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[Music] the show made of Legends to Big energy on Woodward Sports featuring four Stanley Cup champion Darren mcti and the golden voice of Neil rule sit back and relax it’s time for your daily dose of Big D energy yo yo yo what’s going on everybody welcome back to another episode of Big D energy right here on the Woodward Sports Network my name is Neil Ru that guy over there with his hands in the air it’s the only Victory he will get today is Sam flannel in for DM flannel what’s going on man ah good day to be on uh BD we’ve got a spirited show for you for you guys today we got some nickel packages in the second hour always one of my favorite of the week so uh I’m excited man I’m excited no absolutely we do and and there are going to be a lot of NFL draft Centric nickel packages as well I have some interesting Sports media questions for the people I and I’m proud of this one that I came up with like it might not be you know clicky hot take stuff but I I want to get the the vibe of the people because the Sports you love are coming under attack they are we shall see it’s very thought-provoking I will I will say that that’s all I was looking for Kool-Aid is in the sound Bo KO my guy yes sir good to run it back with you hey glad to be here some of my favorite people hey Mr Elite the president I salute the ab all right absolutely all right you know kg is here in the big chair today I am what up do I know y’all tired of see in my face but I’m still here what’s up with it still here still here we’re going to get into the lion’s uniform stuff absolutely um I got one segment we got to do on the Tigers and we’ll put that to bed and then we’re going to get really really draft heavy with it uh certainly fj1 1967 jump into the chat by the way subscribe to the Woodward Sports YouTube channel uh fj1 1967 Good Morning Neil and chat good morning FJ appreciate you uh tapping into the show and then there’s uh coob Zilla who says quote humble and hung that’s what we are here no it is so I’m I’m excited I love the Friday show I love the vibe I love all of it but I will say this oh flannel we are less than one week away from the NFL draft it does it doesn’t even seem real at this point probably because unlike unlike pre previous years the draft was almost like the Super Bowl for the Detroit Lions always having a top 10 pick wondering or wondering whether or not it’s going to be screwed up this year though it’s like I don’t I couldn’t see myself getting mad with wherever they go at 29 or whatever they do whatever they do yeah absolutely and and we’ll have we’ll have some discussions on it certainly you know as as we roll in to to the draft week but you know that you’re getting close to the draft win like a lot of those moments you’re seeing everybody circle the wagons for their last minute mock drafts and all that stuff and our own Lions Insider here Matt broer was in here this morning talking about his mock draft that will be coming out next week and and you can catch it all the way by all of it by the way on wake up Woodward uh 8: to 10 a.m. shout out however what he talked about spurned a whole side discussion that we’ve been talking about for the last 20 plus minutes here in the studio um sidess by the way read this one when you want to but I am done with elmago because I realized yesterday if we had an above average battery in his place uh hitting the Tigers offense would be pretty good three more years sidess welcome to the club yeah you could you could ignore you could be like the Sam flannels of the world and everything like that and ignore what he cost this team and ignore it and just say everything’s going to be okay anyway we got Friday Neil for show since what am i a h by as apologist he’s awful I’m wondering what took you so long sidess this is his third third year of being one of the worst if not the worst uh everyday player in in in in the major leag in theor absolutely absolutely but you also have some other candidates on this teams but we’ll hey we’ll get to that I told you we got a tiger segment we’re going to get you but you know that you’re close to the draft when you start heing the draft takes our own Matt broer who may or may not project lad makoni to the lines and look I see I I get where he’s going with it he makes a compelling case however he loses me when he says that he’s quote lightskinned enough dot dot dot or no he he said he had some light-skinned to him light-skinned to him yeah which same thing yeah pretty much he’s light-skinned enough now kg I go to you on this okay because you’re the host of the urban update yeah um name change coming soon name change coming soon you kind of keep us a breast of what’s going on you know in the black community yeah shout out and so I want to know because a is light-skinned quote light-skinned a draftable trait and then B can you bring me inside this whole light-skinned dark skinned uh riff I is it is it fair to call it a riff in the black community it is definitely fair to call it a riff and it’s been going on since the beginning of the time there is a secret War Brewing between the darker skinned folk and the lighter skinned folk of the black community um but is it a draftable trait no hell no especially in football hell no I mean what lightskinn well I won’t say that but what what how is that a draftable trait ask Matt broer I I don’t know he’s the one that said it it was a bad take by broer absolutely are my eyes deceiving me or is lad makoni as white as I am no your eyes are deceiving well nobody is as white as you are you know what I mean the clouds in the sky are not as white as you are my friend you do you burn easily of course I do you cook out there in the sun don’t need all that that SPF sunscreen and all of that but uh if I’m and I’m not defending this because when I when I hear what the he says lightskin is a draftable dra light skin to yeah it’s like what does that mean and how do know but that’s another another that’s a side conversation for a different day is it maybe because when you look at LAD Maki you might think he’s a undersized he’s white he’s just a slot receiver when actually he played the majority of his snaps out wide and is faster than you think and it’s more explosive than you think does is that what he means that he’s got some black in him as opposed to being white I tell me kg that’s kind of what it’s out there all right and Brer Brer don’t be on that type of time so let’s let’s put that out there but um that’s that’s kind of what it sounded like I don’t know what he necessarily meant by by that no no the point of the discussion is is like there is a Breaking Point to draft time yeah like when the engines rev up there and look it starts it starts all the way back remember they do like the mock draft before college football season before the college football season starts and that’s cute and that’s fun and all that stuff and then they check in again around bowl season and then people skip the bows there’s like a buildup a ramp up to this and stuff like this is real like that that stuff comes out there and yeah we’re joking about joking about it with broer a little bit stuff but you think Brad Holmes is in the war room like ah this is tough how light-skinned is he like on and and that’s not the point of it like we’re joking with it having fun and stuff like that I wanted to bring this up because I just I need to drill down to the root of the whole light skin dark skin thing kg I go to you as as the the the the the the caucus of the black community you inform me what happened so I I wouldn’t expect you to know this clearly cuz you’re not in the black community but now now hold on a minute you are I’m good in any Hood in Pontiac I I don’t have to announce my I don’t even have to to get approval to go in there I’m good trust me the me meal of Pontiac we are of Pontiac Pontiac Central High School I’ll I’ll hang out however this is more of a of a black issue so okay so I’ll give you the floor yes as black folks Services kg oh thank you thank you I appreciate that so uh as black folks would stay you got you would say you got to stay out of black folks business 100% so I don’t speak on things I don’t know about that’s why I ask exactly but no there’s been a quiet War Brewing between the lightskins and dark skins and it’s mainly because the lightskins they they act a little funny you know when they walk in the room they they’re a little more they’re a little more uh what’s the word um they have feminine Tendencies a little bit um they they tend to be a little more on the emotional side and US of the US of the Legion we don’t necessarily appreciate that so clearly kg’s a part of this war Koolaid where do you stand you not Hey listen man me and my brother he’s lightskinned I’m dark skinned we okay so you guys you know this intimately yeah definitely do definitely do man and and you know what the light skin thing it’s definitely like we said before the show it’s it’s a definite draftable trait in the NBA it definitely but not in the NFL the more light skinn the better in the NBA it seems like that’s what it seems like I I was not aware I was not I knew there was a rift I knew that and I just I wanted some explanation to it that that was all there was Kool-Aid said this been going on in his house what 20 plus years huh yeah man since birth man since birth man look me and my brother we and we compete on everything I don’t even know why it just is I don’t even know the reason behind the rift but like kg said it’s definitely a war it’s a battle and everything bro whether it’s playing basketball whether it was playing what growing up playing Nintendo or Sega whether it was women was going to get like yo one bowl of cereal left we’re fighting over it man it’s a it’s a battle all the way across the board but you’re right the women the women play a big part in that as well yeah they definitely do that’s probably top three biggest part of the beef right there flannel yes inform informative and entertaining Big D energy informative and entertaining I I wonder if there’s any riffs between you know the lighter the uh pale skinned like myself and the TANF I don’t I don’t know too many but uh well I mean the pastier usually doesn’t result in any uh Savory characteristics we’ll say that we’ll say it like that W sports.com chat through Detroit Supremacy # bulge Army imagine hating on a multiple time Allstar and gold Glover an NLCS MVP and a World Series champion elago is great oh my God great he I know lightskinn energy see now you now you see it now understand now you understand no I I I don’t I really don’t that’s very light-skinned energy of him to say that yes um but yes that that is it um I I’m treading lightly um yeah you should I I am not we are not going to discuss man ball yeah yeah let’s let’s uh let’s get out while the get good let’s p a parachute we uh Ryan says white people are feminine in a um I but we lighter skin uh let’s go Red Wing spy I uh J Junior rotch says Neil only discriminates against people with one furnace that is true I do not discriminate against them no you do I do not you do I do not uh let’s go red wi Sparty no mention of Russell Wilson we don’t claim him the dark skin don’t so where is he he’s definitely on the lightskinned end of things y anytime you you have your own Entourage and and lunges in the aisle of an airplane exactly lightskinn that’s lightskinned okay now you getting it informational and informative um burn says there is 100% of war between whites overtone not as much in America but it is real H seeting Lear something that and that’s why that’s why I bring this up because he I wanted to know for my own informational purposes yeah because I I collect information that’s what I do I just don’t make a Ras decision and jump on social media and say some stupid is no I don’t do that I take it in I take in the opinions of the people I trust and and keep it pushing shout out to the chat too man the chat is amazing yeah ABS absolutely that guy 62 LOL Neil um Mike G Neil is good on wide track in his Fiero I I’ll roll out on Pontiac Fiero I don’t I don’t care um Cat spot the big contracts for receivers are going to make the value of getting receivers on rookie contracts higher they are the new QB that’s fair they are that’s fair one more for the lightskinn versus dark skinn thing lfg at lfg he wants to know flannel what do you know about the red bones I’m interested to hear this what is that bean the the lighter skin um uh black women oh I don’t know hey just keep keep it at I didn’t even know I didn’t even know what you guys are talking about but I I appreciate you running it by me Andrew Schmidt is Patrick Mahomes lightskin he is clearly so you claim him yeah he we saw some of Patrick Mahomes light-skinned Tendencies this past year so with the with the sideline and oh that was that was a garbage call and you know it you know now now hold on here Jonathan Wilson lightskinn Drake and Prince dark skin Denzel in Training Day so you can you can you can be a dark skin in a movie you can I know it’s weird I I know it’s a lot it’s a lot for me to take in listen I understand we going to get you there though it’s it’s steps I’m learning you are I’m absolutely learning hey good stuff man thank you that that’s that’s why we did it no that’s what I’m here for uh yeah absolutely Chuck Brewer that was spoken like a newly married man by Sam flam y am I am I just uh ill informed cuz you mentioned red bones and I was like what may I I don’t know everybody says that I’m kind of a uh old man trapped in a young man’s body so maybe that’s part of it I don’t run away from it either uh Chris Neil is tight roping a tough conversation like a gymnast right now and I don’t think it’s a tough conversation no it’s not a tough we ain’t we ain’t get to the to the real tough parts of it but you know no we’re going to we’re going to go to break yeah we going to keep you away from that it’s exactly what we’re going to do we’re going to steer the ship the other way uh I became I was happy again the chat I’m I’m very happy with yeah everybody kept it together you tried to hook me with ref ref es to manb and I to do anything no no I’m saying the chat like they tried to hook me but they did not flannel you can exhale we made it we made it all right so Deming barely when we come back all right we’ve seen the uniforms we got to get into it all right we got to get into the uniforms every it’s an electric polarizing conversation uh but we are certainly going to get into it tell them about dispo for absolutely and you know what tomorrow is tomorrow is 420 and that means all kinds of giveaway s at all disos in metro Detroit thousands of giveaways get to one of them because how can you not on 420 get the stuff that you’re going to celebrate with for the day and because it’s on a Saturday man you can really have a good time so visit dispo docomo shops 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have an answer to this question uh even though he asked me I don’t know the answer but I’m going to ask you uh Neil uh pull the New Jersey photo is it black or dark gray I’ve heard both black right black yeah it’s got to be black yeah at this point Ryan’s reaction it better be black right like absolutely it better um Brad Hendricks if Neil rule isn’t speaking at the 3C Sports conference I’m out no you can still go there there’s still a good lineup uh out there uh sticky finger I burn like a Blister in the Sun so does Sam flannel hey um but yeah so the Unis everybody now you’ve seen it the the whole release and everything like that give me your take Sam flannel I’ll give you mine I absolutely love them I love how they pay a little bit of homage to the 9s jerseys I like how they’re not monochromatic it the funny thing is I don’t hate monochromat I I don’t hate it if it’s black like say the uh black uniforms that they’re that they’re having as the alternates I absolutely love that but I wasn’t a big fan of the blueberries as everybody knows even though they did well in them and that’s the bottom line the blueberries are still a thing they’re still but but they’re like I still a thing I like the the ones though with like the the white pants the ones that the the regular home ones with the uh with that lettering you know you saw one of the pictures that you saw during the leaks was like the Hutchinson 97 with that like block letter lettering and and numbering and I was just that that that was the one that was like oh man I really really like this one seems a little more old school not trying to do too much very clean I am very happy with how the the the uniforms turned out and obviously the the away ones to me I’m looking at the away ones I’m looking at a picture of Al mcneel right now in them and and I’m like these are some of the cleanest AWA uniforms in all of the NFL so I’m very very happy and I’m obviously glad like most that they brought back the uh the black jerseys with the Honolulu blue uh numbering and lettering I am very very happy I have no complaints W bear says I wish uh the blacks said Motor City on them that’s kind of NBA though a little bit a little bit that is a little NBA uh Cody Engel says the best change is the numbers I did like the numbers change as well um I’m gonna I’m going to draw the sword here okay on the hill I know they’re not the same but the first thing I thought of when I saw the blacks come on these are Carolina pany ah Carolina Panther that’s that’s what I thought that’s a lot of people saying that that that was just the vibe I I can’t control the vibe I get and and that’s the way that’s the way I felt about it like I know everybody’s like drooling over the blacks and stuff like that now don’t get me wrong I skew TS don’t care like I know I know a lot of people love them and I know they’re going to sell5 to1 Million worth of black jerseys and cool get do it do it up I I don’t care win games that’s all that’s all I care about it’s not the same Jersey though like the Carolina Panthers they kind of got same I’m saying the stripes and everything yeah I get it though we got a darker blue as or or would it be a darker blue yeah we got a darker blue to them as well but that’s all that’s all I was saying though I just I got the vibe that that’s all I’m saying easy everybody I’m on your side okay I’m with that I just don’t like that comparison I get it but I don’t like that comparison the Panthers they don’t wear those you they used to wear them almost exclusively but I see them mostly in that like monochromatic blue so I get what you’re saying but to me these look like obviously the older um the the the ones that you saw like you know Roy Williams and Charles Rogers and hey our very own Dan Campbell Big Mike Williams Big Mike Williams B BMW shout out they got scw he got screwed over man he did yeah he did but he wasn’t good in the league I’ll just both things can be true both things can be true but both both him uh who was the running back Maurice clet Maurice Claret yeah both him and Maurice Claret got screwed over they had to sit out a year they did no one remembers that they said okay you can go and then they’re like okay we’re declaring for the draft and hired an agent they’re like oh we’re just kidding you can’t go the whole trajectory of both of their careers might have been very different might have been yeah we won’t know uh I’m salty the white numbers are clean AF Ryan reaction the Detroit Panthers uh saggy Richard no one’s talking about the blue helmet as much as they should be the helmet is awesome I agree I do like the blue helmet it’s one of the best helmets I ever seen yeah the blue helmets are cool those would be cool too like if you get them autographed and stuff like that those will look cool what I like about the the new helmets as well I know Ryan ly from the back talked about this too he was hoping to see a change with the face guards with the face mask on them now they’re blue or black I actually like that small touch but I think it makes a big difference for the helmets no I I I do I I agree I do like the helmets it’s just uh Andrew Jones says we have the same colors of panthers there’s not really a lot of options there my favorite one is the white the white I love like last year when they wore the all whites on the I love the clean bro yeah I I love the all whites man that’s my favorite uniform you can’t nobody tell me nothing right for some reason the whole monochromatic thing if it’s black I don’t necessarily mind it or if it’s white I don’t necessarily mind it I just think them being more some people would call them Shades than colors I just think they look cleaner as monochromatic than say all blue or if it were all green or for for for like just random examples so I like that one as well yeah so I mean again for me that’s the one that I like the best and in the end I don’t care just win football games that’s fair am I wrong for that though no not at all absolutely not are there people like me yeah I would say okay good you’re not the only one I I promise but they will be defined by how much they win or lose so that’s it man yeah and people will like the Unis if they win and they’ll hate them if we don’t go to the playoffs this year absolutely that’s exactly it it it’ll be like the patch on the Red Wings Jersey like the patch has a a say on whether or not they play well this is the first official stamp of the Brad Holmes era though Brad Holmes Dan kampbell era is these jerseys so w bear white helmet would be great if we had a third option that’s what I’m saying like a white with an icy blue or something like that like that that would be dop yeah I would like it burn says we were Elite in the all whites and you know what burn kind of backing up my point some of the best memories of last year those games on the road absolutely they were in the all whites yeah and they won and those are the type of things that’ll help you dictate whether you like those jerseys or not they could have done as long as they kept the colors the same because obviously if the Lions did some shift like make themselves purple and brown or something like that I wouldn’t like it as which which they they obviously wouldn’t do but the fact that they’ve got like the Honolulu blue the silver the white and they’re paying homage to the some of the old school jerseys and the old alternate black jerseys there’s really nothing I can complain about and as you as you said they could be wearing pretty much anything as long as they win we’re going to be happy yeah I think it’s really cool that they’re actually creating memories out of these uniform combinations because they’re winning they’re winning that’s the reason why this all matters right now people got attached to the blueberry people got attached to the marshmallows last year because of what the Detroit Lions actually did on the field and it’s pretty cool I want to see them go and make this even more of an argument this season with these new jerseys I love it no doubt we’re the blacks at the Super Bowl oh yes man stop it stop it stop it right now pan pan Su looked pretty sweet in the in the white uni like that that photo of him in the white uni yeah tough that was that was my favorite memory of the season last year the 49 ners game remember when they showed the shot of them in the tunnel before they came on the field and Su looked like he was going to chew through somebody that was awesome dude God that got me hype God bless the uh defensive ends in the NFL more specifically the NFC North uh Steve O baby Neil were you a fan of the Pistons unicorn jerseys um did you talk about the teal ones or I don’t I don’t know I did like the uh I did like the 313 jerseys though I thought those were cool you know like the bad boys theme 313 jerseys I thought those were cool it’s just to me that that’s the other thing with all this too like to me that’s an NBA thing you know the four different alternate jerseys and and all different stuff like that different nicknames and stuff yeah you know like that’s that’s more of an NBA thing don’t they have that though they have the city connects in the MLB as well I’m pretty sure yeah they do they do yeah that is on way I I wish it was less of a thing in the NBA really you know especially some our classic I think it’s gone too far I I agree with I agree with you on that um but yeah so it is all right so did want to get into that discussion just kind of now that we’ve seen the whole thing people like it but I think they like it cuz we’re good now yep yeah pretty much bottom line Sorry Sorry to rain on the parade like that for everybody my my bad all right when we come back I want to do a quick little tigers thing Sam flannel and I have to revisit the Red Wing season and then it’s NFL draft nickel package stuff we we we are definitely we are definitely going to get into that let me tell you Woodward Sports has a new morning show everybody that’s right wake up Woodward 8: to 10: a.m. you know the players and you know the game Cool flannel Sam Kool-Aid excuse me flannel Sam broer of course kg in the mix JB smooth as well 88 to 10 a.m. right here on Woodward Sports Detroit’s number one sports network facts [Music] walking to any lady Jan’s haircuts for men for an award-winning haircut experience from one of our talented stylists enjoy a Precision haircut hot lather neck shape scalp and neck massage and a hot towel treatment to top it off enter for your chance to win the $50,000 perfect bracket challenge with more than 25 Metro Detroit locations there’s always a Lady Janes near you lady Jan’s haircut for men open 7 days a week walk in anytime Lady Janes it’s wicked awesome what’s good man how you doing you got for me today let’s have a look man I see the one I want right there that’s the one I’m looking for Welcome to The Winner Circle Blake hey figer law all we do is win all we do win thank you 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quarter million to a third of a million people in downtown wild yeah it’s funny too because you notice downtown like every new building is a hotel yeah you notice that like where Joe Lis Arena was that huge building that’s going up there a hotel places to live oh yeah uh the Hudson building that they’re constructing Hotel like it it is wild man man and and just just a little side note even walking around downtown Detroit in the last couple of years or so how it’s grown and and been revamped it’s just it’s an experience no matter what time of day no matter what you’re doing shout out shout out the city of Detroit absolutely they came through with the signs kg boo could be better we’re going to keep the streets off the signs though right till the draft’s over I’m going try my best I know you we we we put out the call did we not we did we did so far so good yeah you you can’t be upset with it uh John effing Lord can we work on the fight song next no you got to keep the fight song down the I’m a Slappy for the for the lions fight song even when we was bad you know as I always love that song I don’t love it but it’s even better now that we’re a winning team it makes more sense now like they’re actually going forward down the field right yeah right I did I I I stole that one I didn’t make that up Wyatt bear this is an interesting take I think we’ve had record low draft talk this year yeah and we’re hosting the draft that is a fact that’s good progress yep that is it is because the Red Wings like the Red Wings took a bite out of the NFL draft stuff they did they did I mean like cuz usually the draft stuff over the past I don’t know eight years was out of necessity yeah because the tigers were going to lose 100 games the Red Wings were you know going to have the worst or fourth or fifth worst record in the NHL so Props to them but um I mean well let’s let’s pick it up there flannel as the dust has settled you still view the Red Wing season as an epic collapse and failure should Steve Eiserman be fired today are you are you shocked Steve Eiserman still employed no no no I’m not I’m not shocked at that and after a couple of days I still say that this season is a failure but if you want to look at some positive things I will say this I will say that their offense and their goal scoring it did improve dramatically Lucas Raymond we now we pretty much know for sure now is him Dylan L had the best season of his career when he was healthy Patrick Kane gave you more than you could have ever asked for in his midseason acquisition and then Alex to Brink it he basically had identical numbers as he did last year in Ottawa and certainly at times he was a big part of this offense and even a guy like JT Comer even though he struggled down the stretch I think he’s one of those you can look at as also a positive signing when you look at Steve eisman’s draft history even with what he did in Tampa Bay and I I’ll give him credit for this as well the fact that he was able to get a guy like Andre vasileski who is honestly on the goat trajectory maybe not after this year but certainly he’s he’s he he’d probably be a Hall of Famer if he retired today gives me hope that a guy like Sebastian kosa who he drafted at a similar spot not going to be vasileski but he’s going to work even with guys like Nikita kucherov in a later round Braden point and then with the Red Wings you’ve got obviously mider Lucas Raymond top 10 picks you’ve got Simon Evanson who looks like he is going to be I I think next year is the year he breaks out it definitely gives you hope for some of the young guys in in in the system like the Carter masers the Nate danielson’s the Marco caspers the kosas who I already mentioned um Axel sine P pel guys like that so all of those are positive and I think that they’re still headed in a good direction however there are a couple things that I just can’t get past one their defense was still awful and basically what you what Steve Eiserman did this off seon was you lost guys like Philip ponic and like you know Jordan osterly and Oscar sunquist obviously like you’re okay with losing them who they added was basically Shane gosar whose specialty is offense he led the team an assist I’ll give him that but defensively eh Jeff Petri who’s ass he’s not just ass he’s old ass Justin Hull who can’t crack this rotation and then the goalie Duo of Alex lion who is ass and James Rymer who is old ass that’s what and and that all leads to a defense which wasn’t any better than it was last year not not even a little bit look at the numbers it’s basically the exact same and also those stretches man th those stretches I’ll even look at I’ll even look at December you had a couple of really really bad losses in December you lost at home to Ottawa you lost at home to San Jose and you lost at home to Anaheim cannot happen under any circumstance whatsoever and then to start off obviously they had that 5 and 12 stretch they started that off with a seven game losing streak in which they got outscored 36 to2 followed by a win and Then followed by a game at Pittsburgh in which they gave up six goals and lost six to three and also in that late season stretch you had two games against Washington they got four points Red Wings got one you had two games against Pittsburgh Pittsburgh a non-playoff team Pittsburgh got four points Red Wings got one you had two games against Arizona Arizona got four points the Red Wings got zero zero 0 and you also had during that losing streak a loss in which you gave up seven goals to the lowly to to lowly Buffalo they’re not terrible but but they’re not a playoff team and also during that stretch the other thing that I think is disappointing was the way their offense which was mostly consistently good throughout the year just completely basically took a [ __ ] and for a fourth of the Season played like a bottom five offense in the NHL and I understand if you want to say that guys like Comer and fabri didn’t step up in that in that situation and they were regressing in to the mean I don’t necessarily hate you for that but to me during that stretch a guy like Alex du Bret underperformed what you expected from him I would say a guy like Daniel sprong who at the beginning of the year and for Mo large trees of the year was very good he was playing so poorly he got begged and then a guy like Joe valeno who was asked to step up a little bit more after Dylan Lin went out he basically gave you nothing so I guess for all of the positives the defense and the defense the month of December and that 5 12 and2 stretch that to me just can’t happen again and those are things that you can’t just excuse away as nothing and part of it you blame on coaching part of it you blame on the players and part of it you have to look at Steve Eiserman a little bit so that’s my I would say 30,000 foot view of this season it still hurts huh flanel I mean of course of course uh burn in the chat uh the fight song and the let’s go lion chance stay they are our obnoxious version of the Viking stupid horn I you know what I like that burn if you want to look at it that way I’ll listen to that pitch that is true like hey this sucks and we know it and guess what we’re still going to do it it’s even better now that we’re winning I can’t stress that enough though now that we’re winning it is a great time to sing that song flannel yes uh the Steve Eiserman what would you have like Steve Eiserman to do here’s here’s the reality I don’t necessarily have all of the answers but when your defensive signings as I said are Goa spear Petri Hull Alex lion and James Rhymer you don’t just get a pass for that you don’t and and the fact that your defense hasn’t improved at all over last year you don’t get a pass for that and for the record I understand that in the pipeline you’ve got a lot of young defensive players coming up and a guy like Sebastian kosa who I think Spen Mo said he probably expects him to be in Grand Rapids for one more year we shall see that to me was the sin Justin H was a terrible signing horrible he doesn’t play okay and that’s and that’s fine I’ll give you that yeah so you expect him he’s got a bad a thousand every bad a thousand every move he makes got a bad wasn’t move Andrew cop wasn’t a great move given how much he’s paid I mean Andrew cop the previous two seasons of him coming to Detroit he had a career year which was a little injury shortened in Winnipeg his best year F which included his best stretch with the Rangers and then he comes to Detroit and has been less than especially this year 33 points in 79 games for a guy that on this team is paid like your 2C which he most certainly should not and is not those are the type of signings that I look at as me along with like an oi ma it’s not like he’s just made these amazing signings all of the time I think the pan one has been positive I think the Ben sharat one has been has been POS has been pretty positive confer has been positive but there’s certainly some but like the goalie things flannel see like here’s the Nuance that you miss all the time all right and you miss it every single time I did this show with dmac earlier this week and be prepared yeah because there’s not going to be any moves made to the goalie room this year either there’s just not flannel so we’re just going to accept year six of no playoffs because here’s the thing no cuz because the team should be good enough to get there regardless right yeah should be good enough right% that’s where I am with it all right fair enough fair fair enough now are are they going to be a Stanley Cup Contender next year no you can’t be with that goalie R but see here here here’s the thing like you and some other people in this town that work at other networks like you it must be nice to offer up criticism but no Solutions like that that’s what I like that you people and people of your ilk do Sam flannel because you pound the you pound the table and say Alex Lion at at goalie now and then I would say to you so so what’s the move then are you going to go make a blockbuster trade and bring in vasileski here you have kosa like Co is the dude right like Co is the one Co Sebastian Coos is the one that you’re ultimately going to be judged on if you’re Steve Eiserman kosa or whoever else you do that’s that’s the Day of Reckoning that’s coming so again I go to you flannel what what intelligent GM what intelligent GM is going to say I’m going to make this move for the sake of making a move for a patchwork unit right here to bring somebody in for a year when I think I have my franchise coming up right now well I guess that’s I I guess that’s uh the the story will be told Ken Holland would do some stupid [ __ ] like that I’ve seen it yeah but but Ken Holland in in an uncapped era was the GM for three Stanley Cups so that that’s all that’s that’s all but in a capped era where we’ve operated for over a decade and we’re still feeling the effects of again you guys know when I look at the goalies that were on payroll then and what they were making remember Jimmy Howard at 55 million I do yeah see now that flannel that’s a move there that at the time then you would Embrace right you would Embrace that kind of move you just said it I no you said he’s got to do something right you said that no I’m not saying he’s got to do something I’m saying what he did bringing in guys like husso and James Rymer and Alex lion all of them to some extent have failed I know we we like to pump up V huso but last year he wasn’t very good either I’m starting to think that V huso was maybe a one-year Wonder with the season that he had with the blues honestly Neil I’m I would say that I’m okay with seeing what what uh what Sebastian kosa is however I just hope that one of them has a little bit like I mean I know James ryer is going to be gone he’s an unrestricted free agent but like an Alex lion or a villo let’s just hope that they can regain well that vuso can regain the form of what he had in 2021 2022 and Alex lion can be a little bit better I I think I’m kind of with with with where you’re at Neil I’m not expecting a Stanley Cup next year I am definitely expecting playoffs and I think it’s more likely that the team around them continues to improve so that even if the goal tending isn’t great they’ll be better and hopefully better better them being better defensively a whole season of cider hopefully a whole season of wman a whole season of Edinson and we see what they do in the offseason that will help the goal tending play I don’t necessarily have a solution for next season I’ll admit it I don’t know if if I don’t know if there’s a good one but it certainly hasn’t been good enough these last couple of years but this is a part of of what he’s doing flannel and and he’s he’s told you that he is flat out told you that flannel so we just have to accept everything he says as The Gospel according to Steve Eiserman a reading from The Gospel According to Steve eer I would think so yeah I mean the resume dictates that doesn’t it right Tampa I mean does a resume dictate that those draft picks at Tampa speak for themselves and they have improved every year I’ll give you that does mider and Lucas Raymond speak for themselves 100% 100% so then what’s the pro here’s let me land the plane so what’s the problem the problem was I wanted them to get in and they had a couple of stretches so your feelings got hurt not my feelings got hurt is that playoffs hold currency I know a lot of you like to act like the playoffs mean nothing and they’re just going to get swept and who cares and any of that but it’s just when you’re talking about and I get it given Steve eisman’s draft history it would show that a lot of these young guys who haven’t even played in the NHL yet who he’s drafted they will hit but we don’t necessarily know that yet we’re counting on we’ll see what he does in the off season in terms of free agency to upgrade the defensive Position will it and then the guys in Grand Rapids right now who we don’t know if they’re going to even be good and certainly next year we don’t know what kind of contribution they’re going to make I don’t necess I’m not guaranteeing that they’re going to just like win multiple cups it seems like you guys think that it’s just the that it’s just going to happen no matter what and I’m not so sure no no no flannel you can you can never make that assumption you can never make that assumption all I can do is go by what I’ve seen and the resume from before and again 15% more points this year there’s been an Ascension every single year that’s why I can’t you know I’m not going to be disingenuous and say collapse collapse collapse collapse collapse you know I’m cuz I don’t I don’t do that I don’t fear Monger like I don’t I come at you with logic and stuff like that but you were also Mr car flag guy and then you’re like oh they were always going to collapse that was always going to happen no no that was that was a f that was like a fun bit that we did flannel like come on man Nuance flannel you were like I brought the car flag movement back I brought to Brink it back it’s funny during that 19 I you game stretch they both took a [ __ ] both like the Red Wings and Alex to bre it and when the season was on the line who was the man it was too late they had already forfeited their ability to control their own destiny I got you Alex to Brink it for Tyler bruzi well that’s what I got you that’s that that that’s better but Alex to break it certainly hasn’t been his thank you Neil you Neil I’m not going to thank you for that because Alex to briet oh you’re like oh we got Alex driet this Superstar and we’re still not expecting the playoffs and oh by the way Alex der breett certainly wasn’t the best version of himself this year he was what he was better than Tyler bruzi of course I’m not an idiot obviously he was better than Tyler brzi are you sure I’m sure okay 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back I like that how they’re like five hits in his last five games well I mean you got to make it I can do that too how about five hits in his last nine games because that’s what it is that’s also fair oh I’m sorry five hits in his last 10 games yeah that’s so that’s a hit every other game for 25 million year that’s an 81 hit season Pace both things are true both things are true oh man don’t do this to me I come on man I’m excited uh we some reaction I guess to the Red Wings discussion um Drew K trade kosa for Brady kachuck no um Adam Kerr I think so markstrom would buy you time for kosa guys this isn’t your fantasy hockey league markstrom two years $12 million left you’ll have him for his age 35 and 36 season yeah you interested in that cost of acquisition if a rental cost you a first and a fourth at the trade deadline what’s a goalie going to cost you no I think we just have to bank on the whole team and defensively them being better around the goenda huso played above their heads which they did for a stretch last last season well Alex lion did vly I mean vly whoo this was kind of a lost year but certainly at times vly husso played out of his head that year in St Louis that’s that’s what he play played over his Alex lion played out of his head that little that little hot the hot stretch they went on that you guys based your whole expectation on when they when they went 14 and five or whatever it was and then we’re like upset that a 500 team chased that with a 5 and4 run or whatever it is and in the end they ended up 500 cuz that’s what they are seven game losing streak two losses to Arizona two two losses to Washington uh beat Colorado 2 to one and in their like it was just wholly unsustainable that stretch was unsustainable but uh if we’re looking at why they didn’t make the playoffs I mean Washington came into our house and beat anyway all right anyway uh Tigers wrap up their home stand they just a short hit on this and then we’re going NFL draft stuff all right Tigers wrapped up their home stand what I thought flannel was kind of a show us home stand like this was the Rick Ross home stand for me like it’s cute beating Chicago and stuff like that and and look to be fair about it I’ll be fair about it you can’t be a believer in the Cleveland guardians or the Royals because they played the white socks too you know what I’m saying so whatever on that for me though this was a show us home stand you had eight games at home you had of course Minnesota mhm and you had the Texas Rangers the reigning world series champions with that being said flannel three and five yeah and they were lucky they were lucky to get two of those three well and also I think what bothers me about this Rangers series because this Rangers series to me was a bit of a nut punch here’s why because they lost three games but they lost them differently they lost 1 where they where they couldn’t where they were shut out that you you you certainly can’t do that their second loss of the series was because of Errors even though TK scoble pitched well even though one of the errors was him you lost that game because of errors and then you lost game three because of Ken MAA I mean there there’s no ifs ANS or buts about it maybe he is washed who knows it was the fact that in in the first loss of the series you held the Rangers to one run and lost in the second loss of the series trik scoble gave you six and a third two earned and you lost and then in the third loss of the series you scored seven runs and lost those are the ones that you kind of let slip away and maybe the whole with how they’ve been snatching Victory out of the jaws of defeat multiple times throughout this season maybe it’s balancing itself out a little bit maybe some of those things are going to burn you more when you play the defending World Series champions instead of the white socks kg I mean the hardest part about this is that these were winnable games like I understand they’re the World Series champions but the Tigers really had a good chance they didn’t look like a World Series champion they did that pitching staff they it was bad how did they win a World Series no seriously seriously I know they because they rake and and that’s why a couple of those games uh defensively you know became a challenge for us and normally we’re a little bit better on the defensive end shout out Sam I know he don’t like defense but um it did matter in in a few of these games but overall it’s just once again the offense the offense has to find a way to get this thing going it was kind of encouraging yesterday that they got seven runs they had like four runs in the second inning that’s a little encouraging but they lit up a guy in his major league debut yeah and that’s the truth and that’s the truth what Happ and Kent Maya you may you may be right I I will give you that you may be right he he’s he’s not looking good and it’s the type it’s not necessarily that he gives up home runs it’s the type of home runs that he gives up but proceed go ahead get your [ __ ] off get your [ __ ] off go ahead you gonna fall out that chair in a minute if I got to keep watching Kent MAA give up a run and inning I may fall out of that chair I understand I may fall out of that chair you’re right guys all right and I can’t I can’t say this about Eiserman and then not say it about Scott Harris does he got a bat a thousand Harris does and here’s why the Kansas City Royals spend more money than the Tigers do let me say that again for everybody I was stunned like I didn’t even think to look at it or anything like that the Kansas City Royals spend more money on payroll than the Detroit Tigers do that is my statement going forward it is my statement going forward it will continue to be my statement going forward the only Here’s Where We Are we’re we’re right back at the same SP from two years ago remember when we sat down opening day and I was a dick because I sat there and said well you’re counting on a tolon Riley green parlay to ascend you to win a Division I it doesn’t play out that way it rarely plays out that way and now here we are Parker Meadows and Colt Keith you know and am I going to say Colt Keith is a bad player certainly I’m not but come it’s not as bad as two years ago still no but that but the the overriding point Remains the Same but you see what I’m saying I listen I’m more encouraged that they can get out of this slump because their only real problem is hitting the fast ball if they can start getting on top of the fast ball the runs and hits will come way more consistently that’s why I’m not necessarily worried it’s it’s a timing issue they will be able to sh this up over the summer months I believe but I I do understand your point and the bottom line they cannot field like this yeah they cannot feeli like this and I don’t know what tokens tolson’s deal is like defensively cu he’s he’s Ade he’s an adequate enough Defender I don’t know if the hitting thing is is Weighing on him I heard some people talking yesterday about you know the remember how we were dying on the hill for exit V last year with Tor and then you know then he got it together the exit velocity’s way down but again I will I will give him more slack because I’ve seen it I’ve seen it I’ll give him more slack that’s fair but he’s also never at any point in his career had a good on base percentage or an and that was the book on him in college walked he broke all of Barry Bond’s records at Arizona State and for the record I’ll I’ll give Spencer Tolson this it does seem like he’s walking a little bit more he even did so yet yesterday his on base percentage is about 100 points higher than his batting average which is what you want which is which is perfect that’s what Riley Green’s doing that’s what Mark K is doing so there’s definitely some I’m I’m encouraged by certainly Riley green I love the start he’s gotten off to Mark Canon even even Carri Carpenter they’re providing all of the on base and all of the Power K Carpenter’s got to play every day that’s fair he’s got to play every day and look you guys know IDE ify AJ hinch yeah because he he’s Elite he’s one of the best managers if not the best manager in Major League Baseball I contend he’s responsible for no more than five of your wins this year the way he’s kind of pieced everything together making managerial calls he is Elite the only thing I would butt heads with we were sitting there having a beer I’d wait till like we’re three in and then I would say AJ Carrie Carpenter thing bro like come on well it’s it it seems a little weird because and this is where I part ways a little bit with like the broers and even the uh the kgs my thing and I know I I know we’re late I just I just want to get this out there my thing was not so much that I didn’t want to block at bats for like a Colt Keith or a Parker Meadows my thing was more that I believed in Riley Green’s ability to get on base I believe I want to block at bats for them now here right I I believed in Mark kanna’s ability to get on base and he has I believe that Gio orella was a good signing and he has been so far and certainly Shelby Miller as as well out out of the bullpen however it’s kind of weird that with Carrie Carpenter he’s still kind of a platoon player why are we blocking at bats from him he showed us he’s rolling out with a 900 Ops which is which is legendary on this team that’s like he’d be like a folk hero he team in Ops last year he had he was the one with it he had he had an 811 Ops he should be playing every day most certainly but Neil believe in him can you at least give me that Neil I I I’m starting to admit my wrongs with ker can you admit your wrongs I just said he’s got to be there every day he’s the only hope right now yeah if you want to get granular about it he is literally the only hope he is so you know that’s that’s what we got to do that’s what we got to do uh Greg RS what about when aanes comes back he absolutely deserves to bat all the time that’s true too I mean he’s he’s played well he’s I won’t say he deserves to bat show me 900 Ops and I’ll say he deserves to bat all the time stand but he’s come through in some crucial spots for this team he has so we’ll see luck Factor the book is still out the book is still out tell them about Swiss insurance absolutely Swiss insurance with the first pick in the 2024 draft Detroit picks Swiss insurance group how do you not Woodward Sports and Detroit’s top pick for your insurance needs keep your current provider honest and price out Swiss today go to Swiss ins.com or call Mark today at 313 5301 1698 again that is 313 530 1698 Swiss insurance where’s the most convenient place to get that big Fitness energy it’s Planet Fitness join today for just $1 down $10 a month with over 2400 locations and equipment for every workout you can get in get energized and get going and with free Fitness training and most clubs open 24 hours everyone 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sound boo what up Kool-Aid shout out spinny shout out Spenny absolutely um Tony D we miss Miguel Cabrera in his batting think about that that’s crazy the later version I mean on this team he would he would even Miguel right now would probably fight a spot in this lineup like cold no spring training or anything there’s no yeah yeah yeah just straight off the street yeah 100 100% yes put him at put him at seven so we don’t have to see uh Parker Meadows Colt Keith and Jake Rogers anymore I’m not saying I’m not saying that that they’re not going to be good players but right now all three of them at the plate are unplayable uh Brandon cats has a dumb take by Neil Houston is just as good without hinch are they well they won one with Dusty Baker We got to give them they did they did that team was already kind of set up though fair fair fair I don’t care and and look catbot if you can agree that AJ hinch is responsible for multiple wins on this year’s team then I can’t help then we’re we’re just never going to see I die we just we just never are um but yeah it’s uh Missing Miggy and is hitting that’s that’s the spot that they’re in right now uh some reaction to what we’ve been talking about here uh wward sports.com chat thread Kell when the Red Wings had a nine-point lead Neil definitely said the Red Wings were making the playoffs no I 100% I did cazzo and because of an empty net goal they didn’t oh stop it control what you can control man control what you can control you that’s how fine the line was though flannel like that’s how fine the line was yeah because Philly at that time thought that they the only way to have a chance was win in regulation I’m not going to give any shade to Philadelphia I’m not going to give any shade to Boston I’m not going to give any shade to Gary bman and those rules because every single team in the NHL has to play by them the same did they burn the Red Wings a little bit more this year than say the Islanders certainly but I don’t care beat San Jose in December beat anah beat you can go to anybody’s schedule and pick those games out you go to anybody’s schedule and pick those games out Ottawa San Jose and Anaheim at home in one month that that that’s rough and if and if you want to and I I I heard you doing this the other day if you want to say that the Arizona loss on the road that wasn’t a gimme but you also did a really nice fine print of like you can’t lose the one at home that’s right that’s true you can’t play Arizona twice and them get four points you get zero so that’s why I’m not blaming what happened with Philadelphia and Boston again though you you do know that right that Arizona yes had a winning record at home they beat more teams than they lost to that’s why you got to give them them their come upins at LCA and the Red Wings didn’t do it that’s my point and we agree on that fair we certainly agree on that um but yeah so just getting your reactions to everything jump into there and uh get your thoughts out there wward sports.com chat thread uh Mike O says Carpenter is a ringer he is like a softball player like a ringer softball player we used to do that from time to time um ski Mas boy Red Wings won some great games too dumbass I assume he’s talking to you I know they did 100% they did but at the end of the day when you balance the good stretch es the bad stretches the good wins the bad losses it ended with the Red Wings looking at Washington and the Islanders playing in the playoffs this isn’t Bizarro world I know they had more wins than both of those teams but when you look at when you look at the playoffs you’re going to be seeing oetkin you’re going to be seeing Dylan stro you’re going to be seeing Charlie Lind L Lindgren who beat the Red Wings basically by himself you’re not going to be seeing Lin or Kane or or der Bret or Raymond this is a Bizarro world that’s all I’m saying we in what is not what with what should be and I look at Colorado Avalanche here are they a good team they’re great win best win of the Season 100% they got shut out against Pittsburgh and buffalo in back-to-back games in October and then uh a game after that lost 70 to Vegas then lost 8 to2 to C to St Louis at home didn’t cost all in a stretch didn’t cost them a g a stret didn’t cost him a GD thing nothing uh let me see here a loss at Arizona a loss at Anaheim and a loss at La back to back to back I know those horrible Colorado Colorado Avalanche who who did the exact same thing another loss at Arizona by colado they might win the Stanley Cup this year they might they have a chance well no they don’t because they lost at Arizona well the red rings actually don’t have a chance because of those Arizona losses actually in reality not Colorado a four game losing streak for Colorado I know it’s not seven wow and they have and they are one of the favorites to to represent the West in the Stanley Cup and the Red Wings are sitting on their ass their ass a three and seven their ass on the couch ass a three and seven stretch by the Colorado I know they’re terrible it cost them nothing it cost them nothing man coming down the stretch and they’re won the stany cup two years ago lost four of five coming down the stretch at the end of the season I know all the exact same as the Red Wings you know what you live in Bizarro World Neil you watch your Red Wings playoff game that’s happening oops look and look at that too in that loss in those losses coming down the stretch gave up seven goals to Dallas lost seven nothing to Winnipeg their third 70 loss of the season I know they’re the exact same as the Red Wings it’s come on Neil come on uh people want to know if you took your uh blood pressure flannel well if I did it still wouldn’t have mattered after your arguments you just made well I’m just I was told though that that doesn’t happen to team you told me that does happen but no no no you told me it does not I didn’t say that it didn’t happen I said that those are some things that cost the Red Wings told teams don’t lose at Arizona except Colorado did twice I didn’t say that the reality is is that the bad stretches outweigh the good stretches for the Red Wings because they’re not in the Colorado Avalanche and Colorado has a better team they do have a better team which is why they can afford to lose games like that and everything’s fine because it actually is fine uh Danny G I win you lose great drop well a great you’re talking about me you’re correct I want to do some nickel packages let’s cut to this break and we’ll get it in there tell them about the QB challenge Steve Wilds Neil Cook Sam it’s like taking candy from a baby I would never take candy from a baby but U which which uh read did we have challenge yes so the QB challenge uh unfortunately online registration for the Shake Shack QB challenge is now closed but don’t panic uh we will be accepting day of registration on Friday from 2: to 4:00 at the downtown Detroit Shake Shack location make sure 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will donate if Neil can get flannel so mad that he walks off and quits today I know you have it in you meil he might Ser I probably do let’s be real I probably do I haven’t quit yet I’m good I’ve been I’ve been way more riled up than you just saw me multiple times and I’m still here do you think I I have that in me though Flamel I don’t think I would maybe walk off and then come back I made you walk out before you slam the headphones down and walked off that’s true that’s true yeah quit would be it would be tough but I think I could do it well if you be my guest if you want to no I I need you for the rest of the show all right nickel package time kind of draft Centric nickel packages NFC North we got an NFL one uh the the sports media and TV ratings one I like those those ones are fun so here we go kick it off with the NFC North yes we are let do first down first down on the NFC North Nickel package we’ve talked a lot about the Packers but let’s be honest they will be as good as Jordan Love Is Right Here Right Now where does Jordan love fit in as a QB top 10 top 15 and I I struggle to answer that flannel because I don’t want to give him credit I don’t but the dude’s got a road playoff win under his belt already do he does you you have to and played well in it and nearly got a second road playoff win yeah I wanted to discredit him I do but how can you man you can’t no you you you you most certainly can’t and just looking at some numbers from last year seventh in yards second in touchdown passes ninth in qbr led the Packers to a playoff game a playoff win despite having a young offensive line no David Bach no Noah David Bak tiari no Aaron Jones for a large part of the season and their top six pass catching targets four of them were uh four of them were rookies one of them was Christian Watson who was hurt a lot of the year and then Romeo dobs the way that he was able to have Synergy with all of those young with all of those young receivers particularly Jaden Reed that to me showed me a lot and of course that road playoff win at Dallas which we were all happy about I think that that uh changed some Minds on a Jordan love so I think right now he’s a top 10 quarterback lower lower end of the top 10 maybe like 10 or nine I think top 15 is fair top 10 a maybe a little high we’ll we’ll see we’ll see I mean it it’s tough again like Road road playoff win performance 272 three touchdowns no picks yeah he did have the ball in his hand with a chance to cash in that 49ers game though and did throw a pick but dude I mean dude’s young right he’s old but he’s young very few quarterbacks in their first playoff appearance ever just go unblemished so I’ll give him a pass for that even though he threw a couple of really bad picks I’m not going to kill him too much for that unless if he makes it a habit which hopefully he does and look it’s for me and there’s there’s a lot there’s some Jordan love push back here uh Alex Hagerty says top 20 till consistent bro he threw for 4,100 plus yards 32 touchdowns and 11 picks last year a great year like this this non-c consistency stuff with him yeah it took him a second to figure it out at the beginning of the year excuse him you know he’s just starting off in the NFL I can’t believe I’m sitting here defending this cat but I am he I will I will say it like this I don’t know the number top 15 I think for sure look at some of these quarterbacks in the league but I I I sold him short fair I I absolutely sold that dude short uh am I am I scared of him I don’t think I’m quote scared of him per se but I definitely sold sold him short mindful I’m mindful of him I think that’s a I think that’s a good way uh burn says yeah but that was also Dallas in a in a tough spot with for rain Prescott no I know fair but road playoff wins yeah hard stop you win a road playoff game in the in the NFL as a quotequote rookie quarterback his first real season that’s what I’m saying like that that’s a nice win I don’t care what anybody you hey if anyone knows how hard playoff wins are to get it’s this group here and you all of you in the wward Sports Chat thread I just say it like that all right second down second down on the NFC North Nickel package who do you want to see the Vikings draft who do I want as a lions fan nobody so for for what would be bad draft picks here’s who I would want if if I were if if I if they were to do something stupid I would say I want them to draft Michael pennix at 11 and draft a receiver at 23 they have other needs like the interior of the defensive line they certainly need they certainly need some interior dline and o line help maybe some secondary help but if they were to say draft Michael pennick too high and then get a receiver even though the receiver room I know Justin Jefferson’s a little up in the air it it wouldn’t be their biggest need so to me that would be what I want them to do if I don’t want them to further along their uh their their team I want them to trade up okay for a quarterback all right stop and preferably like a JJ McCarthy type deal where and I think it will weaken things on two fronts look we you can you can debate about JJ McCarthy I go by what I see you go by what you think might be whatever that’s fair because that plays A Part projection plays a part in the NFL draft that’s fair I’m not going to be I’m not going to crush you about that but I will say this I don’t think he has the makeup to walk in there and be effective and with that being said their great their greatest player Justin Jefferson whoever they draft if they do trade up whoever they take he’s got to walk in and be effective because if not Justin Jefferson could walk out the door and he holds all the cards that is a that’s certainly a great point and and maybe the Vikings keep that in mind and think that Sam darnold can be an okay Bridge who the who knows all I know is that yeah Up’s a risk taking over overdrafting Michael pennick I think is a risk I think we’re kind of on the same wavelength that they miss on a quarterback or they overdraft a quarterback so Neil you think they got to start him day one if they move up and get him they got to start him day one I mean I would yeah I mean that’s if you’re if you if you trade up to get JJ McCarthy then you have to start him day one cuz Justin Jefferson’s in a walk year yeah that’s it that’s all man so like and Sam darnold you think Justin Jefferson who turned down 30 million a year from you you think he’s here hanging out to catch passes from Sam darnold in a walk year that’s fair in a walk year flannel this is the most critical year of Justin Jefferson’s life that’s a good of his life big both things can be true I think I I I’m higher on Sam darnold than some but you also make a great point about uh just I don’t think Sam darnold is better than Kurt Cousins and that’s what who that’s who Justin Jefferson is used to playing with so yeah I noted point taken I’m I’m just saying everybody you know and there’s already the talk he’s going to hold out of stuff he’s going to hold out of the team activities so get ready for it you know all that stuff you don’t have to deal with with amen Ross Brown it’s fair but I’m an idiot right all all the Vikings fans that watch this show that piled on with the blog post and stuff like that enjoy it no you’re enjoy it everybody you’re not an idiot you just sold Justin Jefferson a little too short in my eyes okay well we got hey to quote Drake we going to see fa all right third down third down on the NFC North Nickel package call your shot what is Caleb Williams question mark nope nope that’s that’s I don’t I don’t see I don’t see The Moxy I don’t see the grit when the wind’s at his back everything’s cool but the wind ain’t in your back often in the NFL and you he doesn’t strike me like you can talk about the tools and stuff like that but but again we’re live from the Planet Fitness Studios when you see highlight packages of him you I’ll be listening to a podcast looking up at the TVs doing my runs when you see highlight packages of him it’s always the same style of of play it’s always like a wide openen dude going against the grain you know college [ __ ] you know as I like to say that look at guys I’m telling you like next time look at Patrick Mahomes does a lot of college [ __ ] okay not saying m not saying he’s that but he has Patrick Mahomes characteristics right but he doesn’t you know what he doesn’t have Patrick Mahomes escapeability and Patrick Mahomes arm doesn’t have it doesn’t have it I’m just telling you what I think you ask me the question I’m giving you the answer I feel you if they give him an offensive line maybe he can have that kind of ability but they can’t cuz they’re taking him they have two draft picks all right but anyway though before I was so rudely interrupted by kg sorry I almost said something stupid right there but I didn’t I I I stayed on it all right here we go yes so here’s the thing all right where with with Caleb Williams I just I don’t see it okay I don’t I don’t and I like that the Bears are going to take him I love it and we can cross the Bears off the list my fear with the Bears is is they’re still good enough to overcome this you know the 49ers overcame their kind of draft SFO before absolutely absolutely I I don’t that’s my fear the Bears can still overcome it where are you atam I think Caleb I’m going to get a little like detailed with this one not long but a detailed I think Caleb Williams is going to be a clear impr upgrade over Justin fields and a situation that is slowly but surely improving they’ve got some young offensive lineman who’s uh I think at bright futurs and like tein teevin Jenkins and Darnell Wright who was a rookie last year I think he’ll make a leap you see what they’ve got with DJ Moore and uh and a Keenan Allen I think those are nice receivers to have Cole KT DeAndre Swift and khil Herbert as a Duo I actually think is pretty good so Caleb Williams he’s got a better arm than Justin Fields I like him a lot more than you and I think that this situation is actually not as dire as some people think he’s insulated and that’s the whole thing if he wasn’t insulated then I would agree with you now oh no no like I said like let’s just I’ll keep it 100 like the Bears the Bears scare me yeah they do like their roster construct scares me their draft capital situation scares me and we saw the 49ers do this they made a Monumental mistake and they made a couple Super Bowls after rock py fell out of Heaven yep I mean yeah I mean they had to hit the ultimate long shot but they did so here they are all right what do we got uh we need to go to break I believe we got um Premier pet oh Premier Pet Supply that’s right I have this one sitting right here as a matter of fact when it comes to your pet don’t settle give your pet the best Premier pets Supply hands down Michigan’s best pet store familyowned and operated for over 30 years guys we like this right 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energy Neil R San flanel in for dmac Kool-Aid in the house as well what up though Kool-Aid and of course we have kg let’s wrap up this NFC North Nickel package hold on Danny G did I just join the Chicago Sports Network well Danny G are the bears not in the Lions division is it not relevant to talk about the competition and the threat to them winning the division Danny G is that okay do do I need to run the program Decisions by you Danny G do I have to do that going forward I’ll ask you DM me your number and uh I’ll give you the show sheet rundown and see if it’s relevant to Detroit sports or not all right let’s go all right fourth down on the NFC North Nickel package where does this division fit in the NFL now because it sure seems like it got better quickly didn’t it man like remember we’re like Hey we’re here for three years and the these other teams are trash and then you know what happened they kind of they kind of took a page from the Brad Holmes book Playbook draft Capital yeah what did the Packers do traded the diva Aaron Rodgers yep now they got another draft pick because of it they got two more draft picks coming because of it so you know it’s it’s one of those things where I think the Playbook was shown a little bit and that’s how you do it and that’s what teams have done the Vikings two picks in the first round the Bears two picks in the top 10 so yeah that’s that’s how you get better in the NFL it’s not the NHL FL I don’t know if you know this or not like when you draft dudes they come and play right away you don’t have to wait three years I understand very much understood but yeah when you look at the NFC North it’s one of the I would say maybe one of two divisions in the n NL right now and don’t get me wrong the Vikings are the biggest long shot where you see some progress in all of the teams obviously we know what what the Lions did but even the Vikings a team that everybody talks about as the bottom feeder they got a couple of edge rushers and a and a Jonathan grenard and Andrew van gigle they got a linebacker and Blake hashman they knew that you can’t go through another season with Alexander Madison as your starting running back and they so they went out and got Aaron Jones and Sam darnold’s not a terrible bridge and we all know that like I know you’re high on the Bears and their roster construction we saw the Packers actually make the playoffs last year so yeah it’s definitely I would say it’s the best division in the NFC maybe you could argue the NFC West but even with the Arizona Cardinals I I think they’re still going to be bad so yeah best division in the NFC certainly better than the NFC south or east uh wward sports.com chat thre ecl Neil is not wrong I live next door to USC so I see it every Saturday when the chips are down he crumbles not strong mentally he must have everything perfect next Ryan Leaf in my humble opinion show tell me tell me one moment of Caleb Williams Triumph tell me one moment where he put a a a team a program on his back and said no we’re winning tell me one time tell me one time those games where they were giv up 45 points and everything I’m not going to knock tell no I know but tell me the one time tell and I get that kg and I understand that but tell me the one time he said not today you know quarterbacks do that from time to time we’ve seen quarterbacks do it when you have a defense that consistently gives up 40 plus points here’s the thing and this is where I’m going to knock my guy for example and you’re going to appreciate this this idea that Caleb Williams is somehow not a winner but JJ McCarthy is I reject that 100% And I’m the biggest JJ McCarthy fan that you’ll ever see but he had I can’t wait to hear this I mean JJ McCarthy benefited from the best defense in the country a there were 18 guys 18 who went to the NFL scouting combine obviously Blake Korum you know Roman will Wilson turned out to be better than we think guys like Coulson Loveland the best offensive line I don’t care what the Joe Moore award said this year so JJ McCarthy’s a good quarterback and he’s a great Prospect but to call him a winner and Caleb Williams somebody who doesn’t rise to the occasion is so absurd because JJ McCarthy had a much better situation better running game and a monumentally better defense I’m talking about like a 20 times better defense than USC had and that’s my guy right but but I saw with JJ McCarthy like I get it like I don’t think he’s going to be good but I saw moments where where stuff was in Peril and I saw him make plays like like the ju he’s got the juice whatever whatever you define it as I never saw Caleb Williams never in a big spot come through between between Oklahoma and USC you’ve never seen them never tell me a big win got well we got UCLA oh in 2022 Notre Dame no Notre Dame at home in 2022 to his Heisman year lost to T Lane because the USC’s bum ass defense gave up 46 to Tain oh my God Caleb blam’s not a winner oh my God Caleb blams can’t do any he doesn’t rise above he can’t over tell me tell me the big win Notre Dame’s a pretty damn big win in USC it is it is a big and when was this this was 2022 his Heisman season this was his Heisman year okay 2023 I get it they lost he’s at home the win was kind of at his back right there was no no no adversity I know that game where they where they played Washington and gave up 52 man Caleb Willams is just not a winner what a loser he can’t lead his team to 55 bom pennx was pennx was able to overcome it why can’t he because and well penx also has a a top o line three top wide receivers so so so he has he has the wind at his back you’re saying no quarterback fault for for losing those kind of a games but Caleb Williams is a loser Caleb Williams is a loser and JJ McCarthy is the ultimate winner and I’m a JJ McCarthy s but that’s that’s ridiculous I could Vibe with you if I’ve seen it I’ve never seen it you’ve never seen it I’ve never seen because you’ve never seen it I saw I saw JJ McCarthy with a national championship on the line third and 16 make play after play after play on third Downs I saw that I saw that happen that’s fine because throughout the season he had a team that greatly helped him get to that point yeah Michigan had the best defense in the country a historically great defense what of the best defenses ever by the numbers and you’re going to see it borne out in this draft and the one after it USC did not I just I hate this idea that Caleb Williams is some sort of loser or something because because he can’t lead his team to what 45 points a game LMS LMS 31m says he’s also playing against terrible defenses too no but flano doesn’t there there’s that takes Nuance to understand yeah that’s where Sam flannel checks out so Caleb Williams the number one overall pick is a big old loser is that what you’re saying oh we hey we going to see we’re GNA that’s the beauty of the NFL keep the receipts Detroit’s villains the only win I can think of for Caleb Williams that was huge was when he came back and beat Texas when he was with Oklahoma that was a long time ago that was Oklahoma and and Notre Dame and games in which and losses in which his defense gave up 52 let’s see 48 I could go on he’s he’s he’s always the second best quarterback in the stadium all the time those aren’t he’s not the second best quarterback always the best second best quarterback in the stadium he was the second best quarterback to Sam Hartman he was the second best quarterback to Utah’s backup are you [ __ ] kidding me that’s why football is a complicated game he was the second best quarterback to UCLA’s quarterback I don’t even know who he was this year on that day I guess he was that’s ridiculous yep it’s all the quarterback only the quarterback Nothing Else Matters nothing else and Caleb Willams is going to be a bum because he’s lost in college stup sh yeah should we go to fifth down yes we should all right fifth down on the NFC North Nickel package what do you think the Packers will do at 25 I they’re going to do what they always do defense they’re going to take some safety yeah that I’ve never heard of before you pencil this one in I think it’s a corner but go ahead y some some defensive back that you’ve never heard of before yeah and then he’ll be there for nine years pretty much I I know that’s how that’s going to happen it’s the Packers way it’s the Packers way and and like one of their offensive linemen that is like a Cornerstone it was a seventh round pick I know I know this is how this is going to go down it’s going to be it’s going to be that defensive back that somebody says we had him as a third round grade and then he’ll be there for nine years I already know it I can pencil it in there’s too many quarterbacks available who I think will be available at that stage who I think are first round prospects I think what the Packers should do if I were them not what I want them to do as a liance fan what I think the Packers should do is just go best corner available jier Alexander has shown signs that his play is slipping and he might be a bit of a Mal content hello going onto the field when you’re not a captain and Eric Stokes was injured and he kind of sucks so they need a corner I think they’ll go best corner available but hey if they decide to go with I don’t know like a TJ Tampa or somebody like that who’s not SL selected who’s not slotted as a first round pick I wouldn’t I wouldn’t be shocked either TJ Tampa is a perfect example and then TJ Tampa I’m calling it now TJ Tampa will have a pick six next year at some point in a home game in a home game at Lambo you know those games where they play like Washington and it’s like 14 to 13 and they’re like and and the Packers were like a seven and a half Point favorite he’ll get the pick six with three minutes to go take it back to the house and that’s how they win I can see it I swear 100% 100% uh let’s go Red Wings spy Caleb Williams last year first big game at Notre Dame 199 yards a touchdown three picks that your guy B that was bad yeah I try to tell guys I try to talk to him he won’t listen to me one bad game means that’s who he is as a quarterback that’s fine that’s fine I don’t understand though why there’s this ground swell of like Caleb Williams is a bus Caleb Williams is terrible and stuff like that I actually I gave you my reasons I did I gave you mine all right let’s take this break come back get to the next nickel package Planet Fitness everybody we are live at the Planet Fitness Studios best gym in the gym game I was in there today I got my miles in for the week already I prepaid them so today I was just kind of worked on stretching and all that stuff I never do and you can do all of it at Planet Fitness they have a stretch station that’s out there a machine all they have everything you need at Planet Fitness I’m going to go back to this one this isn’t on their corporate sheet some of you are out there paying 8090 $100 a month for 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about what they do with their business cuz I I want the bag too I value the bag yeah you know what I I don’t hate on that I got a Little Help from the bullpen actually and I got to give these guys credit because I was a little caught off guard by the Caleb Williams slander and I’ll admit it this is from uh this is from easy because Patrick Mahomes didn’t win in college did we ever see it with him in college According to some no the Texas te Tech de defenses were some of the worst ever and this is from Spen Mo Rex usually in the in the TD Booth Caleb Williams was 12 and0 at USC when his defense led up less than 32 points defense matters it matters let’s pull those opponents shall we cuz I know I know USC’s non-conference schedule pull those opponents oh he challenged you say tell me tell me about San Jose State all right and how they still busted him for over 200 yards rushing you know Sam dud this stat yeah they still busted him that was Caleb williams’ fault right that was Caleb William fault say that was Caleb Will’s fault I’m saying though all right fine fine fine hate on Caleb Williams all you want all right we got uh we got our Sports media and sports business nickel package as well make your prediction 2023 fields or 2024 Caleb I mean you you guys know where I am God Fields has an elite trait he has an elite trait that is known so what who gives a [ __ ] if he can run he can’t throw he didn’t improve at all as a thrower he didn’t improve at all you gave him DJ Moore and he still can’t throw worth [ __ ] I’m so tired of like you just like oh Justin Fields that’s an over exagger all you ever do is [ __ ] on Josh Allen [ __ ] on Justin Herbert [ __ ] on Trevor Lawrence when you come to Justin fi the difference is they they [ __ ] themselves those guys that you just list Justin Fields has never [ __ ] themselves are you kidding me are you [ __ ] kidding me just Fields play like 18 games in the league or whatever whatever the number is dude and I didn’t say and where where have I said like Justin Fields is next I’ve never said that I said he has an elite trait and between grief and nothing I would take grief and take Justin Fields like is he great no is Chicago’s roster insulated enough for it to work I believe it is fine fine Justin Fields blows that’s the proper analysis like for me Justin Fields is better than than Josh Allen I never said that before that’s a straw hey to use your word that’s straw man [ __ ] that you’re using right there and choose who you praise and you pick and choose no no I go I I go by what I see I go by what I see go by what you see you have said infinitely more positive words about Justin Fields than Josh Allen that is a [ __ ] fact he is he is nowhere near as far down the highway as those guys are nowhere near I understand I understand but he has had three years in the NFL to act like he’s just some rookie who’s only had bums around him is I’ll tell you this next year the Bears would win more games with Justin Fields than they would with Caleb Williams that’s that’s false we’ll see we’ll see I know that’s why I love well you think Caleb Williams is Ryan Leaf somebody actually [ __ ] said that because they’re an idiot and you didn’t even like you didn’t even have any push back you’re just like oh yeah he’s Ryan Leaf even though Ryan Leaf is literally the worst quarterback who ever played in NFL history not for his draft position period but that’s Caleb Williams fine fine didn’t know we was going to get a boxing match uh should we get into this uh all right uh the sports media uh money nickel package uh number one first down Caitlyn Clark is on the verge of 15 to20 million with a deal with Nike your thoughts and look because all I ever heard about was the salary right like the Caitlyn Clark salary that’s what I heard about that salary seems to be pretty much in line and oh by the way for the people that were flipping out about the salary dot dot dot when you want to go buy your daughter these Nike shoes and they’re $175 I don’t want to hear it I don’t want to hear it truth that is trueth this this Cuts both way everybody when her shoes are $175 because Nike gave her $20 million I don’t want to hear the complaints this is how it works she’s getting a you know a full-on Nike deal five figures closer to 20 than 10 so with that comes the $175 shoes sorry the uh the salary is about in line with what WNBA players make based on the fact that they’ve never turned a profit However the fact that she is probably the most famous maybe female athlete ever at this point if Nike wants to drop the bag on her fine and she deserves it CU she’ll push product that’s how this works everybody yeah she is being paid commensurately with her ability to push product and that product will be a commensurate price with what Nike has to do to make money on it so everybody be I don’t want to see it I’m looking for it too I’ll be looking for that though how are they going to charge $175 for Caitlyn Clark’s Shoes uh cuz Nike gave her $20 million yep that’s why they need return on investment and you say I want it to be business I want the business Market this is the business market so that’s going to cut that’s going to cut both ways Wendy esposa Nike gave her 20 million they’re talking they’re talking five figures closer to 20 than 10 that’s what they’re talking right now that’s with the with the WNBA and all that there’s always some great debate on should they be paid more to flannel point they’re not really turning a profit right now they’re being subsidized by the NBA but the players that deserve to be paid they generally wind up with the money whether it be through overseas contracts or through some of these endorsement deals that we see the players that are deserving they get those things kalamazo there’s no way Caitlyn Clark is more famous than Simone biles cazo here’s the deal Caitlyn Clark can sell shoes directly Simone biles cannot yeah that’s it that that’s not even a good compar like guys get away from this is money we’re talking about now this isn’t what’s right this isn’t how we feel it’s none of that stuff you got to get out of that line of thinking kello who can sell more shoes Caitlyn Clark can and that’s why she’s getting the money that’s it that’s all this is this is what we say we wanted right when we talked about her salary hardcore business this is Hardcore business well and she also very much is more famous than Simone biles at this stage but that’s neither here nor there and Simone bil is a gymnast it’s not it’s not a good comparison it’s not a good comparison all right second down all right second down on the sports media nickel package NBA play in games TV ratings were up 25% from last year you all say you hate the NBA someone is lying I want to know who’s lying who’s lying cuz you in the chat do they not we have a faction of of fans there are a lot of people that say that I hate the NBA well the ratings are up 25% in the playing games some of you out there are lying that’s fact well and also the uh I’m not going to watch if bronze playing people are also lying because I also think there was a bump with that usually I mean play this was a weird play in because you had you had this wasn’t the Lakers night this was the first night sure and you also you also had like Joel embiid being in a playin game which is kind of weird but like he was out for so much the year yeah Golden State how is his team in a playing game because he’s an MVP he was out for a long time which is his problem yeah he’s always HT you know the Sixers are nothing without M yeah he’s always hurt I know he’s MVP how can they be in a playing game cuz he wasn’t available why wasn’t he available cuz he’s he has he’s of injured that’s why oh he’s great but he’s of injured it’s funny yic plays every game all right I knew you was with that it’s Weir mean it is true it’s just just facts but uh Matt says I haven’t watched a single NBA game all year Well Matt somebody has that’s fact I’m not saying it’s you maybe it is but maybe it’s not but somebody’s watching it if you’re not watching it you wouldn’t be saying anything it’s becoming like a weird Flex that people use like I don’t watch the NBA yeah yeah it is weird I’m with you on that I don’t get it either all right third down all right third down on the sports media nickel package Sports Center was the highest rated non-nba show Wednesday night you all say you don’t watch sports center ESPN anymore someone is like yeah it’s really weird all I hear about all the time I don’t watch ESPN ESPN’s not about sports or anything like that and yet there’s old Sports Center ESPN I I want to say they’re back and them being a a a majority or like a equity partner with the NFL that pretty much shows you right there that ESPN is back Pat McAfee the changes they’ve made with some of the show host and stuff over the last couple years I think they’re on their way back Shannon Shannon yeah yeah yeah yeah they’ve made a lot of talent acquisition between and let a lot of people go in the last couple years MH but somebody’s lying cuz I was told nobody watches ESPN anymore and it’s over and it’s dead especially Sports Center highlight shows are dead that’s what I was told weird there was a stretch like in the late 2010s I think seeping into 2020 where it was ran by John Skipper and I know there was a lot of un unsatisfaction with some of the shows out there and then maybe not uh doing enough about sports kind of doing more politics but ever since and I know they still dabble into that but ever since then ever since they they got a new guy it has been better I know there’s been some teetering when they had that rash amount of layoffs to guys like you know J Rose and Max Kellerman just to name a few but Jay Williams Jay Williams and now but now it seems to have come back especially getting a guy like Pat MAA is huge for example yeah it’s funny the people are trickling in um I’ve been getting into the 30 for 30s recently so I watch those frequently and everyone’s just kind of they’re kind of they gradually going back yeah they’re like oh hey the prog I watch and then they go back away in defense though the program in has got gotten a little bit better it has so there’s that all right third down all right third down on the Sports media nickel package actually that was third down fourth down the WNBA topped out at 3.1 million viewers the LA king/ Minnesota game that followed the WNBA draft topped out at 400,000 uh 439,000 viewers does that surprise you uh real quick Woodward sports.com chat through at Ryan’s reaction Woodward Sports Network greater than ESPN I agree with that I definitely but flannel 3.1 million viewers and look we know that Caitlyn you know the Caitlyn Clark effect is driving that but it led into the NHL on ESPN the kings in the wild 439 thou there were almost 10 times the amount of people watching the WNBA draft in an NHL game I am surprised by that I am I’m surprised it’s so low I guess what are the standards for a regular season NHL game would be my question am I surprised by the difference 100% am I surprised that a regular season NHL game isn’t getting huge viewership not necessarily and with this draft for for example you’ve got you know you have the uh the Caitlyn Clarks obviously and the angel Reese and even like the Sabrina Brink or somebody like that those are those have kind of become big names so I’m not the difference is surprising but I could kind of see a path if that makes sense yeah I I’m just stunned that it’s that low it’s it’s it’s pretty glaring yeah that that is that is absolutely wild to me Freddy Feld I would rather watch C-SPAN than espm damn um man that is tough right there um Brewer Neil the only Sports show I watch right now Woodward Sports Network I appreciate that thanks thanks for tapping in all right we got one more right yep so fifth down on the sports media nickel package the Red Sox Boston Marathon Day game topped out at 150,000 viewers to be fair it was on MLB Network the 1 a reair of the WNBA draft got 30,000 viewers is the MLB in trouble yes and no okay yes and no they’ve been in on being in trouble for a while but that was sobering too the one like so let’s say that again the Red Sox Boston Marathon Day game got 150,000 viewers now yes I know was on MLB Network that’s like a niche Network the 1:00 a.m. eastern time reair of the WNBA draft got 30,000 viewers yeah okay yes and no it’s in trouble no because the while the postseason viewership is down to some degree it’s still pretty strong it’s for the postseason I think again and I you’ve heard me say this before and I’ll say it again the issue for baseball is we have shown oursel to be a society we are a big event Society we are not concerned with the Monday we will not show up on a Tuesday night the LA Dodgers don’t draw on a Monday night we have shown time and time again if it’s a look at Pistons fans when Golden State’s in town on a Friday night can’t get a ticket and that’s and that’s true yeah that’s true you can’t get a ticket but you know uh when Charlotte’s in town on a Tuesday night you can’t give a ticket away we’re just a big event Society man we we want to put it on the gram that we’re there and that’s that’s it like that’s what we are now nobody knows more about that dichotomy than Mr Kool-Aid right here who goes to every game yeah I mean you can confirm all what Neil said right yeah definitely and uh definitely yeah and also baseball there’s 162 of them obviously even like a marathon game it was a weird 1110 a.m. start which is a tradition which is something that they do every year but people are at work and it also baseball I think it’s shown to be more of a regional sport like you’ve got your Baseball towns but on like like for example Sunday Night Baseball isn’t unless you’re unless you’re the man who usually sits here isn’t really that big of a deal that yeah what a door but like you know Boston St Louis Chicago even the Tigers when they’re good like good Baseball towns they’ll they’ll watch but yeah yeah Stam lb’s fault uh Matt says new fans don’t watch games on TV and Matt you’re right to a point with that you are they don’t watch them dayto day but the top end Sports viewership ratings are are higher than they’ve ever been like topend events you know NBA Finals like deciding games stuff like that they’re they’re the highest viewed obviously you know we know the Super Bowl cuz we’re all conditioned to watch it but the big moments we do we watch yeah we watch abely but we’re not watching on a Tuesday night when it’s Charlotte right we’re just not doing it facts all right what’s what’s the last break here we got uh lady James right yeah we do lady James of course awesome is when a guy can be a guy and get an amazing haircut that’s lady James haircuts for men stop in and sit back and relax and let one of Lady Jane’s talented stylists make you look and feel 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nothing to do with it sorry about that GW the kid I didn’t make this stuff up there’s a website that has it all right there for you so again it’s just it’s a snapshot um kg you were talking about baseball and how they just they haven’t grown so I guess would Circle back for those of you that watch the beginning of the show is baseball too light-skinned baseball is the most light-skinned of all the sports really yes so in the in the black community those that play baseball do they skew more dark skinn or more lightskinn they’re definitely more lightskinn really yeah you said that with conviction it’s the truth Kool-Aid yes sir he seems compromised am I I I don’t know the dark no I don’t know if you are I said you seem compromised like the conviction you answer these questions the darker skinned black folks are playing playing basketball and football okay Kool-Aid yes sir do you agree the black community that plays baseball from personal experience that’s what that’s what I actually play baseball in high school in addition to basketball as well no but tell them tell them what they had you do tell them what they had you doing no see you got to add that part look second be ready to dump this show at any moment I let the I let our all down river in steals stolen bases they got me on B he to said just run I was getting two of them things a time so a walk was a triple bro I was even still at home like Jackie Robinson I’m dead serious oh my God I like it Kool-Aid I like it that’s hilarious flanel you’re nervous as hell sitting over there aren’t you again so so you were you were a steel at ho home just like Jackie Robinson did the a catcher just like Yogi Barett get up and just like demonstratively say like no no like we’ve all seen that highlight pissed here her on mark says come on I mean it’s the truth it’s the truth we deal in truth right yeah yeah the fact that they had him just stealing bases is is crazy though but you know it was Wild Man silky Johnson the hater I believe they’re called Dominican no it’s I asked specifically in the black community right right I didn’t ask about the Caribbean Community none of that yes and deal in fact I see Ken griffy in there he is the one exception okay there there’s not a lot of exceptions but he’s one of them okay all right we better get out of here before s pisses himself I’m fine I’m fine I’m fine you notice how he like Taps out though yeah like I want to have the discussion we know you want to be more educated on that’s what I’m saying that’s all it just comes from a place of wanting to know information listen I’m not mad at Sam just stay out of it like it’s just let’s you know that’s why I’m good in any Hood in Pontiac ma’am that is true you ain’t got to check in nowhere I don’t have to check in nowhere all right hey great show guys I had a blast it was a lot of fun all right that’ll do it everybody have a great great weekend for Sam flanel for Kool-Aid for kg I’m Neil Ru thanks for tapping in Big D energy well see you later let me guess Kool-Aid you are number 42