2024 CJ Cup Byron Nelson, LIV Singapore + Listener Mailbag | NLU Pod, 830

Taylor Pendrith birdies the 72nd hole to win the Byron Nelson at TPC Craig Ranch while Ben Kohles bogeys the final hole to miss a potential playoff.

Meanwhile at LIV Singapore, Brooks and Ripper GC win while TC’s Cleeks made their first podium appearance of the year. We break down both events and a few other news and notes from the world of pro golf, Soly’s trip to Bandon Dunes before opening up the listener/reader mailbag to answer your questions.

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01:01 Titleist, the #1 Ball in Golf
03:40 Results around the world
05:51 Byron Nelson results
22:42 Blade and Bow
23:43 LIV Singapore results
49:42 Omni Resorts
50:54 News and notes
52:38 Bandon Dunes 25th Anniversary
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ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no Lang up Podcast s here TPC Craig James week uh so you know my guy the big guy remember the five big Randy is here hello big what’s up guys uh great to be here interesting week we we’ll get into all of it but uh yeah nice to be with you gentlemen this evening we call this a hazard pay week we we demand extra pay from the rest of the group uh to to cover a tournament week like this one I’m going to be turning the host duties over to my guy kvv here shortly I am coming in hot off of a trip uh to Bandon Dunes which I’d love to tell you guys about if you’ll listen but it might be more interesting than than TBC Craig James but I’m gonna toss it to him he’s gonna guide us through the show tonight Uh Kevin how are you so I’m doing great I’m living the dream of every middle-aged white guy I get to play point guard in an off week here I get to Fe my shoters so I get get you guys to hustle get you guys to move up and down I’m I’m running the show this is what I’ve always always wanted uh guys tonight’s show is brought to you by Titus the number one ball in golf s you’re coming off a weekend of Lord knows how many holes of ban and dunes the people are demanding to know how many balls did you go through and how do you mark your tit gosh I mean again here it is topic conversation my golf at abandon this past week happy to talk about it but uh got I packed light this week I went Sunday bag I was being nice to our caddies out there Joe’s wickle was on the bag for for me this past week was trying to be nice I only brought 12 golf balls I’ve never done that on a trip proud report I only went through six in four total rounds plus 19 holes uh at shorties one of them I lost one of them I scuffed when I hit a sprinkler head on the 13th hole abandon Dunes which is all in film it’ll be uh not quite as funny as Neil hit the sprinkler head at St Andrews Beach but Titus was nice enough to send me a box of the balls with the small nlu logo on them so I actually was pretty lazy this week and did not Mark uh any of my golf balls this week so I knew I knew the small nlu logo was mine I play the prov1 and I got to say so the prov1 is softer it’s lower lower Spin and man was I thankful to have that power this past week hitting low shots using the ground piercing the win it it honestly like wouldn’t make all the difference in the world to me to play the prov1 or prov1x under normal conditions but in what we played in it really did make a world of difference it was predictable I never once hit the dreaded ball into the wi that balloons so much and starts coming back at you and comes up 35 yards short not once did I hit that shot playing the t-150 irons which are FL lofted down two degrees and the combination with that and the FootJoy ring gear which came in great handy I H played some of my best golf in some very not nice conditions which is not the case if you’ve watched some of our videos from many years ago I I can honestly say the equipment had a ton to do with that so this is an ad read but that part honestly is not like that’s the truth it’s all on video uh which will roll out here uh at some point uh but in the meantime head over to tile.com to start the fitting process find the best ball for your game titleist.com thank you sir s that was an excellent recap you know I I was reminded of my friend Max Holmes’s comment about banon Dunes is like if you’ve been to banon Dunes it’s sort of like discovering that someone is a vegan they’re going to tell you about it they’re going to let you know all uh what what it’s like uh quick rundown before we sort of get into the meat of things about really quick on that super quick before that uh people million questions we got about the Bandon Dunes greens we’ll address all that on the end at the end you got to listen to the end of the show uh but the to the kajillion people that have this on their calendar want to know that Deets on the Bandon greens we’ll give you all at the end spoiler Al it’s to it’s all totally fine everybody’s gonna be fine you’re gonna have a wonderful time that Bandon Dunes do not fret all right uh now to the less important stuff uh there were some winners of some tournaments around the world the winner of the CJ cup Byron Nelson was Taylor pendri by a shot over Ben Kohl’s this came down to the 72nd hole with Kohl’s making a pretty bad Bogey and Taylor making a birdie a little reversal there at the end Randy I know we’re going to dig into this within a second but let’s keep running down I know you’re itching to talk about this but we are we’re gonna get through the results I’m laughing I I got to start putting in my nlu contract I want to be on the Jim Nance schedule you know if Jim’s not calling the tournament I don’t know why I’m on the Sunday show no offense to my guy Andrew catalon but yeah we’ll get to it kbv all right uh there was no corn fairy tournament this week over in Liv Singapore Brooks Kea fired a 68 to win by Two Shots over Aussie’s cam Smith and Mark Le Ripper GC was the winner in the team competition by three shots over L fireballs and TC’s clicks strong showing unbelievable sounded like TC was just Lo locked in at Bandon even to this what was going on all week the the time zones were really weird it was a oh [ __ ] that might be going on right now what’s going on yeah they have four holes to play it was very weird but yeah TC was into it of course uh we’ll get to Brooks in a sec but it’s his fourth Victory on the Liv tour which is four more than you know ROM which I’d also like to talk about uh in a little bit as well on the DP World Tour of the Volvo CH Volvo China open Spain’s Adrien U shot a 65 but wi to by a shot over Guido mizati migi migoi excuse me thank you s I don’t want the F you gotta kind of have the Italian hand symbol when you when you do that uh it was the fifth career DP World Tour victory for the 31-year-old third round leader Sebastian Soderberg shot a 72 on Sunday they finished tied for third uh the lpj and the L were both off this week and on the Epson Tour Madison young wins the Casino Del Soul Golf Classic from Tucson Arizona by Two Shots over six other women it was the first Epson tour win for the 27-year-old American who moves to the top of the year-long race to the card standings guys should we start with Byron Nelson I know Byron Nelson in general might might feel like this is not the best uh does this event honor him like can we start with that does it honor Byron Nelson I wanted to ask you thr that right to you guys would if you were Byron Nelson’s family would you still want this event this conditions this tournament this course attached to your name put aside the charity element for just a sec obviously charity is great nobody hates charity do you think this honors Byron Nelson and and I even think the CJ group are are trying you know I I appreciate them building out the 17th hole the part three they got the guys in the the red trousers uh working the course like I I’m not sure who’s well we I think we all know whose fault it is eventually but it’s just it’s it’s a bad venue it’s a bad venue and it’s a bad part of the calendar and I I I don’t think it does Justice to Byron Nelson a historic name I think he’s sixth all time in PJ tour victories it it just feels Unbecoming to still have his name attached to what is clearly a second class event on the PGA tour well someone has to win the second class event so Taylor pendrith emerged as the winner uh he actually began the day with the lead I’m going to give a quick sort of rundown of how things happened in case you were one of the millions who did not turn in uh he chunked a pitch shot on the nearly drivable sixth hole but then hold a bunker shot for sort of a surprise birdie to get to 21 under that sort of seemed to steady his round he did not play particularly well did not hit his irons particularly great but Ben Kohl’s was really the story uh he made three straight birdies uh on the back nine to get to 20 under then he made a excuse me on the front nine and then he made another Birdie on the eighth to take the outright lead it was kind of back and forth there pendrith birdied the ninth to get it up to 21 under uh and then he took the outright lead back from Kohl’s on the 12th but then Kohl’s birdied 16 and 17 going into 18 a big boy Birdie on 16 hitting a a sort of shot to about three feet from 180 yards a great shot into 17 and rolled a putt dead into the throat of the ho uh really looked like he was in control the easiest hole on the entire course the par five 18th no one had bogied the entire day uh Cole hits sort of a kind of a squirrly drive uh that’s ends up kind of in just short of the bunkers in right he only hits at about 275 so you know some of those bunkers were not in play that they were in play for others hits a shot up towards the green it doesn’t get into the greenside bunkers it gets into the sort of those weird you know in between rough uh there’s a big discussion about what the ball doing it it looked like in from the TV broadcast they they were saying Colt and and ibf were saying it was sitting down actually on the transcriptor I looked after it cold said it was sitting up and that was the problem he desell hard into the chip the chip pops kind of straight up should have maybe if he goes into the other bunker uh he might actually have been able to get an easier shot to get up and down from there but it doesn’t he has a super weird stance can only get it to about six feet from there with a a little kind of grab the club halfway down and pendrith meanwhile hits a second shot onto the Green from about 225 and two putts total reversal uh Kohl’s misses his putt pendrith has a shorty to win pretty devastating finish for Kohl’s who’s 34 uh not a lot of uh chances are going to come in like this again I would think for him he’s played well in the corn Ferry tour but not exactly like a big-time career ahead of him yeah Randy we’re doing the choke symbol a little bit look when is it okay to call call joking a friend of the program is a wild World of Golf alumnus Randy you know he played great into that those pressure situations who are we if we can’t call it like it is though it was very unfortunate I mean ibf said that’s pressure right that is pressure he gets that chip up down like a ton of times so nervous he couldn’t even spit absolutely uh S I don’t know what what is it like down the stretch like that in a tournament like that I mean you know it’s tough man you’re trying to win your first it you know a lot of things going through your head for someone that’s been kind of around pro golf for that long and on the not really on the precipice of of anything like this at any point in his career all that comes with a win is is just gota I don’t know how it doesn’t ENT your brain hit an awesome putt on 17 to make a two on that one and honestly if he if he gets into the bunker there instead of instead of the rough on 18 or be sitting here saying he choked probably not like it was kind of maybe a little unfortunate to get into that spot he probably at minimum he gets it out of the bunker on the Green in two putts and gets into a playoff right and then the bunker shot was not or the the shot out of the rough was not ideal but it was an unpredictable shot to get out of there the putt was the one that’s like Ah that’s pretty tough to describe any other way I mean that was not did not look like a very difficult putt not much of anything looks very difficult at TPC Craig James and I mean it was 5 feet one inches and it didn’t hit the hole like that’s the that’s the part that was really tough but I’m sure he was pretty flustered from uh you know looking like he had this thing wrapped up and then it gets away so it’s it’s tough I was really pulling for him you get two-year exemption you’re you know you got your job locked up through 26 you’re playing the Masters next year uh and now you don’t get any of that and uh it’s that’s pro golf in a nutshell right there big uh TC and our internal slack said that Taylor pendrith is a disgrace that he’s uh you know should apologize this is a fraud I I think what you know we know know CC’s kind of doing a bit half the time about this stuff but Taylor pendrith not exactly like a a butt kicking kind of player on tour this year what what do we make of a guy who’s hits it long but obviously is just really not an elite tour level player uh grabbing this Victory I I mean somebody had to win I think is my big takeaway this week I that should be the new PGA Tour tag L somebody had to win I mean why not Taylor I I I will say going back to that 17th hole you mentioned Ben Cole’s draining a birdie putt Taylor had uh according to stat cast or whatever 6 feet 6 in and I don’t know if it was a full 360 Rim the Putt in but that ball very easily could have stayed out um and if he makes I had in my notes it went 355 degrees around if if if that putt doesn’t go in Kohl’s has a two-shot lead going into the 18th and then you know if the same thing happens we’re in a playoff so that was that was a key moment um listen I don’t I don’t share TC’s disdain for Taylor pendrith I have nothing against the guy I think some of that TC’s disappointed in and Taylor now being prominently involved with uh his International side in the President’s Cup I I listen he was he was I believe he was going for his first tour Victory as well so it it was a bunch of guys you know you could kind of see they they the pace slowed down and and you could kind of feel the nervousness uh all through that back nine credit to him you know good Birdie on 18 I I’ll just go back like Ben Cole’s like I I’m not I’m not necessarily relishing in that it was a choke I I I think it was a choke it wasn’t a crowning in my book like a crowning is when everybody around the leader kind of vacates early in the round and it’s it’s kind of a no pressure win this was a choke I mean the 71 hole leader is the only guy all day to Bogey the 18th like that’s that’s tough he he makes the one mistake you can’t make with that little Chip Shot leaving it short and just spiraled from there so it it was at least we got you know I was sitting there for three plus hours today watching Golf and it’s like at least I got some moments that you know I I gave an audible sick when that Chip Shot happened and and we did get a good finish so I I do appreciate that so if I’m an architecture kind of novice and I tuned into this why am I why does t tcpc Craig Ranch stink I mean we talk a lot about it I feel like we’re you know in in the third year of this playing it here it’s probably our least favorite tour of course what would you say is like if I was some asking you to explain why does it suck uh hit me with an explanation uh it’s it’s hard right because I I do my best not to sound like a snobby architecture nerd and I don’t really enjoy that but what I what I really enjoy is a really strong relationship between the quality of your shot the punishment received the reward received and I like to see a close line in that relationship right if you pull off a daring risky shot you earn a birdie and if you miss you might make a Bogi and TPC Craig Ranch is the opposite of that it doesn’t require daring shots of any kind it requires the most straightforward golf you could possibly play it’s not even in good shape like it’s get a ton of rain to be fair to the The Architects and grounds crew not the the ground scw yeah ignore ignore that ton of rain that’s not in the top 10 reasons why it’s not a good golf course for a professional golf of it uh it doesn’t have any of those things Taylor pendri is not a good ball Striker uh he he did he barely even gained Strokes approached this week it’s just becomes a driving and putting contest essentially um when you can drive it as far as he does he’s not an accurate driver and he’s he is a long driver I I’m not discrediting Taylor somebody’s got to go win the tournament he did it and pulled off the shots and was good around the greens and made the putts he needed to it’s just like that is just the the like poster child for a golf tournament that just doesn’t need to exist if but again in a totally different world I understand why it does I understand why they moved it to the North Side they had it at Trinity Forest it was a disaster at Trinity forest for a variety of reasons they couldn’t raise the money the salesmanship club could not raise the money that they could if they had the event on the North side they needed a new home they found this they can raise a lot more money for charity that’s why this event exists that’s not why I’m a golf fan as much as I love charity like it’s it’s it it’s it’s just one of these things that’s like a representation of the archaic model of the PGA Tour and like I’m not going to sit here and pretend like it’s a great entertainment product like it’s just not it accomplishes what it sets out to accomplish it raises a bunch of money and it’s brings professional golf event to Dallas but yo that ain’t it uh as far as where where I’m sit if it’s your thing I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong but that ain’t it for me well said I don’t think we need to spend too long lingering on this uh here just I got another 45 minutes to go if you want but what are we really going to say that uh you know we haven’t said several other times but some kind of notes from the tournament Chris Kim uh from England at 16 year old 16 years old and seven months became the fifth youngest person to ever make a cut on the PGA tour he’s the youngest European to make a PGA Tour cut and he broke Jordan speed’s record for the youngest to ever make the cut at the Barron Nelson he struggled a little bit Sunday but still someone to keep his our eye on you know his mom is a former LPGA LPGA player G hungu uh Chris got into the tournament because he’s the first amateur sponsored by the CJ cup so I was watched a little bit had a nice shot into 18 there C you CJ gr guys uh we absolutely got assaulted by the the beo commercial my God kids were asking me how could someone possibly this be this excited about frozen dumplings uh I I gotta just ask like what Ad Agency is like hey let’s get 60 of these ads and let’s just Jam them down people’s throat over and over again I got the answer I got the answer again archaic model uh you sponsor Tour event we’ve pre-sold this media for you like this is where your ads go like right here like you can’t can’t if you want to give up the ad spots you can’t like we’re running your ads no matter what and we the television Partners want the break they want the revenue and this is where the money is going there like again take it all away this is this exact week is the representative of everything that needs to change but that’s the answer to the question uh do those commercials do on on net net do they do more harm to the product because you’re so angry at having heard that little jingle over and over again or do you now know what bibo is because you’ve been subjected to you know the the torture over the weekend hearing that jingle great question I would say that the ad people would probably tell you that the torture puts it into your brain like how many if I started singing the Burger King theme song ex probably be able to sing along with it so like the you know hidden I guess earworm that it puts in your brain is probably worth it to the ads but man does it feel annoying in the 50th time you’ve seen it in the last two hours even watch very much go I I watched not even the full back nine the today I literally got back in town today and I was sick of it by then I a ton of tweets all week of like about this bbo thing I’m like yo I missed Thursday coverage of the Byron Nelson guys I don’t know what you guys were talking about as soon as I saw I was like ah okay got it I’m up to speed here straight up assault like auditory assault or whatever the the term would be somebody needs to apologize for it will out tus wded from this event not a great sign uh for the B stuff Su you’re the zotus expert I’m G to kick this to you what what do we to think of will being out I wouldn’t say I’m the zotus expert I’m the back uh injury expert as it relates to golf though I can tell you this is not a good sign um he for especially for a HomeTown event for him um I don’t know maybe he really didn’t want to play Craig James and was just like yeah guys the back is not great I’m sorry to bail on this but uh not good for some of as was out for almost a full year with after surgery if if it’s still lingering then that’s tough with major championships uh around the corner here that should in theory suit his game pretty well Jordan spe also missed the cut in this event he had some interesting comments earing the week said that Scotty sher’s success had sort of motivated him and he felt like it was the first time he had looked up to someone looked at someone younger than he and uh felt completely like I man I do not have that guy’s game like that guy is Miles and Miles better than me uh and then went out and and shot to a two mediocre rounds big any any spe insights you could throw out I mean I kind of buried him a little bit the Masters being like whoa it’s it’s getting to be a long time in the rearview mirror since you’ve had a truly great tournament uh you know I was thinking Midway through the morning I was thinking man what if Jake knp has two more victories than Jordan SM has in the last couple years that would be quite unsettling yeah it’s it’s really sad what a disaster for the tournament organizers be can’t even make the cut um just I don’t know it’s it’s sad it’s they they’re talking about uh I believe like a wrist issue that is dealing with and a lot of speculation how how bad that is and all the difficulties that is that is causing his his golf swing where you know he could be at the top of his swing he could be through the ball he never quite knows where it’s gonna flare and pop up so I don’t know sounds like a terrible situation speed I I don’t know I I honestly more than ever um I said at the beginning of the year if he doesn’t win a major this year like he’s he’s he’s on the deceased list with Rory like the guy no juice filling up I feel like he’s just another guy until he proves to us that he’s not like it’s at this point it’s on him I’m I’m writing him off until he makes it uh so that I have to start paying attention again this is the worst iron play year of of spe’s career um aside from 2019 which was uh when when he was kind of in the pits of Hell uh of his game you guys tell me this and I know this is uh in the number weed stuff but tell me what sounds like the outlier when I go through this quickly 1.4 1.5 2.6 2.0 2.5 1.4 7835 1.6 one 1.25 1.16 what sounds like the outlier uh when you go through those numbers the 2.5 ones ear I was say the small one the three whatever 2015 to 2017 2.6 2.0 2.5 Strokes gained annually like those were the numbers and his best since then was 2021 1.62 but last three years 0.99 1.25 1.16 that’s massive like that’s that’s the difference in being the best second best player in the world best player in the world and being like 30th and it’s it’s been a long time it’s been it’s been like six s years now so well listen he’s you know he’s got this PJ tour board that he’s on they’re trying to keep Rory off the board Bo so uh you know who knows what’s going on with the internal politics that that’s a wear a lot on your game come on you know can’t can’t expect him to do the business of the tour and uh and play good golf maybe speaking of people who are not DOA Brooks kka before we get to that may I may I interest you uh as as you know as fellow golf enthusiasts we’ve come to appreciate the tradition of celebrating a round of golf with a round of cocktails at the 19th hole we are teaming up with blade and bow Kentucky 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as uh they were digesting the fourth consecutive not fourth consecutive but fourth win for Brooks kka at a live event Brooks always sort of tuning it up right in time for the PGA which is has been sort of his Mo of the last few years uh he mentioned in the leadup to this how pissed off he was about his master’s performance and how he was a little more motivated by that look he said I think the embarrassment of Augusta really kicked things into overdrive for me in terms of having to put my nose down and grind a little bit harder having to look my team in the eye and apologize for not looking to do that again said he had been working all through December uh to get ready for the Masters trying to sort of knock that one off his list and it felt like wasted time and an embarrassment when he finished 45th and then it was disappointing to have his own kid watch him finish 45th so it was cool to have him out there winning a tournament when he was there didn’t know kind of what was going on with his swing even the last few months that he couldn’t tell whether he was going to hit a draw or a fade over a second shot guys is Brooks uh gonna come in and win yet another PGA is I I suppose like maybe we should talk about Liv Singapore but Brooks is always more interesting to me when he’s trending upward when it comes to Major time uh yeah it’s interesting right I I I don’t quite know what to make of it except it it’s certainly better he’s got to see more out of Brooks and Majors before he buys no not Majors honestly I I hand up I didn’t watch uh a lot of live Singapore so but listen he he he obviously has found some type of form what I was going to say it’s it’s better to be coming into a major uh playing well I think than than not playing well so so you got to give him that uh I do think that he’s the type of guy obviously the major weeks um mean a lot to him and and he’ll do everything possible to to make sure he is at the top of his game so I I think it’ be great if he can get in contention and really be a factor at Valhalla I mean Brooks chasing major victory number six is certainly interesting I it goes back to like your guess is as good as mine though I have no idea and there’s a we don’t know quite what’s GNA happen with Scotty I mean I assume he’s going to play I I don’t know if meress had the kid yet or not and and what you know the Matha that’s going to do but if if Scotty were coming in his normal self I’d say you got a got a big Scotty Sheffer problem to deal with uh in in Louisville but it it it should be good I I think it adds to what will be a interesting major week in a couple weeks so like can we give Brooks Credit for at least going out and winning these Live Events I mean I feel like there’s some credit to be sort of received there for actually just being like you know what [ __ ] it If I’m going to compete in these things I’m actually going to go out and capture titles instead of just going through the motions with the the way some have way he could have easily yeah this is what his fourth uh live win how many PJ tour wins did he even have I don’t five I think I guess you count not counting Majors not counting Majors he uh his P his his entire list of PGA Tour wins includes the Waste Management Phoenix Open the CJ cup the Set uh the FedEx Sint Jud Invitational and the waste management again four PJ tour wins now he has four live wins um you could say whatever you want about that with the competition I I would not reach any conclusion personally on what that would look like but what I find noteworthy he won Liv Orlando the week before the Masters last year and finished T2 at the Masters going into the PGA last year he finished third and T T5 at Singapore and Tulsa uh before the PGA that he won obviously at oakill so I was just kept mentioning him in front of the Masters because it was like I I’m not going to fall for it again he almost won it last year he does this at Majors he’s healthy now like when he it was truly just that time where he wasn’t healthy he was uh not competing in these things and he was totally uncompetitive at the Masters which was really disappointing but the form is obviously back uh he finished in the top 10 at Adelaide as well you made a great point there Randy of like we just a question mark around chefer of you know first of all sheeler’s never won outside past the month of April uh you know wild he’s won two major pumpkin both have been at the same golf course that he’s just tailor made for now a lot of golf courses are very tailor made for Scotty right now but yeah absolutely take notice of Brooks heading into one of these uh another major he’s won three pgaas already uh as it is Valhalla seems like could be a good faty finish T15 there in 2014 which is again 10 years ago I don’t put a lot of stock in other than to say like there’s there’s no reason valhall wouldn’t fit his game very well the setup will be tough same strategy he deploys at major championships that he’s won he’s gonna do here um I I he he will be at the top of my he was the first thing I mentioned going into the Masters pod of like storylines I’m interested in and he’s going to be near the top as well uh because I’m just not I don’t think another major is going to go by where I don’t fall for it and uh where I do fall forward and don’t mention them very early on Randy unlike you I did watch some of the live Singapore although I did not stay up through the night to watch it I watched the replays of it uh thanks to all the live fans who told me that I didn’t know how to find the replays whatever was too dumb to figure it out finally figured it out uh I I do can’t to say that I I still can ever really get used to the broadcast uh I feel like Arlo white just continues to scream like it’s a Premier League goal what a moment on every single chip in uh but it was fun to watch Brooks hit some good shots I will say I I love that Brooks can’t help himself in sort of kind of tweaking live people even though they sort of live in a deniability there’s a couple quotes from his press conference he said when there’s more on the line it actually feels like real Golf out here which I enjoyed and then he said it doesn’t mean anything in this scheme for the next two weeks uh which is just like he always kind of has like a little Barb that could be flipped either way which I I tend to enjoy the press the team smash press conference this week I saw a clip of this just uh talking about guys that are trying for uh qualifying for the US Open just the fact that he doesn’t wear the team gear is like kind of all you need to know about it it’s kind of he’s the captain and doesn’t wear the team uniform is uh I I I think I’m ready to declare team smash might be my team uh on live by the way well won’t you feel good when Nike finally buys them for a billion dollars or whatever I’ve been told is going to happen happen uh it did Brooks did have one great quote that I thought sort of asked him in the presser why he played well under pressure and he said you know what I think I’m pretty good putting inside eight feet if there’s a clutch putt I do feel like I’m gonna make it the biggest thing I think that separates me is my ability to lock in and go somewhere where I think a lot of guys cannot go which I think is a true sort of insight into Brooks’s kind of killer mentality particularly in Majors uh I’d be remiss if we didn’t mention that TC’s clicks hit the podium for the first time year The Crushers finished 11th which was their worst finish not on the show why is he not on here you know taking a victory last I feel like if the cleats were going to hit the board we’re going to win that maybe we’ had to have TC do a Callin but uh even he couldn’t be moved to to go ahead and do that uh there’s some notes in here that is is Kevin naw the worst C Captain manager in the history of the sport the iron heads and Majestics continue to stink I got to say I don’t really care that much uh if you guys want me to SP more time on that I will but uh I’m not interested I do want to talk John ROM though it goes back to like if if you want me to get invested in the teams then like we got to talk about that you got to have a draft you have like you have how do these teams come together like you can’t just walk up one day and have a team and like you can’t trade Matthew wolf or Taylor guc and then not like and have people actually seriously invested in these teams it’s only going to be laughing at the cleaks if uh if this the Majestics have three captains they have three captains out of they four total players three of them are captains they finished last by six shots this week as a team and they finished 32 shots behind uh Ripper who won they finished 17 shots out of 11th Place like it what are we doing I would not hate just for the sake of fun doing an entire podcast about Liv like every team at the end of the year like just like all right this is how this team needs to get better these guys need to get cut some of these contracts got to be coming up like there’s there’s got to be guys who are a little nervous we don’t know nobody knows it’s all a guess uh all right but I do want to do I want to do a quick check in with John ROM finished 10th this week this his worst uh finish as a Live member he’s now finished third eighth fifth eth fourth third and 10th is kind of what I was alluding to a little bit Sly and they’re like at least we give you know Brooks Credit for going out and getting these victories I kind of thought Rah would like just like win every week uh when he went to live uh is there something kind of you know busted with his competitive uh you know fire I guess with this or is it just kind of like hey golf is hard even when there’s 20 guys who you compete with it’s not been you know pick up the same John ROM and and place him in there I mean his his Strokes gain number is down as low as it’s been since 2018 um so he has not played as much golf I don’t know how to reach a conclusion there I mean it’s it’s I I would honestly need like more data like anecdotally you can make the argument like yo lift players have played great in Majors look at this they have Cam Smith they have blah blah blah or like you could make the case like hey there’s been seven Majors since live golf started six of them have been won by current active like at the time PGA Tour players like if you know once we get to this will be this will be the eighth one PGA Championship will be eight that’ll be eight full major since Liv has been in existence you either got to reach the conclusion that like Liv is not preparing these guys very well to play in Majors if a if a PGA Tour player wins this one that’s seven out of eight either reach that conclusion or the talent isn’t nearly as good at live it’s got to be one of the two if that’s the point right at that point so uh it’s not it’s not like a snap of the fingers super easy for John ROM to show up and win one of these events but like mathematically if you want to look at it like the live Singapore is easier to win for a player of John’s skill level than the Byron Nelson is just based on the field size the members of the field uh and that’s that’s just what that’s what it tells you that’s what the data tells you so yeah it’s it’s not been that many events seven starts this year six Liv starts that you know that would be to win one would be you’d be winning 16% of the time that’s a lot so I I I’m not totally alarmed by it I just it’s just been kind of meh which is like the worst possible result like it’s it’s it doesn’t make me feel anything other than like still feel like he and Scotty were on the precipice of having one of the Great Golf rivalries of our time and if he’s not gonna if he’s going to show up at the Masters and finish T45 this is a really sad development uh in his career but it’s only been one major and I hope to still see him be competitive in the other Majors I I really though can’t pretend to care what he actually does in live events that would be that would be disingenuous of me I don’t know if you guys feel differently uh no I would like to see him be more competitive in Majors but if you know if in the Scotty rivalry he’s going to be the Drake to to Scotty’s Kendrick Lamar then I’m gonna go ahead and feel disappointed in that one in the pre-tournament press conference Taylor G said he will not attempt to qualify for the US open at Pinehurst no fall question as to why this was but he just said that he was not going to qualify uh big is this the biggest [ __ ] move you can possibly imagin from our guy Taylor G yeah I think so I think so I listen I have go out and and qualify and and shove it in the usga’s face right I I think that’s the track course of action I would like to see somebody in his position take and that he’s ch in the exact opposite I I can’t really get down with that and frankly you know larger Point like Taylor G is getting so much oxygen and here we are talking about him and I’m just like why why you know why why why why why so I I think larger Point like who cares about Taylor gu but on this specific point yeah dog go go go earn your way in and and ball out and and then you know and then you can can talk all the [ __ ] you want I felt worse for him last year because I do feel like the usj sort of change the rules a little bit with the Tour Championship stuff and could feel sympathy a little bit there being like this is a I’m trying to make a philosophical point about how if I was in the top 30 of the Tour Championship I should still be that was what qualified for the US Open this year he doesn’t really have any sort of excuse other than just being sour quitter I mean sa you’re you’re trying to qualify for the US Open maybe he’ll he’ll take Taylor Gua spot right uh I’m I’m going to at least give it a shot I’m not afraid to to go out there and uh I mean we’re not going to film it this year but listen I’ve put an 82 out on film for the world to see uh and I’m going back to the same Golf Course tomorrow uh to try out try to qualify for the US Open but it is a taking your ball and going home thing like dude if you were that good you would go qualify if you cared that much about it you would go qualify like he’s so wrapped up like in the political nature of all of this as if he has as if it changes anything for him like he I don’t know I he wasn’t even supposed to be in this league it was an accident he he thought he could just play Live London and not get suspended and then had like back his way into joining this league and now he’s like one of the ones riding the hardest for it it’s uh it just so much money yeah just does not seem like an intelligent person I’m sorry to say but it just does not seem to be the case he a very nice person I will say I’ve had a couple dealings with him and always thought he was very pleasant but I would agree not the most worldly sharpest person out there uh I I don’t think we really need to spend any more time on live I did see that Anthony Kim how much real quick just I have I have two uh two trivia questions when it comes to live and one of them can be this without looking team and everything involved how much money do you think Taylor G has made from Liv golf oh I I think it’s almost million so not including his signing bonus correct we don’t even know if he got one yeah uh I would say gosh yeah I would I wouldn’t go as high as Randy I wouldn’t say 50 I would say 35 million I would listen to Big Randy because it’s $53 million holy [ __ ] they’re giving away a lot of money at live his live earnings would be 15th all time on the PGA tour he has made more uh from Liv golf than John ROM made on the PGA tour on course Jesus I mean look if you’re not a serious person and you do not really care about playing in majors and winning Majors then this seems like a great deal for you well I don’t get is like dude you got all the money now you got all the money like aren’t the majors kind of how you want to imprint your name in history I I can’t imagine not wanting to give it a go I mean unless you’re just too scared of like if I don’t qualify I can’t take the the public backlash which there would be you know but I I would have more respect for him going and trying and putting his name on it than just refusing to to go try it would be pretty easy to make a joke about it too like you shoot about around be like oh yeah guess what they said I was you know they what they said was true like I’m not not like not good enough so I’m going to go back and make another $50 million on this other tour so you know enjoy that one haters like it wouldn’t be that hard to kind of like brush off how much money do you think Brandon Grace has made from Liv golf I have no idea on well now my calibrations are completely off so I got to say $25 million 29 million uh which is roughly equivalent to what H morawa has made on the PGA tour W all right sounds great that’s and it’s made a huge difference right in with a perception of of the league and everything those guys those seat fillers right there they’re they’re really important 160,000 people watched uh the final round of Liv Adelaide on CW uh of course it was on replay and I’m sure a million point 1.4 billion people watch it on caffeine TV and on the on the apps I’m sure all that’s the case but no I let me just say that we that might be how many watch the the CJ Cup Final Round going to be very low I did see big that uh the WNBA chose not to uh put Angel Reese’s first game on there so some fan preseason preseason yeah and some fan live streamed it and it it got 400,000 views so that that’s a good uh sort of I think uh weighing against what how where golf stands in the viewing Public’s interest at the moment if that’s a preseason WNBA game with a potential star is getting twice as many views as a league that’s handing out $ 54 million toh but you don’t know how many billions are watching on the app right that’s that’s what we don’t know uh I did see that Anthony Kim uh had had a actually pretty good couple rounds early but then or first round and then first round 7575 it’s all you are asking kind of does anybody care I’ll say I started following Anthony Kim on social media and it’s become kind of the one thing that I feel like I’m mildly sit in and live every week so I’m still kind of tuned in a little bit DJ and I had a sort of a long uh Email exchange back and forth earli this year that we ran in our sort of pen pil segment about what to expect from Anthony Kim so I’m I haven’t quite given up interest yet in it but I’m I guess I I never really thought that he was going to be a star but I do like seeing him with his kid and seeing him you know healthy and sober and looking like he actually is having a good time so best case scenario it it helps I don’t want to say literally save his life but save his life give him some purpose um you know hopefully he gets personal satisfaction out of it I don’t think it’s going to be a needle mover for live I don’t I I really don’t have a problem with him like eating a a spot in the field he’s like an add-on to the field you know it doesn’t really change a whole heck of a lot for me um other than when he does beat some of your the captains of other teams that’s probably a pretty tough look for some of people gave long-term contracts to but it I I said it when the first week out it’s knowing a little bit about the back story just the whole thing makes me feel really icky in general of just feels like he’s being taken advantage of like he’s going to make a lot of money in the process but like like I said there’s just a lot complicated pass that he’s kind of hinted at a little stuff here and there and I I don’t know when when or if we’ll get the full story but uh it just I don’t foresee him ever being a serious competitive golfer again this is obviously not serious competitive golf like what he’s playing now H granty has some time to figure it out and is not expected to be competitive this early on but it is just the whole thing still makes me pretty uncomfortable I’m rooting for him I just don’t think his his I don’t think what I’m rooting for is like tied to success on the course though for him if that makes any sense well said well said I while we’re on the subject to live I want to sort of touch on Phil mikkelson who uh during the sort of prepress conference thing kind of hinted that he might be close to retirement uh was sort of a Bloomberg article that I think tried to maybe blow that up a little bit more but he did say that I’m kind of near the end of my career uh we’ll see if he’ll sort of hang on but then in more recent days liil Phil sort of took to Twitter again uh and after having a few energized coffees perhaps and and kind of popped off a little bit about saying that uh you know if if Liv players were not going to be invited to Majors that maybe a maybe what if no Live players attended in a now deleted tweet I will sort of read off here maybe some Live players won’t be missed Mickelson wrote but what if none of the Live players played would they be missed what about next year would even more great players join or the following year at some point they will care and they’ll have to answer sponsors and television f f Foo which I assume as means [ __ ] around and find out uh I’m gonna go ahead and say that I don’t think or I would love to see it happen if Phil trying to convince Brooks Kea and John ROM to skip Majors to make a philosophical Point that he’s been trying to make about whether Liv players should get owgr points but again Phil deleted the Tweet so it’s impossible to know whether he where he actually meant this or whether he just uh was kind of in his bag a bit you know big Phil Phil was our guy for a long time uh he’s become you know quite the the living Twitter troll uh should live players just blanket refuse to come to majors and see if they people want to [ __ ] around and find out I mean I I won’t tell them not to if if they feel strongly enough that they’re getting black balled as a as a group then hey if if if they want to band together and exert some power as a as a quasi Union then let’s see what happens talk I just imagine Brooks kka all he actually cares about is winning Majors imagine him doing the Rudy thing laying his jersey down in Mike Juan’s office of like because Abe aner does not have a spot in your tournament is not earning world ranking points I refuse to even compete against the likes of Scotty sheffler imagine that Imagine John ROM be like no until Taylor G gets a special exemption in this tournament I’m not g to play in this tournament Phil’s 54 like imagine Phil not playing the Masters right like I can’t imagine him willingly skipping a master’s year I it none of it makes sense uh but again hypothetically speaking if if if they felt that strongly and wanted to act as one body then it’s it’s interesting I you know I I’d be here for it but I I just can’t ever see it happening uh I just I want to ask just briefly I don’t want to spend too much time with this but as a philosophical question how does Liv and the piff benefit from having Phil sort of be like one of the frontf facing things of their Enterprise though is there a future that exists where like they kind of realize like maybe just cutting Phil loose is sort of a better thing like he’s very polarizing a lot of guys don’t want to sort of be back together with him he doesn’t have any kind of interest in the Union reunion with the PJ tour stuff like I kind of feel a little bit like maybe the piff may be like you know what like we kind of got what we needed out of Phil like we we we got enough credibility to start the league we got a blueprint for it now like like just kind of let him figure out if he wants to go and play on the Asian tour like we don’t need him he’s not a very good player he’s not really bringing fans in is there a future where there’s no Phil I mean does Phil really think that yosar is gonna be loyalty versus like the actual profitability of live at some point and joining forces with the PG tour if Phils was one of the people standing in the way of that s I’ll jump in here to to answer first I I I think I yes I think yaser should be loyal to Phil I think Phil remains very popular with a large swath of golf fans he is polarizing he’s he’s not as universally beloved I think where Phil’s real value is kbv and I was thinking about this question because you would put it in the agenda early today I I I think him moving from competing in Liv to being a broadcaster for Liv is a very interesting and potentially exciting career move and and something that he is very very good at he he is excellent about talking about golf breaking down what it what what shots you know what it requires to hit certain shots what it means to try to do certain things like that’s where I see all of his value going forward and live it’s not as a competitor that’s a great great point I was going to say like they’ve one thing I’ll give Liv a lot of credit for and Bryson in particular they’ve really upped the game when it comes to content like they had a fun little thing uh with Phil and Bryson talking about grinds on wedges and things like that just walking down the Fairway I was like dude that like bring me in on some of the personalities that you have here right like that’s that’s one thing you do have going for you and yeah I don’t I don’t need Phil rolling around in High Flyers capes uh to be entertaining but yeah him on the broadcast talking golf would be uh I mean it would it would get me to tune in more often just because you’re waiting him on a live broadcast would be so unfiltered he would say some outrageous stuff uh it would be that’s a really really good point Randy and I’m guessing probably had a four-year deal I mean after next year it’s up and I I don’t know what’s G to happen Liv is looking like it’s G to make it longer than I thought it was gonna make it and uh if there is something coming back together I would guess next next year would be the last year for Liv as we know it um I don’t know that I’ve heard nothing that would make me think that that’s imminent anytime soon but um I don’t know I it’s super interesting question in general is what happens with this next round of contracts with Liv I mean one we don’t know what they look like but two like do you reup like Danny Lee or do you again throw a hundred million at wam Clark now or do you go who Tony feno what if you double yeah it’s gonna be guys like that I feel double his offer and like how do you turn that down at that point like if PJ tour is not going to get back to I don’t know I that’s that’s an interesting question I think it is still totally antithetical to what I like about Pro Golf and not where I’d like to see the game go which I think is well documented but uh it’s I don’t know how you just kind of re they have so much dead weight there now I don’t know how you just sign that that’s a huge flaw in their model though is like you have to keep paying exorbitant fees for these to retain the talents of these guys uh again if it was a serious sports League it would not work out but it’s a sports watching exercise so we’ve been through that I think I think that’s covered uh guys I don’t want to spend too much time recapping the China open as I don’t think any of us really watched it but uh Adrien UE who was a live player before we do that can I tell you about our friends uh at Omni Resorts and the Omni golf collection um uh as the official Hotel of the PGA Tour omni’s impressive golf lineup spans 13 can’t miss destinations from coast to coast 28 courses in all from Championship designs by iconic like Gil Hance William Flynn and Bo Welling multiple short courses putting courses even leading non-traditional and interactive experiences no matter your skill level you’re B bound 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this was I think only really other relevant uh thing news of this was that Sebastian’s Soderberg and Japan’s K Nakajima were all earned spots in the PGA Championship by virtue of their finishing top three in the Asian swing rankings that is actually part of what set Phil off as if people were uh complaining uh that Liv was not getting spots into the PGA and yet these guys in the China open were uh in other major news guys uh Tiger Woods got a special exemption into the US Open very much expected s uh should should tiger just be able to get like an unlimited amount of these I believe Jack got eight of them Arie got uh seven or eight of them uh what what how long should tiger be able to get a sort of a free pass into the Uso tigers’s one of one as long as he wants long as he he’s not GNA play past embarrassment right he’s not going to go once he’s shooting 85 and up like he’s going to be done with this so as long as he wants to play long as he can uh you know somewhat get the ball around and and get through however many holes he needs to get through uh ideally 72 he should take them all tigers are oneof one just move on he’s he golf still needs this guy they still need the viewers if he wants to be involved with leadership and kind of guiding the game of golf going forward at all he knows he can have an impact still through uh just showing up at a tournament so even beyond that I feel like you earn a lot of credit for having won the USGA Junior three times the Junior am uh three time the American us am three times and the US Open three times like you you’ve stacked up a lot of USGA uh sort of you should get one Title One you get nine how about that how’s that for an answer uh Z one of the reasons I was hosting today is because you were off at Bandon Dunes this weekend uh it was the 25th uh anniversary of Bandon dun’s opening this year uh I would love to hear I’m sure the people out there listening would love to hear like what was your Bandon experience like this time how many uh trips was this for you and and really I I’m kind of curious what changed in the last few years uh since your first trip to Bandon Dunes I was actually kind of surprised with how much has changed I mean that it’s not been uh under reported on I just unless you unless it’s right in front of me I I I struggle to keep track of some of these things right I I kind of forgot there was a new short course opening up out there you know see some stuff pop up and and all that the uh the pre the the Shorties the the new 19 hole course that’s kind of out by abandon Trails kind of out by the third hole past the third te if Bandon Trails is where you would enter this this new place um it is it’s fantastic uh it is freshly opened it’s got uh fresh sod out there like it I was amazed at how great the turf was to hit off of the Acoustics from that video are going to be amazing I mean it’s just as flush of turf as I’ve ever hit off of definitely at Bandon Dunes but uh the greens still need some time to grow in they’re you know they Fescue and they’re you know they’re not lightning quick yet not that a part three course needs to be but it was so much fun it was uh 19 holes vers 13 at The Preserve it was it just kept going and going and going and it was uh it felt like a full round of golf it had holes up to uh seven or six iron I think on it and and a hole that was 39 yards I think over a ravine uh trying to generate some spin uh off the off the turf there try to hold a green was just it was awesome it was really really cool uh that was uh uh Rod Whitman Dave axley and Keith cutton that did the uh did the Shorties course there and another great addition preserve has been it busy at preserve like it’s hard to get a tea time at Bandon preserve it’s only 13 holes but like and know as I get into my late 30s 36 holes of walking is is a lot to do in a day now whereas like 18 holes plus a par three course is a great great day of golf and it just was hard to get out and preserved but now that there’s two short course options and they’re both different and unique and both really really fun I was really impressed with shorties I I was ready for it to not feel grown in or you know kind of feel like an add-on but it was definitely additive uh to the resort so excited about that was there a uh tell me about is there a new sports bar behind Old Mac there is it’s like a full on massive restaurant like it was epic like it’s really really really cool it’s an awesome spot to sit out by uh outside it was raining the whole time that we were at Old Mac but uh they had an awesome dinner for us one of the nights and uh just massive ceilings in there big TVs uh incredible menu great place to hang that that’s kind of always been lacking down there at all MAAC but it’s another the food all week was it it went from in my previous visits I just remember saying like hey the food is like a solid three star like it’s it’s not not Michelin star but like three out of five star of like everything you need after a day of golf nothing more nothing overly fancy it’s perfect and now it’s like dude it’s getting it’s getting kind of Next Level out there it was really really really impressive um and I got another thing to report Randy we we talked a lot about your old maake it’s it’s it’s been your favorite course at Old Mac you got you got uh your stock is rising if I may say W because the uh Fescue greens at Old Mac are gone uh and it is all POA now which is an entirely different aesthetic and entirely different playability it really uh the greens just look the mounding within the green surfaces is just highlighted a lot better with the green grass versus the kind of Sandy Brown that was on the Fescue I always struggle to put the Fescue uh grass I did I never like the greens there such greens such hard greens now they are pure they were the best greens out they by far they’re awesome to put and uh Old Mac just like continues to rise uh it it’s it I I will never understand the people who are like oh no we’re not playing Old Mac we’re we’re just doing the other four big course I’m like nah dude Old Mac is good so I’m I’m happy to hear that I I can’t wait to get out there and see the new greens it still has like three holes that I would I would start like 10 11 12 stretch the Redan and the road and the Bottle Hole I still think could could use some that’s the only thing that puts a sour taste in my mouth this beginning is so good the ending is really good I really love playing Old Mac I still I I said this as well I still think it’s my fifth rated course at Bandon but I still think between 10 Rounds I’m spending two on every course that is that’s the the nitpicking we’re doing between the golf courses at this point yeah yeah so you brought up the greens a lot of talk on social media in this month coming up I’m sure you got a lot of DMS on the way in there what what are the greens going on what’s happening there with the greens so a lot of pictures were circulating of an issue they’re having on the Bandon Dunes greens which if for those of you are not up to speed it has been the worst winter they’ve had up there the most rain possible didn’t rain almost the whole time we were up there this past week this coming week it’s supposed to continue raining they missed their window to punch the greens at Bannon because of how bad the rain was during the week that they were supposed to punch and there are I don’t know probably six holes that have big spots in the greens that are are relatively it’s ugly it’s not good like there’s no way around it other than to say we played it as G ground under repair and I think we had one I had to move one ball that I hit into 15 over four feet to the right and just to get out of putting on the brown stuff and it was totally fine like honestly it looks way worse than it plays it did not bother any of us it did not affect our experience in the least by the time if you have a trip there planning like going the summer everything’s gonna be totally fine probably by the summer um some of the greens that they had punched like Pacific and abandoned Trails again the weather’s just been not good since then and they’re still kind of coming out of a punch and then not rolling that true Bandon greens I thought rolled the second best next to uh next to old Max like the parts that were healthy rolled completely pure whereas you know the pack they and they are going to punch Bandon at some point when they get a window where they can do it but honestly a lot of people fretting about it a lot of people worried about it a lot of people kind of slamming them on it and uh if you we played it in the worst that it will be like every single week from here on it’s going to get better I would say it maximum brought our enjoyment of the trip down 1% the absolute maximum I mean if if you let the current state of the greens uh affect your trip in any way you’re doing Bandon wrong like it’s like the most fun place to go play golf uh I’m I can be a little bit of a snob with some of these things on conditioning and I can promise you it just did not affect my experience it just did not uh I think the second green at Bandon I had to putt through some bumps that were near the hole that green was not in great shape there’s there’s 90 holes there sheep Ranch was not open while we were out there there’s 90 holes there if you have one hole where you have to putt through some stuff uh and it ruins your week you’re you don’t go to abandon like you you don’t deserve it all right so uh that’s my report uh Do Not freak about it do not fret about it everything’s going to be fine out there and even in the worst possible spot that it could be in as of right now it’s only gonna get better as I said from here on it did not uh injure our experience in any way so uh anything changed about your your rankings uh s there everybody always wants to know the rankings of the courses any any sounds like two a piece two two a piece across all 10 I think so you know it would depend on the conditions right because we played pack in a very on a very benign sunny day which like going to go playing pack on a very bind Su day is great it’s so much fun it’s so enjoyable that was probably the Highlight round of the trip we our energy was just way high we weren’t hung over yet because we kind of went hard the night after uh after pack we were hung over forand Trails but uh it’s great my beef with pack has been it’s not playable in most of the Summer Wind or it’s not as nearly as enjoyable in the Summer Wind I think it’s poorly designed for the summer wind which is again uh picking nits really really really tightly but a lot of the holes do not play as well when the wind is coming out of the north but when you don’t get that wind it’s it’s very enjoyable it’s very fun push and I worked out our differences on our ranking of the courses vers uh pack versus Bandon we we’re able to reach some common ground I think in understanding what he really values out of a golf experience what I versus what I value out of it I made him eventually agree like all right Pacific Dunes is not a strategic golf course if we can agree on that that is the common ground that we need it’s it’s I think it’s overly penal on high handicappers and almostly honestly kind of pretty easy for low handicappers and I’d rather see of course Trend the opposite way in both directions uh I think Randy will agree with me on that take uh as well about Pacific Kev I don’t know if you’ll agree as well but uh he he loves the natural uh the nature of it in terms of the found golf holes the the flow of the routing and the walk that you’re on on the course and like way describ that I’m like man honestly that that part is better than Bandon I it is what I really value is like the Strategic chess match of a golf course and Bandon gives me that way stronger than Pacific does so I continue to rank it well above Pacific I’m curious I think that’s I’m big on Aesthetics like I like the feel of like the experience and that’s why I love trails and it’s Not a Hipster take like I legitimately if I could play any course every day if that was like a a country club I could belong to I would choose Trails because I just love the serenity of being in those corridors I love the the vibe of it I think the 13th whole stupid but like that’s okay like it doesn’t 14th excuse me it doesn’t ruin my experience of you know and if I played it 10 more times I might figure out how to actually like not make double there so [Laughter] no um well look I banon has is established enough credibility for me that where like if they have one Bad season I know like it’s a lifetime trip for a lot of people but you know it’s it’s just still like a great experience the thing I will just say about Bandon is that they never make you feel like they are doing you a favor I hate high-end golf courses that sort of like act like you owe them something by coming to them and giving them a bunch of money and Bandon always makes you feel welcome and makes you feel like hey you deserve to have a great experience here we what can we do is there any way we can make your experience better and I’ve always been appreciative of that I guess in the two times that I’ve been so cheers to another 25 for Bandon I hope 100% yeah um I and I I’ll say this too like the first time I went with my dad in 2013 was when they had a mosquito infest station and like we’re literally spitting mosquitoes out of our it was horrible like Trails was closed it was horrible and I still came back with like having the best golf experience I’ve ever had to that point in my life and so that’s one of those things like again if you get a couple greens that are not in perfect shape do not let it ruin what that place has to offer because it is again one of those places this was visit five that I’m just like dude I don’t have a fresh hot take for you guys there’s not a person in the golf world that doesn’t know this the place is just magic like it’s incredible there’s no diminishing returns in going back it is always sad to leave because now it’s hard to get a tea time back out there and you don’t know when you’re going to be back I don’t know when I’ll be back and that’s sad but like dude it is just magic it’s special there’s just so many highs we can’t we were trying to figure this out we were trying to figure out every person to name their five best holes on the property that is a way harder exercise than you might think it is really really really hard uh to just only name five it’s easy to name 10 but having to pick five was really really tough so there’s a there’s a little exercise people want to uh chime in on the YouTube comments to leave their five best holes be picky be particular Cu uh you’d be surprised what you have to leave out we might have to throw that in as a what’s burning at the kill house question uh for all of us make make everybody uh put their name on something promise that the readers you know they’re always saying suly doesn’t answer questions he just ignores them he just uses them for the tone of the show and I I TR one in so I you know I I just said I determined I would answer some mailbag questions of the people out there uh big this one caught my eye and I want to throw it to you just to kick off our mailbag section here uh this guy D Devon Anderson says in my DMs I’m a listener and enjoy the LPGA content thank you very much Devon but why do you all insist on calling the Evan and the Chevron fake Majors when especially Evan has been making at times larger investments in the Pro women’s game than the governing bodies compare purse size player experience and the fact that the PJ of America didn’t even have a major till about 2015 I think it’s hard to say you want more investment and undermine corporations that are making those big Investments to the women’s game Mr Randy I point the question to you answer for yourself here fake major yeah Jesus uh lpj is off this week man relax uh no I think I I listen let me just say I don’t want to diminish the the efforts and the the money that’s being put in by Evan amundi uh their Partners as well as Chevron like that’s that’s very good but I also think as as a the best professional women’s golf tour on earth like they have to have some standards about what is a major and what’s not and I think at the top of the list like venues matter okay we we talked about TPC Craig Ranch if you go look at the the course rankings in the state of Texas guess what TPC Craigs Ranch is like 32nd um where they’re playing the Chevron Carlton Woods no offense to the members at Carlton Woods they’re ranked 29th it’s just not um it’s not on par with where the USGA is taking the US Women’s Open it’s not on par now where the PJ of America and KPMG is taking that Championship it’s not on par with the RNA and and what they’re doing with the Women’s Open and I will say you know they mentioned the PJ of America wasn’t uh involved in the KPMG women’s PGA until 2015 that’s true so listen I I don’t want to excuse their inactivity for decades right but since they’ve been on board uh coming up on 10 years you know they’re they’re going to Hazel team they’re going to baltis they’re going to Congressional aronomink like these are Championship courses befitting of a major and the RNA wasn’t involved with the women’s British open until 2017 like that is just mindblowing unbeliev you know the first however many women’s British opens LPGA didn’t even recognize it as a major um and they didn’t always even play him on Lings courses so there there there is a lot of work still to be done but I think the Crux of it for me is venues uh more so than purse size or anything else um and so I also I I as much as and if you’re gonna have it at one course every year has to be a banger has to be special it has to be it has to you cannot be a run-of-the-mill golf course which both Evon and Chevron are right I mean you have some of the best players in women’s golf Americans have skipped the Evan through the years like Lexi Thompson famously won’t go over there because she’s like the courses Mickey Mouse like it’s very quirky it’s a gorgeous setting it’s a gorgeous setting from everything I understand uh the players all say it’s it’s kind of hard to get to it’s a little out of the way it’s it’s a long week just for the travel and and and the istics I have no problem with one or the other even being a major at this point I I think five is is a little gimmicky if you have two majors in the Evon and the Chevron that one you the Casual fan doesn’t they they couldn’t tell you the significance or the history of the event they they couldn’t tell you anything about the golf course it’s like what are we doing they’re they’re not really M I know we can call them majors and that’s fine and and we can treat them as such when we talk about you know Nelly Corda winning her second major but they I think it’s incumbent on the LPGA they they got to figure something out uh sooner than later to to make that fourth major and if they’re gonna have five the five Majors they they gota venue wise they got to be on par with the other three in my opinion well said and the more honestly like the more they can it for golf fans it it needs to mirror the men’s game as much as possible like I hate to like diminish it to that but men have four women have five and the fourth they KPMG women’s PGA equivalent to the PGA Championship US Women’s Open equivalent to the US Women’s Open AIG women’s open uh uh is equivalent to the Open Championship there is no equiv to the Masters and the other two that that’s so the other two are just going to feel like outliers like that’s just how it’s going to be so like the answer to me would be a women’s Masters like that that’s the fourth and that’s it like it’s those four and like compare imagine that a women’s major at Augusta National versus the Chevron at Carlton Woods like again that comparison is what we’re talking about here right here like it’s it’s not the same it’s it’s night and day uh the suggestion I’d made previously is and actually the the lpj event coming up this week is the founders cup which is is the LPGA that that they are honoring the founders of the LPGA so the 13 original women that that came together and formed this Golf League it’s it’s their most historically Rich event just in terms of like what women’s golf is and and what paved the way for the LPGA Tour I I if I were them and they’ve never asked me and I’m I don’t get a vote but I would take all that branding of the founders and I would at least attach that to the Chevron right and make it the founders presented by Chevron and then you have the tie-in with the history you can tell the story every year of the LPGA you can invite back it can be a homecoming right past champions uh luminaries of the women’s game like that’s to me that’s what the fourth major should be um but we’re just in this weird environment right now where um they they needed some money and and they gave some corporations promises that they could have Majors well said well big we’re gonna let you uh Beast out on that I know you got some other commitments that you’re going to go that’s your walk-off Homer that you’re delivering right there I’m going I’m continue to Su a little bit more here on a couple more questions cuz I all right let me let me just say enjoyed it boys thank you sorry to bounce I gotten a movie tickets to the movie Challenger so oh uh hot in the streets Zenia I guess I don’t know if you guys have ever heard of Zenia but I will have a full report next week we need to have a we need to have a golf movie that’s like the equivalent of Challengers that’s like you know a hot romantic sort of thing that people can they’re that’s buzzing with the people maybe that’s what the world needs to save golf all right big get out of here by Boys see you thank you all right suly I’m gonna I’m gon to keep grilling you here a couple things uh you know some dumb some interesting uh Twitter user Matthew Bellow asked if the pros had a karaoke contest who would sing What song Rory’s Don’t Stop Believing was a super cliche uh but in the end it kind of fit it got me thinking like what would you what guys would you like to see what sing what song I want to hear Phil Mickelson do his own version of hit him up look I I I want him I want that to be chess moves 32 through 37 uh I want him to air out all of his grievances but it’s got to be in rap form it’s got to be intense I don’t even know if that’s technically karaoke because I think you know I need him to change the the lyrics to you know include Monahan to include everybody that wronged him maybe I’m just too much into a Kendrick Lamar Drake phase right now of wanting to hear dis tracks uh so I’m gonna twist that answer into into that one that was the only one I come up with because that that one had my mind in a pretzel for most of my flight today uh I was thinking that J Monahan could sing Ain’t Too Proud to Beg uh that uh hoping that you know the victor hins of the world wouldn’t leave or the Scotty Shel wouldn’t leave is he even begging because like I don’t think he had a conversation with Rah before he left like I don’t even know if he is is treding to retain these guys uh good question I really I mean like serious answer I would love to see Brian Harman sing Friends in Low Places I think that would be just a a banger uh so like uh emailer Ben uh spinit asks we all agree that East Lake in late August is not an ideal place to host the Tour Championship it’s uh the extreme heat the boring setup it’s not even a top four course in Atlanta what course do you and the other Lads think would be the best place to wrap up the prestigious TOUR Championship I disclaimer here is that I I’m excited to see the new East Lake with Andrew Green redoing it right now some of the images look drastically different I don’t know if it’s going to be good don’t know if it’s going to be bad uh but it I would think it’s going to be good and better but it it at least it’s going to be different this go around that does not eliminate a couple of the other questions there the extreme heat uh uh a just kind of a sleepy overall it’s going to contribute to a sleepy overall Vibe I’ve I’ve always said this one or maybe I’ve just said it more loudly in recent years feels like this play this should be at Pebble Beach a TOUR Championship at PEB beach in August would be incredible it’ be great it’ be more Prime Time on the East Coast it’s an iconic venue that spans Beyond just golf Watchers on TV if you are even remotely familiar with golf you’re familiar with Pebble Beach I think it would people tune in for venues and they tune in when are on the west coast as well because the TV window is that much better and if you really wanted a prestigious TOUR Championship uh that’s where you would have it that that’ be that’d be my answer other than that like a Riviera one again I I always end up in the west coast but something out west on an iconic golf course that is a championship test that uh tests a variety of different skills would satisfy a lot of people that’s not what everybody Tunes in for but it’s what the golf junkies would want to see and a lot of casual fans would like to see it as well so how about Chambers Bay let throw that out there so I think it’d be great I I really do um I think a lot of people have sour taste in their mouth from 2015 still and don’t want to give at the time of day um ah get over that just the just the greens are bad they’ve been fixed for a while Chambers Bay rules not that I’ve played it but you know heard a lot of I it’s my favorite course that I’ve never played is what I’ve say about that because I really want to play it all right so uh listener Sam whitesman Kirker asks how many clones of you would you have to play to win a scramble the CJ cup uh I’ve listened to you on the uh your Augusta pod so I don’t know if something like this was a question but how many of sies would have to play to beat Scotty’s final round of 68 uh I don’t know what that’s two different questions right so how many if I was uh you know would I basically would I have to hit two balls for every shot or three balls for every shot uh and a Scramble with myself to win the CJ cup is the question and I think I think two is not enough and I think three is too many like I think I would win the CJ cup easily if I could essentially play a three-man Scramble with myself that’s not a brag that’s just a flection of the format like I’m not gonna make a bogey if I get two Mulligans on every shot on a single hole at Craig Ranch and only 22 under 23 under one this week like I I would have to make there’s drivable par fours there’s reachable par fives I’m probably playing the par fives in close toif close to 16 under if there’s four of them like you’re just again with that many Mulligans you’re GNA convert a lot of birdies so I think I don’t but I don’t know if one Mulligan per shot would enough I think I could I would easily break par with one Mulligan per shot but uh I the Masters one is different that would be still be pretty darn hard for me to get a lot of birdies from the back te’s at Augusta I think I think definitely a fourman Scramble with myself I would be I would beat 68 and I think still a three man that I would as well people don’t I think don’t quite grasp how like low you can go with a scramble right like especially a player of your like your scratch Talent like I mean I I could never win The Masters in any scenario with four or five but someone like yourself is going to put up you know is going to basically like make one of four putts like a lot of those times right if you have a makeable chance and it’s just probably not going to have many eight Footers for par anyways like you just are if you’re choosing between three of your best t-shots none of them are it’s not like all three of them are going to be in the woods uh maybe once or twice but even then your your best punch out your best chip like I don’t know it would not be that hard scramble wise but scramble formats are uh you know they’re a joke for a reason all right this is a long one it might be uh a better address than a longer podcast uh perhaps if Scotty wins the PGA but I did think it was sort of interesting Kevin I’m writing to asks I think Scotty might be a problem in terms of golf maintaining interest he’s playing some of the most brilliant golf we’ve ever seen it’s is listener Ben Pierce I’m sorry if I didn’t call that out it’s more or less Flawless when when a flaw appears he minimizes the damage his style of golf is Relentless and Brilliant but not interesting perhaps it’s just him he seems like a lovely man with great morals but he isn’t a superstar he is golf but then he also isn’t it’s is this because I’m growing to resent his dominance I think it might be part of the problem in declining us TV numbers if Scotty keeps dominating if think does professional golf have a real problem uh I don’t think so I think he’s kind of in the in the zone of like trending towards being more interesting because of the dominance right I I think even if it’s not the most Flame buoyant and fun style like at least it’s interesting it’s a great conversation piece for golf of like how long is this going to go on like is he one of the all-time best players is he gonna have Phil Mickelson’s career like I think that’s a good thing overall for golf it’s better than parody it is like there’s not that many interesting guys if we’re being honest so like one guy being dominant is better than like the wind spread between zot torus and Sheffer and morawa I think spe and roran are in a weird different category where they tend to do have this star power that Ben I think is talking about or they have an interesting something about them either the way they behave off the course or the style of play like with Jordan spe those thrill rides are different than the the Sheffer thrill rides we can all agree on that but I just don’t I think the list of guys that really move the needle that way uh is very very short in golf and I don’t I don’t see some of those guys coming back in that way so I don’t know I I tend to agree like it’s Bor I I’m in all of it because of how good it is right it’s not just that he’s the best but like how much he’s lifted and separated from everyone else is astonishing considering the current level of technology and we can say it every week and still doesn’t really do justice for how impressive he’s been and we’ve we’ve wanted a superstar in golf and I refused to do that oh not like this no not like this because I mean if Mor Cowell was doing this I think we’d be in this having the same conversation if ludvig is doing it are we having the same conversation I I would I would probably agree with that ROM maybe not as much just because he’s got a little red more red ass in him but um I don’t know I I’m interested in it I don’t think he’s the reason of declining TV ratings I think the sentiment of the sport uh is 1,000% the one contributing to that one I see a lot of people sort of grasping for like why are TV Rens declining it’s because everybody was really pissed off about like the hypocracy and the you know just money grab that it all went through it it feels I wrote this at the time like very much like the baseball strike of 1994 going to take I looked this up ke uh guess what the rating drops ratings drop were in 1995 uh after the baseball strike 20% guess what PJ tour ratings are down this year 20% you don’t you don’t [ __ ] with people in that sense they don’t want to be have it rubbed in their their faces and that’s what uh I think is sort of disheartening about all these people who just feel like they got theirs like they broke they broke golf in a lot of ways and but they got their so they don’t give a [ __ ] and getting them back is going to be even harder like once people’s habits change like getting somebody back into the boat is is really really hard it really is golf is a huge uphill climb in front of it uh speaking of that Corbett van writes what is a perhaps out of Spotlight Tour player if given more attention either deliberately through his own better play uh or something else I guess would be better for the tour is there someone out there who is fun or inspiring or even plays a unlikable anti-hero who would be good for golf I went up and down the player list to get an answer on this one Kevin I don’t know if I feel great about my answer but I do have somewhat of an answer here and that it’s Keith Mitchell is what I came up with about in that he’s one of the more interesting guys to talk to and one of the best personalities like I’ve we’ve done two podcasts with him and he’s awesome and we I want to do another one with him he keeps saying we need to do one where we just do fun stuff instead of super serious golf stuff but like he’s a bit like Max in terms of like you could listen to him talk about anything with the game of golf and he could make it be interesting engaging uh you know he doesn’t like he doesn’t that doesn’t necessarily come off on TV when you watch him and he you know he’s locked in being a competitive athlete but like off the course he’s a great hang he’s funny uh super likable guy I don’t know if it would like change golf you know if he was playing fantastic but he’s a dude that with a little bit more Spotlight on him I could see having a rise like Max in terms of popularity um and he’s got that kind of personality to match it my answer on this I guess I had twofold was if like Harry higs were like an actual like top 2 player the the Everyman quality of Harry and just the sort of the way his personality is the way he’s willing to kind of wear his emotions on his sleeve that would be I think really bring in a lot of casual golf people uh not a huge amount but I think we’re you know we’re sort of finding the the little sliver of people out there who could bring people to golf and I honestly if if Patrick Reed were a better player if he was like legitimately contending at every major and was like just a black hat wearing so I think that would try of draw a lot of people in because it would make them be like oh man I hate this guy I want to see him but I still want to see him take down like some of the white hats on the the BJ tour we had no idea how good we had it in like winter of 2021 when he was cheating at the farmers allegedly no sorry that not that word that word checking to see if his ball was embedded S Todd Xin writes I’m a Division one men’s golf coach I think I have an argument to say if I have one of the best jobs in golf you guys have a chance to interact with a lot of different people around the game from tour Pros to agents journalistic caddies outside of your own work who do you think has the best job in golf I thought about this one a lot today as well and the answer I came up with was there’s there’s nobody that I’m envious of and that’s not to say I think we have the best jobs in golf but there’s nobody uh that I would trade spots with I don’t that I can think of as of right now I bet you could you might be able to come up with something that I’d be like oh yeah that’s that’s better than this because I will say getting to see it up close like it’s not there’s almost nobody I know is enjoying a free ride through through any of this it’s awkward hours it’s a lot of hard work especially in golf like if you work at a golf course or a golf club if you’re a caddy if you whatever if you uh you know are a head pro or whatever like you’re near where everybody else is having their Recreation time and you’re working which is you know it’s it’s a great job to have but like when I’m at a pro golf tournament I’m working like it’s not I’m not there for fun I’m not walking around for fun I wouldn’t be there for fun to do what I’m doing there and I work Sunday nights I work Saturdays I work I work I took a day off last Wednesday uh I think it was the first day I’d had off in like seven weeks or something before I counted like it just people in golf work hard you work crazy hours it’s it’s around the clock it’s it’s um you know is does Jim Nance have the best job in golf I mean he makes a lot of money doing it and he you know shows up at tournaments on Fridays and and leaves on either Sunday night or Monday morning and but he works every weekend and he travels and uh it probably misses a lot of stuff at home and like it you know it’s it’s there’s weather delays there’s a lot of flights it’s just nobody has a a smooth ride through all of it and it’s it’s a lot of hard work to that goes into outside the hours you’re working a lot of hard work to make sure you’re good at the craft along the way as well so it’s true I do you have a better answer than that like do you have anyone that spring n is the one that came to mind I mean I could say the trollish answer and that like Greg Norman has the best job in golf because like you don’t actually have to like succeed or like actually adhere to facts you could just make things up along the way uh and you know so you you get to air out old grievances from you know 25 years ago that basically you’re still raging against uh so maybe maybe it’s Greg but I mean I think like if you respect the craft you respect someone who works hard like I you know I think N is a great answer I mean like I think brandle is an interesting answer too like brandle works very hard at what he does he’s polarizing we don’t always agree on stuff like but I enjoy how much he cares about uh you know gathering information and trying to sound intelligent and smart and I think live from is continues to be like a a you know bonus to the game when it’s at big events it makes it feel big so you know with how many people hate brandle I don’t know if we could say he has the best job at golf I love brandle as well I don’t always agree with him but uh and like he does a lot of Studio stuff like he’s traveling a lot it’s it’s dude no one has it easy or I haven’t I haven’t seen a lot of people out there that have it easy um is is one thing wrapping up here a few more Su uh is there any and I mean any chance that we get a competitive president Cup this year Duncan McDonald asks I think he’s a Canadian who’s Taylor pendrith looks like he’s going to may make that team it’s a home game for the Canadians that we’ll have uh you know Hideki and Jason day also playing really well this year young Tom Kim who knows if he’s GNA make the team but you know Sanjay minwu Ben On’s playing really well hell throw toasty into the mix could be something to monitor are we going to get a competitive Canadian president’s come I would not count out how much the American an could suck like I would not count that out after what we saw in Europe I just would not count that out uh I don’t know if I have that much faith in the president you know the international team Talent as much as I do like their process is really freaking good I mean they overachieved like crazy at qu Hollow on a course setup that was terrible for them a year they’re ravaged by Liv they were like flipping one or two matches on that Sunday from like one of the all-time collapses from the US team so will I like dismiss this president Cup team like I did the one in 2022 I will not I will not uh on paper it looks like pretty much all of these do that the US should blow them out but on the road us propensity to throw up a stinker in that first session when they’re on the road no matter what the event I would not count them out so is the perfect question for a couple of Country Club [ __ ] like you and I Cole leninger asked where do you see American public Gulf going in the future it seems that 2020 had a massive impact on the rise of recreational Golf and has made courses and Resorts more popular and there’s new springing up everywhere we’ve also seen tea time price and availability suffer for the common golfer as a result or even as third parties try to buy them up and flip them for profit where do you guys predict this will all lead us is the future of American public golf going to continue to grow for people or go the other way as a result and become more disparate and private does the PJ tour Enterprise impact this as all as well where what’s going on with American public golf which I know is close to our hearts because it’s what we grew up playing I was going to say I would resent the notion that I’m just a country club golfer because uh I I I worked at Country Club growing up I I learned the game at one Twin Oaks golf club which was a nine-hole course that has since closed to become a Housing Development uh I then you know played a lot at Shamrock Golf Club in Dublin Ohio which is of course closed and now a Housing Development uh and then worked at Riviera Country Club uh I was a member my family was a member there when for a couple years uh when I was in high school but then I worked there after that before it closed and became a Housing Development uh which is my way of saying like watch your back Tim auana until like land gets cheaper and until city starts stop sprawling out farther and farther and uh it until then I I I do fear for the long-term security of golf for the in the way that it’s asking by Cole here of like hey are we gonna get squeezed out like I go back to TC’s article he wrote in the golfer Journal several years ago like it’s the mun stupid like it’s on the cities to designate this is the green grass space that we are going to maintain for our city to go outside and have Recreation time on like if you want the answer for the common golfer like that’s that’s it for me or you’re going out towards farmlands on in remote locations uh to somebody that maybe is running a golf club that for you know at a loss for tax reasons or is a benefactor of some kind you either need a municipality to be taken care of a course or you almost need a benefactor like otherwise I struggle to figure out how it makes Financial sense that’s not that’s speaking very broadly for the whole country like there’s definitely regions where golf is cheaper and more manageable and maintenance costs aren’t what they are here in Florida or maybe in Baltimore where you live or where any of us live it’s it’s it’s really hard to speak in general terms when every Community is affected differently by this but it you know it it for me it’s like I I pay more money to to have Country Club membership because like I need the convenience I just don’t have like I can’t I don’t have a broad window of when I might be able to play right and I have to I overpay for golf because it’s a passion of mine and that’s like what the demand of the situation calls for right where I live in in in Jacksonville Beach in a uh an area where you can play golf 12 months a year so it’s I I don’t like I said I don’t see that any of that changing anytime soon that the demand is gonna be that high for people that are willing to overpay for for golf like it it’s I I don’t know I don’t know when that changes maybe the next you know bust in the economy but other than that I just don’t see it that part dying off I do think the growth of short courses and and lighted driving ranges and all that kind of thing is is kind of where I have more enthusiasm than like 18 hole Green Grass Golf getting more affordable and more accessible what do you think I think I think a lot of it depends on the region that you live in I mean just speaking to a little bit of like what you were talking about I remember very vividly my father when we would you know he would try to get me and my sister to play golf with him and my mom who wanted to play golf every weekend but couldn’t afford to be a country club member in in Missoula Montana and so he would get up at like 5 in morning when like the tea times became available a week from then on Saturday or whatever and he would start dialing the number of the thing the reservation system at largemont golf course in Missoula and you know the sometimes the you know the media the best thing you could get was like 10:30 you know you know even if you started at 5: in the morning because all these people were wanting to get those weekend tea times or whatever and that was the time that he and my mom could play with us right so the demand has been there in a lot of ways for public golf over time and here in Baltimore like you can pretty easily get a morning tea time at one of the either five City courses or the five uh County courses that we have here like and they’re honestly I think Baltimore public golf is sort of underrated because like it’s you can walk for 35 bucks at a course where conditioning is not that great but like it’s kind of a fun layout and you get sort of fun Windows of the city so I I sometimes when people complain about like yeah if you’re in Atlanta public golf might be shitty but like if you’re in the Philly area or the Baltimore area or hell if you’re in Nebraska or Iowa or Michigan whatever there’s probably a lot of options for you I get it in LA where it’s super frustrating right now where someone has purposely like manipulated the system B basically screw over regular people and try to flip profits which is what happens with kind of everything in life right someone tries to gain the system to make a profit that’s like capitalism to a te in a lot of ways and you know we allow it so I I it’s good that they’re looking to sort of solve that in La I do think like we can figure out ways to where you know courses could shave off areas like all right this is for family tea times right like this is where we’re going to say like dads can bring their sons or daughters or or moms can bring their sons or daughters and this will be how we’ll sort of reinvest in the game I think that that’s not too much to ask as a long-term growth investment for municipal courses around the country so it’s not always getting squeezed out but it’s like look when I see some courses that are like 190 bucks to play on a Saturday I’m like that whatever slight upgradeing conditions or architecture is not that worth it to to me and my friends we could play you know Northwest in in Montgomery County for 50 bucks essentially and so I I get the concern and the worry I don’t know like person asked does PJ tour Enterprises I I gotta imagine that PJ tour enterpris would only pay lip service to that kind of thing like hey we’re g to buy up a bunch of golf courses and make them available the the I don’t think that that would actually be a priority in any way shape or form to afford profit entity but maybe I’m wrong maybe that’s kind of part of the long-term strategic plan so obviously the golf has grown in popularity and that playing golf in some ways is now like more important to people than watching golf I think you can make that case uh but what that means for the future I don’t know I think that we do need to kind of distinguish between like hey ratings are down and golf is like is golf in trouble well you know what like on golf as a TV product might have a massive problems but golf as a you know an actual Recreation there seems to be a lot of healthy sort of growth in that last few years and I don’t know if this is in line with the question but I do still think there’s more room to grow on like the Resort front like these new Resorts that like are not outrageously expensive like by any means like it it costs a lot of money to go to San value and Bandon Dunes but like it’s three like in the summer Peak summer I think it’s like 350 to play your first uh round of golf and 175 to play your second which is uh you know 500 I can’t do the math off the top of my head 525 bucks or whatever it is to play two rounds of unbelievable golf for less than it cost to play Pebble Beach right it’s like there there’s room room for more of that if if Mike Kaiser and his sons want to keep going to build these awesome places Ben cow Ander want to keep going like it because the demand is there in all these places it’s hard to get tea times in all these places you can keep adding courses keep adding lodging people are still going to keep making the trips that that part gets has me excited more so than like my local course is going to be you know less crowded and more affordable like that those two things kind of go in opposite directions uh in terms of the profitability of the people that own it which is why a lot of get into the golf business so well I think that kind of wraps us all for a Sunday night I mean we we still managed to go an hour and 30 but uh at least we got some I don’t want to ever hear a reader come and come out and say we don’t answer questions from the mailbag again because I I put it to you sol and you came up with some good answers thank you for that thanks for taking over the hosting chair uh while I was coming in hot I got 9:30 tea time tomorrow uh for my my shot at I’m hope 200 should get through 100 maybe maybe close enough who knows have no idea what the course conditions and I’m coming coming in blind into this one but Ball’s coming out of the window right now love it heard you heard you might have had a good score out there abandoned despite the cides yeah it’s it’s it’s a good uh if I can hold a few putts who knows but I’m I’m solo it tomorrow no caddy no no camera no nothing I’m just gonna lock in and see what we can generate tomorrow so we got our also our Club Championship is coming up uh for nlu we should be have like paramutual betting for that like I should be able to place a wager on you for uh you know winning it all it says after I’ve declared been the best player maybe I’m going to flip now and put the pressure on Ben interesting gaming the markets I appreciate that so thank you everyone for tuning in for an hour and a half during TPC Craig Nelson uh Craig James week and uh we’ll be back next week we’re GNA have uh interview podcast coming out wednes overnight on Tuesday uh we will have a happy hour show on Wednesday we’ll have episode four of torus sauce Australia will come out Wednesday night we’ll have a live show this coming Sunday uh for Wells Fargo anything else coming up this week that I missed I put some notes in here yeah there’s Myrtle Beach this coming week and then the LPGA has Founders cup at Upper Montclair as well so and uh TC wanted to give a quick shout out to Ian finis cadd who’s recovering from open heart surgery I put that in there that’s that’s my guy Ian uh I love that dude he posted this past week that awesome dude uh yeah he is uh um recovering from surgery and hopefully he’s doing well and we hope to see him hope to see him back healthy soon so appreciate that Kevin thank you so much everyone thank you for tuning in have a good night cheers