I really think the people you are talking about that gets the 600 spine arrow really think that 600 means grains because they don't know any better I've heard people say I'm shooting 400 gr. and you look at there arrow and it's 400 spine that's my thinking on it and I really wish that the industry would redo there charts because they are really out of date
Great conversation guys. You guys don’t see 100% eye to eye but were able to have a very constructive conversation that stayed on topic and is very resourceful. Great episode.
Sorry gentleman, I have been shooting 2 months and I am ready to hunt, I have already hadn3 robinhoods, my ground a 30m are super tight, bare shafting is no problem, already made my first hunting arrows, I’m pumped and ready for the hunt.
Guys, arrow weight is like near the bottom of the list in Ashby's study, yet we all fight about that. It's not a factor unless you hit heavy bone. Find your sweet spot and do you.
You guys need to understand that you can set a bow to “zero” and rarely will it shoot a bullet hole without making adjustments, so was it really “zeroed” then You will have to make additional adjustments to shoot a fixed blade head accurately, so there goes your bullet hole. Which one do you think is a better representation of zeroing. I myself believe the fixed blade head is because everyone shoots differently and yes the bullet hole saves you time when making minor adjustments for the broadhead but when you’re done they both go too the same point of impact! Field tips what show you correct spine like a broadhead will.
Got a question.. I’m kinda old .. we have some sizable hogs here in south Mississippi.. I’m not a fan of high FOC. I’m from the 90s 3-D world where we shot 6.8% FOC for flat trajectory. (Judging yardage) that was the limit for 12 ring accuracy at 45 yards. Go to 6.6 FOC and you had tennis ball accuracy at 45.. that being said, I used weight tubes from 3-Rivers in my 340 spine arrows .. 3gr per inch, my arrows are 29”. That’s 84 grains . I also used a woodsmen head at 150gr. Machined 3 blade with an inch cut. That was 134 grains heavier than my standard set up. That put me at around 554gr. My thought is that mass is mass. You can increase spine and with with heavy inserts, outserts, heads etc and achieve the same weight. Difference is FOC. Math says they are the same momentum and KE.. my setup shoots much flatter at the same weight. Because of FOC. So we can achieve a heavy arrow with say a 9%FOC .plenty of accuracy but with a flatter trajectory.. I’d be interested in y’all’s input on that logic. I know the results I’ve probably harvested more animals than each of y’all. I’ve seen first hand many instances. I do tune bows, build arrows, all the above. Have been since the early 90s. Wonderful content and thanks for the conversation with RF..
If you hit above the lung and it didn't drop, you shot back strap meat rt under the skin and that's all …there is ZERO space between top of lung and spine
I think one of the biggest issues with the Archery community is that with social media and the internet a lot of people have opinions based on knowledge they didn’t earn. They just consumed it and regurgitated it. The other hindrance is that anyone can criticize without credentials. There’s no need to rally in to camps or tribes. You, yes you. Go shoot your bow and come up with your own conclusions. Listen and consume but don’t assume you know what you’re talking about until you try it.
For as much time as they have spent working with bows and making content centered around archery, it is wild to me to hear a statement that you can't shoot a 400 grain arrow with an 80 lb bow or that it is difficult to get good arrow flight. That simply isn't true. It's just basic tuning like you would with any other setup.
I just feel like when you get an arrow that light and you're trying to push it that hard instead of it being drugged through the air it's being pushed really hard from the ass in and it's just so finicky I tell you now I always shot a heavy arrow and never do it and never even really knew that you know what I mean
So I like a super light Arrow you're going to have to really pay attention to everything which way the string is served the not fit the Nock pinch every single little thing in my point of view I feel like a heavier arrow is just more forgiving
Do you know how long Josh has been practicing the art of shooting like that though he has went through several several intense situations to get himself there where he's at and I guarantee it it was a heavy ass Arrow really high pound each bow
Perfect example right here I had a deer come in on my far left what kind of quartering to me a little bit I was shooting double bevel Broadhead right so I'm thinking I'm just going to put it right on the shoulder and let it eat okay but this was a double bevel I couldn't have done this with the mechanical there's no way in hell I would have just found stuff it hit the shoulder big phone right there for the all about the knuckle on the chest so I hit a little high but I was in an elevated tree stand I should have aimed a little lower but the Broadhead road to the left okay it was super sharp so it rolled toward his chest so not going towards the vitals going the opposite way like literally going to miss him but it may contact with that shoulder and shots straight across his brisket never went inside the animal okay but exploded the shoulder cut everything it touched because it was razor sharp he walked over about 20 yards laid down and bled out simple fact was I exploded that shoulder but that didn't help me what helped me was the fact that the arrow kept going and it was razor sharp and cut everything in its path every big artery and vein that was in that shoulder he just lost every bit of blood within a couple minutes
So I had the PSC and still have the Evo sc34 and the PSC told me to start it at 7 8 off of the riser a complete 16th or whatever over 3/4 that's way outside what I come to find out is they had the wrong limbs on the wrong side of the bowl it's supposed to be like a mix match and you work from the top right lightest to heaviest clockwise so your light is Slim will be at the top right your heavy is limb will be at the top left I had so much trouble with that boat trying to get it to shoot broadheads now I have the new BowTech it's the 34 that like dark gray color and it is a rocket I love it is the most amazing feeling bow and arrow I have ever shot and I have a lot I have the big 38 target bow all set up with the whistles and buttons you know I I really love archery I got my own string making jigs I got my own boat press Vise I got everything you could think of you know that is a Archer's paradise and I have shot a lot of bow and arrow and it is the most forgiving most amazing draw cycle when it comes to the holding weight you can play with that
Brandon just said something that a lot of people might not have heard but to do bare shaft tune you better make sure your grip is good your stance your form and your release because I tell you right now if you're slapping the hell out of the trigger it's going to be really hard for you to Bear Chef too
A lot of the time when learning to and say you do go to the shop and you ask him to do something you want to watch what they're doing turn around fiddle around for a couple seconds and bring it back out to you and say it's good you know and usually if you got like a severe tear out the top let's say the knock is going out the top that means your top cam is picking up faster and the other way if it's at the bottom it means your bottom cams picking up faster
You know a lot of Target archers will tune their bare shaft with the rip in the paper a lot of guys feel like it feels the same exact Arrow every time and then if they do a bullet hole they feel like it's not as forgiving I've heard this several times this is target archery
If a man shots a 400 grain head connected to a 400 spine arrow out of a 70 pound bow, would the arrow not fold in half immediately upon firing? All the weight in the front and the force in the back. You’re saying it will fold like a banana on target?
Based on my own experimentation from a 400 grain arrow at 55lbs and a short 400 spine now going up to a 500 grain Easton Axis which includes a brass insert, Easton collar, and a 100 grain head, I can see the penetration difference and hear the impact. It has also quieted the bow. I upped my poundage from 55 to 60 and these arrows are hitting like a truck. I may be a little slower but I will take that as a plan B option.
I’m just disappointed I did not draw this year for deer in CO.
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I want to see @ranchfairy test the Beast broadheads with a heavy arrow. I’m just curious what that head will do….
mathews top hats are easy not hard like other shims
I really think the people you are talking about that gets the 600 spine arrow really think that 600 means grains because they don't know any better I've heard people say I'm shooting 400 gr. and you look at there arrow and it's 400 spine that's my thinking on it and I really wish that the industry would redo there charts because they are really out of date
If your broadheads are hitting right of the field points you have to move your rest to the right not the left.
Always a good conversation with you two.
I am glad to see you back. I have been wondering where you were.
the fairy is to archery what an ingrown toenail is to a marathon runner.
waste of time, pounding away over and over
All the tuning, blah, blah, blah only to move the rest for the broadhead. Makes no sense.
I lost 2 monsters with my arrow bounced off there shoulder almost. I'll never ever go back to flapper
Yall need to look at Dudleys HIL method. It will show you what you arrow spine is doing to your groups
Great conversation guys. You guys don’t see 100% eye to eye but were able to have a very constructive conversation that stayed on topic and is very resourceful. Great episode.
We need an “On the Mic with McDonald Podcast” or something!
Sorry gentleman, I have been shooting 2 months and I am ready to hunt, I have already hadn3 robinhoods, my ground a 30m are super tight, bare shafting is no problem, already made my first hunting arrows, I’m pumped and ready for the hunt.
Been watching you both for years. Great pod! Good luck this season to the both of you.
Maybe I am wrong but I feel like the social media bow hunting world is over complicating this whole thing.
You can’t run a 300 grain arrow in an 80 lb how? Since when…
Anyone else sick of seeing this poser fraud on everyone's channel. Didn't realize Brandon needed the clickbait.
Love Ranch Fairy and Brandon collabs, great video guys.
Guys, arrow weight is like near the bottom of the list in Ashby's study, yet we all fight about that. It's not a factor unless you hit heavy bone. Find your sweet spot and do you.
You guys need to understand that you can set a bow to “zero” and rarely will it shoot a bullet hole without making adjustments, so was it really “zeroed” then You will have to make additional adjustments to shoot a fixed blade head accurately, so there goes your bullet hole. Which one do you think is a better representation of zeroing. I myself believe the fixed blade head is because everyone shoots differently and yes the bullet hole saves you time when making minor adjustments for the broadhead but when you’re done they both go too the same point of impact! Field tips what show you correct spine like a broadhead will.
Got a question.. I’m kinda old .. we have some sizable hogs here in south Mississippi.. I’m not a fan of high FOC. I’m from the 90s 3-D world where we shot 6.8% FOC for flat trajectory. (Judging yardage) that was the limit for 12 ring accuracy at 45 yards. Go to 6.6 FOC and you had tennis ball accuracy at 45.. that being said, I used weight tubes from 3-Rivers in my 340 spine arrows .. 3gr per inch, my arrows are 29”. That’s 84 grains . I also used a woodsmen head at 150gr. Machined 3 blade with an inch cut. That was 134 grains heavier than my standard set up. That put me at around 554gr. My thought is that mass is mass. You can increase spine and with with heavy inserts, outserts, heads etc and achieve the same weight. Difference is FOC. Math says they are the same momentum and KE.. my setup shoots much flatter at the same weight. Because of FOC. So we can achieve a heavy arrow with say a 9%FOC .plenty of accuracy but with a flatter trajectory.. I’d be interested in y’all’s input on that logic. I know the results I’ve probably harvested more animals than each of y’all. I’ve seen first hand many instances. I do tune bows, build arrows, all the above. Have been since the early 90s. Wonderful content and thanks for the conversation with RF..
IP nock is probably the best nock out right now. I use them on all my target and hunting arrows
That is the problem with the bow shop by me
Pretty sure @brandonmcdonald hates us 🥺😭. Lol no more videos
If you hit above the lung and it didn't drop, you shot back strap meat rt under the skin and that's all …there is ZERO space between top of lung and spine
I shoot 90 # bowtech 450 grains at 320 fos shoots just as good as my 70 # mathews with 600 ranch fairy arrows
I think one of the biggest issues with the Archery community is that with social media and the internet a lot of people have opinions based on knowledge they didn’t earn. They just consumed it and regurgitated it. The other hindrance is that anyone can criticize without credentials. There’s no need to rally in to camps or tribes.
You, yes you. Go shoot your bow and come up with your own conclusions. Listen and consume but don’t assume you know what you’re talking about until you try it.
For as much time as they have spent working with bows and making content centered around archery, it is wild to me to hear a statement that you can't shoot a 400 grain arrow with an 80 lb bow or that it is difficult to get good arrow flight. That simply isn't true. It's just basic tuning like you would with any other setup.
I just feel like when you get an arrow that light and you're trying to push it that hard instead of it being drugged through the air it's being pushed really hard from the ass in and it's just so finicky I tell you now I always shot a heavy arrow and never do it and never even really knew that you know what I mean
So I like a super light Arrow you're going to have to really pay attention to everything which way the string is served the not fit the Nock pinch every single little thing in my point of view I feel like a heavier arrow is just more forgiving
Do you know how long Josh has been practicing the art of shooting like that though he has went through several several intense situations to get himself there where he's at and I guarantee it it was a heavy ass Arrow really high pound each bow
Perfect example right here I had a deer come in on my far left what kind of quartering to me a little bit I was shooting double bevel Broadhead right so I'm thinking I'm just going to put it right on the shoulder and let it eat okay but this was a double bevel I couldn't have done this with the mechanical there's no way in hell I would have just found stuff it hit the shoulder big phone right there for the all about the knuckle on the chest so I hit a little high but I was in an elevated tree stand I should have aimed a little lower but the Broadhead road to the left okay it was super sharp so it rolled toward his chest so not going towards the vitals going the opposite way like literally going to miss him but it may contact with that shoulder and shots straight across his brisket never went inside the animal okay but exploded the shoulder cut everything it touched because it was razor sharp he walked over about 20 yards laid down and bled out simple fact was I exploded that shoulder but that didn't help me what helped me was the fact that the arrow kept going and it was razor sharp and cut everything in its path every big artery and vein that was in that shoulder he just lost every bit of blood within a couple minutes
So I had the PSC and still have the Evo sc34 and the PSC told me to start it at 7 8 off of the riser a complete 16th or whatever over 3/4 that's way outside what I come to find out is they had the wrong limbs on the wrong side of the bowl it's supposed to be like a mix match and you work from the top right lightest to heaviest clockwise so your light is Slim will be at the top right your heavy is limb will be at the top left I had so much trouble with that boat trying to get it to shoot broadheads now I have the new BowTech it's the 34 that like dark gray color and it is a rocket I love it is the most amazing feeling bow and arrow I have ever shot and I have a lot I have the big 38 target bow all set up with the whistles and buttons you know I I really love archery I got my own string making jigs I got my own boat press Vise I got everything you could think of you know that is a Archer's paradise and I have shot a lot of bow and arrow and it is the most forgiving most amazing draw cycle when it comes to the holding weight you can play with that
Brandon just said something that a lot of people might not have heard but to do bare shaft tune you better make sure your grip is good your stance your form and your release because I tell you right now if you're slapping the hell out of the trigger it's going to be really hard for you to Bear Chef too
A lot of the time when learning to and say you do go to the shop and you ask him to do something you want to watch what they're doing turn around fiddle around for a couple seconds and bring it back out to you and say it's good you know and usually if you got like a severe tear out the top let's say the knock is going out the top that means your top cam is picking up faster and the other way if it's at the bottom it means your bottom cams picking up faster
You know a lot of Target archers will tune their bare shaft with the rip in the paper a lot of guys feel like it feels the same exact Arrow every time and then if they do a bullet hole they feel like it's not as forgiving I've heard this several times this is target archery
If a man shots a 400 grain head connected to a 400 spine arrow out of a 70 pound bow, would the arrow not fold in half immediately upon firing? All the weight in the front and the force in the back. You’re saying it will fold like a banana on target?
Based on my own experimentation from a 400 grain arrow at 55lbs and a short 400 spine now going up to a 500 grain Easton Axis which includes a brass insert, Easton collar, and a 100 grain head, I can see the penetration difference and hear the impact. It has also quieted the bow. I upped my poundage from 55 to 60 and these arrows are hitting like a truck. I may be a little slower but I will take that as a plan B option.
I’m just disappointed I did not draw this year for deer in CO.
Anything bowmar is dogshit. Those heads are junk
420 grains is more than enough on a deer!
Lmmfao😂 1 min in and this clown talkin 1200 Mf grain arrow lmmfao😂