Dave Flemming – It’s Too Early to Say The Season Is Over

Giants broadcast Dave Flemming joined The Roast to discuss the Giants very bad week which is slowly turning into a very bad season.

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fling all right fantastic it’s just I get the vibe right now that it it has a very 2015 2016 Tom Sula Chip Kelly vibe to where the Giants are at currently the audience has rejected the product and we’re asleep and we want change and that’s just the feeling I have I seen what my rival’s doing to me right now it it usurps everything that the Seahawks did to the Niners during that long run and that long drought it is it’s not even close the the the the Giants feel so many levels below the Dodgers it sucks Dave how you doing buddy I you know I love I love this team U and I’m sorry I don’t mean to put you in any bad spots I I love this I know you love this team it means so much to this community I’m having a really hard time with where the Giants are at right now and it’s because I’m contrasting them to clearly the class of baseball but it’s your rival and I I can’t remember the last time in my life the Giants felt so far away from the Dodgers on so many levels and I know they’re I understand a lot of those things but man like whoever you think the best giant is right now I don’t even know where they are on the pecking order of the Dodgers list of best players it’s just it’s tough I don’t even have a question I’m just throwing it to I’m sorry my I’m throwing a dead fish in your SK falling the sky’s not falling is it Dave I’m I’m happy for you to keep talking if you if you need to just keep talking I’m a good listener I I really am I can you can just keep going well Dave Dave Dave Jung Huli was like one one of the few guys I was really excited and you could see why they wanted to sign a center fielder Matos you know the young guy just he doesn’t take great routes in center field and then I’m watching in pregame Jorge Solair takes one off the head in BP like how does that even happen we feel cursed yeah you should I mean it’s been a bad week that’s for sure and I do apologize if I have to sort of use my golf voice I’m on the sixth hole at and I’ve got like I’ve got like eight players sort of around me so you know thing it’s a cool place to be but uh if I don’t sound as spirited as you do that’s probably the reason I’m practicing my golf voice for tomorrow um but uh yeah no I hear you and look I mean who are the most important players on the Giants for not just now but going forward you know Logan web for sure and Logan’s fine even though he hasn’t been quite web ask the last few starts he’s fine it happens uh Kyle Harrison very positive so far you know not perfect but but agreed I would say I would say very positive um and then I think Lee and Bailey and you know Lee now is probably if he’s not out for the year he’s out for a long time maybe out for the year and Bailey it’s scary like uh you got to get this figured out you can’t let this linger and derail what has a chance to be a very special career I mean you guys have been watching closely and you know that when he’s in there it’s a different team like it just every every everything is different about this team when Patrick Bailey is behind the plate and when he’s not you really notice and so that’s a bummer like on top of the sluggish start and whatever else having the two guys on the position player side who you sort of figure are the Cornerstone guys the most important guys for now and for the next many years be hurt and out sucks I mean it does and like you know look I I could sell water to a whale if I really wanted to trust me I believe me I’ve I’ve I’ve dressed things up I’m a married man I know how to lie without lying if that makes sense I can’t like I’m sitting here and like 2021 is like the crowning achievement of the Farhan era and I I’m I’m having a hard time finding something else to hang my hat on on what this organization has done well in the last 6 years can can you sell me on something that they’ve done well in the last six years that’s noteworthy yeah I think they very clearly have an excellent ability to identify and help develop pitching I think I think that’s from whether you take the short timers like gsman and rodon or the young guys like Kyle Harrison Logan Webb Camilo DelVal Ryan walk ER or the guys who are in the minor leagues who have made great progress who haven’t always been considered big- time Prospect now look the Giants pitching numbers right now overall don’t look good and if I were Farhan or anybody in that organ I’d be pissed about that right now they’re way better than they’re showing on the pitching side and whether that’s sloppiness lack of concentration just purely lack of execution uh whatever you want to come up with the reason for that I would be ticked off if I were them about the way the pitching has showed so far this year because it’s better than they’ve showed but I think that is a clear strength of this group and I think it’s going to be you know we’re going to see more of those young guys uh up in the big leagues whether Reggie Crawford’s going to be here pretty soon wizen Honda’s going to be a good big leager like those guys have nice Futures with this team that is a strength but I hear what you’re saying like you you’re six and you want that Gap to be narrowed and I do agree with you you watched last night there lots of reasons why uh it’s been a bad week for the Giants overall but it’s hard not to feel like the Gap is really really wide talking to Dave Fleming here aka Mr Rogers Live from the Vol Hall Golf Course uh for the PGA Championship and Dave now it’s great to hear your voice because I do think I I associate you with a calming presence yes the giant organization like when I hear your voice when you’re calling a game it relaxes me it makes me feel like I’m a part of the game Bob Melvin he is the leader of that team he is the manager of that team how do you feel he has been handling this first kind of major crisis of the Season as Giants manager um hard thing to evaluate I mean I think it’s always hard especially when you’re getting to know somebody their leadership style like we are like you know we’re we we don’t know Bob we’ve known Bob for a long time we know him personally but as a manager up close we don’t know him and so we’re still trying to figure that out I don’t think he’s I I don’t think he’s the reason that whatever’s happening now is happening I don’t uh I think Bob has the right mix of calm and hey this is a long season and I’ve been through this for 40 years in this game and I know the ES the flows he knows he he realizes that but he also I would think that my first impression of Bob has been that he’s edgier than I thought he was he’s a super competitive guy and takes it more personally than I thought he did like hiob is he’s he’s an edgy competitor and I don’t think I ever totally knew that about him and I say that as a compliment I think that’s a really good thing um so I’m still you know personally trying to get to know him but I wouldn’t I wouldn’t point to him as like you know have there been some moments with the bullpen like with every manager I yes but I there’s so many things that happen that whether we can’t say them on the air because a guy has gone into the office before the game and said they can’t pitch me uh you know there are things that happen behind the scenes that the manager can’t ever talk about that make him look bad and he’s often just gota bite the bullet on a lot of that stuff and so I I I think Bob’s fine and he’s a good leader for this franchise and he cares deeply about the Giants he really wants this to work but he right now understands the issues that are going on with this team and he’s getting a little crankier by the day that they’re not fixing at least the stuff that they can control yeah Dave let me let me get some optimism out here like just I have been refreshed to see young guys playing and and they’re going to make mistakes like Casey SCH hasn’t had a lot of great at bats it was great to see him have that that walkoff the other day but defensively like you could see the guy’s spectacular with that arm and his range even going to his left or his right Ramos has been a jolt misplayed a ball in left field yesterday on the show hey okay that happens like he’s a young player Tyler FZ Shield has shown some strengths gets picked off the other day you know pinch running that happens like I I get it Matos couple of poor routes not communicating in center field but I’m seing him hit that three-run home run on on the breaking ball against Yamamoto like that was encouraging to me I want to see these young guys I I want to see them bite the bullet and if they have to bottom out a little then so be it do you think that will be their organizational philosophy or are they going to when these older guys start getting healthier are they going to you know send these young guys down what what what’s your feel on that it’s too ear I mean I think it’s too early to decide that the season is over and you’re just going to play the young guy so I I I don’t think when conforto is healthy he’s going back in the lineup when Ahmed is healthy he’s going back in the lineup now that might that could change you know ahmed’s one where he might not get everyday playing time like he was if Casey shows that his advat are getting better I mean I think Schmidt you you Circle him I think it’s a good point Casey’s got special defensive ability more and more I’m becoming convinced he can be a big league short stop as opposed to just a third baseman which to me really changes sort of the long-term Outlook of Casey the the bar if you can be a good short stop the bar offensively is lowered and so I still think he’s got a lot of upside offensively he’s got a lot of natural ability uh Casey’s an interesting one to watch Elliot Ramos is an interesting one like some of these guys it takes a little longer and if Ramos has figured it out he’s got physical ability like he has Giants are desperate for come some of the power and explosion that he has and it doesn’t mean home run power necessarily but just sort of the fast twitch athlete stuff that Ramos brings so you know those two guys I think have the best chance of all of them you maybe Blake Sable too I mean Blake look for all I say about Bailey and bayy is such a high bar but Blake has gotten so much better that I I think you can dream about sable being your long term backup catcher second catcher you you know swing guy maybe even a third catcher because he can play left field and do some other things like I don’t want to dismiss Blake Sable because I think he’s given good at bats these days I I like Blake um so that’s kind of a long way of saying it’s too early for them to say we’re turning it over to the kids it’s a development year there’s too much baseball to be played with the extra playoff spots they’re not out of it but here’s the thing the the are here they’re going on this road trip then they come back and the Phillies and the Yankees are coming to town and if they can’t get their act together and play better there the decision is going to be made for them by either the end of this month or the middle of June if they can’t play better then they’re in trouble so I I I think that’s their philosophy and if it gets to that point then they will turn it over to some of these young guys and just see what they have they don’t that’s not their Preference they still think they can make the playoffs Blake Snell scheduled to have one more Rehab start before rejoining this rotation how much of a boost is it going to be for this Giants team to get Snell back obviously struggled when he was up here but the staff itself has been struggling right now whether it’s Logan webbon whether it’s Kyle Harrison at times Keat win yesterday he had the cramps hopefully it’s just a cramp he’s going mror on that forearm today but how much of a boost is Blake Snell going to be with this rotation when he comes back Dave big time Big Time I mean what’s the what have they done won one game yeah in that spot you know since the beginning of the year like I don’t know what the exact record is 1 and seven or something like that when that turn comes around uh you know they need him bad like and I didn’t ENT to you know part of that is some of the other depth where you know Tristan Beck and Alex Cobb not being ready by now that you know I think that’s thrown things off a little bit that shouldn’t be an excuse but I do think I thought they were deeper than this and I didn’t anticipate that spot being so problematic without him so yeah they need him back and they need him they don’t need him perfect yet they need him close to what they know he can bring and it was encouraging the other day just watching him and everybody said even in the bullpen a couple days before that it looked like Blake Snell it was crisp it was firm it was decisive it looked healthy so my hopes are high that when we do see him on the next road trip hopefully then it’s going to look like Blake snow you know Dave I I want to ask you one baseball question on the way out the door Dave Fleming with us uh Giants broadcaster the best at Valhalla right now ready for the PGA Championship um this is a baseball question I it my head explodes when I see Camilo Duval come in to tie ball games in the ninth inning I like my closer coming in with a lead that’s just me I I I the repetition and routine are so important for these guys it just it frustrates me the other night and I I know there’s things we don’t know but he comes in it’s the bottom of the order it’s the ninth inning of a tie ball game and eight pitches and then he doesn’t go back out there for the 10 now I know they had the righty Lefty thing going on cuz you were facing multiple lefties and you but like I just I will not accept that and I wanted to know what the reasoning was on why dval a came out of the game in the 10th inning and like why they continue to do this they’ve done this for multiple years I know baseball people do why do we keep throwing the closer into a tie ball game in the ninth inning well when you’re at home that you know you’re never once it’s tied going to the ninth at home never going to have a save situation I know you know that I know you know that but these closers are motivated by save situations they are so you get more of a green light from the players themselves more buyin from them in that scenario where they know they’re never going to have a save chance uh that’s part of it uh that shouldn’t be the ultimate motivator but you know for a lot of these guys it is they look at that statline they look at the save number that’s what motivates them so you acknowledge that and say okay uh we’re going to try to do our best to make this guy feel as good as he can about how he’s doing and that that might be a small part of it so I think that’s one I think though my counter would be in the scenario that you just laid out the other night like when it’s the bottom of the order now look the bottom of the order has hurt the Giants in these two games yeah so it’s not like you know Bob Melvin part of it maybe he’s watching that going well why are we keep letting Gavin Lux beat us over and over again um Tiki Hernandez you know right that’s very very frustrating like to me that’s the worst part about these two games otani’s going to get you Betts is going to get you Freddy Freeman’s going to get you they’re good don’t let the other guys and the Giants are better than that and that would really make me frustrated if I were in that clubhouse that that’s been a part of the story of these two games so the scenario where I would kind of agree with you and say is the one that played out the other night like do we have somebody that can go get 789 and save Camilo we need him for the big boys cuz yeah you know one reason why the Giants have been really good in Extra Innings over the last couple years with the new rules is camoo like he is he is the dream of the guy you have in a strikeout scenario or a ground ball scenario and that’s he’s a big Advantage when you get to Extra Innings and they didn’t have that Advantage the other night and it cost him it did totally especially when you start with the inherited runner on second base you need a strikeout popup in that situation so anyway I don’t mean I don’t mean to interrupt you but I’ll tell you the other thing that frustrated me I I haven’t talked to Taylor Rogers I don’t know that he was necessarily doing this but it it looked like he was kind of pitching around Freddy Freeman and and I think with when you get your own automatic Runner the thing that beats you in those games is the multiple run Innings yes like the the one run inning doesn’t usually beat you or you should you should feel confident that that we’re not going to let that beat us and that makes me mad like don’t don’t set up the possibility of a bigger inning by being cute there when you’re the home team now there are scenarios where you have to be it’s do or die but that’s not one of them and that I just think you have to have a mindset of being on the attack Big Time totally when you when you’re going to get your own extra runner at second you you can’t let a big inning happen because then you that’s how you lose those game 100% Dave just next week we’ll talk about Golf and Rory at Valhalla 10 years later and all that tiger with the goatee Scotty sheffler all that have a great week I’ll be listening to you I miss you pal and I know we’re both hurting with these Giants right now thanks for coming on here thanks Dave I I I was just walking with Zat Taurus and he was he was he was crying on my shoulder like oh my God what’s going on so even people out here are thinking about him oh well you’re the best buddy have a great weekend we’ll talk to you next week all right great yep Dave Fleming Giants broadcast going to be on ESPN for the PGA Championship all weekend will alator