Rich Eisen reacts to the passing of Pete Rose and weighs in on the complicated legacy baseball’s all-time hits leader leaves behind.
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He call other players and manager to get info to place bets!
I’m just human…don’t be like me.
There has never been a more flawed hero.
Rich, have you ever heard of O.J. Simpson?
Remember folks, MLB has embraced gambling now at every game and accepted that ohtani lost 15 million from his bank account and had no clue his boy was gambling with it. 👍🏼
The MLB did everything to market Pete Rose,
Pete Rose appeared on networks, traveled the country selling the game of baseball but they wanna stop short of putting him in the Hall 🤡
One more thing. Pete Rose was the last person to be a player/manager in the same season. That is stuff of legends.
He bet against the team he was managing (we KNOW this answer – the fact that people continue to choose to ignore it amazes me!). The ban was/is warranted. Wouldn't let him in any more than I would the steroid cheats.
So they just not going talk about Dikembe Mutombo?? No love i guess😢
He paid his Debt…. Put Pete in the Hall… ❤
It's so sad that all this is the conversation around the undisputed GOAT. Such a shame that he couldn't be a little more humble and be a better person. Still, his name should be on a plaque in the HOF, especially now that he's gone.
Saw this comment from Johhny Bench the other day. Rose reached base more than 6000 times in his playing career. That's incredible.
Why do we have rules? If you don’t like the rules then change the rules.
What do we tell our kids? Rules don’t matter?
Otherwise obey the rules.
What killed Giamatti was his love of cigars and red meat the stress of dealing with a scandal the magnitude of Charlie Hustle could have been the straw that broke the camel’s back
Amazing when you think about OJ and Pete dying within months of each other. 2 of the most flawed and fallen from grace sports icons of all-time
And now MLB embraces and makes tons of cash off gambling. He had a addiction how many others are in the hall besides Mantle with the disease of addiction?
The man was flawed as every man. But…. Every MAN WANTS HIS SON TO PLAY LIKE HIM
Yes he should have been punished but NOT destroyed!!
Especially by the frivolous media talking heads!
There isn't a man in a mansion that an accurate pen won't puncture.
First he said he didn’t bet, then he didn’t bet on baseball, then he didn’t bet on the Reds, then he didn’t bet on the Reds to lose. And I was a kid who believed him every time he said one of these things. Honestly I still believe him that he never bet against the Reds. But my first reaction every time I hear his name will always be sadness rather than appreciation of his great talent
1980 was the first World Series they won
1983 was the Wheeze kids when they lost to Baltimore
Woody Hayes once said "Show me a Hero and I'll show you a tragedy."
PUT HIM IN!
Rich "nobody's hero" Liesen
It's probably true that his endless lies and denials and arrogance were a major contributor to keeping him out of the HoF. And as Rich Eisen says, maybe there's a cautionary tale about his life that would benefit the HoF by letting adults and children read that, IF it was comprehensive enough. This isn't about his greatness as a player but about how he undermined all of that with his despicable conduct around the game and off the field–betting on baseball, lying endless about it, accusations of statutory rape that he tried to dismiss rather than deny, and as the recent documentary showed, he was involved in drug dealing to make money to pay off his gambling debts. He was a loathsome guy, despite his greatness as a baseball player.
Not nearly as flawed as the steroid guys. Were Giamati still with us he would have banned them too.
like the show and curious about the take on this. never liked pete Rose, but i am curious.
I still think OJ Simpson is the most flawed hero in sports history. Murdering his wife and an innocent dude is pretty flawed imho.
Banned from managing and coaching sure. But he should have been in the HOF 30 years ago.
Not all great players are Gehrig and Clemente as people.
I watched Rose play as a kid, and then I watched it all fall apart. Flawed hero? Absolutely. But the headline says he has a 'complicated' legacy.
It's not complicated at all – he was one of the greatest players ever, and he is justly in the Museum in Cooperstown. But he broke the game's Prime Directive – habitually over years, and lied about it at every stage. So he's not in the Hall of Fame.
What's complicated?
This hand wringing over Rose is something I have never, and will never, understand.
And yes – if he had come out in the late '80s and devoted his passion and hustle to advocating against gambling, maybe used some of his own money to start something for kids in that regard, he would be in the HoF, and I believe even Giamatti would have supported his candidacy.
Its not that he was a gambler, its that he gambled on his own sport. He broke the cardinal rule!
He has been flawed for years .. get over it… human beings are flawed.. celebrate the good that he was. He harmed himself ~ wow.
It's called The Hall of Fame. His accomplishments on the field were great, plus he was FAMOUS. But he was also infamous. A shame whether or not he made the Hall.
It’s a plaque Rich. A GD plaque. He was never allowed in baseball the rest of his life. Thats penalty enough. The high n mighty baseball brass make me sick. Hypocrites one and all.
This will go down in history as the most cruel punishment in sports history. Baseball was his life and that was taken for him; I agree that his lack of accountability was his greatest downfall
The Wheeze Kids were the 1983 Phillies.