seven years. I can’t remember a golf course playing that easy in those conditions of playing barely over par when you get that significant win, but it firmed up and it it did present a little bit of a challenge. Not really today. I played about like I think like 08 underpar today. Yeah, I didn’t check the final score, but um I would like to see this golf course again in like August. Um when it’s not the spring, when you’re Yeah. a little more burnt out, a little more firm when you don’t have a bunch of rain in the forecast. I would like that because then maybe we can get like an Olympia field style. Like remember that 2020 BMW that played like super firm and windy? Yeah. And the rough was like really grown up and like banked out and crisp like love it. I I feel like we could get a similar tournament to that if it was played later on the year. So I wouldn’t mind seeing again. I thought the golf course is great. I thought the greens were very interesting. Yeah, but it played out about how I expected. A lot of guys hit short irons from fairways and you know, even though I didn’t get the outright, I hit four or five positionals because I took those types of guys and ended up working out pretty good. You know, unfortunately, I bet only top 20 on Seth Straa, not the outright is what it is. That’s a Steve Shmer special. We’re back here. That is That is a Steve Shmer special. It is. But no, I I I was happy to see this golf course. Um and now we get to go to a new or not a new golf course, we get to go to a major championship venue that we’ve seen over and over and over. uh kind of a quail hollow. So um but it’s gonna be different, right? Well, do you do you want to just get into it? Yeah, let’s get into it, man. Whatever. Like the the truest is what it is. Like whatever. We’re all waiting for this week and I’m afraid that like we said kind of off the jump. I’m afraid there’s going to be like six guys who can win and it’s going to be wamp wamp. Yeah. So, all right, let’s do the PJ Championship 2025 preview. Uh this is going back to Quail Hollow Golf Club. Uh George Cobb original uh design that has been renovated by Tom Fazio a lot through the years. Um most not we’ll we’ll get to the timeline um later. I I’ll just say this at the front of the show. I wouldn’t think this was going to be the most difficult preview I’ve ever put together for everybody, but it actually was because at least with at least with other venues either like a it’s the Masters, I just love talking about it. I can talk about that for hours even though it’s the same golf course over and over and over. But then you also usually have different venues um you know with that we would go to that we haven’t seen before. We haven’t seen in like you know 10 years. That would be the first time I actually would present this on the show. So, that’s a lot of new material to go over. This is a golf course that we have seen every single year. Yep. That I’ll get to in a little bit plays very similar to the three styles that we will see and have seen uh this week. So, and also too, I’m not the only person that does golf course breakdowns. We also have Andy Lack, uh, who does all his stuff, and I haven’t listened to any of his shows because I don’t want to be biased, but I can imagine that him and I would just get on here and basically say the same exact things over and over about this place. So, I think my goal tonight is to look back at the 2017 PGA because there are some things that we will be able to take from that PGA and apply it to 2025 and there are some things we’re going to have to leave behind in 2017. There’s also going to be things that we can take from the 2024 usual Wells Fargo like the Wells Fargo Championships that we’ve seen here. and there’s some things we’re gonna have to leave behind there. So, that’s my goal tonight is to try and tell you guys the similarities and differences in between this PGA Championship and the 2017 PJ Championship that we just saw there, what you can take away and what you can leave behind and similarities in the Wells Fargo to try and give you an idea about how this one’s going to play. And I’m just going to spoil it for you guys. It’s going to be probably pretty similar to what you usually expect, but there’s some key differences that we’ll go over. So, let me ask you from the jump, Boston Capper, high level, like if you were going to describe this place and what works at Quail Hollow, what would you say? Bomb it and putt it. Okay. All right. You just guess my next slide. Instead of doing a hole by hole breakdown of Quail Hollow, a golf course you have seen over and over, let me just show you the first hole because this basically explains every single par four and most parfs of this golf course. Um, here we have the opening hole here. This was actually renovated ahead of the 2017 PGA. The green actually used to be over here and they pushed it back like 70 yards. This was a brand new green back in 2017. Sharp dog leg rights. You have bunkers all the way down the left side starting about 265 then 300 then 340 and then you have thick tall trees over on the left. Here’s the thing though, and why we think this is the bomber narrative that usually plays out here is you can see guys who can carry at 300 yards, take it all the way over this tree line here and get to about this spot in the fairway, have it roll out a little bit, and even though this hole is going to play 505, you know, pretty stout on the scorecard, they usually have maybe like 150, 160 yards into the green if you can carry it 300 yards over this entire tree line. Yep. And this plays out pretty much over and over and over on most holes on this golf course. Either you can take it over dog legs, you can cut corners, or you just take all these bunkers that are like, you know, 300 to 310 out of play. Like if you remember last year with Rory Maroy in the final round as he was just crapping all over Xander and we were basically solidifying our take that Xander sucks and he’ll never win a major championship or never win anything big again. And then the next week he stuffed us all in a locker. That was me at least. Um but everybody everybody except for like a handful of guys who never jumped off. Like that was the that was the point where even people who were riding Xander were finally [ __ ] over it. Right. Well, that last year they moved the T- box back 25 yards to make it like a 320 yard carry over that bunker, which you know would pose problems to most of the field, but you had had Rory Maroy step up and clear it easily and he had I think like 140 yards into the hole. It’s like 530 on the scorecard. He had like 140 yards in. Yeah. Like that’s just what you see at this place is if you have big carry distances, most of the trouble that would cause angst for like 90 to 95% of the golfers in this field, you get a big bomber like that or a guy can carry it a lot farther and he can take a lot of that stuff out of play. So do you hate this course more or Riv? I don’t Rivier in your voice. Here’s here’s the thing. I I don’t hate I don’t hate this course. I don’t like that this is a course we see over and over and we have to see for a major championship. I don’t understand why that it’s in the rotation. I don’t hate this golf course though. Like is it the most interesting? Absolutely not. Um, but it poses a stern test for these guys and it does have elements in it that does that can stand up to modern technology and just the modern golfer. So, I don’t hate it. You know, it’s a great piece of property. The members take a lot of pride in this place. Um, you know, it’s like last year aside, like yes, you had like a couple guys get to like really deep under par, but for the most part, like most guys are in the single digits under par, usually plays overpar. Like I don’t hate this golf course. It just I I like the idea of we see it every it’s it’s like with Pebble. Like anytime they bring Pebble back to for the US Open or Tory Pines, which we’re never going to see at a US Open again, it’s like what else do I really need to see that I haven’t seen at this place, you know, every single year for a major championship? Cuz there’s a couple things they’ve done to change it from a regular Wells Fargo, but a lot of the setup is going to be pretty similar. So, okay. Um, so the next slide here, I guess where we should start off is a refresher of what happened in 2017 that PGA. Let me ask you, how much do you remember of this ter like were you really watching golf and gamut on golf back in 2017? No. Okay. Like so this was even preme before I started writing and bringing up golf courses. This was uh the summer of 2017 and I started actually working at SGPN in that fall. Um but I I was betting on golf a lot more casually back then than I I am now. Um but this leaderboard like you look at this like you just said like all right Bomber City you know all that stuff. Look at the guys in this leaderboard. Just eight under Louis Us in six under. Franchesco Malini, Patrick Reed, Ricky Fowler, Hideki Matsyama, who Hideki probably should have won this thing by the way. Like he had the lead in the back nine and he completely blew it. Kevin Ker like look at this leaderboard. Kevin Ker, Graham Dlette, Chris Straoud, Jason Day, which is he’s won a couple times here. Matt Cooer, Jordan Smith. Jordan Smith. The English Jordan Smith. Yeah, the English Jordan Smith. I been around that long. So just not what you would think of this place. Yeah. No, not at all. So the qu So you might I I hope I mean for betting it doesn’t matter. I don’t really care what other competitors and other gamblers think about this place as far as their narratives. Like in DFS is different. Like you want people to think that this is going to play out like this. Well, this is why this played out where it was more, you know, your shorter players, more accurate players, like just a different type of leader than what you would probably expect. Well, so this was full Bermuda. Okay. It also had completely brand new greens, right? I mentioned the renovation that Tom Fazio did. all new greens, new holes. And what ended up playing out was the greens were so firm and so severe that if you weren’t in the fairway, if you were in the rough and it had two and a quarter inch common Bermuda, which is pretty difficult to hit out of, you had pretty much no you had no chance of getting the ball close to the pin and you had very little chance of actually keeping the ball on the playing surface. it just would go well off. So there was at least compared to other PGA championships a lot more of a premium to hitting fairways and that was more a contributor towards your total short game off the tea that week and that’s kind of why we saw this Libra. Yes, Justin Thomas hit 50% of his fairways but like the Malinaris like Kevin freaking Kizner like Coocher like you wouldn’t expect it like a 7 600 yard quail hollow. No. And this is what would play out. I mean, you also saw like I mean, this makes sense from a standpoint of like, okay, like your Bermuda guys like your Kzner, your coochers, like Chris Straoud, like guys who typically do well on that surface. They also appeared here, too, because it was difficult to putt on these fast Bermuda surfaces. So, there was a lot of complaints about the setup back here in 2017 between the two severe green speeds, uh, the two severe undulations of the greens and just the fact that they were their greens were so firm and difficult that like it it didn’t make a lot of the players happy, especially in the hole number four, which is the new par three that had a 44% greener regulation rate back then. It just posed problems, right? So that’s how this leaderboard kind of played out. So what I did for you guys and we’re going to spend a lot of time on this slide here is like just like the general specs of Quail Hollow. What they were in 2017, what they were like last year for 2024 and then what we’re going to see this year for 2025. So par 71s all around, no change there. Yardage um about the same about 7,600 yards. a little shorter for a Wells Fargo 7558 7600 yards in 2017 7626 what did they you know so like I mean when you took it which I mean we’re talking like 70 yards right basically between between that so 2024 and 2025 is that just par three moving T boxes around basically yeah I I think there’s a couple par threes that they moved back uh they for this year they also added T box on hole number nine to lengthen it the 530 yards so um but Yeah, similar yardages. So, you’re not dealing with anything really crazy. Like even 2017, it was 7,600 yards. So, we’re dealing essentially the same yardage golf course you saw back then. So, very similar there. What they did do before the 2024 tournament, which we’ll get to in a little bit, we’ll see in some of the stats and how that played out, was they wanted to soften the greens. And what I mean by soften is take a lot of some of the severe undulation out of some of these greens. So they actually rebuilt 12 greens last year to take some of the severe contours out of it. When you say built, when you when you say rebuilt, is that is I mean it’s not like they’re going to be hitting on concrete now, right? They just basically shaved them. No. Well, back back then like last year it actually had a ve a much higher green regulation miss and it was a harder to hit approach shots and it’s because the greens were a lot firmer last year. So the goal of that though and we actually speculated last year when we did our Wells Fargo preview why they did it and it actually played out this way was they wanted to do two things. One make it less severe so they could have more difficult pin positions because just when you had these really fast severe undulating greens you just there’s only certain place you can put pins. There were pin positions they thought would be more challenging but they couldn’t do it because it was just on too severe of a slope. So they flatten it out in order to do it and they also could make it more suitable to faster green speeds without getting too out of control. Okay, so that’s why they did that renovation last year. Um, let’s get to aonomy because this is actually the biggest difference and we I talked about this back in December with Andy when I won the major majors preview. Sure, he’s talked about it this year, but 2017, as I mentioned, it was all Bermuda. Bermita fairways, champion Bermuda greens, common Bermuda rough. Um, 14 on the stint meter, that was way too fast for those greens. Very difficult to putt on. Yeah. So, um, but two and a quarter inch Bermuda, which actually for Bermuda, like you don’t usually see Bermuda more than three inches. So, and with how many how much long approach shots you had, how difficult the greens were, like two and a quarter was plenty long. Yeah. For that, you couldn’t control the ball out of the rough. No, your typical your typical Wells Fargo though, you got your overseed, which uh Boston Capper um Dave flunked this test spectacularly earlier to a uh a reader. So, I’m going to quiz you. What is over when you oversee a golf course, what do you do to it? What happens? You make You’re making it softer. What? You’re making it like softer. Like it’s like it’s easier to put on. Yeah, but like what? Okay. What is overseating? So, it’s it’s making the dormant grass. It’s mixing other grass types to go over their dormant grass so it will actually roll. Right. Thank you. Yes. It helps with aesthetics and playability. Essentially, Bermuda goes dormant. And I God, if you got made me all nervous, man. I was like, wait, hold on. If you got that wrong, this was the I was going to end the show right there. Okay. I’m like I I would just say, you know what, just go listen to Andy. We are done here. I don’t want to talk to you for another 45 minutes. No. When Bermuda goes dormant in colder temperatures, you put down a uh a strain of grass that can actually thrive and grow in it like a ry grass for the rough or poetry for greens or a bank grass too. And it’s more for aesthetics and playability in the cooler months. So, um, why it’s still kind of overseated when it’s miday in the south. Say it’s warm now. Well, that’s going to play into it for an aronomy fact I’ll have a little bit which I’m sure I’ll bore some people but it’s important. But this is usually overseated poet trivialis overseated greens which you see at like the TBC sawrass Inisbrook um you see it at Harbortown TBC Louisiana like there’s a lot of overseated greens that we see. You also had the overseated ryrass rough which actually is only 2 in. Um you think of this place as like big thick rough. Yeah. It’s really only two inch ryrass rough so it’s actually not all that long. Yeah. Um and then the polo tribial overseed uh for the greens you know at much slower greens but only 12 instant meter. So 2025 Rory won last year at per usual. Yeah, right. Yeah. Rory won this year. He won. He won in like 20 like 12ations. Yeah. Yeah. Like Rory’s won here a lot. I think Ricky’s won here. Uh Max has won here win. How long ago is he winning? Ricky won like I think this was 20 first win. I thought this was his first win was Quail like 2010 or something. I don’t know. I hate I hate looking at Ricky. I’m so glad he ejected so I didn’t have to watch him over the [ __ ] weekend. Those stupid glasses and his stupid hat. I don’t like him. All right. So then I got the specs because I for for the GCSA report this year that and I and I assumed two things coming in. one, it was going to be overseated just like last year, which it is. You got the pro trivialis overseed the fairway, you got the pro trivialis overseed on the greens. Um, the rough length though, and yes, it’s overseated, but usually when I think of a PGA championship, I think like 4 in ryrass. Okay. Like nice and long like your like your course. Yeah, like gnarly. Like Yeah, pretty much. The fact sheet only said two and three/4er inches. And that kind of threw me through a loop because we had actually been hearing reports of members saying or claiming that uh this is going to be really thick penal rough. Now, when I think thick penal rough, I think a little longer than that. Uh I think of rough that probably is not uh shorter than what you saw at TBC Craig Ranch a couple weeks ago. Uh that was three and a quarter. you know, kind of silly for us to go on our shows and try and promote thick penal rough when it’s only two and three/4ers. And I’ve actually heard some takes already this week looking at that number of saying, well, it’s a modest cut, so maybe some guys who might not have like the big length might be able to play out of it. Well, this vexed me for a couple days and I started going down a little bit of the rabbit hole and I finally reached out to somebody who I’m not going to say who his name is. I’m going to keep it anonymous, but he is a very high up person uh associated with this tournament that is in charge of course setup. Okay. And I asked him his direct this direct question. I said, “Hey, we’ve been hearing reports about really thick penal rough, but I got the GCSAA report and it’s only two and three/4er inches. Is that accurate? What’s the rough like?” And this is what he said. He said, quote, “We are and will continue to mow the rough at 2 and 3/4 in preceding championship play.” So, up until Wednesday night. Once the championship starts, I doubt we will be mowing the rough again. However, the decision to mow will not be made uh or to mow or not will be made by Carrie Heg, which you know, head of the PGA of America. So, he has a decision. Um it is my estimation the rough will grow an inch over the 4-day period from Thursday to Sunday while the competition is being contested. And yes, the rough is very thick but not very tall at the moment. So taking that is it’s going to start at two and three/4ers and as long as the PJ of America doesn’t freak out and let it continue to grow, it’s probably going to be closer to four by Sunday evening unless they decide to mow again. Right. There’s also which what can I ask you something just real quick before you get into is what would make Hey want to cut it down like players coming to him pitching like it’s too tough? maybe he doesn’t want to just make it just a two horse race. So, I would I would feel like based on how the PGA has has set themselves up over the last couple years, we’ve had some of the better majors at PGA and I think they like that, right? I would think they would like that. Um, so maybe he doesn’t bend to the players, right? Maybe he’s not he’s not spineless like Monahan. Yeah, I I I would hope not, but that’s that’s a question. Will they continue to top it at two and three quarters inches or will they let it grow? Um, okay. That’s a decision by him. It also sounds like too that if this was from somebody who typically sells up sets up a Wells Fargo uh at Quel Hollow, the fact that it starts at two, they let it grow out through the tournament. And that’s why maybe by the end of it, it gets a little bit more thicker. And then maybe that’s also explains why it has become kind of a twoman horse race the last couple years between Windham and Xander a couple years ago. Yep. Rory and Xander last year just you get these guys who may be a little shorter kind of compete towards the beginning but it’s a horse race the guys with the length end up winning at the end which I think is a key if you’re to set your betting card and make assumptions about this place but the the the other tidbit too like how the rough right now is currently very thick and penal well right now and this is actually similar last year is that like you said it’s warm the is starting to come up. Oh yeah. And they are saying I hate I hate putting on greens when the uh when the Bermuda is starting to come back. It’s I hate it. Yeah. So right now the greens and fairways are about 50/50 poet trivialis and um tiff eagle greens right now and like you’ve we’ve actually seen a we’ve seen this before where like we’ll look at some of the early season events they’re overseas like AMX and Scottsdale and they just look dark green. You see the mowing lines for the you know going back and forth like they look like little bars uh with the grain going back you know everything. But when we start seeing the overseed later on in the year, like in the southeast where it’s getting warmer, you start seeing more of the grain that you’re used to when you’re putting on Bermuda, like the light and dark shades of your putting into the grain or against the grain. Yep. You start seeing that come up. And we’re going to see that this week to the point, and I’ll get to a weather report later, is I think this Bermuda is really going to start popping up. I do. The rough right now is 9010, but because the Bermuda, and this is a real nerdy aronomy thing. This is why right now it’s really thick, is because the Bermuda is starting to come up. That is the other grass, right? Well, it doesn’t overtake it. It just takes up more space because now you have the rye grass come up, but you also have Bermuda come up, too. It just becomes more thicker and dense at that point. So that can help you or hurt you like because it’s more dense, there’s more grass there, maybe the ball’s sitting up a little bit and it’s not as tall. That’s why maybe at the beginning of the tournament, maybe this rough is pretty playable for most people. But as it’s going to grow up through the tournament, if it gets close to four and I think a lot more of this burrito is going to start popping up to the point of like you saw sawrass a couple years ago where you could see the really dark patches of the ryrass and the light. Yeah, you’re gonna start, I think, seeing that here where it’s going to grow up and just be really thick and by the end of the tournament very very difficult to somebody who doesn’t have a very fast club head speed. That would be my take of all that. So yeah, so that was how I was able to square the low rough length with thick and penal. Okay. So, I don’t really have any concerns about that um in the tournament. Um and we’ll get to the weather as well. It’s going to be really wet uh at the beginning of the week. So, we’ll get to that later. So, that’s as far as green sizes. I don’t have the exact square footage back in 2017, but they haven’t really changed. So, I would say about 6,500 square feet. Like, they’re big, but they got even though they have soft in the greens, they are undulated. So, they are pretty difficult. and fairway wits. I didn’t notice anything different with the fairway wits in 2017 to now about 28 yards. So that’s that. So I guess let’s start looking at like how the 2017 PGA at Quail Hell played and how the last couple like Wells Fargo played off the tea. Like as far as like difficulty compared to other golf courses, you know, even though these are narrow fairways and that can prevent some challenges, there’s not a ton of like water hazards or like everything’s like just like all right, you’re looking straight out. You got a bunker. It it’s the degree of difficulty at least with the T-shots are not that high, right? um with the approach shots last year played significantly harder and I think that was because of the A you got new greens compared to the last year. B I think you had stroke hard. Holy [ __ ] Yeah. Well, it’s not half. Yeah. Um I think because they soften the greens, they were able to get different pins. So maybe a little trickier pins with the the more difficult or the more firmer greens that saw the green regulation rate go down. Yeah. So that’s where we saw that in 2017 it played pretty difficult too. Um I would expect it to be I mean about the same like it’s always been pretty difficult to approach shots. I think the fact that they probably can have more difficult pin positions with the new greens here may make it a little harder than was it was 2017. So, but still like we’re looking at, you know, usually difficult approach shots. They’re usually pretty long around the green played way harder in 2017 because that was all Bermuda. You had it play much easier in 2023. Now, that year that actually didn’t have the Bermuda starting to come up. Last year it did. you saw a increase in difficulty and also the greens were a little firmer too. So I would expect the around the green difficulty to play closer to last year uh than it would in 2023 or prior Wells Fargo. It’s not going to play probably as difficult as 2017 other than the fact that these are going to be faster green speeds. So maybe a little more difficult here, but the overseed will help a little bit um with that. And then as far as putting goes, you know, these are slower green speeds the last two years compared to 2017. I would expect with higher green speeds, it’ll be much more difficult to put on than your typical PJ tour setup. As far as miss fairway penalty go, there was in 2017, as I described, it was fourth most fair miss penalty for uh missing a fairway in 2017 PG championship. Last couple years, not as severe with the penalty. Um, I don’t expect it to be as difficult it was as it was in 2017. I would expect this miss fairway penalty to come up a little bit. Maybe meet maybe meet it about halfway uh as far as your score if you are in the fairway or not. Um, so I would expect that to come up. The rough penalty I would probably expect it to be a little more severe than the last couple as well because you are going to have I think some denser Bermuda. It’s going to be higher as well. It won’t be as severe as what it was in 2017 though. So, okay. probably again meeting me kind of like in the middle there. Proximity buckets um pretty much the exact same. It’s 2017 compared to last year. Yeah. What you’re seeing though is there’s less 225 yard shots because everybody’s just getting longer technology. Yeah. So like basically everything’s just kind of getting pushed up. But at the end of the day though, this is a primarily a test from over 175 yards. Uh it is 60% of your shots come from 175 or more. [ __ ] Okay. Yeah. So, and that was the same in 2017. So, that is something you take, you know, into this year as well. Um, going a little further with the round the green stuff. Again, it was way more difficult to get up and down from fairways in 2017 than a typical Wells Fargo because this was all Bermuda and it was faster green speeds. I would expect um, you know, with similar aronomy, but faster green speeds were kind of meeting in the middle again as far as the difficulty. Same thing with the rough too. Um it was a lot harder last year than typical Wells Fargo to get up and down from the rough because new greens I think and and you had more Bermuda in that rough as well. So probably similar last year. Um the around the green. Sorry, I’m not trying to cut you off, but I saw something in the last slide that we didn’t touch on. Bunkers got redone as well. They did. I mean it didn’t really nothing has really changed all that much far as like compared to other places. It’s been about average. So Yeah, it’s it’s mostly for me around the green. Yeah, around the green is mostly like an aronomy thing for me as far as there’s more going to be more Bermuda in this grass than what you would see a typical Wells Fargo, but TW it’s not 2017 though that was all Bermuda. So, the overseat does make it a little easier. So, and then putting I mean really difficult greens to putt on. Like I mentioned at the top of the show, they played they were way too fast in 2017, way too severe. Guys could not it was very difficult to putt on hold. Um you know, they had you have slower green speeds the last couple years, but you did see a little bit more difficulty putting um the last couple years than a usual Wells Fargo. I think because they use different pin positions to maybe make it a little more challenging uh while still playable. And also there was more Bermuda in these greens than 2023. So I would expect more of the same um this year, you know, with that as far as the difficulty. Okay. So about weather, as I mentioned, my least favorite golf conversation, by the way. I know. Well, this is important though because it’s going to impact how it plays. I know. I know. I know. There is an there there is an atmospheric river that you know how we see an atmospheric river that like in out west in the Pacific. Yeah, like that just dumps rain on like Pebble or Tory, whatever. Well, apparently that’s going to happen in the southeast. Yeah, it’s going to happen in the southeast. They’re getting Oh, I got some crazy weather alert for like uh Yeah, I just got some crazy weather today about like tornadoes coming through in the next couple days. Yeah, it’s going to be there’s going to be some rough weather in the southeast, but they’re apparently they’re going to get an inch of rain tomorrow. Yeah. Uh they’re rain overnight. Gonna get some more rain on Tuesday and Wednesday. So, it’s going to rain pretty much all the way through the beginning of the tournament. So, you are going to have a soaked golf course. Now, I want to mention though, back to the aronomy takes. I’m sorry I’m boring people with this, but this is kind of No, look, this listen, this is important. It really is. Yeah. So what hap so Bermuda can act as a natural vacuum for moisture because bermuda does absorb moisture quicker than your poet trivialis or the ryrass. So theoretically in the right conditions this would firm up and get dried out quicker than if it was just all overseed because that retains a lot more moisture. I would say I would say it is funny because like if you go out after rain down here and you play a different style of course it would you would think it would be puddled up and it’s not puddled up but when you hit the [ __ ] ball it’s like an explosion of [ __ ] moisture coming out of it like the grass like explodes. It’s crazy. Yeah. But bermita does suck up moisture a little more than a typical like you know ryrass what you would see. So that will help a little bit. Problem though is without sunshine and Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Gonna be mostly cloudy. [ __ ] And not a lot of wind. So there’s not Man, it gets hot on Friday though. That’ll help. Yeah. So there’s not a lot of conditions here to get more moisture out of this golf course other than the Bermuda just absorbing it. Which again, I’m going to go back to this Bermuda point. You’re going to see temperatures go way up, like high 80s, low 90s. You’re going to have Bermuda starting to absorb a lot more moisture from all that rain. You’re going to have overnight lows get to temperatures where it can still grow, like around 70. Like, this is why I think the Bermuda is really gonna pop up a lot more as the tournament goes on. And that’s going to make the rough, you know, as it gets taller much more thick, much more dense because Ramirez is going to go up and up. I think these greens are going to get grainier and grainier as tournament goes on. So that’s that’s something to keep in mind, too, is sometimes we look at these tournaments of we just want to look at overseas golf courses. You might want to also incorporate Bermuda Performance, I think. Okay. As well. Um, so how would you split that? How would you So, for all the all the model guys out there, how would you split how would you split it for the model? I mean, I would just I would just throw that in there. Like I would I would I would want to like say, “Okay, like I not only do I want the overseas courses, um maybe you throw out like AMX and Scottdale and some of the earlier season overseas that is not like the 50-50 mix that we’re going to see now. Maybe you just do Sawrass, Harbor Town, Inisbrook, um TBC Louisiana, the ones where Bermuda starts to kind of like seep in a little bit. Yep. Okay. And then maybe throw in some other Tiffagle Bermuda uh surfaces as well. You know, then there’s plenty of them that you can use. Those are Tiffle is very grainy. So, that might be a way to model for the putting this week is use those types of golf courses. Um, if you want to just go for aronomy. So, last thing though before we get to our game is, you know, I I’ve droned on a lot about grass types and what works in PJ and like how Qual is played and a lot of it just goes over your head. If you really just want to simplify it as far as just in general PJ Championships and what they reward the PG of America, the last least couple PJ championships, they’ve all played out pretty similarly as far as what was valued in the tournament and how you gain strokes on the field. And so this is the the the charts from Valhalla, Oak Hill, and Southern Hills last three years also. and then Quail Hollow back in 2017 as just like a comparison. And you can just see this was a tea to green test. Way more emphasis, way more ability to separate yourself off the tea than your typical PJ tour golf course. Off the tea, interament off the tea performance is more valued and it’s more driven by distance. This is heavily skewed with distance. Obviously, iron play is a lot more valued at a major championship setup with faster green speeds, more difficult pin positions, longer approach shots. That’s why you see that skill also valued a little more than your other setups. And around the green play, you know, I mean, more diffic faster greens, difficult pins, the ability to get up and down is more key. And that plays out basically all three of these tournaments. And putting just hasn’t mattered as much. Like it matters in the grand scheme of things, but it doesn’t matter any more than it does at regular PG tournament. Yeah. And in some cases, it’s actually a little less. Okay. So like you don’t putt your way to a PG championship. No, it matters and quail hollow back in 2017. The only thing I’ll say that will be different is here accuracy actually mattered more than distance that week. I’m going to expect that to go the other way because of the oh the economy conditions. Um and the fact that this is going to be a long wet golf course. Yeah. Um makes sense than what we saw back then. So, but if you just want to take like what’s kind of worked to the last PJ last couple PJ Championships and not focus so much on getting too much in the weeds about Coy Hollow, like it’s gonna be no freaking surprise at the end of the day. Okay. Far as like who you go for and what you value this week because they all kind of played out similarly. So, I know 2022 when Keegan was in it that was played somewhere else. So like 2021, 2020 like and I guess all the years other that aren’t posted here. Can we look to the leaderboards there and and look at the same profile type play or do you think it just doesn’t matter? I would think probably 20 Well, there was no Quail Hollow in 2020. 2020. So 2021. I would I would think 2021 actually is a decent one. Although that was way firmer. Actually, you know what? That might not be a great comp. Although the leaderboard kind of played out like Rory won, Keith Mitchell was in the mix. like it was basically your bombers. Bryson was in the mix. So, but that was firm and baked out. This is going to be soft and lush. So, I guess I guess my I guess my question is like so when you’re looking at like course history, right? One sometimes they’ll it’ll just be PGA, right? So, that course history doesn’t [ __ ] matter. But if you’re looking at like Quail Hollow course history, how much do you think that matters, I guess, would be my question. I I think it matters. I I don’t see this playing all that dissimilar than like like real like the only thing they’re really changing is they’re going to grow out the rough do some different pin positions but it’s the exact same yardage like same holes like there was no renovation from a previous edition here. It’s like it’s like how it would be like trying to think the 2021 US Open at Tory would play demonstrabably different than a Farmers. And then guess what? John freaking Rom wins. Jesus, you hate Tory Pine so much. That one I I have more disdain for than this place. No, I don’t I don’t hate this place. I don’t. Okay. I it’s I I don’t I don’t like the idea of going back to a regular PJ tour stop that we see every Oh, and I get that. I understand that. It’s It’s nice to see something new. I mean, Christ, we all just got excited about the cricket club, right? Because holy [ __ ] it’s something new, right? So, all right. Okay. All right. That that that’s all I got for course preview stuff. Like, I I don’t see much else I can teach you guys. And I hope I actually I like that little show the difference between 2017, 2024 and now what you can take from 2017, what you can take from last year and how to apply it this year. And then the key about the aronomy which I think essentially locks in like you’re going to have length win this thing just like any other PGA. And there’s probably only like four guys that can actually win this. Four. I don’t know. Well, we’re going to do a modified game. Hey. Oh, let’s go. Here’s our favorite character. We’re going to do it differently, though, okay? Because look, at least in my belief, I think we probably can just look at these guys and know what their games are and know how this place is going to play and just cross them off. We don’t need like trends heading in. We don’t No, I agree. All that stuff. We just look at who they are and let’s do it. So, okay. So, I’m just going to ask you a very simple question. Are you going to Is this guy have a chance or no? And I’m just gonna get your hot take. Okay. Okay. Scotty, you crossing him off. You said we said overseed, right? So, yeah, we’re keeping him on. Rory, are you crossing him off? Are you Are you going to be that guy to cross him off? No. Never. Okay. All right. Bryson, are you crossing him off? Nope. No, of course not. Okay. Well, Jean Rom. Yes. Yes. You’re gonna cross him off. Why are you gonna cross him off? I just man listen he’s just he’s just not the same Johnny Rom that I loved. I’m telling you he’s not I don’t give a [ __ ] how many top 10s he gets over and live. He’s been completely unremarkable in majors since he won the Masters. So I’m good. Show me first. Especially at that [ __ ] price. Okay. So, we were actually talking about this in the Discord today about how Rahm allegedly doesn’t like this place or just more reason. He’s only played here twice. Has Bryson has when What’s Bryson’s record here? I was trying to think about that. Well, he had that he had that top 10 in 2021 and then he went to Liv. Oh, [ __ ] Christ. Liv was that long ago? It’s been that long. Yeah. 2022. [ __ ] Christ. How is this thing still going after three years? Nobody watches it. They really don’t. Yeah. Um, it’s like the WNBA. I have no idea how the WNBA is still around. Nobody [ __ ] watches it other than Matthew Modí. And I just don’t understand how I listen. I understand that Saudi has [ __ ] infinite funds and they could waste their money on whatever they want. I understand that part. I don’t need the comments. What I’m saying is that like I don’t know. I just don’t I don’t get it. Anyway, sorry. Look, I mean, Rahm should be a good course fit for this place. He’s an excellent driver. He has length. Um, he has not either played this frequently or he hasn’t been had a lot of success here. His iron play also has been pretty shaky this year. [ __ ] That’s the only thing that kept him from winning the Masters. Yeah. So, that’s Well, his driver also sucked at the Masters, too. So, um, so that’s Demerit. I also have a theory he might just not like PJ setups. Um, what did he do? Go ahead. What did he do at Oill? He played well at O. He played shitty. He played shitty and he and he bitched and complained about pin positions and t- shot and like whole layouts like he’s like this. Me and BK were right next to him when he went way left on something. I think I think we were actually I think he flipped off a um a pin on I think it was number 11. He just gave the middle finger. I mean, he was playing terribly, but Oill, that should have been a place he was great. He should have been great. Like, big power fade. I think I should him instead of Brooks cuz I’m an [ __ ] Yep. And he sucked. Uh, Valhalla last year. That probably should have been a good setup for him. He sucked. He backdoored. He had the most fraudulent backdoor top 10 at Kioa because there was a huge wave split on Sunday. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. I would know because I bet all the unders in the morning in Kiwa and I bet all the overs in the afternoon and I went like 15 and three. That was great. Um but Ram was one of the ones that went under and he rose up the leaderboard but he stunk that entire tournament. Um he was fine like a T13 in Harding Park. He really is only contended really at Bel Reeve in 2018. So, I don’t know why. And we just kind of went over with PJ setups kind of reward the same stuff over and over. And I would think quail how is basically the most basic boilerplate PJ setup you can really get. You know, long, thick, rough, narrow golf course. It just hasn’t worked for him this tournament for whatever reason. Listen, I’m with you. So, I don’t know. I mean, if he drifts, I can probably see myself because I happen to be sitting on a Bryson 24 to1 from December. That’s the only bet I’ve made so far. Um, but yeah, like there’s a lot of red flags with with him. Huge red flags. 16 to1. Forget about it. I I think this was on DraftKings pricing I think a couple days ago. He’s probably I think you can get him 20 to one at least. I don’t I honestly don’t care what number you put. Like I wouldn’t I wouldn’t bet him. Yeah. Uh, Xander. Yeah, of course. Of course he Yeah. Yes. Of course. Of course. Okay. Recorder’s impeccable here. Yes. I mean, he’s How many top fives does he have a quill? He does, but like think about like how he is like coming in right now. Yeah. Listen like winning like there’s difference between like winning and contending. Correct. That’s fair. That’s fair. But listen, let’s put it this way. I guess if I’m making the list, I only got three so far and you’re saying six. I don’t know where my and I was thinking nine. I don’t know where the [ __ ] my other five are going to come from if I’m not including [ __ ] Sander. So, for the sake of this exercise, I will include Xander. All right. I I probably will find myself out of position on Sander. Um top 10. I don’t know about the outright. No, listen, I’m with you. I mean, I don’t want to bet I don’t want to bet at 18. I’m with you. I get that. All right. Havland, who’s not 20, by the way. you can get a much better price. This was a couple days ago. Yeah. Much much better, man. I So, I really I need to look in to see what he did cuz like we were talking on what Friday like is his driver broken? Like he just What a what a limp dick performance from the [ __ ] weekend. He didn’t drive it all that great this week. It was most surprisingly he actually drove it pretty good Thursday and Friday and then drove it terribly yesterday and today. Maybe maybe Saturday. We talked about it all these days. Yes. I don’t know man. Like he’s Hey, but you talking about carry distance, carry distance, putting like it’s Victor now. Look like I I think like this is the thing. If I play DFS and this was a DFS ccentric show, like I would go back to the well with Victor easily. Oh yeah. Alone Victor. That’s that’s automatic. But these are this is a betting card. This is by That’s fine. That’s fair. That’s fair. Yeah. There’s 150 guys you can bet. Like I just Yeah. No. All right. I don’t see I don’t see myself getting around to it. All right. Fine. I’m with you. I don’t think he can win. [ __ ] All right. Justin Thomas. [ __ ] no. Okay. Well, first of all, it’s the only major he can ever win is the PJ cuz his dad was a PJ professional. Steve, did you know his dad was a PJ professional and he taught him the game? Did you know that? Have you been beat over the head with that goddamn story enough? Unreal. No. Just like I didn’t know that uh they cut down a bunch of trees at uh at Philly Qriket Club. I almost threw my keyboard. Like you like I’ve only had one drink tonight and I’m agitated. Easy Rod. Okay. The uh No, he can’t [ __ ] win. His drive is squirly as [ __ ] And No. Yeah, but like that’s it’s if we’re thinking about just distance this week and really care where it goes, like he’s one of the guys that can definitely thrive in those conditions. The answer is no. For me, all right. Okay. All right. How about How about this? How about this guy, Colin Morawa? You like the picture, I think. Yeah, it’s great. Is he hugging his dog? with his little dog booties. No, I don’t envision this being a repeat of Harding Park where it was a plethora of There’s fans there, Steve. There’s fans there. He does not win if there’s fans. We’ve established this. He’s a co. Okay. Well, there’s a lot of fans fans at the Open. That doesn’t count. They’re British. They’re very fans at the Zozo. Just because you didn’t watch Major. I’m talking about Major. Talking about Major. Fine. All right. Um, that’s going to be a no for me for Colin Walke Nean. What? [ __ ] out of here. Sorry Dave. I mean, here comes the spam in the chat. Look, of of all the golf courses, I actually I this is not a hot take. Like, this would be a good one suited for walking Nean. He has good finishes here. He has a lot of length, but like he doesn’t do anything else. I I can’t take this price seriously though. I’m sorry. Like and and this also means if he’s going to be like 30 to1 like his positionals are going to be completely out of whack to he hasn’t he’s got one top 20 finish in majors. Thank you. Like listen the talent is there. Like I’m not a walking Neiman hater. He’s one of the guys who I [ __ ] hated went to live. So David before you go insane like all my guys went to live. I loved walking Neiman. His swing is goddamn beautiful. Like I was sad about him too. Um yeah Andy took Andy took Munz with him too. [ __ ] He had to take my he had to take another guy who I liked. [ __ ] Yeah. No, I I like Neman. I just I I can’t see myself unless like there’s some good discount on a positional. I just I can’t see myself like if I if I got to pay like plus 115 for a top 20 again on him. Oh, [ __ ] no. Like, [ __ ] no. What am I doing? No. What are we doing here? Yeah. All right. What else we got? This one makes me sad. I know. Brooks Kepka. No, he’s not on serious golfer now. it. I I said this I think after the Masters or recap that I’m wondering if the 2023 PGA might have been the uh the crescendo. Yep. It was for him. He’s getting older. It just hasn’t really it just hasn’t clicked this year on a couple a couple times on live. He’s done well at some of the course. That though, do you know what I mean? Listen, you listen, anybody who’s listening to this podcast knows that I’m not a live hater at all. Like, I don’t care. Like, I’ll watch it. My my guys all my guys are over there. I the product kind of stinks. Um, and that’s it. Like, it just is what it is. Like, when I’ll root for my guys still, like I don’t give a [ __ ] Um, but Brooks, there’s nothing to take from that. John Rom has 9,000 top 10s in a row and he shows up and plays against iron sharpens iron, right? That’s that’s the biggest thing, right? Like, if you played sports growing up, iron sharpens iron. You want to play against the best kids at all times or or best opponents at all times because playing soft opponents doesn’t do [ __ ] for you. You have to be against the best at all times and that’s how you step up and that’s how you get better. Well, that’s not happening over on the live tour for whatever reason. Okay? It’s just not like there’s there there is all world golfers over there, but because it’s unserious, they take it unserious. It’s just a human emotion. Like like think about when you’re out on the golf course with your buddies and think about differently when you have money on it versus when you don’t have money on it. You don’t give a [ __ ] you missed an eight foot putt and when you’re out there slamming genotonics and there’s no money on the line but if there’s money on the line you’re going to going to look a little harder take an extra read and I don’t know man like I don’t know how to take any of these [ __ ] lip guys seriously anymore. It’s [ __ ] it’s annoying other than Bryson who Bryson is just a weirdo. She’s just a weirdo. Well, I I I’ve He’s a weirdo, but I have remember how much we laughed at him for like up and the distance. I was I was 100% Brooks like that. He was that was right based on all on all these golf courses, how guys attack things now and how these golf courses are just getting broken by distance. Like he he was ahead of the curve. He did it wrong. But then he figured out he doesn’t have to be Teddy Brussi in order to hit a 350. Oh. Oh. What are you implying, sir? No, I that was just like the first like like player that came to my head about like a big linebacker like like big like big beefy guy, you know? Okay, listen. That’s fair. Bruski was a big beefy guy. No, he was Yeah, that wasn’t a slight against him. That was more like Okay, like he doesn’t have to be 285. All right. Bruce had I was home I was home on leave. I think one of the first times I brought my wife back home to Boston and Teddy Bruski had a stroke. It was like the second time. The first time Nomad got traded, the second time uh Bruce had a stroke and that’s all anybody talked about. My wife was so confused about why everybody that we walked into strangers, we would just start talking about either NMA or Brussi at each time. Okay. Terrell Hatton. Absolutely. Not for an hour, right? He Why not? He because like I described earlier like he’s got an edge. He’s he’s he’s one of the live guys. Okay. But like Okay. But like I I I I just feel like this is going to be like a horse race and the distance guys are just going to separate themselves by Sunday, I guess. And like this is this is like the like you know the 2024 leaderboard at Wells where you had like the two separators and you had a bunch of guys like 600, 500. Like that’s where I see like Hatton at the end of the day. All right, fine. But no, I don’t want him for this golf course. It just T3 in 2023. Okay, Hideki. Again, another guy that I just feel like is going to fade as the weekend goes. Today was so bad for him, man. It was bad. It was very bad. Um I like cuz I liked what I saw up until that point. But what a horrible picture. Looks like an AI picture of Hideki. Doesn’t even look uh this I find him like Well, he doesn’t smile. We never see him smile. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I want to be taken aback by that picture. I want to make him look happy and I’m like, “All right, maybe that’s why he doesn’t smile.” I don’t know. God, uh, Fleetwood, [ __ ] out of just move on to the next one. The [ __ ] No. No. To Tommy Fleetwood. If If I think the PG championship is like the epitome of like just big, brrawy American golf. Like, I’m I’m not gambling on golf. If Tommy Fleetwood was the PGA, I’m quitting. Quitting. How about this? This [ __ ] Oh, Doran. This this backdoor son of a [ __ ] This [ __ ] this freaking [ __ ] does nothing yesterday. And I know it’s tough conditions. And honestly, in retrospect, if I I need to be better on this, if I see a day of big wins, like can’t like quits, okay? I can’t think of a single win he’s had where there was an adverse weather condition during it. Um, so that’s on me. That’s my moral failure. So that’s why I have to go to the Wednesday Wednesday meeting uh and admit my faults at that point. Um but like yeah, like good weather conditions for this weekend for him. Um I just I just can’t I I I I can’t I just I can’t take this guy seriously. And if he wins this week, fine. All right. I’ll be able to live myself. But so Dave brings up a point. Where’s Lud? Is he on a different side? Levig. Oh, I missed him. I missed him. We missed him. All right, fine. Levig. Yeah, I think he can. Yeah, I would I I would God, he’s been so bad though. But he does have the he has the cheat code of driving. Um Justin, if I really want to think back and like really spin this and twist this, um I don’t think JT was playing all that. No, you know what? That’s not true. He was just coming off a good finish at Bridgestone, I think, in 2017. Then he won. But what a joke, by the way. Joke. But I mean, Levig turn was playing terribly ahead with the Masters of winning. He does have the ability to drive it pretty far and has those big carry distances. You just said Levig was playing well into the Masters or ended up winning. No, no, no. Levig was not playing well heading in the Masters. You just said he ended up winning. I’m tired, dude. Okay, I’m running out of I just want to throw that out. I spent 15 minutes tracking down aronomy takes about Quill Hollow from Insiders. Okay. All right. [ __ ] love it, baby. I love it. I’m I’m I’m run on it. All right, why don’t we just skip running on fumes, baby? Run on fumes. All right, anybody else on any other losers on this list? This is a giant list here. All right, so pick pick a couple guys you think might be able to do like do something here like um All right, I’m looking. Straa, I guess everybody doubts him. Keeps winning. Yeah, I he doesn’t 110. That’s a great number. Keegan, you know, Bradley. Yeah, that’s the only Keegan, you know. Name another Keegan. I can’t. Seriously, can you name another Keegan? I’ve never even heard that name until this guy. I can’t. Um, people like people like Patrick Reed because like he just breaks the mold because he just knows how to handle long golf courses like this like Beth Paige Black and Deral and um I mean positional for me absolutely. I think he’s going to be probably 40 to one for a top 20. I’m definitely going back to that again. Um I’d bet anyone at 40 to1 for a top 20. Okay. Uh what about Minmu Lee? No, man hits ball far. Yeah, man hits ball far, then man doesn’t know what to do with ball after. That’s that’s the problem. Just because you hit it far, there’s still other things you have to do. And I think minimally like that seems like hits it far and yet still misses the cut by like three shots at the end of the day. Dirt no love for [ __ ] Ricky. Absolutely not. Ricky can go [ __ ] pound sand. No. Um, you know, Feno played okay this week. Actually, that’s actually not a bad one. So, I think definitely a DFS play, right? Like, but I don’t know. I guess we’ll have to see what the Steam is, but that’s a good number to [ __ ] Yeah. I mean, listen, like he’s got all the driving tools you need. He’s been relevant in majors. I mean, listen, he almost he was in the mix at Pinehurst a year ago. He’s had allegedly a lot of personal issues that have been going on that have been well documented. Um, seems like those are all He played all right this week. Maybe. I don’t hate that. I don’t hate that at all. What about Bernie? Um, how about idiot Sam Burns? Man, Bernie, your guy over on the same page. Your guy Bernzie. There you go. How about uh how about third place finisher last year, Ben? Ben Ben on the guy who apparently cannot get right on an over round score. The guy just continually That’s the one that always costs me is Ben On. He’s Listen, he is your Billy Horchel. You just need to stop. Remember when I just stopped betting Billy Horchel and I became rich because I stopped betting Billy Horchel. How about How about uh how about Mr. Goose Egg at the President’s Cup, but he hits ball far. Taylor Pendrath. No, everybody loves Ben and Taylor Pendrath. No, I’m good. How about How about Scam Young? Scam Young good course history. Played well this week. Bearhetting everybody. Does he have good course history here? Yeah, he absolutely does. He does. Hey, Quail. Yes, he absolutely does. All right, we’ll see it. Quail. All right, we’ll see. This was Gohead. Just keep talking. I’ll find it. Um I mean, listen, man hits ball far. Man played well this week. Sure. Um how about the Hoygard idiots? Oh, I like uh Rasmus here. Uh that means go with Nikolai then. It’s going to be a Nikolai week if you like. Exactly right. Exactly right. All right. So that’s right. Um, Davis Thompson, good driver. I I never get him right, man. I hate his No, that would be positional. Dean Burmeister. No, none of these guys are actually winning. All positional bets. Yeah, these are all basically positional bets and they end up burning me. They end up burning me. But no, like that’s the challenge for me. Like I I got this Bryson ticket. That’s great. Like what what am I going to pair them up with? Nothing. I don’t know. Call it a [ __ ] day. So, we’ll see what happens. But um that’s all I got. I think this is the shortest major preview we’ve ever done at an hour 10. But like I said, like the whole goal of tonight was I think trying to compare the different styles of well of quailes instead of like actually breaking it down. And I mean I think we all kind of just land at the same place anyways. It’s it’s mean what we always really look at for the PGA and what we always really look at quill. So I think I’m wrong about I think I’m wrong about his course history. Cam Young. Yes, I think you’re very wrong. I swear to Christ I saw it earlier, but whatever. No, be wrong. I’ll have to look. Um All right. Yeah, I think that’s it. Yeah, I think that’s it, too. So, we got uh we got a show on on Tuesday. Yep. I think uh our outright car is going to be very short and it’s going to be mostly focused on like positional plays. I think for me I think that’s going to be interesting for me this week. I don’t I honestly might just do I already have a bet in on somebody who we’ve already talked about tonight in the top three of what we think. Okay. And I might just double down on him and then just maybe pick like one or two longer guys maybe and then just go positions and matchups. Okay. All right. I am worried about him after after we tal after we talked about him then like his history here and in PGA’s makes me Oh, so so it’s John Rom then? That’s who you bet. No, it’s not Rob. It’s the other one. Oh, okay. All right, then. Well, I was afraid I was afraid the number was going to move and it didn’t. Great. All right. Well, we’ll be back on Tuesday with our full betting card. Um, yeah, that’s all I got. Anything else from you? Nope, that’s it. Thanks, JT. I could have used that extra half a million dollars in the one and done, you worthless cuck. And uh yeah, we’ll see you guys on Tuesday. Bye.
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