Scott Arfield: “I Would Never Change My Journey”

Scott Arfield recently sat down with Eric Krakauer to discuss his entire career in professional soccer. During the interview, he talked about his experience playing for various clubs, starting from Falkirk and moving on to Huddersfield Town in the Championship and then Burnley in the Premier League. He also spoke about his time playing for Rangers in the Scottish Premiership, being coached by his hero, Steven Gerrard, and more.

it I I would never I would never ever
change my journey for nothing absolutely
nothing because what it’s taught me what
it’s said the player that I’ve became
the person I’ve became if somebody was
to to give me a crystal ball I’d have
chosen that path simply because there’s
rejection there agulation there’s
success there’s absolute heartache along
the way and that’s that’s an emotion
that’s that makes you a better person
going forward I would never change
anything about my career well first of
all with with
Fook looking back you know I was
extremely lucky because there was no
money at F so you had to promote within
so you had to you had to bring these
players through the system so I were
under 19’s t win’s team was effectively
11 of us then went into the first team
because you have to promote within so
what an opportunity we had and it was
maybe five or six that had careers out
with that good ones bad ones short ones
obviously Ms was was longterm still 35
in playing but it was so lucky look at
back at that and a manager that was so
interested in promoting Youth and gave
gave youth the chance so that was that
was incredible and then obviously it
comes to the time where you have to move
on 2122 that’s when you moved to
Huddersfield yeah I think it was it
might have been 20 actually yeah um and
the time was right the time was right to
move on at that time I read I read
somewhere that that there were
opportunities to go to to other clubs
Southampton I think was was the club
that was mentioned were they in the
Premier League at the time yeah they
were yeah so what happened there but I
don’t know I don’t know how far that
went down the line you know I I got
asked about it but I don’t know whether
it actually came to the club to F to
actually accept the bid I’ve never ever
asked that question but it was the right
time to move on and I wanted to move on
I wanted to progress uh the time at
Huddersfield never went as smooth and as
good as what it could have done probably
and to be honest as you get older you
look back at things that you’ve that
you’ve done and I contributed massively
to that Factor on my lifestyle the the
decisions I was chosing to do at that
time yeah well at the time growing up in
Livingston my full Journey was to escape
Scottish Football so I wanted to get to
England as quickly as possible and what
is that one to test yourself and two
obviously it’s financial gain to get
down there and try and look after your
family but the lure of playing against
the best players and there’s there’s
different there’s different sides of
that obviously you can you can light it
up in Scotland and then you could maybe
go to a top 10 Prem or you go the same
Journey as what I did which is which is
more um more common for the player
because in England they sort of look
down at Scottish Football so it’s it’s
very rare that you go to one of the top
teams are one of the the most
prestigious teams um and when I got that
opportunity to go to League one that was
a that was my that was my chance and
obviously like we spoke about there and
lifestyle wise and um you know I was
just doing things and and going out at
times and enjoying my enjoy my my youth
probably more so than what I did and
then once once you go into Burley that
opportunity came to me you get a little
bit more wise you understand your body
you understand when to when to enjoy
yourself and when not to and then it’s
no coincidence that you you start you
start doing better than what you did
before me in particular no I I was I was
um fully responsible and how just
drinking alcohol at long times and and
going out Tuesday afternoons and we had
the day off on Wednesday I would never I
would never drink and be under influence
at training times not at all but it’s
just it catches up even when you’re
younger you think you can get away with
it but performances don’t lie um and I
take full ownership in that uh in that
situation and then I think I had three
or four managers at hfield as well which
somebody signed you doesn’t really go to
plan another one comes in they want to
bring their own players which is fully
natural for that to happen and then you
find yourself leaving a new challenge uh
and thankfully I got the opportunity I
was actually I actually went on trial to
Burley for a twoe trial right so I I
left uh Huddersfield went back into
preseason with Shawn D um and had to
prove my worth and I had the bit between
my teeth I had ey the tiger and and
thankfully I went there and and managed
to gain his trust and uh preseason I
think the first season pretty sure I
played 41 out the 46 games in any get
promoted to the to the Premier League
which is for a sort of Fringe player
coming in then I felt that was a that
was a huge honor to play that am of
games absolutely youe out your contract
at huttersfield yeah yeah r that out
yeah so that must have been a difficult
time for you because you finished your
contract with huttersfield who were in
Championship yeah and then you have to
go on trial was that your first trial
since getting into faer uh it was yeah
yeah it was then I trial for Livingston
my my home team when I was 13 14 and
never got in got rejected so that was
that uh and then went to F done the same
obviously uh Huddersfield signed had to
prove your W again at Bley two
promotions in two seasons up to the
Premier League a lot of people say that
adversity a lot of players that I’ve
spoken to and even coaches have said
that adversity is perhaps one of the
most important things in their career
would you agree with that statement
without a doubt without a doubt because
you have to understand as well there’s
particular at Rangers where a demand at
a club that you’re app for there’s 50
55,000 people watching every second week
There’s Millions watching in the
television not every one of them thinks
you’re good not every one of them thinks
that you should be playing for that club
you know like you you accept that and
it’s up to you to show self-belief and
and complete and utter um and control
your emotions to then prove people wrong
and that’s an emotion that I think in in
uh modern day football I do think it’s
going at the game I think everybody
wants everything given to them I don’t
think they really want to go that extra
that extra yard and I think in in time I
think that modern day footballer is is
completely diminishing I think I was the
last sort of that old school mentality I
would say so I’ve heard that before but
why why do you say that about the modern
footballer is it just your experience
with with younger footballers now well
you spok you don’t put this on
me no absolutely I just see it I just I
think it’s a personality thing right um
I think if you speak to anybody around
my age maybe wesy are he’s a year or two
younger than me Nathan bun maybe the
same think maybe they I say I was the
last maybe they two maybe the 30 32 33 H
that age but it certainly is you can you
can absolutely tell social media’s got a
massive thing on it obviously I’m I’m on
it but I’m not as as trigger happy and
as active as other on that’s a great I’m
going to post this exactly and they need
it they need it for the thing you know
and and listen that’s that’s them if
that’s what if that’s their
uh like the difference that they need
then all be it but you have to accept
that sometimes it’s not going to go well
you’re going to you’re going to get the
other side and I think that um that has
a massive effect in the mod player than
what it did maybe a few years ago and I
guess if the results on on the pitch are
are good ones then nobody really cares
it’s when things when things go uh go
wrong I actually asked Dean about this
yesterday we did an event uh and I asked
him that question you know because he’s
been coaching for a while and he played
in in the lower divisions sort of what I
call Hardman football you know uh and
his answer was very diplomatic cuz we’re
in in front of an audience of I think a
100 people so I think that’s interesting
that you’ve you’ve taken the
conversation that direction yeah I
sometimes watch the news or I read an
article about a coach who’s gotten into
trouble for being abusive with with
players and by abusive I’m not talking
about anything like super egregious but
language um and I immediately go back to
my days playing Academy football in
Portugal and just just how not terrible
but I guess insensitive my coaches were
I mean they would talk to you in a way
it was almost dehumanizing they felt
like they were building you up so
obviously there’s a limit but even the
things that they would say in the locker
room to players were about uh 15 and 16
years old and I just would never fly to
that never coach again never and listen
that that doesn’t mean it was right it
just what it’s just what happened you
know what I mean it was just an
acceptance and nobody challenged it yes
it doesn’t mean it’s right like I was in
I’ve seen some stuff in a locker room
and I’m thinking like it wasn’t right it
wasn’t right back then like what has
been said what’s been done in the locker
room doesn’t mean it’s correct what it
just means is there was more an
acceptance of that but I think like
going back to the modern player I think
that’s what shows you to sort the best
coaches and the best managers now
because you’re never going to get the
same uh level of performance if you
spoke to them how we used to get spoke
to cuz it was an Acceptance in that now
you have to you become a better person
and a better coaching manager because
you have to relate to them right there
has to be a relatedness about that the
man manager side absolutely and it’s
huge I think it’s it’s well bigger than
any tactics any because anybody can look
at a a um a pitch and move move things
in like mannequins or you could move you
could pick up the best formation and you
could do this but to tell players in a
way that they can understand it the
Simplicity the sort of um the
understanding the game management that
that comes for a personal thing that’s a
that’s how you speak to people that just
being a good person really and letting
the man letting the message land so I
think there’s far more Acceptance in
that and I think it’s far more
importance in that rather than the
tactics and motivation as well right
players get motivated by certain coaches
a little bit more than others and they
get motivated by different things right
exactly and and coaches managers need to
tap into those yeah there’s 20 there’s
25 different players 25 different
personalities from maybe 25 different
countries there you go exactly yeah
different upbringings talking about hter
field and the fact that perhaps you Prof
nationalism wasn’t where it needed to be
during your time there then you go to
Burnley you try out it’s a success as
you said your first season you play over
40 games which just speaks to the crazy
schedule in the championship but you’re
playing for Shawn D who’s known as a bit
of a disciplinarian right I mean is that
the correct the perception of him that’s
how he comes across I think to the media
it’s somebody who wants things his way
and he gets results yeah certainly the
the last part yeah it’s way or it’s or
it’s no way and I think that’s a good
thing but he’s got the I don’t think
disciplinarian is a right
um the right terminology to use I think
he’s um he’s a was a phenomenal man
manager he got the best out of every
single every single player and 25
different personalities maybe 10
different nationalities to get them all
on the same page and the budget at that
time I remember seeing it I think we
were third bottom in the budget of the
championship and we finished second I
think just behind Leicester in the first
year and they were far exceeded
everything they they go on the next
season or two seasons later I think and
win the Premier League so they were they
were on their way um after the Takeover
so he was he was a phenomenal manager
and obviously Ashley had him Ashley had
him as well we were at similar times at
at Burnley so he was a fantastic manager
I a phenomenal manager at the time in my
career and I completely needed it and
completely trusted on him was playing a
variety Midfield positions but as long
as he was on the pitch he knew exactly
what I was what I was going to give him
uh I could pop up and and score goals
and he completely trusted me to play so
many games in in the five year that I
was with him and what he was able to do
with the club and his time there is
pretty formidable yeah unbelievable to
keep them to keep them with such a low
budget to keep them in the Premier
League yeah as long as he did yeah and
and I remember seeing him in interviews
at the time and he was saying you’re not
going to overspend he’s not going to put
the chairman and the owner in a
situation where it’s going to become
another club that you see for for years
and they’re always try to recoup their
losses and that was never to happen at
burin it stood them in good stead it’s
uh allowed them to to sell the club in
for another takeover and obviously you
seen them at this at this present time I
think unfortunately I think they will
they will just fall short this season
but there’s no doubt the next two or
three seasons they’ll be they’ll be back
where they where they belong maybe
stronger to sign new players and I think
they have a better goal of it I think it
all starts with with sha D in in one and
what he did because he created the
foundation for where the club is right
now it all yeah so what what do you make
of of how the club is doing doing right
now and the fact that
um uh Belgium Center back why can I
Vincent company has sort of stuck to his
tactical guns has refused to to change
them despite results not going their way
well I think you see that like it’s a
modern manager I don’t think you really
see anybody coming and completely
changing the way some would say it’s
it’s a definition of insanity where you
don’t get the the right results maybe
you do need to go a little bit different
but if you’ve worked so hard and you’ve
done a pre-season and you’ve maybe done
four or five years coaching to then
change it yeah does it do you lose more
than what You’ what you’ve gained if you
telling players to do it when your backs
against the worldall do you lose more or
do you die by your sword effectively do
you go down and then gather momentum do
it again but I think the biggest thing
you have to see is I think it just shows
you the difference in the in the the
sizable difference that is from the
championship to to the Premier League
because I think Burley sitting second
bottom and it absolutely wiped the floor
with last season the championship yeah I
know luton’s doing doing particularly
well might might just have enough to
stay up but the difference in the
championship the jump particular the
first season that I came up was was
pretty seismic it was a it was a great
um sort of learning cover for these
players the difference in the
championship today and the biggest thing
is decision making these players just
make the right decisions at the right
time all the time would you say that
someone once told me that the the
biggest difference between the top
quality player and not your average
professional but your good professional
is really decision- making more than
anything else without a doubt without a
doubt because everybody could probably
do the same things out with the flare
players out with the the top top players
right but everybody does the the same
things but it’s how often they do it the
appreciation at the five yard pass it
looks easy but it’s not because you’ve
got somebody coming straight in there
you need to the appreciation of the pass
is to allow you to take that touch
forward right there’s there’s decision
making that makes players move there’s
decision making that the player will
make the player pass there’s little
things that you see and you you see it
more often when you’re on the pitch with
these players and the cohesiveness with
which you you you move as well as I is
something that I think is super
important but you mentioned Lon for
example now playing in the Premier
League and and doing relatively well a
lot of people expected them especially
the way they started that they’d be Rock
Bottom what’s interesting about them is
they’ve sort of stayed true to a more
defensive and transitional game and it
goes back to what Vincent is doing and
then if you sort of compare a company
with with someone like d i mean those
two types of football are put
diametrically opposed completely
different I think we were more suited we
we we were suited in the in the
championship playing that system and I
think to even you know exaggerate our
movements going into the Premier League
would have been would have just got
popped off right we got relegated maybe
maybe three or four games to go in the
in the first season went back to the
championship won the championship that
that season and and continue to do the
same but just signed a better caliber
player the caliber player just kept on
coming up um but the the system was the
same the movements were the same
everything was the same but when You’
played with the same system for so long
you know it just it’s automatic it’s
automatic it’s Absolut automatic before
we move on and I want to talk about old
firm um was there a player when you were
playing in the Premiership that you
played against and you were like oh my
God this guy is just out of his world
yeah there was so many we’d be here we’d
be here there was a
Haz Hazard on his time CU I was playing
wide at the time Stanford Bridge
hazard’s performance was just he was
Prime Hazard it was Prime that was
Absolut had me and Kieran trip here just
jumping into the stands he was just
absolutely just chopping the life out of
us um and Alexa Sanchez I remember like
the one thing that I remember about Alex
Sanchez we played Arsenal at home and I
think he just say maybe it was his first
season and the mount the mount because
we always had the data in terms of your
Sprints
and distance covered and stuff he was on
top of everything I I think he scored
that night maybe scored two but remember
it was just that was that was the
standard of the player he was incredible
on the ball but he was even better off
the ball right and it was it was just
this full you know the guy was on so
much money a week but the hunger was as
if he’s not anything the hunger was just
to to be the best player all the time on
and off the pitch and that was the one
thing that I kept on looking at just
thinking that’s the difference here
proper Premier League player a superstar
and just a just an average player and
the lifestyle outside of of football as
well right making sure that you’re doing
everything right all right let’s let’s
fast forward to to Scotland you you grow
up in you grow up in Scotland you grow
up in ferk obviously old firm is big for
you even just as as a fan you’re
watching the games between Celtic and
Rangers rangers and and Celtic you get
an opportunity to go uh to Rangers I
don’t think most soccer fans in this
country and I would say in many other
places don’t quite understand the
animosity that exists between the two
clubs that is rooted in a in a lot of
history what was your experience like
how much of a change was it
psychologically for you to go from
somewhere like Burnley where there are
lots of expectations of course but then
to move to arguably the biggest Club in
Scotland and one of the greatest in in
Great Britain yeah the biggest thing
I’ve spoke about this in numerous
numerous times you know how big the two
clubs are but you don’t know how big
they are until you go and you’re a
player because you carry the badge
everywhere you go for the next I was
there for five season you drop the kids
at Nursery you’re carrying the badge
everybody wants a b everybody wants to
punch you or everybody wants to C and
kiss you that is what Glasgow is so you
don’t understand how big it is and how
many people you can reach
for just a game again a normal Saturday
game there’s millions of people watching
that you score you hear about it you
have a bad performance you hear about it
there’s no escapism and and the biggest
thing is every when when I signed
everybody around me my closest my my
nearest and dearest all sign for Rangers
also because their life gets affected by
this right it’s that’s an interesting
it’s an incredible incredible football
club um extremely lucky that I was ever
party at for 10 games never mind over
150 games it was it was unbelievable
experiences the only thing obviously you
want to win win more trophies and have
more things to look back on um but
there’s so many memories along the way
that you know you’re part of that
historical historical football club and
yeah extremely extremely lucky and U and
blessed to be to be a part of that to
look back on so did you have any
semblance of a private life like or or
just could within reason within reason
you could but it was like yeah it was
just the most normal things just wasn’t
a normal thing like going to the
supermarket like I remember dropping the
kids at Nursery that I mean some of the
nursery teachers are Celtic Rangers Fan
so they want to talk about the game and
you’ve played bad or you’ve lost in this
or they’re not educating your kids
properly really exactly um teachers
night became a bit of a mission as well
so but there was loads there was loads
of scenarios where you just you just
could not you could not Escape it
because everybody wants to talk about
you you draw a game you don’t leave the
house for three or 4 days because you
just can’t obviously you go to training
you come back the wife has to go and do
something the kids go and do something
but you stay in if you lose a game it’s
you’re not leaving the house for two
weeks so it’s incredible and then if you
you win it’s more a relief that you can
actually go and do things but but it’s B
for me for me there’s there’s no even a
comparison it’s the biggest game in the
world I mean the little man had just
walked back the early a he’s he was new
to it in the last two or three seasons
and we spoke about it here it’s it’s
just it’s phenomenal football game when
he did his introductory press conference
somebody asked him if you guys had
spoken and he had this sort of uh sneaky
smile on it his face and said no but he
suggested besides you know the abusive
language that you direct at at each
other I’m sure you remember playing
against him pretty well and he remembers
playing against you what was that like
and how is it what’s it like now yeah he
he was a wing I’m not just saying this
cuz he signed but I said this when I
heard that there was interest in him he
was a one Winger and they had they had
Fantastic Team Celtic um under Posta C
they really did had phenomenal football
players but he was the one the one
Winger that you just didn’t want to play
with he pops up with so many goals and
and so many big moments for H for Celtic
and just crashing the back post so if he
gets anywhere near the form and a
Charlotte shot that he did in Celtic
then I’m sure the fans are going to
really take to him oh that’s that’s
that’s great to uh to hear there there
are a couple other things that I wanted
to ask you about old firm but I’m also
mindful mindful of your time
but you you’ve mentioned outside you
know the football pitch and the way that
game affected your life when you walk
out onto the field and that’s the
game is it’s not just another it’s not
not just another game right this is a
very special event but for you in terms
of preparation do you need to do
anything differently to to to Really
prepare yourself for what you’re about
to face for the next 90 minutes no I
tried to in the first couple to try and
stay off your phone and stop talking to
people but everybody it’s it’s
unavoidable normally and throughout my
career you I don’t think about the game
like even the game in in Saturday I
won’t think of obviously you do your
preparation and you’re aware of players
but in terms of thinking about the game
against Toronto on Saturday there’s very
limited time that I’ll actually think
about that game because I think your
your nervous energy just overtakes you
and as you get older you realize that
these are we things that can can make
you more fatigued in the game going
forward so as soon as a soon as a
whistle blows then you’re on it but I
like to not think about it but this game
is sometimes it’s it’s unavoidable
you’re thinking about it just pops up
different things and U most of my Mets
are Rangers fans some of my Mets are
Celtic fan so it’s just you’re just
you’re in there
so of course you’re you’re in group
chats and everybody’s sending things in
so it’s a it’s a phenomenal game as it
really is I’m so lucky I’ve been part of
it for many a year I I remember you know
in my formative years old firm games
were were quite big for me and I I
remember one weekend in
particular uh it was you know Celtic
Rangers Pier van ho dunk was playing for
for Celtic at the time and he had a
sorry to say this he had a great game
for he had a great game for Celtic and
uh that same weekend Liverpool beat
Newcastle 43 and I remember that weekend
alone when I when I think back to the
most impactful weekends of football that
I’ve seen that was one of them cuz it
was amazing that Keegan over the
advertising book wasn’t it I think so St
colore scored was it hatrick or two
goals that was a great game that was a
proper game uh
peterley SCA was yeah I mean that was
those two teams nostalgic nostalgic that
was poer football wasn’t it it was it
was I’m I’m glad that I grew up watching
sort of ’90s football for me for me it
was was big and when I think about the
old old firm I think obviously people
like Pierre van hoong for Celtic I think
of Henrik lson think of Barry Ferguson
for for you guys Yan Malby yeah
um just big names that were involved
involved with it uh International
Football you played youth for for
Scotland but then you get an opportunity
2016 was it 2016 to to play for for
Canada how did that come about and was
it an easy decision for you to make that
one time switch it was it was going
forward yeah I was playing I think I was
I think it was the season we got
back back into the Premier League so I
was I was doing well on the championship
that was a um the last International
which would have been in November the
FIFA
international I was thinking I was going
to get called up to Scotland um at that
time but at the time to be honest there
was there was maybe 10 players that
could play in ctim mid for for Scotland
had a very strong team at that time uh
and then I spoke to the the manager sha
Dice and then spoke to the Scotland
manager Gordon Sten and basically just
reiterated that I’m I’m well down in the
pecking order in this uh campaign going
forward so then I just started um
looking at different Avenues my my dad
was born in Toronto he always says to me
says as a kid I would love you to play
for play for Canada but obviously born
and raised in Scotland you’re thinking
that that’s going to be that’s going to
be the the route that you go down then
it more got to that and I was I was just
needing that an injection in terms I
just wanted to sense this International
Football what is it uh and at the time I
was playing with a boy called David
Edgar who was Canadian at Burnley great
lad and we were at one of the boys uh
birthday parties and I just ceased him
my dad was born in Toronto just in I
yeah just in passing it was like 2 in
the morning or something and he got the
the CEO of Canadian Association Morgan
he got him on the phone that night and
then in the match I was playing against
Mexico at BC Place in Vancouver so it
just went it just quite a trip as well
quite a trip it was my first one the
weather not to different though Scot and
Van and it was H but it was amazing and
I wouldn’t have changed it again that
was that was the route that went down it
and absolutely loved it loved it Lov the
manager that I played with love seeing
this side of the world John Herman yeah
at the time we had Michael Finley we had
um
Octavio um we had I think four or five
different managers and then John came in
and and studied the ship and you could
see what was going to happen happened
the 2 uh what would that have been 2022
was it 22 something yeah there about cuz
he was yeah you mean in the in the world
so you know you know it was going to it
was just going to take that turn he was
he was definitely going to get it to
where it was going to go um so yeah that
was right at the start of that campaign
he done a phenomenal job going forward
and yeah I’ve just just absolutely loved
it absolutely loved it seeing the side
it and this was what really appeti wed
my appetite for for the MLS because all
the players played in the MLS at this
time and I was intrigued and fascinated
about this time so I think a large part
of me sat here today was back in 2016
2018 talking to these players and seeing
this side it was always something I
wanted to do it’s amazing how you know
somebody’s career the career this is why
I wanted to talk to you because your
career Arc and the way you’ve you’ve
gone about going to different teams and
how you’ve ended here is is is really
interesting I was going to ask you
something about you know the Europa
League final but you know time has sort
of wound down because not only did you
play Under the pressure of of an old
firm Derby but you’ve taken a penalty in
a final that you made yeah uh so I guess
I will ask tracker as well top Corner
was a cracker yeah I I remember I
remember that game well the environment
in seevilla was crazy in that that game
it was um but that’s I mean like you’re
sat with a with a silver medal and for
one penalty you could been anybody that
missed
itar misses it but you know it could
have been anybody that missed it could
have been a Frank foot player or
whatever but the run to the field you
know we overachieved there’s absolutely
no doubt about that there’s far better
football teams in that competition than
than us getting to ceville um putting
out the likes um Bia Dortmund and and
leig in particular is far exceeding but
just shows you with togetherness a
stadium uh an environment an atmosphere
can can really do Spooks the Spooks the
best and yeah I felt was if we were at
it we really did we really did deserve
to be there in the end and as I say as
one pen it would kick away from from
being a winner but I mean it was a TI
contested game yeah it was yeah had a
big chance Ryan Ryan Kent had a a chance
right end the extra time as well to put
it in keeper does a good save so yeah
it’s one of them but you’ve you’ve been
there you’ve played in the final it’s it
could have been better but but at least
you were there there’s better players
than me that’s never played in the final
that’s that’s that’s true very quickly
on Steven Gerard because you know you
want a a Scottish Premiership with him
you got to the final with him what’s it
like being coached by one of the guys
who’s considered one of the greatest
players in the Premier League well he
was he was my hero Stephen Gerard he was
as soon as he came into the club he had
that order he had that when you heard
that I signed for Rangers two weeks
before and and had a whisper from the
CEO who signed me that Steven was going
to come in and I was so excited and
obviously he phones me just before it
gets
announced and your excitement levels
through the door and then the first
season was just felt short second season
was cold and then the third season we
knew we got to do it he’s just had this
amazing order his staff was absolutely
fantastic and we managed to win the one
the big one the fif to fifth title with
Rangers and yeah phenomenal man still
speak to him um and really really
enjoyed him second best paid coach in
the in World football right now after
Diego Simone Sim Dean Smith Dean Smith
told me that I knew about Diego Simone
being the best paid right but he asked
meest who’s number three
Smith who knows knows who knows hey man
I really appreciate your I know we went
a little bit long there were some
microphone issues but I I I think we’re
going to find a way to put that in there
cuz that that was gold nice one thanks
much pleas the best good to talk to you
cheers mate