Dave Cameron | Coming in Hot LIVE – July 15

Dave Cameron joins the show – One of the most decorated team Canada coaches in history, the former Sens coach is back to lead the World Junior team once again and this time it’s in front of the hometown Ottawa crowd. The Boys check in with the former CHL Coach of the Year. Cameron is known for his dry wit and story telling, it will be a great way to start off the week.

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e time now for coming in hot with Brent Wallace and former Ottawa Senator Jason [Music] York happy Monday morning everybody Brent Wallace alongside Jason York and sea Simpson as the show is proudly presented by betway uh good morning and happy week everybody we’re by the we are halfway through July I just want to point that out maybe that’s a little bit crazy where did the time go simmer oh I know I know focusing on soccer focusing on Trump focusing on everything else and before you know it it’ll be good old training camp and this brings back Yorkie the old Vibes of maybe I should start working out right now it’s is mid July training cap isn’t that far away better get at her hey the the some guys that just leave okay I’m going to start next week I’m going to start next week it’s mid July and some guys are just panicking they know the fat test is coming they’re panicking oh there’s always a couple of guys like that we’ll ask our our our guest today then head coach Dave ceron the aluto 67 we going to ask him if he can tell guys who are out of shape when they show up at training camp find out absolutely uh well speaking of which good morning coach morning gentlemen hey Dave morning Dave first of all Dave I’m just curious if you’ve got any time for hobbies in your life you seem to be coaching all summer long every year well you know we’re very very uh excited the longer you’re involved in the summer generally it’s a reflection on your year whether it’s late in the June for playoff runs or whether you have an opportunity to uh be part of one of the hockey Canada events so uh it’s extra work in that but uh it’s very exciting time too okay so what do you do for fun what do I do for fun I I’m a I’m a kind of a fitness uh guy I love I love biking uh like do a ton of biking I I enjoy my time in the gym and golf gol golf I don’t know if you call it golf or walk in the woods but yeah I like getting over on the golf course I uh I don’t keep scored and like I told you in my in my text my game’s like the Marines it’s an adventure that’s the kind of guy I’d like to golf with you have great golf courses too in PEI unbeliev yeah it’s unbelievable you know anything that’s you know most of them are set on a water setting and and things like that so yeah it’s it is beautiful out here to golf and and uh it’s a it’s a obviously an attraction I can’t wa you to invite me are you um he he’s he he always tries to weasel in the invitations hey are you are you a um are you a like skinny Tire like road bike with the skinny tires or you go the big tires you on a hybrid bike what what kind of bike you doing road bike I do the road bik where I I live right in Ottawa Kelly and I live right at the uh in lown so we’re able we’re able to go I think it’s about a 10 K click and we’re Gat old park oh how nice is that oh well after I near died the first couple of times Kelly bikes quite a bit and so she convinced me a year or so ago they going the Gat old park and she had a few Hills there so get didn’t get going and it’s like get El starts off grad no that’s not bad then I get halfway up pink there and I’m breathing out as body parts I didn’t know was possible yeah hey one of the for people watching one of the nicest views in the city hey Dave when you finally get up to Pink Lake that view is unbelievable yeah it is and it’s it’s uh and they closer to traffic you know a lot of the time too right so so that’s a big thing about biking and is that you know that the safety of it too and uh you know with the way especially here in pi where the roads are a little bit narrow and people are texting all the time it you do have to really really be careful but you get in that Park and you know the trees and the nature and you know you’re feeling good and you know you’re feeling like you’re in pretty good shape and then somebody Blows By you about 20 miles an hour faster than you’re going oh I’m not near in shapes I think I am uh all right so the reason I wanted to bother you on a lovely summer morning is I want to talk World Juniors you are Dave I don’t know if you know this the only head coach for Team Canada for three World Juniors so as you uh get ready to coach the Ottawa team or I guess in Ottawa this year for 2025 the only guy who will be at the helm three times as head coach go that at least that goes back to when it’s the come the world juniors in like the early 70s somebody said Brent Suter did it three times too well then I’m gonna have to double check because I went through it twice and that I’m gonna blame Hockey Canada’s website if it’s wrong so you tied him for the lead then yeah uh so can you tell take us through I there’s a 10year gap almost uh between head coaching jobs for World Juniors right 2011 uh and then 2022 am I right here yeah so did you think you would get a third shot no not not I’ll be honest with you no it’s it’s uh so one of the one of the great things about about working with hockey Cano I did some under 18 I did the world men’s championship and of course it’s the hype of of the these events when you just look at them and as as each one it’s it’s pretty unique and stuff like that but from a coaching point of view it’s huge too because the staffs you work with and and the people the people that you learn from too so as excited as I am to get in here this NE this next time about coaching the under 20 team or coaching it here in Canada I’m everybody’s excited as what I’m going to learn from my coaching staff and and and because in because once you coach for a period of time uh it it’s not like anything that you learn is going to be you know Earth shattered it’s not about Reinventing the game but it’s about keeping up to you know the different strategies there’s a ton of real good coaches and hockey people out there and whether you go to a coach’s conference or you’re part of this program you you’re if you go in with an open mindset you you you pick up stuff and I’m everybody excited about that uh you know to to reboot me to refresh me to bring something back back to the Ottawa 67 so it’s a real win uh when I got when I got uh asked to do it in 2022 I was I was I know shock might be too strong but I was out of the blue I was ready to go back to Europe I I really enjoyed Kelling I really enjoyed Europe and and uh where we were we were we were comfortable over there and then of course the job opened up in Ottawa with Andre turn moving on of course I knew Andre I and I done some world Juniors work together with the SS and James Boyd and I have a long history of going back so I knew them just not as hockey people but as friends and and had kept in contact with them when they were running the 67s and therefore I knew how well run this this 67s organization is and it it it’s run I’ve been in the NHL and this has run as good as as NHL teams that that’s how good a job we get and so what does that mean well that means what resources do you have uh you know to run your teams to run your teams in this case teenagers and we have the best of everything we have the best you know our faciliity is a little old but it’s good we have Fitness we have mental health we have trainers we have equipment guys we we have a we have everything and you know I jokingly say your big job as a as a coach is to eliminate excuses for your players so we certainly do that in Ottawa and the other thing is is I learned over the years is that in longevity of your career the biggest factors who you work for right you know that that and where you get your team where’s your team at when when you take it over in terms of you know is it is it rebuilding is it a playoff team or is it a team that’s ready to make some noise in the playoffs and a lot of times in Canada that gets everybody say well that’s a pretty easy read but it gets muffled in Canada simply because of the hype and there’s a lot of lot of promises made based on hype and anytime you make a promise based on hype uh you know that’s that’s kind of like buying a lotto ticket it may or may not happen and the odd the OD is not going so yeah so I was really that and then to get this next opportunity I I strongly say shock isn’t too strong a word but like I tell everybody kind of jokingly when I get asked I say yes before they change their mind so does coaching in Ottawa in that building make a difference for you for the history well well yeah I think there’s like it’s it’s Canada you know it’s it’s my home City now and it’s where I had my first one in 09 where I was part of the staff of Pat Quinn so I don’t know that’s ironic or full circle or what so uh yeah really really pumped about the fact that it’s that it’s in the Canadian city and certainly Ottawa this is good to city is any to host it hey Dave what’s what’s what’s been the key for you like how do you keep the fire going after all these years I’m scared to have to get a real job stuff don’t work out that’s a that’s a good question because you know a lot of times when you’re in it and you’re you’re sitting around the table whether it’s with your family your buddies and you know and you get talking and it’s like anything else like in life it gets rolling along and until you actually stop and do the math you kind of forget how long it’s actually been but it’s it’s I don’t know it’s it I think it was just in me uh you know my my first coaching job was was we grew up I grew up in a small farming Community King cor which there there’s numerous communities so our others we played hockey and then their other sport was fast pitch and every Community had a fast pitch team of course being from King core and all all closely Nick guys and one thing about the people from King core myself included you don’t have to worry about what we’re thinking we’ll tell you and we’ll we’ll argue even if we don’t believe in what we’re arguing for so we had a we had a group that grew up together and a lot of them a lot of them went on and played senior hockey in the island and and won the championship for years so we were in a good cycle of athletes so I was away and come home and finally after going through couple of coaches on the softball team because nobody would put up with us because I was a guy that was away I had the least probably Connection in terms of playing hockey with them all so I ended up coaching them and so so it was it was uh it was a challenge and I I had four brothers on the team and so I didn’t have to worry about how I handled each one but if I sat another one there the other three had come to his rescue I thought they were coming to his rescue so we had some Lively debates and to the point where to the point where after each game one guy’s responsibility was to bring 24 beer and we’d sit around and drink the beers and and if you made an error in that game or you struck out in a key situation we roasted you to the point to the point we got some guys from other communities come in and play with us they were they were in awe that we could say those things to one another nobody was offended and also to that Dave do you look back and appreciate the journey now I I mean I’m assuming starting out in the junior hockey you end up in the American Hockey League the National Hockey League you’re over to Vienna now you’re back with otwa and you’re coaching the world Jor and you just kind of take that moment and sit back and realize wow what an adventure both on and off the ice it’s been yeah and the other thing was it was like one of the things I couldn’t get my head around is when that you when you’re in a big game either there as a player as a coach and just as you were going out to play somebody say let’s have some fun and I’m thinking only if I win like if I lose there ain’t no fun so I couldn’t get my head around that like let’s let’s have some fun let’s stay in the moment let’s enjoy it and Sean I think getting back as I got older I’m better able to do that now yeah yeah you know and it’s it’s I think that’s a probably the biggest advantage that that experience gives you is your your ability actually I I don’t know if I can if I’m going out into a big game you know whether it’s elimination game in the playoff or game seven or a chance to win a champ I don’t know if I’m going out there I don’t know if enjoy is the right word yeah but I I think appreciate might be a better word you know you get out there and and you kind kind of kind of instead of getting ready in the game you’re kind of taking a look around and you’re feeling the vibe of of of the crowd and you’re watching your players and you’re thinking boy I’m lucky to be in this spot but once that game starts you know there’s no real Joy unless I’m in the on the lead coming on the scoreboard so you and by the way people don’t know you’ve been coaching since uh 1984 85 in the Summerside capitals of the maritime Junior Hockey League if I’m not mistaken so long time so here’s the thing when I used to interview you in 20145 you uh would be great until the camera came on and then you would absolutely give me nothing SFA Rel a better term like you nothing and now I see you you’re celebrating wins in the locker room you’re dancing with the 67s how much have you let your hair down in basically the last 10 years well I think I think a lot of it is is especially when you’re in the National Hockey League like I I always say that the the toughest part coaching in the National Hockey League is you can’t be honest like you know like you you might go out and say say your Goldie has a bad game so I don’t let’s say there’s 18,000 people watching there’s another say a million watching on TV everybody in the world knows your Goldie wasn’t very good right so the guy asked what your golden wow we didn’t play well enough in front of them well the the reason being is that is that you’re scared you come back in that the goalie ha you management hates you because you threw your players under the bus and and the media then jump all over that and want to make it a two or three day in the newspaper so it’s kind of self you know perservation so like I look at it this way it’s like it’s like uh and and that’s the great thing about coaching I follow other sports I read Lots on coaches and trying to keep the keep up the the pulse of what’s going so it’s ironic because and everybody says you hate the media no not at all the media does a great job and stuff like that but you got to know what you’re dealing with with the media like are they gonna are they going to make a spark of forest fire and a prime example this year is Rick tet so Rick Comm in and he did an unbelievable job but he just told the truth in his interviews and so that’s go one of two ways we thrown his players under the bus but for Rick it went great communicator like oh what a great communic he’s everybody would like to have the media portray them as that way because most of them are great communicators like like you’re not coaching today if you can’t communicate Rick bonis did the same thing yeah yeah yeah he went right he went hard after the Jets and Sh Shel Keef does it he gets roasted yeah yeah right well DJ Smith had to lie for like four straight years about what was going on with his Hockey Club yeah but Wally but Wally thank God for the coaches room he Dave because you can get in there and just let your true feelings in it’s good job that that doesn’t get bug sometimes or that but it’s it’s the same thing too the other thing the other thing today missing from hockey and this is again just my opinion from back when I started is is characters know I remember being a junior kid to do something and you bring him in and you read kind of read him to ride act close the door then they’d leave then you’d close the door again the two coaches you die laugh and say can you believe did that that’s great but now with with what’s going on and we you have to be so careful now of of what you say and the other thing that’s missing is a sense of humor you got to be really careful of of what what you’re saying because it it’s gone from like if you had a team say 20 players the only time you would get in any kind of trouble is if you said or did something that probably offended 16 or 18 of them if you say something that offends one person now you you’re called to the carpet for it right so y it’s I I think I’m the funniest guy in the world but I I really careful what I say now and what I think is funny may not come across as funny but I I that sense of you I bite my tongue Lots now because I love getting in there and just you know I would love to you and I had a 40-minute conversation the other day I would that itself should have been the podcast because you were you were hilarious so especially about your golf game but anyway we’ll move on um yeah so as you prepare for 2025 can now that you’ve done it it it must feel like it’s pretty normal I mean you’ve been a part of Team Canada eight times this will be the eighth time is like is there a pressure at the head coaching job or is it just another coaching job for you of really highly talented players no I I think because of the nature of the term of there’s pressure and because of the expectations there’s there’s pressure too right but I I I honestly think that in in this in this job because I because I’ve done it so much is that and and because because where I’m at in my coaching career um you know that the pressure is is more manageable and here’s what I mean by that is that like people ask me would you love go back to the NHL of course so I I I would love to go back to NHL it’s it’s the elite of the elite but but I’m not chasing ing it and what I mean by that is that I’m not I’m not fing people I’m I’m not chasing it um I’ve always been off the off the contact set if you want to know what kind of Coach I am just come watch my team now you sit down talk to me I can blow smoke with the best I always say come come and watch my team so I think a a lot of the pressure comes in this job and and it was me in 2011 you’re trying to move up right you’re trying to move to a higher level and so a lot of people use use this as a gauge as a gauge to is he ready to move to the next level and that and do I want to move to the next level yeah but is it the end of the world if I don’t no so that changes the whole heat of the pressure um you know I I still put heat on myself because I I hate losing I’m I’m competitive I hate losing but because I’ve been in this and and know the ups and the downs that I know I know winning isn’t everything and losing isn’t everything so that whole balance um I’m a lot better my my teeter totter is a lot more balanced now yeah hey Dave you um you just said something we talked about before you came on the show about hating to lose and I brought up uh I I brought up Mark Stone who uh you know we were talking about the other day he’s big fan of yours but you said there’s not enough guys you you think especially the players they just they they need to hate to lose you said that’s kind of missing in the game now isn’t it I I think it’s I think it’s huge I think it’s I I don’t think there had hatred to lose and and I’m not talking you know banging sticks over the crossbar I’m not talking about you know Bering referees or you know be Bering your your teammates or you know making excuses that that’s not hatred losing hatred you’re losing is do something about it you know practice harder uh compete harder you know block shots um you know you look at you look at the style of play in the in the regular season in the National Hockey League and you look at it in the playoffs you look at the desperation that goes on in the playoffs now it’s impossible to play that way for a regular season the National Hockey League with Trav on that like you you can’t play with that NHL or that playoff intensity but when it gets in when it gets into it you’re coming down to those I don’t know final four teams the final two and there’s not much difference a lot of it comes down to to who who hates to lose and get to that point really probably both teams do so you see the block shots you know you see the the Finish checks you see the guys back check and they’ll back check all year so because they they they literally hate to lose and uh and I think that’s that’s missing not just in hockey I think it’s missing in a lot of the sports uh that goes on and and that’s just the Nature Way the world’s moving and to that Dave I don’t want to use the term in a bad way but do you think we become Americanized because my kids played in the United States and so much more of the focus was on the individual versus the team and do you think that mentality when it comes to Junior Hockey now and you involve the parents you involve the agent that there is a little bit more of hey a little bit more of Me versus necessarily the team yeah that’s your big challenge now Sean is is the seld the team you know because because my experience at all different levels and and across different countries is that at the end of the day when it’s two equal teams playing for a championship which normally there is it comes down to the best team because the talent’s pretty even you know it comes down to the best team and you ask you ask your players you ask your players to turn their skill over to the team and one of the one of the the things about doing this hockey Canada and interviewing these kids now it’s it’s kind of ironic in a way so you you view your kids coming in or you interview them one-on-one and you talk to them about different roles and and you know what they’re willing to do to make the team well there’s nothing they wouldn’t do like they jump off a building to make this team and they sit there and they tell you that I think in their in their internal system they honestly believe that but when push comes to shove and now you start managing the rice time and moving the rice time around they look at you and you see that remember what you told me and they’re just they’re just no no that’s I that’s not me it’s everybody else is going to sacrifice maybe not me so you know that that whole team thing is is that you know I was talking we little family outing here so I was talking to my brothers I four brothers and we’re talking about playing hockey and and I one of the observations I made over the years is that I don’t care I don’t care so I’m going back and I don’t know when the pendulum swung I don’t think it just swings from one the other Grazzy but when I first started playing hockey like the local high school team tier to my university team minor Pro uh the NHL uh if you were 20 guys on the team back then when you walked into the dressing room everybody knew who the best five players were that was obvious everybody knew the best fight and they would do anything be the next we won the next 15 they would they just do whatever they could to make that team now when you’re walking in the dressing room you probably got 15 that think they’re the best and if you were five or the other guys that are willing to do the grun work and stuff like that you got a lot and so you know pentalum is swung and you know the horse in the C is switched around and stuff like that and and now your other big challenge with with kids today and it’s the kids today are great they’re they’re really skilled in that but one of the challenges with with the kids today in the age group I think it probably in the NHL too is that um they don’t self-evaluate real well you know their their idea of of what a what a good shift is or what a good period is and stuff like that isn’t uh always accurate and I think a lot of it has to do with with uh you know who’s in the rear or like who who outside the coaches is you know directing them and and things like that and and uh yeah so it’s it’s it’s a challenge yeah Dave it’s uh I noticed that too I coached just tier 2 Junior a for for five years but you when you take a kid and and you ask him well hey yeah like I had a scoring chance that shift or it’s like but did you make the right decision with the puck did you not turn off and finish your hit just it’s just a little things in the game right now I find the young guys like I don’t know if it’s a hockey sense thing or it’s to Sean’s Point what they’re doing like more skill it’s just just a little bit different than it used to be yeah and it it’s it’s and the kids like I can’t say enough but the kids like like good kids and yeah they’re good kids and and that they want and I I think part of it part of it too is that I’m not sure how much of a full game that they watch I think they watch the the highlights and then every everybody everybody wants to be that highlight guy which is fine I mean that’s that’s what it’s all about you don’t want to pigeon hole guys especially the age I get them 16 17 and 18 real quick you know you want to give them an opportunity to to move up and up and down the lineup but at the end of the day um you know what we do is is at the trade deadline we post on the board the guys that teams are are trading for that and it’s it’s not the the high-end guys too often it’s it’s the guys that basically you know when you put them on the ice what they’re going to do and you know they’re the depth guys they’re the third and fourth line guys and and uh every team has them and and uh you know your team your team any team that wins isn’t onedimensional you know it it has to be able it has to be able and just have listen to playoffs to to do that but and I think I think the kids today in junior hear that but they they don’t believe it and I think a big part of the reason I don’t believe it is that is that um is that they they don’t watch and they they don’t really study uh they’re they’re just in and out and and you know they they want they want to get in and out they want the to drag they want the Michigan goal and uh that’s that’s again that’s that’s part of your challenge as part of it Dave though do you think it’s also made Junior Hockey a lot better and I think about your program which is one of the best in the world um but I also think back to when York and I played in the mid 80s accountability of the program and I think the competition with college and the fact that kids now have choices in a lot of ways is probably elevated what you have to do now to keep players yeah you you have to you know you have to provide you have to provide uh like I say eliminate EXC you have to provide like we have skill coaches that Comm in that do an excellent job we we have everything too but it’s it’s uh kids today and it’s not just in hockey kids kids today if if the program gets hard if program gets hard uh the kids today are more apt to change to look to go somewhere else to to fit what they perceive as what’s best for them rather than come in and I know when I first started coaching in the OHL if if you had a if you ran a good program on and off the ice you you had a good program then that that just sucked kids in and your team was good like that that would now a good program doesn’t guarantee that because because kids will come in now and they’ll they’ll still they’ll still evaluate like they appreciate what you do and stuff like that but it’s more about what can you do for me like am I on your top lines you know am I what do I got to earn my ice time and all those things now factor into what kids and and the representative deem a good a good program you know rather than just come in and be one of the 15 roll up your sleeves and and see see what you are and the young guys come in and they’re really skilled and the big challenge with the young guys is and this is a good challenge is that they they want to play their whole careers every game they want to fast forward which is good like they’re energized they’re going you just have to say no no you know just just relax here this is a process there’s other good teams and you you’ll develop and and your chance of going pro isn’t what you do as a as come in now it’s a work you put in and as you leave as a 19y old what what how have you improved how have you gotten better what part of your games have you developed that that’s going to be your your beacon to get to the pro level is the work that you do now and then so just take a breath here and Comm in okay I’m gonna uh we got to switch it up because we’ll be here all day I’ve got a ton of questions I want to ask you about fighting Larry Murphy also want to ask you about Ridley Greg and zacho stuk who you coached at the world juniors so can you tell me as a CO coach of the national team uh you you’re going to a training camp here at the end of the month uh you’re going to go to Windsor uh back to York’s great spot uh then you’re going to play Sweden at an exhibition game you’re also goingon to then go to Plymouth and play USA and Finland uh at that showcase so how much of a say do you have in who the players are on that team well it’s a collaboration obviously and and uh it it’s you can’t have full control Sy because I don’t know the players I don’t know Western League guys I don’t know the Quebec League guys and what I say about that is when I say I don’t know them I mean really know them you know what’s what’s their DNA because it’s not about it’s not about taking the 13 like if we take 134 it’s not about taking 13 leading scorers you know we we have to build a team here so we have to take guys that can score we also have to take guys that can shut down the other team scores guys that you can put on the ice that that you know think defense first uh when you have a lead and and there’s crucial moments in the games and things like that so uh I I don’t know them enough in depth and stuff like that so and that’s the other thing about Hockey Canada they’ve done of my experience they’ve done such a great job of identifying the players uh who best fits and and then I’ll get to see them this Summer which is great I’ll get my first real stamp on the guys from the other leagues and then we’ll have a we’ll follow them we’ll have meetings from September through to December and we’ll invite I don’t know 30 kids at the summer camp and to cut our roster down so it’ll be a work in progress but there’ll be all of say but there’ll be a lot of lot of uh good discussion as you can imagine when it gets down those last few there’s really not much difference like that’s that’s the depth of our pool how good is the team you’re gonna have I know that’s a stupid question because it should be a gold medal Team all the time but do you worry about that stuff going in you go this is the team we’ve got we should be fine regardless like how often do you measure up what your other team other countries look like does that make sense yeah you you do but the bulk of the time is spend in your Club we’re gonna be competitive as they’re going to be four or five teams are going to be competitive so now now you’re getting a a tournament so now you got to perform so we’re going to be competitive we got to find a way to win you know that’s why that’s why the selection of your team is is so important right because you just can have guys that are that are you know really good when the team’s ahead are really good when things are going good you need some guys that when that momentum switches cuz it’s going to switch you need guys that you you tap in the back and you know it’s like Mark Stone you know when you put them on the ice what you’re getting and so to find to find all that and then as much as there’s four or five teams can win it there’s no easy games anymore everybody gets ready for Canada and you can stumble and if you stumble now you’re playing from behind and now the pressure is on because you’re in Canada but one of the biggest things I learned from my last experience is that you always know the difference in Junior from year to year like players develop that we call it the X Factor but you don’t know how big it’s going to be for some guys it’s huge for other guys it’s marginal but if you take that team that I had uh that started at the Christmas tournament and and the team that I had that won it in the summer so we’re looking at what nine months there and so the guys that won the Medal in the summer the bulk of those guys because we had a turnover of seven guys it didn’t come didn’t come whether they were hurt whether they were getting ready for NHL teams or whe they were worried about some other factors we had seven guys that didn’t come from the winter winter program to the summer so the guys we picked up were the guys we cut in that December pool and not only they come they were real good players for but that just showed me like SLA me right in the face with the growth in a short period of time that these Junior kids can go through so yeah it’s really hard because because not like we’re get we’re taking 40 guys this summer but I can guarantee you that there’ll be somebody make the team is not this summer camp because because there always is there’s somebody that that you know he really Sprouts up or shoots up and and we’ll identify him and that’s why we watch them and stuff like that so BR answer your question I expect us to be really competitive we got to find a way to win okay so back to 2020 oh yeah go ahead George well just you you threw it a couple names I know a lot of people people in Ottawa know about Ridley Greg we pretty well know what he is but we got a little chance a little snippet of Zach a stop check last year and he looked really good I I’m interested to get to know your thoughts on on a stop check because we only saw a little bit of him well again that’s that’s collaboration right because Mike dick was his coach and and was on our staff and he was a big Advocate off them uh and and so he was in that group of players you know that you know were coming down the end is he going to make teams he not going to make the team but fortunate enough that we had a guy on staff that really knew him and could really tell you what his DNA was I mean you don’t have to watch a guy a whole lot in off cap pasate shoot yeah but but until you see a guy every day you really don’t know what his DNA is you know we talk about making guys competitive and and I’m not sure how much we can because I think that’s in your DNA we can bring it out we could maybe like install some of it into you but it’s very rare that you get a guy that by the time we get them at 16 or 17 that turns the thing on about being competitive either I think either he is or he isn’t you know you bench him you know you you call him out a little bit yeah that gets a short term but the real longterm DNA is is until you see a guy every day I don’t think you know it and that’s like really Greg we talk about old school guy like he comes in and I jokingly said that told him that when when you’re done as a hockey player I wouldn’t be surprised if you became a sniper because he just sits there looks you right in the eye and he don’t he don’t blink he don’t he don’t give anything away and then when you drop that puck again and that’s the that’s it’s we call those guys old school but that that’s one of the Five Guys I’m talking about that that if you have five of those guys on your team now you got a lot so did you he had the slapshot into the empty net I guess as you’re watching that or seeing the Highlight what’s your reaction I like it both ways I like him doing it and I like Toronto responding that’s that’s that’s the old school hockey and I know hockey purs get all up and you can’t do that and you can’t do yeah you can he can and and uh I don’t think anybody left the rink when I was going on nobody got hurt and and that’s that’s the competitive nature that’s that’s the hatred of losing uh you know I think he did it because because I I was sick and tired at hyper Toronto every time they played Toronto Toronto fans in the building and Toronto said no no no you’re not going to show us up and stuff like that that’s that’s the the hatred of losing and and things like that too so uh I liked it and its emotion and it’s uh I I was a little surprised he was a little more ready though when when Morgan yeah but anyway I don’t mind that I also gonna ask you about sorry GNA ask you about Tyler bushe and just the roller coaster that poor fell has been on not only with the injuries but honestly the hype and I think the pressure of where he was drafted has not had been easy Road for him no I I I feel so terrible for that kid like in terms of the injuries it’s just like it makes no sense but that’s that’s the way it goes and it makes no sense and we got Tyler he came in and and uh he was one of he was one of the guys that that I really enjoyed in our dressing room and that because when I told some old stories he knew them because his dad played and uh and so he would kind of laugh along and stuff like that but yeah and I think he he was he was was in that draft where the co draft where nobody really seen uh the type of player so so there was there was some um projection made as there always is uh and uh he got into I think a spot where he put a lot of pressure on himself excuse me he put a lot of pressure on himself because of where he was picked and stuff like that and I think uh we kind of helped him with that a little bit just hey that’s that’s just an arbitrary number somebody put on you it’s about you developing your career and stuff like that and uh and then you know he was really excited to go and he he started his career Pro and then just never really got off the ground like with one injury after another and stuff like that so I I hope he gets he gets himself healthy enough and is able to play for a prolonged period to to determine what is he you know as a player and and when he get that opportunity then you know the ball’s in your court and and you are what you are do you have a favorite Junior player you’ve coached uh yeah I I would I I had a lot of I had a lot of players has been so long since I done I have to take a time here to think but the name the name that comes right off the Hop was uh Casey cikas my my captain in Mr Saga you talk about a throwback player and and Casey C is has a lot of lot of Mark Stone in him probably certainly not not as offensively gifted as Mark but in terms of Team concept and you watch those guys on the bench and I point this out to my team all the time like you you watch when Vegas scores a goal watch when Mark stones on the ice doesn’t score it watch when he scores it watch when he’s on his bench when teamm teammate scores it he’s every B excited and all three of those scenar because it’s it’s what’s best for the team and Casey Seas was the same and the other thing that that separates those guys is is that you you can’t wear the m in practice they they love the practice and uh so when when Casey was in Miss Saga as first year guy so I took over that team so we kind of restart to rebuild so we so being the smart guys we were we get rid of a lot of the older guys guys but being smart as we were that meant we had to get up in the morning drive the young guys to school Bo and I because it was enough old car so Casey The Seekers was on my list so i’ pick them up school started at 8 o’clock so I was pick them up at seven and uh because I had make a couple other stops and and uh that kid had come out of that house every day I picked him up laughing getting hey coach hey coach how are you like just full of life and I would pick him up and uh and his day would go and and he couldn’t he couldn’t bring enough he loved the game so Casey’s probably and he went through some adversity um off ice so Casey Casey was was probably one of my favorites yeah amazing too every NHL team wants a guy like that on their fourth line it’s just you can’t find them it’s just so hard to find and it’s hard to believe that right but that’s that’s that’s what we try to tell our kids but everybody wants to come in and wants wants to be the best player all the time which is fine it’s nothing to strive for that but it’s about the evaluation and settling in and realizing that there’s more than one Avenue here to the to the next level and I kind of use analogy of of golfing like all the best golfers use the most clubs right there’s lots of guys hit the ball off the te’s and and they don’t win a thing it’s you know being able to get out of the sand you know get out of the rough lay up when you have to it’s it’s been using all those bags well the same thing in hockey there’s different Avenues it’s not just about scoring it’s it’s about all the other stuff like there’s guys in the National Hockey League really because they’re good on face offs and and they’re you know block shots and the penalty kill and you know I we point out all the time that you know the last time I checked I I said I think the average salary is 2.5 million it might be gone up and and I said you tell me any other job where the average average salary 2.5 so it’s h but it’s that that gets lost like that’s that’s no nobody wants nobody wants that grunt work or not enough I shouldn’t say that not enough want that grunt work I got a guy in my team Brad heret who’s who embraced that embraced that grunt work and uh he he’s really a throwback guy and we don’t have enough of them Dave look at at the uh big picture is teams how impressed are you with the American program over the years the pride they’ve instilled not to mention how many great players and on the other side uh I understand we won’t get political um but how how is it going to World Jor when Russia’s not involved yeah it’s it’s uh it’s not the same BEC You know because of because of the Rivalry and it’s it’s you know it’s you understand you know the reasons behind it um you know but at the same at the same time uh I kind of use the analogy of over the years over the years when I’ve been coaching especially when I was GM there would be incidents with kids where where you really had no trouble with the kid but it was you know the parents that were that were challenging you and stuff like that and my first inst my first instinct with them was well just I’ll just get rid of the kid and the problem go away but but then I realized no that’s not right like why why would I why would I punish the kid because uh you know there’s some issues that’s that he has no say in really and I find that a little bit about the the Russians is that like these kids there not everybody in Russia wants to go to war not everybody in Russia that that agrees what’s going on there and so should we punish these these kids for that and I mean that’s that’s a debate that’s there’s no answer to that so I kind of put that it was not the same not the same uh certainly without without them uh quick I have a couple of pictures Dave before we go uh and I will get to the fight well actually do you remember fighting Larry m I looked through your Rost your your games played and I see some fights I see you fought two Hall of Fame defensemen in Larry Murphy and Paul coffee and I’m like what did they do to you that you fired them up to drop the gloves well my fighting career I beat up a lot of hands I tell you that so was I I I probably was would be one of the all-time best Grapplers if you look at my fighting career so I was but that now I I I don’t I don’t remember pro pro probably I was sick and tired them not giving me the puck I wasn’t I wasn’t the best skater in the world so imagine me trying to catch Paul coffee yeah well that’s what were you yeah I don’t think he fought a lot so I’m I’m shocked is you got coffee had coffee had more fights than people think you know like he’d get he’d get pissed off like he he had a I think he’s York when you say that I think he’s up there in the Gordy how hat tricks to be honest with you and and so that would be I think Larry Murphy is more of the surprise in Paul coffee because yeah no as anybody that knows Larry um that’s not really his you you got to be uh gotta be pulling hard coach to get him to fight D Dave you like this you like you like this is right up your alley I I was trying to make the Red Wings one year and coffee was there and it was exhibition and we were playing in Vancouver and he did not want to play in the game and he knew I was try he knew I was trying to make the team really bad so cough goes out first period and he’s yelling at the ref telling the ref to f you f you because he’s trying to get kicked out of the game and the ref’s like well cough what are you doing like I didn’t do anything to you and finally cough grabs the guy and tries to get a guy to fight him the guy won’t fight him because he’s Paul coffee finally the ref gives him penalty cough tells the ref to [ __ ] off again then finally gets kicked out of the game cough skates off the Bas gives me a little tap on the bench he goes there you go kid five defense now go show bman what you can do that’s that’s old school my my two my two memorable fighting uh stories uh both could have led to the death of me so you can you can imagine I I Comm out the University of Prince Edward Island they go pro so we’re talking back late 7 7s that’s when the all the exhibition games were brawls and so anyway I was smart enough to know that that you know you you could be scared to death but you can’t show it so we’re playing the Boston Bruins in an exhibition game and there’s a bit of a Ruckus going on and so anyway growing up with four brothers the one thing I did know was you don’t go into a scrum or anything with your hands down right because somebody going to Cuff you outside head so there was a whole bunch of Milling around going on and there was a couple fights but anyway so I’m I’m there and this guy comes over and and he just kind of looks at me and says you know okay let’s go Center ice here and and I’m going I’m in an island here and I’m going well I gotta go I guess no idea so anyway just as I’m starting to go Dy R gear I don’t remember that name manager in Buffalo absolutely yeah D and I played in the miners together he grabbed me and brought me back so anyway so I didn’t get so anyway so that happened to be Al SEC Court so that would that would have been another time I’m another time I’m in New Jersey and I broke my wrist so I get sent down and and uh we’re playing we’re playing in Adar Rond so I get sent down of course I my career was up and down and if if I get Hur or there was a change I was a guy who was up and down so I was all right so I get down this time and I was I was a little bit up Savage you know come down so we’re playing that R back and J Gant Turk was playing R back in with Detroit so anyway I’m playing and this guy makes a run at me I mean he makes a run but I see him com and miss and he comes off the glass and he’s got this baby smile he got this gold chain on and I’m going like who do you think you are so we get added so I’m telling you he hit me the only reason he didn’t kill me was that when he loaded he didn’t stop he come from the hip I got the pen box my head spinning and I’m going so so we grew up after have a few beers and Turk said the burn Turk comes over me and says what are you doing fighting Joey kosher I said what are you doing telling me now that I shouldn’t Joey I’m tell you so I’m going he hit me twice on the side of the head and like I said I was peeking up as he was swinging if he’ to stop halfway and time me peeking but he was SW right in the hip and he hit my helmet I swear to God I had concussion s in the peny box with the helmet on yeah now now you know I didn’t fight much Jo Joey Kosher for Joey Kosher for for our younger listeners is one of the hardest punchers in the history of the game throwing bombs from downtown that’s what he was known for right yeah yeah okay I have two pictures I have found uh you behind the bench with Ottawa that I want you to tell me basically what’s going through your your mind if you can see these good well enough um here’s you looks like you’re yelling at Colin Greening and I hope you can see Curtis lazar’s expression on his face because he’s like ah do you do you have any recollection of this I know exactly what I’m saying now I’m saying get Pier Dorian outa here I did not pay him to say that that’s what no I I am I have no I have no idea what what be going on there but I’m I’m guessing I’m guessing we’re back on her heels I’m guessing I’m guessing momentum jumped into their bench he’s not on mine d just just thinking history wise though do do you really look back or do you think we appreciate enough the Hamburglar run like honestly like like forget about hockey forget about the Ottawa Senators like when you look at before and I know he had injuries after the fact but do you not say my God is that one of the most incredible things that you’ve ever seen certainly in your hockey career yeah you know it was it was one of those things I think that highlights that when your when your team when your team believes in one another and and gets on a rooll and and you know get some luck and some bounces uh you know that’s why you play the game anything can happen but here’s the ironic part of all that so going into the hammer ber run first of all first of all Craig Anderson got hurt yeah so so uh the hammer ham come up but he he wasn’t playing very good he wasn’t playing very good in the American League even at that time he was struggling yeah and so but that was all he was coming up his backup and so he Ste on the ice every day with Rick wday and he did extra he did extra and the guys on the team really appreciate that when the shooters like you mark Stones your TS they really appreciate Goldie STS in there and just does it he worked and so and then lo and behold Robin got hurt and so now Carolina the the concussion with Clark MacArthur yeah so now now no choice and I think at that point I think at that point there was well there was like what 20 30 games left 30 maybe a little bit so we’re sitting in the coach’s room and we’re and we’re getting ready to go on that Western swing down to Carolina and honest to God we’re saying well when we come off of this trip we’re probably mathematically eliminated from the playoffs what the hell are we gonna do for the last are you trying to call are you trying to call your real tur that time Dave we’re trying to take what the hell are we gonna do to keep this group yeah and then we go down in there and we get playing and the guys rally around them and then so uh you know we can back up we we play in Min so we won of three games down there we can back up I think we tied in Minnesota and so now we’re going into Winnipeg so at that at that time we’re going so I I I think we played in Minnesota say on uh Friday night in the game in Winnipeg wasn’t might have been an afternoon game yeah it was so Craig Anderson was coming back so Craig was cleared to play in Winnipeg so that was perfect timing so we come back so so we don’t go to the rink we just have our scrum media scrum at the hotel so that’s all good so I announced Craig Craig Anderson’s going to play and so anyway I leave I leave the media my trainer Jerry grabs me says no no he said he can’t go I said why he can’t go he can’t go so I ran back I ran back the media hadn’t left yet I ran back said no no I said update the the hamburger is gonna play so that’s all right so in in Winnipeg he is in and he’s in that and he doesn’t stop anything and he’s over in the corner k T goes to says you all right he look at KY tur he says I’m exhausted I I’m done out he stood on his head we I beat winter I don’t was 32 and not he was outstanding yeah so he was outstanding and so when you look back at that and you you enjoy the the the outcome and the whole ride and then actually having a win in Philadelphia uh the last game to get in you know and all that but it’s those little stories within that run uh that that really make it special and and the amazing thing in that run that run too is is that like guys like ler Paso um uh brain Fred here Stone no condra thank you uh they were they were LS out and that that line of KRA Paso and and Lazar like just were were the third line and they they played against everybody they were lights out if one of them had had a shot they would have scored a ton of goals because they they they dominated they held on the pucks you talk about a line that played the right way yeah and so yeah so that’s that that whole story is is uh is really amazing that uh I don’t know if you remember do you remember the train ride from New York to Philadelphia and going underneath MSG and the walk that we did the most memorable moments I ever had in that entire run was doing that walk because you’re like where are we going it was a whole different know you’re expecting to come out in China yeah you’re going down down down and it’s it’s narrow and it’s like it makes you just you’re talking about that being the eighth one of the world M the square G and when you get down in the BS of you go oh boy yeah that was special that that right that was wild okay I want uh sorry people want me to go back and ask uh Pier Dorian fired you two days after he took over as GM he replaced Brian Murray who stepped down what did he say to you in that conversation you’re fired that was it that was it so it was like a Donald Trump yeah I don’t know I don’t know if it’s exactly you’re fired but it just yeah yeah B straight right back wasn’t Jesus you didn’t enjoy him I’m going to no actually no that’s not true that that’s not true it’s like it’s like him and I him and I in in the succession for him taking over from Brian him and I uh actually did a lot of one-on one-on-one work together in terms of of you know culture and and trying to figure out what we had and stuff like that too so no I I thought I had I don’t know if he would say this but I thought him and I you know had a had a real real solid uh work relationship I’ll go so far as to say probably probably to the point that that I thought because of that uh I I would get another kick of the cat I I was because that that’s I thought we were I thought we were on the same page uh I remember that that training camp that I ran my first training camp you know uh he was very complimentary to how well organized you know our staff was in terms of running training camps and as good as he had seen when he was there and stuff that so no I and I’m just joking on the bench when I say that get uh get Pier that because I I in my opinion um we we we had a we had a really respectful and a good relationship because people heard that and they were like okay so they I just I just wanted to double check uh that comment uh finally here’s the last picture I have for you uh Eric Carlson looks to be designing a play you just you’re like okay is I would no I would say it now one I’m saying that’s late in the game the other team call a timeout and Eric says I’m not going to practice tomorrow that I can believe yeah day off tomorrow so I got a quick Eric Eric story so anyway Eric Eric’s Not Great Character like Eric’s like never mind a great hockey play Eric’s a is a great character so he used to Comm in he was playing 35 minutes he used to in and want and want time off which was no problem like that that’s what you did stuff like that but so he used to come in and he would uh he’d asked me for time offer and so my first question I would say are you looking for time off or did somebody send you in here because they need time we gotta get that straight but Eric is already good so he came in one time and I said uh give me give me 20 minutes so he left so as you can imagine in the National Hockey League in that you have minutes played on night time or night right and so and I always keep a diary of my practices how long I practice because you always if your team’s going good you go back and say say say it’s March and we were going good late January I’ll go back and look at my practice in January what got is into that that good runers or anything there so I knew exactly how much time Eric was on the ice that week so I he come back in 20 minutes I said he said yeah he sat down and Eric has a great sense of humor I don’t you guys know that about so he sat down I said Eric I said okay I said here’s what you run the ice last week so I said we practiced here I give him the minutes game mines so I had the minutes up I said there I said this is how much you make so that was there I divided that into what he was making he just he just looked at me rolled his eyes with a big smile left did he get the time off what did he get the time off anytime he needed it he I gave yeah I gave him I gave T But Eric Eric’s a great character and it’s it’s a good uh we I had a good rapport with Eric and I I liked him uh fair enough we’ve kept you way too long so uh I apologize for that I appreciate it we could probably tell some stories a few more uh hours if you will but go enjoy your golf game uh and good luck this summer and then of course of December at the world juniors my friend we’re all cheering for you yeah well thank you but you my golf game cuz go early in the morning but on the other side you save me money any golf balls today see you’re welcome thanks was great Dave thanks that was awesome yeah cheers thank you Dave coach of the World Junior Team for a third time we could have we could have sat here all morning and just drank coffee talked so good I have a whole other page yeah and and funny you mentioned about the Hamburglar run guys to me that was Mark Stone’s best hockey of his career and I think the unfortunate of that is no one got to see it because of the micr fracture and the PK subba and I hope I’m lining up the same year but he was he was magic the way he was shooting the puak York at that point and I remember that goal in Philly and then unfortunately I I think that that would have been a different Series against Montreal of stone was healthy 100% I don’t know so I talked to uh Andrew Hammond about that like and Dave brought it up of he was flat out exhausted and they I think they went for him for the first two games of the playoff you can see him struggle a bit he just okay yeah and so I don’t know if they would have regardless if they had the goal titing I don’t know if they still could have pulled it off yeah but to Sim’s point a healthy merstone would have made a huge difference huge he was to this day they never ever ever should have traded him ever yeah and that smiling part guys reminds me so much of Mark Messi I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a player that’s more excited when another guy scores and I just think of that big smile when he goes into the pile right and and and even you hear the stories about you know for rookies buying them suits and making everyone feel great you know what I mean like that that ability to spread that around that that’s what you feel like with Mark Stone and to some extent that’s what I feel like with Brady kachuck if handled properly that that that person that you know reaches out that that isn’t just about themselves it’s able to spread that love around which easier said than done when it comes to professional hockey and and I don’t think it’s about being selfish it’s about you you end up just focusing worrying so much about yourself absolutely so uh we got a oh can we throw up uh we’re doing a a show beginning of August is I’m still trying to work it out it’s called fandemonium worldwide fandemonium if you guys remember we did a fandemonium months ago it was very good this time we’re trying to get from outside basically the area uh we’ve got Belfast lined up I think uh Spain Australia uh Germany uh so uhy work out a time for all of this so if you want to join our show just send an email to the show at coming in hot send gmail.com or reach out on uh X and we’ll uh we’ll connect and then see if we can all figure out a time with everybody’s time zones that works it’ll be it’ll be good I’m looking forward to it uh also don’t forget still keep those uh contests coming in for our uh our golf day uh Corey uh is simmer neighbor and he would like to golf because he has to live next door to you uh Jeff Nolan I don’t know if you remember this Yorkie the last time I hung up with Yorkie was in Windsor in 1990 I was a rookie Winger living in playing for Detroit comp you were ambassadors we were an expansion team we had players from all over the league and the older vets were still too young to drink in Michigan so we would go to Windsor for a pop sounds like there’s a lot left out of this email uh yor love there’s a fair amount of uh I’m reading lines quite a bit of ballet in the Windsor area as well Cory right next door absolutely good good Portuguese fella yeah no what great great family that’s that’s very cool thanks for tuning in Cory I’m actually heading up to Windsor on Thursday fellas going up to uh see the in-laws and Windsor I uh thank God they thank God for the 407 now you guys like just I just take the hit take the hit I it’s worth it pay the pay the 50 60 bucks just to especially in the summer Wally you don’t want to put yourself through driving through Toronto just get on so your your your wife isn’t your wife isn’t from Ottawa York she actually’s from Windsor from Windsor from met we met in h gym class back when I went was playing forits yeah no so her her her folks lived here for a while they recently moved back yeah know it’s w Windsor’s got a bad rap but it’s a it’s got some sneaky good Parts St Clair Beach right on the water there nice little spot well the little area outside of there um John Ferguson senior lived uh is it tumpy or real nice yeah yeah no that that was a gorgeous gorgeous area yeah to come see Ontario uh home of waren Reichel isy King Kong mondy oh yeah yeah but uh no the only man the only the only man in junior hockey that ever separated his shoulder on the bus I still love that story he’s with the 67s and he’s trying to get changed as we all used to do just as you’re pulling in he was coming back from a shoulder injury and old Bundy goes down and the shoulders back out that would just that that’s that what a great guy and hey there’s a guy that made himself into a career hey hey simmer he he ended up coaching because he did a great job with the Windsor Spitfires building those teams oh big time he he’s got a great eye for talent like some of the guys he brought in but he ended up coaching the Barry Colts when my son was there okay and and and I know Bundy he’ played in Anaheim for a little bit when I was there and uh I show up for practi this it’s the middle of the Barry Colts practice and I’m sitting in cognito up in the corner he Bundy sees me during practice yells up you’re okay how you doing right come down for a beer after practice and all of a sudden everybody on the ice is looking at me up in the corner of the stand okay hey how you doing but that’s that’s that’s the type of guy is just a larger than life personality right but yeah that story I told Wally last week is that’s a true story when he was playing in Colorado and Mark Crawford was was the coach and they used to let the kids come into the dressing room his son Kirby reel who was drafted by Columbus in the first round I think that Kirby at the time when Colorado was going on those runs Warren was there Kirby was in the dressing room and he was sitting there and all of a sudden Crawford comes in and he goes play my son more you [ __ ] play my dad more play my dad more and the whole imagine a kid saying that and the whole dressing group you got Joe sack in there forsburg they all start laughing at Crawford that was right there that was one of the greatest coaching staffs of all time was Mark Crawford with assistant coaches jacqu Martin and Joel quinnville remember q and going there that that ra when you go back and how they transformed that and remember having I I’ll just tell one other quick story with Joel quille I remember asking about Peter forsberg he’s like he’s the best I’m like best what he’s like he’s our best player this was just when he had just arrived in Quebec and talking about how that trade was and the dynamic and I remember him and old Q you talk about guys that know their hockey players another Windor Spitfire hey that’s another neat part about Windsor the amount of guys that have come out of there there is a large uh group of guys that were captains of the Windsor Spitfires and played for the Windsor Spitfires they went on the coach in the NHL K Julian defenseman for the Windsor Spitfires Joel qu Paul Maurice Pete dor all captains Jason York was a captain there as well but uh Bobby is a windsor guy is well there’s just it’s just there’s something about Windsor and coaches a lot of coaches seem to Comm that program Adam oh I was gonna say Adam Grace but he’s not a coach um also uh just wait quickly before we uh get DJ DJ DJ DJ Smith played for the wi spiers too and was the captain there um quickly this show probably presented by Bano go to Bano doca uh bet your way sorry Bano holy we are gonna get fired uh the show sounds like a good Italian restaurant what an idiot uh bet your way with bet way must be 19 plus please play responsibly my apologize my apologies to the good friends at bet way also uh by Bei bonish Excavating ink helping to shape the Ottawa Valley all your Agri top Sal sales needs give them a call 6134 32120 or go to boner Excavating decom okay um oh by the way uh Dave Cameron played with Joel quinnville on just to bring It full circle yeah yep and I will uh I have reached out to Mark Crawford I’ll Circle back and see about getting him on the show as well oh he’d be fantastic I love Crow yeah a lot of people have a lot of time for Mark Crawford so we’ll uh we’ll see about that also we are show is on Wednesday this week uh next show is Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. to accommodate for York’s traveling adventure I just got a text from a top six sends forward I’m trying to work on him coming on the show on Wednesday so we’ll see if we can make this happen current current current or former current oh look at this showas well I here’s how it goes uh I sent a text on the last week like oh on Sunday hey can I get you on the show this week do you have any time yeah let’s do it and I said Wednesday 9:00 a.m. and they haven’t responded so oh all right I know I know stoner’s watching today because he he and he’s a big fan of DC loves Dave con so Stoner we gotta get you on the show too absolutely anytime from I I think the the world him so anytime he wants he has an open invitation yeah yeah yeah okay you think about the s’s culture of what you’re trying to replace is what you already had right you know when you go back to that Yorkie you know that was the one player and you know I know the back and the skating and the other stuff but it’s basically hey and we’ve had incredible talks especially with Peron with Umar and and uh um Jensen but it really is hey trying to find Mark Stones that’s what you’re trying to find now yeah culture culture culture hey W what happened to you today by the way you dropped off the show for a couple minutes you went MIA where’d you go my my uh internet just was gone sitting there where go I thought the whole show went down because everybody’s everybody’s is he G to come back do we do we know if this is something where he’s taking off and then I also got to mention to you while and I don’t know if your wife wife listens but I bought you a bird feeder just want to let you know that he you you know you know what it’s going to do a bird a bird feeder it’s gonna it’s like one of those meditation devices it’s very Tranquility yeah it’s like the guy uh it’s like the guy from slapshot there the defenseman there that started doing the killer card he started doing the meditating one L the Swami Swami Baha positive thinking albums breath in breathe Ino I I don’t need a bird feeder simmer oh you see that’s the part I didn’t even know that I needed it Wally but then when you got it I realized Yorkie just said that’s the problem with it you don’t even realize how bad like you won’t even be salty anymore you’ll be like just just creamy nice wake up in the morning birds chirping they’ll all be in your feeder you go out there good morning good morning what a day just beautiful I just I have too many squirrels and chipmunks oh no no no no no no no the feeder that you have the you get the right feeder and I I’ll I’ll throw the little shout out to the people on Bank Street the the feeder now if the squirrel or chipmunk tries to come down on it Wally it closes up like come on that don’t even use that as an excuse anymore there’s the the feeding people have realized that this is a problem no no this feed are here it is it is squirrel and chipmunk uh uh free or whatever the hell there’s way too many chipmunks and squirrels in Ottawa man it’s so annoying Birds no one needs a less salty Wall-E that it would people would be upset no okay we’ll see all right let’s get see you Wednesday morning everybody take care all right boys Che see see you everybody thanks for tuning in to coming in hot if you enjoyed the show hit that like button and be sure to subscribe to never miss an episode [Music] [Music]