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your hosts mace and cam what’s good
killer how you doing
man I’m good how you today man really
good man getting better that’s what’s up
that’s what’s up St how you doing man
I’m
great money money Green in the gold you
feel
me yeah look like you was Harlem shaking
for a
minute the money sh I forgot about that
dance the money Green in the gold yeah
good day guys it’s a good day really
good day
yes okay so but it’s not a good day for
Terrell Suggs I’ll tell you that so
Terrell sug reportedly pulled out a gun
and threatened to kill a man in an
argument while at Starbucks he said he
feared for his safety thoughts on the
whole incident and then this runin in
general this happened in Scottsdale
Arizona
wow this is this is pretty interesting
because um I wouldn’t
think that that Terrell Suggs would
would do this in
and um Scottdale and I know everybody is
innocent to proven guilty however I’m
I’m I’m very happy that he’s doing well
and the other guy is doing well because
in a city like Arizona or a state like
Arizona in a city like
Scottdale um pretty much everybody got a
gun so I would think that that would be
the last place for you to flash a gun
especially if you’re not using it
because
they have this law where where you could
protect somebody else like so say if
you’re if you’re flashing a gun somebody
else that has nothing to do with it can
shoot you trying to protect me so I
thought that was a very dangerous game
that that he found himself in I mean at
that point that you fell threatened for
your life he was better off using it
than flashing it that’s what I’m
basically saying and I’m I’m happy he
didn’t use it it but it was very very
dangerous you get what I’m saying you
understand that rule yeah so it’s it’s
pretty much probably the same in Florida
but they will not hesitate to use brutal
force Paws in in
Arizona especially on the black
guy the I’m dealing with today I just
want to know what beer is here
today
no I’m
just just asking what I’m dealing with
today I just see because some you got a
lot of
personalities cuz if we wasn’t if we
wasn’t on TV right now you would
something a [ __ ] what happened to even
one of them but you’re very glad that
everybody’s
safe I was actually taking a page out of
your
book you normally say this this is what
M was trying to
say
so I figured I help you out and you
normally say don’t help you
so glad that everybody’s safe as
well yeah you feel if you feel like you
got a flash it you you probably should
have used it if everybody in that star
that day I really glad that y’all okay
mace doesn’t care if anybody was okay
and that’s Starburst personally when
nobody’s looking I’m just telling y’all
no he doesn’t care if nobody was okay as
long as long as he was me me and him
wasn’t hurt cuz I don’t care nether to
be honest with you look person and and
all jokes aside of course we we’re happy
everybody’s okay yeah but look Terrell
Owens I mean Terrell ow and Terrell
sus I don’t know him off the field like
that but on the field he’s a pretty wild
[ __ ] these football [ __ ] got
reputations of being wild [ __ ] some of
them not all of them some of them
especially against females if you ever
Google the female brutality of football
players against women is outrageous it
really is um secondly uh like May said I
don’t know how many people are familiar
with scotchdale I spent some time in
scotchdale myself yeah I and and
everybody’s situation different and I’m
not saying that nothing can happen to
anybody
anywhere but and I’m not saying I’m I’m
Terrell sugs either
but SCD is one of them place first of
all Starbucks I don’t really know a lot
of people and anybody can walking
anywhere like I said but lifethreatening
situations in Starbucks is kind of crazy
and then the one in
scottsd I feel real safe in Scottdale
when I go to
Scottdale like I said I don’t know if
[ __ ] follow you be where you at
Scottdale seems like a pretty safe place
Scottdale for people that don’t know is
not Phoenix is is is it’s the B air or
whatever you want to call a phoenix is
is very nice there not a lot of crme and
a lot of [ __ ] goes on but hey at the end
of the day I can’t I I don’t really have
much to say ma made a great point I
wouldn’t pull and that not that’s not
just Phoenix that’s not just gun lws
that’s not just whatever don’t ever pull
a gun out nowhere and don’t and don’t
use it you know what I’m saying
um that kid Benji from Chicago that
story supposed to be probably the best
[ __ ] that ever came out of Chicago says
over 2030 different NBA players and he
got shot in high school for pulling out
a gun on somebody and not using it and
other person had a gun so
um I agree with Mason it just not about
gun Lords it’s about don’t ever pull a
gun out unless you’re ready to use it
because you never know who else is ready
to use their and who has theirs on them
yeah and I was thinking about it like
what was the conversation that led to
you feeling like your life was
threatened in Starbucks like how did
that go you’re getting coffee you’re
getting a bagel and and what what
happened like was it enough sesame seed
or like what happened to make them so
escalate basically what happened was
Suggs he backed into another vehicle
behind him and then the vehicle had the
camera footage and audio up of it so
then they both got out the cars and got
in an argument and then like it
escalated a little bit then I guess he
got back back in his car because he told
him to go away and then sug said
basically threatened that he would kill
him basically got back in his car and
flashed his gun out and then that was
the dumbest thing you could do with your
back turned showing your gun out the
car so what what was supposed to happen
now if if that guy sees the gun and he
says get down and just shoot then
everybody would say what what just
happened here you can’t do that
man Killer Is Right these football
players man they got to chill out not
all football players but you definitely
can’t be doing that and that Starbucks
just cuz somebody backed into a what a
parking
space well backed into his car so sugs
backed into his car the other dude’s car
yeah so he hit his car and now he want
smoke with him yeah but he said because
of the way the argument went I guess he
feared he said he he felt like he was in
a dangerous
situation he was probably
high he you hit my car and now you’re
beefing with me it probably would
escalate if somebody hit your brand new
car and then they they they picking out
a problem with you you already got a
damaged car you you’re really not trying
to hear
that this is crazy
yeah and also as far as what cam was
saying I thought um Scottdale was
relatively safe too which I didn’t know
because no I was just there this weekend
long story short fight ended up
happening at you know a spot and it was
like a whole bunch of dudes like coming
out the spot so me my instinct I went
behind a black car cuz I’m like okay
like I like I’m not going to like run
and stuff like that but I’m not going to
be standing there and everybody else is
standing around and watching and they
were like why did you basically asking
me why did I go away because in Florida
people are pulling out guns I’m not
going to stand right I don’t need to
watch a fight I’m good like I don’t
that’s not exciting for camera you’re
not a part of that generation you wanted
camera that’s so silly like every
Everybody seen fights I got to stand
there and watch y’all fight for what
like I’m fa to go I’m not going to stand
there $800 for the video absolutely not
bump the video cuz it was the people
performing bump the video bump that why
would I stand right there and watch
y’all fight and everybody’s like oh
don’t worry people don’t pull out guns
here I was like you never know until it
happens and then the next day you hear
about sub yeah so I was like okay I
wanna I wanna I want to add a disclaimer
to that real quick as far as what you’re
telling me it depends on the timeline
too now if it was over the weekend or
the last five six days it was a probably
a bunch of people from out of town in
Scottdale because of the NCAA tournament
right so uh if it happened in the last
four or five days and it’s a bunch of
people in town from out of town I you
know you don’t know you don’t know what
what you’re dealing with but I’m just
saying in general the majority of just
when it’s a regular time in Scottdale
it’s pretty safe place yeah but you got
events going on you don’t know yeah so
don’t try that on Super Bowl
right and and that’s what I said cuz the
Scottdale locals were like oh don’t wor
I’m like even I would worry regardless
just cuz that’s you know for I’m just
used to that but in addition I was like
a whole bunch of people are here from
out of town like you don’t know what
could pop off so don’t think just
because that means it’s cool to go watch
the fight and Lambo stat ran behind a
black SUV yeah Lambo
stat I was like oh let me tell you
something let me tell you something
about Arizona Arizona is the place to go
to jail at man yeah Arizona them [ __ ]
don’t play they first of all they got
the regular police and they got several
different gang units and task force like
I was I had a a party in Scottdale this
may have been five years ago this
probably before Co I haven’t really been
doing a lot of partying or doing shows
or whatever since Co I’m been very
selective but
before um Co I had a party Scott it’s
early 2019 probably and
and um I was outside the club and a dude
was kind of further away from me and he
was like Cam dipet and you know for
people that don’t know this kind of
Assan but for dipet this really just me
East Coast West Coast got this this
really me East Coast but I kind of
started that so somebody like Dip set so
I did this to
them the gang unit this is outside the
club just ran out of nowhere like seven
undercover cops [ __ ] with the tactical
gear on it was like you throwing up gang
sa I said no I’m part of a music group
he said we seen what you just did with
your fingers I said
bro I wish I was there for
that y bro I said yo I just threw up the
this is the sign for the group now out
here that’s a gang sign I said well I
don’t know what it means out here if you
ask anybody in the RAP Community this is
Esau which means Dip set same thing now
well they P me they made a big deal the
[ __ ] I was with they threatened to
take them to jail just for trying to
talk to them they the the the Scottdale
Arizona police are vicious and it’s gang
units because you got to think about it
it’s a that’s the one state and don’t
get me wrong I tell people keep your ID
on you no matter where you’re at but
that’s the one state if you don’t have
your ID you’re definitely going to jail
they figure it out from jail because
they got a lot of immigrants there from
Mexico so they they’re really big big on
um immigration gang unit task force all
type of [ __ ] man this was just outside
the club saying thr [ __ ] Dipset what’s
up man I was had to sit on the floor sit
on the curb for 25 minutes run my [ __ ]
and all that and I just was telling a
[ __ ] what’s
up it’s scottd was for you they’re not
playing and they and their jails are so
they have the inmates outside and and
you have to wear pink all day is a pink
jump y yep their jumpsuits are
pink and it’s 120 in the summer yeah
yeah and they used to complain and they
was like you know what I ask the God why
do y’all do that he said we want to make
sure you never come back to jail you
never get in trouble in Arizona
again it worked
so okay so moving along the king’s G
league coach Lindsay Harding will
interview for the Hornets head coaching
job she could be the first woman to get
an NBA head coaching job so one what is
you guys opinion on the state of the
Hornets and then what do you guys think
about her potentially getting the
job I’m going to let cam go first on
this
boss what do you think killer Lindsay
Harden
y’all both thinking yeah that’s what I’m
thinking um first of all it’s good do
she do she
uh she’s getting the the interview I say
that and but I don’t know much about the
Hornets part me the the G League team
that she was coaching like I don’t
really I haven’t up with the Kings G
League to see how good the Kings G
League are if they like Champions or did
they win I don’t [ __ ] know you know I
have no idea but I’ll say
this some people I don’t know like an
wolf for people that don’t know Ann Wolf
she’s a former boxer who’s now a boxing
trainer and she gets a lot out of her
Fighters the fighters that she does
train you know I don’t know if they go
hard for her because it’s more of a
mother tough ass mother figure or
whatever else but
um I really have no idea what to say
about it because besides that I’m happy
she’s getting an interview because I
don’t know her resume to be honest with
you um I didn’t I didn’t pay attention
to what her resume is uh secondly it’s
definitely GNA be an adjustment in the
locker room if it say she does get the
job yeah because I remember the first
referee female referee years ago and
would you know they kind of players I
remember Chris Paul in general and and
or not in general off the top of my head
there was other players too but I
remember Chris Paul her first game she
referee one of Chris Paul games and
Chris Paul was like you don’t know what
the hell you’re doing yelling in her
face because I guess she made a call to
Chris Porter and like um sometimes look
it builds morale sometimes and sometime
it’s like what is this lady doing the
[ __ ] in here man um so I don’t know um
we’ll have to wait and
see uh I’m I’m still pardon me if I’m
I’m pondering while I’m talking to y’all
cuz I’m thinking about it it could be
good to be bad look Greg papovich had a
female assistant till she left and went
to the WNBA Hamond uh she now yeah she
coaches the aces right yeah so she won
two championships leaving Greg papovich
now this was Becky Hamman and you asking
me about her
Charlotte I’m going say she got the
resume for it she got NBA experience
she’s a two-time champion in the WNBA
and I could go a little bit more of her
resume I don’t know Lindsay’s resume
that well to make a decip decision right
now but it’s good to show diversity and
at least in the
interview this is this is an interesting
um topic it seem like um this is a
growing mindset that I see um growing as
as Society
evolves um I’m not sure if it’s a good
thing or a bad thing but you are asking
me the question I’m really never in
favor of
um this might be a a whirlwind of a
statement but I’m never in favor of
women Leading Men it don’t matter what
it
is so that’s why are you looking at
me you’re like never in
favor me personally that’s just my my
own I was I was just brought up
traditionally just like with with values
that they they’ve been very instilled in
me and I and I try to stick to those
values um I think she could do a great
job not that she’s not capable of it um
I just don’t think women are supposed to
be um Leading
Men I’m waiting for you to move on from
there I
know I kind of disagree with that I kind
of disagree with that it depends on what
it is but Ma I get where mace is coming
from too certain people would certain
people would never have that yeah me I’m
a part of that group you know no no no
yeah you my grandfather Uncle few of y’
[ __ ] it it would never
happen yeah but for me
personally me personally whatever is
going to maximize my
dollar I’m in favor
for just that’s just that’s just me you
know what I’m
saying I’m for Liberation I’m For You
know the the growth of a woman I’m for
all of those things I’m just
for for for that for that that that
particular
piece no I dig it and I understand where
you coming from but I’m just just can
personally I know you got your opinion I
got mine my opinion is whatever
maximizes my dollar I’m in favor for
look the queen of Harlem Stephanie St
Clair Stephanie St Clair she ran Bumpy
Johnson in them [ __ ] whatever year the
40s 50s whatever that was she’s the
queen of heroin all that work for her
all the toughest [ __ ] the [ __ ] like
to bring up Frank Lucas Nicki
bares Bumpy Johnson they all underneath
her I mean Nicki and them came later but
she was running the whole heroin racket
in Harlem and almost aund something
joints ago 80 years however long ago it
was but they didn’t care because that
was maximiz and they die these are we
don’t talk about huh and that’s what Mak
is kind of talking about it’s kind of
like man sweep part into the rug call
the [ __ ] who’s putting the work in and
that’s how certain men are raised
traditionally and I get it but me
personally if it’s going to maximize my
D look I was Sig the Epic Records years
ago the Pres the president was pie
Anthony you know she didn’t do the best
job when I was there but she had a bunch
of [ __ ] who was underne underneath the
roster during her tant there and it ran
smoothly so I get where mace is coming
from but for me personally
wherever’s gonna maximize my dollar I’m
full but I get where he’s suing from
yeah I’m just I’m just not of that
mindset I’m just up the Monet of what
are we getting out of it and then just
to add to that for people who are
watching so she was the number one pick
by the Phoenix Mercury in the 2007 WNBA
draft she basically had a 10-year career
and she became the only woman head coach
in either the NBA or G League when she
started coaching the Sacramento Kings G
league team my followup question because
I know you guys were saying you don’t
know her resume Don Staley did
previously you know F out for head
coaching job didn’t get it yeah if it
was Don Staley would you be for it or
you’re still just like no oh Cam would
be for it cam we know cam would be for
it cuz if it makes if it makes a dollar
um to me I’m I’m of that mindset that
that women there’s powerful women
everywhere there’s there’s anointed
women there’s there’s great women but I
just that’s not the structure that I see
in my brain you know my brain I’m not
wired like
that oh that’s just it me me personally
if it’s D Sly I’m with
that you know why because Don Stanley
look like she’s relatable to me if I
could Vibe with
you and and we could talk and we can we
on the same
Accord I don’t look at it as a sexist
thing you know what I’m saying the only
you know where it goes south at where it
goes south at is when you start having
sex with them then feelings get involved
and it starts getting emotional if you
keep sex out the building if you keep
sex out of
it then should have go
smooth and as much as and as much as Don
sty is a beautiful woman um fly fly lady
dope as [ __ ] I wouldn’t I wouldn’t be
sexually attracted to her I would look
at her more as one of my homeboy and I’m
not saying she’s a guy un likee that
very very nice looking uh lady but I’m
more I get when I see her with the Louis
Vuitton on I’m more like yeah yeah [ __ ]
[ __ ] is sh I would Swip the jacket white
brush her shoulder off yeah coming in
with that Louis huh let’s get to work I
get that vibe from Dar Stanley to me me
personally I don’t look at her as a a
feminine female coach she’s not gonna
come in there with heels on and I’m not
say any of these ladies are I’m just
saying if if I’m going off the ey test
off the ey test I’m looking like I can
Vibe with da stem I wouldn’t have a
problem with that so so when the game is
over and guys got their towels on and
they walking around naked um how do how
do you how do you protect that as the
coach because coach that’s a part of the
interaction with with the players you
say about that I I said that when we
first started talking about this topic I
said it would definitely there be an
adjustment in the locker room that was
the first thing I said oh I what you
saying yeah yeah I don’t I don’t know
how that will work that’s a great
question but that was the kind of how I
let
the let’s go where we going tonight and
she looking like yeah yeah like look let
me give you an example you don’t think
it that’s they’ll just they’ll just do
their thing assistant coach whatever
they’re going to be men’s in there and
then when they’re ready they’ll bring
her in kind of like at the Colorado game
like we were all in the locker room I’m
not seeing nobody walking around
you like
okay yeah and and and it’s
like it’s like for me D St like y put
your [ __ ] on [ __ ] [ __ ] out of here like
my home girl yeah if y’all ever watch
The
Wire my home girl Snoop you know what
I’m saying shout out to Snoop from
no you know we hang out and [ __ ] we hung
out in the club before somebody tried to
give a hug like and kiss on the cheek
like yo what up and I’m not comparing D
sty I’m just saying no I’m just telling
you that’s the the demean I get I’m not
saying I’m not comparing her to Sno but
she might be snooper coaching women’s
basketball CU she killing [ __ ] so when
I say that I say that like somebody
tried to come over and give Snoop a hug
and kiss on the cheek and she pushed the
[ __ ] off [ __ ] [ __ ] is wrong with you
bro [ __ ] is you trying to hug me for I
look like one of them [ __ ] like you
know what I’m saying I’m not comparing
her to that but I’m just saying some
people don’t give off that energy and
you know you don’t want a girl trying to
flirt with you or trying to you know
give you them them puppy eyes or give
you one of them looks that and you know
seems like she’s flirting I wouldn’t get
that from D me
personally and then another player
former NBA player Ben mmore was arrested
Tuesday and booked on accusations of
first deegree rape and other sex crimes
so one how do you guys feel about the
situation and all of these players
recently who’ve been getting in trouble
what’s what’s second degree rate what’s
what’s third degree because when you say
first
degree I’m I’m not that well versed I
don’t know second and third
but it just says he’s facing first
deegree rape and first degree unlawful
sexual penetration which are A felonies
so yeah he’s definitely he definitely um
quoting not quoting him but charging
them with something that’s really
serious this is not play play and Ben
McLemore is that the guy he he used to
play for the Sacramento
Kings yeah wow this is not
good this is totally not good cuz
somebody like him he he was supposed to
have a really good career as a NBA
player so what what city is this in I
was looking at the name it just seemed
like like I didn’t know where that city
was I don’t even know how to say
that he went in one of them towns he was
in that Oregon he was in that get out
Oregon he was in that get out you can
hear the name of that City try to
pronounce
it you try to pronounce it you the one
went to school for journalism we’re
rappers ah that mean you’re great with
words okay
speak it in
syllables clack of a clack of a or
again black a
mus that that’s not good I don’t to all
of the students that went to school with
thatat stat is on TV and can’t pronounce
Clackamas to be fair to be fair a lot of
journalists have phonetic spelling out
for words that that are difficult all
right I don’t got no phone etic spelling
or a teleprompter telling me what to say
so oh man oh this this is just not good
no matter where where it happens at um
for a God that’s an NBA player it
doesn’t seem like they’re going after
money it seem like they’re really trying
to um get some justice and I prefer that
when people if they feel like they’re
wrong that they they try to do something
about it not just get money from it
because that’s all I’ll say cuz people
be taking my clips and making it mean
other things I got to watch what I
say I just heard that when I was about
talk about
this that’s what they that’s what they
supposed to do yeah man when you on fire
yeah this is but I’ll say about this is
real quick is that first of all I I you
know until when it comes to rapes s and
[ __ ] like that I don’t prove nobody
guilty until they’re guilty I I use the
old school phrase innocent until proven
guilty because once you’re locked into
this or or you’re
convicted you’re a register sex offender
yeah that that’s not good man yeah you
got to tell the town you moved in the
town you can you can’t be 200 feet
within an elementary school you got to
change your jogging Direction whatever
you doing that [ __ ] is a real real thing
so so that’s what I’ll say first
secondly what I’ll say is just to all
these uh athletes out there and not just
athletes entertainers people in the
public eye and not necessarily even the
public eye but just people in the public
eye for this particular statement that
I’m about to
say when they want to [ __ ] with you
meaning the media they will [ __ ] with
you bro I haven’t heard [ __ ] about your
career you’ve been in an NBA since 2013
I a’t hear about you as a basketball
player I a’t hear you had a good night
one night and maybe I missed a few
nights I’m not going to lie CU but you
ain’t never been one of them ones you
ain’t never been like oh what’s Ben
mamore doing or whatever last name is
you ain’t but you got a rap now you head
your headline not only that he hasn’t
even been in the NBA in two years he
playing a professional league in Spain
so therefore they’re making a story out
of you and you don’t even playing the
NBA no more you’ve been out for two
years two and a half years it’s going on
three years you haven’t even been in the
NBA so that goes to show when they need
a headline or they need a story they
will make you the story no matter how
good or bad you are you are a former NBA
player so n your news because probably
wasn’t much other news going on so
athletes entertainers people in the
public out don’t put yourself in these
situations unless you I mean and don’t
get me wrong no just respect to the
female anything if that happened then
that’s [ __ ] up and needs to be
prosecuted to the force extent of the
law but at the end of the day if it’s if
the shoes on funny like it ain’t even go
down like that be careful of the
situations you put yourself in because
now your news yeah you haven’t been news
we haven’t been caring what’s going on
with you nobody knew you was in Spain
nobody knew you was over there but now
[ __ ] know be
careful and make better decisions and
now person I
just yeah it’s then that’s why that was
a great question ma what’s the degrees
of rape because we knew somebody that
was accused to rape and it wasn’t done
physically it was mentally it was one of
them if you don’t do this then I’m GNA
tell people this and da D and I didn’t
know in high school that that was rap
yeah I was saying it wasn’t I didn’t
know you know when you’re in high school
I’m thinking to
myself and I realize it’s the 90s I’m
sitting there saying to
myself well should he be in trouble for
talking out of it but that’s a law yeah
that’s a law too you have to be careful
even if there no
physical damage done if you mentally
mind [ __ ] them so to speak and that may
not be the right term to use but I use
it for the time being and tell them yo
you better do this or else that’s a rape
also for people that don’t know that
yeah and that’s why I keep saying yeah
cuz you’re educating them on what
exactly is is taking place when I look
at this they’re saying that um according
to the news he’s he’s actually this case
was sealed it was actually sealed so
they wasn’t even trying to put it out
there I guess whoever got the news
started running with it because the the
court case had the documents sealed and
he was supposed to but they but once
they got the information they put it out
there and even put his court case out
there like July 1st or something he’s
going to be at court so whoever got this
was doing very nasty
work
right any final thoughts no so his
lawyer was doing his job trying to keep
the indictment s it’s definitely like
until they got to the bottom of it but
you know rape is just one of those
things it seem like today that people
are just calling rape I think and I
think anytime somebody does rape
somebody this is a serious matter and it
should be prosecuted at the fullest
extent of the law however they need to
start
making a law for people that like just
maliciously say that somebody raped them
because what that does for artists what
it does for for for sports just anybody
it messes up a person’s entire life what
because if somebody say this about you
if it’s not true it’s going to mess your
whole life up whether it’s true or
not and they they they need to put
something there to protect both citizens
men and
women on that note we’re going to go to
break and when we return we will discuss
the Ringer’s top 30 players don’t go
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free welcome back now let’s get into our
Underdog fantasy pcks of the day the
Warriors will play the Blazers Underdog
fantasy has Steph Curry at 6 first
points give him higher or lower mace
higher is
Portland Portland he’s going
to okay I’m gonna go higher Draymond
Green is at seven and a half rebounds
you have them higher or lower
cam
higher higher he and DeAndre Aon is at
12 and a half rebounds them higher or
lower
mace ah if he getes out of this s is it
still snowing in Portland snow the air
mattress the air mattress I’m going low
pause I’m going lower I’m I’m definely
going lower he’s an underachiever I’m
not [ __ ] with that [ __ ] okay download
the in fantasy app and you can make your
picks too so the ringer updated their
top 30 players I’m going to read the
first 10 and I’m curious on you guys’
thoughts and if you guys would rank it
the same way so right now they have yic
at one Luca at two Giannis at three then
SGA embiid Hawaii Jason Tatum Steph
Curry Kevin Durant and lastly Anthony
Davis one what is you guys’s thoughts on
this list and is there anybody on this
list that you feel like should not be on
this list they said that they updated
the 30 yeah they’re top 30 but you only
named about how I named their top the
the first 10 oh okay the 30 is a lot oh
yeah I don’t I definitely don’t agree
with ringer I definitely don’t agree
with ringer ringer
listen I hate when people try to paint a
narrative that’s not conclusive and it
and it it leaves out very pertinent
information there’s no way you got a top
30 players and you don’t have J Maran in
it it’s it’s just it’s
absolutely what’s the word I’m looking
for asinine it’s asinine that you don’t
have J a
rent but they but they might they might
just mean for this season murder because
they said it’s updated they may I don’t
know I’m not cosigning them but I’m just
saying let’s just go let’s just go let’s
based off the fact that it’s this season
okay if it’s this season then I I I
could go with that
okay but I I gotta keep J alive I gotta
keep J live J was acquitted it was
self-defense killer the [ __ ] threw the
ball like a baseball and and and J
corrected him about it the thing about
it was J was never in trouble with the
NBA like that that was just a part of
you know something they they tacked on
his jacket he was in trouble with the
NBA for ke flashing them
pistols yeah GI didn’t have a pistol in
months now he’s been cool he haven’t
been sh he haven’t been showing no guns
he wasn’t at Starbucks think about it is
it about J J would be playing J got hurt
and there NBA for J Ain playing right
now J’s
hurt J would be playing if he wasn’t
hurt he been sto being
suspended so you agree with ringus top
30
list what’s those last five people stat
yeah so the last five we got Hawaii
Jason Tatum Steph Curry Kevin Durant
Anthony
Davis I’m taking Anthony Davis out and
putting LeBron James on there I’m taking
it out I’m taking I’m taking Anthony
Davis out why do Anthony Davis on the
top 10 list ahead of LeBron James that’s
crazy that’s that’s ridiculous yeah this
that’s real ridic that’s good and can I
just add super quick I wouldn’t have
Kawai above LeBron so they actually have
LeBron at 12th so it’s Anthony Davis
then Devin Booker then LeBron yeah I
wouldn’t have Kawai ahead of LeBron I’m
just saying that we’re going from this
year like Cam said are we going by this
year or not because we’re going by this
year say it says it says updated so we
we’re going to narrow it down and keep
it to this yeah this yeah then there’s
no way that you have Kawai above LeBron
I don’t have Kawai above LeBron in fact
I wouldn’t even have Kevin Durant above
LeBron if we’re going on this season
alone I think LeBron has been having a
phenomenal year so yall know I’m not I’m
not hating on LeBron I I give credit
where credit is due he’s had a few great
outstanding games and I can’t say the
same for everybody else the the other
two names that we name and I love Kevin
Durant is is is one of my favorite
players yeah I can agree with that
LeBron James is having a sensational SE
season um especially with Anthony Davis
being out whenever he’s out other
players playing well and not playing
well you know we got to realize before
the trade deadline came D’Angelo Russell
was was almost on a buffet they had him
out yeah said gock go figure out what
y’all want to do with him they just
couldn’t figure out a trade he’s been
playing decent since since the
um since the trade deadline but at the
end of the day not decent enough to get
them out the ninth seed or eth seed
whatever seed they end up in uh when
everything’s said and done in the next
couple days so yeah LeBron I agree with
Mason sment the bigger picture to me in
this list that we’re naming is that the
first five none of them are from America
and this is what I’m talking about the
first five players n none of them are
from America and this is what I’m saying
the game went worldwide a one [ __ ] from
America in that top five list that’s
that’s not that’s a fact when they list
and I’m not mad at the top five I’m not
mad it all if you look at the top five
not one [ __ ] is from America if you
want to throw joeel embiid in there cuz
you know he’s playing for America and
Olympic school that man is African he’s
not from America so the game is grown
it’s evolving it’s not just our sport
anymore it’s a worldwide sport to where
now [ __ ] is coming over here taking
this thing more serious than American
players and you got Luca you got Luca
you got the Joker you got Giannis yeah
you got SGA and you got MB I’m not mad
at that list I’m not mad at that team
imagine that five America put up when we
talking about when if we talking about
how [ __ ] is thinking about um changing
the allar game around and making an
international versus America that’s a
that five is crazy yeah that F Luca SGA
in the back court then you got Giannis
and the Joker and B yo listen that’s a
dangerous five so I’m not mad at the top
five that’s why I asked you more about
who’s at the bottom five or the top 10
I’m not mad at the top five LeBron James
would definitely be I don’t know where
to place him but I agree with Mason’s
assessment as having a better year
definitely than
ad uh reason maybe Kawai is because of
their record but Kawai got a bunch of
help on the team as well and uh Kevin
Durant you got Booker you got Bill and
you got decent weapons that we thought
were going to help out on the bench I’m
not mad at M putting themove above both
of them for this particular season but
yeah I’m not mad the top five NE the top
five I like their top five and that’s
you can argue with whoever you want to
put in there but America Su the [ __ ] up
because you see where this is going
right do you see where this is going if
y’all don’t do you see where this is
going it’s going lightskinned cuz the
next five is mainly lightskinn is is
Jason Tatum Stephen Curry Anthony Davis
Devin Booker is is this probably
explains a lot this it’s not a dark
skinn League no more k like we grew up
in is is really lightskinned and they
balling I’m not going against them I’m
just saying this is what I’m I’m giving
good
commentary yeah I Ain I ain’t really
looking to the skin tone because Joel
embiid is black as a [ __ ] but
I’m more looking at to where [ __ ] is
learning how to play where they’re
learning to play basketball at they
learning so this means what their
teaching over there in Europe is
translating and being better than what
they’re teaching America what they
especially Canada it’s so many Canadian
players that we don’t even talk about
that may be role players on teams but
Canada just coming down here like Drake
and Justin Bieber just come here taking
[ __ ] over when they want to take it over
you know they’re not going to school
they’re going to basketball school so
they whole day in in school is
basketball they’re not they’re probably
not even doing Ma math they’re just for
second second period is is bounce pass
third period is Jump sh shots you know
what I’m saying like they they have
basketball schools overseas like over
here you have to go to class and then
you got to pass your classes to play I
believe some of the schools over there
are just like that killer they just
playing all day so you know with more
reps you get
better that’s how they call I don’t know
I’m not
privy yeah that’s why you the expert I’m
not priv privy to that information but
if that’s the case I dig it but whatever
is going on it’s translating over here
and it’s not looking good for America so
if m is correct on what he’s saying
you’re right yeah uh you so especially
college and that’s why a lot of [ __ ]
started skipping College because look
you got to pass your act or your sat
then you got to go to college and get
good grades and be eligible to play and
[ __ ] is like I just want to pass four
classes and that was my whole [ __ ]
during the whole high school I just need
four classes
you’re like why I got to pass all of
this I’m going to play basketball I’m
not I’m not going to school and and
we’re saying to the kids you should go
to school but I think Luca was a pro at
15 years old if I’m correct he was a pro
at 15 years old he haven’t even finished
school he was already playing all
day y this is a fact Luca been a pro
since 15 years
old right and then I want want to get
you guys’ reaction to this dunk that had
happened so Tory Craig and Andre
Drummond missed an alleyoop dunk in the
Bulls game versus the Knicks what did
you guys think of the failed attempt and
if you were the coach because you know
Bulls did end up losing that game what
would you tell the two
players this is a sensitive topic cuz I
know my boy sin is watching this you
said so if
if this was the New York Knicks no the
Bulls so like they ended up losing the
game after they went for the went for
the Duncan failed
terribly I’m gonna let killer go first
on this because I I I I don’t really
like um drumming in them so what no I
really
don’t I don’t like looking at this [ __ ]
now I’m about to look at it now so I can
give my the right opinion know Anthony
Drummond Andre Drummond Andre Drummond
that’s the big man he be trying to play
God all the time that’s what I don’t
like he be trying to bring the ball
inter him remember yeah I didn’t like
when he was playing like that pause I
like him as a person all right I see I
see what happened I see what happened
here oh my I see exactly what happened
here what happened here is for for the
audience to to gain context of while
stats asking this question the balls are
down 9o point the Bulls are down nine
points and what what quarter is this the
second quarter what quarter is it second
quarter they down
n they get a
steal it’s Andre Drummond on the fast
break with
homeboy he tries to throw it off the
backboard to Andre
Drummond no he was throwing it off the
back for his and this [ __ ] jumped on
his back that’s what I’m saying like
say I get this Ste killer and I go like
this you know I’m throwing it off the
backboard and catching myself and some
wild [ __ ] just run behind you and just
try to dunk the ball over your head like
what so so even so even even worse even
worse now that you explained it like
that it’s two SC it’s different
scenarios first of all it’s two
scenarios you can’t get if Andre
Drummond is
trailing no but he’s behind him Killer
it’s like it’s like he’s right here
looking at the video he’s right here
behind him and he take off and it’s like
you see I’m trying to get the ball
myself and he just come over his head ah
and both of us miss no what I’m saying
is this this is what I’m trying to tell
you I’m look at the video now that you
explain that to me I see what you’re
talking about what I’m saying is this if
Andre druming is
trailing and you look and you throw off
the backboard as a big man you’re
thinking okay he about to throw it off
the backboard to
me because when do you throw it off the
backboard to yourself down nine in the
second quarter to try ensure you don’t
do that in the second quarter damn nine
points throw it off the backboard to
yourself first of all you don’t throw it
off the backboard to Andre Jordan
that that know off the back board from
the foul line that’s the problem
killer no you missing my point foot
inside the um what I’m saying is I get I
get your point but you missing my point
what I’m saying is this I understand
what you’re saying regardless you
shouldn’t be doing that whether it’s to
yourself Andre drumond anywh else you
shouldn’t be looking like you throwing
it off the backboard down nine points
just my opinion secondly that’s a
secondly I get back to your point you
throwing it off the backboard to
yourself now some big [ __ ] just coming
anywhere like yo what are you doing bro
yo I’m trying to throw it to myself
that’s number two I that’s your point
thirdly from Andre Andre Drummond’s
point of view is when you see a [ __ ]
throwing it off the backboard so you
like it got to be for me he see me
trailing but but it wasn’t for
him but so but so but in Andre drumond
eyes I can’t fault him that’s what I’m
saying I’m looking like okay we about to
make a movie [ __ ] it he throwing it off
the glass he trying to make a movie for
himself down nine points I think the
whole scenario is stupid I don’t put no
F on Andre Drummond for that I know what
Mason said I’m not disagreeing with M
what Mason said but you don’t do that
downn n
my my whole thing would be no I agree
with you on all three points cuz he he
took one step inside the three and threw
it off the backboard like he’s like he’s
like he’s Skywalker or something yo he
was too far from the jump he was going
to miss the dunk anyway that’s what
that’s why Drummond probably came and
said you know what I’mma help him out
cuz he’s too far from the basket to be
throwing it off the backboard but I
thought it was a written rule that if I
get this
Ste I should get the
layup you think I just definitely didn’t
think you said thr because that just
didn’t make sense so as what I’m why
would you do that that’s exactly what
I’m saying that’s that’s exactly what
I’m saying and I I don’t know about that
on rule because I done seen plenty of
fast breaks where a [ __ ] trailing and
[ __ ] get crazy yeah I don’t one of my
favorite is when Jamal Crawford get the
fast break throw between his legs off
the back Blackboard for Blake Griffin
like when you get that fast break and
you see a [ __ ] who could dunk behind
behind you you usually be like let’s
make the movie but I get homeboy too I
get homeboy too cuz homeboy like yo
Andre you ain’t one of them you ain’t W
them you ain’t wanting them catching off
the fast break ass [ __ ] you that ain’t
your thing this was about to be my movie
I’m trying to go on Sports Center top 10
so I did I listen all three scenarios
that I laid out I’m not mad at none of
them I’m just mad at homeboy I’m not mad
at Andre Drummond I’m mad at the [ __ ]
for doing that in that scenario yeah
because you’re confusing you’re
confusing he
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hurt he fell he fell I was waiting to
make sure he was not hurt you know
that’s the rule if you fall we got to
wait make sure you’re not hurt after we
know you’re not hurt we G laugh it’s
like the slow get up just all of it
[Laughter]
that’s your murder that’s a that’s
that’s a Tim get Dwayne Jordan [ __ ]
right there man
yeah too much yeah that’s some [ __ ] Tim
me what it did Tim get headache yo you
see me throwing it to myself yo we down
seven vers King what are you talking
about why would you do that right now
and he do it from he threw it from the
threep point line like was he thinking
yeah okay so granted that the Bulls did
lose 128 to 117 if you guys were the
coach what would you tell both of the
players now that’s a
suspension that’s a one game suspension
right there no I’m saying this Adam Sila
wouldn’t do anything about this if I was
the coach I probably would um it
definitely goingon to be some rep maning
behind
that I don’t know they probably have to
look these both these [ __ ] is on the
floor I keep laughing I keep looking
at yeah and you almost injured two
players with that
move which makes it a poor
decision this is crazy looking at
this this is what happened this is what
happened when [ __ ] wear them grinches
every time a [ __ ] wear them grinches
think they Kobe on Christmas day that’s
probably what he was thinking if you
look at his sneakers he got the grinches
on you
know he had the grinches on you know
that’s when Kobe went crazy you had them
grinches on you gotta go crazy so I know
that’s what he was
thinking Andre jum heard his [ __ ] on the
following Play Down Court playing
defense he ain’t even heard his [ __ ]
home I [ __ ] up on the play Andre
Drummond hurt himself on the following
play look two game suspension with two
games left in the season that’s fine
yeah you know how he used to be killer
[ __ ] get some Jordans on [ __ ] think he
Mike
today [ __ ] had them grinches on blame
it on the Kobes you
know I think it’s some truth to that
every time I wear my Yeezys I say
something w I got them on I thought
about this statement I made about the
ladies I got these Yeezys on blame it on
my
Yeezys this I’m looking at I’m looking
at this I’m looking at the standings and
the Bulls in the player no matter what
in the ninth or 10th seed so winning or
losing this game didn’t really matter um
as far as the play of contention is
they’re in the they’re in the N ninth
seed no matter what or the T seed which
means in the playoffs that Victory
wasn’t going to get them uh seed up or
seed down so um I think they just need
to focus in and get ready for the plan
because they could potentially be in the
playoffs but as far as me reprimanding
it would be like yo this is how we going
into the play y’all this is what we
doing yeah what the [ __ ] are y’all doing
like yo we have an opportunity to make
the playoffs still so that’s how I would
handle it but but you still you know if
this was the Middle season yeah it would
definitely be team precautions and and
Hazard pay or suspensions but this isn’t
the right time to be pulling that type
[ __ ] not saying what the coach I’m
talking about with the players y we are
we are potentially one game two two wins
from being in the playoffs and one loss
from being out in the next few days I
think we need to zero win and this
doesn’t look like they zero there yeah
they’re zero wi I should say when I saw
this I thought about our high school
coach what he would have
say oh what nah nah nah nah [ __ ] would
have got like this with his glasses here
you
[Laughter]
go now if he break his wrist if he break
his
wrist and he and and he ends up with a
bruised spine now two of y’all are out
right
ball we have to sit at half court for
two days
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behind first of all first of all our
coach would have been like whoever told
you you was like that first of all we
won’t do that in practice you like that
who told you you not like that
who told you you was like that our coach
was so he so
discouraging you not like that your
father wasn’t
like imagine [ __ ] tell you your father
wasn’t like that
[ __ ] since when the Browns start being
like
you wasn’t like that and your father
wasn’t like
that [ __ ] be standing there taking the
dis and he would look around the room
and ask [ __ ] is he is he like that say
dam is he like
that no everybody in this room know you
not like that bro we have to go no he’s
not like
that you sure you do one of these I
ain’t never seen a [ __ ] do it you know
he a like you
know if you try to be neutral about it
yeah if you try to
be well s he like
that 12 12
everybody just about to say like that
yeah yeah since everybody know he like
that just nobody want to say y’all want
to follow him 12
[Laughter]
sprad then [ __ ] be like n he a like
that
[Laughter]
n
meanwhile the
world when it and meanwhile while you
sitting there and it’s you he talking
about you got to eat it poor yeah you
gotta just sit
there and try and defend yourself
without talking imagine trying to defend
yourself without
talking cuz any answer you give is gonna
lead to
punishment he said oh he
like you you going to follow him on
that yeah follow him up the stairs now
we flights now yo then I be in the back
like n he not like that he I didn’t say
he was like that camam said he was like
[Laughter]
that oh
[ __ ] that’s all I kept thinking when he
do that ball off the back boy like this
is going to cost everybody
we not going to touch the ball PA to two
weeks for
this yo we had practices with no
basketball yeah that’s
fact since y’all don’t know how to move
the
basketball we’ll practice without it
yeah are you in your
Zone yeah I’m in my zone n don’t know
where the ball at why you ain’t
rotate [ __ ] I don’t know where the ball
at the ball’s over
here there no ball said give me the B
give me
the nobody know where the ball at
where’s the ball at
where’s the
ball I got the on the
Bine he said I got the
ball I got the ball where should you be
at yo that [ __ ] was
hilarious oh
man all that over that dunk no cuz it
was so funny like I don’t even comment
under sports highlights and stuff like
that but I commented under that one
because I was dying it was so F but see
that y’all can relate so okay so last
one before we wrap um LeBron was
speaking about Steph Curry and he said
guarding Steph is uncomfortable he said
the ball is not the problem with Steph
he’s the problem Steph is most dangerous
when he doesn’t have the ball it’s not
many guys in our league that’s most
dangerous without the ball and then he
said even though guarding Steph is
uncomfortable guys in the league aren’t
used to being uncomfortable that’s why
Steph and the Golden State will always
be relevant because they play an
uncomfortable style of play what do you
guys take away from what LeBron had to
say I think that was a a um a Monumental
um statement by LeBron but it speaks to
how well he moves without the ball and
um I can only remember one other player
that was like that that um that you
really feared them even touching the
ball and that was um Reggie Miller he
would run similar but I don’t even think
Reggie ran as much as um Steph run I
think Steph runs a little bit more than
Reggie so that was some High Praise
coming from LeBron and um I think it’s
merited though I think as dangerous as
he is with the ball he is just as
dangerous because you got to follow him
everywhere because he can hit hit a shot
from anywhere before the shots that
Stephen Curry is making people used to
be like this go ahead and and shoot it
go ahead and shoot it like Caitlyn did
right but you can’t do that with him
because he can hit the shot so
everywhere he runs you have to you have
to mirror
him what do you think K yeah I think I
think that’s a great assessment by
LeBron and yeah you got to think about
this this is very annoying for a
Defender to chase a [ __ ] all game
because he’s running through screens
he’s doing I seen one when they did the
doy though they put the arm around each
other and spun off each other on a on a
loop the way that they get step Curry
open with with Steve Curry and his team
draws up is amazing
um because it’s it’s not traditional
Garden you really have to chase a [ __ ]
all game in a half court set and it’s
annoying it’s probably super duper
annoying because you you sit there
you’re chilling he could be chilling
then the next thing you know of and you
running in two picks so now all he he
got a three second gap on you because
you done been hit with two picks cuz one
minute he’s standing still then now he
just takes off and runs Baseline comes
up through the foul on pause and then
now you gotta go all he need is a three
second Gap and if you don’t switch off
you just on Steph Curry Allen and now
you looking crazy so I think that was a
great assessment yeah about uh by LeBron
the only other person that comes to mind
May thinking of players is that would I
would say is not as much as stuff but
would be right right behind stuff is Rip
Hamilton he had the same game keep
running off screens running off screens
running all around running all around it
becomes annoying and he doesn’t shoot
his stuff good as Stuff Curry but I can
imagine that job is just annoying to
chase a [ __ ] all game around because if
you’re a traditional point guard and
you’re ready to guard the point guard
when the game starts and he’s not doing
traditional point guard [ __ ] and now you
assment on defense is just chasing
[ __ ] you’re not in a defensive stand
you know legs bent p arms out this isn’t
traditional guard and a point guard this
is more like like May said mirroring
mirroring him and chasing him around so
that could be frustrating and not only
frustrating you got to have a sta for
that [ __ ] because it isn’t traditional
Gard you’re ler and a half court set
chasing him so I think from LeBron and M
those with two great assessments yeah
and and another another thing to go
along with what um killer just said is
that most people that you’re chasing
off of picks can can only shoot well
from certain areas what makes this a
nightmare is because Steph hits from
everywhere you know what I’m saying so
you got to take all the screen serious
but some players they get around there
you just let him go because he shoots
better from the perimeter some people
shoot better from the Baseline and Stu
just can hit that shot from
anywhere hey y’all well that’s all the
time that we have for today thanks for
watching watching and as always it is
what it
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When they started talking about they old coach, I lost it!!! 😂😂😂
Andre Drummond twisted his ankle right after that. Sheesh.
Suggs is an idiot
Tony Parker was up that same game like rip Hamilton and Steph Curry and Reggie Miller
Yo! I love this Podcast. Shalawam!! 💯🫡
When y'all said niggas can't rotate we don't even know where the ball at. I was ready die. I remember them down n back running up n down the court shit. Coach mid story say down n back we gotta run 😂 I challenge y'all on this you had the worst coach shit 🤣😂
😂
Dude looked back & saw Drummond trailing that automatically had Drummond thinking that was for him 😂
“You ain’t never been one of them ones”😂😂😂
And Ur father wasn’t like that 😂😂😂😂
This stat chick dope. She quiet asf. Her moderation 🔥
Y’all stop complaining cam is going through health problems hopefully not to serious but damn
Running off screens and chasing them was a nightmare against Ray Allen, Steph, Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and one more from my experience of playing basketball was Monte Mack from UMass Boston salute
"He would look around the room and ask, is he like that"
"No he's not like that"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Amen Ma$e!!! Women should never lead men! Cam WTH!
I agree with Mase that I don't agree with women leading men.
Yo the last 30 min about hooping and the e coach had me dying
Sga went to Kentucky im lost
Benji didnt have a banger
It’s hot where he went not a drop of water in sight
Sizzle needs to go get a job to keep him out of trouble. He's very entertaining, this isn't the first time. He's been getting in trouble since college, or maybe move to Baltimore, all his issue have been in AZ
I am the ultimate Lebitch Jane not liker, I really believe he is great but he is so overrated, he can never be on Jordan level NEVER!!!! And no I'm not a Jordan super fan but I know the GREATEST when I see it and I'm a sports fan so don't talk to me about no most points scored bullshit, he been on that Balco since he played for the Heat those are FACTS
https://youtu.be/zI_T8A2G8ps?si=wUs1BC_4sdjXYKNv
@Ullah808-God Bless
Mase is so misogynistic it's hard to watch this to be honest. The amount of fake rape allegations is not even close to how often people women especially are raped & do not receive justice. Please educate yourselves before talking about something so serious
11 players better than LeBron??? Yeah nah they BUGGIN
“Now some big nigga just comin anywhere” is WILD Killa. Crazzzyy pause 🤣🤣🤣🤣 50:33
Not trying to take up for Suggs but in Chicago that’s a robbery play when someone hit your vehicle just for you to jump out of your car so they can rob you … Don’t know the situation but i do know how ppl try to get your attention to do harm to you
AD has better stats than Lebron for the second time they’ve played together. Yall hve a woman named STAT and don’t check stats is crazy, keep doin yall thing tho
I go back and listen once a day 58:40 min mark once a day
“Since when the Brown’s started being like that” 😂😂😂😂
Get what mase was tryna say about women leading men… but I’m also glad cam gave a bit of push back even if he only specified finances… women run alotta stuff especially in households & stat made a good point on how the locker room dynamic
JALEN BRUNSON #4 THIS YEAR IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE AND FROM NY AND Y'ALL DIDNT EVEN COUNT HIM?? SMFH… Y'all ottayafucn minds 🤦🏾♂️
Stat baby be asked some good questions! The female coach in nba was a great question. My opinion not as a head coach. I feel too many players would question her plays and many players may not want to play there. I just don't think the NBA players are ready for that all though a good amount of viewers may be ready.
Yooooo!!! Mace said you aint like that, your dad wasn't like that 😅😅. Cam said next be practice without the ball since yall don't know how to move with the ball. And is u in the zone😂😂😂😂😂
Yooooo!!! Mace said you aint like that, your dad wasn't like that 😅😅. Cam said next be practice without the ball since yall don't know how to move with the ball. And is u in the zone😂😂😂😂😂
13:07 he know that’s half of the 5 point chill 💀💀💀