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0:00 Sponsor & Introduction
1:47 Who is Paul Wallis and what is Paleocontact?
3:03 Standard Beliefs in Christianity
6:04 The Church’s shift on Extraterrestrial Perception
9:22 The Church’s Endgame on Extraterrestrial
14:53 The story of Human Origin
18:08 Why hide this Knowledge?
24:13 The interactions with Extraterrestrials Past to Present
34:05 The Technologies and Their purpose
43:32 The Power structures and Centralization of that power
53:31 Overcoming Fear through Ancient Teachings
57:26 Latent Abilities and Powers of Humans
1:03:20 Psychedelic Drugs and Ancient Traditions
1:08:41 The Golden Age and Sub-sequential Fall
1:12:29 Outro/Conclusion

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What he does is uncover the truth behind where we came from the Mysteries that the church the governments and all sorts of other powers at be have tried to keep hidden from us because you go to the ear stories of the B B for instance and they

Echo what you’ll find in the Sumerian stories and the Vic stories and the Norse stories and that’s the arrival of advanced beings who then carve up planet Earth and they are somewhat a competitive work with one another for power and resources they’re all stories of these beings who have colonized and

Who are competing with one another and human beings are getting caught in the crossfire it’s an absolute Banger podcast if you’ve ever wanted to know what the Bible is truly talking about Ancient Aliens what this means to you all the powers that you potentially have within you your human potential Paul

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Our Rumble and support our sponsors my friends we will see you guys on the next one enjoy the podcast way of will John welcome back um my voice is slowly on the menend but we have here with us today the great Paul Wallace Paul what’s going on how are you

Good he will it’s great to be with you today yes so as we were discussing in before we we got started I have known your work for some time without even knowing it was you and so you know through a crazy series of events here we

Are and there’s a lot for us to go through through and so I want to kick it over to you first to let everybody know who you are and then we’ll get into all my crazy questions well people know me as the Paleo contact guide and P contact

Is the theory that our ancestors in the Deep past had contact with other other civilizations and by that I mean extraterrestrial civilizations and what surprises people is my route into this top cuz my background is in the world of Christian Ministry I was for 33 years in church by

Ministry I worked as a church doctor a theological educator an arch Deacon for the Anglican Church in Australia that’s one down from a bishop and so it is quite unusual when a senior Churchman steps forward and says wait a minute guys I think a whole chunk of what’s

Going on in the Bible is really not about God at all it’s ancient Recollections of ET K and it was my work in hermeneutics studying the ancient texts of the Bible and their ancient sources that pulled me onto this controversial territory yeah wow so that’s exactly

Where we where I’d like to start because obviously I don’t know that this is anything at all what does the what’s the standard uh I don’t know how to put this what is the standard belief in the Christian Ministry like I was I went to Catholic School my family was by no

Means uh overtly Christian or religious in any any any sense but I don’t recall any connection to extraterrestrials how do you come upon this and what do we have what is pointing you towards that way well for most of the history of Christianity ET context or a populated Universe those ideas have been

Completely tabooed but in the beginning of Christianity they were not if you go to early church fathers like origin Clement of Alexandria Justin Martin Maria and they were all quite clear that in the Bible by which I mean the old test Hebrew Cannon they were very clear

That among the stories of that Cannon were stories of other kinds of entities that really merited a serious study and those stories shouldn’t be read at face value as God’s stories so that belief was part of the mainstream of Christianity in the beginning many of those Church fathers were highly

Influenced by Plato and Plato was a proponent of paleo contact he argued that not only did we have contact in the Deep past but that we were genetically altered through contact with other species these early church fathers had no problem with that at all However unfortunately votes went the wrong way

In the first three or four centuries and a lot of those Church fathers were pushed to the the margins and it became a Tabo right up until 2009 when from out of the blue the Roman Catholic Church convened a colloquium uh this was a symposium of top theologians

And academics and schols to discuss the theological implications of contact with other civilizations and when they did that you could have not be down with a further because only 400 years ago they were burning people at the stake for merely suggesting that might be intelligent life on other planets and that was one

Of the things goed me and said come on Paul you need to get back and look at this because for a long time I had suspected there might be some other kinds of being washing around in the biblical text but when they did that and came out with very strong statements

After that Symposium I thought I have to get on top of this because I’ve known there was something here for a long time I need to begin connecting the dots and finding out what our ancestors were really on him so with that being said first off what spurred this on why in

2009 what happened was there someone is this a nod to someone saying hey are they trying to get people like you to look into this or what happened it was really interesting because it gave the appearance that Benedict V 16th and his administration were expecting some other authority to

Make a disclosure and they wanted to get on the front foot and say look there’s no issue here there’s no problem it just means the Creator’s been busier than we thought and we’ve got more brothers and sisters that we thought we did that was sort of the the short version of what

The spokes people for the Curious said when they stepped forward after the Symposium they wanted to prepare people for statements coming from somewhere else and then there were no statements coming from anywhere else so I think they had anticipated something that hadn’t happened and then everything thing went quiet again and now it’s

Quite hard to go back and find the interviews with people like H Gabriel fers the director of the vatican’s um Observatory or gon sumano the senior asru or k balduchi Vatican senior advisor in paranormal Ministry they all made really far-reaching statements about ET contact which you

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Enjoy the rest of the podcast that’s crazy I mean yeah we live in this world now where I I remember having this discussion on other podcasts uh about being a kid grown up in the 90s and how the mention of UFOs the how how far from the mainstream uh these things were and

Now we have all these I don’t know what’s going on Congressional hearings all this some things up we don’t understand what No One Believes In what the government says anymore we know clearly if you know something then you’re hiding it and then what now why

Are you telling us this it’s such a mess and so when I look at that and I look at the church and when you start to really look into like the power that the church has had over the centuries how it still continues to have it they just don’t

Have an army you know they use different means and you start to wonder what is going on uh so from your you know vantage point do you have any idea of what their goal is on potentially releasing because if what you’ve been studying is true and they know this

What is endgame what’s going on do you have any sort of sense of of that well it depends who you’re talking to when you ask what the end game is because uh any Authority whether we’re talking about uh the Pentagon or the Roman Catholic Church is a community of people

With a spectrum of ideas and opinions as to what the Right Way Forward is so clearly right now there’s a big push and pull going on Within the military intelligence community in the USA as to how much disclosure should be allowed there are people like Thomas monheim the Inspector General of the

Intelligence Community who is leaning towards more disclosure and it’s really thanks to him that we had the July 26th hearing with the David grush complaint in View and we had those three experts David fraver Ryan Graves and David G speaking to uh the Congressional house subcommittee hearing there are people clearly wanting

More information to reach the public than in the past and then there are others um such as Arrow’s previous leader who who have wanted to push back and say no we need to keep this quiet and in fact we don’t even want information about the program the reverse engineering program to be

Shared from unit to unit within the military intelligence Community let alone briefing Congress let alone briefing the public so people like Chris melon have done what they can to push the conversation forward out of the era of death threat so that the physicists involved in the reverse engineering program people like

Jack valet Gary Nolan can speak to the press and or James laty can speak to the Press and say this is the work we’ve been doing this is the materials we have this is what we’re investigating whereas when I was a boy at school if they tried to do that have been quietly

Suicided this is something I know about because I lived in amam Buckingham in the UK this was at the time of Ronald Reagan’s Star Wars initiative the SDI initiative clearly the questions around that was what is that program about is that about having weapons in space where

We can sort of attack our enemies on Earth or are we defending ourselves against an attack from off planets because that seemed to be the impression that the president had created and I lived close to this top secret research facility working on that program and 25 people involved in that

Program committed suicide over quite a short period period and the families refused to believe these were suicides and the um I think it was may have been Clive Jenkin the union leader called for a public inquiry into these suicides because he said it’s statistically impossible that they were all suicides

And Margaret Thatcher said oh no we’ve we’ve had a look at it and there’s nothing wrong so that’s what I grew up with and now all of a sudden you’ve got Jack valet Gary noan briefing the Press Li briefing the Press Chris melon speaking freely you’ve got pamed

The former Chief of space security for Israel stepping up to the microphone and saying Israel and the states are in contact and they have been for more than seven decades a decade ago it was the Russian Prime Minister Demitri medido on an open mic saying we’re in contact

Every new prime minister of Russia has given a dossier detailing the uh space fairing communities that we already in contact with he wasn’t debunked he wasn’t sacked we didn’t have pu going on camera and saying the Prime Minister would had few too many vodkas and I distanced myself from nothing like that

So there’s been a massive massive shift and there is far more now in the public domain than I could even have imagined a decade ago meanwhile in the churches it’s still a taboo and I think for a lot of people it’s still a topic that you

Bring it up and it’s just something to be ridiculed laughed at we’re still in an era where people experi close encounters don’t feel free to mention to anybody because they don’t expect to be taken seriously so it’s quite a cocktail of things going on at the moment and I

Think public are really having to race to catch up with quite how much disclosure has happened just in the last five or six years yeah and it’s such a crazy thing to think that disclosure and all these statements these official statements that we could never have had we have now

Not much has changed in anyone’s everyday life and the the statements that they’re saying are insane because you really could not imagine someone saying that right like just like you were saying during that time maybe during the rean administration or during the Clinton Administration I know that

Guy was supposedly into UFOs uh himself and and so what I want to ask you now is what about this overall story so could you could could you give us what you believe to be the gist of the story of our Origins uh as you’ve seen it as far as what

The sometimes called ancient aliens uh or extraterrestrials had for us in our origins in our history do you have any under good understanding of what that truly is sure well my information comes from the world’s ancestral narratives so from uh indigenous narratives World mythology read from the texts of the

Bible and in my studies I found an incredible over among those stories and the gist of the overlap is this that life in the cosmos is the norm rather than the exception this is the theory of pans speria held to by people as authoritative as Francis Crick the

Co-discovered of the double helix of DNA he argued the timelines for our planet are not long enough for Life as we know it to have originated here to have come here from somewhere else and many of our ancestral stories say exactly the same thing go to the Zulu story of unul Lulu

It says the same in the Bible it’s the same the Mayan story of the Pope U it’s the same go to pler he says the same and so the idea is that whenever the genetic coding for biological conscious intelligent life lands in an hospitable environment that’s a planet with water

Essentially it will generate forms of life similar to the ones we’re familiar with on planet Earth and then there are places that develop life sooner and the species there are more advanced reach a technological age sooner then very often they will visit and intervene in the stories on other

Planets and according to the texts I studied that’s exactly what happened here the genetic coding landed on our planet started generating forms of life and then at many points we have been visited by other forms of life who have tweaked what they found here just as we

Have fine-tuned the cat we breed and eat and the dogs that we breed and live with there’s been some interventions here and very focused interventions to create a species intelligent enough to work for a more advanced species but not so intelligent that we didn’t want to and

That’s the beginnings of the human story and then others have come along and they’ve intervened to upgrade our experience to make us more intelligent more conscious Plato speaks about this the story is there in Genesis 3 an upgrade so that would we would be smarter but not too smart same in the

Mind smarter but not too smart and so the picture that I put together from all these sources is we are earthlings with a little bit of something else that’s given us Homo sapiens an edge over our animal neighbors and made us what we are today so and which is fascinating

Obviously and it makes me ask the question what was the need to hide this what what are we being you know because you only hide something if for a reason things are hidden for reasons they’re not generally unless we forgot right but it does seem that we live in a world where knowledge

As much knowledge as we do have and and can have with the internet and and if you go search for things that things are still Ault and there’s Ault knowledge and what was the reason for that do you believe that’s a great question because if you want to hear the story I’ve just

Told generally you have to go to Grassroots stories you have to go to indigenous traditions and then the Elders of those communities would tell you those stories uh in some parts of the world you’ll hear this when you’re initiated into your tribal culture but you won’t be taught it at school and you

Won’t hear it on the TV but an example of how the narrative was suppressed and why it was changed can be found in the Bible and in my book the Eden conspiracy I spend a lot of time on this showing how the Bible actually records the earlier Narrative of paleo contact and

Then tells us how it was changed so if you read the books for instance of Jeremiah and uh one and two kings and Ezra you will find out that there was a great reform um within the religion of Judaism and that you go to a prophet like Jeremiah and he is lamenting what

7th and 8th Century BCE Judaism looked like he laments the fact that on every High Hill and under every Green Tree from every fortified town to every garrison city there are installations commemorating paleo contact he laments the fact that there are standing stones right across the Levant recording the

Places where his ancestors had met with Advanced beings from other planets and he lamented the fact that the Jewish people remembered some of these beings in a very positive light Ashera in particular this was something he thought was very bad and his yist King thought

It was very bad as well a yahwa King Kong called Hezekiah he believed in this one being yahwe who was one of a PL panoply of beings from the Past who had conquered part of the Levant and governed over hezekiah’s ancestors Hezekiah worships him and says why

Should any of my people worship anybody else let’s get rid of these installations let’s knock down these other temples get rid of the other priesthoods everyone is going to worship my God and so there’s a ritual reform to change how the Jewish people worship this then rolls on into a reform of the

Scriptures as well so that by the time you get to his grandson Josiah they start revising the book of the laws of yahwe to try airbrush out this memory of paleo contact except this whole process is spelled out in the Bible so you read the Bible closely enough and the narrator has guaranteed

That you and I will never forget that in the beginning Judaism was a cannon of memory of ET con and that it was changed from Kings Hezekiah to King Josiah into a monotheistic religion instead now why why would he do that and why would he choose Yahweh out of all these other

Beings could have chosen Asher Bale chamar Deon why would he pick a violent colonizer which is what he did and the answer is this that he was wanting a kingdom he could manage he was wanting a kingdom he could control and by the time he got to his grandson

Josiah he was being advised by the Jewish high priest in Jerusalem so from time to time Josiah became King by the way at the age of 8 so he got into the habit of taking advice from uh Uncle Hil kah the high priest and chaer and the Royal scribe

Both of whom are ysts so from time to time the high priest would come along and say Sir I’ve identified another threat to your authority over the kingdom would you like me to take care of it and every time jiah said oh Uncle hilai what would I do without you thank

You so much that meant demolishing another Temple slaughtering another priesthood getting a tighter control over the narrative all the tithes of the Jewish people throughout the vant now coming to a single Temple the one in Jerusalem under the one high priest and the one king So essentially you’ve got a

Power grab and a wealth grab so that what you end up with is a nice governable theocracy with one God one king one high priest one Temple that’s what any ruler would like to see so now you can’t go anywhere else for alternative news you can’t find another

Priesthood or a bunch of prophets to give you a different view of things there’s only one belief acceptable and it’s the one coming out of Jerusalem the Bible tells us that was the process and so read it closely enough and we can never forget that in the beginning

Judaism was something else it was the memory of the saim the armies of Sky people who came and governed over our ancestors wow uh the thing that comes to mind to me is obviously the struggle that was going on in the past where are they now what

Happened to that and what is the interaction like today I mean that’s probably something that everybody is curious about because it it there’s no way that it stopped that’s a great question because you go to the earli stories of the Bible for instance and they Echo what you’ll find in the

Sumerian stories and the Vic stories and the Norse stories and that’s the arrival of advanced beings who then carve up planet Earth and they are somewhat competitive with one another for power and resources so we have this in the Bible as well where the Elohim the powerful ones War given portions of land

And then they go to war against each other for more land more resources yah is one of the Elohim and he’s given short thft he gets a people group with no land so he then has to go to war in order to get any resources at all and so

The stories of the powerful ones in the Bible or the sky people in the Sumerian texts the Kings and the Vaders they’re all stories of these beings um who have colonized and who are competing with one another and human beings are getting caught in the crossfire so how does that relate to

What’s happening now well certainly we still have proxy wars like that because you go to the Grassroots of most International conflicts and you’ll find they’re not International conflicts at all they are conflicts among the powers who has what power over what land and what people that’s what most wars are

About but you to I mean just to make it less controversial if we go into history and into the first world war there’s the famous story of the Christmas Truce where it’s coming up to Christmas and the workingclass boys from Germany don’t want to kill the workingclass boys from Britain at

Christmas and so uh flags are waved people come out into no man’s land and they decide what they want to play soccer together and exchange gifts and sing Christmas carols because those two sets of workingclass boys had no argument with each other the argument was among the

Powers over who had what land and what control and you can bet your bottom dollar that after the Christmas Truce the higher ups guaranteed peace would never break out again like that in the context of the first world war it would only break out when the higher ups it

Was time for peace meanwhile War had to carry on slaughtering each other and a lot of Wars if not most wars are like that uh up to the present day I I might add so the question is why is it happening is it because we’re still

Under the sway of ET visitors I I’m of the view our ancestors gave us these stories because they believed that no understanding of the present is complete Until you realize there is a hidden is an ET influence in our geopolitics but it’s not in your face

Like it was in the Deep past because you go to the early stories and you’ve got beings who are not human govering over governing over human beings and this continues maybe thousands of years but we reach a point where they disappear they hand over to human successes so in

The Bible you’ve got Saul the first human King in the Sumerian Story You’ve Got gilgames a crossover King is part human part Sky people and then after that it’s human kings and queens but as I show in the Eden conspiracy we still have strings being pulled influences behind closed doors who are guaranteeing

That what are human kings and queens and presidents Prime Ministers are doing won’t stray too far from what our ancient colonizers had in mind before I go into to one of my other questions how are they pulling the strings this is an even more fascinating question because for the people who

Believe aliens are either Among Us or having some sort of touch how right do you know like a controversial figure like Henry Kissinger just passed away right and this guy lived to aund and you can find him in every single conspiracy on earth right and so it

Makes you wonder uh how because in on the one end on the one end I want to believe that there’s some there’s some insane maybe not insane I don’t know because I never looked into them but the conspiracy theories in the UK about The Reptilian royal family whatever it is

They want to they the they want to say I haven’t looked into it enough to even know what the true uh theory is stating but then am I to believe that they sit down with the King and say Hey or an extraterrestrial sit down Hey listen we’re going to need to attack this

Country over here because listen I just I kind of need it done so I’m going to need you to put is it is it done like this or are they controlled is it you know because that that’s something that I’ve never seen truly addressed in a more prac iCal sense if this is

Happening how through dreams through what yes well look there are a few places you can go for answers to that kind of question if you go to primitive Christianity you will find documents that today are called Gnostic and that really just means these books didn’t

Make it into the cannon and and some of them have have aspects in common and one of the ideas that you’ll find in GST Gnostic literature is the idea of beings called arons and these are essentially parasitic beings energy based beings that rather like a virus feed off

Biological life and what archons feed off is are lower emotional vibrations so to put it simply an Aron wants to manipulate your thinking so that you become more aggressive more fearful more actes and then it feeds off that emotion that’s the idea of the archons you can hear echoed in some of

The demonology of the New Testament and I think there’s a truth in uh it’s uh to be found in the Hebrew Cannon as well you go to 1 Kings 22 and there’s a story that of the sky Council and clearly on that council is a range of non-human

Beings who are governing over Project Earth and they Main job seems to be fermenting war and there’s an entity on that Council who says I can trick this King into invading this other country on the basis of false intelligence and so the committee says okay have a go cuz that’s what they want

CU they will then feed off all the low energy that comes from war and all the PO of that and I think that what we find in the Gnostic literature in one Kings 22 is true I think that to the present day it’s quite possible for one nation

To invade another on the basis of false intelligence because the aggression and paranoia has been stoked up that’s the emotional place the leaders are in so I think it can work that way but then I think in the past we had a situation where our visitors our colonizers were

Face to face with the general public I think it’s possible they’re still face t- face contact but not with the general public with the elites and so if I go to the the work of somebody like Robert Kirk uh this is what he argu now Robert Kirk um was not some wild conspiracy

Theorist he was a presbyterian minister in the 1600s in Scotland now anyone who knows anything about the history of religion knows I’ve just described a very conservative person indeed Presbyterian Minister 1600’s Scotland but he was a real pastor and he listened to the people who Liv lived in AB foil

In Scotland and realized that the grass story there was a story of contact with other kinds of being and it was a story of abductions it was a story that included a hybridization ech goes all around the world and the picture was so coherent and so compelling he wrote a book about

It and the book he wrote was called the uh secret Commonwealth and in that book he argued a story that can be found in cultures all around the world not just in Celtic story not just in Scotland all around the world he argued that our world is governed by hidden Elites human

Elites who then influence our visible governments that won’t be a surprise to most people listening to this but then he goes a step further he says the elites are influenced by nonhuman presence and there may be face-to-face contact or remote communication contact and when you look at the artwork of many

Ancient cultures such as for instance the Jaguar Dynasty from the akatan peninsula or some of the stories surrounding the Ark of the Covenant in the Bible it’s clear that the elites are seeking to broker remote communication with other kinds of entity so that they can get their marching orders and I

Think what’s happening in the present might not be so different to them uh it’s so good that you mentioned the arch the Covenant because it’s one of my questions I’m curious of the technology because that’s kind of also where we’re headed the technologies that were used back then there’s that tremendous story

In the Bible of the what seems like was it the Chariot is it Elijah describing the Chariot uh and the the four horse I I can’t quite remember it do you know yes well Elijah gets taken away in a chariot of fire through when you listen to description description a modern

Person would say didn’t that just describe a wormhole didn’t that just describe a portal that was a piece of technology who flow off it and we’ve had you know 2,000 years of Bible translators thinking they’re describing a spiritual phenomenon and struggling for the vocabulary the great thing

Though with these texts we can go back to the he we can go back to the Greek and say I’ve got a pretty shed idea what I’m looking at yeah cuz yeah I mean you hear stories like that and it makes you wonder of course you know like if there Chariot

Okay Chariot something that moves something that carries like and you start to try and piece together what could this be if if I had to describe what I’m what I’m seeing without the words in the vernacular that I have now today but I’m even more curious as to

Like the Arc of the Covenant what a crazy story just in and of itself this thing that seems to possibly be some sort of Technology what was it for what was it used for and so my my my question is number one anything that you found on

That and number two uh why don’t we have more Technologies or do we like what are the pyramids what are all these symbols signs tablets what sort of Technology do they have and how come we don’t have more more of it in our hands or do

We well that’s right or do we that’s right you and I will might not have that technology in our hands but when we start talking about the program uh we realize that we have more technology than we have been told about but to go to the Ark of the Covenant it’s really intriguing

Because with the descriptions of That in the Bible and the descriptions of the orm and the thumim it seems that the writers understand that these are some kind of Technology they understand what the function was remote communication but they’re not sure how it worked and the way they talk about

How these things were used suggests that even the priests using them weren’t sure how they worked and I’ve come to the conclusion and I argue this in the Eden conspiracy that the Ark of the Covenant is very similar to the carvings you can find in um yashan and ancient sites in

The yakatan peninsula where you’ve got depictions of people using not technology but fact similars of Technology they have a cultural memory of a time when visitors could do room of communication through a thing that looks like a Bluetooth and so they made something to look like a Bluetooth they

Couldn’t get it to work and so they would wear the thing but then do a bloodletting to uh induce an altered state of consciousness because then they can start having contact experiences and it’s little Clues like that similarly in the Bible you’ve got the Ark of the Covenant there is not

Working so what do you do you drench the tents with cannabis oil so that you’re breathing in this infusion of that and other oils until you’re high and experiencing contact phenomena now we might get a word from yway so these are clues that what they were handling was fact similis of

Technology Recollections of a previous civilization’s Tech which they couldn’t reproduce and couldn’t get to work and so they using alter States Of Consciousness instead why don’t we have more technology well I think generally when the technology of previous civilizations gets found it gets sequestered and I argue in escaping from

Maintenance one of the things that happened in the 2003 incursion into Iraq that one of the reasons we were there was to get hands on the ancient Tech described in the Sumerian narratives and the biblical narratives of Babel which is really a story about Stargates and portal technology

G US military intelligence clearly if they thought there was even a remote possibility that such technology had survived well you’d want that in your hands and not in enemy hands wouldn’t you and without giving away too many Secrets uh there were units deployed in that incursion whose job was to get

Hands on sites and artifacts to get them out of Iraq and back to somewhere where maybe they could be reverse engineer it reminds me of this this story I I and I can’t quite remember now I’ve not found it yet and I haven’t really searched too much but uh there’s another

Historian someone who does in-depth research just like you Dan Carlin I believe I think he he has a History Podcast now his is fairly mainstream telling stories of like genas Khan and maybe Alexander the Great and things like this but the weird thing that that happened to him if I’m remembering this

Correctly he was summoned into a think tank uh by the government at one point and at the at the think tank was all these military generals and all these you know this upper brass of of you know the the military and other NSA CIA Etc they had filled the panel also with

People like yourself priests people who had researched demonology all this other stuff and so he was like what what first off what is that like what what’s going on here and why are you here like why are we having this meeting and and then he he mentioned that I think there were

Also uh the the wives of some of the the military generals and and then there and he said everyone was really interested in this stuff as if there was something going on there and it was it seemed to me that he was having like this kind of

Like realization like what is going like why are you guys so interested in this and it just gives another it’s just another notch on the something’s there like they don’t tend to be interested in things that aren’t uh going to give them some sort of either power money influence knowledge Intel

Like so you know but it would still seem very crazy to invite to your dinner party if you’re going to have like 12 people you know a demonologist a priest who studies AG of History because for the masses that would just be crazy stories of some sort

Of religious nonsense they would say and so it’s crazy that that’s that’s the truth you know there is Intel in ancient indigenous narratives and that’s why people of that kind get brought into conversations with people who are really looking for strategic military advantage and it’s like what I was just saying I

Mean I’ve had a lot of people uh from the world of the military asking me what’s the credibility of portal technology in Iraq do you know something about that and they’re asking because their peers are telling them what they were involved with in that incursion but they can’t ask the higher ups

And so they have to come to people like me who are mythologists or Scholars of the Bible and say is this credible do you know anything about this and I have to say well if you read the Sumerian texts and biblical texts if you wanted to find portal technology on planet

Earth those texts would direct you to Iraq scientifically you can go to the public pages on NASA’s website to realize that we’ve been researching portal technology for more than 30 years 30 years years ago NASA was already asking the question can we fly a craft into the portal that opens adjacent to

Planet Earth every 8 minutes well if that’s what they were asking 30 years ago goodness only knows what they’ve done since I was reading a book yesterday Barry Dowling Presbyterian Minister wrote this book in 1968 and he said that he was getting people he was living in the UK I think

At the time though he’s an American and he was getting people from the RAF inviting him to meetings because they wanted to ask him questions about ET contact because it was their job to report Close Encounters and then not to ask questions and so because they couldn’t

Ask the hups they asked Barry to come and talk to them about it eron Von danin had exactly the same experience I’m having the same experience today never considered that because if you think and obviously there is the chain of command in in the military and in all these

These functions so you can’t just go up to your general if you were private or you know and he told you to do something and then you see something weird and then if you ask him obviously he can just tell you shut up and you are going

To then have to there’s no way you can live with potentially some sort of world altering experience and then so yeah it would make sense that they would start seeking you guys out I’ve never actually made that connection but that makes sense because there are so many you guys

Are a wealth of knowledge for that and if they’re not getting the answers which of of course they’re not going to give you them any answers because why would they they’ve got to come to you guys and I’m curious as well since we talked about the The Arc of the Covenant there

Are also some kings in the Bible that are that are interesting King Solomon being obviously the biggest and most well well known I would say uh he had his Temple was an interesting story I’m curious though about there’s such a fascination with the Bloodlines in the genealogy of kings and going down

Through this line are you of the nature that they have some sort of relation to the extraterrestrials I know that’s that’s kind of a theory for some people that they are either related uh to the extral they’re a hybrid version of that and and that’s continuing today into the

Royals that we even see now to some extent what what are your thoughts on that well the Sumerian answer to the question is very interesting because the Sumerian story is that there was a long time when our human ancestors were govern by nonhuman beings uh and then you have the

Crossover King Gilgo who is part human part Sky people and then after that you’ve got the human kings and queens so that sort of spells it out really clearly that the sky people want to keep their hands on the rain some they’re just not going to go home and and let

Things go to chaos it’s a little bit like I think what we do when we invade each other’s countries where we go in and initially we have to be there with visible Force we have to overpower the country with our military and with our Navy but once you’ve set up

The legal system and you’ve set the commodity prices and exchange rates you can begin saying appoint your own police now we’ve written the laws appoint your own judges appoint your own School teachers and then after a while you can go home because if you’ve set all those prices in exchange rate

Mechanisms you can go home and still enjoy sitting at the top of the economic tree all the diamonds and gold are still going to come your way so on and so forth and so you don’t have to have any visible Presence at all you don’t even have to control the general elections

You will still benefit and so would be intirely possible for a scenario like that and yet you look at Royal history and the desire to keep royal bloodlines pure is as alive today as it was thousands of years ago when gilgames came King I mean when I was a boy I was

Read the story of The Princess and the P I don’t know if you know that but the whole idea of that story is that a prince can only marry a princess and the girl has to prove she’s a princess can’t marry a commoner and that’s really still

Case today now some people might listen and say oh hold on just a minute um Harry married Megan she’s not a royal she’s not part of a Royal bloodline is she actually yes and there’s been some very interesting studies done on the uh succession of US presidents and the argument has been

Made that the successful candidate there may be a couple of exceptions to this by now but the successful candidate is always the one who’s got the stronger bloodline connection to the European royal families well that’s a little bit suspicious in a democracy isn’t it uh many people have seen a photograph from

Uh the early 20th century where there are I think it’s nine Crown heads of state of independent European countries who all think they’re independent countries and yet you’re actually looking at a single family they are all the descendants or relatives through marriage of John William friezo uh how is that possible so

Keeping Bloodlines pure and undiluted means something in Royal circles now it may be as simple as there’s a handful of families who have power and they don’t want that diluted but you put that alongside the stories of the Handover from he to human Kings I think there’s something there you can

Find in African story as well the story of the uh the obah handing over to the aisu you’ll hear that from the Yura and the Ido people it’s the same thing ET Kings hand over the human Kings but it has to be the right human Kings and as I

Mentioned earlier in the Bible you’ve got Yahweh who get forced to hand over uh the chains of office to human successor to Saul but you read the stor that follow and he’s still defining foreign policy for as long as there’s still monarchy uh among the Hebrew

People so I think that’s that’s a long answer to your short question but yes I think the influences are still there uh I think that we’ve not been left entirely on our own and there’s a reason the families who run things want to keep power there’s an an amazing book who

Runs Britain friends in high places by Jer Pax now Jeremy Paxton worked for the BBC for 25 years he was the frontman for news night you know the top news program in Britain really and he pointed out that in Great Britain after 500 years of reformation revolutions Civil Wars labor

Movement world wars political reforms it’s still the same five families running the country who ran it in the 1500s so the Persistence of all powers is something to be wondered at and it’s such a strange thing in the US as well because sitting here is a

Book that I’ve only dived into a little bit it’s called the power elite I think it’s seite Mills and uh it’s a story of the American power structure and system and the way things are run I think he passed away maybe in the 60s or 70s maybe the 80s perhaps

But it tells the story of the fact that the centralization of power in the US is there’s this power struggle between the new like let’s say the the the burgeoning tech kind of facilities and all that new money that’s coming in there and these old families and these

Old families are heavily centered in eastern part of uh the the US with ties obviously to Europe and that they have different rules and different sets of things and it’s not a meritocracy in that Bloodlines and and genes and Family Matter way more than uh you know than

What you can do or what your what your goals are for for Humanity or for your society and it’s about belonging to this family and it’s a fascinating read just in this first little you know few chapters that I’ve gotten through and I I I’m always curious how that’s playing

Out across the world like is that are we to say then that they have and that’s another thing that Everyone likes to discuss the you know the centralization of power like you like you explained is what they are after and that would be nice for any ruler if you can just sit

Here and everything flows through your little pathway uh does it point to in your eyes a move towards this one world type of or is are we do we already live under that structure and we’re just unaware that that’s The Hidden Hand it it kind of has

It and so we have these calls like we’re going to be in a one world government this you know and all this and maybe it’s already already have control over things I don’t know well I think people are right to be very concerned about centralized power uh and right to be

Concerned about non-accountable power very often people who are concerned will look institutions for a clue that that’s going on you know they’ll look to the Vatican or the World Health Organization or or the World Bank and yes we should certainly scrutinize those but um you know we’re in a world where where

Corporations are more powerful than Nations and so I think some of the international power is quite invisible it’s difficult for people to identify where the power is who the elites are who are calling the shots and I should say to be fair even the elites are not

All agreed as to what should happen next you know you go to an elite banking family they don’t all think the same thing so it’s not a monolithic thing but people should be concerned about centralized power but there is I take encouragement from a story in the Bible in 1 Samuel 8

Which goes back to this period where we were absolutely overwhelmed by the power of more advanced beings who had colonized our planet Yahweh was just one of a number of Elohim powerful beings governing over humans and yet we we read uh 1 Samuel chapter 8 where the indigenous leaders

The tribal Elders come together and they say we’re going to confront Yahweh and we’re going to tell him we’re not going to work for him anymore no more beef lamb virgin girls and gold for him we’re going to have a human leader for Human Society let’s confront him and they do

That and Yahweh has to surrender the top job now I say he does slink off and start pulling strings from behind closed doors but they do get rid of him and when I first read that as as a young Evangelical Christian I couldn’t get my head around it why would you sack

Almighty God and think a human King is going to give you a better advantage on the battlefield once I realize that the Yahweh stories are stories of a being not of almighty God you begin evaluating the story differently and I came to realize that that story arc is the story

Story AR of not every Dragon narrative in the world but a whole family of dragon narratives that date from about 10,000 years ago that describe a period of social progress talk about the time when our ancestors had had enough of working for Visible nonhuman Elites and they came to

The point of saying no more we confront what can they do they can only kill us if they reach point where Terror had been overused and they said no more we’re going to go over to another system and that is what happened that is really the punchline of of the Dragon narrative

That when we can overcome fear and love each other more than we fear the higher ups then we can make social progress and that’s true whether you’re dealing with Dragons or an autocrat human government had the exact excuse me discussion with uh Tom Campbell last night on this he he

He came to the same conclusion as you that if if we have the ability to not give into the fear because it it is the fear and the terror that is used as the means of control right don’t step out of line if you simply can get enough people

To switch and start getting momentum in that feelings of love or compassion cooperation and wanting stability hoping for peace pushing for peace and all those things rather than the terror you know divisive stuff said there’s there’s pretty much nothing they can do there’s nothing what what are they going to do

If you if you given into that you’re you’re good and so it it it also reminds me of something that I always ask people who who come on the show which is after studying all this uh and getting so deep into the knowledge how much of what

You’ve taken from their teachings do you incorporate into your daily life like because there’s going to be some people who are going to be fascinated with everything that we’ve just talked about what could you give to someone for as whether they’re trying to better their lives what did the Ancients say about

That uh trying to have a peaceful life happier life manifest uh love wealth uh Etc what does that sort of is there anything from what you’ve researched that touches on how we should structure our daily lives in that sense that’s a huge question uh first of all I would

Start where where we just left off which is learning to discover the power of love and solidarity because you don’t need to Dethrone any Elites or even Dethrone autocratic government to make huge progress through solidarity because through solidarity we can create more local economies we can benefit from helping

Each other in our businesses we can help each other by creating stakeholder companies we can help each other simp by buying locally there huge things we can do with all the power still in place simply by recovering the idea of love and solidarity which is how our more recent ancestors got through

For instance the depression of the 1930s but for me one of the things that’s been really exciting out of this research is when your story of human Origins changes your understanding of human potential changes because all the narratives that I found that talk about us being genetically modified by visitors in the

Past they all talk about a time when our ancestors were smarter than we are today we were better at Future viewing we had better far sight of what we might call remote viewing we had better empathy and telepathic connection with one another we had better self-healing abilities and that all this was somehow

Dumbed down so you go to the popu which is the m story of hu Origins and there’s I love that story because it’s so Frank about the difficulties The Feathered serpents had in producing Homo sapiens clever enough to be a Workforce but not so smart we didn’t want to work for them

And we come to the moment at which repeats all around the world where we are too smart to be managed and so the further serpents hold an emergency meeting C Cal for goodness sake you’ve overshot the Mark can you Dam them down all right okay I’ll go I go I’ll find

Something so gr alod goes away and he comes up with a vapor that when sprayed over human populations brain damages us to the point where the higher cognitive abilities are impaired and we’re now limited to our F physical senses so we only know what’s happening right in front of us and for

Anything else we need an authority to tell us what’s what Bingo say the feather servants we can work with that that echoes in African story biblical story Sumerian story this dumbing down Story the Nigerians have a wonderful version of it they tell the story of Abassi and a Tha who have produced the

Human race they go on a holiday they come back and we’re now dominating the planet how are we going to manage these don’t worry I’ll come up with something uh says the wife she goes away and she saysi come up with devices that if we reduce put them into the environment

Will reduce the physical health and mental health of the human beings then we can manage them and there’s actually these are awful stories when you think about it I mean who does that glorify doesn’t glorify ancestors or the visitors but there is a positive take

Home which is that in our DNA is still all the potential for higher cognitive abilities all we need to do is make sure our environment is clean that our air is clean that our land is clean that our food and water are as clean as we can

Get them because if we do that we will find a higher cognitive abilities will start firing up again and that’s not fantasy there is a real field of scientific research among neuroscientists around the world studying a phenomenon called acquired Savant syndrome and if you know about

This world it’s an amazing topic no no no no this is crazy interesting I need to know more well this is real peer reviewed science and this is where a person may have a head injury central nervous system event stroke um may go into coma and then when they recover

They have a phenomenal ability that they didn’t have before so they may be able to speak a language they couldn’t speak play a musical instrument they couldn’t play before be a brilliant an artist in a way they never were before have phenomenal abilities in mathematics and physics but they didn’t have before and

So these neuroscientists are saying how come these abilities are in our brains in the off position I mean a brain injury should make you less smart not more what are these abilities doing their latent and if we can switch them on with an accident can we switch them on

Deliberately so our scientists are asking that question whereas our shamanic Traditions all around the planet have been answering that question for thousands of years because our Mystics and our shamanic Traditions have always been about switching those abilities back on giving us the intelligence we had before helping you

And me to have better future side Far Side empathy telepathic connection selfhealing that’s what the shamanic Traditions are all about and that’s why someone like Plato who was engaging with shamanic Traditions 2 and a half thousand years ago had his world overturned by that and devoted his life

To making human beings more intelligent and more conscious so that’s kind of the takehome for me as well from my research it’s not just about what happened in the past it’s what is possible for you and me how smart how conscious can we be and

Then how do we bring that in the way we organize as a society if we’re more conscious and more intelligent then we can find better ways to live on this I’ve been fascinated in having these discussions because so many of you guys who do this you know at such

A deep level are all coming up with this statement with this understanding of these latent abilities these latent powers that they’re it’s not it’s not okay you’re from here and I’m from here so you’ve got a special power and I don’t it’s no it’s we have it you’ve got

It it’s in the off switch there are things you can do and uh and it seems that you know the the capabilities and the powers let’s say for one are almost infinite it seems like there’s always a lad and level for you to climb and keep

Going and you can you know get you can get smarter you can you know be more intuitive and and all these things and so it’s incredibly fascinating and also because I’m curious as well given that you’re you’re studying these historical Traditions what about psychedelic drugs

Or things and being mixed in with uh the past I know there’s a lot of talk and discussion for either how psychedelics potentially could have given rise to uh furthering our intelligence or religions and connections to to the gods what is what have you found in that in that

Regard for for the past oh it’s a really interesting topic because as you say right now um paleoanthropologists are suggesting that it may have been exposure to psychedelics that help ancient up hominids advance and become pomos sapiens and they’re suggesting that a psychedelic experience which may have been accidental you know eating the

Wrong mushroom or whatever it might be or or drinking and tea That’s gone off might have given people a psychedelic experience and all of a sudden you’ve got our ancestors having imaginative experiences they’ve not had before and maybe that valve in their brain stays in the on position so they can now imagine

Things different to how they are now human curiosity can become human progress can become human technology so that’s in our mainstream science right now you go to mythology you’ll find something pretty similar when the Storyteller in Genesis 3 wants to talk about making human beings more intelligent where they eat something

Don’t they and it suddenly makes them all conscious more intelligent you go to the Sumerian story of enidu the primitive human how are we going to upgrade him so that he can become a civilization so he can live in a city and live in a specialized Society well

Sham hat this female entity introduces an to foods and fermented drinks and so suddenly his brain starts working a little differently and again this brings me back to Plato again because Plato was so confident about some of the things he said about the nature of the cosmos the

Nature of our planet the nature of paleo contact the nature of human evolution and how it had been assisted because he had had psychedelic experiences brought him information from other dimensions and he’s completely open that that’s where he got some of his information from from the elisian Mysteries he ingested something called

Kon or kukon which was a a fermented tea very similar to what people might prct to in Central and South America and then he describes the experience of contact with interdimensional beings he says this happened to Socrates but he describes it with such interiority I think he had the same

Expence himself he talks about the elisian Mysteries and then the cult of orus and the cult of HEC and they all did ceremonies like that so I think it has a role I think it has a role today in helping us I think one of the reasons

That for instance that infusion of oils that I mentioned from the Old Testament the Hebrew scriptures was illegalized in ancient Jewish Society only priests could have it I think that connects with why certain substances have been illegalized the present day initially in the states and then around the world got

Nothing to do with public health but it’s to do with keeping people uh more anxious uh than they need to be uh less United than they could be because I think we’ve been given plants for food and medicine and higher Consciousness to support our progress as a species not

Just in terms of building cities or becoming a civilization but being more conscious being more in touch and able to build a different kind of human society it’s ever more clear to most people uh if they’ve ever experienced anything within those that that Pantheon of uh natural

Um Plants and Things versus what what you get from alcohol and you just look at what’s what’s promoted what’s the result of this obviously anything any substance any whatever can be abused but even in its small forms as you can see that they’re starting to use potentially

Syoc cybin to treat uh patients who are coming in from therapy and it’s like well are we using alcohol do we use alcohol to do that do we do we come in and we say have a shot of vodka here and and over and over in a small dose or it

Doesn’t make any sense when you start looking at it why are we using this in a therapeutic way and why in this one not and why are we glorifying this one and then saying that this one’s illegal and if you just look at those two things and you start to wonder why something’s

Wrong and you should immediately feel that it’s it’s it’s wrong uh and last question I know where we’re we’re finishing up here I have a a question on so the Epic of Gilgamesh Atlantis pyramids all these stories that kind of have this mix right and you can tell s

Of a mix from the Bible I know people are unaware of the connections a lot of people let’s say are unaware of the connections between Noah and the Epic of gilgames and all the other stories that you can find in in other cultures and how they they they

Match I’m curious if you think some of the societies that we had in the past did they ever get it right was there ever a golden age I know some of the the prevailing theories are that there was a time when potentially like we kind of

Got it right we had a good balance between nature we had an understanding of our higher cognitive abilities whether this is Atlantis or any place just someplace here on Earth what do you think on that or do does the the do the text describe a time when things were we

Got it we did it and we’re happy here and this is how it should be and then Fall From Grace yes I think the idea of a golden age can be found in many um mythological Traditions around the world I think that civiliz a on planet Earth

Is far older than we ever imagined by the time you get to the 11th chapter of Genesis I actually think you’ve probably read about five planetary re civilizations we nothing about I think there was a civilization on panga that we don’t know anything about because by now it’s been ground to a

Powder uh the conventional wisdom is the civilization as we know it began 10,000 years ago and yet we can find megalithic remains of cities prior to that date that are underwater you know off the coast of Japan India so on and so forth so there’s been plenty of time for us or

Our predecessors to have gotten it right but coming back to Plato I agree with him that every so often something will happen that will create a cataclysmic condition on our planet that means we have to start again from from scratch and so we then have to try and recover the

Wisdom of the Ancients to try and get things working in the present and I think it’s often a battle against human beings looking for Ascension and a better experience and then the agendas of those who want control of human society want a manageable human society and very often there is um a

Sequestering and a of ancient narratives in order to maintain narrative control the Christian church has done this almost in every part of the planet where it’s invaded negating the indigenous wisdom that was there burning the books of the of the civilization that was there before because the Invaders are

Not interested in another Golden Age they’re looking for resources and so there’s always this battle and in Echoes of Eden I argue that the knowledge from the Golden Age never goes away it always finds a way of resurfacing it’s protected by secret societies it’s buried in the desert in forgotten text

But it will always resurface because I think we know deep in our bones we can have a better experience in this and there is almost a genetic memory of a golden age knowing that Harmony is possible knowing that love as a show social experience is possible and that

We don’t need to live in a world of separation and conflict the one in which you and I have grown up perfect words to end on uh Paul it’s been awesome we did not exhaust all of my questions which uh means that we’re going to have to do

This again uh sometime because I’ve got some more here but it’s been awesome we’ll we’ll link obviously to all of your books you guys please go check them out uh check out your your YouTube channel we’ll link to everything obviously and your your website is there

Any place specific that you want to send people to to check things out uh you can find me uh on fifth kind TV and the Paul Wallace Channel on YouTube you can come to my website which is paulanthony walls.com and if you go to Amazon you’ll find all my books from escaping from

Eden through to the Eden conspiracy awesome guys Paul thanks a lot really appreciate it oh will it’s been an absolute pleasure thank you