John Talty 247 Sports joins 365 Sports to discuss his thoughts on his story about the money range for various positions in the transfer portal, his thoughts on the Jaden Rashada news coming out yesterday, his thoughts on on the JIm Harbaugh era at Michigan, his thoughts on House v NCAA, and more.
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have our next guest John taly 247 Sports CBS and also an author a published author uh as well we’ll talk to him about his upcoming book uh in the segment but uh John you you cover everything College uh Sports and this is a tumultuous time in a lot of things in the last couple days alone you’ve got the Jaden Rashad lawsuit house versus NCA getting um you know ratified by by conferences uh and and now you know Drew Weatherford and private Equity trying to find its way in how um how do you as a reporter look at like kind of shuffling the deck and and pointing your focus in the direction it needs to be in in any given day so that you can kind of wrap your arms around it it’s hard man it really is uh it’s there’s just so much going on uh at this point that you know I think you have to kind of pick your lane a little bit um so I’m fortunate that you know in our team we’ve got great people that taking on some of those stories that allow me to focus on other stories but you know one of my closest friends in the business is is Ross Dinger and he’s just a monster and I’m always amazed at how he’s able to keep up with all this stuff uh because there’s just so much going on I mean like you said we’re we’re only on Wednesday and uh I feel some of the in some ways we might look back at some of these things we’ve experienced already as maybe the most impactful things that I’ve impacted College forth in a while um so uh excited to see where the rest of the week goes but Yeah it’s you’re just constantly just feel like you’re just kind of drinking out of a fire hose and just trying to keep up no doubt about it and and yeah Ross is uh Ross has been a maniac pumping out the stories from from all over the the place all these various meetings and various topics uh it’s been it’s been fun to see that um you did a story that was very interesting a breakdown on uh the money range for various positions uh in the transfer portal which I think a lot of people found fascinating you you talked to a lot of the people involved from the the coaches to the agents and I want to talk about that but first ask you uh in knowing all that you knew from you know looking at and and writing that story when you saw the Jaden rashada news pop did that come as as any uh surprise to you some of the the the figures that were being thrown out some of the arrangements that apparently were behind the scenes just kind of what was your first reaction when you saw that sort of getting fleshed out yesterday no and so I’ll give you guys a little bit of uh you know kind of from the behind the scenes backstory so um and you mentioned it kind I think at the top so I’ve got a book coming out in August called the price that I did with h you know longtime best-selling author former 60 Minutes correspondent Arman K and and you in the book we decided to you know Focus uh on you know big big issues coaches schools you know we’ve got Sav stuff harb off stuff etc etc so one of the people more than a year ago that I decided to you know try to kind of follow around for a year is the agent involved in the Jane rashada thing so I’ve been kind of behind the scenes involved in it for a while um you know I’ve been kind of waiting for this lawsuit to drop for a bit so I might have been a little bit more informed than the average person but you know there was a time where I wondered whether a lawsuit would actually happen uh there times where you know kind of went up and down but this is a moment that I know that they’ve been kind of looking forward to for a while they felt like that you know the initial stories around jayen were kind of driven more they felt by like the Florida side of things and they’ve kind of just you know sat in the background and waited for their chance uh knowing that they were probably going to do a lawsuit at some point and you know yesterday for that to come out you know was kind of their chance to start to kind of tell a little bit more of their side of the story and certainly uh got a lot of attention yesterday so John I me I don’t know how many of these you know um athletes are out there like Jaden Rashad and I’m sure there’s plenty that were promised something and haven’t been delivered on Jaden Rashad is as interesting is that it was all in writing uh and he had a signed contract so it appears that it’ll probably work out better for him than it will for the people he’s suing because they clearly were in breach of a contract and not able to pay him money that he was promised um how do you think it will eventually play out will it get to court or this be settled yeah that’s a great question you know I assume that you know Billy Napier and his lawyers and the lawyers of the other people mentioned you’re probably your initial move that you tried to dismiss it right um to try to not have to go through the hassle U you know again I’m not a lawyer I don’t I can’t really give legal advice but I’ve tried to talk to some lawyers um in the leadup and then in the aftermath and you know it feels like there’s enough in the complaint for it not to get dismissed again we’ll see that’s not uh you know fullon expert legal opinion but that’s what I’ve been told so I think from there you start having questions of yeah is it something that we need to settle is there a number that makes sense for both parties to not go forward How likely are you to win I mean there’s just a lot of different things I think that start to come into a play at that point you know I talked to a couple people that felt like you know if you’re Billy Napier and some of the other people involved you really don’t want to have to go through Discovery H you don’t really want you know all of your maybe text messages and things that uh you’ve been sending to you know be looked through and pulled from that’s not generally fun for anybody involved so is there a number that makes sense for you to pay to not go through that and also that you know makes Jaden and his team feel full um you know I’ve heard some numbers I’m not really at Liberty to say what that number might be but that I think will be a very interesting part of this moving forward you can go ahead and tell us John nobody’s listening it’s fun just between between friends here no and and more on just Jaden rashada as you mentioned you talked to people in the in the past few months and the lead up to all this you kind of saw this coming so more on that in the book correct I mean the many things that you talk about there’s there’s plenty about Jaden Rashad in there is that correct yeah so a whole chapter is basically dedicated to this and uh you know it’s not just about Jaden it’s about you know the agent as well and so just to give you a little backstory you know he’s currently a student at SMU so I was just kind of fascinated in general where it’s like not only is this guy involved in this you know huge case but also like he’s still a college student I thought that was kind of wild and you kind of go in with some of your preconceived notions and to be perfectly that was blown away by him I mean he’s like far beyond his years really sharp and just happen to get kind of pulled into what’s a pretty wild situation but yeah there’s so I’ll just give you a little tease like you know there’s some obviously there’s some some uh information in that lawsuit that has caught people’s attention uh I can just say there is a lot more in our book that has not been reported yet that I think will make people feel a certain kind of way uh even more than maybe how they feel right now but there’s there’s a lot of information about this case that is not yet out there that I feel pretty confident that will maybe never be out there but uh that we’ve got stuff in our book that is going to I could kind of blow people away one of the interesting parts of your book is that you you’ve got some insight into did Jim Harbaugh’s last days at Michigan uh and kind of how that went down and it does like when it comes to winning at the levels or to competing and having alignment president ad head coach um I I don’t think I was surprised because I kind of read it between the lines over the years between Ward Manuel and Jim Harbaugh that they always said the things that Michigan fans needed to hear but it always felt uncomfortable what can you kind of tell us about how at least Jim Harbaugh felt about that relationship yeah not not uh not a huge fan of it um to put it mildly and we’ve got uh you know we’ve got it’s just and that was just a small little you know just a small little piece but we’ve got I think it’s three chapters in the book are dedicated to Jim Harbaugh Michigan um and what interesting is we made that decision you know more than a year ago long before we knew they were gonna win a National Championship and he was gonna get caught in a science stealing investigation so we didn’t know what we had when we first got it we just thought it was interesting and they should you know have a a fairly good year so got a lot of different stuff in there but yeah I mean it’s something that people have kind of known uh now you know Ward especially has always tried to downplay that uh we talked to him he tried to downplay it to us that they had a better working relationship than people believed but you know Harbaugh definitely used to complain a pretty good bit to his kind of close confidence about Ward and I think you know one of the interesting things about Jim is that he’s just a guy who how to put this like wants to feel wanted maybe is the best way of putting it and I think he felt very wanted by the Chargers and I don’t think he ever felt like he was fully wanted by Ward Manuel you know he kind of felt like he that Ward never really fully had his back didn’t think that you know he despite all the winning and the fact that Ward you know had to want to keep him never really felt like Ward like loved him and I think that’s something that you know sometimes you get in your own head about it whatever it might be but I think that was part of the issue um and then of course there’s just you know multiple NCA investigations that came up and and I think Jim felt like you know he just didn’t have this support that he expected from the University and uh you know that’s kind of what helped drive him now could he have gone to NFL regardless definitely possible but I think that that was a huge driving force and him deciding you know I don’t need this anymore I have an opportunity to go this place where they they badly want me I think it’s now it’s my time to go 2024 Michigan I mean there’s so many layers there of of good bad ugly what have you uh were you just kind of pining pinching yourself at the timing of some of these things I mean like you said you didn’t set out like the Connor stallions news dropped or and you’re like hey let’s go cover Michigan so were you just kind of like he like kid at a candy store in some ways with with all that was swirling around Michigan uh during that time yeah sometimes you have to get lucky right I think you know we I think we made some smart decisions but so again I’ll give you just a little a little context here so three of the things that we pick were and I’m Bas in Alabama so one of these was easy but we picked Nick Sabin you know didn’t know he was going to retire but probably one of the most interesting years he’s ever had we picked Jim Harbaugh Michigan then the other one which at the time when we picked I was like I don’t necessarily know how I feel about this we’ll see how it plays out we picked Arizona and the time they weren’t great but then they become a key piece in the Pack 12 and floating and then Jed fish has one of the most impressive coaching years that I’ve seen in a long time people love him and then he leaves and they hate him and so again you just have to try to make the right decisions you never really know how it plays out and you know there are not I’m going to go into too many details but there are other ones that we had started the process with and you know as time played out kind of faded in terms of how much we wrote about them and whether they were going to be a chapter so you there were some that we decided all right we’re just not going to go down that path anymore but you know between Harbaugh Sabin we’ve got a couple chapters on Jimbo Fisher which that one again turned out pretty interesting so uh we felt we felt pretty good but then you know the kind of the like a a first world problem that like you didn’t feel the pressure like all right I have to right to a level that can meet the material that we had and so that was you know one of the challenges um but you feel really good about how things wrapped up and we’re excited uh for it to come out here in a couple months has Armen taught you the uh way to lean back in your chair in a powerful 60 Minutes interview that he’s so good at when somebody says something that he’s he’s curious about he he is great at that and I do feel like he’s good at like I feel like I need the glasses too I don’t wear glasses currently but I feel like you lean back you kind of pull your glasses down a little bit I think that that’s I need to add that to my uh my tool tool box I don’t don’t have those moves yet but yeah he is the master of that and it has been cool just that you know some of the stuff we did separately but some of it we got to do together it was fun to just kind of see him do his thing and just kind of how he goes about things and he’s he’s a great interviewer you know I can remember watching his Nick Savin profile he did you know probably a decade or so ago for 60 minutes um and I I thought it was great at the time so it’s been fun to do this with him oh yeah he’s he’s got all the moves down you know the you know he’ll like the lean up and get familiar and then lean back it’s oh i i as soon as I saw that like you and he wrote the book together I did have questions about him just as a you know a person in the media who interviews people like I’ve always watched him but man he’s so good at it it’s ridiculous he he and Tom raldi live in like kind of a different world than the rest of us you know when it comes to that they’re just so dang good at that part of it what um what are your thoughts on house versus NCAA and how that’s that’s shaking out and how um this will be received down the line and anything that may come out of it that that maybe is unexpected for the NCAA and the P4 yeah I mean I think what’s I think there are a couple interesting things I think one and and again I mentioned earlier I think BR just done a good job of of documenting a lot of this like clearly the the smaller conferences have tried to Rebel a little bit and and they lost it didn’t didn’t do anything but you can tell they’re not real thrilled about you know how much their taking on of you know the house related payments so that’s you know something that’s interesting I think at further shows just how much this world has run um by a few of the conferences in particular the SEC in Big 10 um so that’s part of it I think this answers some questions that we have I think it answers past questions right so you’re paying people in in the past that makes sense to me but I I’ve talked to multiple people even today and there are just still so many questions about what this means moving forward you know whether that’s I think we all expect now a revenue share type model but what that actually looks like what does that entail very much up in the air what place do collectives have in this world very much up in the air so there’s just still a lot of things that I think a lot of very smart people just still don’t fully have the answers on and hopefully we’ll get those over the next you know few months or so as we get you know more and more information about what this looks like but it seems like we’re kind of answering one question and it’s a huge deal I mean this the numbers involved $2.7 billion do that’s wild but I’m most curious about what this has to then entail moving forward no doubt yeah it seems like solve one problem there’s there’s five more that spread out from that somehow or another but uh yeah that’s it’s going to be fast I’m sure Ross will have more on that very soon we’ll all be we’ll all be reading but John you you you have the book and and very much looking forward to to uh reading that when the time comes but I also mentioned at the start the uh the article that you had over on on CBS Sports uh about the nil market and how much players are getting paid at each position and uh you talked to some folks around uh the the sport to to try and kind of get I guess a you know a good idea because so often we just see things thrown around on X or uh various other social media platforms or I know like on three does their valuations and I don’t know exactly how all that works so uh was there anything surprising fascinating uh what of Interest I mean maybe caught you in and looking into what actual money is is being thrown around here in college football when it comes to various position groups yeah I mean it just I mean to start and this is not to like you know to brag because I we I guess we’ll determine how good I was at doing it but it which is very hard to do to be perfectly honest because there’s a lot of mystery there’s no real centralized data for it and people are skittish about giving real numbers I think that there are certain people that are more willing to talk and try to inflate how much their guys are making but you know it was hard to try to you know really pin people down on some of these numbers and you know part of it too is that they’re just you know we could probably and maybe this is a story we’ll do down the line there are different ranges even within conferences right so we looked at it from a power for standpoint but you know there are numbers that are sec are probably be in the higher end than the Big 12 for instance particularly So you you’re trying to blend those different data sets to try to get a general range um but you know I think some of the things that stuck out to me uh you know and we mentioned in the story that they’re obviously outliers and there were a couple this past year but I think those QB numbers while really strong might be a little lower than some people thought um you know to get a really good QB for $500,000 I know that’s still an insane amount of money but you know you it feels like sometimes especially if the Rada stuff some people might think everybody’s 2 million plus it’s not even close to that so that was interesting and I felt like you could get really good value at a wide receiver and defensive back positions now I think again the elite guys at those spots can make more than those ranges I know of a few that are above that kind of General range but maybe in part just because you need multiple of them maybe in part because they’re easier to find uh maybe because you know there’s some of those guys that’re they’re not going to be necessarily great down the line whatever it might be uh those numbers were a little lower than I thought they could be especially on the lower end of the range but yeah it was it was it was a fun challenge to try to you know again get what I believe to be as accurate as information as I could possibly get from talking to as many people from all kind of different kind of corners of this world to try to put together that those kind of number ranges John the book comes out in August right that’s right yep the book is called the price uh and it’s by Arma and John talty who joins us here John thank you so much for helping on the show and let’s get you on uh again when the before the book comes out to make kind of a final push yeah would absolutely love that great talking to you guys and we’ll talk again soon John talty 247 CBS Sports and uh got a book coming out with Arman Kanan who’s like I said you can see how much of a fan I am of him I just admire I did I did I love Arman Katan realop star or something like that real Sports 60 minutes like that’s that’s how you interview people man yeah no uh he yeah he definitely knows what he’s doing and I can see where where you would be a fan of of um his work uh but yeah really appreciate John and uh college football fans got like a reading list this summer like there’s some good stuff coming out and like I mean you talk about Johnny’s I almost said this but he needs to go buy a lottery ticket with the pre what’s the right word the pressence is that a word uh that you have to basically blindly tab every major college football story in 2020 23 for the book that was coming out I mean the Michigan Nick Sabin what was the other Jimbo Jimbo like I mean I know you were just you had some guidance in in trying to figure out what would be the most interesting stories and as he said there were some others that you know kind of just you know petered out maybe on their own but I think you hit all the big ones basically with uh with those topics so yeah well done and uh that should make for a very interesting book uh getting into the the the you know the details of of so many of these stories that that garnered so much interest but I also found the just the article on CBS about the portal and the price tags very interesting um because there is so much misinformation um and I’m sure at times accurate information but it’s hard to know which is which and you see these valuations and it’s hard to know I know there’s a formula behind them but like I’m not a math major so is that formula really accurate it’s hard to tell because there’s some guys you’re like he’s worth what now but for uh reference just I mean do we have time here to yeah yeah yeah you know we’re we’re we’re all right so here’s the tabulations he put on the the markets for these various positions and I guess just y’all tell me if y’all think it’s uh you know crazy or if it’s about what you expected but like he said also some people not willing to really divulge every detail which that’s always been my problem with the nil is um man I just I’m 75 years old calling it The nil the nil uh but no I know uh but that that’s my problem is that there’s still so much shrouded in secrecy and I get it because you don’t want to say we’re paying $500,000 and now your your rival knows what you’re paying and and so on and so forth but for uh the quarterback Market a qb1 a power for operator uh said you know most important playmaker in your team most valuable uh four or excuse me 500,000 to $800,000 for a I guess a solid quarterback let’s say and I think you could go to like a million and he mentions Hugh freze you know said oh I can’t go to a million when talking about going and picking up a quarterback um because they had Payton Thorne especially so like everybody W Auburn to go get like a big splash like they weren’t going to do that when they’ve already invested in Thorn and he didn’t want to pay a million now I’m sure if the right guy came along and your depth chart looked different you’d pay a million dollars um but I think that’s probably like his Liberty quarterback yeah EXA he had actually been out there yeah yeah exactly so 500 to8 $100,000 we um that that seems about right I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was like the the average $500 800,000 yeah um let’s see here running back Market 200 to 300,000 uh which you know I guess a quinan Judkins Damen Martinez or a couple of the names mentioned um Damen Martinez was set to make $400,000 with Oregon State and then he left for Miami so I would think that he’s making more than $400,000 uh by by going to Miami so he’s a little bit on the higher range as a Quin Shaw jins obviously was as well when he made the move wide receiver Market 75,000 on the low end to $300,000 uh o line 350 to $500,000 I can see where like taden Proctor is making more than $500,000 but I mean for your typical arrangement of an line to rip him away from his home oh yeah like they did yes he planted those routes so deep um o line Market 355 dline Market 250,000 to 600,000 Walter Nolan got more than 600 oh for sure I think a lot of the guys in this cycle uh he mentions too like it’s it’s great that he mentions a lot of like Dominic Williams uh the big Todo that that was there like yeah he probably is making way more than that um so again it fluctuates and but this is kind of the average not confirmed amount wise like we didn’t get that but Sunny Dykes on the show just last week oh yeah was like look I mean he had a f like he confirmed this is a financial opportunity for him and you know we we can’t stand in the way of that yeah I mean it is what it is let’s be honest about it it’s not you know if it’s it’s all on the up and up then what’s there to be worried about linebacker Market 100,000 to 300,000 so that’s kind of one of the lower ends but uh well there’s less of them now yeah yeah yeah it’s not as big of a deal as it used to be right exactly um but like a Will Anderson is who he points out here that was you know probably making way more than that highend though 600,000 uh for probably a guy like a Will Anderson DB Market 120 to 225,000 although a top end Corner Elite starters are more like 250 to $400,000 range uh and it says that safety is not quite as in demand as top corners unless you are Caleb downs and then Ohio State’s probably handing you pretty close to seven figures I would imagine but yeah those are just the the ranges and they’re all kind of you know it all kind of runs together really when you’re talking about hundreds of thousands versus hundreds of thousands but I think that’s probably about where people would would see those positions and still I mean you’re eating well if you’re even a lower end guy who’s got some teams after you you’re still hitting six figures bare minimum they would appear at least and so uh we’ll never know for sure unless they just all make this open and and we get into the straight contractual modes and then that thing you know will will become an industry unto itself probably reporting on contracts and things like that but yeah that’s that was just an interesting look uh uh another piece of his work to coincide with the book as well that I enjoyed uh checking out this week so yeah enjoyed talking to
