Johnny Manziel Reveals WILD Untold Vegas Stories & He ALMOST Had Patrick Mahomes Job | Ep 4

Johnny Manziel joins The Rush! On today’s episode, Johnny reveals some INSANE never-heard-before Vegas party stories to Maxx & how he ALMOST had Patrick Mahomes job…

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Johnny Manziel YouTube Chapters
Intro 0:00 – 1:38
Johnny’s Time in the CFL 1:38 – 2:31
Relationship with Drake 2:31 – 4:25
Different Lifestyle 4:25 – 6:00
Motivation 6:00 – 7:06
Johnny’s Confidence 7:06 – 10:42
What Happened In Cleveland 10:42 – 11:56
Johnny Over Patrick Mahomes 11:56 – 13:12
Johnny’s Las Vegas Story 13:12 – 16:08
Relationship with Veterans 16:08 – 18:55
Struggles with Alcohol 18:55 – 25:32
Nobody Prepares You For Reality 25:32 – 27:41
Sobriety 27:41 – 32:26
Where Johnny Found Peace 32:26 – 35:32
Future Goals 35:32 – 37:20
Creating Boundaries 37:20 – 43:14
Johnny’s Relationship with Football 43:14 – 45:55
Netflix Documentary 45:55 – 48:34
Johnny’s Favorite College Game 48:34 – 56:24
NIL Money 56:24 – 59:23
The Heisman Trophy 59:23 – 1:05:37
Mike Evans 1:05:37 – 1:08:57
Who Reminds Johnny of His Game 1:08:57 – 1:11:15
Rodgers or Farve 1:11:15 – 1:13:48
Keeping It Creel 1:13:48 – 1:18:55
Blackjack Story 1:18:55 – 1:23:47
Outro 1:23:47 – 1:25:00

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botle of H fattest blunt you could think of the harder I parted the better I played run a motherucker over I’m laying it on his I literally die for this got a IV and started going H those Oklahoma fans weren’t saying then almost got in a full team brawl over like $40 bottle Hennessee I thought I was going to sign in Kansas City the same year that my homes got drafted yeah yeah I’m really talking my like [Music] he’s like yeah you’re going to Montreal like it was like the worst team in the league worst run team in the league and [ __ ] me off dipped I was out and then I got to Montreal and I saw like the really bad side of the Canadian Football League which was like I had a my pay per week was maybe like 20 grand or like 30 grand a week and it was dependent on like snaps so they would like average out how many snaps they would normally have having a game if it was like 60 they play me for like 28 snaps and then take me out of the game and put somebody else in so they’d only have to pay me like $155,000 less so they’re literally like penny pinching throughout the entire league so like I had no idea what was going on at first when I was there and I was like competitive wanted to play and like trying to figure this out and yeah just trying to play man I needed reps two three two years out of the league living in La running around the Hollywood Hills especially at quarterback bro I needed reps and like I wasn’t getting them in Hamilton really cuz we had Jeremiah moli who was bad he was cold C cold he was at Oregon and he was nice yeah so I saw that like dirty side of U of the CFL and then they have your rights so when you sign in Canada they own you for two years so then the AFL was coming and the XFL was coming and all these other leagues were coming back in the state so I was like I got to get the out of here keep the dollar to the dollar because you lose half that when you come over from Canada right I’m losing I’m getting tax 50% and then losing 27% on the exchange rate so when I got back to LA I didn’t I didn’t make a dollar plan yeah I spent it all at shaper at the strip club and [ __ ] who’s the lucky girl a real dude they don’t have dollar bills there so they have loonies and tunies so they’re coins just be I don’t remember how it really worked I guess I just threw fives bruised just getting cracked that’s wild crack bro that’s insane by Toronto though so I immediately go to Drake cuz I love Drake biggest Drake fan on them he’s a goat bro and uh but draft day came out draft day 2014 for you what was that moment like did you know did he already toss you at ahead of time like I’m going to have you on the track the 2012 like 13 14 years for me and Drake were like different because when I first met him I fly up to Toronto hang for the whole weekend I thought this was like the Pinnacle the highlight of it like what it was really that’s all it was amazing I get to meet this dude and when I went back to& M I would we would talk he would just FaceTime me we talk throughout the week throughout practice throughout the season so I like started develop you know he really treated me like a little brother and kind of like took me under his wing and was like trying to help me you know every time and I didn’t expect that for what it you know what originally was set out to be so you know as the years went on and you get to 2014 I remember being with my old chick at the time it’s like 4 in the morning and my phone’s just blowing up and of course I’m scared as what I’m like [ __ ] throwing I’m the phone’s buzzing I’m pressing the side of it and throwing it off into the corner and then finally I’m like after like eight facetimes in a row I’m like all right I got to pick this up and then him and Obie’s boy are in the studio and I remember them playing it for the first time and I’m like half asleep still scared my girl sitting there looking at me like on the edge of the bed answer it right now who is it I’m like I walk in the other room I mean 100% she didn’t let me slide for nothing hell no and uh I just remember hearing the beat for the first time and then obviously a Andrew Wiggins was in it too as well so like yeah you know as cool as it gets man I got to walk out of Radio City Music Hall to my own song playing from Drake it’s not like it’s great it’s just like what the are we even talking about simulation is this broing it all week is not even real I mean it’s when you get to a point where you do some things like you know you get to see a lot of stuff you’ve seen a lot of stuff you play for the Raiders I mean there’s a different life out there and for me being from a small town in Texas it doesn’t feel like real life and that’s why I am so appreciative of the life that I live and where I’m at because you know for a long time I looked at it in a negative mindset and a negative Viewpoint because I didn’t turn out to be a Hall of Famer in the NFL yeah which at the end of the day you know I think I got to accomplish almost every dream and a football aspect that I ever had for myself in life so you know to the majority of people and the majority of the world it looks like failure but you know as a person that’s hard on themselves you know when your mindset shifts and you look at it a different way from a different perspective it’s not failure you know it’s it’s a great sense of accomplishment and a great sense of living a dream that just wasn’t meant to be and you know we were speaking about this off camera but like you know the NFL is a different business and it is a Cutthroat you know not for long type of type of thing and I’m not the first and won’t be the last Heisman Trophy winner to go and have their struggles in the NFL and like if you don’t attack it day after day and really grind which is what we what I feel like I see in you you know I see that on the field on Sunday or Monday like or Thursday you know like I see it and you know the guys that you see around the league that are doing that it’s noticeable and then the guys that aren’t doing that is also very noticeable in a different right yeah no that’s really I feel like people don’t understand you know from outside perspective not only the work ethic and that comes with it you were obviously with Joe Thomas some of the best players in the league obviously you all had your struggles but you had some great players over there like the require what it really takes to do it every single year and keep climbing and you know it’s funny cuz when I was in college you know me and him like all of us like we were you know locked in on college football and you know I watch guys like Randy Gregory in Nebraska and like like I want to be like that you know what I mean like dudes like that those are the guys I looked up to and I know him being a quarterback you look up to the Johnny Manzel The Bakers guys like that so like you know it’s funny just kind of pivot a little bit you know your confidence like on the field you know is everybody got to see it you know you you were 100% yourself out there and I talk about all the time like it’s the most free feeling when you’re at the top of your game and you just go out there and you’re balling like there’s no other feeling can’t chase that in any other way of life like where did you get that confidence from and what like where do you think that like that switch flip for you when you were in college you know I I was lucky we were talking about this a minute ago but Cliff Kingsbury was a guy who like rode for me so hard even before the Heisman season like yeah that spring I was last on the depth chart I had no confidence I didn’t have confidence in the ability to like throw the football the way I needed to and like in practice for me what the best part of my game was was being Elusive and making people miss and running like you can’t do that in practice like you as a DN you crybaby defensive players like fuing wild that’s [ __ ] wild I’ll let it go you know what I’m talking about done we’ll let it go know you got that you’re coming around the edge and of course you need the tackle and you’re like oh yeah you’re sitting there like this in practice like hell yeah so whenever we got into a game like you know it was it was a different story and like you know kingsberry was a guy who even going through the lowest points even struggling like he saw something in me that was like he had more confidence in me than I had in me yeah and that’s any coach or any like you know person in your life that believes in your vision and what you’re doing and what you can be you need to have by your side and it’s like really true fact it’s such a fact to the point of like I didn’t believe in myself but he did and he kept going back and making sure that I was going to get an opport Unity to to shine and then as our relationship developed throughout That season it was just like a a perfect mesh yeah I mean I I see you guys right now with like the coach the coach you guys have here on the Raiders like y stood on the table and we like listen some things are going to get really out of hand if he’s not here because he makes us tick he makes us whole and can bring us to where we want to go yeah so something beet about having a mentor having somebody that believes in you wholeheartedly yeah no I totally agree that was Rob Marinelli for me I mean after my second season bro mentally I was like every single day I was like am I not going to be able to do this like how I want to every day but he that his level of confidence he had in me was like out of this world and that is all I needed like every day having him if I I don’t even know what it would feel like or look like if I didn’t have that dude in my corner especially in that time like you’re going to have ups and downs all the time that’s something that people don’t talk about a lot because the people in the NFL with the ego and everything that people have they don’t talk about the point that you get to and mostly everybody has had this where you question yourself and don’t know if you’re good enough to continue doing this it’s not a for most guys it’s not just a rookie year all the way to 10 years and just like Smooth Sailing yeah like it usually doesn’t happen that way I know it’s everybody gets their confidence trashed everybody gets down in the dumps like it’s a part of life it’s a way of life you know a natural a natural thing that happens so to have somebody like that that gets you over that hump that’s what I feel like I didn’t have in Cleveland it was like you know I kept getting beat down Beat Down Beat Down beat down and when it got to the point I was just this man yeah you need someone to pull you out bro you do and and you know I was lucky to have Josh Macau you know my second year when I was there who was a vet he was you know couldn’t have been better like I don’t give a what anybody has to say about him as a football player an NFL nothing talk about salt of the earth and a guy who like man really clicked made an impact on my life for sure it just you know Cleveland’s tough man it was it was a tough time to be playing for that team and I think anybody that was on those teams would would say the same thing it was it was a weird vibe yeah what do you think like was the biggest factor in Cleveland that that you struggle with like the front office or the social media like just Mi I mean more than anything it was a you know point of self-destruction like it was all internal like yeah you know is is weird as the organization was at that point in time like my struggles were not directly related to them did it all play into a perfect storm and a mixture to where it went the way it did sure we’re we have ticket sales next to our coaches offices so we’re going over meetings for a game and they’re ringing a bell selling season tickets outside like you walk by and you’re like taking pictures with people who are like marketing people in the building like football is football yeah business on the other side and what you do is completely related and if you need to get the guys on the football side to deal with them you do it in a proper time and a proper place doesn’t all go together so that’s one thing at the time that was like just backwards and if you’re if you haven’t been to an organization that’s run the right way how do you know any better like you you you really don’t like this is what I thought was was the norm did you go anywhere after I should know this but did you go anywhere after Cleveland as far as as NFL goes no workouts people bring you in yeah I went and had a really good relationship with Shawn Peyton but it was towards the end of Breeze’s career and I think it was more of like a you know this isn’t kind of going to work out I really thought it was going to and then um funny story haven’t told very many people is I thought I was going to sign in Kansas City the same year that Mahomes got drafted so I think if they wouldn’t have taken a quarterback which thank God they did I mean yeah I think I could have ended up there Andy Reid has a really really good long history of being able to help people and like he saw something to me as well so I took a couple like meetings there and flew up to Kansas City and you know kick the tires on it and it ended up not working out but like you know I think I had two really good opportunities and situations and you know it just wasn’t meant to be like it took me a while like I really thought I was going to get back like I really had this drive and this mindset that things were going to work out but like the way my NFL career ended was just such a like coming to Vegas instead of being there for the last game of the season putting a wig on going to the haasan like you know like and then me on top of that trying to like hide it and like act like I was in Cleveland but I’m MGM is just like so bold and like egotistical it’s crazy to think that I was going to get away with that I remember this dude I’m playing Blackjack and high limit and I like go my hats all the way down like [ __ ] dude the wig is not even like on yet at this point I haven’t decided to get the wig yet so I’m sitting there like this and I even look up to just like this much and I see this guy and we make eye contact barely and the second that happened he pulls his phone out right away and I’m like did you hey did you debate on almost like offering to pay him really quick to delete the picture no at that point in time I would have would have been too cheap like I was living like a I was living like a college kid in Cleveland where I just like knew better than to just hand me a million dollars so just like hey I made like a stiping pretty much is what I did so like the same thing that we got in college it was like 700 bucks a month I just made it like 15K a month instead and like I live like a college kid yeah who’s whose idea was that for the whole Vegas trip was that you and you just like [ __ ] man that was just like the the end of the end in Cleveland for me we like um you know I had a coach um Jimmy O’Neal who was our defensive coach man called me into his office one day as I’m walking by and he’s like man if you weren’t such a pulled your head out of your ass we’d have a chance to win some games and like once this happened I was like destroyed I just like went straight home went to my basement bottle of hny fattest blunt you could think of and just like played future all day and just sat and played pool and like I wanted nothing to do with football nothing to do with this team and I get a concussion week 16 versus Kansas City and so I’m out week 17 I was hurt week 17 the year before and it was a terrible experience like me and my head coach weren’t getting along whatsoever and at this point when this happened I was just like enough is enough like it’s like the Rodman thing when you you heard in the documentary where he’s like this I am who I am I need a break like for me to work like I need to do this and there’s no excuses for that because at the end of the day I let Joe Thomas down I let Joe Hayden down like I let Conor Shaw and Josh Macau and all these guys you know I let them down by not being there with them and it’s something that like took me a long time to get over like and it it was all about me from my mindset back then and it wasn’t about the team it wasn’t about everybody else and that’s you know a recipe for disaster so you know the wig was just like another thing where it’s just like thinking you can get away with everything because you’re on top of the world and like it’s not the reality of how things work the fact you tried it though is oh yeah I tried it I would have got away with it I would have got away with the wig too if it wasn’t for uh a host rotten kids and I paid with my credit card so they got me I should have paid cash yeah what you talked about you played with Joe Thomas Joe Hayden what was your relationship like with Joe Thomas being on the offive side of the ball um and you know he’s a vet and one of the best to ever do it in this game I think he’s easily one of the best to ever do it in the game and like you know I wouldn’t say we have much of a relationship like if I saw him or like something I would say hello to him and he would be like you know treat me the way he always has which is you know when I got in the building he really tried to make an effort to like get me to come to some of these old line parties and like do some of this stuff for Halloween and I was just like just like good on it like good on everything I didn’t immerse myself in the team like I I just you know went back to my condo and just smoked I just played FIFA and like just like you escaped bro just I I you know I just you guys know how it is in the building and stuff and like I wasn’t ready for that grind like that at that time 21 22 like I didn’t know even though how many people had told me like this is your job this is what it is here’s the schedule for five different teams in the NFL go look at it same [ __ ] I’m like yeah yeah of course I got you know but when it happens and you get into it and you have the OTAs and as a rookie you have OTAs rookie Symposium the meetings two three weeks break the rookie meetings like two weeks break and then you’re straight back into a training camp and then like I’ve said this before and I’ve got for it but like I just felt like I never got a break from the NCAA like investigation to the next season to the training for the draft and like hoping and praying to get drafted in the first round when in reality I put too much pressure on myself for getting drafted in the first round like you know a quarterback under six foot getting drafted in the first like wanting to go to you know saying I’m going to the draft because I have to feel like like in my life I need that to be successful like I have to get drafted in the first I have to be at the draft when in reality that man yeah like for real like I would have rather gone and been on the ranch with my family and just chilling No cameras no nothing and enjoyed it and you know when I got to Cleveland and you have these guys like Joe Thomas and things you know I really only got close to Joe Hayden and Joe and his wife moo took me in and if it wasn’t for them I would have been in Cleveland way way before it actually happened like I don’t even think I would have made it a year if it wasn’t for them and you know they never judged they never did anything they tried to help steer me in the right direction they hung out with me but like I was on one like consistently like what I thought made me so great at A&M was the party too so like I thought I you know the harder I pared the better I played on Satur Ed yeah just it was what I mean you go win a Heisman as a as a freshman for the first person ever and like my weeks were just like Benders yeah and then going and Balling on Saturday so I really truly thought that I was like this special different kind of human that was just going to get away with this forever and then you know it catches up to you yeah no bro I could that’s so crazy to say that because obviously know my history everybody knows my history but like when I was in college bro I legitimately felt like that like I didn’t drink before games and Sh like that but like my runs like that was what I look forward to more than anything like we’ll get done we’ll play a Ball State whatever the you know the Mac is when or lose we booze you know when or lose we booze like I would hit my boy like bro we’re going to be back at this time give this and like that’s what I look forward to more than anything like even when I was young like freshman year sophomore year like before workouts it would be out till 3:00 a.m. partying it up and be up at 6:00 a.m. training and I’ll would be out there smiling laughing having Best Time Ever best time ever and like that for me I legitimately in my head I remember specifically being on the field I’m like this is the greatest thing ever like I’ll be able to do this I’m I’m different than everybody like that’s how crazy like how how lost I was like at that point but I could I could totally relate to that bro we had had a system sounds like you did as well like full system Thursday nights burn it down to the ground Friday morning is our walkthr I’m the only in the walkthr that’s like dead Sprint you know handing the ball off and like 20 yards Sprints I’m dying out there sweating everything out and get on the plane you know knocked get to the hotel couple hours of meetings boom straight back to the room you play a night game the next day so you’re sleeping the whole day it’s boring sitting in the hotel room like that when you play night games like brutal so like I felt like this is you know it was enough recovery at the time I didn’t know my body enough and like what it didn’t consider myself a high level athlete like that at the time like I was just this short kid out there running my ass off like you know that’s what it was like but I had the system in place to like party and play and party and play and then you know you do that for two three years you’re not the same as you were when this whole thing first started it just it catches up to everybody nobody can get away with it no no that’s crazy so I know you talk about like you know obviously in my time your time like you had you had to feel that like void and it was you know smoking drinking whatever it was partying being out on the scene you know doing what you do like obviously nowadays you’re not playing football you’re obviously in a different you know realm doing a lot of different things kind of elaborate on like what fills your Void now because you seem like just seeing your interviews and you know we’ve talked a couple times just through Instagram and like that and just seeing how you are like you seem at peace and you seem like a a happy individual it makes me happy that’s at the end of the day like I’m not sober bro I’m a piece of [ __ ] like that’s the first thing that none of this happens if I’m not clean and getting my mind right like what are you doing now days and uh just give kind of an update on how long did it take for you to get to that piece though too I mean a decade I mean really truly 10 years because I didn’t put you know enough work in on myself to be able to like you know what it takes bro you’re doing it you’ve done it and it’s not something that you ever get to completely it’s always like you’re this far from the goal and the goal keeps going and you go with it and like it’s it really is a day byday type of piece so like you know when I was my first year in Cleveland at offseason I went and did three months and a re in Pennsylvania and you know thought that I was like ready for this to like you know I knew I wasn’t going to be sober like I knew I had still so much more that I wanted to do in life that I thought was important so I knew when I went there that this wasn’t like done like I wasn’t I hadn’t hit that point yet and you know after life goes on and a decade goes by like you know I think I had a mindset where I was like you know I could just get away with everything kind of thing and it like wouldn’t catch up it wouldn’t catch up to me for the most part like it just this it’s the ego is what it was so when like I got to the point where I feel like I try and kill that and I learned a lot through the AA and like took a bunch of pieces and advice from people and like I would say something I’m working on right now is sobriety is right like I think over the last couple months I’ve I’m not partying the same way that I used to anymore like not doing drugs it’s just not like nobody I see that’s successful that like is where I want to be is going to a bathroom stall to do anything or like yeah smoke a little weed cool like that’s to me that’s more medicine than anything else like it’s something that like I feel like I need in my life to like make me who I am it’s always been a part of me and it always will be um so right now like I’ve cut down drinking I’ve no drugs like that like I’ve got to a point where I’m just trying to like grow up and you know my mindset has shifted over the last 3 four months and a lot of that is due to like golf so I play golf 3 four days a week you know my life revolves around my boys and my family my nieces so um you know that’s the priority of like where I’m at and then I think it’s business right like I had this mindset for the longest time that I was retired like I went and played the NFL what do you do now I’m like I’ll [ __ ] do anything but how do you tell somebody that it’s not like the greatest conversation when they’re like oh what do you do like nothing chill chilling and then you speak to somebody who’s like a real businessman he’s like you’re chilling what are you talking about you’re joke I’m like whatever bro so you know I think I’m I’m trying to start doing some stuff at Texas A&M I want to be around that program got a couple bars in College Station that you know I’m trying to immerse myself back into college station in a place that made me who I was so it’s Scottdale in Texas you know I’m kind of going back and forth and then you know my main thing right now is how can I be organically myself while also moving forward in a positive direction I have to keep this pieces of me that make me who I am to that have me sitting on this couch with you and the reason we’re able to talk the way that we are so you know a complete shift of that I can’t have like a complete 180 is going to make me it makes you feel like fraudulent I can’t do the square I can’t do the square I can’t do fake no it’s just like makes me sick to my stomach I was just going to ask you like part of I’m not Johnny Football but I understand like coming from being the guy from wherever you play college ball at and then you get set back to being like you’re a freshman all over again when you’re a rookie no one ever preps you for that so mentally confidence everything that we hit on like it’s a tough pill to swallow and I think when you’re trying to evolve and grow as a person it’s tough because if you’re like you got a little about you like we all do like swaggy or whatever but you’re like I’m growing up I kind of feel corny I don’t want to be corny or lame so then you’re like I’m I’m going to peel back and show everyone that I’m not a cornball I can still drink I can still hit the blunt I can do whatever but I feel like it’s like a finding that right mixture is hard it is it’s really hard and there’s either you know for some people the way it goes like it’s either a complete cut off and a complete stop but like you know I’m not going out blacking out being anymore like I’m not drinking like that and like I go out have a couple shouts with my friends and like chill yeah like I’m have this energy and Vibe about me right now in life where I’m just like I’m not like sleeping in all day anymore I’m not feeling lazy like I’m getting back in the gym I’m doing things like so I see where my life is going like I see how I feel and know myself really really well to the point that I know what I’m doing right now is working yeah and there’s a couple things that I’ll fine-tune and like dial in but like you know I’m working on my mental health I’m working on my drinking and like sobriety is I’m working on things in life that I think you’re going to allow me to be myself um while still being better and like that’s what it’s all about that day byday Brick by Brick mentality is like the last 8 10 days 12 days 14 days I’ve had in a row or like I got 1% better every day yeah whether it was business or this or life or the way I’m talking to people or communicating with my team or like little things you know how my mindset is when I wake up in the morning everybody has days in the morning where they wake up and they’re like this is going to be one of them days I’m have to grind through and now I’m like aware of it and before I would know it and then just continue on about my day now it’s like all right I need to put some more focus into today because it’s going to naturally be tough yeah no I love that bro and it’s it’s crazy because I feel that 100% like especially when I first got sober I’m like how the am I going to even operate like how am I going to be around people like I’m so used to socializing all right me and the boys are drinking having fun hitting the Black and Mild like how the am I even going to live and like just be who I am because I like I’m still me at the end of the day that’s the thing I’ve been sober almost four years but like y’all know like I’m still me and that’s what I realize over the time being sober like I don’t have to like you talking about the 180 like I don’t have to try to be like hey I’m Max be something I’m not like I’m 100% myself but I’ve had to learn it’s taken time and like years to get like to build myself as a human being and like have confidence to go up and have a normal conversation like if I wasn’t drinking back then like I don’t even I didn’t even know how to walk up to somebody and be like yo I’m Max what up like I avoided all those conversations but now it’s like it’s crazy like that you you can fully Build and Grow yourself and it takes years and years and years to do it but you don’t have to change and be something you’re not like and I think that’s super important because I think when people think about like cleaning up your life and I love that you’re real about it you’re like yeah I’m not 100% sober I still have a couple drinks and do my [ __ ] I know it’s going to come to that yeah I know one day like I’m going to be like look myself in the mirror and be like you done yet and like that’ll come right now I’m like when I say I’m dialing it in like I know that when that goes it’s going to go all the way off it’s just like turning the music down like it’s just slowly getting to where there’s no decibles anymore and I’m cool with that I knew that a long time ago and there was a fear of mine sitting in that rehab years ago where I’m like I really got to live the rest of my life like this first thought BR yeah it’s it’s a terrifying thing like you know there’s a lot of great lessons in AA there’s a lot of great lessons in recovery and this and that that like are truly little small things that may sound cliche or like be a little square whatever it is but like it’s all meaningful and like the little details of your life and what you don’t think really truly matters does yeah how did your family and everybody take it cuz I remember this day I was in the XFL we were talking about that but like I was standing in my locker getting ready to run out to practice and this dude text me like um a page like I’m going into rehab like a have to blah blah blah and I know he had a lot of support for you like what was the support like when you had a check in because for some people like your boys and stuff they’re probably like man this is Johnny like I’m used to going out and getting the tables like we’re about to be on the tonight I mean that’s true like did you have that same support from your people around you or did you have to start weeding people out and make that Circle even smaller you know I was so loyal and always have been at that point that it didn’t matter what people said my boys and day ones from you know high school that were with me and coming up and my boys from college and stuff they weren’t going anywhere just because I was going to rehab like I wasn’t going to allow it like at that point in time like this wasn’t going to happen I don’t give a you have to say you have to say or you have to say this is not your you guys are all around here and doing what you’re doing because of me I know you’re trying to help but I’m at the point right now where I’m 22 years old and I don’t see what’s really happening I don’t see the opportunity I’m like blinded and filled with where I can’t see all the good going around outside of like you know my direct vision and it was like you know I had support you know my family was there like they came and visited me we did a whole you know week long thing that where they come up and when you like work on your trauma and you work on your stuff of like you know a lot of the recovery stuff is about identifying and finding kind of what went wrong and what you felt like you know where you harmed in Life or things you didn’t know or making you react in certain kind of ways and like as a kid you don’t necessarily like know you see what’s going on around you but you don’t know the meaning type meaning behind it kind of thing so like things with family and this and that so like the support system family all that was amazing but at the end of the day comes down to you and like when when I got out of the league everybody tried to save me you know I had everybody from like you know Chris Heron any single guy in recovery from across the world she trying to reach out and I’m just double Birds to everybody and that’s like all right you have to let this kid go and you have to let him do what he wants and just pray that he makes it through and like that’s what it is like until you’re ready to change until you want to make the steps and to make yourself better it’s not going to happen like nobody can want it for you and that’s what they all used to say back in the day we can’t do this for you or we would yeah that’s how much we care we would that line you just said where you’re not going to change unless you want to right you said it’s been a decade for you to find your peace your happiness was there like one defining moment where you’re like I am sick of living like this and it was the proponent to your change man to be honest I started doing this ceman therapy really and it’s really like you know the way I’ve been you know it’s been described to me is you know repairing of the brain like rewiring my brain to a way where I’m going to therapy and this stuff and like it’s been a real game Cher for my mental to bring me to peace and like I think it’s been like you know there was a couple little things that were like lingering around in my life that I like truly wasn’t over you know I was not over the situation in Cleveland I had hate in my heart I had I was mad know mad at myself mad at them mad at everybody and when I finally got to the point where like I let that go like I remember going on Instagram when they lost 16 games and like trolling the out of them bro like trolling so hard I was so happy and what did what a like what a shallow way to be happy about somebody else’s like downfall why why would you ever want that like I would I didn’t like the people who wish that upon me so why am I giving that same kind of energy back to the world and like I think when I finally just like let things go from like an anger like emotional type of you know standpoint I started to get more free and then from there another step was just like rigorous honesty man like it’s so easy to go through life when you’re not fully and you’re not lying and like what comes out of my mouth is what I truly believe my opinion May differ from yours or you may take my words and take them out of context or something or maybe that’s the way you see them everybody interprets words in different ways or meaning like that’s why you have your tone behind it or like gestures or whatever it is there’s a bunch of things that go into one so like you know all these things have kind of pieced together and I got to a really good place a couple years ago and golf was like keeping me going but it was still like kind of like the football thing again where it was party party party all night wake up hit the golf course and then the golf course in Arizona is a party so it’s like you know now it’s just a constant Bender kind of thing and then I went through a LW the last two years where you know I haven’t been myself you know I got into a bad relationship and like shifted all my focus Focus from myself to this and when that happens you’re going to naturally deteriorate a little bit so you know finally I cut that off and got a chance to just like I’m going to be selfish about my health myself and my brain like man it’s no fun being in your head with all these thoughts ping ponging around every day and if a lot of them are you know negative so I’m in a know positive uplifting place I want to give off a good aura about myself that’s like suff ating in a way of just like yo like your Vibe that’s what I want to give off like I want to be polite I want to be nice I want to treat people the way that I would want to be treated and all this sounds cliche but it’s very simple not Reinventing the wheel here yeah and a lot of like the things that we do to try and be better in life are are that they’re simple if you if you allow them to be y 100% so what’s like the biggest spot in your life now that you want to like goalwise is there a tangible goal that you want other than than just pure happiness I mean that’s been that’s been the goal like what I’ve told people like you know that’s what I’m chasing but like that comes in a different a lot of different ways so like it’s business it’s family it’s like you know friends yeah of course so like you know I think it’s just like as a whole continue to take this day-by-day approach and like yeah I have goals but like those are something that like you focus on I’m taking my vision from like out here to like it’s dead straight down the center and if anything doesn’t align with that line and it’s on this or this side it’s just gone yeah and like I’m I’m working on that people are going to find out that are around my life right now that like this is for real and this is different and you either come correctly and proper about it or I’m going to get on your and that’s not because I’m rude it’s not because of anything like this you are jeopardizing my ability to be the person that I want to be in life and if you come in the way of where I want to go now I’m gonna stomp you and that’s not like in a physical way it’s in a way where I’m going to be very nice and you’re cut yeah right you ain’t going to get the text back you’re not going to get the same like I’ve been too nice out here for a long time and I’ve been ran over and backed up and ran over and backed up and it’s like I’m not coming out for blood but I’m going to defend what’s mine and come for what I think I deserve yeah I love that bro I literally I was just going to say I’m like that’s I mean every everybody in a place of you know playing the NFL high level of success goes through that I mean the last two years I’ve dealt with I mean more things with my friends family some of my closest people around me like having to look myself in the mirror and be like why am I allowing bad energy around me all the time and I think that’s honestly the biggest thing in my life that’s made a change this past year was being like this is my boundary I am not trying to over anybody I’m not trying to go out for blood like you said but this is what I’m doing and if you’re not LED or you don’t understand that’s perfectly fine but I’m going this way this is what I’m chasing I’m doing this every day and I [ __ ] I’m the most loving dude yall like I’ll go out of my way and give you the shirt off my back but like if you come in out of you know out of nowhere and you’re expecting out of me 247 oring bringing negative energy and just like not fully understanding what I have to go through and you and people won’t understand you they never will but they’re just having that level of respect I think is the most important thing and and creating real boundaries I think that’s the biggest part of my my journey as well just like this is it it’s black and white there’s no gray area this is what I’m doing and like we’re going to be boys we’re going to work together we’re going to do our like this is what I expect from you I’m going to come with this you’re going to see that every day but I need y’all to be fully aligned with what I’m doing and I think that’s super important bro just for your mental like CU there’s so much so many people want to be boys of Johnny Manzel or have some type of you know influence in his life but are all of them genuine absolutely not and it goes both ways and it’s yeah I don’t care who you are you’re not going to have a thousand like really genuine people around you right now I think I’m building like a I keep calling it a spider web but like I’m creating a spider web of great people yeah who I know are solid from tip of the country anywhere around the world like if I think you’re vetted in a sense where I know who you are to your core and like I know you have good intentions I know you’re you don’t do Shady business like I know that you treat people the right way I see how you act to a waiter see how you act to a bathroom attendant like I see everything because people have been looking at me for so long and I have to have my guard up yeah so like I see how you treat people and if you treat that waiter that way it’s just like you ain’t coming back to dinner with me and it’s just like not it’s that’s just not it’s just real like I I treat everybody the same way from the CEO to the janitor and that’s what people say all the time like I got love for people I’m a people person like anybody that sees me anybody that sees this if you come up to Johnny Manzel and you come with the right energy in the right way and you have a nice personto person conversation we’re g to have a great time you come up talking some and I’m GNA change really quick for a brief period of time yeah and it a it’s not a threat right it’s not like I’m gonna it’s not like you know most people look at this and they they hear that and they’re like oh are you gonna fight it’s like I ain’t fighting fighting nobody what I got to do this ain’t the UFC bro like I’m just going to roast you and I’m going to go on about my day and then you can take that with as you please yeah so you know it’s all love I say that to everybody much love all Love Like These are words that I use that I truly feel like it really is yeah I’m just matching the energy that you give me 100% I feel that especially the damage like people don’t understand like you’re damaged and I’m damaged like everybody has been in that in that in that realm understands like when you have somebody like like you’ll give the shirt off your back and then no you’ve been crossed a million times you thought they’ll take that shirt and they’ll sell it yeah be on eBay by the morning like that hurts more than anything it’s not even about the money or nothing it’s about like you going out of your way to show genuine love and like care for somebody and I’m just stab you in the back then happens again and again and then your guard is up all the time and then people you snap one time like he’s a and be like you have no clue to this [ __ ] you know you have no idea I was I was for a lot of years man like I was so like this all the time that like I wasn’t even able really to see like I was blind then and now I feel like I have more Vision about life and like more Vision about how I want to treat people and like the direction I’m going in life and tangible goals that I have better just better like piece by piece and like we’ll look up in 10 years if I put effort into my life for 10 years I feel like I’m going to be on Mars like I’m I’m feel like I’m destined for for great things footb football was an amazing vessel to get me to this point right now where I’m at in life and like at the end of the day it’s just a game like as much as you love it and much as much as like it makes you whole and who you are it ain’t that serious man it is because you want to win so it’s anything that you do in competition like I treat golf the same way that I treated college football yeah same way I played on Saturdays is the same way I do on the golf course right now and like I don’t know any other way right that’s just the way I’m I’m ined so like now it’s being a competitor into life like I’m not sitting up here being a preacher or anything or that I’m saying my Truth for what it is and like it’s better moving forward better you know creating a better I’m creating the life that I want for myself and no like it’s another thing we were talking about earlier nobody’s going to do it but you and you can make life really simple on yourself or you can make life really hard on yourself and like there a no really gray area and that either fact people think just cuz you’re a great football player like that it’s just going to equ equate off the field like oh he’s a great football player he’s got to be a great dude or he’s got to have it he’s got to figure it out on the field he’s got to figure it out off the field but it’s like no bro these we know we know great football players who are their 100% so what’s the biggest blessing and curse you think the game of football brought you I mean the biggest blessing that I think I ever got is like just friendships that are just so it’s like my relationship with Mike K mean something to me that like is such a bond and like a brother forever like watching him come from nothing and get a chance to walk across that St stage I did I got drafted with two of my teammates in this first round three of us went in the first round which is players yeah it and like the relationships that I have the coaches the people that like I truly truly love and enjoy being around that is a great gift that the game has given to me the Heisman Trophy is the coolest thing you could ever have in your life like truly that’s and when I go back to my grandmother’s house and I walk in that house just the aura and the like that that thing gives off is like special so like those are two things that just like mean mean the world to me and then like you know what’s what’s the downside and the downside is the fame and like everybody wants to be famous I wanted to be famous it’s why I went and hung out with Drake and hung out with LeBron and did all this cuz deep down when I was this kid from this hillbilly town in Texas I wanted to be famous as anybody does and I didn’t think it was ever a reality yeah so when it happens you’re like this is what it’s like and you know it’s a blessing and a curse you know I wouldn’t be maybe I would be but I don’t think I’d be able to do half the that I’m able to do in life especially over the last 10 12 years if it wasn’t for the fame so like there’s a good side to it and then there’s a lot of the trouble that’s coming in my life from it and it is suffocating in and you know people will look at this and be like you know you played football you get this all the time played football you make millions of dollars shut the blah blah blah you have no idea about what the reality of the situation is and like you know you’re sitting at a dinner with your boys somebody’s coming up doing this like there’s a proper way to treat people and just because you’re on TV and you’re on you know you play for the Raiders and they feel like they have with the team because they’re fans there is still a way to be resp respectful about approaching people because at the end of the day we’re all human beings me and you aren’t any different than anybody sitting on this couch other than we’re more athletically gifted yeah like that’s really like what it is like it’s there’s no difference between any of us and that’s the way I view it so like from a small hit town but at least your family you know was on an oil self baby do you feel like the Netflix show cuz I I mean but that’s where it finally came out I felt like to people that that was made up forever I I was telling everyone too I’m like Johnny don’t need the money like he’s whipping a beam around in college like you guys are asleep he’s got they’re good and then it came out do you felt like a that Netflix like series portrayed everything you wanted it to did they miss anything and then two just how insane is that story cuz I don’t think there was like a want what did I want from the documentary you know I didn’t want anything you know for me what I got from it was peace of mind and like a weight lifted off your shoulders and yeah um you know I’ve been living with that inside my head for 10 years you know 12 years that nobody outside my like Inner Circle really knew what was like what it was you know maybe 10 15 people maybe some teammates that’s saw this [ __ ] but like nobody knew and to go be able to like tell that story in the way that I wanted to with like not holding back for the most part and like I didn’t Church it up you know I I was I kept it a buck and my interactions with people that I have now in life is completely different than what it was before the documentary came out every day an interaction with somebody before the documentary was yo why aren’t you playing football you know what are you doing nowadays we need you back in the NFL blah blah blah like football football football football so when the dot comes out and I let it be known struggles and what I went through in life and how much of a issue football was for me mentally just to live you know people come up to me now and they’re like man so glad you’re here bro keep fighting the good fight like we love you and that for me is like personal affirmation type of that you need in life to continue going forward and of course there’s always going to be the occasional [ __ ] out there that continues to do the same stuff or whatever but like that’s anything but now instead of 99 of those being negative and one being positive it’s almost flipped now I have you know 95 exchanges and 95 are great and five may be bad and I can live with that ratio yeah you know I could live with the 50/50 ratio but like a 99% chance that somebody’s going to come up and talk some for me and where I was the last 10 years like I was liable to slap somebody and I probably tried I feel that I respect it me too it’s real it’s hard to be Johnny Football when you’re not it’s hard to be Johnny Football when you’re not playing it you know TI to yeah no speaking of Johnny Football so just pivot a little bit want to talk a little ball what is like because I could tell my personal story you know I seen everybody says the B game obviously I know where I was when I watched that game insanity but my favorite Johnny Football game was the Duke game and honestly think it was one of the greatest performances in college football I’ve ever seen the way y’all came back and you led the charge was [ __ ] jumped out of the pile bro he was going nuts jump out of the P Insanity that was my favorite what was your favorite game or do you think like your best game I I think the year before the cotton ball versus uh versus Oklahoma was really like really dope for me my red shirt year we played at Norman it was like 30 degrees it was for me that’s juste freezing I’m a red I’m a red shirt you know their our benches are really close to like their first row and those F they were so bad they were so rude such a terrible like you know Christian Michael one of our running backs tears his ACL in the game and C Mike tears his ACL and everybody behind us is cheering biggest [ __ ] fan base in the world and like it’s just like one of those things you’ll never forget for the rest of your life like where you were the feeling you had and like I’m not playing I have no you know chance to even you know change the outcome of this game whatsoever so you fast forward to 2012 you know exactly like a year later you know can a freshman win the Heisman okay it happens cool all right now these reports are coming out that I’m not practicing enough and I’m not doing this and that and like so we play Oklahoma in the cotton bow they’re coming from Norman down we’re coming from College Station up and we meet in Cowboy stadium which was like only place I ever wanted play a game like I really could have been done with my football career after that game I would have been compl I would have been completely cool with it bro could have walked out of Jerry W and just been like I’m retiring they’ll be like from college football done I’m it break take my Heisman I’m not going to play anymore I’m [ __ ] done you guys have fun and like looking back on it like might have worked out [ __ ] it might have bro it might have so like that game going in there like rushing for 220 25 and like just absolutely on that Oklahoma team that had been like you know they weren’t talking that day Oklahoma those Oklahoma fans weren’t saying then you know that they were cheering for our boy getting hurt the year before they didn’t say they were headed to the exits in the third quarter start the bus barbecue so I mean between that game and then the Duke game the Duke game was such a weird weird vibe man and it’s because of me it’s my fault like I was the leader of this team with the Heisman Trophy and like with the like we’re coming back for annati this 2013 year like we play Bama the third game of the year it’s number one versus number four like I know we’re good enough to go win a National Championship but like I’m not present you know I am this famous floating partying making money from these autographs and like with all the things that like I was doing that people look at you know sign autographs this this a cool story the real life version of it what’s going on in the locker room is like deterioration of like you know I know Mike Evans looks at me like it’ll never forget how I was that first year leading by example and doing the right [ __ ] for the most part and then the next year where it’s just like not that way whatsoever and from that you know 14 weeks in a college football season you get to that bowl game by the end of that season when you have National Championship aspirations and you’re seven and four and going to playing the Chick-fil-A Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl or something you know it was like a clash it was a clashing point so like our walkthroughs before the game you know oh [ __ ] I don’t told the story we almost got in a full team brawl over like $40 bottle of Hennessy that didn’t get paid back to somebody that was like left on the table in the room somebody didn’t get it and like I remember it locker room right down the middle offense defense and it’s like creeping up on like a real Throwdown and this is the day before the game damn so you know we get into that game against Duke and like the first half I think we’re down like 20 we’re down a lot like they score every drive it’s like 35 14 or something at half and they’re just like cruising we’re like not mesing at all Mike’s frustrated like it’s a huge like frustration of things and I remember I haven’t told this either I remember walking off the field at halftime and looking at Jake padol my offensive coordinator and we’re walking in I look at him and I go man should I just shut this down and like just kick it for the second half and like get ready for the draft and he looked at me like I had three eyes because it was so against who I was and who he knew me to be like so focused on the wrong that you can’t live in the now you can’t live in this moment what you have in front of you you’re so forward thinking because you’re selfish right that you can’t even be here for these guys and when he looked at me like that I went straight to the locker room got a IV and I just started going ham and like the only way we’re going to get any energy into this game and we’re GNA have any in life is to come out this second half and just run a over flat mhm and like one of the first plays of the second half he like spin out take it down the sine line I’m probably a yard out of bounds and I’m laying it on his I’m coming like me up but I got to get something to like let these guys know that I’m serious about this and I’ll literally die for this like whatever it takes to win this game and like luckily we did and you know the energy that you see in the second half of that game from me is like pure as you’re ever going to get and probably one of my purest moments of my life just because I was able to like identify what we needed and like the way my coach you know looks at me starts that whole like snowball of greatness and like I couldn’t pull it out of myself until he you know shifted my vision and my focus to where it needed to be and then from there I think I did what I was naturally good at and it’s you know not about the throws or the this or the that there’s something to be said about being a leader that like in your actions in the way you carry yourself and the way walk and the way you talk and like you know that was needed for us at that moment in time and you know to go out and close that out and like you know what a great way to end a college football career on oh yeah tail of two halves ta two the game that I think of tail of two halves is rice when you played rice because you got suspended for the first half I know exactly where the I was at getting ready to put my on to head it to the stadium to play our game actually um I just remember that’s you know this [ __ ] but you that game to me was one of my favorite games watching just cuz you had to deal with all that um I don’t even know if you you knew you were getting spent for that half or if it was like game time decision but like just seeing you come back you were still talking your still being Johnny but you could just see the Love of the Game that you had kind of like the duke it was just like it was pure you were out there doing what you truly were meant to do or in that moment felt like you were meant to do and that’s something that sck out to me man was the rice game because you had so much with the autographs going on did you get paid this that and the third now you’re seeing [ __ ] getting paid left and right nil how much money do you think you probably would have racked up if you I don’t know maybe like 10 10 million a year if I would have stayed or something but like it would have given me it would have given me the opportunity to not have to leave um yeah and I think if I would have stayed in college another year I would have it would have really hit a point in my life where I would have done something really stupid and got in trouble and I never would have made it to the NFL yeah um so life goes the way that it goes and you just like live with it at that point in time this was the best decision that I could have made and hey I wasn’t ready I wasn’t grown up enough I wasn’t prepared for what was in front of me but if I would have stayed it’s just that what if game that I’ve played for the last 10 years like now I know what it is it went this way accept it and like move on acceptance is a huge part of the whole thing too hell yeah so you know that game against rice and the NCA no that’s a fact bro they came from my neck and like thank God that I had my grandpa like I had such a g to where he I maybe made like x amount from signing autographs but I guarantee you was XX amount to get these lawyers to make sure that they didn’t suspend me they wanted to suspend me for a whole year they wanted to try and like strip my trophy and do all this so like luckily you know I was able to be in a position with my family to like really help me and I hired the best people that you could for this stuff and you know they didn’t the in is in the way they were set up is they don’t have to have proof this isn’t like a court of law type of deal this is just like based on their opinion of these jerk offs that come into this room um here’s what’s going to happen and most people as we know you know most guys don’t have that opportunity in college most of these guys like you know are coming from nothing so what are they going to go you know have your you know somebody from the school like if your School cares enough about you to come defend you like if I would have used A&M’s lawyers or any of their people like I would have been yeah and that’s not saying anything bad about the school it’s just about the reality of what the situation was it’s not a court of law it’s not here’s the facts present them and somebody it’s like we think you did this so we’re going to suspend you for a whole year and we were like no chance yeah like you present what it is we’re going to present exactly what happened and Back stories with this if you guys need receipt like you know go to go to this bank account like see what cash was Tak like you can there’s a story for like all of this and there is a way to present it and they originally came back and said maybe it was like a game and then it got like Whitted down to like a half and then me being the smart that I was at the time I was like can it be the second half we playing rice yeah I love that though I love it I love it I’m so glad you did we uh we were I think one of the other episodes earli this week talking about Reggie Bush’s Heisman right what are your thoughts on the NCAA taking his Heisman for what’s legal right now by the way two the most electrifying people yeah he’s he’s he’s the best of all time I mean what a legend like yeah know best of all time AR incredible for my for I’m 31 so like my time my era it was like I’ll never forget the sideline with that guy that coach reeling him down the sideline he cuts all the way back like crazy the front flip into the end zone this is like the background on my computer like I don’t even like USC like that I just liked him he wasan you know everybody in the Heisman right now um you know we’re we’re kind of like you know a little bit of a shift I feel like you know I’ve been back probably eight of the last 12 years or something I really don’t miss it that much unless I have something come up it means something to me right and you know we’re in a shift where like a lot of our guys who are old school legends are getting a little bit older like and we’ve lost a couple guys with rest in peace and like you know now the younger guys who are you know anywhere from 28 to 45 55 like you know are kind of making a shift on what the future is going to look like of this fraternity you know like as great as the Heisman trust is like it really is a collection of Heisman trust being so legendary and awesome because they’ve been around for so long and then it’s all you know it’s the it’s the winners and it’s who puts in the time to make it like great and we’re at a shift right now where some of the like younger guys are riding for Reggie man and I brought it up a couple years ago where I’m like it just doesn’t sit right with me and you know I had never really talked to Matt leoner that much other than a couple times like here and there and when we sat on the bus and we’re going to the ceremony you know we talked about this and then you have Troy Smith and all these guys around that are kind of hearing it and it like you know the ball had already been rolling but like this when you bring it up in conversation it like really makes you know an impact on the situation so um you know we I don’t speak for us all but the majority of us I believe are fighting for Reggie to get it back and what I’ve been told and what we were all emailed was Reggie can’t get his Heisman back because his stats are voided by the NCAA so they won’t give his trophy back until he actually has statistics from 2005 so it’s going to take the NCAA reinstating the numbers that he had on that year is what it sounds like yeah cuz he took a couple bucks so his game all comes back toaa being Above the Law and they could just say hi this is they’re the judge and the jury I think it is something that that maybe the Heisman trust could do um I know when we we you know talked about that a couple years ago that it like wasn’t in a place to be able to do it that was kind of prean though you know n has only been around two years and like I know this popped up like really beginning with the nil but like how can you take a guy’s trophy for what kids are able to do now like it just doesn’t I call him a Pioneer it just doesn’t make sense and the way they did it was the way they did it was so dirty like dirty Reggie got did done so dirty that it was like I mean respect to him man respect to him for handling it the way that he did for being the person that he is and like being that guy because if that would have happened to me I would have taken that Trophy and [ __ ] hit it and I would have taken it to the other side of the world and put it in a museum that nobody could get and like I like never would you ever get that thing for me and it’s just not going to happen like you know they’ve made it in a way now to where we don’t actually own our trophy it’s on like a thousand year lease or something or whatever it is like you know so because of people selling them in the past you’re not able to outright own them because they’ve come into problems with people in the past and there has been like two or three that have been sold damn and you said your trophy is at your grandmother’s house yeah at my grandmother’s house I’m going to finally bring it to how’s huh H TR what’s the relationship between your grandma you want great it’s great like I don’t know um we have two Heisman Trophy winners from my hometown and Tyler me and R Campbell so I felt like it would be really bad for the small town in East Texas to have two of the trophies sitting in that town yeah [ __ ] he’s uh he’s been a great family friend forever eats at my grandpa’s restaurant all the time and like I just thought that was dope you know like this is where it belongs when when I won the Heisman I brought like 25 family members and like we turn that with that still to this day back and they’re like d your family that year was bad like you know I’ll get a chance to like bring them back and do it again so family’s getting older and like know people aren’t going to be able to do that forever and I want to have that experience again but like you know it’s not just it’s not just a me thing right it’s always a we never me is the way I look at it now and like I don’t win that trophy without my grandpa throwing a football down the hallway with me putting me on to like big 12 games back in the day I don’t play college football I go play baseball or something so like there’s all these things in life that are part of your story whether they’re good whether they’re bad whatever it is that make you who you are and where you’re going in life and like yeah my family deserves that trophy as much as I do because it wasn’t just by me that I got there like Mike Evans has a piece of that trophy Jake Matthews has a piece of that trophy C Mike has a piece like every one of my boys who were there all have a piece in that they all have a hand in that thing it was it’s a total team effort to be able to get there to do that because if you don’t view it that way you’re just wrong yeah no I 100% agree no that’s fire that’s real that’s dope though is that Mike deons a first ballot you tell me yeah to he talk about under talk about underrated man and like it’s hard to say underrated and it’s hard to say like disrespected but like it is no for sure he doesn’t get the love that he deserves let’s put it that way like Yeah from jamus to Tom Brady to Baker you can say what you want differently individually about each of those guys um you can look back now and say that Mike Evans maybe might have made Johnny Manzel the person that he is and I think he definitely did like he’s special he’s a special human being he’s a special football player he’s a great dad he’s a great husband he’s a good family person like yeah I love everything about him I love the way he moves I think he’s the biggest Legend that’s ever walked to Earth in my eyes that’s the way I view him so like you know just keep doing what he’s doing man and he’s gonna have records that nobody’s gonna touch for the end of time and then you have no choice but to respect him and like he’s gonna walk across the stage I’m gonna be there when that gold jacket goes on and like it is stamped it is going to happen 100 so like prepare for it whatever you want to do but you can’t downplay him any longer because he is him yeah for sure he’s different bro I I’ve met him a few times too he’s solid solid as they come bro he’s I mean he nice bro he’s the nicest person ever and there’s one thing about Mike like he’s never changed yeah he’s only gotten better like when he first got to A&M he he was this nice kid but he still had this Galveston little hoods side to him you know like he he did for sure like of course and he still carries that with him in a way and you see it but he’s very like mature about it now and very like professional and like he he takes it serious and like it’s time he needs another bag and he’s about to reup and I hope it’s I hope it’s not in Tampa like they had their chance they should have paid him and they disrespected him the same way that everybody else is I know how that guy works in the building I know how he is as a person I know what Tampa asked from him not in a like direct sense but in a sense of whatever they ask him to do I know what Mike like yeah I got you done that’s how he’s always been so hey I need a new deal we’re not going to give you a new deal okay cool I’m gonna play this year out and I’m gonna leave and that’s what it should be I hope he sticks to that like I truly do like yeah you should go to places that would respect you for what you are and you’re worth like you know we live in a day and age now we’re like especially in the NFL like other can bounce around you can go like you want out you can get out because nobody wants an unhappy employee like that so yeah I think uh I would love to see him in Houston bro what him and CJ I know he lives there in the off season I would love to see him in Houston they could definitely use a receiver like that that would be disgusting that’ be baller that receiver with those you got tank Dell you got n and they can afford him 100% they have a lot of money you got a rookie quarterback on that deal you can pay him broie of the Year Rookie of the Year baby that be crazy I think that’s a great yeah I’m curious who do you think emulates uh Johnny Manzel’s game quarterback wise in today’s NFL or do he have to be but like to me personally I think of like Kyler kind of like and I don’t probably a little bit I mean we’ve always had that style I think I always like you know talking about people you had an impact on you know I take no credit for anything that KY has ever done of course he is a baller and was always going to be but like I remember our talks when I was at A&M in 2012 and 2013 I knew that he looked up to me I knew that he wanted to play like that and we had similar Styles so like of course me and Kyler are always going to be like just the way you run and elusiveness and this but like you know I’m loving what Lamar is doing right now like he’s really transformed himself into something that’s better than what you know anybody could have really seen I always saw it because I I watched the Louisville games and I knew what it was like I remember going to his Heisman year and being in that room with his family and his mom and getting a chance to like that was special as hell and he is and you know I’m I’m really curious now from an NFL standpoint kind of how some of these [Music] young some of these older guys quarterback wise are going to be getting out of there we’ve seen it like there is no more Breeze there is no more rothberger there is no more Brady there is no more pton and this and that like you know Rogers is going to be out of here soon like you’re you’re you’re it’s just like we love him to death but like yeah it’s 4 he’s he’s 41 years old like it’s time comes for everybody and you know it’ll be really interesting like to see how these young guys and who takes over and who really like steps into the spotlight I think CJ is going to be a guy that’s going to be a problem in the league for a while like you know I think Tua is going to be a problem for a while like the guys really really cold and I’m interested to see how it goes I’m not like dialed into the game as much but like I do pick my guys that like I really enjoy watching and I have coaches that I like from offensive schemes like I love what Mike McDaniels is doing I love what Shanahan does like there’s guys I respect and like and that’s the way I view the NFL now like I’ll watch a Raider game because you’re playing I don’t care about you know anything else like that like I like my guys and what it is and I’ll turn on the game for that I gotta ask you this because he’s a big Roger fan and I just want to know cuz I feel like every quarterback almost every quarterback I’ve asked is to like one of the guys I looked up to was Brett Favre when I grew up like that’s who I want to play like and you probably say you probably say the same [ __ ] who do you think who would you take Brett Favre Aaron Rogers boom boom now we’re talking yeah let’s get to Nitty Gritty okay yeah breett Favre have one of the biggest like Cannons of all they’re two of the most natural throwers of the football like of all time it’s not even close Rogers is a better natural like flicker of the football to be able to get it to where it needs to go Favre could do it for sure and was the guy Favre to me will always be a bigger Legend I love Aaron for me this is like I can’t even decide CU one shape my whole life growing up and then when I get to the NFL and you turn on film and you watch what the they were doing and what him and Devonte did like different man like what a like me and Mike had that bond in college to where you go like wink and he so rout and it’s like point and it’s like an option route too that we’re not even speaking about it’s just like an unspoken Bond so like so hard from a legend perspective it’s it’s farre from a football player perspective of like natural flicker of the ball and like like just that guy with ball placement what he did with like the back shoulder game and these routes and this [ __ ] is so like legendary from a detail standpoint yeah yes he changed it farv did that but like Favre was like even more elusive than Rogers like he could he had like you know he had like this back then like he had his Wrangler jeans on yeah I mean that [ __ ] he was a dog though he was a true first Gunslinger and okay so it’s far because I’ll always ride and always choose the guy who was a dog in life who like figured it out yeah and like Rogers is not is not a dog like that like he’s a he’s a dude he’s not a dog that makes sense that makes total sense that hurt my heart it’s like comparing Vic and Lamar basically like Vic vers Lamar Vic’s the bigger Legend because of he was like going to break every single one of his records like that stood forever 20 years okay we’re not doing that today um anyway anyway we’re going to go to the next one keeping it cre K’s got six questions for you he’s goingon to ring them off let’s do all right first one if you could run one back would you start over at A&M or get drafted number one again I would start over I start over at ANM it’s like a clean clean ass slate if you could do one or the other start over at A&M or or be start in the draft again I’d start in the draft again just because I feel like I know what went wrong and I know what I need to like work on what happened I’m cool with what happened at A&M like hell yeah I regret the second year in the national championship and stuff but like you know I would have you know realized the opportunity of what I had to be a good NFL player and I feel like I could have been if I would have got my head out of my ass would you have gone to Cleveland still would you have made the call and yeah would you made that call and said take me yeah uh you did make that call not going to [ __ ] s you did make that call right I mean it was more they were texting me throughout the draft where it was like Hey be patient like we’re going to come and get you so like I had a weird feeling when that draft list came out like Browns were at like fourth like the fourth pick in the 26th just based off odds if one team has two picks in the first round it’s just double the chance that they might take you and they needed a quarterback like it was very known that they were going to take a quarterback and like you know Shannahan and me had a good relationship throughout the uh pre-draft stuff so like you know I knew it was a very high possibility but like was that my first choice no is it different when you got into the building sorry k for you when you got in the building with Shanahan you had that relationship you said was it did it change at all when you step foot in there I mean I got behind like I mentally got behind because I hadn’t taken snaps under Center and I my offens at A&M was like looking at DNS and linebackers we were not looking at rotation and safeties like I didn’t know the game in that kind of way I knew the game is like you know our air rate offense was not like it’s just completely different so like you know Long play calls and this and play fakes and under Center and Ste steps drops like I was behind before I ever even got started and then when the mental lacking came from like you know what’s in over front what’s in under what’s the what man his head up it’s a be front what are you talking about dude just snap the ball yeah know dude this is real though real and then like put me a shotgun and snap that [ __ ] make it vertical and tell them to stop drop out if the [ __ ] B like you can’t do that man derell Rivas is over there so you really only have one side of the field I’m like [ __ ] D I’m like I’m like I don’t know what you guys are talking about like yeah he’s that good like where we can’t even throw it over there what you mean yes that guy is better than our guy so we can’t go to that match up I’m like I don’t like it hey I know that feeling hey when you get five wide and you’re spreading them like that and you’re not taught that in college necessarily you got him I know and if you don’t have a Joe Thomas what the are you going to do with that amen bro I need a tight end to chip a tight end and a back slide and Chip and then they know that so when I run two jet protection I slide four that way they’re just gonna drop him bring two from the left you don’t you’re hot anymore [ __ ] is a hot my hot route inm was Mike go okay there’s a free rusher there’s a free rusher coming God hot hot fat that’s hot the reverse one of mik’s down there somewhere yeah same Mike is just doing this putting his head hand on this guy’s head like just little boy all right number two go yeah best game day atmosphere College on Saturday NFL on Su it’s College on Saturday by a billion 100% if you could be the number one QB or the top ranked golfer in in the world which would you choose top rank golfer part three or part five part five Drake or Lil Wayne damn can we Drake’s the best artist of all time bre let don’t answer the question hey this is the same Rogers ex way there would be no Drake without Little Wayne so like that’s the way I always view it Lil Wayne shaped my life for music forever six th grade just walking down the hallway with his headphones on just jamming like the dr’s to go I mean they’re they’re different right one is like a true true rapper not that Drake’s not Drake’s an artist but Drake is so musically talented as a whole he should have never asked that question he isn’t allowing you Tock hyping him up so your actual answer was but I mean yeah I mean I guess you don’t you and then being in Vegas um Super Bowl week blackjack or roulette bakarat oh figur that was coming bro I’ve never played Mo I’m a rule that and why do you like that over the other two the odds to touch the cards I think the odds are a little bit better I’ve been playing Blackjack for you know since I turned 21 um and just the decks and how many cards and like you can have your system in your way and sure you can get in a shoe but like to really win money it takes betting like aggressively and consistently and like ammo and I’m down over half a million Vegas already which is why I can come here on Super Bowl weekend and still stay for free forever come on now and like the Blackjack is just like so like it’s a swinging game like gambling is all swing so like bakarat you know I feel like I have more luck at it I feel like there’s a way to kind of read the flow of what the cards are and like there ain’t no flow when you’re getting 15s and 16s showing to you all day 13 14 15 16 and face and you’re out like that just to me isn’t any fun like I’d rather go headbutt that wall over there than do that [ __ ] like bck can go bad but like I enjoy the way that it goes to where you can pull another card and you’re like really in it until you’re not and like I have way less bad beats on the bakarat table than I do like on a blackjack table where they show three five and there’s you know eight card 20 seven card 21 is like once again headbutt the I just can’t do it anymore and like I’ll play roulette but my standing my roulette thing is probably like walking by a table and feeling it like putting my hand out and being like H it feels hot hot that’s red like I ain’t betting on red I’m only betting on black and then like my roulette is like if I have you know if I have chips that don’t equal a th it’ be like 900 bucks like to me in my mind that’s like it’s going to sound bad but because it’s not $1,000 chip it doesn’t mean anything to me it’s just individual chips so I’m going to go to the roulette table I’m going to put 500 on black I’m going to go find four numbers yeah and I’m gonna hit that for sure then if we double up on the 500 we get $1,000 chip then I feel like I’m rich yeah I love I couldn’t watch the Super Bowl until I went back to the rouette table yesterday for that exact he like 200 bucks he’s like what the am I do with 200 bucks the guy who can go get the chips and do the numbers and play the middle of the board I’ll play I’ll play like um one of the thirds so I’ll take first or second or like pick one of those and like you know double your money like that 12 to the do like the cross on the numbers so like I ain’t betting double zeros I’m not betting zero I’m not betting green ever like if it comes like that’s like buying Insurance on BL never never heard of her and if you have an a showing take even money and get the out of there if you 21 have to only thing I do that’s like a little bit different and I’ve hit it so many times that like I’m okay with the double as long as it’s not like over 5K is I’ll double hard 12 a lot depending on the feel and the flow of the table and how the shoe’s going and that eight and N for me pops a lot and like just the way I [ __ ] play like so you heard it here first if I got if I have $1,000 down I got a 12 and they have a six showing I’m no not a six seven or eight I won’t really do it if like if it’s a 1920 like if if it’s something like that if it’s a nine or or face showing but like definitely if they’re showing seven or eight and I have a to and I’m G to take one anyway I’ll double it and like you know it could be could be a seven and we get to 19 like we’re getting into some like you know and for me like mky Wat that’s the way that’s the way I play it and people look at me and they look at this and be like what a idiot but I’ve walked to that gaug too many times with the double on the heart 12 and I think I like it because when you do it the dealer looks at you like you’re crazy and she goes you sure I go oh yeah and then she goes double heart 12 yeah and then it’s like oh here we go and if the tin comes the tin comes I was going to bust anyway like it’s gambling like there is way to play it you do have to be strategic but like I’m not the square right I’m the real like I’m I’m The Rare Breed of like I like what I like and this is what it’s going to be and I’m going to do it this way and if you don’t like it we’ll talk to a wall I like that die on your own swore it’s it’s me and like you know this more than anybody it’s like a great place to and like at the end of the day it is you in the mirror versus you and like you’re battling yourself and that’s what it comes down to all these boys that are here with you right now will hopefully always be with you till the end of time but there’s going to be times where he’s busy and he’s gone and this and all these things are happening and when you’re sitting there and you walk into your bedroom and you look in the mirror like you only have you like you have your family and you have this and they can do things for you and they can help you and they can make your life easier they can’t live life for you yeah and like when it comes down to it it’s you and you and you have to find out what works for you and like that’s just what that’s just what it is that’s real I mean he said it best you versus you all the time at the end of the day I write that in my notebook every single day you you versus you 1% like all that is ingrained in my head it sounds cliche bro not we’re not squares over here so don’t play with me either so that’s all we got that’s Johnny Manzel The Legend um I appreciate the [ __ ] out of you that was one of the do conversations apprciate that’s all we got this week on the rush we love y’all talking about really him on God walk up in his light