There’s Only TWO Swing Mistakes in Golf

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I find that probably 90% of the people I work with don’t use their wrist and their hands correctly and that is their main problem but when you especially in the old days when you got Golf Magazine or Golf Digest in the mail or or you watch YouTube yep and people are talking about body rotation using ground forces and all that are the best players working on that stuff the answer is yes but they are already using their arms and hands correctly so their next step to learn to get even better is to learn to use their body better but for most of you watching this video I promise you you are not using your arms and hands correctly and until you do that other stuff is a waste of time period once you eliminate setup mistakes there’s really only two mistakes at golf you either make a path mistake or a club face mistake or you make both yep for the players that make both so say you have an open Club face and an outside to in path um s pretty typical yes for a high handicap player pretty typical um it’s a chicken in the egg thing or what do you fix first because if they have an open Club face and you fix their path well the ball’s going to go so far right that they won’t be able to play playable out of bounds probably right yes probably right and it’s definitely not very far yeah yep and um and so as an instructor you’ve got to figure out you know what do i f fix a guy’s path first or do I fix his Club face first yes and so I’ve always been of the belief and most of the instructors that I’ve talked to over the years believe that you change the club face first and so if if their Club face is open and you can get their Club face to square or even closed slightly if they’re still outside in over the top with their path well they’re going to hit it hard but they’re going to pull it mhm and but once they see that they’re hitting it hard and pulling it uh if they continue to have a square face or slightly shut then they can start making their path go more uh inside out or inside to inside it’s the correct way to say that yeah and um um and they ought to be able to do it so one of the things that I’ve always tried to do so I see a lot of players and that come to me um that have a lot of rotation with their arms in their hands at the beginning of their swing and as they get back here to the top of their back swing their left hands really CED and their Club face is open and the only way they can try to get it back to square is to to swing that way yep and so for years how I’ve approached that as an instructor is I would take them into a room with a big mirror and the mirror would be back here where the camera is and I would show them their Club faces like this and it needs to be like this on the way back and I would have them take back swings until they could see that position and it might take them several months of practicing for a few minutes a day before they could do it yes and it’s a very difficult position because you don’t have eyes in the back of your head so most of my players are just lost back there where in the world is the correct hand position at the top of the back swing well a lot of times you’ll if you’re trying to do that too you’ll feel like you’re in one position and then you look at it on video and you’re not at all you’re not that’s exactly right and so that you know for most of us old instructors like me I mean that’s an age-old thing thing trying to get people to learn this back swing position because it’s kind of counterintuitive on um on what ends up happening and so [Music] um we’ve what we found is we found this device called hack motion and um as an instructor I remember when Sony Super8 video came out that was a great Revelation for golf instruction and more recently the trackman and other launch monitors have been a a huge Improvement in the the information that we get and how to learn and um frankly in my opinion the next thing might be what Patrick’s got on his arm here it’s called hack motion and um whether you use it for full swings or chipping or putting I mean your hands and your forearms if they work properly and your wrist angles work properly that is how you control the club face and the club face has more to do with how good a player you’re going to become than the path it’s trackman has proven that club face is twice as important as path with the irons and it’s equally important with driver as the clubs get longer the path and the face kind of have the same effect you know good or bad but in irons the club face is twice as important as the path and what I see as an instructor when I have my players on track man especially good players 10 handicap or less I rarely see a big deviation in their club path okay what they might be if they’re right-handed they might be plus two or three on club path or they might be minus three or four on club path but they’re almost the same thing every time they’re actually really consistent with the path and everybody that comes to me if I ask them why they’re here when I meet him for the first time what do they say Patrick they want consistency they want consistency that’s right and that’s the number one thing I hear and uh I tell them they are consistent but what they’re doing wrong produces inconsistent results they’re doing the same thing wrong every time it’s just inconsistent with the results and you have to that’s just the facts and that you have to understand that as a player um and so but so what I find with those really good players is they’re pretty dog on consistent on the path even many high handicappers are they might be minus 12 on their club path as a right-hander but they’re minus 12 every time exactly they might be 13 or 10 you know but they’re pretty much the same path every time but the thing that’s changing is their angle of their face so but what I see so I see these good players say they’re zero with club path every time okay just just for instance a pretty common thing uh so they’re zero on club path but one swing they’re plus four or five with their face and the next swing they’re minus three with the face which means they’re going from here to to you know absolutely you know and um as we’ve talked about doing a video and talking about hack motion here I’ve watched a lot of videos other people reviewing this product and talking about it and you know um um Martin chuck had a really neat thing with you know one degree is one minute on the clock and if you’re just two or three degrees off it’s not very much but it’s enough to really the difference between being in the Fairway or deep in the rough ABS especially the faster you’re s or being a 15 handicap and a 10 or a 10 and a five I mean and so as a player you need to learn to control your Club face and and it’s your hands job and and your arms’s job to do that and the way they move um we can now collect data on we can compare you to a tour player at every point of the Swing Y and um you can tell exactly what you’re doing wrong or right would you agree absolutely well and I’m I’m obsessive with filming myself when I practice I’m out I literally have over a thousand videos on my phone of me sitting there with the tripod and what I’ve noticed every time is that we’ll work on something together maybe we’ll work on wrist angles or some sort of path thing or something and I I feel like I’m doing it and then I go look at the video in it I’m not I’m not I’m not I might be better than I thought I was but it’s I I’m never doing it exactly the way I think I am and it’s just amazing one of the things that’s cool about devices like this that give you that instantaneous feedback is well you can literally see as you’re doing it sometimes with audio cues or just looking at the screen how your arms and body are changing and that gives you just amazing feedback compared to filming it going back and watching it a minute later where the swing already happened right and that’s that is what I think is amazing of this their tour data and their comparisons are amazing um but you can set parameters on where you want to be for instance at the top top of your back swing and it will give you audio tones as you’re either rehearsing it back here if you’re too much this way or too much that way um or even while you’re hitting shots you’ll hear whether or not you’re within the parameter that’s acceptable Y and it’s immediate feedback you can learn to do it um it’s not for everybody you really have to be a practicer and you have to understand a little bit about some technology stuff to use the app and to get it set up so I know this isn’t for everybody um is it expensive yeah at the high end it’s $1,000 but if you think that’s expensive I mean it’s just a few lessons um from somebody and for especially if you’re a competitive player and trying to get better I I mean I don’t I don’t see how you you couldn’t have this even if you just used it for putting and chipping well that’s one thing we see especially at the tour level more and more players are even like Bryson’s using launch monitors out there on the practice screen where it’s putting and I think over time you start to see people want more data not just to know what to fix but sometimes to know when they’re playing well what like what’s their gold standard and so if you are hitting it really good it’s nice to be able to quantify that sometimes and this is you know another way to do that yes it is and then um you can go to that hack MO website um there’s they have great drills set up that you can practice with they have great videos on there that really help you show how to use it but also how to practice with it and improve depending on what your issues are yeah all right so I’m going to be controlling the app and Ed will be our guinea pig here we’re going to first uh get them all uh calibrated that’s the first step okay so we got to turn you on okay he’s powered up all right and then we’re going to compare you to let’s see how about we’ll we’ll do the the standard pattern which is the uh uh R Knuckles down which is the the kind of typical release you’ll see tiger or any any of the the classic it’s not the DJ Turn your whole body it’s more I’m not I am more standard I would say absolutely so okay we got Ed on here and then we’re going to do so you’re right-handed but we’re actually G to and we’re going to have this on your lead wrist you have an option of doing both which is pretty cool but I’ll show later with my my right hand so all right frally though your hands work together they do so if if I’m in this position with my left hand then my right hand’s going to really be cued and if I’m in this position my right hand you got to do something really funky with to not theming yeah you have to let go yeah um okay so now what we’re going to do is have you hold your wrist like this and that’s going to be your this is your most neutral position we’re going for y okay so we’re doing that and then now we’re going to tilt up about 30 to 45 degrees okay and then now we have a chance so you can actually look at it and see if this model seems about right so so just kind of move your hand around you can kind of get back to a neutral you can even move your wrist like this right there you go see so you can see so to me that looks pretty good so go back to about a neutral and we’re right about zero so that’s that looks pretty good good cool okay so now we’ll have you hit a couple shots okay so it shows you at address what that angle is with your hand yeah so so so set up at address now okay and I probably should be somewhere around 25 or 30 be my guess and everyone’s going to be a little bit different so for your um let’s see your uh extension versus basically you’re cupping B Boe to keep it simple you’re at about a plus 15 at at setup okay so that’s good to know that’s kind of what you know if your typical grip obviously if you’re stronger or weaker that’s going to change and then your owner deviation here so that’s how much your hands tilting this way or this way you’re at uh go back to setup you’re aboutus 48 so that’s that’s kind of your what would that be uh so that’s that’s even more so that’s minus 50 so then if you go this way you’re you’re only minus 20 or so like that so so that’s good just to have kind of your own Baseline and and you’ll see that in the data it it’ll you can track each of these different parameters including also the rotation um at each point so at the the beginning of the Swing the top of the swing and then as you’re actually hitting the ball at impact so you have kind of three it tracks it continuously but you have three kind of checkpoints that’ll you can kind of compare all these numbers and from my perspective this checkpoint at the top is probably the most important course impact we talk about this a lot is you what the the from the top to the balls S10 of a second yeah so you’re it’s very tough to consciously do a whole lot during that period so you better be pretty good up here or else it’s going to be hard to save it that’s right all right want me just hit some so hit a couple all right first swing of the day yeah no judging you can hear the ding that means it got it yep so it got a good one so this is I hit that one straight so little draw yeah so we can see on trackman nice little draw that’s probably typical shot shape for you right just a little bit of a draw it is and so we can see your um so this is we’re looking right now at your uh cup versus Boe motion here on your wrist so you’re you’re pretty similar to like the tour average you you maybe have a little bit more motion um on the back swing uh or sorry getting to the top but then as you get closer to the impact you’re you’re pretty close to to what the the model is so and this is something I notic with myself when I practice with it is I I have a lot more motion than the tour Pros do that’s one thing that I think leads to me their consistency right absolutely they’re just it’s amazing how little their wrist is doing in the motion U when they go throughout the whole swing so we can also look at your um ability here to for the flexing your owner up and down and so you’re again you’re following the same pattern but yours is doing more than them so and that’s something I’ve noticed with myself too is that my swing is it’s it’s doing more than the model U and then your rotation is pretty much perfect in terms of how you know which is very important because that’s how you know you’re squaring up the club right that’s good huh look at that I follow the line that’s pretty good yeah that was pretty good yeah do another one I hooked that one I think well so we’ll see on track no I didn’t I hit a dead straight pretty straight on track B and then if we look at uh so again you have I’d say a similar pattern here so you’re consistent that’s that’s good for that’s one thing to be paying attention to is if if your graph’s changing constantly from swing to swing well then that’s that’s telling you something already right um but it looks like you you’re you’re doing pretty good there so I think it’s pretty cool it gives you a lot of data on this and then what we’ve talked about before is if you’re working with a coach let’s say I’m using an Ed’s looking at my data and realizing okay well up here at the top you need to be at minus whatever you know pick the numbers but a window for what where you want to be in your own swing you can actually set the parameters here too so that you can kind of set those windows for where you want it to be and it gives you the feedback in tones does yeah yeah can you show them how to do that you let’s do that let’s do it in a practice session where where it where it gives gives those tones because I do think if if somebody were to get one of these that had big issues terms of the position of their Club face on their back swing I agree 100% this is really how you learn to do it okay so you got uh so let’s just double check our calibration that’s one thing that’s important with this is you want to keep calibrating over time because it’ll move around a little as you’re playing and so you know every you know I don’t know every time you switch to a different mode it’s worth rechecking because that that can mess you up so it looks like yours is still pretty good I don’t think yours has moved a whole lot but let’s just just for the sake of it let’s let’s do recalibration just to make sure that we’re we’re spot on so you’re so go go neutral here okay and then go up 30 degrees or so cool so now you’re at zero so that’s so that means you’re for for you you’re at wherever your neutral feels like okay all right so now what we’re going to do so hit one and it’ll uh get us started here you want me to hit it yep okay so now we’re in the coaching part of this which is kind of cool so yours um according to their model and again everyone’s a little different so this is where you can also dial this in yourself uh yours is plus4 to Extended so just a little bit too much just a little bit again plus four is that’s pretty good I I’ve been plus 20 you know way way out of there so and then plus one is your impact for so you’re just so I’m less yeah but again this is I mean this is like very very close to to Ideal and you can see the the bar graph here so me you’re you’re you’re very very good there um that’s better I’ve never had a swing that looks only plus plus four and plus one so to be clear that’s that’s great not coming um so the other thing we can do is we can there’s drills where you can see what it feels like to hold at different positions that’s what I want to so we yeah so we’ll go through some of that because I still think that’s the that’s the thing so yep okay so so now I got oh and it got a vibration mod too oh yeah so the new one felt the new one has vibration there’s there’s two things I think are really cool with the newer version if you have an old one number one is an now you can hear you hear the Hallelujah if you do it right it still does the audio but now it has a little vibration so you can feel it too right so see if I go like this it goes to red but if I go there I’m doing when I do the vibration right feel it right so that’s pretty cool um and then the other thing that is that the new one reads much more data something like eight times uh more frequency of how and that’s a big deal because when you’re I mean the golf swing so fast when you’re coming down here you want that Fidelity of data down at the bottom so I’m glad to see that they they’ve really improved the sensor read speed so if people can hear that so this is my correct position at the top of my back swing and so now go but if I get like this then I’m in the red so now so now for for so that would be closed so I would hook it from that position abely Y and then go the other way but then if I go this this is what I see with many high handicappers this position here on the way back and again that’s in the red I don’t feel the vibration yeah but there I am yep and so you can practice getting there [Music] that’s my impact right there yep and that looks pretty square right yeah pretty cool so and this is the bio feedback for the top so now I what I’ll do is I’m going to take you to the impact mode so now feel feel what it’s like down at like go to your impact position oh I’m in it right there so look you’re perfect now so now um but I can feel it vibrating and I can hear the Hallelujah so now set up a bad what would a bad impact look like there you go so now so now he’s off in either direction you can see that changing so there that’s that’s FP that’s that’s that’s my move there that’s too much forward Le that’s too much lean yeah which right A lot of people are chasing forward Le too much especially chipping and pitching yeah you’ll never get the ball in the air if you can manage to pull it off so that’s pretty cool so this is uh so I’m perfect just right here holding the club that that’s yeah again and you you look at that I mean that’s a a nice amount of shaft that just look like a Tor Pro so let’s so uh pretty awesome I think so too so hit so Hit a shot like that and we’ll uh see even over here so I’ve released it correctly still kept the club Square yeah that’ be open mhm an ideal swing I guess you’d have the audio the entire time yeah cool you can see if there’s a point in time where where you’re [Music] releasing I had a lot of o yeah you did so so that one so that that one saying at the top you were let’s see what the the ball so it did go a little to the right right so um oh but I’m red so I red too much this too much yeah yeah so let’s hit another one see if you can get if you can be a little bit uh more close at the top even even it’s still going I don’t have a club in my hand I’m just on the right angle so look at here I can you could sit there sit there in your office at work and just practice that feels like it it’s awesome and nobody’s shown that online before either that’s pretty [Music] cool it was kind of on and off yeah so again that so that one had that was a that was a little better but that one was and again we saw it go to the right and which in your your typical shot path is more of a a draw right so or I hit that one when I’m not playing good yeah sure absolutely well that’s and and you know why do you maybe hit that one get too much this one absolutely so that gives you that data so I think I think it’s really cool I do too Patrick it’s awesome yeah I’m going to hit one more and then we’re going to let him do it yeah see now so see see on this one if you can really I think we need to recalibrate because I do think I’ve moved okay let’s do that it’s nice you can it’s really easy to do it so okay there and then go up okay then see if that looks about right what’s cool too is you can see in the model if it looks like it’s reflecting what your hand’s doing so yeah that’s pretty cool okay so this one I want you to really really overdo like a draw like like see if you can do what you can to hook the ball a little bit [Music] okay that should have hooked a lot there a ton on that one so you told me to he did that’s good you did you did it so so now on impact look you’re minus nine on that one so that’s still it’s saying you know okay range which for you know there’s there’s more of matching up too right like we’ve talked about it your wrists are one part but also has to match up with your your body motion so um you know to to square that up you might need to get more rotation to to compensate for the hands so that’s kind of cool to see I think it’s pretty neat I love it cool the other thing that’s really neat about this is it shows at the end of your session like if you do at the driving range it will show you a summary of all your shots you hit and um it will tell you okay on average you’re two this way or two this way and it it will give you some drills to work on to you know potentially work on whatever error that you’re having yeah cool so you can see here it even it shows your your shot lists here and then it’ll show all of your summary of all the different points of data so I think that part’s really cool all right so let’s see so I’m going to do measure yeah we’ll do the measure one do a PGA we’ll do and I’ll do the same one that you were doing there okay see then I’ll do mine oops mine and then now I’m going to put mine this time on the trail rist so I’ve actually never do done on the trail I’ve always been on the lead wris guy but this is kind of newer so it’s kind of cool that they’re making this an option now all right I haven’t swung any either so don’t make fun of me yet I won’t get loose one of the things I’m really excited about with the new speed that the sensor is working at is that the new one’s supposed to be much better at detecting flipping which is my main thing I’m always trying to work on in my swing so it’d be kind of cool to see how how it reads that now you want to see it yeah I want to see so it’s a so okay so so my my uh Cup boat is is substantially more movement than the pros so and me and you but but even mine I mean just goes to show you’re much more accomplished swinger than I am and so it’s like your your movement on that was was much less this is a typical pattern that I see a lot so that’s that’s kind of cool to be able to quantify you know what you’re working on and so that means you’re right hand is too much this way at the yeah so it’s too much no no sorry yeah um is it this one yes no this this it’s saying I’m too for at the okay at the at the top I’m too much this way but then as I come through I flip too much so it’s depend bottom is there mhm so ideal my so basically what mine’s doing is going here and then here and and said it needs to be more neutral here and then stay more neutral so okay yeah I agree million dollar question of course is getting yourself to actually do that but it’s nice to have the data same thing same thing so did to me that felt a little bit less but it looks about the same this goes to show our point it’s like sometimes it’s amazing you think you did something and then you go look at you you can see it on video and that it’ll tell you something but when you can actually see that the raw data there that’s even more telling that you didn’t really change the thing you thought you were changing so this will be interesting I’m going to what I’m going to try on this swing is what we’ve been working on which is really trying to get my my hand to turn over earlier in the swing just see if if we can see a difference in the data at all that felt like that was going left yep but pretty much still the same it is I think but that’s better maybe a little bit better yeah no I think it’s a little better yeah now put it on the practice mode mhm okay okay so now we’re we’re measuring the where I’m supposed to be an impact so let’s see if I can what does my impact feel like so ideally I want to be like here yes sure now getting here is something I’ve had trouble trouble doing but I can at least kind of feel like what it’s supposed to feel like to get to get back [Music] there so do you think it’s worth a doing a drill like that where you kind of start here and then just take a small absolutely yeah to me that seems like that would be a pretty good way to practice with this is absolutely get to the point where you’re here so let me see if I can get the which way am I okay so so I really I need to be more this well that’s pretty cool you can really tell a difference like I this is my more common you can I agree so how does that one look oh here so let’s turn this off okay so impact on plus 10 too extended there so I’m a little too extended still but I think that’s better I do too so let’s do this so you put me where you you think I where you think perfect impact should be there okay so now look at my numbers okay so where am I for the um the the orange one extension yeah plus plus four there okay and then minus 42 yeah okay so remember this so minus let’s say minus four minus or plus4 minus 40 yeah so so then what we can do is in our benchmarking we can do custom so we can then say when we’re at impact um we’re custom range we’re going to say from let’s see what do you think like 0 to four plus four I would say one to five one okay one to five MH okay okay and then and that’s for this one and then we’ll do we can also do the ner one so that was – 42 I think so so plus 35 to yeah 50 yep a minus I think right minus 35 to 50 okay okay that then we got minus 50 there okay cool so now I’m set up and we can even do the same thing for the address and for the the top but just for the sake of impact so so now does this um see go back to the practice okay so and then let’s do the bio feedback too so we want immediate okay so impact if I was to recreate more owner I need more this more Flex more more this way or less this way more does it which one do I need more of uh the flex still not theer I need more like this uhhuh okay too much I think I had too yeah I was so right around here and this window might be a little too tight that’s it right there it might be but that’s so but that’s good so so you like this this position right here for I for and again I’d be more turn so don’t worry about [Music] that okay so let’s see if I can hit one around starting starting make a swing though but start normal so that’s kind of where I’m I’m trying to get to to that feel that’s a good I think that’s a good way to practice what a good impact would feel like you just I think is valuable to work with a coach still who can help you get calibrated correctly so that it’s right for you so I want to get to here yeah so see even even for me I think that’s valuable being able to just feel what my body feels like when I get to that so how do we compare okay so my my owner was was good but I’m I’m plus four so I need to be minus four no no that’s that’s right I was so I was actually not too far off on that one I guess for I agree the impact yeah was one of my better swings so so my uh it didn’t trackman didn’t get our other stuff but the face angle was almost neutral there right minus 7 so like that’s as close to zero as I you know I’ve been on any of these swings I agree I think that’s pretty good practice I I just get to feel what that’s supposed to feel like and then get back there [Music] again owner you were perfect was it and that one so now that that one I could feel it my Club the face angle was off and it trackman has it a 10 so you hit that one on the H did is was that what is okay that makes more sense it felt like a little bit of a shank it was I could hear it you could hear it yeah I think I was a little too close on that one minus 10 club path I’m okay so AC cross today okay so my impact there is a plus 10 mhm so it’s a little bit more cued that’s kind of cool yeah it is cool put plus nine you were that time plus nine okay what did we set our parameters at one to four one to five one to five yeah so I need to be a little bit more a little bit more your owner is still great yeah that one seems like it’s doing pretty good plus eight that time eight okay that’s still not bad that’s not bad these are all playable shots like that’s your those are some of your best attack angles ever yeah these are I’m definitely hitting down more so plus 12 on that okay that’s still good though yeah I like it that’s cool yeah it really is cool I think the more you mess around with it and the more you experiment with it and understand exactly what’s going on I do too well it gives you great feedback I think you just have to make sure you’re recalibrate off and that’s I think the big key with it is the terrible thing would be to not yeah and then get bad information absolutely anytime in doubt probably recalibrate I also think it’s good to work with someone like you know you’re giving me my exact position so that you’re you’re not you know because the app’s awesome but it can reinforce bad stuff if you’re not careful with how you’re doing it so cool but in a nutshell I think they’re really on to something I do too um and the the feedback that you get from it is amazing it is yeah and um there’s a lot of people it’ll help a lot yeah yeah cool so they do a pretty good job in my opinion of customer support and all that stuff too um the basic model there they you know they have two or three different pricing Point things and their very basic one doesn’t include the putting thing and so in my opinion unless you’re one of the greatest Putters on the planet I’d at least get the option two or three that includes the putting plat the putting is pretty is pretty cool the putting is really pretty cool we used it in a video recently where we had you um show your your and you’re a good a good putter so you bad with you you were right on but then we did an example too where you kind of emulated a more wristy putt like you might see from people who are newer and it’s amazing how it just shows you how the difference in the data looks when you’re hitting it you know with a good putting Stroke versus one that might be more common for people who are watching right and I know based on some of the comments we get and some of the emails that I get that aren’t on our on our Channel comments but I know there’s a lot of golf instructors around the country that watch our Channel and I get great feedback from them and uh honestly if you’re a a teaching professional and you don’t have one of these uh you’re missing the boat just like if you don’t have a track man or uh or a really Topline launch monitor as well you’re missing the boat or you don’t have a video camera yeah so I’m pretty sure this technology is is going to be the next revolution of golf and construction and uh that’s what I would call it so well we’re seeing with you know track men now they’re they’re starting to U do more of the analysis of the body motion and that’s one thing I these launch moners for years are great about measuring what the balls doing and so some level what the clubs doing but it doesn’t necessarily show what the body is doing to create some of that so it’s it’s just nice to have more data on well it is and um but yes I I couldn’t agree more you know my track man now does the hand path there’s other there’s other options out there too that that give you bio mechanics uh in real time yeah and so um it it’s pretty fascinating how what what’s going on uh the simpler you keep this game the better though and it’s feedback is what we’re looking for and what I really like about hack motion is the instant feedback and and you can look at the Monitor and it’ll show you every movement that you’re making and when you learn where you want to be whether it’s here there or there or where you want to be at impact I mean you can rehearse it in slow motion yeah you can set your parameters you can hit shots and you can look at your graph compared to the tour players and find out what you’re doing differently than them and I it’s amazing if it is it’s really cool and so um um I recommend that you investigate it and check out their website he’ll give you a link I’m sure we’ll have a link in the description if you want to try it out or you see what see what they have to say about it yeah and I’m going to mess around with it quite a bit here especially as as I get through this next month or so of my busy time and it starts slowing down when the kids go back to school and stuff like that I’m I’m anxious to really work on it I mean we did a video last week that we showed a basic little chipping method and all you’re trying to do is maintain the angle with your with your bottom hand your Trail hand through impact and gosh you can put this thing on either wrist it’ll show you where that angle is and it it’ll show you whether or not you’re keeping it you may think you’re keeping it but most people aren’t Y and uh it it doesn’t lie that’s what I tell people about trag man doesn’t lie you only hit it 130 yards not 150 y and is that right right and uh so that’s what I like about this too it gives you real data that you can see and then you can learn to do it the right way yeah and if you can learn to use your hands correctly um you’ll be a better player