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Today, Jason and Travis recap the Chiefs and Eagles draft classes, reveal why they secretly love the Browns’ Shadeur Sanders pick, and explain why “character concerns” are overrated.
We’ve also got an incredible conversation with Hollywood icon Ben Affleck. We discuss why The Account hits home for Jason, how building a culture on a movie set is the same as in an NFL locker room, which Boston team is secretly his favorite, his life-changing experience of running routes for Tom Brady, why Ben is sick of Matt Damon’s abs, and more!
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Chapters:
00:00 – Intro
03:45 – Guest Announcement
05:40 – Chiefs Draft Recap
13:55 – Eagles Draft Recap
21:31 – Why We Love the Shadeur Pick
27:30 – “Character Concerns”
33:51 – Affleck Intro
36:05 – Jason’s Personal Accountant Connection
41:24 – Male Friendships
46:50 – Evaluating Athletes
50:55 – Building Culture
01:01:14 – Boston Fandom
01:11:05 – Refusing a Yankees Hat
01:13:10 – Running Routes for Tom Brady
01:17:51 – Matt Damon’s Abs
01:24:15 – Dunkin’ Super Bowl Commercial
01:28:20 – 8AM Golf in Vegas Recap
01:34:00 – The Gorilla Fight Debate
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Travis Kelce also famously slid from character concerns. So Shador, look no further. This could be you. Jason Kelsey, character concerns fell into the six round. Character concerns and size concerns. What do you think about that Jason Kelsey guy? Well, I’ve heard he’s an [ __ ] He’s a lunatic. Loses his temper all the times. And on top of that, he’s too small. Let’s pick him in the sixth round. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wre show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Duncan Donuts. No way. What a great sponsor. They sent me munchkins. The wonderful delight that just it doesn’t make you feel like you’re eating too bad until the entire box is gone and you’re like, “Oh, that was a lot of donuts I just ate.” I mean, that’s the trick of it, right? Mhm. Just make them smaller. You’re going to eat more. I’m definitely going to go breakfast sandwich. Oh, what you got there? Saute and cheese English muffin. M pretty damn good. We’re your hosts. I’m Travis Genie. My big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cavs, baby. The old Coliseum out in Richfield. Cavs swept the Heat. Looking to uh advance already. Get some rest days. Subscribe on YouTube 12 plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on social media at New Heights Show with one s. Uh Jason, let the people know what we got coming up. Oh, you’re going to want to stay tuned. We are going to recap everything that happened in the NFL draft. Well, not everything. We’re going to cut the hot spots like usual. Answer some of your no dumb questions and we’re going to get to a great combo with the one and only Mr. Ben Affleck. Okay, time out. Is it is it Affleck or Affleac? It’s Affleck, I believe. I always call him Ben Affleck. It’s not it. You got to say it right. I probably said Ben Affleck as well. I mean, it’s definitely e CK, but I feel like everybody pronounces it Ben Affleck. No, no, I don’t think anybody does. I’ve never heard anybody call Ben Affleck. Never heard that. I think I hear it every single time I hear somebody say his name. Brandon, say Ben’s name. Ben Affleck. You’re only saying it because we just went over. That’s how you Ben Affleck. How fast was that? How quick on the draw was I at that? Ben Affleck. That was quick. That was quick. Am I just in a like a Black Mirror episode right now? I feel like that the whole there’s like a whole time conundrum thing of multi-university. I think you’ve been saying Affleac your entire life, but anybody that actually sees how his name is like wrote and written um or like spelled, they’re going to say it correctly. It’s like people calling us Kel our entire lives. No, that’s that’s Well, you’re wrong. Before we get any of that, we’re going to get to that uh thing we always get to. New news. New news. All righty. New news is brought to you by American Express. Let’s start with some Amage promo. That’s right. We’re going to sell you some [ __ ] What? New news from our friends at Amage. From now until May 4th, we’re offering 25% off new heights apparel. So, it’s a perfect time to uh to treat yourself as uh oh my god, what was that name from? Uh Parks and Wreck Tom Hford. Hford. He doesn’t know what I’m talking about. Anyways, uh go treat yourself. Go to.com/new heights and use promo code new heights 25. All right, guest episode announcement. We’re going to be back next week with another episode 90enters are going to want to see and tune in for. We can say who it is if we really want to. Do we want to say? No. I think we should keep it on ice for a second. Should we get teasers? Let’s get some teasers. Ooh. All right. All right. All right. We can’t say we can’t say this person’s name, gender, where they’re from, or where they live currently. Okay. She is somebody’s mother. Travis, you can’t say what gender it is. You’re right. All right. You won that one. God damn it, Travis. Our mom is joining us. Yep. Donna Kelsey’s joining us. Keep it together. Yeah. No, we clearly could not. It’s Mother’s Day special. Everybody knew who was coming on. We’re getting Donna Kelsey on the show. It’s going to be a [ __ ] blast because that’s what Donna is. She’s an absolute blast of a human being. It’s going to be great. I haven’t had Mama Kels on in a while. So, uh, you guys will, uh, get caught up with how, uh, Mommy’s doing. Travis, you’re a grown man. Stop calling mom mommy. Mommy. Stop it. Nope. Stop that right now. We got to keep doing it. I’m so comfortable with my manhood, Jason. It’s not about a manhood, Travis. It’s about being I don’t know, but it seems it’s it’s about being not weird is what it is. Okay, mommy. I mean, if you say it like that when you’re around her, not weird. But when you say having mommy on, that’s weird. No, it’s not. Daddy. Yes, girly. Guess what? Oh, no. Jason, you need to correct her right now. She either calls you dad or dada. He does not call you daddy. She does not call you daddy. If she calls you daddy, that’s just weird. No, Travis. She’s a toddler. All right, we got our mom coming on special episode. That’s it for new news brought to you by Merit Express. All right, now we’ve actually got some NFL news. Last week was the NFL draft and apparently everyone tuned in. Why is the NFL draft so much better than the other drafts besides the NFL just being more watched? What’s the turnover in the NFL? I think there’s like a there’s always like at least like 300 to 400 new players every single year. I don’t think it’s like that in any other sport. Yeah. Maybe baseball. The chances of the players you’re watching get picked in the NBA actually making a difference outside of like the top Yeah. you know what, five picks like every year. It’s like kind of a crapshoot a little bit. Is that what you’re saying? I think so. And I think the the entire like I don’t know. That’s a great question. I’m trying to like compare it to other sports, but college basketball, I would assume, is just as exciting as college football. And you know, the the anticipation of the greatest players in that league going to the next level. I don’t know. It’s a great question. All right. I think this is why football is king. Yeah. All right. And let’s look at the uh let’s look at who the Chiefs picked. Sure. Yeah. Let’s look at it. Round number one, uh 32nd overall pick, Josh Simmons, offensive tackle out of Ohio State. Uh 65 317. That’s a big old boy right there. Big boy. How big of a boy are you? This is one of the guys I actually watched a little bit. I like absolutely love this guy on tape. The way he moves, uh, reminds me a lot of some highlevel players. The way he bends, plays with his ass low to the ground, his arms only say 33, but they it feels like he’s got much bigger length than that. He is big, he’s strong, he moves people, he’s an outstanding pass blocker. This and the Eagles first round picks were two of the biggest steals in the draft. I’m not just saying that because they’re both our teams. I I really think if Josh Simmons doesn’t tear his Patel tendon, he’s the first tackle off the board most likely. The fact that the Chiefs got him at 32 could be like unbelievable value if he comes back from the knee injury. Boy Beach talking about Beach. We’re going to have to wait and see how this kid comes back from this injury. No, I don’t think back. I think it’s I think it’s a sign seal delivered. This guy’s going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, if he comes back from the knee, there is a very good chance. This guy was very impressive. If something tells me he’s already he’s already there. He’s already there. Number two, number 63, Omar Norman Lot. How about it? DT tackle out of Tennessee. Uh, first defensive tackle to be selected by the Chiefs in the second round since defensive tackle Chris Jones. Hey, got to love being in the same conversations is Chris Jones. saw the uh I’ve I’ve only seen highlights of these guys and uh absolute stud. Absolute stud. Got revamped offensive line, defensive line with our first two to three picks. We went with Ashton uh gosh, I don’t know how to say his last name. Gelat. Gelotti. Gelotty. You sure? It’s definitely not it. No, it’s not it. It’s not it. It might be it actually. I have no idea. Played in Louisville, though. Tells me he’s got a bluecollar kid. Hard worker. Yeah, if you’re going to the third round with the Chiefs, you’re going to be just fine. I know I know one or two guys that are still on the team 13 years down the road that got picked in the third round. Same defensive line coach is uh George Carlos. I mean, I’m a big fan of these top three picks. I think the Chiefs clearly last year obviously struggled at the tackle position. and they answer that right away with Josh Simmons, a kid that could have incredible upside and then really they bolster the defensive line with the next two picks which, you know, they needed to do. I think that the the defense is very close to being unbelievable and because of Spags and some of the pieces, it was unbelievable last year, but they’ve needed to revamp a little bit of that that size and athleticism up front, and hopefully these two kids can do that. You know it. Well, we didn’t uh leave the third round without attacking the uh the DB room. Got a quarterback out of Cal. Noel Williams uh led the FBS with seven interceptions. So, hey uh I guess when we you already know we can love a good ball in the secondary now. He’s got some accolades and I mean seven picks. That’s I mean you got to love a DB who can catch the [ __ ] ball. Jaylen Royals wide receiver out of Utah State. this on you, dude. Fourth round getting a guy that runs a 442 that just takes [ __ ] to the house. I saw that he had like 15 touchdowns this year or something like that. Runs a 442. Yeah, he’s a he’s a strong he’s a strong wide receiver now. Round five, Jeffrey Bassa, linebacker, Oregon, tallied at least 45 tackles in each of his first four seasons with the Ducks. Again, not that impressive. He served as Oregon’s green dot in 2024, meaning he helped just bad 45 tackles in each of his first four season. Like this special team was only to get 45 tackles. Brandon, uh he served as Oregon’s green dot in 2024, meaning he called the defensive plays on field. That is what that means. You want to say the last guy? Brashard Smith, running back SMU. Heard through the grapevine through my guy uh Garrick Deer and his SMU connects. Shout out to Deetsz. He was saying that this guy is a baller. He’s just an all-around baller. He had 1977 allpurpose yards, which is uh pretty [ __ ] ridiculous. He ran the third fastest 40-yard dash of any running back at the combine. Um, so really really excited about this guy. He’s a wide receiver I believe turned running back and um, yeah, excited to get an athlete like that and a guy that could just, you know, get the ball in his hands and do something with it. Sounds like a dual threat multiple purpose type running back, use him in a lot of different ways. You guys had your your back that did that a lot last year was Per, which I loved. I loved Sam Per third down back to Cincy, man. God damn it. That guy was good, man. Awesome. Awesome teammate, too. I I dug his overall vibe. Rashard, maybe he can fill in that role. That’s a crucial role. We lost our guy there, Kenny. Uh Gainwell. He was a big third down back for us for a long time. Uh moved on this off season. It’s an important piece that a lot of times gets overlooked. Who’s that back that is kind of that jack of all trades, third down, um very reliable, so they have a chance to compete round seven. I love uh love what we did in the draft though. Handled some uh we lost some guys on the on the defensive line. Filled those roles. Uh got a big old tackle uh to protect Pat and uh and move some bodies in the run game and then on top of that just add pieces left and right uh in the secondary and on the offensive weapon side. Man, it’s uh I’m pumped, man. And I’m pumped to get these guys in the building. And who knows what else V just is cooking up with all the undrafted free agents that we’re going to see in rookie mini camp next week. It’s an exciting time of year, man. You get to for those of you that don’t know, we’re we’re going through all these draft pickics. I don’t think Travis or I put a lot of stock into pre-draft analysis. And the reason for that is like you never know. You I mean sometimes you have a really good feeling about a guy. A lot of times teams will feel really good about a number of their guys, but at the end of the day, once the guy gets out there, once he gets in the building, that’s when you really get to start to know who’s who and what guys, uh, you know, kind of have it, whether it’s all the physical stature stuff, the mental acuity, uh, the the competitive nature. None of that stuff is really going to fully be transparent until you start seeing him in person against NFL guys out on the field. So, it’s an exciting time to be in the NFL. Like I think for all the fans, the exciting thing just happened, the draft, right? For players and teammates, now’s the exciting time. Now we’re going to get to see all these guys and all these new pieces and actually see, you know, who can play and who can compete and who’s going to make the building fun, man. Who’s going to come in and and juice us up and and uh help the culture be even more exciting than what it is? Hell yeah. Let’s let’s look at these Eagles picks, man. What’ you guys go with? Eagles. First round we trade with you guys. How about that? Go from competing in the Super Bowl to trading draft picks. Let me tell you about my best friend, the one who let me trade up to stop somebody else from taking him. Uh yeah, so we uh traded with the Kansas City Chiefs from 32 to 31. Just one spot uh to get Jiad Campbell from Alabama. Love this pick. I love this pick because I think the Eagles what they’ve done really well the last few drafts that have panned out for them is they’ve gotten amazing value at different spots where guys start to slide and like they are regarded by everybody out there as being players that are really really talented that should have been taken higher but for whatever reason whether there’s an injury like what happened with Josh Simmons or maybe it’s a position that doesn’t necessarily really get rated as highly or there’s times that are cause of concern. The Eagles have done a great job of just picking really good players for value picks where that guy should have gone before that based on how he was as a college player. And I think they got that with John Campbell. He’s a linebacker. For some reason, offball linebacker is a position that’s been a little bit devalued in the NFL recently. Everybody tends to have gone defensive line or DBs with these picks early. I think the Eagles saw last year how much Zack Bond made a difference to the overall defense uh for Philadelphia. He was in for defensive player of the year. The Eagles have great coaches. They have and they probably have a lot of confidence in their ability to of these coaches to scout different players. So, they end up getting a guy that they really feel really highly about. Now, you’re going to pair him with Zack Bond. And I mean, this is an amazingly talented second level now in the Philadelphia Eagles with this guy. You can also rush the passer, I guess. Um, but no, I’m excited. I’m excited to watch him play. Round two, pick 64 safety Andrew Makuba out of Texas. Don’t know much about him to be honest with you. Haven’t watched a lot of college football, but Brandon Borders, our resident Texas expert, says he’s a little guy that hits really hard. Dog. Dog. You got a dog. You gota hype with my guy. I got hype with my guy. I love it. I love it. I love it. A lot of hype coming out of Andrew Makuba. Um and I I feel like another one. It’s another similar pick where it feels like uh he was slated higher and the Eagles ended up getting him in the second round at pick 64. Round four, they go defensive tackle Tai Robinson. And not only are they getting guys of great value, they’re getting guys in positions that they need, right? Linebacker. Um they lost a couple linebackers uh in the off season. Jacobe Dean’s coming off of injury. They need to uh continue to upgrade that position. They get safety Andrew Makuba after letting CJ GJ go last year. Darius Slay, my man big play Slay is gone. So, there’s some secondary things that they need to shore up. And then obviously defensive line was their big need. I think a lot of people were talking about going into the draft and they finally get to that in round four with Ty Robinson, a teammate of Cam Jurgens at Nebraska. He’s uh I don’t know if you saw this Travis, he’s a pet camel. Take a look at this tweet. Yeah, I’m looking at it right now. I don’t know about the He’s pretty [ __ ] pumped on Camel. Is that Where does he get Where does he keep that thing? Where does he keep it? I don’t know. I mean, it uh at his barn, his farm. It’s camel farm. It’s got a camel farm, maybe. Are camels suited for every climate? They’re suited for Nebraska, apparently. There’s actually I mean, Omaha, Nebraska does have one of the finest zoos in the state of America. All right. There’s actually a camel. Uh there’s a little like petting zoo type farm thing that we took the girls to around our house one time and they had a camel. You think this guy spits? Camels are known for spitting. This guy spit in people’s faces. Little Bill Romanowski action to him. That ain’t right. I hope not. We got to play with a little bit more class. But same same time, whatever you got to do, you get the job done. Ty, don’t you don’t worry about it. Um and then the rest of the draft, we continue to fill out needs on the defensive side of the ball as well as shore up the offensive line. The offensive line was the position it felt like offensively that the Eagles wanted to continue to fill out the depth. I do think it’s interesting they didn’t pick an offensive line until round five with Drew Kendall. And that tells me that they’re pretty confident with who they have rolling into this. They got Tyler Steen at right guard who has been competing for the starting job for at least one year. Really played a lot my last year too who’s got a lot of upside especially if you can improve the consistency. uh has done a lot of good things with the Eagles. And then on top of that, signed Matt Prior this off seasonason. They traded for uh Kenyan Green from uh Houston. So there’s a lot of competition here. They drafted Drew Kendall center out of Boston College. They drafted a couple tackles late and Miles Hinton and Cameron Williams. So there’s a lot of competition that Stout’s going to be able to work with in that room. I’m excited to see what these guys got. Man, I think when you get into these later rounds, it’s kind of a crapshoot. you know, you’re waiting to see. Everybody once you’re outside of the first round, second round, especially the third round, all these guys have some type of weakness, have something that’s holding them back that’s causing them to go outside of the top three rounds. And you get to see what their strengths are, where they can improve at. Um, you know, which guys uh are going to pan out. And it’s just it’s it’s fun to to watch these guys compete and get better. and especially watching Jeff Stoutland work with them. I’m excited to see each and every one of them. You know it. Well, you guys also got a QB and Kyle McCord in the sixth round out of Syracuse. I actually remember watching this uh this dude play a little bit in the ACC and um it looks like he’s a lifelong Eagles fan from up there in the New Jersey area. Little Mount Laurel. Who’s not these days, am I right? Big fan base. Big fan base. I saw like a locker room video of him singing a rap song. look like he’s got some swag to him. Which, listen, we we already know if you’re a quarterback room guy. Exactly. If you’re a quarterback and you got some swagger to you, you got a little Baker Mayfield to your ass or some like just some [ __ ] to you, that’s a plus, that’s a major plus. It’s always a plus. A lot of times quarterbacks are very can can kind of be beaten to their own drum. It’s a pos it’s a position that gets pandered to a lot and a lot of the guys that are really good in college. You know, they’re sometimes, you know, not as connected to their teammates as you need to be. And I was talking to Marcus Spears during the season and he said something that I think is just so true. If you want to be the quarterback, you want to be like one of the great ones, you got to be the guy that everybody has gravitated to, that everybody wants to talk to. You don’t got to be everybody’s friend, but you have to have this personality that is like magnetic and drives people and you’re a focal point of the locker room. Those are what the great ones do, right? And if you’re not going to be that guy, you can have all the talent in the world. You might have success because you’re on great teams, but it’s going to be hard, especially when times aren’t going well, to be somebody that galvanizes people to play well around you. And you’re going to have to do that to be one of the best. Yeah. This is all saying I like that he acted like he had a gun and he was doing his cool thing in the locker room. I think it shows that he’s got some swag to him, you know. Pew pew pew pew. Biggest story out of the draft was obviously Shador Sanders sliding to the fifth round. Many people projected him to be be a first round. Some people had like top 10 picks, right? In some of these um mock drafts, he was he was high up there. Now, well, he’s selected by the Cleveland Browns or Brownies. I love this for Cleveland. God, I love this for Cleveland. I really do, man. The the Browns fan deep down in my heart is just like, [ __ ] yeah. You get a you get a swag champ that works his ass off, that has something to prove now. You know, not that he didn’t before, but you know, he’s got that chip on his shoulder, I’m sure, because of how much he he’s dropped. And yeah, and how could you not? Yeah. If you’re at all a self-confident person who believes in themselves and you’re touted by a lot of people and you had the college career that he had, how could you not be upset that you fell out of uh fell this far? You know what I mean? Still should be happy you’re in the NFL. But I mean, there’s a lot of quarterbacks that were taken above him. There’s a quarterback that the Browns selected above him. Who was the quarter uh Dylan Gabriel was selected in the third round. lot of anonymous reports prior to the draft that his team interviews went poorly. What do you think, Trav? Why do you think Shor Sanders I think whoever’s a [ __ ] anonymous person that’s [ __ ] saying this should [ __ ] come out and say who they were and show it with your chest. Like what the [ __ ] is that about? Like if you’re going to [ __ ] leak that type of [ __ ] [ __ ] be the one that says that yeah, it just didn’t go well for us, you know? Don’t [ __ ] say that we’re anonymous, you know? That’s so [ __ ] lame. like uh like I don’t know. I just feel like there’s no validity to it. I’m not sure why he dropped. I’m not sure, you know, whether it was the interviews or whether it was stuff that they saw on film. What I saw on film, I thought he was a way higher pick. Um and I think that’s all that should matter. And I mean, it doesn’t seem like he’s a terrible person. You know, he seems like he’s just a a motivated football player that is a part of a u a big football family. and him and his father have kind of taken over the uh NCAA football for the past three to four years. And whether that’s something that NFL teams quote unquote didn’t want to deal with, I feel like this is going to be such a fresh start for him. And um and now it’s it’s going to feel I I I can see him working his ass off and becoming the the starting quarterback in in Cleveland at some point. For sure. Personally, I think a lot of these interviews went poorly or the off the- field antics between Dion and whatever media stuff Shador’s got going on. I think all that is getting blown way out of proportion as a factor for this. I think the reality is to me and the way I look at it is it’s hard to find a great quarterback in this league. If these teams really felt that Shador Sanders was a top firstround talent, they would have picked him. That’s what I think. I think if you you you mean to tell me if Michael Vic was had these same exact off-field things happening or uh you know if if m if he was Michael Vic’s exact talent he wouldn’t have been taken to the first round. Of course he would have. Teams said on draft day they don’t think Shador Sanders potential warrants being drafted that high at the next level. Okay. Now for whatever reason that is. I don’t know why that is. I don’t even barely want Shidor Sanders. But I ain’t gonna sit here and tell you that like there’s too many players with character issues, with concerns every year coming out about criminal behavior, off-field antics, and other things that get drafted in the first round. And they get drafted in the first round because they are ballers and the NFL wants great players. The fact that he got drafted at 144 in the fifth round tells me that a maybe these off-field things mattered a little bit, but the bottom line is teams just do not think the potential of Shador Sanders panning out the next level is high enough to warrant an earlier pick. And teams get this wrong all the time. They got it wrong with Brock Pury. They got it wrong with Tom Brady. This is not like an exact science. And I hope the guy and I’m happy Shador Sanders is going to get an opportunity to go to Cleveland because clearly Cleveland wants to replace their starting quarterback. They picked two of them in the draft. So now you’re going to get him a competitive person motivated to prove a bunch of [ __ ] wrong up in Cleveland, Ohio on a team that clearly wants a new quarterback. Yeah. Otherwise, they would have taken Dylan Gabriel in the third round and then picked another one in the fifth. And when it comes to the potential of a player, I think, you know, it’s I think the higher up you go is you’re ready now. It might not be that the potential isn’t there that you will one day be ready. I think there’s just more questions. There’s more questions of what’s the maximum potential. Where is this player at currently? There’s a ton of opportunity and potential that the kid has. And there’s been tons of players that have been drafted in the later rounds who teams have questions about that end up panning out. And a lot of that comes down to the intangibles. A lot of that comes down to, you know, does he just have this it factor everybody and that’s what everybody’s kind of waiting to see. Like at the end of the day, he’s been successful everywhere he’s been. He’s had throwing accuracy. Like none of that stuff teams can avoid accepting, but they will find all these other little things to say like, ah, you know, he doesn’t have this, he doesn’t have that. There’s guys like Tim Tibo had a lot of stuff in college, too, and he didn’t pay out in the NFL. They’re looking to find these little things that cause them to have concern about why you might not pan out the next level. And all I’m saying is this kid is the dog and the motivated individual. He’s got a lot of attributes that that lead themselves to being great at the next level. Yeah. And he’s in a situation now that, you know, he’s going to get a chance to compete right now. Yeah. Shader, hit us up if you need any uh food recommendations out there in Cleveland, big dog. Good luck. Uh, good luck becoming the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, brother. I’m rooting for him. I [ __ ] hope. I mean, talk about a great story. Are you kidding me? How can you not for the guy right now? I hope he makes it and he brings his all of the people that he brought to him to the meetings to the contract that he signs after he [ __ ] leads him to some playoff game. You know what I mean? Like just I hope this just happens in the biggest [ __ ] you to everybody around their questioning that side of things. But anyway, let’s [ __ ] go. Travis Kelce also famously slid from character concerns. Arguably was the best tight end on tape. So Shador, look no further. This could be you. That’s Jason Kelsey. Character concerns fell into the six round. Character concerns and size concerns. What do you think about that Jason Kelsey guy? Well, uh, he is a he’s a [ __ ] lunatic. I’ve heard he’s an [ __ ] Loses his temper all the time. And on top of that, he’s too small. Oh yeah, that’s He ran a good 40. Let’s pick him in the sixth round. Travis Kelce, the funny thing about Trav is that like there was nothing outside of the injuries. I guess you had two things. You had you had had a few injuries and then you obviously had the marijuana thing stemming from your sophomore year. But outside of that, like I only remember people saying marijuana makes it sound so more intense. Why does that word sound so intense? Maybe it’s just like Is it just funny that Do you ever stop the thing? You probably got drafted an entire round later than you should have. Maybe even I mean you could have that the tape that you had your senior year was incredible. So I had only had two years at tight end. Well, you really only had one year of playing fully healthy the whole year. I just think it’s funny sometimes looking back and like there are all these concerns about Travis Kelce and like everybody who ever knew you knew you were a great kid. You just had like a mess up with mar like weed. Sorry. And then all of a sudden like teams aren’t picking you for it. Like think about that today. Like even back then 75% NFL players are smoking weed. What the [ __ ] are we talking about? We’re going to like act like this is a death sentence? Yeah, we are. Just blows my mind. No, it’s crazy, man. Everybody’s all good though. Shout out to Big Red. No, it worked out great. Worked out perfect. I just want everybody that drops in the draft for like whatever character concerns or whatever, if it ever pans out, they should just do that exact same character concern. Like, you should have just walked into signing your second deal with a blunt in your hand smoking at the side of the paper. So, what do I what do I sign this? I’m not condoning smoking weed, but unless you signed a multi-million deal and you want to say [ __ ] you to all the people that doubted you because you did smoke weed. I’m just signing the wrong parts of the contract. It’s like Travis, you didn’t sign a single line correctly. Travis, we said sign here. What? All right. Well, either way, um, the draft is in the books. 2025 draft is officially over. Now, we get to see if these guys are actually any good. And, uh, it’s going to be a lot of fun. All right. I, uh, I say we get out of this draft and, uh, toss it to the old Ben Affleck interview. Yep. Ben Affleck. Let’s go. Come on now. This is [ __ ] badass, dude. It’s awesome, man. It’s so It’s more fun now. Like you can do stuff where because like stuff like this had like people I listen to, people watch, people care about. It’s really fun to like talk to somebody, you know, guys I admire and like and I’m like this is [ __ ] great. It’s so much more interesting and it no wonder why that’s the [ __ ] that people actually want to see instead of the kind of same recycled [ __ ] that, you know, just gets old. I hear you, man. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you guys. No, complete honor, man. This is incredible. We are chopping it to bit, brother. Before we get started, I just got to let you know this is not a professional deal here. We We’re just going to kick it. We’re just going to [ __ ] kick it. Good, man. Yeah, I’m Believe me. That’s great. I love it. Jason, do the honors, my brother. Our guest today is writer, director, actor, producer from Berkeley, California. He’s got three times Golden Globes, two time BAFTAs, two times SAG awards, and is a two-time Academy Award winner. You know him from Goodwill Hunting, Armageddon, Argo, Gone Girl, The Town, Justice League, even Dunkin Donuts, Super Bowl commercials. That’s right. And now, the Accountant 2. That’s right. 92 Personas, please welcome Mr. Ben Affleck. What’s up? Best [ __ ] introduction ever know half that [ __ ] Thank you guys. Of course, man. It’s good to be here, man. It’s really good to be here. The first accountant. [ __ ] amazing. Absolutely amazing. Um Jason Jason, you can go ahead and tell them about uh about how you’re connected in that world and and everything. But I I was blown away by the by the messages sent, by just how cool everything came together. and you just felt how it ended that you had to do another one, right? It was just so I wanted to thank first of all, thank you very much. I I really like the first one and uh it it kind of like it did well and then it like built up. It kind of came out right as streaming uh started growing and then over time like you know more and more people watched and stuff and uh so I was really excited to do another one. I I love the new version. I think it’s even better than the first movie and uh I appreciate it, man. It’s a lot of [ __ ] lot of fun and it’s good to be here to talk about it. Well, I know you’ve been told this before from the first one and it the second one is is very very similar. Uh you do such a great job of portraying somebody on the spectrum. You can tell that you guys put so much time and effort into doing that properly. Show showcasing tools for how people that are on the spectrum deal with too much stimulus going on. What are different traits? How do they communicate? What is a uh you know what is the social interaction like? the dating scene from this second movie uh right off the gate. Oh my gosh. So good. But my wife uh works with uh kids on the spectrum. She was an instructional Aid for a long time. We do a lot of stuff in the autism community. So I’d be remiss if I did not say how awesome you do at and how you how much you guys have nailed it in both films. So well done. Thank you very much, man. I really that’s obviously the most important thing. It’s like look, this movie is is fun. It’s tense. It’s serious. It’s funny. But obviously kind of starts with like when they’re taking a role on like this and and you’re you’re going to kind of talk about like people about whom in particular there’s been some like misunderstandings or judgments or whatever. Like the goal is to for authenticity and respect and empathy and understanding. I I did a lot of research for the first one and I got I got really lucky in my life in the years between because I I got to develop some very close relationships with with people very much like my character and I that’s where I got like this people that enriched my life and I just got to know and and then I was like there’s so much joy and humor and rye humor and wisdom and so much beauty in in these these folks and and it’s like it’s a Great. I really felt like that was the most important thing to to bring that humanity up because yeah, sometimes if you have a more like neutral a effect, people might just assume, okay, well, they’re very serious or there’s not, you know, there’s not as much going on or they have the same feelings. And I have not found that at all to be true. It’s just a a slightly different way of of seeing the world and approaching it. And I really wanted to to bring that to this role both because I thought, you know, it hadn’t really been done in that way and and because I just came to to love, you know, in effect this this this character to the people that I knew. So I was like that when I by the time I got into this one, I was like, “No, no, no. I really understand this guy now.” I kind of guessed and fooled around and researched before and now I have it and I wanted people to to feel it, you know, and uh so thank you very much. and it means the world to me and it’s a very interesting um experience because like like you’re talking about like you know dealing with social cues like in some ways it’s just a slightly more elevated version of what we all kind of experience but hide more like beautiful things about people on spectrum is like they’re honest with you they will shoot you straight we all talk about how we want honesty truth is people want it if it’s what they want to hear you know somebody tells you the truth they don’t really want the truth truth you um there’s something wonderful about somebody I’m just going to tell you the truth about it. So don’t ask something that you don’t want an honest answer. Exactly. It was it was and and who have that that’s like we all kind of find like look you know the whole situ trying to date somebody and figure out like meet people flirt with them to kind of like cues and indications that people get like I think a lot of people have a little bit of difficulty trying to figure that out. Did I say the right thing? Did I come off stupid? This is just a more kind of in plain sight version of that. And what’s beautiful about it is like the vulnerability. Guy’s like trying to have a connection with his brother really. That’s the heart of it. He loves his brother but drives him [ __ ] crazy, you know? And so it’s about how do I figure that out, you know? And same with the relationships. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s awesome seeing that side of it with like the social interaction and and things where a lot of times people on the spectrum kind of struggle with, but then you also see the strengths of the character and obviously the ability to like process numbers and like make connections that nobody else is going to be able to do. So it’s just so well done. Have you have you ever embodied a a character as much as this? I mean, you’ve I mean, not really. There’s been a lot of characters. you you’ve gathered so many I mean you’ve you’ve had so many unbelievable movies but hearing you talk about this it sounds like you really like it was almost like a passion project this second time around. It was it was a very different thing the second time around. Um because just because of my life and what I and and the love I had developed and I was like so I was like dying to get going, you know. I was like remember the director like sat down with me and he was like so talk and I was like no no no this is what this scene’s about. No, this is how he’s feeling. No, he he’s not mad about that, you know, and I I just started to know kind of much more deeply about the guy. And that’s like, look, as a as an actor, you try to do as much research as you can, but you just it’s like cheating almost when you have real experience with something. You just bring a whole other level of of stuff to it. And and that’s what happened with this movie. And and it was fun. And also, honestly, John Bernthal is so genius. The guy, I love this guy. He’s a good man. He’s a great actor. He’s like good father. He’s just he’s a guy that I really became a very close friend of. I love the guy. and getting to play the scenes with him. Maybe that’s analogous to like, you know, another great player on the team. Like when you’re somebody at a super high level, it just changes everything where you’re like, “Oh, he already knows where I’m going to be. He already can see where I’m what I’m doing and he’s there.” And you know what I mean? It just makes you so much better. And that was a joy every day. Well, and is there It feels like a lot of the movies you’re in, there’s this incorporation of brotherhood. Obviously, that’s a literal brother in this movie, but I mean, Goodwill Hunting, like like uh The Town, like there’s like this this idea of friendship and brotherhood. That’s something that encompasses so well in a lot of the films you do. Uh but Bernthal’s phenomenal in this one as well. Yeah, he he is he’s great. And and yeah, yeah, that’s a theme that’s like really meaningful to me. And certainly like look, you know, when I was young and and like a lot of young guys before you you get older and have other kinds of responsibilities to get married, that kind of thing, like you’re oftentimes your male friends are your whole world, like your guys, your crew. That’s a big deal. And and it really means a lot to particularly to men and to how we kind of grow into real men and and those guys that we’re around shape and dictate that. I mean, I assume on a like, you know, a football team, it’s even more kind of profound. And so for me it was like I’ve always been interested in these like very close male friendships and how they can be [ __ ] they can define us, how they can be hard when they becomes like a conflict or when when part of what’s going on with another guy like it, you know, is a is a problem. But like for a lot of us, you know, particularly if you whether or not you had like a dad who was as present or around like that the period of time where that’s the center of your life and you’re socializing yourself in that way and and so that was a a big frame of reference for me and I think there’s a lot there’s like vulnerability in it and their strength and it’s it’s a big way that oftentimes I think you know kind of men learn to to grow into who who they’re going to be and so it’s a theme that I that I keep on coming back to. It’s also very you know very powerful. It’s like especially when you have like a group of guys like that and like when somebody is willing to tell you the truth or bring the way that things have been going and go like no this is [ __ ] up like that can be I think especially for men those kinds of relationships like a hugely powerful moment those are kind of the things that we remember and often times that like define us in my experience. You ain’t lying man. There’s been so many like iconic like right I don’t even want to go I hate listing like lines to guys who literally did this but like the town like when you go in there and you’re like I’m not telling you where or what we’re going for why we’re going there I just need you to know we’re it’s like deal we’re going we’re going right now it’s just like every every guy that has any close friends can relate to that story where it’s like dude I got my boys back no matter what is the case you don’t need to explain it you don’t need to tell me like we’re going to do something really hard is a big huge risk and I you don’t know what it is and I need your help that’s all okay we’re going to take it’s like that’s the only you know and I was trying to find I remember I shot that movie I was I was like I need really need a moment where we understand what kind of friendship he has with this guy so that when you know when when it starts to like get a lot of tension applied to it you understand how strong it is because it’s an internal thing the bond we feel right the connection and that that was like I found I was like he’s got to you that wanted something kind of, you know, extreme for that. So you go like, “Oh, these guys will follow each other anywhere.” Yeah. You know, absolutely. You’re dealing with something really powerful like this is the most important relationship in both of their lives. Y and that was, you know, I kind of lucked into that line. It was because kind of funny, you know, and extreme, but it does represent, I think, something that a lot of, you know, you see it, you see it in sports, you see it in the military, you see like you see it represented in some way, like, hey, I’ll go fight and die. Like I remember I did a training thing for a movie um with the army for two weeks which by the way was the hardest experience of my life. Two weeks is the long time training dude. If I wasn’t like so embarrassed about this boot campish I would have quit for sure. I’d be like I look terrible. You’re ringing the bell. Yeah. Totally. It was no joke. But I learned a lot of respect for it. And I remember the guys were like one of the things these guys would say is like you don’t die for a flag. You don’t die for an idea. you’re only going to die for your friend, your guy next to you. And that really stayed with me of like, oh yeah, I I get that. I get that that’s how these bonds get shaped and how you get these like teams and units to function this way. You know, it’s it’s very powerful. We have one last question for you before we move on. Um, could you actually file your own taxes? Do you file your own taxes? Just you just go into you go into a glass room and just start writing on the walls or what? probably I mean I yeah I could file them. I I might get arrested for TX. I could do that. I’m tempted to do that but you write a lot of things down. It’s not the right answer though. Oh god. So good man. Check out Accountant 2 in theaters right now. Ladies and gentlemen, 92enters. My dog Bet like [ __ ] killed it. We got to get into this sports fandom though, man. Ben, does the chair Does the chair you’re sitting in kind of lock like so it doesn’t swivel? Oh, you don’t want me doing this type of thing? We’re kind of you’re moving kind of in and out of frame. Oh, cuz it’s a third a third a third. Let me just try to [ __ ] sit still like you know what I mean? I can [ __ ] manage that. You know, instead lock me in the chair. You know what I mean? Hopefully I can manage that. I I’ll try to help you out. Oh my gosh. If that’s how you handle most of your guests, like can we tie him down? A this says a lot about what’s going on. You strap this [ __ ] guy to the chair or nothing. That’s how you lock it in. Oh man. All right. Let’s get to some sports fandom, man. Boston’s sports fan for life, I’m assuming. Man, you’ve uh and it’s all the sports up there, man. You got baseball, basketball, football, hockey, all of them. Uh Boston’s been spectacular um especially through the 90s, 2000s, and right now. This is a sports podcast, so let’s jump into some uh NFL draft will happen by the time this airs. Do you have like a favorite in this draft? Are you that in tune with like the guys coming out? I’m that dialed in where I’m like I can tell [ __ ] guys combine numbers and [ __ ] You know what I mean? I just hear about like who looks good like I’m not that into especially kind of like when Tom left New England and that whole thing. It was like I had to step back from I was kind of like I stopped the [ __ ] start stopped making sense to me and I kind of didn’t know who but kind of like took started watch the NFL like more casually. I used to be more into like who we going to get, who’s the draft pick and now I kind of find myself a little conflicted. So I I can’t give you certainly any any great uh detail on the draft though although I bet you guys uh can I’m curious to know like do you think there’s a there’s like more insight that you have in terms of like upcoming players? Like do you think there really is a skill and expertise to being like seeing how a guy will develop or is everybody based just looking at the same [ __ ] numbers, stat sheets, combine, you know, numbers and that kind of thing? There’s there’s definitely a a process and some guys hit it out hit like they like hit home runs during the interview process. Like if you can’t show the teams that you’re going to be like a great teammate, a great professional, like you’re just kind of like a guy that likes to just play football. Like, but if you can go in there and show that you’re going to be professional, you’re going to have a like a routine, you’re going to be, you know, how important is that really? Like, I know you they say that [ __ ] all the time. He’s a good clubhouse guy, all that stuff. But like, have you seen it make a real difference? And does it make a difference to somebody who’s looking at player go, this guy’s for real, you know, his commitment, all that stuff. I think the guys that we brought in in Kansas City, you know, have been those guys, the guys that have had immediate success and found a way to get a second contract here, those are the guys that they want. It’s the build the building. I’ve been here from the jump uh like 13 years ago before Coach Reed even got here. They didn’t have that kind of chemistry and kind of like culture in the building. It kind of took like five or six years for them to bring in the guys they wanted that had that professionalism and that like enjoyment in the building coming in to work every single day. And once we finally got that, it just it it’s changed the trajectory of the program. And winning helps that too. when you the more success you have and the more wins, the more people genuinely buy in. I mean, that’s one of the things that Bill and Tom did so well for so long in New England. Like, nobody’s going to come in there questioning how stuff’s done when you got that type of success. So, it affords you a great culture even with guys that might not maybe if they were at another situation, they wouldn’t be the same type of guy. But, I think for me, I’ve started to look at guys coming out more because now that I’m done, I try to help out or that’s my way to kind of stay involved. I never looked at a lot of college guys. It’s hard, man. It’s hard to evaluate and see guys and uh tell which guys are going to be the ones that pan out. Um, as a player, you you you watch it and you can’t help but think of guys that they remind you of and the way they move and the the the times and like the measurables. Those are all parameters that you kind of take into account. Like, you know, if there’s a center with less than 32 in arms, that’s a red flag. If there’s a tackle with less than 34 in arms, you like there’s a certain like minimum amount that you want. But then after that, I like watching the tape and seeing like how does a guy bend? How does what is his quickness? What what are his moves? What is how does the offensive lineman use his hands? And then you’re trying to think of like, you know, what is coachable and correctable? There’s some of guys that you watch, you can almost tell that they’re smart players by the angles that they take. Like, oh, this guy gets football. He knows where the ball’s going and he’s advanced. And other guys are just they look like they’re running in the middle of the field. Like, dude, do you have any idea like what’s happening right now? like yours. It’s really interesting to hear you guys talk about it because it actually does remind me because I thought it completely different and it reminds me a lot of of of directing movies actually which seems weird maybe but like like when you said a yeah establishing some success goes a long way towards buyin where like it was more difficult for me to convince people like hey come on down this road I know early on I know what I’m doing because I could see you guys kind of like [ __ ] you know what you’re you know what I mean like I don’t [ __ ] you know what you’re doing you might leading me down the wrong road, you know, and and kind of get us all bucked up. And I kind of like I noticed that as the, you know, movie come out and people would like it and stuff, it was people came to me with more openness. You know, I don’t know if Randy Moss would show up with the same openness that he showed up with, but he started to get towards that. And the other thing is that that thing of like I really do believe that there’s like kind of a flow state with act with with sports, all that stuff. And a part of it is that thing of like am I comfortable? Am I at ease? Do I feel like like I can kind of do my thing? It kind of basically that kind of buyin that you talked about, you know, in Kansas City about creating a culture. Yeah, I do think that that makes a huge difference. And sometimes I see people looking at me like I’m crazy if I’ll say like you got to have not just a great cameraman, like great dolly. You got to have an environment where all the people there are kind of filmmakers and they understand what’s important and everybody feels like they’re they share a culture of valuing like certain things about what we’re trying to do. And I I guess it’s interesting because I often thought those things were kind of cliches that guys said when they had to talk to the media or whatever, but to hear it articulated by the two professional guys who’ve done it actually made a lot more sense to me. I’m like, “Oh, this is the same thing.” Like you want people to share certain values and recognize what’s important here, how we do this here. You know, I I get that. And I I wonder though about like with with football or, you know, even other sports, it seems to me that part of the trick is figuring out who’s going to keep growing and develop. Yeah. Who’s going to stay kind of static? You know what I mean? Have you noticed any particular attributes that is it people who can like who who can tolerate like who can’t tolerate failure but can get back up when they fail and get get after it again? Is it like is resilience the the principal thing? Is it just like some people are lucky and they just keep getting better? Like have you found any common traits? I feel like you just you I think a lot of that uh is is dealt with when you have great culture, great coaches in in hand because then you got somebody that they respect, a person that’s that that needs to like grow as a player. They they have somebody that they respect that is challenging them. Like a guy like me, I had Coach Reed since the beginning of my career sitting there just kind of hitting me on the head telling me don’t do this, don’t do this, keep doing that, keep doing that. and you you slowly start to like find your own professionalism inside of the culture, right? And then now you know how to add to that culture and you know and you know how to like build that culture even even more once you start to figure out, you know, the rights and the wrongs and what you should and shouldn’t be doing. Mhm. But at at the same time, Coach Reed has also grown a lot since since I’ve been there in terms of letting the players kind of be more of themselves off the field. He would have never let me [ __ ] do this podcast at the beginning of my career. He would have told Yeah. No. How about no? How about uh you just focus on football, bud? Yeah. But it’s it’s definitely I I feel like I feel like a lot of that is you you have to have that drive and that love for the game to want to keep getting better and and that goes along with guys that are coming into the building or or guys in the draft. You got to you got to see it on the field. You got to see them love to compete and then you have to see them love to work for the on their craft throughout and that kind that’s kind of where it comes um more of like a juggling match is like you you only know that word of mouth. You don’t really know what they’re doing uh behind the scenes. So, how much of a hardcore [ __ ] like um coach you like do you respond to? Cuz I like like say I think like do you want a guy who’s like [ __ ] right in your face and be like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Don’t you you know or do you want somebody that’s giving you that like hey you know you can get better here there like where do you think that sweet spot is for you? I can respond to either one of those. I think coaches should be genuinely who their personalities are. Like if you’re a fired up dude and you kind of [ __ ] that’s kind of how you do it and I I can respond great to that. If you’re like very reserved, but you’re honest and articulate and you communicate really well, I can respond well to that. The big thing is like I want to be coached. Like I want to be told when I’m doing things like what can I do to get better? And I think to your point of like how do some guys improve? How do uh you know some guys a master potential like Kobe Bryant came and talked to the Eagles one time and one of the things he said was like one of his notes to all the young guys was be curious, keep asking questions, keep trying to get better. like this. There’s some guys that come in with just like this insatiable appetite to become better even though they might have downturns and they might have to like have that resiliency and like we’ve all dealt with that in our careers and it sucks in the moment but you realize at the end it makes you so much better because you learn from it and you learn like dude why was I using my hands that way if I just would have done this this way like and now I’m doing it and it’s leading to more success and of course there needs to be great coaching and potential there to begin with, but that trade of like just this this insatiable desire to like be the best version of a football player you can be is like the biggest thing to me. Um, and that’s hard. Yeah, it’s hard to pick of guys coming out. Like, who knows? Those are those intangibles where it’s like you kind of lean on coaches that you know that know them. Like there’s you talk to people in the in the in the in the in the universities that they’re at like, “Hey, I know this coach there and I know he will be honest with me about this guy’s temperament.” But that’s a that’s a tough one to gauge. That’s a hard thing, too, cuz you’re calling somebody up, they’re in the spot where like what they’re going to tell you is going to dictate somebody’s future. It’s like, you know, been experienced or somebody calls you about a job recommendation for somebody even if you’re like, “Ah, I don’t know if he’s” But you, it feels bad to say that. Like I what I used to do is like say good things about everybody because I felt bad and then I have people come back to me man you told me this guy know oh [ __ ] now I’m not doing you a service you know what I mean so you like had to learn that that lesson one of the things I see like in our line of work is um the people who I really respect the most who I think are the best have this combination of the wanting to be great which is a sense of like yeah I can be great but also a certain humility that’s like I got to keep looking at my mistakes. Dude, I’m willing to look at your I have said this so much better. Selfie eval baby. I I have said this so much. Every great player that I know is the right amount of insecure. Like they aren’t happy with like who It’s not like they’re not happy with the other, but they’re like, I don’t like I need to improve this. I don’t like me this version of me here. I don’t know if I’ve ever watched a game where I’m just like nice. I’m satisfied. I’ve always watched a game like you [ __ ] idiot. Yeah. Why didn’t I just do this better? You [ __ ] suck. Yeah, that’s the biggest thing is like there’s people who are cool with good enough and people who they didn’t make the choice. I think me it just drives me crazy. People like, “Oh, we’re good.” I’m like, “It’s not good.” You know what I mean? It’s not It just makes me feel No. And then when you get next to somebody else who also has that kind of demand, you know, and maybe he’s coach or it’s another person that you’re working with, you kind of feel like, “Okay, this person’s going to go on this ride with me.” And and I do think it’s just some personal some people are like I checked the box. I did what I had to do and there’s a kind of I like in the great athletes that I’ve had a chance opportunity to know like sometimes I feel like it’s a little bit of a curse because they know they still don’t feel happy. Like they always guys who feel like whatever it is isn’t enough and they kind of like they don’t seem like the most comfortable happy people to me. So I’m like I love the idea of being great and I admire I wish I was like this guy. What are you talking about? You’re talking I wish I could fair enough. All right. I wish I could do that. That looks awesome, right? Like anybody who watches sports, part of that’s like it would be awesome if I could do that. You know what I mean? Like that’s at the root of it. You’ve done something. You know how hard it is. You see guys doing at that level of excellence really appreciate it. And for me, I’ve you know that that’s the thrill of it. You know why you want to see the top level performance. Why are people obsessed with winning? because it it represents who the very best are. And I think that goes to the root of our like evolutionary nature. Like you want to go hunt for your food. You want to you like you got to find the best hunter cuz that’s survival. Next to that person, your team is your tribe. It’s your village. You know, it’s like it’s tied to whether you’re going to live or die. Yeah. And the great ones, they they they’re like unhappy with where they’re at or a little bit insecure with where they’re at, but they also have the confidence that they’re that they can achieve it. You know what I Like there’s this like level of like if you think you suck but you don’t think you have the confidence to get there, you’re never going to make it. And if you think you’re great but you don’t really know where you’re at, you’re going to get your ass kicked eventually. Definitely like I’m a genius. I have nothing to learn, right? Like you can get annihilated. Yes. But most guys, okay, it’s like I don’t know if you guys drive a motorcycle. When I was learn I was doing this like motorcycle school and they taught me this thing about you you sit back on the hard or what dude? Mostly like race bikes, you know what I mean? Like and it teach you like as you’re in a turn, you have to look through the turn. In other words, you can’t look at what’s in front of you. You have to look where you’re where you’re going to go. And if you actually the way guys get into accidents a lot of time is they get into a turn, it’s steeper than they thought. You get scared you’re going to hit the wall. So you look at the wall and then you do hit it. And so to have that confidence to like look all the way through even when you get halfway there and you’re like like the bike can do more than you think it can trust it and look all the way through it. There’s always that moment like you say of like I believe I can get there even if it’s really hard. You know what I mean? Absolutely. That is I think a key part of it and you probably experience or develop that belief because you’ve you have to have done it a few times. Oh, I can get better or I can. And maybe that’s rooted in talent or whatever, but there’s definitely that those I I find it fascinating those kind of intangibles and and I think there’s, you know, you got to ask the guys who are great themselves because I think those are people who really understand. I was going to say, speaking of the great ones, getting back to some of this Boston fandom, baby, the Celtics are are, you know, defending their title. Obviously, Boston sports everywhere is amazing. Um, and has been amazing. Who’s your favorite uh athlete, Boston athlete of all time? Of all time. That is hard, man. Like I get, you know, Brady is definitely might it have to he’d have to be I don’t know how you do a list that he’s not at the top of, but also when I was younger, you know, when I was a kid, like that’s when you’re like I mean you I would live or die. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. You know, crying if they lost the game and that was like Larry Burn. Larry Legendary. And my son’s always like, “Man, daddy Birds suck.” What are you talking about? Put the highlights on. Put the highlights on. Listen, I’m I’m with turning on some film back in like all the all the Hey Dave, these old guys are looking at what the new basketball looks like. I’m like, I don’t know if some of them could play. Larry could play. Larry could easily have made the transition into today’s basketball. For Boston, that was such a big deal cuz they were there. It’s like this basically like a small town with a kind of a small town mindset. as for the Celtics to be and that’s you know going back obviously like Bill Russell days and all that like the Celtics were the the Boston’s original entrance into like the national conversation that you know what I mean the Red Sox always lost the Patriots were [ __ ] terrible my father like basically was a football bookie at a bar used to come up my first VCR washing machine he was like Jim Punket you know quarterback in the NFL everybody betting on New England and he’s that was like back in the days like when I grew up they blacked the games out on TV because to get them to get people to go to the stadium. Yep. Yeah. They were like, “Fuck, you can’t watch it on TV if you don’t go down there.” So, you couldn’t even watch the games. It was that like it was a a grind of an era for football, you know? Um, but it was but but so th that’s the era that I really, you know, when all these like childhood sports memories were kind of formed and and I love those Celtics team, but I also love that like, you know, that the that the that Celtics team that came out and won the the championship out here and obviously Tatamman’s team, incredible, you know, but Red Sox 04 that was a big big one, you know what I mean? and and that was a huge moment especially after 03 they got they got they lost to New York in the playoffs and it was humiliating and u and that was a great team and that was right at the time where I was still young enough I was like going out I knew some of those guys you know hung out with them a little bit experience of being like oh this is what’s really going on youincinnat all they were great guys. And so it’s like, “Oh, I I know some of these guys, you know, was always at a distance.” And it’s a great sports town. I mean, it’s probably tough to play in because they’ll, you know, they turn on you in a minute. There’s always somebody, you know, complaining about a game if they lost. But I feel like the guys that really want to play and win are like, “Okay, you know, hold me to that standard. That’s the standard I hold myself to, you know, at least that’s what I tell myself.” But I don’t know. All right, there we go. Boston, do they live and die by the Celtics? What’s their biggest fandom of all the major sports? If you can get one championship for one organization and but the next three don’t win for a decade, which one are you going? Damn, that’s a good one. Or which one would make Boston the happiest? That’s tough. I mean, it’s different. It’s interesting because there are fans, first of all, since the Patriots became so successful, they became like more than what like Dallas was in the 90s. like, oh, they win and they all killing teams and it was like they got a little spoiled cuz the thing that I thought built character about New England was that like it felt like they always lost, you know what I mean? So, if you were a fan, you were a real fan cuz they’d have these heartbreaking losses and you had like a few real scrappy [ __ ] teams like Bobby Ward, you know, baby and it was like that was back when they played, you know, hockey with no helmets and just fought half the game like snapshots missing all their teeth. Exactly. The [ __ ] best. And so there’s different parts of the city in the state and stuff that that kind of go towards different um that like like hockey fans are kind of a certain sort of group. And then football is kind of I mean the Red Sox were the original one, but I definitely what’s happened now I think in the last in my lifetime is that for better for worse I I I think this is true. I don’t want to like you know but baseball is not the national pastime anymore. It’s at the NFL like that has displaced it right now. I mean, you could don’t have to look any further than the football team, like what do the teams sell for? What do the t the TV rights to the NFL now mean everything. If you’re a television network and you don’t have the NFL, you don’t even really have a TV. You’re missing out because you have no reason to watch, you know, your like appointment [ __ ] televisions. That’s why they’re spending all this money on and yeah, the college college basketball contracts and stuff like sports have become more important in a way. And I think football, the NFL is I think without question like America’s sport and and it’s uh and it and not basketball’s huge too. And it is really like the NBA. We were t we were trying to tell LeBron this during the Christmas games. We’re like the NFL [ __ ] took that [ __ ] over. Yeah. You know why though? Because they have 82 games. That’s it’s a big thing. That’s the other thing. It’s like it become baseball 162 games. It was the first time we had played on Christmas. So, everybody was kind of excited to watch the NFL on Christmas. No, but I think you’re right. I mean, the the NBA, uh, NHL, Major League Baseball, they all came up when the the way to make money was having more games because you increase ticket sales. And now all the money is who’s tuning in. And if you want people to tune in, you could have sell no tickets to NFL. that makes this, you know, meaningful cuz now baseball teams, you talk about like a lot of these baseball teams in local markets like even like Kansas City, you know, you their rights that they’re selling uh their games to the television networks has shrunk to like pretty surprisingly low numbers. So, they’re making all their money at the gate. That’s it. That’s that that I think, you know, it’s part of it’s because the fan base has grown older for baseball and football and basketball, you know, really attract uh new and younger fans and I think they’ve uh displaced it and I think New England’s no different. I think the Patriots probably became certainly with, you know, Tom and Bill and that they they were the the dominant uh sports. The Red Sox right there because they won the World Series in 407 and stuff, but and I don’t know. I think this I think basketball I think basketball’s probably like a very close second. Did all my Well, we’re going to get to this. We got a ask section we’re going to do here. We just kind of rapid fire questions at you. Uh oh. You are not I mean you can you don’t have to answer. You can tell us to [ __ ] off. We kind of appreciate it. You famously refused to wear a Yankees hat in the movie Gone Girl. Is this still something that you refuse to do on screen? Like will you What is it going to take to get you? I would have I would not be interested in doing that. Like do that. that, you know what I mean? Like I love it. I mean, also to to be fair, I was I was explaining to David like it just it’s going to become like he’s a big football fan. He’s not as tuned to baseball, right? It’s obsessed with football and Madden and like the dude’s the greatest Madden player, David Fincher, I have ever seen, which is [ __ ] weird to me. But I was like, “Okay, I guess he’s great at everything. That’s amazing.” He did he I was like, “It’s going to be a distraction that you don’t want.” Like a stupid side story wearing a Yankees hat. Like, trust me. and he was he kind of um I think he got he was kind of [ __ ] with me. That is [ __ ] hilarious. Well, all right. Well, if you were to wear maybe a Chiefs or Eagles hat, which one would you wear? Don’t put me in the spot like that. Um I will say I have to say because my Billy Goldberg upstairs is who is my uh the editor that I along with Chris House that I’ve worked with my whole career and is probably responsible for a large part of my career is the biggest fan. Yeah, baby. you does not ever hurt to be a Philly football game. It’s I have to say Philly has the at least going Boston like for me Philly has like the intense [ __ ] tradition where like and like Bradley Cooper is a friend of mine loves the Philly. So I’m like I’d have to go with the with the Phillies on that. Hell yeah. Go Birds. Go Birds, baby. Also, the Philly fans will kick your ass if you don’t wear, you know what I mean? In Kansas City, they’re like, “Oh, that’s cool.” You know what I mean? You got to kind of stick together. You’re way out there in the middle of this the country like come on out here have some good time. We want to see some intensity. They’re like a polite and Midwestern and [ __ ] They’ll be nice to you. [ __ ] chains stomp you and you Oh gosh. We heard that you once uh got to run routes with Tom Brady. All right. What was it like? What was that like? Did you How many completions did we get? What were you running? What kind of routes were you running? I won’t lie to you. I don’t know if they have a name. I’m sure I disgraced every receiver that’s ever run around, but to this day, aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest. I was like, “Dude, are you?” He was like, “I need someone to play catch with.” Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him. And he was like, “You want to come down?” And I was like, “Oh, this was so this was legit. This was as legit as it gets.” You were helping Tom get ready for the season. I don’t know how much I was helping him. I think he was like he was like, I’m going to [ __ ] blow this dude’s work. And we literally got down there and first he’s like, you know, I’m going to he’s like, “Okay, go out here. Turn around. Turn around.” And I’m like running fast as I can. Turn around. I feel so Look at him. Look, he’s been waiting 45 minutes. You know, [ __ ] guns me. I’m like I caught it cuz I was afraid of breaking my nose more than anything else. And then after a few of those, he’s like, “All right, we’ll put some hair on it.” I was like, “No, no, no, no. It’s already It’s already playing fast. Yeah, that was what I was about to ask you. That’s what I was about to ask you. Did he actually spin it? Like he ripped you a couple. You going to home him now? You know what I found was that like in a way you catch it out of self-defense. I didn’t even think I was, you know, and I found myself with the football just like Yes. fight or flight reflexes. But the greatest moment of that experience was he was like after we played, you know, he had me running around. I’m you know, he throw me the ball and and it was amazing, right? It was like a like I felt like a 10-year-old kid. He’s like, “Okay, come here.” And I get to him and he’s like, “It’s the Super Bowl. Fourth quarter. We got 23 seconds. It’s fourth and 18 hours.” I love this knowh. Dude, this is this is why he’s the best. This is why he’s the best. This is his mindset, dude. He was amazing, dude. He He goes, “And just run straight. Don’t turn around.” And I was like, he’s like and I’m going to get you the ball in the end zone. I was like, don’t turn around. He was like, don’t look back. So I I’m like, and I believe like he told me, I was like, I’m in the Super Bowl. Nobody around. So he’s like, look, look, calls it out. I you know, like it was in and I start running. I don’t look back. I’m sure to him it seemed like this. He’s like, I never seen somebody run in slow motion. Like to me, go as fast as you can go. And but I’m like wondering when’s this ball going to show up and I look I just feel it like right out in front of me and it was a little far for me. I think he was like he probably adjusted back up. You know what? And I reach out and I have to go off extend. I [ __ ] catch turn around like I won the [ __ ] running at me like this. It was incredible. I called everybody I knew for two days. I was on the so call me and I went down and got I think they thought I was lying to them. So they got but it was like the nicest thing anyone’s ever done for me and I lived a full life of dreams right in that whatever it was hour of playing catch. You had a real life. You had a real life sand live moment. You were smalls dude. Just put that glove. So good. I’m going to get it to you in the end zone. I mean, and it’s like when you look at I felt like this is exactly what he looks like when it really is the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? Like, and he’s one of those guys going back to that thing. I like I’ve often wondered because he seems so relaxed, like oddly relaxed. I’ I’ve often wondered if that’s part of it, like just not, you know, when everyone else has that anxiety because it’s, you know, whatever 20 seconds to go in the fourth quarter. If you can have that like calm and that awareness, I think it’s a huge huge advantage. There’s a story, I don’t know if it’s true, about Joe Montana that uh the Super Bowl, he threw the cash to White Clark and the play before that he got to the huddle and he was looking into the stands and they were and the team came back and they were like, “What?” He goes, “Hey, look over there. Is that John Candy?” Candy. And they and they just like turn back around, but he was like looking over to be like, “Oh [ __ ] that’s John Candy. All right, [ __ ] it. Let’s go.” Like, you know what I mean? Like he was he was just casual. And I feel like that always made sense. If you’ve ever met Joe Montana, that’s a smooth son of a buck right there. He’s a cool cat, man. He’s he’s a laid-back dude. I believe it. Are you Are you sick and tired of uh having to look at Matt Damon’s abs? Damn. Every I just did the went to the premiere every interviewer like they were giving me some like that they found the secret of life like whips out of 8 by10 Matt what is that was like this dude is out there one time he got in shape and the whole world worked out one time he’s out there flexing his nuts off with his you know but you know I just it looks good it ain’t easy when you touch 50 you boys will see I hear you man he’s calling everybody tell him where he’s going I’m going to be on this beach and this He’s like, “Make about to have a Big Mac.” So good. Dude, you guys you guys lived together in Boston your first year or or growing up, I should say. I say first year, but growing Yep. We we were friends of the same block. We lived together in LA. We we’ve been friends since we were little kids. Yeah, dude. That’s so [ __ ] cool. Me and me and Jason uh were living together at Cincinnati and obviously we grew up together. I under I know what it’s like to like hang out with your homies and like be in the same house as you like. How [ __ ] cool. Were you guys just [ __ ] throwing cool ass ideas back and forth to each other? Like I don’t know how cool they were, you know? I don’t know. We were just like [ __ ] dumb enough to think it would work out for us. You know, that’s that kind of like belief that like Yeah, that’s part of the gift of being young is you don’t really see that like this could end bad. no one hires, you know, like we have like we it might not work. We always kind of had a certain like, hey, we go out there. I don’t know. It was a combination of not knowing anyone who had done it or it seemed very far away and and also going like, yeah, [ __ ] it. We’re going to move out to LA and this we’re going to try this thing and we’re going to go after it. But I I I was I’m curious because for for me I found that I see a lot of other people who who’ve had success and you know the kind of sort of light turns on you and all of a sudden it’s a very different experience dayto day and people act different and [ __ ] is weird especially like I you know when people this that first the beginning of that transition and I really credit you know my ability to kind of stay sane to to having like my best friend who was doing it too and being able to be like is this [ __ ] bananas or what like crazy to get someone else like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like why you acting like that or whatever it is you know cuz everyone other people want to might want to kiss your ass or whatever it is. I wonder if you had the same thing you guys like you know NFL guys and you’re like but you know you’re not the only one in your town that you know that that’s that one kid who becomes a big star and everyone you know like you had each other. Did that was that I was I was lucky I just got to follow this guy’s footsteps. I was just doing whatever the [ __ ] he did and I was I was benefiting from the guy already paving the way for me. But um it was definitely cool once we got to the league how we could bounce things off of each other especially cuz we were in two different cities, two different buildings. And it’s like I don’t know. I I we also had coach Reed. He got drafted by Coach Reed in Philly than I did in Kansas City. So it was really me just like confirming that what I was doing was the right thing to do to Jason. Jason was kind of just, you know, figuring it out as he went. Did you think that because he did it made it easier for you because you were like, “Oh, if my brother can do it.” 1,000%. Jason came in and was like one of the most professional guys in Philly. I’ve heard the stories through everybody in that building because half of them came to Kansas City and they were like, “Man, if you just lock in and do what your brother did, you’ll be just fine.” I think that’s a big deal, man. Oh, no. Are you kidding me? Guy’s a [ __ ] But I just got to follow his footsteps. Stop. All right. I I but I I I really do think you’re on to something with like you you and Matt going through it together and like Travis and I and like you know as you know as you have more success there’s more people that come around you that don’t really know you and they just want to like tell you how great you are or whatever and because you represent like a job or some status to somebody or whatever it is. So, they’re going to tune into that cuz they want it, you know, or they see you on camera or they see Travis and I doing this or on um on TV and they think they know us, but like to have these relationships that predate all of that other stuff is like it’s hard to like replicate that with like whether it’s friends, family members, and you end up really holding on to those and they and they end up meaning a lot more and it helps you kind of keep your sense of self. For sure. Undoubtedly. Absolutely, man. It’s that is true words are never spoken like it’s very hard to have the same quality relationship in a way with somebody in trust like because it’s a big difference like the people that I grew up with who their relationship I know those relationships were based on me and that person they didn’t have to do with anything else and that’s never a thing that you can take for granted after that point which isn’t to say I think everybody’s trying to you but it changes things and and part of it maybe it makes us wonder more like okay why does this person, you know, want to be like I remember I had the best thing that ever happened to me was I got successful and then I hit a really uh like bad patch. Like I had a bunch of movies that didn’t work. I was in a bunch of tabloids and I was like it was I was I thought okay this may be over for me and what happened was a lot of that [ __ ] went away and I was like oh I’m not that funny. uh I don’t have that many friends actually like you know it was a whole I used to say this something like this and people would laugh like it the world changed and I could feel I didn’t represent the same thing to people and I I recalibrated and was like okay I get it these relationships are largely what they are you know they’re not really authentically based on the you know me and this person and that’s okay you you don’t need that many friends you just need a few really good friends and not every relationship is going to be really authentic close friendships some things are just like work relationships or whatever it may be. That helped me kind of get it, you know, and it was a really it was just a really helpful moment. And I think sometimes people like in sports you look at you tend to have this this career trajectory like come in, it goes great, everything’s amazing and like the last couple years, okay, all right, now I’m going to retire. And then after that, like some guys I come across, you know, more maybe you could tell me if it’s true or not, like have a hard time adjusting after that because they’re like, wait a second, you know, this life is so different now. 100%. That’s legit. A lot of guys, you got to try and find a uh a a career after sports while you’re still doing it, man. But speaking of work relationships, we got some Dunkin Donuts here, baby. My god, dude. That’s the Super Bowl commercial was [ __ ] legendary, dude. Yes. Thanks, dude. So good. That thick ass Boston accent. That [ __ ] was [ __ ] gold. If I go to Duncan and say, uh, I want the Affleck, what’s the order? Get the [ __ ] out of here. Uh, no. The my order is the iced coffee and I like the chocolate glazed donut, but you know, um, I don’t think they memorialized it as my order, you know what I mean? Like it’s, you know, but it was fun. It was like nice thing about that with Duncan was like they let us and we our our company our second company became the ad agency and started building these commercial stuff and now we kind of broadened it out to a couple of other brands as well. And we they kind of were like okay you know because my belief is like you want to get the connection with whatever the culture or the person is like and this is in theory not having to do with me like but let them have a voice in what they’re creating. So like let them participate. So, you know, when we had like Ice Spice or Kristen Wig or or Tom Brady, like don’t come at them with a script and lines like you know what your fans want to see. You know what people connect to about you like bring that to this thing and people are so much more comfortable and better because they like you don’t lock people into some stupid line and posing with the product and it just and now people know that [ __ ] is just artificial and it doesn’t work, you know? So, could not agree more. That’s awesome, man. Excuse for letting us [ __ ] around and act stupid and No, but you’re right. it comes across so much more authentic and like even like you know when when we’ve done advertisements when when you as the person behind it and the face a part of it when you’re actually contributing to like what the thing ends up being it feels more real to you. So of course it’s going to feel more real to the people watching it. So, I think that makes a lot of sense. It’s your taste like that’s infor athletes, whatever it is, like your persona, yourself. Like, that’s the thing that that means something people. They’re connecting to you in that way. And like you kind of want to be like if you’re not consistent with it because brand is trying to force something on you, people vibe, but they’re like, “That’s not why I like this this guy or this woman. I don’t you know what I mean?” And so, it it doesn’t even work. But, it’s fun when you when you get it right and you have a good time. Hell yeah. [ __ ] yeah. Well, it [ __ ] killed it. And um I’m not going to lie, I’m [ __ ] smacking some cans every time they got those new blueberry ones or the They’re new to me. Blueberry [ __ ] game changer. Kylie had a box of them. Kylie had a box of them the other week and I was like, you know what? I’ve been on this diet. I’ve been trying to slim down, but I couldn’t resist. I rein I took a bite. They make you feel good about I took a bite. I didn’t even know that blueberry existed. I was like, what the what the [ __ ] is this? It’s funny. I just had my first one the other day and I was like, damn, this is [ __ ] good. I thought I knew all the [ __ ] that was, you know, but they got that [ __ ] figured out. New discovery here. Yeah, they do. They’ll probably be like, “It’s been there for years and I’m just a dumbass that hasn’t had it.” But anyways. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Me, too. They’re like, “Well, you make commercials for them.” Didn’t know about the blue. Hey, Ben, thank you so much for joining us, man. This has been awesome. I know you got stuff to do. Such a pleasure, man. I’m such a big fan. You guys are the best. And and uh it’s it’s really a pleasure and honor. So much fun. Like I I can’t tell you how much I rather be like hanging out and talking with you guys than uh you know kind of just doing the same old thing. This is great. Awesome, man. Thank you. Let’s do Let’s do it again when you when you have another one that’s hidden. We got so many more questions. We don’t even have to do it on camera. It was fun just chopping it up with you, man. I’ll give you better answers off. Awesome. You’re the Ben Affleck. Thank you. Thank you. I’m out later. Ben Affleck. Dude, what a legend, man. You ain’t lying. I mean, I’ve always been a fan of him as an actor, but then you get to talk to the guy. You get to see how driven he is. You could tell just talking to him how much he cares about just everything he does, how much he’s always trying to figure out how other people have success. It was just an alltime combo. And his mind works so much faster than mine. His neurons are [ __ ] connecting. They’re firing quick. dude is he’s a special human being, man. That show is awesome. Make sure you go check out uh Captain 2. It’s pretty damn good movie. You’ll enjoy it. Yes, you will. All right, now let’s get out of the house. Man, we haven’t hit this segment in a while because Jason just had his fourth child. It’s the first time he uh he got out of the house in a in a long time. This is all true. Jason, how was it? What’d you do, Travis? I was with you. What are you talking about? We both went to Oh, we’re talking about that. Oh, yeah. Well, we uh we headed over to one of my favorite golf tournaments of all time at the Justin Timberlake 8 a.m. golf tournament in Viva Las Vegas where um I just can’t seem to lose. I just never lose in Vegas, man. There’s something about Las Vegas. It’s just, you know, it’s kind of where I feel at home. It’s been good to you. Especially at the wind. Especially at the win. More so at the wind than anywhere else. And oh my gosh, look at those jokes. You got to show that. Wow. I didn’t know. Uh I didn’t know that’s what it looked like. Oh my god. It’s a solid uh solid C cup. D’s maybe. Is my nipples are my nipples hard? Oh my god. Why are my nipples hard, dude? Oh my goodness. Oh my gosh, dude. Those are your nips. In fairness, I think it was a little cold. Those are just the thermostats working. It was a little breezy that day. That’s why Santino’s got the sweater on. Dude, you might need to go get some tint reduction, dude. No, no, no. I’m I’m a fan of them. I’ve always Oh, man. Dude, that is hilarious. That’s aggressive. God damn, that just made my day. What was your favorite part of the weekend, Jason? My favorite part of the weekend, I don’t know. I mean, getting to hang out with my brother, a bunch of awesome people. No, it’s it was a fun event. I mean, listen, you’re at the win in Las Vegas at like this unbelievable golf course, playing with a bunch of the coolest people on the planet. It was freaking awesome. And uh you know, we got to meet Justin Timberlake, uh a million other people that were there to all uh yeah, be together and have a good time. And it was just it was done right. I always love going to these golf outings. We’re 8 a.m. in particular for this outing. Uh the people at the Tahoe outing, they just do such a great job at organizing it, getting everything set up. Oh yeah. Um it was just really wellrun combined with great people. So yeah, I had a blast, dude. So much fun. You got uh thrown into a group with um with two of my favorite human beings on the face of this earth, Taylor Parsons and Blake Griffin. And uh I was with another one of my favorite people on this earth, Andrew Santino. And I’m not going to lie, man. Santino was he is a stick. He’s good. I haven’t seen him play this good in in a while, man. There was there was a there was a few shots where he was just absolutely dialed in. He was sinking putts. Yeah, it’s fun to watch. Dude, he was sinking putts. I was not sinking putts. Me, uh, Blake and Chandler had great vibes. I was really struggling. My first putt, I think, was like a 10-ft putt that I putt legitimately 5T to the point that everyone audibly laughed behind me. You got like somebody legitimately said, “That can’t be serious.” It was like It was straight from Happy Gilbert. Like I hit it and I was like, “Oh no, that thing is going nowhere.” And it doesn’t help it out that you have that putter. What are you talking about? It’s a Scotty Cameron freaking It’s a like It’s the best putter on the planet. I’m not trying to hear this. That putter is from the beginning of golf. Okay, that’s how you know it’s good. It’s made It’s survived for a very long time. It’s a great putter. It survived. Why? Just Just because nobody lost it. Now, people have been playing it and it’s it’s a putter that’s stood the test of time. It’s classic. Yeah. It’ll only get you halfway to the hole, though. Well, that’s if you’re a Jamoke like myself and you haven’t ever you didn’t practice any putts before they hook you around. There you go. One of my favorite uh experiences from the weekend is always the karaoke night. They always do a great job of getting everybody to go up on stage and uh sing a great tune. And uh and we all know your karaoke song. Yeah, we didn’t execute it as well as I thought we were going to. Turn around. It was tough on stage hearing the audio and the words weren’t synced up as perfectly as I thought. This is after also after a full day of uh garage beer on the course. So it it was not the best performance, but it was it a for effort and entertainment value. Listen, the first like probably like 10 to 15, maybe even 20 seconds was you guys were far the most entertaining crew up there and then out of nowhere it was just like a scream off of you and the other two just Yeah, absolutely. Trying to like get the wheels back on the track. We tried. Um Yeah, Ali, that was fun. Absolutely hilarious. Shout out to JT. Shout out to Jessica. Um, shout out to everybody over at 8 a.m. and the Win. It’s one of my favorites, if not my favorite casino out there, man. They always do it right. And and uh and hook it up during the 8 a.m. And that is uh that’s one of my favorite golf courses out there. Let’s get uh on to one of our favorite segments each week, and that is No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Perplexity. For those of you that don’t know, that is an AI search engine we will use occasionally to help us answer some of these NOTM questions or questions that arise from the NOm questions or any type of questions we have during the show. The entire internet has been debating a NOTM question and we have been asked to weigh in from BDF GH KL N PQ UV WXY. Guarantee a bot. This is a bot. Brandon Borders at Jake Chadsky. I’mma need Jason Kelsey and Travis’s opinion on this. He quote tweeted, “I think 100 guys could beat one gorilla. Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit.” Shout out to Dream Chasing Mike. We got to answer some questions first. Are we allowed to use tools? Cuz I can beat a gorilla by myself. I got the biggest gun. Be over real quick. Right. So, I think we’re talking about hand to hand combat. I’m guessing. Yeah, I think we’re just talking hand in hand. Gorilla don’t scare me if I got a big ass magnum [ __ ] whatever. But what are we talking here? Guns. Exactly. Do we do we are we talking like what’s a win? Is a win like death? Yeah. You’re fighting to the death? That’s what a win is when you’re fighting a gorilla. How do you How do you kill it? That’s what I’m saying. How do you kill a gorilla? You’re going to need a tool. You can’t kill a gorilla with your hands. Oh, yeah. I don’t know. You’re going to do choke it out. I mean, it’s going to be Yeah, that’s going to be a tough cell right there. I think 100 guys could do it cuz the gorilla would get tired. But he’s going to go through about 98 of them. He’s going to go Somebody’s getting [ __ ] up. Yeah. And I don’t know if I want That’s why he’s saying I think a 100 guys would be one gorilla. Everybody just got to be dedicated to the [ __ ] The [ __ ] is You’re going to get [ __ ] up if you’re one of the first people to go at this gorilla. I think one of the reasons these questions are terrible is because humans don’t fight hand to hand. Even I mean you go back to looking at, you know, people back in the day, you’re everybody’s using tools. I’m going to pick up a big ass rock. I’m not going to go fight this gorilla at my hands. I’m going to let you distract him. I’m going to stand in the tree and then when he’s not looking, I’m going to drop a boulder on his head. But we’re not fighting fair. That’s how human beings fight, right? They’re smart. If you want to survive, that’s how now that’s dedicated to the shits. I’m going to sharpen a stick and then poke that big [ __ ] and not have to go and fight it with my hands. And in which case it it’s going to be a lot less than 100 guys. Might be one guy if you got the right tool. But yeah, if you try and go fight a gorilla with your bare hands, you will die. I’m not [ __ ] with that. Yeah. I mean, it’s too strong. It’s too powerful. I don’t even know how you would kill it. How would you kill a gorilla, dude? That what? I don’t know. No, you’re not choking it out. You like try and hold it down. I I just with like like 20 people jump on it just to hold pin it down. But even that I don’t think that’s gonna work. Yeah, I think they’re 20 strong. They’re 20 times stronger than us. That’s why it’s a dumb question. All righty. That’s No dumb questions brought to you by Perplexity. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Ben Affleck for joining us. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube to New Heights channel and follow New Heights in the wonder app or wherever you get your podcast. Special announcement. We will be back next week with a special Mother’s Day episode. Yeah. I wonder who’s going to be uh who’s gonna be a part of that one. It’s gonna be mommy. God damn it. Once again, New Heights of Wonder Show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Duncan. Oh, these little munchkins. Where to put them? Follow the show on all social media at New Show for with one for fun clips throughout the week. And thanks to our production and crew, you guys are going to have your hands full this time. And to the 92enters, please keep tuning in. I We’ll get good at this one day. When I’m confused about a name, I just try to go as fast as possible. I think everybody in their right mind says Afflac. Jake, put a poll up. Put a poll up. Put a poll up. Jake, just take it to the audience. Put a poll up. I’ve never heard one person in ordinary conversations come up for you. How often does Ben Not often. Not often, but it’s it’s always Ben Affleck. Never Ben Affleck. Is that just like the Philly accent getting in there? No, it’s just But you’re you’re overdoing it. You’re overdoing it with the You’re overdoing it. You’re overdoing it. Ben Affleck. You’re either saying you’re either saying Affleck or Affleck. Affleck is an Affleck is an Affleck. You’re saying like a effect? No, I’m not. I’m saying it’s either affect or afflect. You added a T on there, guys. I swear to God, I heard a T. I I definitely add T sometimes. And that’s for sure wrong. Listen, if it wasn’t for football, I’d be just like Ben Affleck and uh Goodwill Hunting. You know what I mean? I’d be just working the docks. What do you do in construction? What docs are you? Been a while since I’ve seen that movie. What are you, Danny Green? Working the [ __ ] docks at Lake Erie.
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BLUEBERRY MUNCHKINS?!?!?!?!?!? leaving without pants to drive to the Dunkin drive-thru 1:26:22
Ben is such a fake
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What’s your horses name?
Saw "Accountant 2" last night. I was waiting to watch this episode until after I saw the new movie, so glad I did. Excellent conversation, great movie.
This is the Ben Affleck I love to see!!
You can tell how much he loved this interview… amazing podcast just 3 guys shooting the breeze ❤
I’m just here for the gorilla debate
Sanders slid so far because they didnt want to deal with his arrogance and also didnt want to deal with the meddling of deion. I wouldnt be surprised if sanders eventually proves all the doubters wrong.
They look like pecs to me. I don’t see boobs
Its his mommy! Let him! ❤
Well now you need Matt Damon on.
Travis, thanks for your comments regarding Shedeur Sanders. Your brother is a little correct too. For instance, there wasn't an overwhelming public outcry for Peyton Manning to lose his number one draft pick status after the very public Neyland Stadium football locker room incident with a UTK female employee. I mean, he did have unbelievable talent. Please, forgive my derision. Honestly, I am weary of conversations and commentaries overtaken by unnecessary viciousness and vitriol.
Ben in ‘The Town’ and ‘The Accountant’ are amazing
NO DUMB QUESTIONS: Will Travis propose during the 2025/26 season? If so will it be filmed for the podcast?
#TheAccountant2 #MakeTheBatfleckMovie
Mommy!
You guys should’ve asked about what it was like casting Bellichick’s GF in the Dunkin’ commercial
That's was the super bowl between 49ers and Bengals
Fucking bacons
When you guys gonna go back to talking more about Hockey? I feel like getting more love and support to that sport should be a big goal for New Heights. Hockey deserves more love from Americans
Loved this.
Love the show with the Kelce brothers, yall do some great funny podcasts with guests, but I wish you all would tone down the language every other word is F-u-c-k-ing. That makes you look very unprofessional and low class you can do better, you both are very talented in your careers and looked up to by many many people, be more respectable on the content your putting out to the world.
Sound with Ben is terrible
Thanks for mentioning the Omaha Zoo ! World Renowned
He fell because of his dad and the drama.
We definitely will be seeing Accountant 2 🎉
My 33 yr old son still calls me mommy. I still call my dad daddy .
Less coffee Ben! And a better microphone. Let the brothers jump in and ask questions!