Why would one of the game’s best players make a caddie change? | Golf Channel Podcast

In this week’s edition, the guys discuss the recent selections for the U.S. and International Presidents Cup team, the differences between Scottie 2024 and Scottie 2025, and why Collin Morikawa would make a caddie change in the middle of the season. #GolfChannel #PGATour#GolfChannelPodcast

Chapters:
(0:00) Intro
(1:30) Did the U.S. and International Presidents Cup teams make the right call?
(11:00) Is the Presidents Cup even relevant at this point?
(20:00) The biggest differences between Scottie 2024 and Scottie 2025
(24:30) What Collin Morikawa’s caddie change tells us
(30:00) We want your questions for Sunday’s pod show!
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How to make the PGA Tour’s only team event better | Golf Channel Podcast
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[Music] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Show podcast with Rex and Lav. And Rex, you were back home after stops in Augusta, stops in Hilton Head, stops in New Orleans. A hearty viewer on last week’s podcast recommended that we begin to have a gut cam. Oh. Uh, from the podcast. Is that something you might be interested in? No. No. And this stems from again I I think I said it best on Sunday night for Monday’s podcast. I started to body shame myself and that’s never a good option. You’re never going down a good road on that one. I I think what made it hit and as you may know people on the internet, social media, they’re very kind. They never say anything that they they don’t ever go after the one thing that you’re most self-conscious about. And I was doing walkin talks last week and someone took a screenshot and sent it to me and and pointed out how bad of a look that was. Oh, you kind of have to have the belt on. You’re walking. You’re trying not to trip. You’re trying to remember the questions. You’re trying to It was two players and and it wasn’t a It wasn’t a great look. So, yeah, that that’s as close as I ever want to get to a gut cam. Backpacks, belts. Oh god, so bad. All of which uh do not do not heighten our our best features. I went to the dentist on Tuesday. Uh had the blood pressure regime come out. And now I’ve I’ve started panicking because my blood pressure was a little high. So, I think I’m dying. So, I went to the went to the gym for the first time in forever. Uh just trying to make sure that I do live to see my 39th birthday. That’s besides the point. If you have any health and fitness advice, do uh leave it in the comments. Rex, want to get into the news of the week. It has been a slow news week, but Brand Snaker and Jeff Ogley were named uh the US and International President’s Cup captains respectively earlier this week. You think those are inspired choices, Sneds and Jeff, or you think it’s mostly business as usual for these two sides? I would say business as usual. I think they’re both going to be good captains. I think Jeff Ogaly was pretty obvious. I was on uh golf today yesterday with Shane Ryan from Golf Digest because you decided to take a day off and go have a vacation with your dentist. And and Shane did bring up a good point that I hadn’t really thought through. So, there is a President’s Cup after the next one that will be in Australia, and you would think that Jeff would probably be a likely choice with that. I’m not discounting the idea that Jeff could be a two-term captain. I think that’s probably a very real possibility. There’s also the option that Adam Scott is coming of age eventually. I mean, he’s still competitive. He’s still going to be on that team. You would imagine he’s still going to be an important part of that team. But for Jeff, I think it makes sense twofold. One, he redesigned Madina. And I think everyone is excited to see what he and his firm did. That’s where the President’s Cup going to be next year. And I mean, when you think about the President’s Cup, at least in the semi-odern area, I don’t know outside of Adam Scott if there’s anyone you would connect more to it than Jeff. I think he’s been involved with it as a player seven times. I think he’s been a vice captain, assistant captain four other occasions if I’m not wrong. He’s a huge part of that team. And there was a couple of things and I want to get to Brandt as well. But there was a couple of things that I thought that he said yesterday during his press conference and then when he was on golf today that that did stand out. I thought it was interesting when he was talking about watching the Americans celebrate just not last year at rural Montreal, watching them celebrate essentially for the last two decades of this match. That’s all the motivation he needs. He said that looks like a lot of fun. Well, I’d like to get around to actually doing that. And he did point out that from the international side, they do enjoy themselves when they arrive on Monday. I think what Ernie El’s and Nick Price began with the creation of their Shield, they created sort of this one team philosophy. It’s us against the world. Last year at Royal Montreal, they had one team room with the Caddies and everyone together. I was standing in front of that team room on Friday night after they’d rebounded after a dismal opening round to go 5-0 on Friday. And it was it was a party and I think the more and more that side gets a taste of how good it actually is to win. They will eventually become competitive. I’m not sure it’s this time around because as our friend Aan Lynch pointed out as only he can it they are not very good on paper nor have they been very good on grass recently. That is that’s definitely an A Lynch quote. I I mean as as it as it relates to the the captains like yeah Oakland makes a ton of sense. Four-time assistant. You mentioned the renovation uh at Madina. We’re going to see larger greens uh reshaped bunkering wider fairways. All of which you would think would would be helpful to the American team. That is that is largely going to be more bombers and gougers than the international side. As it relates to Bran Snaker, you know, he was a one-time assistant last year. He’s on Keegan Bradley’s uh back room staff this time around for the RDER Cup. If things go Keegan Bradley’s way, let’s say he wins a major championship and he’s going to be among the top six automatic qualifiers for the RDER Cup. You could see Sneds sort of taking on added responsibility being a pseudo captain for the RDER Cup this time around. It it is interesting as it relates to SNEDs in particular because you’d love to see how the Keegan Bradley appointment goes first, right? Like is is having one of the US players contemporaries, is that like an inspired choice? Is that a home run? Or is it like an unmitigated disaster where there’s no real leadership and there’s just just this vacuum at the top? I know what I know you have to make these sort of moves with Bran Senker ahead of time because there’s a lot to get done and a lot to formulate and a lot the PJ tour is going to put on your plate 18 or 19 months ahead of time. But I think you’d love to see how it goes first because if that does become a really powerful model if all of a sudden the Americans absolutely love having sort of one of their own in that US team room leading the group as opposed to someone like Sedker who obviously is still on the PJ tour. He’s still getting his 15 to 20 starts on the PJ tour this year, but he’s a little bit removed from his prime about a decade or so ago. So, I I would have loved to see if that model worked before the PJ tour fell in line with what is sort of a traditional model of succession. I see where you’re coming from, and that’s a good point. I’m not quite sure they could have waited until the end of this year essentially after the Ryder Cup to make that choice. Usually, they want to give captains on both side, President’s Cup and Ryder Cup, a two-year cycle because there is a lot that goes into it. You want to allow the captain to be comfortable. He was in line. I mean, I think there is a succession plan. And I think they’ve created some sort of continuity both for both teams. US teams I’m talking about as far as I I could have seen them going with Web Simpson. I could have seen them gone with Steuart Sink. Like it’s it’s pretty clear who the players are who are online at this point. I will say to your earlier point and I actually texted Davis Love during in the middle of Brandt’s press conference because I was really curious. Davis has been friends with Brandt a long time and asked him what do you think his leadership style is going to be like? and he actually said he would probably lean closer to a Jim Furick style where he’s not going to stand in front of the room and try to give a speech. He’s not going to try to over coach. He knows these are all really good players. He’s probably going to try to be the players captain. But Davis did tell me that the one thing that he was most impressed with when it comes to SNES the last really two years is how hands-on he’s been with Keegan in the RDER Cup cycle because he is one of those vice captains as well. And he was asked a couple times, Snuds was asked a couple times about if your scenario comes to pass, if if Keegan does qualify for that team. He’s been very clear about if I don’t qualify, I’m not making myself a pick. But if he does qualify, I I can see him doing sort of a captain by committee thing. And I can see Sneds being a big part of that. Absolutely. Yeah. And like this is not to be a criticism of of Brand Snaker whatsoever. It’s it’s more the model has always been that these selections as captains, whether on the the US RDER Cup side or the President’s Cup side, are just sort of like lifetime achievement awards, right? Like they’re they’re recognitions of their contributions that they’ve made to the American team over the past decade or two. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to be a great leader of men just because you’ve been a great player for the US side over the past couple of decades. Again, we have no idea whether the Keegan Bradley thing is is going to work. I I I tend to believe that it will because I think Keegan Bradley is going to be a good leader of men and I think there are others probably in that line like Billy Horschel to me is is cut of the same mold. He might not have tons of experience on a US RDER Cup team or a US President’s Cup team. But I think Billy Horchel would be a good leader of men and lead from the top and have everyone rally around him and galvanize around his presence. You know, that’s not to say that Billy Horse was one day going to, you know, dominate the captaincy and he’s going to lead this American revival. Not to say that Brand Senker is going to do a terrible job as US President’s Cup time team either. I just thought potentially that the US Router Cup team had signaled a new change for how they were going to approach it. And I was curious to see if the President’s Cup, obviously run by a different organization, the PG tour, as opposed to the PJ of America, would fall in line with that line of thinking as well. I just thought that that was a little bit interesting. Well, I think you pointed out the most important part. These are two separate organizations. The PG of America clearly has a different mindset right now versus the PGA Tour. And there’s probably no need for the PGA Tour to really wait or to mix things up at this point. As I pointed out, they haven’t been good on grass or 131 and1. Yes. So, it there’s probably not much that they need to do there. That’s why I think old movie is the much more interesting pick in my mind. But that is fascinating to me because you can apply this to any sport just because like Michael Jordan is probably the primary example that you would use here. maybe a Tom Brady. Just because they’re goats and they’re specific sports doesn’t mean they’re going to be necessarily good coaches because doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be good leaders of men. I would argue that Michael Jordan would probably be an awful coach, which is why he never gave it a shot because he’s probably also also a terrible owner. Uh yes, he probably had no interest. He doesn’t seem to suffer fools well when people can’t do what he was able to do, not understanding that, oh, you were a generational player and no one is able to do what I’m doing. For example, though that the opposite of that in golf is I think we can all agree that Tigers one turn as a captain in Australia at the President’s Cup seemed to be very successful. He was a playing captain. So, and I don’t know that anyone else in the modern era can actually pull that off and do it well. It is a different animal. You would have to see how Tiger’s clearly going to get his turn as a Ryder Cup captain sooner rather than later. But that is fascinating to me because you’re right. I don’t know. Phil’s probably a terrible example because it doesn’t seem like now that he’s ever going to get that slot. But I I don’t know if he would necessarily be a good leader for the reasons that I just said about Michael where because I don’t know that he can necessarily understand why people can’t do the things that I do. Just do this and you have to shake your head and I I don’t have the ability to do that. I think I think Phil would have been good and I think the US team is is is worse off for not having him uh in a US team room. Obviously that was much of his own making potentially down the line. Maybe things can be amended there. mentioned 131 and one. Like I’m sure we talked about this after Royal Montreal. Like does the international team need to win one for this thing to matter? Does it even matter anymore? Like where do you where do you fall in the line of of the President’s Cup’s relevance, Rex, in like the world of golf landscape? Absolutely. They need to win one to be relevant. Of course, that but they haven’t they haven’t won one in decades. Literally decades. And I would argue it’s why it’s very much I don’t think this is overstepping lines. The President’s Cup is by far the I don’t know how you would put it politely, but an afterthought when it comes to comparison to the RDER Cup when we’re going to start talking about the Ryder Cup here over the next few weeks. And we’re probably not going to stop for a year. That’s just the way the Ryder Cup works out. It’s we’re always talking. And I did have a bit of a disagreement with with Shane. Again, I appreciate you abandoning me and leaving me on that round table with him. His argument was is that the Ryder Cup has turned into something that is not necessarily competitive relevant because what we’ve end up with and he’s not wrong on relevant Cup’s not relevant. Well, his argument was and he’s not necessarily wrong on this front that it seems to me what we’ve ran into is the home team wins by a lot and we ran into that the last couple of times and I don’t know that that’s necessarily a bad thing at least there you still have some sort of competitiveness that clearly we don’t have in the President’s Cup. Yes, 100%. And I even told the story that it was getting to the point for the international sides before Nick Price and Ernie Ell did what he did where I remember vividly having players Louen was one of the players I had a conversation with about that they were kind of tired of going through this process. There was nothing for them to gain. They they their careers, their legacies, they weren’t going to be improved by showing up every two years and getting their brains beat in by the US side. And it was getting to a tipping point. Again, I think Ernie and Nick did a good job of trying to turn that tide and understand that we are trying to build something here that’s good. However, it seems to me they’re still very much in the rebuilding process. Look, I think the Ryder Cup, it’s it’s just a it’s just a fact has not been competitive since since 2012. I mean, the last what would that be five or six additions have all been at least a five-point margin of victory for the home team. So, I think you can make an argument, and I’m sure we will after Beth Page, depending on how that plays out, whether there should be some sort of, you know, intermediary who who helps set the golf course. You don’t see as lopsided of an advantage for the home team. That’s why Roy Mroy has talked about the hardest thing to do in golf right now is to win an away Rder Cup. I would argue that the last I would say four of the last five President’s Cups have actually been pretty competitive. There have been at least pathways for victory on Sunday. There have been tense moments at least over the weekend where you where the result was somewhat in doubt. Brett Sedker on golf today on Tuesday talked about how uh over the radio that there was some nervousness among the US leaders because the international team obviously they they got swept on day one. Uh they bounced back on day two did exactly that. And then there was so many one-up matches. I think it was seven or eight over the course of the weekend that either that could have gone either way and potentially tilted the balance of favor that the favor tilted the balance of power in the internationals favor. Um, and it just didn’t play out that way because most often the Americans are just the better team. And so the easiest tweak, Rex, to the President’s Cup, 28 points, 28 points. I talk about it every time. And there’s other do that is but that is but that is by far the easiest. They’ve gone from 32 to 30. Now go from 30 to 28. Put it in line with the RDER Cup. that allows you to hide the weaker players. That allows you to have the strongest possible teams um for all of the forsomes and four ball sessions. It should be an easy tweak if the PJ tour is interested in making this a more competitive match every two years. I’ve yet to hear a good rationale for why that’s not implemented. I’ I’ve yet I’ve yet to hear it and even players and coaches uh last fall after Royal Montreal didn’t want to talk about it either. No. And there there is no good reason. That’s why you you’ve yet to hear a good rationale. And again, there’s other reasons. There’s other things they can do. I would argue that the international captain at this point in the proceedings deserves a maximum flexibility. Whatever it is you want, you get. If that’s a special team room, if that’s a special gym, if that’s 12 picks, if that’s one pick, whatever it is the international captain asked for at this point because you’re not going to be relevant if this isn’t closed. And you and I went back and forth after Montreal about this. You seem to think that there was a 45 minute window to an hour window on Sunday where they were for sure there was I don’t I don’t necessarily agree with that. I I don’t there was there also that leaderboard and thought well this isn’t going to go well for the Americans. I also there there also was a quail hollow. It was like a 45 to 90 minute window where if things continued in that in that line it was going to if not be very close it was going to be an international victory. Again, it didn’t turn out like that because the American strength and the willpower and they just sort of they they just exerted their will at the end. But there is almost always a window. I think back to 2017, there was not a window. In fact, there was a window that it could have ended on Saturday, but that was an outlier. You know, Tiger Woods’ team was trailing heading into Sunday in 2019. The one in South Korea in 2015 came down to the final green. You look at the last two at Quail Hollow and again last year at Royal Montreal. Again, there was at least a 45 to 90 minute window where on Sunday if things fell in line, it could have gone the international nationals way. It didn’t, but I think four of the last five have been very competitive. It seems like they’re on the right track. At least that’s not good. That’s that’s that’s not enough to make it relevant. That’s not enough to be musty TV, but it at least is somewhat encouraging that they that they appear to be getting closer. You just described almost every NBA game. It seems like every every NBA game fe features one team falling behind early and then they make a run in the fourth quarter and usually they end up coming up short and that that’s pretty much what the President’s Cup has turned into. I feel like what you’re seeing on Sunday is for you personally as you’re looking at this through the rosecolored glasses of I want to write the best story I possibly can today and that in your mind is an international come from behind victory. I certainly can appreciate that. I I did want to touch because it sounds to me like you want to move on. Uh, our friend Aean Lynch, the conspiracy theorist. Of course, he threw out the idea of the Liv players. And look, both captains were asked this, and I’m really starting to feel real empathy for captains who are put in this position because every single one of them has to dance around the same elephant in the room. What are you going to do with the lip players when the time comes and none of them have good answers because the the system that’s been created around them doesn’t create any sort of opportunity for a good answer. But there was a bit of a disagreement between myself and Yes. And that was a it was an outrageous argument he tried to make and well and I had to sit and think about it and I was disappointed I didn’t get an opportunity to to say my side that that show moves a little bit faster than our podcast does. However, I I when I started thinking about what he was saying, the idea was I said that if the LI players were welcome back wholeheartedly, all of them, forget about who you are. That it would help the international team more than it would help the American team. Because you look at Nean, I think I made this argument on Sunday night, he is one of the few players who I feel like joined Liv and has only gotten better. He seems like he’s gotten more competitive. Now, certainly his major resume has some holes in it and I addressed that as well, but I think he could be a huge addition to that team. Mark Leeman, Cam Smith. I can keep going down. Shane’s argument was, well, the Americans would also pick up all of those players. They would pick up the Brooks and the Bryson’s and whoever else would come up. My argument is at that point for the US side, it’s a zero- sum game. Okay, you pick up Bryson, you pick up Brooks, you’re simply pushing out two players who were also going to play really well. For the international, those two players have never been good in team competitions ever. Well, and maybe they would be like, I’m not even making that argument. Maybe they would be, but but you can’t. It’s It’s not like a Patrick. You could make a case for Patrick Reed who has who has played well. I think he could be a contributor based on his matchplay record, based on his current form. I think I think match I think Patrick Reed would be a good addition. But a Bryson or a Brooks who hasn’t done anything over the past year and a half or a Dustin Johnson or whoever else you want to name like there’s there’s very scant evidence that that would be beneficial to the the American side. Whereas on the international side, you can go Walke Neman, Cam Smith, Mark Leechman, Dean Burmester, Lucas Herbert, Sebastian Munoz, like all of these players have performed at least, you know, they’ve they’ve either played President’s Cups or they’re playing well this year. And that would be a significant boost to a team that historically 1 through 12 has not been as strong as the Americans. The difference is not really at the top. Although last year I think you can make that case that obviously with Scotty and Zenner they they clearly had the two best players who are going to be inside the ropes. It’s always a differencemakers between 8 through 12. And if you’re the international side and can shore up the back end of your lineup with players of that caliber then yeah I think it’s a huge difference maker as opposed to inserting a Bryson or Brooks who have spotty match play records. Yes, the US team does not struggle with depth. the international team struggles with depth and the addition the return of the LI players would only help that. I thought you and I were going to disagree with that. I thought that was going to be No, no, no. That was that was absolute lunacy from Shane Ryan and I look forward to talking about him uh talking with him about that. He’s a crazy He really is. Uh let’s move on. Rex, we just mentioned Scotty Chef who had a breakout year in 2024. He is back in action this week. Still looking for his first victory of the year at the CJ Cup by Ren Nelson at TBC Craig Ranch. If you have not been paying attention, this has been one of the easiest venues on the entire PJ tour schedule the last four years the CPC Craig Ranch has hosted this event 25 26 23 and 23 under par with the winning scores. You’re having early week thunderstorms. They have disrupted play during the proam on Wednesdays. What figures to be another bombers paradise even with the overseat even uh with the design team coming in and tightening some fairways. Is this Rex the week that Scotty Shuffler gets it done or you looking at someone else? No, I think Scotty’s the obvious choice and I was just this is going to help me actually because I’m going on Goss Central tonight to have this exact same conversation. So, let’s workshop some ideas here. Yes. I mean, it seems obvious that he’s going to win eventually. There is nothing in his body of work so far this year that suggests he’s not going to. You look at his last four starts, T8, fourth, T2 at in Houston, T20 at the Players Championship. T-25 is his worst finish this year. I’ve said this numerous times. If that’s rock bottom, should we all be so lucky? I I do find it fascinating when you start to look at the difference in stats and if you transpointed both of us back to last year when he was in the middle of his run right now, it would have been probably really difficult for both of us to identify exactly what separates him from the rest of the class. I mean, there you can quantify certain things strokes gain-wise. The fascinating thing to me now is comparing where he was at this point statistically to where he is right now. You suddenly can quantify it and it’s percentage points. It’s so small when it comes to what he’s doing really well now versus what he was doing even better last year. You can look at what he’s doing with his uh driver off the T strokes game driving. You can look at what he’s doing with his iron play, with his putting, everything. It’s not as though he’s fallen off the planet. He’s just one or two% not as good as he was last year. And it gives you an idea of how narrow the margins are between being a good PJ tour player and being Scottish Sheffller. Yeah. Like it’s there’s there’s marginal incremental differences year-over-year. Uh if you’re Scottish Sheffller, you do not want to have a track meet as a tournament that you’re probably going to get back on track. Anyone can have a hot putting week. it it those sort of conditions soft getable ball in hand if you’re in the fairway like those do not help separate the best players from the run-of-the-mill PJ tour players if you’re if you’re at that level you can shoot 2530 under par and not think anything of it I think the biggest difference Rex is that Scotty Shuffler is not making as many birdies as he was a year ago you talk about sort of the the minute difference is last year he was tops on the PG tour and birding birdie average at 4.88 88 birdies per round. That was tops on the tour. This year it’s 4.28 birdies per round, which is 23rd on the PJ tour. Again, those are minute differences, but when you’re still leading the PJ tour as he is in in bogey avoidance, so he’s not making mistakes. He’s not making bogeies. He’s not dropping shots. If you’re not making as many birdies, it is going to be much tougher for you to win. 4.28 4.88. That’s a half stroke per round. multiplied out four over the course of a tournament. That’s about two strokes per tournament. That is the difference. If you look at his results between winning and losing or maybe getting into even tighter a contention. There’s obviously a combination of factors when it comes to why he’s not making as many birdies. He’s not hitting as many fairways as he did last year. His irons are not quite as precise as he was doing as a year ago. And the mid-range putts from 15 to 20 feet are not dropping with the regularity that they were last year. Keep in mind he switched his putting grip to that claw grip which he was not doing last year. Hoping to improve from inside 10 ft that has certainly come to pass at least over the eight starts that he has made in 2025. But the mid-range putt again if you’re hitting your irons well you’ve got 15 to 20 feet all day. Those that’s the range that he’s not doing so with regularity. Not hitting as many birdies. Got it. What else you got on Scotty? One one other topic rice I did want to get into before we get out of here on this midweek podcast is Colin Morawa who if you missed the news on Tuesday split with his caddy JJ Jackovac the only caddy that Colin Morawa has ever had as a pro won two majors won six PJ tour events overall. He is hiring Joe Grinder who apparently is the most soughtafter caddy in all the land. He was a longtime caddyy of course for Maxoma. left Maxoma, just got picked up in spot duty with Justin Thomas with his Caddyy Rev on the men with a back issue. Won the RBC heritage. Now he will join with the world number four. This a big surprise to you. It’s not a big surprise. It’s sort of how it works when a player is struggling and that’s what Colin is doing. Struggling? Well, it yes, he’s not getting the results he wants. For me, this goes back to the Scotty Sheffller conversation. Like look at Colin Morawa’s resume. No, he’s certainly not struggling. If you look at him compared to the rest of the PGA Tour, you would say yes, he’s having a really good season. You and I both have heard the aggravation in his voice, however, that he cannot get over the finish line, that he can’t get back to the winner circle. That seems something that was very easy to him early in his career. And you even you would concede that that’s aggravating him. And it’s this is what the normal MO is. This is the playbook. When a player is not getting the results they want, whether that’s making cuts or if that’s whether it’s winning, it doesn’t matter. You’re going to find a new caddy. You’re gonna find a new swing coach. You’re gonna find a new putting coach. You’re going to look at everyone except look at yourself in the mirror. Yeah, I think that’s that’s certainly fair. I mean, and it’s it’s obviously an individual pursuit and only K Morawa knows what’s going to be best for him. Only he’s going to know what’s happening inside the ropes over those four or five hours that they’re competing. If I’ve learned anything and I’ve learned a couple of things the hard way that there’s there’s not like some NFL big board of like the best available coaches in terms of your swing or your putting or there’s not some best available caddies, right? Like if if you miss out on one, you don’t just go down to the next and and just get Mel Kyper’s number two on on the big board. Like every individual need is different. And so even on the outside, this does seem surprising that the world number four who has won two major championships, who is coming off the best strokes gained season of his career, who already has two runner-up finishes in 2025 is making a catties, which might seem surprising on the outside. It’s a good reminder that these are interpersonal relationships and only he knows what’s going to work best for him. I think the overall message here though, Rex, is that whatever is happening with K Morawa, and he has not won since fall 2023, even though he’s been very very competitive over the past year and a half, is that this shows that he’s not content with just very good. By hiring Joe Grinder, he believes that he can access a new level that he was not currently at. And this is not the first time that Korakawa has made changes to uh his staff and his team. remember just about a year and a half ago he went away from Rick Sessing House, his longtime swim coach. He had since the early teens to move to Mark Bark Blackburn, ended up now back with Rick Cessen House, is now hitting it better than he ever has uh before. It’s just I’m I’m curious to see how it’s going to play out. They are playing next week at the truest championship at Philly Cricket Club. That that duo is going to debut. I don’t think JJC is going to be on the sidelines very long as well. Uh this shows an incredible amount of growth on your front. To be clear, JJ is a phenomenal caddy. He was a phenomenal player in college and that that pairing did some really special things. Multiple major wins, everything that Colin accomplished and yes, none of this gets hung on him. However, it shows an incredible amount of growth for you who was you normally very very quick to be critical of the caddy and I’m glad you sidestepped that and made the decision to go with just interpersonal relationships. Well, I think there’s I think there’s always a tendency whether it’s Butch Harmon as a swing coach or like Jim Bones Mai as the caddy where if those if those guys are available, you just sort of plug and play like, well, you have to you have to go work with Butch or you have to go link up with Bones whereas it might not work. You know, you speak different languages with player swing coach or player caddy. And so, it’s not it’s not just grabbing the best available. It also has to work. I think a lot of people were surprised that Justin Thomas and Jim Bones guy did not have more success than they did together. That just it’s just that doesn’t make Justin Thomas a worse player doesn’t make Bones a worse caddy. Just like a player who goes to Butch Harmon looking for swing success doesn’t necessarily translate that way as well. If I’ve I’ve showed a tremendous amount of growth, Rex, I’m 38 now. I don’t just fire off hot takes. It’s not just an NFL big I didn’t know where you were going with this. I thought I was going to have to start apologizing for you all over again. No, I don’t I don’t think this is like an indictment of of JJ. I don’t think this is necessarily saying that that Joe Grinder is going to be uh K Morawa’s salvation either. It’s these are these are interesting dynamics that you have to have for a player in a caddy. But I think the big picture is that K Morawa is not content with being the world number four, not winning in a year and a half and not getting over the line. Just not enough. All right. Anything you got on the docket, Rex, before we wrap up this podcast? No, as you pointed out, I’ve been gone for three weeks. So, I am trying to cook some stuff. So, I have a pork butt that I just bought from Costco yesterday that that’s on the ringer. I’m probably going to start that tomorrow. I’ve got some ribs. So, I got a lot I need to catch up on because it’s it’s been it’s been a minute. Uh, it has been a minute. We have a 52minute show that we are going to have to produce on Sunday, Monday. Do take videos. Uh, potentially we could uh put that on the podcast on Sunday. will also probably most likely have a beefy listener question segment where we will hear from you if you have any questions looking ahead to the PJ championship the signature event model whatever happens at TBC Craig Ranch Scotty Shuffler Jordan Spe I did to see Wills Al Touris WD get well soon Willie Z anything that is on your mind hit us up in the comments section on YouTube or find us on X email snail mail whatever it is we will try and get it in the show on Sunday night all right that is going to do it for this edition of Golf Show Podcast with Rexan Lab. You guys know the drill. mcsports.com/golf for our latest news, notes, and updates. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the support, especially from you, Stephanie. We talk to you guys on Sunday night. [Music]