Fantastic point. I really like how you don’t just follow the ‘trends’ in golf. The older swings (much older than TW swing) are great examples. They worked then, they can work now.
Disagree…. he isnt swallowing as much as or as obviously as lets say …sergio… but his club is falling below the backswing and under hand plane which is shallowing the club. You are talking about hand path as opposed to club path?
Absolutely he is shallowing. Watch his head from the top. It gets lower and his shaft does indeed shallow. It's a short iron so he's pretty upright in his plane. He clearly squats and shallows the plane coming down.
I teach golf and people trying shallow the club has made me a bunch of money. At least once a month someone will come in who has lost a bunch of handicap points because they are trying to shallow. I just teach them a proper wrist hinge and release and boom…insta-cure. It’s all wordplay. Soft sounds better than hard. Warm sounds better than cold. Shallow sounds better then steep. The shallowing craze is a great study in human behavior psychology. How quickly people will follow a trend with no thought invested of their own.
Sure there are a few swing fundamentals but i never really understood why so many golfluencers try and push certain positions or wirst angles when these things are normally by products of a players technique. Try teaching tiger to swing like dj or harman to swing like finau. Youd be laughed off the range
Most people just need their set up, grip and alignment looked at. See loads of people trying those pointless shallowing moves when they don’t even know how to address the ball
He is shallowing but a part of this video that ppl are not seeing is that- Tiger is hitting STEEL SHAFTER irons in 2000. Stiffer shafts require less shallowing than graphite shafts which MOST players use today to take advantage of increased club head speeds and distance. When the guys today are using graphite vs STEEL shafted irons they will have to create more shallowing to accomodate the lighter weight of the shaft to square up the club head. If you hit steel you dont have to force a shallowing effect- graphite will demand the super shallow as it will never be as stiff as Steel.
Teachers are teaching that shallow move because 90% of amateurs turn hard with the back shoulder and come over the plane. Multiple ways to stop it and who knows if Tiger had to do drills to keep that swing so perfect.
If your hands follow the same path on the way down, with the added rotation during the downswing, the club naturally falls behind you (aka shallow). Try this for yourself: take your address and just shift your hips to impact. The shaft will learn forward as the club falls behind you. A lot of people mistake Tiger’s swing for being “one plane” when in reality, even and especially with swing tracers, the visual is very deceiving. The only way for Tiger to not be shallowing on the downswing would be if he were to aggressively turn the clubface down and come over the top, which he most certainly is not.
He’s definitely not over the top which is what you like to teach. The reason he’s not shallowing is because he stays on plane the whole time (single plane swing). I would argue that what he’s doing by staying on a single plane the whole time much harder than shallowing the club and assuring your always coming from the inside or having an over the top swing like yours and coming more from the outside. Two plane swings allow you to remove one side of the course and eliminate the two way miss. Single plane swings are very fickle; you fall underneath you risk drawing/hook it you come over the top you risk a cut/slice. There are so many way to swing the club pick one and master it. Not fair to use Tiger as an example he’s playing chess while the rest of us are still trying to learn checkers
Totally agree. This “shallowing” fad can only work for players that have significant wrist strength to maintain the bow on the wrist through impact and have both strength and flexibility to clear their hips and their legs while maintaining your spine angle. 99.9% of golfers should never try shallow the club unless you have the above. The best guys that shallow the club do so because that is how they picked up the club it has never been instructed to them. Look at the state of Jordan Speith’s game and now wrist operation when trying to “learn” how to shallow.
He massively shallows or he wouldn’t hit the ball?!? Do you mean he doesn’t flatten the shaft in this 2D dtl view? Don’t understand what you mean by ‘doesn’t shallow’.
Most golfers don’t know Tigers secret . I know the secret . It’s easy to figure out . The secret Tiger had that few other golfers possessed was something called “ talent “ . If I had Tigers talent , I could throw mine away .
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Effortless, he was so good ❤
Fantastic point. I really like how you don’t just follow the ‘trends’ in golf. The older swings (much older than TW swing) are great examples. They worked then, they can work now.
You could also say he's not taking it inside so why are you trying to. I mean I agree with you but silly point
Disagree…. he isnt swallowing as much as or as obviously as lets say …sergio… but his club is falling below the backswing and under hand plane which is shallowing the club. You are talking about hand path as opposed to club path?
Spot on. Now they all talk about getting it in front of themselves.. why are people trying to re invent the wheel?
He is shallowing, its just not a looping move you see newer players do to shallow.
Single plan slight shallow…
Absolutely he is shallowing. Watch his head from the top. It gets lower and his shaft does indeed shallow. It's a short iron so he's pretty upright in his plane. He clearly squats and shallows the plane coming down.
He’s going up and down on the same plane, he’s not very shallow or he not over the top. This is probably why he can move the ball both ways easy
I teach golf and people trying shallow the club has made me a bunch of money. At least once a month someone will come in who has lost a bunch of handicap points because they are trying to shallow. I just teach them a proper wrist hinge and release and boom…insta-cure. It’s all wordplay. Soft sounds better than hard. Warm sounds better than cold. Shallow sounds better then steep. The shallowing craze is a great study in human behavior psychology. How quickly people will follow a trend with no thought invested of their own.
Exactly right. I never bought into that crap.
he didnt need to becuase his body was so anatomically perfect , he didnt need to
Bc he is effin Tiger Woods
Isnt this the swing that messed up his back or something?
What’s shallow ing?
He lowers his center of gravity.
Slightly laid-off at the top, and working left through impact, like Hogan. Perfection.
What made Tiger so great under Butch Harman was his plane stayed constant. His downswing is on the exact same path as his take away.
8 back surgeries later is why you shallow
Because he was young and strong. He later blew out his back, so….unless your also 25, this may not be a great model
Looks close to a single.plane. Ernie Else said he has a near one plane swing also.
Sure there are a few swing fundamentals but i never really understood why so many golfluencers try and push certain positions or wirst angles when these things are normally by products of a players technique. Try teaching tiger to swing like dj or harman to swing like finau. Youd be laughed off the range
Shallow your swing unlike tiger because you’re good human being!
Does look like a natural shallow. Just not dramatic
Most people just need their set up, grip and alignment looked at. See loads of people trying those pointless shallowing moves when they don’t even know how to address the ball
He is shallowing but a part of this video that ppl are not seeing is that- Tiger is hitting STEEL SHAFTER irons in 2000. Stiffer shafts require less shallowing than graphite shafts which MOST players use today to take advantage of increased club head speeds and distance. When the guys today are using graphite vs STEEL shafted irons they will have to create more shallowing to accomodate the lighter weight of the shaft to square up the club head. If you hit steel you dont have to force a shallowing effect- graphite will demand the super shallow as it will never be as stiff as Steel.
Just don’t come over that’s the key.
Thank you for shining a light on this nonsense
Teachers are teaching that shallow move because 90% of amateurs turn hard with the back shoulder and come over the plane. Multiple ways to stop it and who knows if Tiger had to do drills to keep that swing so perfect.
If your hands follow the same path on the way down, with the added rotation during the downswing, the club naturally falls behind you (aka shallow). Try this for yourself: take your address and just shift your hips to impact. The shaft will learn forward as the club falls behind you. A lot of people mistake Tiger’s swing for being “one plane” when in reality, even and especially with swing tracers, the visual is very deceiving. The only way for Tiger to not be shallowing on the downswing would be if he were to aggressively turn the clubface down and come over the top, which he most certainly is not.
I gave up on improving. I just enjoyed the game and the fellowship of my friends.
He’s definitely not over the top which is what you like to teach. The reason he’s not shallowing is because he stays on plane the whole time (single plane swing). I would argue that what he’s doing by staying on a single plane the whole time much harder than shallowing the club and assuring your always coming from the inside or having an over the top swing like yours and coming more from the outside. Two plane swings allow you to remove one side of the course and eliminate the two way miss. Single plane swings are very fickle; you fall underneath you risk drawing/hook it you come over the top you risk a cut/slice. There are so many way to swing the club pick one and master it. Not fair to use Tiger as an example he’s playing chess while the rest of us are still trying to learn checkers
Single plane for Eldrick.
Because I'm not Tiger Woods
Everyone has they’re own swing that works for them.
Swings can’t be copied.
Fun fact… this isn’t Tiger Woods in 2000 🤔
Oh, I'm not trying….its just all a big mess
Totally agree. This “shallowing” fad can only work for players that have significant wrist strength to maintain the bow on the wrist through impact and have both strength and flexibility to clear their hips and their legs while maintaining your spine angle. 99.9% of golfers should never try shallow the club unless you have the above. The best guys that shallow the club do so because that is how they picked up the club it has never been instructed to them. Look at the state of Jordan Speith’s game and now wrist operation when trying to “learn” how to shallow.
Look again … the club is coming from behind his right shoulder (shallow), not in front of his shoulder.
He massively shallows or he wouldn’t hit the ball?!? Do you mean he doesn’t flatten the shaft in this 2D dtl view? Don’t understand what you mean by ‘doesn’t shallow’.
Most golfers don’t know Tigers secret . I know the secret . It’s easy to figure out . The secret Tiger had that few other golfers possessed was something called “ talent “ . If I had Tigers talent , I could throw mine away .