🏆 Prepare for a pigeon racing extravaganza in Episode 5 as we uncover the extraordinary legacy of Mark Kitchenbrand, part of South Africa’s oldest active racing pigeon family since 1907! Mark, along with his father and brothers, boasts over 500 victories, establishing “Kitchenbrand’s Loft – Club 500” as an unparalleled force in pigeon racing.
🌟 Mark’s journey is adorned with triumphs, including dominating the TRPF Single Bird to-Count Champion Points Averages in 2007 and 2009. Notably, their pigeons have clinched prestigious titles, with one crowned the Gold Medal Winner for Best Short Distance Bird in South Africa, triumphing over 200,000 competitors!
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y welcome Mo kitchen R to our podcast and talk to P um it’s an honor to have you your M because you’ve set records in the F game that unheard of locally and internationally and uh my opinion is you you Chang the whole landscape of fion racing genetics that you brought in the systems that you brought in which we’re going to drag out of you now and um so for us to have you years of honor and um we sit back relax and enjoy the podcast and and uh you can start off maybe by telling us how you got into pigeons because you come from a famous pigeon family but strangely enough you were the one that wasn’t the pigeon you know so take it from there it’s an interesting story R thank you for inviting iate pigon Rising as you said come to our family and my two great grandfathers going each of second Lord they actually managed the pigeon LOF so they used to they used to move the pigeon Loft wooden rollers and give the lieutenants two pigeons and the lieutenants would go out release back to the L so obviously the Pion was a Target but they used to move the lots apparently up to 25 kill a day and obviously being desert weren other obviously see the and so I grew up my dad my dad who pons for 1966 and a lot of guys said to me that yes Mar you spent so much in P but what they forget is my dad in 1966 bought four p from their St he paid 600 at the time which was massive money and I mean just for the guys don’t know was was a super super and my dad was staying in in the free state of in Virginia that’s where he started from so from 1966 I mean there are photos where Billy sits in the pigeon bars as a baby you know the are walking around I literally grew up you know in the P but but speaking to your your brothers and you were never really a no what happened was my my dad my D I was I was really nauy guy so very active back then if you you were active you were naughty you know today they give you R things like that you know so I was so active and my dad had me cleaning the P because I had to clean those pigon dos and I got so many hidings because of the pigon Dos I hat did it I just didn’t to yeah so when I was 18 I moved out and went and St stable my sister I knew that was the end of my pigeon teaming career and it used to affect my nose you know I used to get you know block nose whatever from all the dust and things I can remember one one small story my dad had a red hand and uh it was they had a red race red H race and and this had already won and the week that she had to participate she was on eggs and I was cleaning the lot so I gripped her off the off the nest to release her and I held on to the tail and and so she was tailess and that I was whack my dad I destroyed all of these ches so I hated the I literally hated I had wild birds I had I had wild with a I think must feathers yeah small you know I canaries yellow eyes kingu you know still so I had a huge open I must have had 300 species in there so that was my love I still had PS but I didn’t like the pi and as The Story Goes you know when I started my business you know my dad came to work with me first and then later Billy and then Kevin and so we would end up in the boardroom and for a half an hour we started talking where did you to how you what did you do and yeah and I literally said there one day to them I said listen I want to fly pigeons I mean it looked like the guys were going to fall over backwards and they like and and I’ll never forget I think it was Kevin that said with Mark you’ll never become a pig because you can’t get up in the morning I was a I’m a night if you look at my phone you know I’m online at 1:00 in the you I really have night person and I’m better in the day and the mornings are back so for that reason he said you will never pigeon F be up early in the morning we need to take your birds out do your thing and I said boys but I want to fly and they went to morabe prison and there was a guy there flying pigeons and they bought me this pigeon I don’t want to like you it was yellow and it had you know still had the DS and the floors had gaps I mean you can’t believe the loot that they B was natural but what I think what I think is they B me the because they thought this guy’s going to last for six months and pack it up you know so let’s buy him the cheapest Lo we can get and me being very competitive when I always played sport I love cricket and I love tennis and I love playing golf and all of these things um when you have that competitiveness in you you know Athletics and whatever you you you strive to win you want to be the best and so yeah and I mean that lost I think at the time was 10 me long with the loft there was some of my dad’s old blood out of the face he I had of the old blood and then I I went through to Petoria and I bought myself I ate this clo so my daugh gave up and there were Birds sitting on the roof and I said to what’s going happen with these they said he sold them come back I didn’t catch them I take so I caught some of them and those were my old you my olds were the ones from from the the from ones and then D was a very good P remember very very underr um he had out of 1801 yeah mon stuff and and he B me 30 babies and so I started the first season with 30 bers and these old and I went to never forget I went to the first AGM meeting which is nor April and uh at that stage a very famous Peter was chairman and was flying there a couple of very good Pepsi Peters still flying there you know in 1948 he told me the story he brought in the very first young and why they called him Pepsi he was the he was the managing director of Pepsi Cola in South Africa so he went to BS when he brought the back and um so my very first season I walk into this when i s to the go for all intense purposes I’m a I don’t really I don’t even know what a promise but used to come through and I used to toss the birds and then you know he would say put the top 20 25 in one L come and pick and actually write them for MEP because I don’t have a clue so my very first season I said to these guys I’m aous you need to help me and those years we still had the ring so they Ed ring a lot of guys had the hand clocks only one or two guys had theual Els and what year what year was this 2004 so so for all intense purpose the very first year was just learning seeing what God’s doing but if you’ve got a competitive Ed you know you want to win and so the very first race I took in um was I never those and the rest of us outside and I clocked my birs I went I got my clock in and Peter Ramsey came out of the out of the room and he looked at me he said novice noice my ass and so I physically won the very first race I participate I took first second and third and I think when that happened it was the end of the G then I Was Bitten then I was like this is what I want this is what and I mean I literally where I stayed in I just want to interrupt you that was the that was a very strong that was a very strong and at that stage you know I bought a house and no so my house my property was 2,000 s the house was 1,600 iide there was no place for the so I looked over the back wall and I so this gu got a mess of Y so I went around the block it’s funny it’s like a you know like a circle went and I knocked in his door and guy name was NE said this what do you do she to cut the grass and takes me two days so I said but before I buy the piece of Y you know that I can put up a w yeah so he looked at him he said so what will you offer me I said 60 Grand sit so two days later I put up the wall but as I’m putting up the wall I look down next to his house I see there’s a gap so I said to him listen can I put a pipe hand on I’ll pay you another C and he said done so I put a pip because where my house was if I had to carry those so now I could drive in onto the lawn and physically basket the birds and then go so so that’s what it started and I mean that Lo was 10 m when I looked again it was 22 M long and I built on built on and then I buil a stock L and then so that was 2004 I think I I ended up F or what in the club but I mean it was literally with all rounds even the Birds I got from d i I had to pin them you know they were too big so so I had to home them and whatever and I must say you know I one of one of the cops that I got from d704 he actually he was a triple winner for me and he actually ended up in the car I was F in the car car race now and that race I’ll never forget because Kevin played a prank on me you know I always used to say kin he gave me 10 P I said Kevin when you clock phone me and I can just make sure that I’m so any Cas so the carac with yeah so Kevin phones me he says I’ve cled but he doesn’t say anything he just say I’ve CL and 10 minutes 15 minutes I I’m upset and this cop comes from the airport The Landing board and I clock it you know and so I so I says give clock he says to me don’t of clo I said why CL so it was like it was such a and and that Co got me f in the for first prize one I ever won W 4,000 um in that race that time the supp and so 3704 3727 3728 I mean my history with regards to numbers you can ask me numbers I’ll tell you this is this number that number I mean the first the next year I got a phone call from my dad he was flying in in he was p in Alberton he said to me uh son his name was T yes yeah and J and what happened was J he had just bought a house put a Lo and Y breing 20 babies now mean what do you breed for your son you breed best so I went and I bought the 20 babies brought them home HED them and that year was my very first Federal uh 12712 was a cop that J bre that I then bought from him and you know broke him in and he won the FED he won the yeah won the F that was my first F and that was my second year in competing but he in my second year I won the club in in in K the third year I the third year I was again I want Captain and then I but I really I ended up that just none none of the import nothing those nothing it was just local obviously given them bread for yes CU they had time when I the first time there was no time you know so so they bread for me my dad and whatever and I’ve got from I mean from of all 20 other I bought the 20 babies home them and race to them and I want the averages and second the following year now I was really I already started learning you know this and that whatever you I could already see what is and the C was big for me that’s and that’s a c and you know Russell the biggest thing about racing pre I think this is the difference between me and Kevin and Billy and is that they were passionate about the game but they were conditioned conditioning I’ll explain to you I with and I yeah so let me explain let me explain conditioning so so I get a bowl of porage in the morning my grandmother teaches me I SM the but and I sprinkle the sugar and I put the porridge in the middle your grandmother teaches you you put the porridge you push the but in the middle and you throw the sugar after 30 years who’s right and who’s wrong I’m not going to tell you your grandmother’s wrong and vice versa what I mean conditioning they were told by the few previous generation generation before that how to fly p and so they stick to what they know I come in as an unknown and I question everything I question but why do you toss like this why why must the like this why do your feed like that and that was the difference and the other difference is I was you you started off like you didn’t no I started off like that I realized but you know I would say to them I ask them question why do you give a reading mix to to the stop why do you give buies to stop why do you give sunflower you know what’s the reason you know and so I think the questioning side took my game to a different level I mean you you can’t argue you you’ve learned from your previous sessions and you appli it okay I came in fresh and I took a business mentality so I went and I said you know if I’ve got a business I need a good product I need I need good marketing I need good St Stu I need good lighting you understand um that makes you successful in a business so I went to the pigeons and I said what are the main factors in the pigeon game number one pigeons number two your food number three your your your medication number four your water source and number five is your Loft and your management and everything regarding so I took a business starts and I said this is a business I’m running a business and I need not listen to what other people have said you know what I’m saying yes there somebody you listen I need to go and investigate all five of these things okay to become a champion because Russell whether you family or not you know B and Kevin taught me to a certain point when I started beating that teaching stopped you know and and they would help me less if I to that day that’s why being a hungry person to succeed I went aboad I went overseas I went and found out what I needed to find out about those five catties now we were talking earlier about the B I’ll never forget when when obviously my first fed when was not bre so the next year I go back I says listen you know I want to buy uh you know some babies again and said no problem whatever and there was two white CLS I so i s you know I’m not going to look into everything just write down 10 things for that you believe are critical and I’ll never forget he stood against the wall with his foot up against the wall and had a piece of paper he stood still then he wrote another Point must have Tak five he gave you the piece of paper and I looked at the paper and it said excellent p number one number two excellent number three excellent all 10 excellent and then I realized that you know what 90% of racism it’s not is the pigeon ins okay the rest so what so so what do you think um in broad spectrum everything else we call it management whether it be training medic housing all of that you say 19 believe 19% 10% 10% because you can you can you cannot make a donkey one but at the same time you can’t make a sick thorough so so those two things are critical you know genetics plays a massive role so in your performance the other day I asked you question so just getting on to that gen which a lot of lot of guys disagree and some agree and then I ask you a question I’m ask you again now um regarding in yes your opinion regarding that I just just answer why you answer me then regarding the chromes so have 64 SES and if you go look at the arguably the best 9,000 pons and then later 37,000 kons and they put into Stu and everything that he made was super stars now if you go look at the P was a full brother system okay now I’ve done that and Kevin has also done that many times so I’ll have a full brother and sister what I’ll make sure is that the will have let’s say pkin eye and a white eye will be a very variance in our and I’ll put them together so Al CL when I visited him he’s got a family that’s now 55 years old so what a will do is he’s got his family and he’ll beat babies for the race then what he’ll do is he’ll Buy in specific blood so you know in my case I went with SED MC der I went and I bought the five best pigeons you know the GPU whatever I’ll take those five ends make them to my C okay Beed B now we have a couple of winners in the race I take those winners back to the stock back to my family the fault that people make is they bring in a bird let’s say they bring a okay bloodline or bloodline and now now and they cross it to their family and it works then they going buy more from that gu and eventually you’ve lost your family you’ve lost your identity so the key is to keep your blood so just explain it to you say you say you like you did with you bought the yes you brought them in you made them yes what did you do with those Afters so so now I race with them the babies yeah I race the babies for the season second season if if they didn’t work then obviously our if they work keep them for another season and I breed and then I sell they don’t because it’s not my blood I wanted the the cross genetics come to the door I did the same with you on Hamilton I the fist but I go by the combine I go and buy you know the FED winess he had m473 you know four wi so I buy that and I bring them to my O3 L and I breed R back to my give us because that’s become a famous famous name say bloodline give us a little bit so so Kevin invites me to Tom Goodings in so again now you talking 2007 started 2004 I don’t know much I I really don’t know anything about stock BS and you know there’s those bries outside yes I was I was with Rand B whatever and so I had the catalog and I’m reading and I and I check this bird 1796 and I look at his pige and I’ve heard about the and about walk all of these very similar to yeah so so I walk in and I this but you literally held him like this you know and I think for that reason nobody B on me I bought him for 400 bucks and but you know had a couple of brand news whatever caring I didn’t even have a b i put whole box they in the boot now about 6 months before that Jeff Mortimer my dad PR good i r Jeff mortim as one of the best fanciest short middle distance in the country he’s an absolute Superstar what people don’t realize he could have won the UN a a couple of but it’s not if there’s an overnight he sits out so even if he’s leading the averages he sits out he do doesn’t now my dad introduced me to and and his bloodline was around the mtim the mor was B about 30 minutes to that was the mor so and he had read a bloodline around that on the one side there were bards which which what happened was Jeff was a banker and this one guy b birds in and when they got to the airport he couldn’t play I actually know where those they St I’m not I’m not sure but in any case the name of that Bush was called great that’s 100% he bought these bush with his guy and he then took Mor and and and he started breeding him had unbelievable result now if anybody talks about the mor I mean Jeff said to me Tom Lo once that the mor outs because what happened is the mortim m got to Jeff for the following reason only at that St he’s a 1997 16 uh 16929 okay and uh the M of was expensive okay okay toml two he gave Jeff one he’s in the front he one in the back and so the very first time they were tossing or whatever mtim FW away from back and the very first race he he took part and he got a third and the next race he got a fourth and then he came back with the pp and so Jeff found Tom and said listen this is what happened to this pu he’s not going to win the so Tom said I’ll come fetch him because six months later him again you know your PO is here so he said man just bre with it that’s when the winner the win and then at one stage Tom actually came L for two years and he bred with him and he sold babies and and one of the famous babies so was to and a couple of of and so there was many womn so I went to Jeff and I bought this entire stock off 33 P including the mtim but he was old by then 97 and what happened is he he gave me a little blue egg 18 18631 and he said to me 16831 he gave me this in he said Mark this is all you’re paying for the rest of the are giv it’s obvious like huge high for this and so I took a home now I buy this now I’m I’m driving home yeah now I’m driving home I’m sking who am I going to pay this car and all I can think of is this blue so I drive home without the knowledge open the gate slip in stock clck to the back I grab the end in the box and I drive so I get sing Look I think he W the union AES in 77 still those days it was only seven races so any so we threw them in there and there was literally only time read six and I said I’ll take four you take that’s the deal every year you can keep so we read the six so the very first one was 613 triple1 6134 he F the second 6 triple2 wi uh 14553 triple win 14554 winner um what was the last one but any the six1 was also 614 14 so out of I mean six babies five winners you know and what what what I like is 613 won the short distance he won he won that was the very first fed that I literally saw the cck the whole week he was messing around I scratched the bird dead and I wrote him in and it was one fed he W for me that same season from Smithfield he got me a second fed first cup second fed and the same season from L first Club eight so short middle long and so now this3 C but but it is so funny3 Tom good Tom good C 1796 and lat years I actually when I was going through the FED book The Fed journals I mean he’s in 03 in 04 Tom Gooding 1795 one in the union so you know I didn’t knew that and so I just picked it up because of the numbers I remember num and so from there the following year obviously Uncle bre for me and he BR me this C 1943 it’s a white life book as part of our deal and he read himself a book I think it’s 48 57 is number7 and he put his C to stop now all of a sudden he saw what was happening racy and so he made me the white spot and at that stage I just moved from 51 to 44 my locks on this side of the house I had I had a sto that land about 12 M me the lock was very close to the B so so when the wind blows certain way they actually come down and land in the far end and they have to walk or they if it’s the other way the land of this side that and this cck will never forget tossing him would on the Pi Pi I looked at him and I said I’m I’m going to any Cas season time it now on record that talk you me a first fit a second f a second F third fit fourth fit and a 14th F he should have won all all of those he literally would Dro walk now you know a you got nervous so walk slowly with it and then he the FED with 1 second or 3 seconds or 4 seconds he literally could be six fed and he was the best bird in the FED that year and I took that c to the stock so that’s my second foundation so I had o cup and then I had this white FL and his mother was still a baby out of maryan from stus Willis so and I understood that that was I understand so the mother was a white like which is maryan crossed in with the son which the white and so now I had two cck in the meantime you know I went to Sun one morning that’s where I wanted to go from now so so from then you got all these eracing well but it’s all local stuff and then what made you decide to first of all spend a lot of money on on good Birds but wasn’t worth it and then and then why did you go do why did you go why did you go about so so me and went to go andev and you remember that Thomas was a massive event a lot of people a lot of people actually bought their time share for that specific so all everybody there was anybody was there and we had a lot of international entrance from Germany and all over over the world and I literally went in the very first auction I attended I saw this Japanese guy or Chinese guy buying everything you know that was the first first exposure and he would literally Buy number one number two number three number four and so the second year I arriv and I said toight we were sitting at breakfast it wasn’t a wasn’t a plan thing sitting at breakfast I said to I said mean why don’t we buy the first 10 and she looked at me she said why I said because you know what these pictures okay or the K of the K because I had a discussion with zandi the one day and zandi opened my eyes to something Z said to me and bless his soul he said to me he said Mom I can I could the through certain point I can’t over prepare them because if I over prepare them I’m going to get 100 pigeons together on the final if 100 land together who’s the my race is over I need two Gap one Gap so knowing that all the birds are underprepared if I can say that the cream has to come up to the top of the day you know that’s the thing is if I if I and I saw this when you go to a top to and you say to him s me your click P he won’t sell it you he’ll sell you the brother all or the sister all you understand yeah and that was my problem with P fan you could never buy the best but at Sun City it’s fair game whoever birs the highest takes takes the bir how simple it is so in 2007 literally at breakfast morning before I know buy the AL although even doing what you did I mean let still a gamble make visons it’s a gamble it’s a massive gamble okay I found my bank manager and I said to her listen how much do I have in my B and she said you put 1.2 million you know which I had an access point and so that day I spent 1.15 something and I bought number one number two number three number four was Dean W which was l i buy that let me buy number five number six and number seven I bought and then I bought 1 can remember those are the ones I so included in that was obviously of classes Conan a very famous then sh was second Dr field was third ran action SM zand which six and Supergirl which ended up to be a boy he was you know seventh so and then I bought a Lithuanian which he was 17th and so now I bought these birds and obviously there was already I mean dollar sou Africa was talking about this Market buy these spending money and he mad all these things and I literally took the m and um and what I did is because one was was a hen and two was a I might and three was a hen and four was five was a I might and and obviously zand I made it to one of my lives because I hadn’t had dir that so I bought those and I made going to get to that that’s a big part of so so now I buy these goods and um I made them together now remember something you’re buying them first week in February now most people have F breeding by so I might them up and I a really light my wife we come sit with me outside and uh you know you get those babies are cuz she buy her in February you’re now breeding l l breads she would come outside and she she would identify them and I say to her what do you see tell show me what are you seeing no they look pretty they look nice meanwhile you know she was picking them out all my Internationals I just couldn’t understand it so the one day Isa calls me he says boss come look here yes and my birds are running over the roofs he say now don’t look there look up so I look up and I see these Ki cork screen cork screen so I say to him get the strippers let’s get these other birds down we get them down we get them in the Loft and you will not believe me Russell those 40 that were training up there with the Internationals so they’re just different whether it’s the aack development or whatever they were just literally different they could fly an altitude that our Birds couldn’t and I believe historically what’s happened is the young sons all the birds that we brought in you know we kept them we keep in into breeding inter or whatever you and we started breeding birds that are that aren’t at the standard although we putting window with wi whatever you it’s it’s a a family of I hear what you say there but but I’m just going to throw a little bit of a spanner in the works there so and the only God that’s done it is you if you go if you look at all the other guys and I’m going to name them and and you’ll agree with me that they maintain the highest level with the old birds so I on uh Aus even a Tom lock uh a b kitchen bread you’re dead yeah um given himself um Chris Smith and I can go on I can go on naming and small I can go on naming guys that maintain the highest level of competition with local birds until you came along yeah look what I want to say to you and and I I just want to ask you this question before you carry on down do you think it was because you bought the top birds at that at that sity million dollar or what do you what do you think it was so so let me explain it to you this way you know when I was in Kempton MH there were 30 fancies in the club all three of us are are tossing like this training like that eating like that whatever the end of the year there still a champion you understand because we’re alling the same we got the same Birds we got the same bloodline now somebody moves in and all of a sudden he’s flying International birds feeding differently tossing differently whatever and now I win 18 races or 20 races and the Doby take the first seven and what have you now everybody shakes and says what now you know when when I move to Alberton and I’ll never forget this because it’s a fact U you know me and my wife went to the first AGM and one of the ladies said to my wife you know you were a big fish in a small dam you’re now a small fish in a big Dam because this is Albert which I wouldn’t disagree with because at that stage and as you all know Alberton had the name of little B exactly because all top fces lived in in in in Alberton my very first race I flew there uh I put seven in the 12 in the in the very first race and and my wife subsequently walked in again in the club and said yes this little fish is swimming you know you know ow me she doesn’t keep quiet so the point is if everybody’s doing the same thing there will still be a champion but when somebody comes with disruptive engineering IU can put it that way all of a sudden there’s a new standard and guys wake up you know and say you know never forget what whaton said to me when I was flying in kton he said to him Mark understand we in kton we’re flying in the FED okay we’ve never been in the top 30 in the fed and it’s because of where we stay you know the birds comeing in the front and they go around this way this way you’ll never the second season I was there I ended up six and H ended up I think 10th or 12th and so I said to M What Now where’s your argument now so it’s all about if you have the same standard you know you mentioned Kevin Kevin’s results have improved hugely I mean Kevin bought a round of Internationals from here which he integrated into his family I mean you know Billy he bought cars SP he bought also I him out of the o3s whatever you it improved his game and I think what happened was after my results a lot of guys went and relooked at the board and said you know I need to get into next Mary Rasmus is another example he bought Birds International birds from me and he integrated him into his Loft and I mean that that that the the second season in Woodfield I think he won 10 or 13 races out of the international so so all of a sudden you get a guy that comes and he disrupts everything and then everybody else says what must I do what must I do you know uh this recipe that he’s doing is working and and so everybody like lifted the game lifted the game and and we created a new I think a new breed of pigeon F I mean you go look up and until today what people are spending on buying pigeons on different websites and what they I mean you say to yourself you know when are they going to stop buying but they just keep on buying keep on buying and the prices keep on going up I think that’s the one thing that I changed yes Roland had a huge auction in ’98 and there was a lot of money involved and there were other auctions but I think from the time that I brought and I bought the most expensive birds and I raised the pricing because when I bought birdie I said to myself listen you know if you own a Ferrari you don’t want your neighbor also to have one and the guy across the street also have one and the guy down the block also one so I said boys if you want to buy a birdie baby you’re going to pay 100,000 finishing club and you know what happened is they bought them so just just just go back a little bit before you bought her and why you B and okay so so the first that was another year country so so the first year I obviously bought us first uh 47 yeah and and obviously I bre with him and immediately I got results with them um then the second year obviously was Birdie the year of Birdie and and this bird just flew away from everything and anything I mean she literally landed in the hot spots she had landed three times with the winning bird so she could have won three bies in the final she ended up at 10th and I want to say what a lot of people don’t know she only had eight flights I mean just think of that and and the bird there because I he a lot of guys comparing other oneof races to birds that might be as good as birdie but the competition level that she was against and the birdies that she was flying against was you know different level I’m not I’m not a journalist in pons or whatever but some of the top journalists that I know that have spoken about booty said to me she had the highest coefficient of any bird in any single bird LOF at the time yeah so she was just special and when I looked at and I said to myself okay what made it so special I think the following number one is it’s genetics number two all birdy’s children don’t get sick now if you think about birdie if you performed from the first toss until the last St she won the Hotpot averages she won the grand averages she won everything okay and if you look at her she was she was always in the front you know I think the further she was out except the last race was was like five or six minutes from the first bird going over the track and you know in the beginning of the training you know 2,000 Birds arrived together they turn and turn but she was still Keen to get into the Loft she had that keenness so she obviously never got sick through the whole process to be able to perform like that and I look at it and I say to myself when I breed with her her babies were so healthy and their babies were so healthy you know they in my loft they never got sick and I also realized that the oron classes you know the oron classes it’s as if the immune system was higher or better yeah you know there are seven differences between the best pigeons in the world and the rest seven and and this I was taught number one the best birds in the world have got more feathers now if you think of a bird and you think of a bird’s tail that comes up go have a look how thick the feather is the feathers are of that bird the back we call it the back Birds got to have a solid back with one feather you will see that that Bird’s actually got more feathers okay and because they’ve got more feathers they are more streamlined in other words they smoother and you handle you I mean you’ve been to guys’s Lofts and you handle the bird and that Bird’s Feathering is just in a different league and and and then you ask the guy so what do the bird do know a triple winner a double winner whatever so so the first difference is they’ve got more feathers and that’s genetic secondly the Feathering is smoother so they cut the air it’s got to do with aerodynamics the third thing which I realized was is that some birds and you can think of your own L when they land after 10 hours and 12 hours within minutes they fly to the purch it looks like they’ be nowhere the next morning they actually handle better okay they recover quickly and that’s got to do with their genetic profile with their chromosomes with the protein levels within their body body they actually recover quicker their muscle structure recovers quicker and That’s genetics okay and I look like a bird like azeret you know when I breed with her her babies literally you know they fly eight or nine or 10 hours on the wi land and then they look like they’ve been nowhere you know the next morning you handle them they they blown they’re beautiful and you just want to send them back so that’s the next one the following the fourth one is that the best birds in the world have got bloated muscles a lot of the old pigeons the the the young son and those have got what we call elongated muscles now if you look at the Bas PGE if you had bir and and remember I had the privilege I $5 million winners in my but I actually had $13 million birdy mot because you know sh4 landed with Constantine J action landed with the winner and so to me she’s a winner you know uh you know um uh hardi krugger bird was third but three got together so to to me one fine day they they’re all winners I 13 winners and when you handle those birds the whole time you realize but hold on the weight is towards the front you know there’s there’s more muscle in the front do you understand it’s as if they they’re broader in the front and I if I can just stop the because I’ve also been around you know I’ve been to Germany and Belgium and Holland and I’ve handled a lot of goods and I’ve been to the top LS yeah and so I just want you to correct me if I’m wrong the the the the more modern pigeon especially now the new crazies the kles and the best Kittles they feel like you’re saying now more bulkier towards the front correct but do you think they’re going to race as well as as our South African birds our good South African bird top South African birds on the distance because these are these birds are all um classified as world class printers yes so I’m going to answer that question but I just want to come back to the seven points because cuz we’ve now given five you know the next one I added okay I said to myself the best birds in the world have got a different genetic profile and they don’t get sick in other words the the the U the uh the immunity is better do you understand and and you will know this from human beings I mean I watched the movie called broken and it’s a movie that I suggest everybody go watch it Samuel Al Jackson and Bruce Willis Samuel L Jackson’s on the one side Bruce Willis is on the other side Samuel Jackson when he walks outside he falls he breaks his leg and breaks his hip and eventually he’s in a wheelchair so he goes and he does research to find out is there somebody on the other side and they find Bruce Willis he was in a car accident six people die he he lives he was in a train crash 600 people die he lives M and so he said but there’s somebody on the other side you know somebody else doesn’t get sick and doesn’t and you we see that in human beings I mean we have some people that are 70 80 years old and they never be to a hospital the other person from the age of 13 has got cancer and whatever you and it’s got to do a genetic profile and I believe that the best birds in the world have got a better immune system they don’t get yeah they don’t get sick and that’s where birdie is a great example the seventh one is something that Al CL Tau me and I really speak about it because people don’t necessarily understand it and some people say I talk and that’s fine a f said to me the best birds in the world wind surf they do this they wind surf okay and they don’t burn the inside of their flights other birds they don’t have their genetic Bol they actually fly okay so I’ve always said average pent could win a short distance space but an average pent Cann a middle and a long distance race okay it’s a better pigeon that’s going to do that have a look at when you see the Wesley wind blowing in South Africa those birds wind surf surf into the wind do you understand that they use the wind less their wings and more their body and so CL said to me when you look when alans comes to your house ever give him your best pit and you what what you’ll do is he’ll hold it he handle it whatever and then he lets it go in a certain way and he looks how the bird drops to the ground don’t have a look at your best Birds they they go from the ground to the top it’s one movement it’s like the effortless effortless now he said to me the center of gravity of the best Birds towards the front so when they lay in the wind pocket they lay at a different angle and they wi surf okay and they take less pressure on the body as other birds and that’s the seventh difference between the birds okay okay that that I have or all that and when you look and that’s why Naomi would say that bird looks different because they stand different they look like they’re standing more ight than the other birds understand yeah so those are the those are the seven differences that I have realized with time so I’ve got five my five rules are the the food you know and you know I only f with International Food and the reason for that is not because I’m V or this or that you know what the Belgium you going talk to the guys in Belgium and Netherlands whatever these guys have analyzed food for a 100 years they go I mean you look at Bayer Bayer goes and buys the best maze in France after that natural buys and then I think it’s Matador and whatever these guys going to buy the best maze then they going buy you know the best s them they buy the best of the best they put it into a mix and I mean they’ve taken pigeons and put them in Wind tunnels then they feed them just Ma and after they flown they actually cut them open they cut the cells open they look how much energy is still left in the bird and whatever so over over 100 years they’ve identified short distance food middle distance food and long distance food yeah in South Africa what do we do the guy runs to a farmer gets some maice and he goes and get some Maples he everything together chop he’s a feed an I’m saying what are you doing you know I’m I’ve always maintained yes some people say you know the international food’s expensive but realistically I’d rather toss once less a week and give my birds proper food where they’ve got energy what they require to do the job a truck that’s half full cannot reach cap down as simple as that okay and a pigeon that doesn’t have the right energy levels cannot do the job consistently so just getting on to that time cuz you’re not had a little bit of a discussion yesterday I said I was going to ask you today um because someone came in the shop and was asking about sunflower and he said look tomorrow after my podcast sunflower will be out of the question so leave it for the leave it for the show so let so tell us so so let’s look at sunflower I’ve never given sunflower you know um in the mix that I receive from Belgium yes there is a little bit of sunflower but I don’t add sunflower I don’t buy sunflower and it’s it’s got nothing to do with me bad mouthing anybody this is my opinion that’s what my opinion is the following that what is Sunflower sunflower is fiber the shell is fiber okay and all pigeons need fiber human beings need fiber and then it’s filled with oil yeah and the oil gives them you know certain capabilities okay to burn energy so if I want to give fiber you know I can buy jungle oats because jungle oats doesn’t just have fiber it has energy as well okay so that’s the first point the second point is if I want to give them an oil I give them a pigeon oil that’s made by a pigeon company that’s got the right balances in and in my case and I’m not saying other products are bad I mean at farit shop and and and thank God for farit because he does an excellent job you know he he really is a very good person to the to the sport and like yourself if you look at Viger oil that that uh that uh piton you know that oil has got all the oils in it’s got alcontin cartine letine It’s got all of these products in that are made for a pigeon you understand and I’ve seen if I give that oil to my birds there’s a difference with regards to the bird so how would you give it and when would you give it on what um so I don’t give oil after Tuesday I never give oil after Tuesday what distances are you talking about I’m talking about all distances I give I give my oil on a Tuesday afternoon I’ll give them oil and and on hard races I will give them if they return I will give them that Sunday night Saturday night and obviously overnight Sunday morning but after Tuesday I don’t give away so so with regards to Sunflower my problem with sunflower is that is that the fungi you know one of the biggest problems in racing pigeons is is funga and and and sour crop and whatever you and you must understand the crop is the engine people think it’s the wings and everything else if the crop isn’t healthy the bird’s not digesting the correct amount of food do you understand all the energy because there are problems in the crop so so the crop has to be healthy the pH in the bird has to be healthy okay and for that reason I believe that fungus is a huge problem in Pigeon Racing now the farmers out there if you look how they Farm now as opposed to 30 or 40 years ago they’re not so much concerned about fungi on the mides and things because why the mes and the and and and and the sunflower are sent to companies processed that get they process them at a very high temperature so all the fungi and all that’s dead they’re making pages and oils and you know Sun oil for us to cook with and whatever so they don’t focus on fungus for us it’s critical now you can just have the wrong batch of sunflower and I promise you you now you’re gone you will not fly with the dog guys you’re gone now I’m saying why do you want to take that risk okay so I just want to ask you another question on that because a lot of the guyss that I know that use sunflower including myself we use it so we can feed them full and and maintain their weight yes without weighing x amount of grams per day and how how would you control the so if you look at a bird a bird’s got one of the shortest digestive tracks yeah of any species okay you can eat a steak tonight tomorrow you can eat pork the next night you can eat chicken with a pigon if you’re giving various Foods the whole day long you’re actually giving in crabs okay that’s what I believe and that’s what I’ve been told in Belgium so because he’s got such a short digestive Jack what I suggest is that you give him the same food every day but just less on the shores a guy like Kevin flies on 14 G in the morning 14 at Night Don’t dop you know what at the end of the day of the day remember Kevin Kevin is an icon in the sport you know he’s a chief a lot but you know he gives 14 G in the morning 14 at night I flew on 16 G in the morning 16 at night and then obviously I give feet additives like oats and things like that so you know we all do our best but the point is to go and change the feeding you know I hear guys say on a Sunday I give barley on a Monday I give sunflower on a Tuesday I give this on a Wednesday I give that and I’m saying why you want to do that give them give them quality food in Belgium they give them the what happens is Belgium if you going to look at their mixes their short distance mix is a specific mix you give it yes but what I’m saying is they come they come when they land on the Saturday they land on a on ative mix okay so so why do they land on ative mix You’ been there the reality is when a bird is exercised four five 6 800k or whatever the cas when they get home they don’t want to eat generally they don’t want to eat um they don’t want to eat food so what happens is if you if you look at it it’s because when they’re fly their brains actually swall and when they land they they drink first and then you see they sit a little bit half an hour and then they start eating and what you’ll find is they’ll eat Fine Food do you understand they won’t eat Millies they’ll eat Millies later do you understand they eat the Fine Food or whatever and so pigeons teach you when you feed them you you also see in your Loft when you’re feeding your birds you know you get the guys that go they throw the food in the bowls they walk through the throw and they just go and they go out and they go drink coffee you know when I fed my birds I look what are they eating you know are they eating just miles are they eating the protein what are they eating because the bird tells you what it needs you understand he’s showing you and so when birds get home from a long distance race what you want to do is you immediately want to pick them up as quick as possible and bring them back to condition and form and so I give them a depurative that’s got a lot of energy you know white SW those type of things got a lot of energy and they can digest it quickly because the circum of the food is smaller and so they digest any proteins then you so what I you know Russ I you know when I was flying I give them I give them a product number one and number two I give number two when they back and basically what it is it’s a formulation of food where we’ve taken the molecules out and we’ve identified the actual food source so while he’s drinking he’s eating yeah and so that it cover quicker so that makes sense okay like if you don’t watch rades when those guys finish comrades they all get given energ immediately and they think four or five energes they won’t eat you won going to eat the hamburger but he’ll drink energy five or six of them and then obviously gradually recover so to me you know if you look at the theives the guys will give the punitives when they ride back but as soon as the bird is fully recovered he gives them the mix whatever the mix is for the week so I I like standardizing thing I don’t like changing things in the loft when I’m flying short distance 16 G when I’m flying middle distance I’ll go up to 18 G and remember we have the advantage seven days before the time we can see what the wind’s going to do on Saturday and generally the wind is right so so I just want to get you right so when you when you saying the gramage the gramage the gramage the food structure doesn’t change nothing changes the food is exactly the same okay but I’m contradicting myself because what happens is on the short distance I would fly on Super Sprint which is natural you know and that’s got more less amazing it’s got more Finer Foods and things like an energy sources because your birds want to you want to keep them as light as possible okay then we move over to the middle distance which is then uh Sports Maxi which has got a lot more maing but what I do is as I go from short to middle I will add 50% and 50% you know for like the first week week and a half and then eventually I will just be on sport yeah and then when we get to the long distance you’ll see that in the in the mix from uh from natural there will be peanuts in there will be uh sunflower that’s been you know dehusked and whatever you and so again I gradually go into the into the long distance food so that you can maintain because if you if you change suddenly the same week the same day you’ll see a effect on your words trust me you’ll see and and then just G the the shorts middles the long um obviously so the food you’ve explained now what about the Training Method now so so from before the season so that is where that is where I’m totally different to other guys my my babies and and remember something pigeon sport is expensive okay and I’ve always said this you get four different guys in a club you get the bolon and Brandy guy so he eats his bong and he drinks his Brandy and he talks about that one race that he won five years ago okay and he’s part of the club and he’s an integrate part of the club he loves his sport then you normally get the guys that are a little bit older like my dad was my dad if he wins three races or four races a year he’s happy he’s not even thinking of the averages okay he wants to fly you know then you get the guys that are more competitive they say I want to end up in the top three in in in Bon Club because it’s a very St Club you know for win a couple of races and in the top three are now going to be in the top 10 in the union then you get the guy that’s a fanatic and I class myself as one of those guys a g Kev fanatical you know John Field these guys underly small they want to win their VES okay and they’ll do anything to to win their VES they are different people with different goals and different methods of flying pons they are totally fanatical about the sport and we need to understand that there’s a budget involved now you’re going to look at the top 10 in the FED I’ll I’ll I’ll give you a challenge I’ll write down the top 10 of the FED I can write them now and just like that the grpf and I can do that in the Union as well because unfortunately a lot of people don’t have the budget to be able to do what I did okay and what given does you know okay so my my birds before the first race my babies have done 3 and 12,000 kilm before the first race from when Mark so I start tosing early you know when my birds are running in hour and a half two hours they need to run give us an idea of fact January I’ll give you an example and you start racing in June so I want to give you an example and and and I I’ll tell you what happened to me and why I learned this so when I moved from Kempton to to Alberton um I could only at the house in February but I already brought breed the babies in October of the following year so what I did is I trained them at that house they were running like you can’t believe so when I get to the new house I let them out and they flew immediately back to to Kempton and go fetch and fly back and and so and like I said to you the first race I flew I put seven in the 12 with broken imp pigeons and then I realized but what about the Feathering somebody told me you can’t TOS because they they need to sit and they need to fed you know and I realized that that is conditioning again somebody has said first of April we Chas up then we start tossing and I changed that and so the year of Co is the best example I can give you because the year of Co we were all in the same boat we couldn’t toss our birds from 24th of March up until middle July okay nobody could toss and then we could only start tossing and then we could start racing okay so on the 23rd of March the day before the lockdown my babies were at tromburg 480 kilom the day before 23rd of March that year so that means you’ve been tossing that year that year we flew 30 races because we didn’t fly for season okay we we f B 30 out of the 38 now in the history of the fed the guy that’s most won the most feds wasm and B was seven seven victories seven federations but that was out of 38 races I won 11 feds out of 30 that year and what does that tell you so I toss earlier but my bird a baby should never be locked up and when I say never locked up you get a lot of guys that let the babies out to walk around and and do all this I don’t do that when those birds are training when they training when I get them in there in they training I get them in I feed them and they sit still tomorrow morning I chase them up they go they fly their hour two hours in sit still then when I right through the mall right through the mall the m to me doesn’t exist two bushs are sitting in a tree so the one bu the other guy hey look at your ninth spin you you could okay you can’t fly I’m I’ve actually thrown my eighth and my fourth you know so I’m not flying so for seven days they sit in the tree and then they die of hunger pavs fly every day of their lives they fly 70 they fly actually twice they fly to the one and they feed they fly back then they fly to the other source and they feed and they come back now what about the maltt I’m not saying that birds that are moled that you need to take them 300 kilm in the worst part of the Mal I’m saying they need to ex Ides and you know what happens is they actually become stronger they become more powerful the muscle structure becomes more powerful I’ll never forget K coming to my house and I toss tromburg and we talking again March and and when the birds came to land you could see it like through the wings yeah and Kevin said you’re killing your pigeons I said well how am I killing them you know and you going to have a look at the longdistance averages now that theory of of people saying no but you’re going to burn your pigeons out you know hello I mean I won the long distance averages I think nine times so if I burnt them out in the beginning of the Season how my winning the long distance averages doesn’t make sense so so that theory of of The Malt doesn’t exist in my world okay and what I believe is look I do not trust November December and things like that I believe that that’s when they’re training they need to run in the heat cuz that’s predominantly our our warmups they need to run in the heat develop the ax and whatever you and then when they do an hour and a half I stopped and I start small I mean you’ve got time you know put them in the basket 10ks 15ks you don’t jump no I build confidence when I get to myON when I get to May I’ve always done that I give them four Mayans okay and when I really see I mean you know you look at the time that they spend on the when I see they’re breaking and they’re moving what I’ve always done is I then go just in front of me and because my fear is always that somebody’s training there and the birds go to the pack and then they train for 2 hours and then they’re gone so I go just in front of then I jump from there 20K other side from the B because what I want is they must be running there a k they must go over they must join them they must go over and then I go you know and when I’m at my Peak when the birds are really really being tossed I will for example I’ll toss it’s say let call it Monday I’ll toss Monday pburg the next day I’ll chase them up the following day 30 Cas the next day wiber Chase up 30k is for FL Chase up 30k is blue Chase up 30k is Tom’s Place Chase up 30k is sturg Chase up 30k Spring Fon that’s so what’s the furtherest you to go before the season and that’s to you 510 510 but what I do is I’ve always said I want to have seven seven tosses race point and further before the first race okay that’s my method and what I do is I make sure two of those tosses are tail wings and five are head wings okay then I have a chart with all my babies and initially I’ll put my rings on I mean when they CL they do I’ll put my rings on and then I’ll clock them and what I’ll do is the first P I’ll allocate on the board I’ll say one using the first P one a two for second pack a three for third pack and so on so what I do is after the seven races I now sit and I say okay which 20 babies are going to the race you I’ve got a baby that was seven times in front right he’s number you got a baby that was six times in front once or second right his number so by the time I send those 20 through the first race I know exactly that I’m going to score I’m going to have one cuz babies are unreliable yeah okays on the other hand you know your and you prepare yours and you know they’re going to come and Albert you’ve got a history you know which ones were flying on the shorts which were flying on the middles and which flying on the long so you can you can identify them because if you want to win the FED average or the union averages you cannot miss you got to be in the top in the FED when we were flying against AR and all of these guys if you’re not in the top 20 every week on average you theyes so just on that I understand you’re training then up to the to the to the first race and then during the season then what I do is they’ve now been to um they’ve been to tromburg they’ve had seven hours on the wing strong they had seven hours on the wing then the week of of preparation of the race I will give them the Monday I chase up on a Sunday yeah okay and they if they do half an hour they do half an hour whatever I chase them up I get them in and that’s another thing I don’t train twice a day never I never ever chase them up in the afternoon I don’t do that because what I found is because I’m building them the whole time a lot of guys lose their race around the house as bir come to Forman condition and what happens is you chase them up at four and 6:00 at night you thr Tri Trappers that’s your weak gone yeah so I train in the mornings and I get them in then they rest so Sunday Chase up Monday’s morning will be a 30k Tuesday excuse me Tuesday I will give them an 80k if it’s a if it’s a a headwind 100K if it’s a toe wind Wednesdays I look and I see what’s the wind going to do if I see it’s a tail wind I lock them up if I see it’s a head wind I will toss some 30ks Thursday 30ks go to the race b birds birds that don’t go to the race just remember something I had a lot of birds and so I extra I would I would toss them myself and if I feel they need a Windber I will drive the Friday because you get an extra day for them to recover or I’ll drive to bloom or whatever the case I mean I’m known you know me and Kevin the ones we toss no P to do an example and I had one home on the day and Kevin had two over on the day to give an example because those birds hadn’t had races the following week Kevin w bird that was home on the day won the fed the following week so just to give an example we are not scared to drive and to toss the birds bothing I always B on Race always on always obviously rain in or out yeah so so in my case in my case I would I would take them out the morning and toss them I wouldn’t feed them so they come down B water and they both and then I would get them in and feed them okay uh other guys that have the opportunity of an a better because they can’t strike up you know CU you can lose your Race easily with a with a strike so I B them on on on on basketing day if it’s raining I see it’s going to rain on Thursday I’ll B them on the Wednesday you understand so you can just change up that but I definitely B it once a week and then I look at the pictures what are they doing a bird that gets in the B and he’s soaking wet you can leave him at home that coop gets in the bath and Bs and when he gets out it looks like he’s bone dry that’s the bird that’s on formal condition okay and then so we’ve got basically all of that now now a lot of guys are going to want to know and obviously some of it’s your secret some of it’s not but the medication okay so so to me I had I you spoken sorry you’ve spoken about birds with immunity and all of that but we all know that we basket birds with not so healthy birds and we putting them under a hell of a stress and strain and so what do you so I think so so the rising Loft starts in the stock Loft yeah if you breeding unhealthy babiesmy said to me if you breed a baby that has a throat like that he’s not going to become a racer you understand if you you’re breeding a breathing problem in him yeah so to me the stockl is the starting point and this is where a lot of guys drop the ball because what they’ll do is they they finish racing and now we rest for two or three months we breed babies and whatever and then those have to be our Champions next year yeah so what I do in my in my stock L let’s start there firstly I don’t believe a stock P should get any M for what he needs protein okay he’s feeding his babies they need protein you want to develop muscles so always given my stock Birds young bird mix and a proper young bird mix you know I don’t like a lot of red uh s in I don’t like a lot of that I don’t like uh barley and I do not like uh bread qu what’s that in English sweet the reason for that is and something that I was taught that pigeons battle to break down wheat and they battle to break down B that’s why birds lose weight with Bary and the other reason why I don’t like Bary is a lot of times they got those sharp edges yes and when the bird’s eating it actually scratches the throat and that’s where your your outbreaks come from yeah so I don’t feed that so I give them a young bird mix number one number two in my race in my stock Loft I always make sure that there’s black crit and a variance of red crit or whatever you for them to eat and I make sure that they have a little holder of salt Birds need salt trust me they will eat salt a bird will not eat what it doesn’t need good pigeons eat what they need okay so I’ll get some salt so that’s that so is that the 247 247 it’s got to be in the Loft okay especially the black cuz they they need the black then when it comes to uh a process in my in my in my stock Loft I have what I do is on on a Monday I will give them black magic which is one a piton sales product but it’s actually a boost okay which I will which I will thin out and give to them because it’s too strong the way if you buy it pure I’ll give them twice a week I’ll give that that now that’s for the immune system it boosts the immune system okay I believe the best product in the world and and I say this with all due respect to all of the guys that have made medication is is a product called bazal which comes from H now it’s not always readily available but if you can get basol and you can afford it it is an unbelievable product some of the other guys give every stress think it’s a Roland product every dress that’s that’s a very similar product I give that every Wednesday of the lives and I don’t give it in the water I give it on the food because it’s expensive yeah and the reason why I did that I had the privilege of flying with h the he invited me I flew to Belgium and we flew to to China for 14 days and so I was with Hank if every single day and when we got to the Lang Fang show he had imported 12 containers of basol or burgol I don’t know how you pronounce it but I’m telling you now the Saturday morning we were sold out the guys come and they take 10 boxes and I said to him what is going on you he said Mark Birds use Trace elements during processing their food okay what are we doing we capturing our stock birds in in a loft 1 M by one M single pun that’s where they are they they can’t forage like other birds would do and remember where do pigeons come from pigeons actually come out of Asia you know we have this misperception that pigeons come out of Al it’s not true if you go and look at the King Dynasty 600 years ago they were flying pigeons okay they I mean it’s actually older than martial arts now you will know in geographically you have different Trace elements in the ground in China they Trace elements are different and Hank identified a trace element that racing pigeons need or pigeons need in the rising of babies okay so what happens now is just think you can tell me if I’m wrong eggs orate I make sure that my birds get enough calcium because the egg the H needs the calcium okay delays the egg baby comes out the and the Hand feeds laa laer laer y by day seven day eight what’s happening the hen is preparing to lay again who’s feeding the is feeding mostly now at that point he goes from soft crop to hard crop and what you’ll find 90% of pigeons and fanes can tell me if if I’m wrong you all of a sudden see a lot of moisture around your nest lot of water why the is feeding water he’s feeding these whole miles and water why because he doesn’t have this Trace element that you find in bazm and that Trace element helps them to go from soft crop to hard crop I promise you now you give that stuff you can shoot those the droppings okay so I learned that from Hank he said to me Mark never compensate when it comes to Bazar never because that Trace element is only my product and he will never tell anybody what it is it is he makes burone and he sells it like you hot cake I mean I’ve been to all of the top fers in Europe all of them and when you open and I get I know I’m an arrogant guy because I’m not flying against a krger I open his cupboard you know when I was there with equ all day I open his cupboard I walked with him when he was feeding his Birds cheese and things like that look what are they doing you know what why you there you’re there to learn I’m not his competition because I bought a lot of pigeons from Al’s class you to tell me what he’s doing and all of them all of them G all at least once a week in the stock Loft and I also use it obviously in the rice Loft once a week and so that is something that I do so I give them pige and tea obviously for their blood blood circulation what have you I will make sure that I give a little bit of EP and salts in the stock Loft you know and I will give them the black magic and I will feed them young bir mix and you will find your babies are healthier what I also do and I’ve learned this is when the babies are standing nice and you know they get like they stop eating you and whatever I give them their first vaccine dead vaccine when I win them I give them another vaccine and then every month therea I vaccinate them so I was asking you earlier about that if you can just explain why so cuz I said to you you’ve only been vaccinated once in your life correct for po or whatever but I mean you know we as human beings when when when you’re not feeling lacky you go for beat tall shot whatever a pigeon can’t talk to you okay he can’t tell you what’s happening with him you have to think for him you know a pigon sits there and he doesn’t know he’s going to do 800 kilomet this weekend you’ve got to make sure he eats enough and you’ve got to think about a way of getting him to eat enough okay and so when it comes to vaccines because it’s a dead vaccine okay you cannot vaccinate the pigon too many times you cannot do it and every time you vaccinate him you’re stimulating him his antibodies okay to actually react and when that happens the blood circulation everything improves they actually feel better do you understand they feel better so so when would you vaccinate to be the RAC season on the Thursday of basting on the so what I do is I vaccinate I vaccinate up until end of April I vaccinate okay okay and then I will 10 days before the race I’ll vaccinate again and then then I’ll vaccinate the week of the Derby and and because we we basket Thursday nights the birds that at home I will I will vaccinate them that Thursday night and others are basketed for the race and when the race birs arrive back on the on the Saturday I will vaccinated for the Doby of w so vaccines I believe play a very important part I think I once I told you that a pigeon is a blood vessel so blood in a pigeon is actually an organ you’ve got a heart and a lung and a kidney and whatever those are your organs but blood in a pigeon is an organ that’s why you’ll find a pigeon hitting a wire and we’ll SE him up and within seven 7 to 14 days the actual wound falls out you know you’ll see these birds dragging because you obviously there’s still a piece of gut or whatever in and you’ll see dragging the wound and you’ll actually regenerate okay another species that I know of does that it might be might be wrong but it’s one of the unique of a pigeon is the blood and that’s why blood is so important in a pigeon that’s why you know keeping the blood pure and oxygenated is so important in a rasing pigeon uh and so for that reason you’ve got to look at a pigeon and say this is how you’re treating or that’s what you’re doing with your pigon this is because it’s a blood it’s an organ you understand but now getting back to that that so now you’ve done the stock LOF and you’ve explained that but now the medication during the okay so I just want to finish with the with the blood yeah so so a pige can only carry one virus at a time yes you mention that okay so not like you you can carry a couple of viruses and again I’m not a scientist this is what I’ve been told you know at one stage a lot of guys said me Mark but you know you you talk what you don’t know and I said okay that’s fine you know I flew to Viet from Belgium and I took pit from sale and we went to the thorny Bush collection for 10 days where I was sitting across the two best beds I believe in the world and if you think I didn’t listen and ask questions to those two gentlemen when I had the time you go for the game Drive in the morning and then what then then we were talking pigeons what to feed when to feed how to feed what do you give what works what doesn’t work combinations whatever you so I’ve learned a lot and I can say to you emphatically a pigeon can only have one virus so if you are 10 days before the first race if you’re giving him inducing a virus for the first six six weeks over of the racing season he’s got immunity and so he won’t pick up young bird mix young bird sickness and all of these other things I’d like to get to the point where every single pigeon fan knows what I know because if we all 30 of us know how to keep our Birds healthy the champion will still be the champion the guy that works the hardest the guy that’s got the best genetics will still win and that’s what people forget you know that they try and keep the other people in the dark that they don’t know you know what happens that guy ends up stopping pigeons he stops racing because he’s getting whacked every single weekend you can’t win all the races you need to understand that it’s important that the BTO and Brandy guy wins One race do you understand and so that’s my belief is that we need to make the sport easier okay so R are basically the stock Loft we’ve now dealt with we our birds are healthy the stock are healthy um I I obviously before I start breed breeding them I will obviously do worm the stock Birds I will put them on on a coxy program a few basic treatments yeah yeah just to get them healthy a little bit of canker whatever you make sure they’re healthy look at their throats make sure they breathing is okay before I start breathing so those are things that I think we all do okay when I win my baby and this is critical what people don’t understand when you win a baby and Pete Fel taught me this in the in nature the birds are obviously in the trees and whatever you and they have the same problems that what we typically would have in our racing Lots but in our racing Lots it’s more critical because we want to fly birds at the at their at their Peak okay when you win a baby every single LOF in the world is good coxy you can tell me what you want to we’ve just got different levels we call it flora and there’s coxy in the LOF so what babies are prone to do is they pick up coxy in the race now what they do is to defend themselves they thicker they thicken their crop lining okay to defend themselves that’s how it works in nature now for a Buu the fact that he’s thickened is crop lining isn’t a problem for a racing Pon if he’s carrying an extra 10 gram over 800 kilometers it’s an issue and as soon as he thickens his crop lining his ability to actually digest the food is reduced so the thinner your crop lining the more if you’re feeding 16 grams the one bird’s going to get 80% of the nutrients the other birds only going to get 50% of the nutrient I just want to ask you something there when you say thickens the crop lining does he retain that for the rest of his life the rest of his life and it’s a it’s a defense mechanism okay so what happens is if your bird is carrying an extra 10 or 15 grams and my bird isn’t carrying it my bird can also have you ever seen pigeons that some pigeons are like all over the nest they they they want to you know they can’t eat enough you can’t feed them enough and when you feed them the crops are like this where the best pigeons you’ll see eat less it is it is a lesson that we need to learn nature just telling us something yeah okay and what’s nature telling us nature is telling us that some birds cannot get enough food they don’t digest the nutrients that they suit so what I do is when I win my way 14 days they on a coxy product whether that be suine or piton got a very good coxy problem uh product coxy cure whatever that product is I put them on for 10 days because remember when he’s with Mommy Mommy is giving him her probiotics and everything her immunity when you win him for about 60 days he has no immunity okay he’s open and that’s when they pick sicknesses up and that’s when we start developing Birds getting sick and dying you hear of these guys saying yes I’ve lost 40 babies and I’ve lost 50 babies that’s a combination of number one paramix virus and number two uh coxy which is the which then goes into other stuff it develops into young Bo sickness or whatever the case so those two things to me are critical something I’d like to teach the p fances and and when I was down in Cape Town we we I went down for the the the suu meeting and there were a lot of Capon there and we had Oki talking as a guest at the at the thing and he’s going to be on the show next okay well any case we were talking about we were talking about young bir sickness now young sickness hits all of us or generally all of us if I say to you in the last 15 years I’ve never ever had young bir sickness it’s a fact I’ve never had it I’ve had people me to say I’ve got young bir what do I do but me personally I don’t have it and because I believe prevention is better than cure if you’re doing the right thing in the stock Loft and you’re vaccinating your birds every month you’re going to pick up less ailments in your in your race Loft if you’re doing the coxy treatment in the beginning you’re going to pick up less elements but if you do get young bird sickness the best thing for young sickness is Fine Food you immediately change them to Fine Food so that they don’t sit with MES and things like that in the crop I’m sure you’ve heard that and then to give them a moxin a moxin product whatever that product be and and Oris products you know pit products whatever moxin is something that young bird sickness within three days it will go over you know but then what I do is I throw it on the food I give them the yird food and I put burgers all in the water because then I want to boost their immunity I black magic on the food together with it to to actually boost the immunity and pick them up now I’ve had a guy that was leading the union averages that found me the Sunday night to say mark my birds are cotching like you don’t understand what do I do do I sit out do I not fly do I what and I said to him I said listen go and get yourself a MOX moxa put it on the food go into find food don’t toss your birds okay they already fit don’t toss them leave them in the loft give them the Mox and put uh every dress whatever in the water to help them and wait for 2 to 3 days and you’ll see they’ll get over it by Wednesday they should be over it give them a short TOS Thursday a short TOs and the bird you would have sent send them and that following weekend he actually won he got second Union on the one side and he pH me he said you’re a genius I said I’m not a genius it is just what is needed for young with sickness MOX MOX is the best product that you can do and I mean you can go to your pharmacist there are products that are made for children whatever I’m not going to say you going to use this or that you might have something your covered already yeah and so that’s important so so yes I then go into my racing program my racing program what I do is my race birs if the very last race is let’s say the 1st of October I think this year they ended up in September SE from that moment I split my end and CS all birds H one side other side okay I leave them then what I do is I put them on young bird mix I do not give any mice ever to my rice birs during the off season I put them on young mix right in again I don’t like the a lot of Fred S I don’t like the the wheat and I do not have B in there I give them young b m i feed them twice a day because remember they going through a Mal now I’ll never forget when I bought birdie Z that I bought the year before and so the next day when I bought birdie I was very fortunate to have Mark to at my house Eric Lumberg at my house har cman at my house a class Hans Paula I me who who Hank they were all at my house and so Aon said to me so who are you going to P up with birdie so I said look you know she’s just raced I mean guys hello she’s had a hard SE whatever I’m going to let her rest a little bit and then I’m going to be her he looked at me and said are you mad she’s in the form of her life why wouldn’t you breed with her now so I said okay good point then I said but I mean my CS they’re falling apart I mean it’s February okay uh they first asked who you going to mate him to so I said H because I think he’s an unbelievable pict okay and it’s Hans Paula bread so and and zand’s Nest mate by the way in Belgium at w a national actual Nest so I said put under with him so said that’s perfect it’s exactly the right so I said well I’m going to have to wait because he’s moing so he said are you crazy I said why he said he’s in the form of his life he wouldn’t be pushing pins when they pushing pins their blood circulation is perfect but that goes for not for hens though well for for anything they said they question you on this because uh what I’ve heard and and while guys don’t make those HS when they offing all those HS and and qus and all of that is because they they’re not going to put all the goodness into the eggs they’re going to put some of the goodness back into the new Feathering remember it’s all go about feed allergies and feeding your birds and giving them what they need sure sure if you’re giving those with calcium and you’re doing what you need to do in the stockl it’s not going to make a difference now the very first baby I bred out of Birdie and a lot of people say what was birdie success rate well I can tell you the first year I sold six babies first tell us what she went for because a lot of rumors going around and so I can’t even tell you but I know she was the most expensive bird in the country so at that point at that point the most expensive bird in the world was 300,000 okay yeah R 300,000 Rand I’m talking single bir I’m so she was the most expensive because I paid 800,000 for and a lot of people said to me but Mark you know you’re mad I mean on the day I’ll never forget the Africans guys came and shook my hand and hugged me and bear hug me and everything congratul the English guys didn’t want to know anything about me you know whether it was jealousy or whatever I don’t know but I bought with I mean my dad actually pulled my sleeve a couple of times and said Mary you can buy my whole Loft for that and my house you know and I think differently okay I learned to I learned a lesson from Lolly Jackson and we all know who he he was to know those lessons yeah but LLY LLY said the foll he was he was interviewed on card launch and what actually happened is he got on Van drive just I think he was block and he and and he sees him setting up a trap so he goes past he founds his attorney and he says listen what’s the worst that can happen to me if I go over this TR at a m speed now remember those years you weren’t allowed to publish anything sexually you weren’t allowed to publish it wasn’t allowed in the newspapers and this and that whatever so the attorney says J listen b based on what I can understand a 50,000 and fine or six months in president so LLY gets in his car 303 kilm over the track he was in every single newspaper he was in every single magazine and in fact he he in fact he was interviewed on card blanch okay and afterwards he said he got 5 million R publicity for 50,000 Rand what a bargain now the day I bought birdie I said to my wife I cannot pay enough for her I actually budgeted 1.2 million for that day I found my bank manager and said what have we got 1.2 and I said to the more we pay they’re better because the whole world will know who I am the whole world will know his kitchen man l so it’s a different way thinking and that’s why I also charged more for the babies because I wanted them to be unique and special I mean how stupid was that I mean I bought birie I put it in my car and I was driving back from s City to Alberton while driving back I got six phone calls and I sold six babies at 100,000 a piece so i’ spent 800 but I got 600,000 just on in one day the very first baby those six babies up want to tell you all six of them breed winners in their very first year I think one of the most famous babies is Tiger Tiger was sold to Ender in captown and he subsequently took genetics from from birdie and oron class and he mixed them and he sent them to the million dollar and he actually won the sa challenge four times which I think it’s $220,000 if I’m correct um I spoke to HRI one day he out of out of he spent 100,000 he made 1.6 million out of tiger and then he still sold tiger as a 10-year-old for 100,000 so he never lost in my case I bought birdie for 800,000 I sold her in 2015 which is you know seven years of of breeding eight years of breeding and I sold it for 1.1 million so how stupid was I do you understand I just thought differently to other guys people said I’m an idiot but I’m saying I’ve got the best P that’s ever flown in a single bit Loft in the world I bring that genetics together now going back to S I continued buying the winners I bought Ali was the winner I bought regular she was the winner I bought Victor my own winner the million dollar race so and then all the birds would second and third and whatever so in my world I had $13 million winners and I would literally make them together and if you go look at what Mike ganis has done okay he basically took my model and he continued with it you know and I’m sure he’s he’s a man of integrity also that’s where he learned it because he has gone subsequently and he’s pull all of the million dollar winners and he mates them together and he gets his price for his birds and they now performing all over the world he one he’s won Big Falls and and you’re going to look at the lineage you will see it’s million dollar winners and and single bird LOF winners that are in those B so I believe that the cam of the crop goes to the top and I bought that genetics and then my real success came when I took the 03 line which was now breeding winners and I then crossed it with my Internationals so with birdie or with Constantine or with you know those lines Dr food or whatever you I take them back to the race L they’ win I bring them back to the 03 line so at worst the in the race Loft 50% International 50% local next time they come back 75% again local 25% International and if you do that that’s what Al CL taught me if you do that you can never ined you can’t in it’s impossible okay because that’s that’s all fine but then the the the the basic medication throughout the the race so what I did is when I when I was with h and and and and Dr pit I learned a lot about combinations of of medication that you can put together okay and what happened to me is you know I won 2008 I won the the the FED averages 2009 SMY I was second 2010 I won he was second 2011 he won I was second the following year he won so we won it for six years you know either me or him and then I moved my Lofts I moved my Lofts from five open per M to my new house and I subsequently put the LOF on this side of the house and I won the aage just I think 2012 there and then because of that white flat not wanting to trap you know trapping differently I decided to move my Lofts onto my pigeon onto my tennis court yes and I built a new Loft and actually a week before the time I had net soer Nets up homing the pigeons and you can’t believe it I moved the birds from this side of the house to the other and I actually lost all birds I lost 10 old Goods by doing that that’s a full of there are but any case so that was my worst season that I think I ended up 17th in the F that specific year the following year I was I think second okay and my success I believe with regards to the changes I made was because there was more ventilation Roland Bower if you look at the Lofts that he designed they were all pitch roofs now remember in Belgium what people forget in Belgium you know a lot of guys say but they don’t have flat roofs in Belgium I say yeah because they have snow and snow on a flat roof is going to C you have to have a pitched roof otherwise it’s going to break so I mean the first time I won the F AES was with a flat roof you know and I actually won it twice with a flat roof so you know it’s got to do with ventilation in your Loft it’s got to do about air and by pitching your roof you’re creating a better draft and a lot more air you know before pigeons I had qu I had you know beautiful qu and one thing I read uh learned about KO was you need quality food and you need a lot of oxygen so the more oxygen you have and the better the food is the bigger the fish grow and so I app I applied the same Theory with regards to the race LT so my rice Loft eventually the one that’s now on the internet that you can see had a huge pit roof and had a lot of volume Harman taught me I was sitting with him and he said to me Mark let me tell you something he said with and with human beings if you take a human being that works outside and he put sign boards up all year he won’t get a c okay but take that same guy and put him in an air conditioned room within a week he’s sick and vice versa okay and I learned that I said to myself what is he saying to me and then he said to me a bird needs to sit outside but be inside so what does that mean a lot of oxygen no wind or you cannot have a draft if you got a draft in your Loft you’re dead in the water yeah so my loft you know I was actually if you look at the loft there was gaps I mean my floors I drilled holes in my floor so I could get air from the bottom but there was no draft you know I had blinds that I used to drop if the wind picks up I drop the blinds so there’s no wind on the pigeons and I turned my purchese to the sides so the birds sit on the sides they don’t sit at the back they actually sit on the side so they don’t get a draft on them okay and so that is critical in a race Loft and in your race LOF design is to get a design that you have a nice wind you know a lot of the old people used to walk into the Loft and take a smoke and they blow check where’s the smoker you know what I also learned with my rice go is that let’s talk about 3 m as an example so let’s say my my birds are sitting in the 2 m area where I’ve got a door then you’ve got a meter which is the passage the the roof pitch needs to be above the passage do you understand so the short side which comes down will be on the front and the long side will be to the back and it must go over there must be a gap at the back and a gap in the front to allow for oxygen okay you don’t want wind on your pigeons yeah so that that is absolutely critical okay so winning my bird seven days on on 7 to 10 days on coxy on coxy okay and then obviously I let them out M and I would generally put a bath out because I believe once the bu’s bath he feels at home then there you’ll see at a stage you get a little bit of wind cut and they fly to the roofs and they fly down and fly up and after about three or four days of that then I chase them you Chas it I chase them I throw a pillow or whatever a red pillow or whatever and you see them scatter and from that point they never come down never so are train or they they train or they CL and when they start running two hours 3 hours they tell you then you can go to the road and you do 10ks 15ks and remember something a lot of guys don’t understand when you put the birds in the basket for the first time they scared you know that they know it so I know of very famous pies in Belgium that would actually Basket in V from Beach myof manager belg didn’t he actually takes the basket there we were on a farm and he stands 50 m away from the from the Loft and he opens you know s let him sit for an hour and he opens and they fly back to The Loft you know he did that twice and then he would start tossing you know from a logical point of view confidence yeah it’s just and and also it’s the same thing with with water you know birds don’t drink water in the truck because they used it so you could typically have a union basket or a Fed B type of scenario where you put your babies and you throw water in the trough just to teach them to drink you know that is something that I think is important um so yeah those are you know I always say racing pigeons the difference between winning their pigeon me second other guys say it’s 1% I say it’s 10% between second and third is another 10% between 10th and first is 100% that you have to improve okay that’s how big the Gap is between one averages and being second you know it is the small things that you do in your Loft that actually makes a huge difference to your birds and remember I give them young bird mix from nove from October up until a month before the first race okay that’s all they eat then what I do is I have my race Meats for the shorts so week four I will add 25% of the race Mex 75% Young birs yeah week three 5050 week two 7525 week of the r on the on the mix because I don’t want to affect their gut lining and I don’t want to affect the birds and then and and when you’re tossing as hard as what I toss they need that protein and again I land them on the on the young bird on the Fine Food I land them on the Fine Food Sundays to me is always TR trone and tea I get trone and tea Sunday afternoons are always always give them something for malaria because malaria is a factor in in racing pigeons and then what I do is I go into my medication and I said to you I learned about combinations what happened is in 2017 Opa which was like a father to me you know tan Lena was 78 he was 82 and and what happened is now I’m telling t l t you must give this in the morning this in the afternoon this at night and then she get totally confused so the one Sunday I was sitting in my pigeon uh area I thought to myself you know I can’t do this cuz she PHS me for five minutes okay because is in know here yeah so I actually took nine products and I worked out what I believed was correct and I took the nine products and I mixed them you know uh the the old Joe straight them away you know mixed it in his kitchen type of thing so I mixed this combination and I walked into the house with my wife was busy making Sunday lunch and I asked her for holder and there was a custard holder you know the plastic holder custard it was empty so grabbed it and I threw this power powder and the powder is you need yellow I threw the powder in there and I closed it and that Sunday afternoon we went to visit our and I said TOA from today you give custard okay Mondays Tuesdays Wednesdays up until 12 12:00 that’s what you give and she did that and out that year and you can go check the records had the best bird in the combine H combine the bird was 74 won the best bird he won five races in his club and he won the middle distance averages at the age of 82 which is unbelievable so that’s how the name custard came about and so I then the next season which is 2018 I said to myself why break something that’s not broken so from 2019 every week actually two weeks before the first race up until the last race my birds get gusted I added two products eventually ended up to me 11 products and I added the two products and I would give it and the thing is what are you doing you’re doing preventative because obviously all these combinations they’re getting small quantities of let’s say a MOX small quantities of of uh you know the other products coxy product or whatever SBC or whatever can whatever so they’re getting small quantity so you’re you’re maintaining your bird’s Health right through the season you know and I mean the results talk for themselves 2018 when I changed I arguably had the best season in the history of the trpf because I mean I won the short distance the middle distance the long distance the classic averages the young bird averages but I didn’t just win a single bird I won all bird as well I wanton every single average that there was to win including a couple of feds and then in 2019 I did the same 2020 I had 11 Federation WIS I mean that year I one the combine averages against 200 whatever 300 whatever pigeon fans is and the following year 2021 I ended up second to Kevin my brother he won the combine averages I was second but I still won the F averages so I won four years in a row and if you think about it there are seven averages I won all seven averages for four years in a row excluding the short distance average one year where Yan Hamilton beat me with two points I don’t think that would ever be G and and the scary part is if you add my points together on the orbit averages to add my points together over the four years the guy that was second was 21,000 points be that is seriously seriously and and you can only achieve that if You’ got a family of pigeons and you have good medication like I said sick horse doesn’t and then obviously the other big difference is that number one and two I give number number one on basketing day it’s a slow release okay it’s energy based so when the bird remember you’re feeding 16 gram so what happens is the bird’s drinking now while he drinking he’s eating he doesn’t realize it okay and especially on the middle of long distance that you know when it becomes hot they don’t want to eat you know that okay so now I’m saying I’ve got to make sure he’s got enough power to do the job and that’s where obviously number one makes a difference because you know when it gets hot they drink more so they’re drinking energy that they don’t that your bird doesn’t have to understand because your birds eating less and my birds eaten less and then when they come back I have a quick release so what happens is when they land and they drink it releases immediately into their system and they can recover quicker so those are the two fundamental differences yes I treat for cancer a caner once a week which is on a Sunday you know I give my my feed additives in between um malaria malaria I treat on a Sunday afternoon and in the old days when we still had milk when I used to basket on on malaria I used to basket on that I give them always on basketing day an iodine and that’s just to make sure that the thyroid gland is stimulated you know so I do that so and then know what I do do is remember we always basket Thursday night Fridays always I give my birds by cop the entire yard stock Birds race Birds everything that moves on that property gets by cop why I neutralize the crop remember you’ve given antibiotics and whatever you and probotics do you ever give so what I do what I do is I will give fungus I’ll give fungus fungus product on a Wednesday because I treated remember I treated 12:00 yeah you know with with with antibiotics and so they get a fungal overgrowth and so I’ll give them something for fungus on that um I will give carbo boost you know a Caro product or some protein products obviously you know that’s all feed additives and I mean you can see what your birds need you know you should be watching what they eating and then you give them accordingly you give them those products but I think the B carb thing is a very important thing on a Friday because you neutralize the whole crop because you’re building for next week and then what I do is Friday night I will give them a probiotic okay you understand so balgan yogurt for example is fantastic mean you can get Belgian yogurt through the week you know and products like cinnamon you know if you’ve got wet dropping cinnamon binds the stomach very quickly so those are things that you you know and then obviously each guy does these things so to me it was easy custard one and two rice custard one and two rice easy you know don’t have to think about it now my birds get everything every week I don’t have to and what sorry I need to correct myself because what I would do is I’ll have a I’ll have a can a week because remember you’re giving very little quantities in the custard so I’ll have a can a week where I’ll I’ll I’ll give them a little bit of flat job or p on sales whatever you and then the week then the following week I’ll focus on coxy I’ll give them suine for example for you know for a day or two then the the following week I will go and I say breathing then I’ll focus on breathing so so that once off yeah and then dorming obviously um I deworm every three weeks on a Sunday and I will put the dewormer on the food morning and night and in the water is that for all the worms tape worms everything uh yeah I use Endo worm from from Baya so it’s a cheap product it’s a good product I’m sure you sell the woming products as well so I use that with the bird so every 3 weeks they get wormed although I don’t have I’ve got a tennis sport so I don’t have cross I think guys that have got grass should be wor every two weeks I think it’s critical in in racing bu yeah so yeah you know that’s my that’s my system tossing what I do is when I get to distance yeah I think two weeks before the first race I come back then I start doing power work I’m sure you’ve seen with athletes you know they Peak at a point which now they’ve now been to strong font 7 hours on the wing they got the muscle what everything and I bring them back and I give them short tosses and then I start tossing less 10 at a time and they chase each other so you know I get to a point where every 30 seconds I’m releasing a basket and they chase each other and I come back you know and I give them some speed work you know to cuz what you want to do is the day of windberg when those when that pack comes out mine comes out and says it’s 30 Coast they hit the road you don’t win windberg at home you win windberg at windberg cuz that first pack that breaks away they don’t catch them no you know and you need to have one or two in that pack yeah and so so that’s what I do I do the speed work you know for that week week and a half okay now thanks Mark’s been very very interesting I’m sure we’ll do it again no sure and uh the fanciers will find it very interesting and there a lot more questions we could go on for hours but I’m sure we’ll do it again and thank you very much for for for sharing your knowledge with us you’re much welcome if anybody’s got any questions you know they can perhaps just Channel it through to you and we can give them answers because I think at the end of the day you know on a podcast whatever you you you know you you can only tell I can only tell you what you’re asking but I’m sure these pigon fans is out there that that are saying but what about this what about babies and what about you know how do I see in the no that’s I think we’ll have another one and then we’ll ask we’ll get a lot of questions coming in and then we’ll ask the viewers questions next time yeah I think that that that will be a good idea because other guys don’t know yeah so it is what it is yeah thank you very much than you you’re welcome thanks welcome
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Had some sound recording issues in the first 30min or so… 😓
Sound very bad
Please do it over😅
Sound is very bad! Wont get views remove and load a proper sound video to gain view!
This is a great channel with lots of info I need to grab a book and pen to make notes, well done Russell and Mark. Cannot wait for the next "talking pigeons"
What is the custard mix Mark is referring to…